Petition Defense #03-09-2023 Lord Phara’Dar

[Cecily]

Petition Defense #03-09-2023 Lord Phara’Dar
Situation
When: March 9th, 2023
Where: Veeshan’s Peak
What: SS+Castle’s raid is admittedly “in a dangerous position” - the only pathway available to pull PD - and wipes when Kingdom’s PD pull goes wrong. SS+Castle then commits an unforced error by wiping on the uncontested PD attempt offered by Kingdom, so they petition.
Who: Kingdom vs SS+Castle

Order of Events:


Kingdom attempts a PD pull. SS+Castle’s raid is positioned just outside the PD lair directly in the only pull path available.
PD aggros on SS+Castle’s raid immediately once Kingdom’s puller dies.
SS raises a raid concern. Kingdom offers SS+Castle an uncontested PD attempt.
SS+Castle fail their uncontested PD attempt.
Kingdom kills PD. SS+Castle petition.

Precedent


Kingdom vs. ST - CT 12/12/2021 (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://discord.com/channels/808024000319979531/808024000982155327/928749523201830982&sa=D&source=editors&ust=1679126307122227&usg=AOvVaw2zaG7YWI5Zu_rOsylH30yp) - I suggest keeping your raid forces separate and on a wall where if something goes wrong, it doesn't get dropped near your raid.
FoW vs Kingdom - Statue 4/13/2022 (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t%3D407366&sa=D&source=editors&ust=1679126307122854&usg=AOvVaw3n84tWPgn0QLGjiDcosdzN) - Throwing out. FoW moved their raid directly in the pull spot.

Summary
In their own petition, SS+Castle admits they were knowingly “putting our raid force… in a dangerous position.” They acknowledge that dangerous position affords them no protection against “mobs pathing back hitting us, or having pullers trained, or a dozen other things that, in another zone or in another position, would be raid infractions because we knowingly chose the path of danger.” It is stunning to see SS+Castle acknowledging all the forms of protection they aren’t afforded when choosing to place their raid in a “dangerous position” while simultaneously petitioning for something that would fall under the same consideration. The logic is inconsistent, selectively applied for SS+Castle’s benefit, and is in direct conflict with the clearly established precedent from both the CT and Statue petition rulings referenced above.
Q11 is cited in their petition despite recent precedent establishing that Q11 does not apply to raids positioned on known pull paths. Speaking strictly to precedent - something went wrong [with the PD pull]; it [PD pull] got dropped near [their] raid (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://discord.com/channels/808024000319979531/808024000982155327/928749523201830982&sa=D&source=editors&ust=1679126307123966&usg=AOvVaw3e8d3BpQRhWBLVFgId6S4u). The SS+Castle raid force was not positioned where if something goes wrong, it doesn’t get dropped near their raid. (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://discord.com/channels/808024000319979531/808024000982155327/928749523201830982&sa=D&source=editors&ust=1679126307124302&usg=AOvVaw3BLT6ZUhi4ftMLgbHccXrp) Additionally, SS+Castle moved their raid directly in the pull spot (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t%3D407366&sa=D&source=editors&ust=1679126307124590&usg=AOvVaw2BrdXeU_NfGI9mVXibcevQ). (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t%3D407366&sa=D&source=editors&ust=1679126307124859&usg=AOvVaw1Kj9WVTObHkH0iTVlJzMul) Kingdom offered SS+Castle an uncontested attempt at PD as a show of good faith in hopes we could negotiate a compromise, even though they had positioned their raid directly in the pull path. SS+Castle took this offer and attempted PD uncontested on their own timeframe. Ultimately, they wiped, and Kingdom subsequently killed PD, at which time SS+Castle still decided to petition despite having accepted the uncontested attempt. This petition could end here as the precedent could not be clearer, but it will continue for the sake of thoroughness.

The inconsistency and selective application of SS+Castle’s logic is put on full display as they acknowledge in this PD petition that their raid force positioning does not afford them protection from “... mobs pathing back hitting us.” The offense alleged in their previous PD petition, however, was based on a “leashed” lava drake, i.e. a “mob pathing back”, attacking their poorly-positioned raid force. The logic SS asserts in this petition negates the grievance from their previous petition and serves as a better defense than anything we could have written for it. Again, SS appears to clearly understand the concept of dangerous positioning and its risks. However, they are selectively applying when dangerous positioning affords them protection or not between consecutive petitions on the same raid mob. The conflicting assertions between petitions make it hard to believe they are submitted in good faith.

SS compares Calcium’s commentary regarding a failure to control displaced mobs dropped in NToV Aary pit in the process of splitting mobs for Lord Koi - a dragon nowhere near the Aary pit - with displacing mobs near raids positioned directly in VP pull paths. While the difference is obvious, SS nonetheless attempts to muddy the issue at hand by drawing a bad faith, intentionally misleading comparison. SS does, in fact, seem to understand how VP works:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jxo8a_0sNIzT9ilqcFsSWJEzv1TEcrd245FAZqtBvXYqALFrRV YJ5qdemsXT2cNbAizXml8ms1JBlMMlKFp-76ItALKgrMi_t66WbPwFQU2qCgTOw3RJ5GMJGVbo1iSmCJ85BD 3helAdnim9PTlBKgo
If every guild in VP tried to execute competing trainups to position their forces like SS does, it would be a recipe for constant training, excessive finger-pointing, and a massive increase in VP raid concerns. The increase in VP raid concerns is already abundantly clear from just one raid force choosing to operate in this way. SS would see that increase multiplied by every VP guild across both servers. VP rules are intentionally designed to avoid this scenario. Simply put, when SS is not in VP, there are no raid concerns, there are no petitions. This can be confirmed by a review of the Green UN. SS is the only party that has alleged either a raid concern or drafted a petition around another guild’s standard VP conduct. When SS is in VP, the zone becomes infinitely more challenging to navigate. When SS is not in VP, there is a complete lack of raid concerns and petitions. The common denominator in the equation of VP raid friction is SS, and both Green and Blue servers should not be forced to change their approach to VP due to one guild’s stubborn refusal to learn the strategies employed by every other VP guild.

[Cecily]

Like I get that it's ok to train people if they're in your way and would otherwise inconvenience you, only that's not allowed and Kingdom is very lucky they have nerds like yourself writing up this unreadable bullshit to obfuscate the fact your guild fucking sucks in VP and couldn't expect more than half your force to survive the run up to spawn, which is why you train us.

[Cecily]

Furthermore, let it be known that Phara Dar is in fact a lady dragon. I imagine your guild doesn't get enough kills to know that Lord Phara Dar is not her name. Please stop misgendering Safe Space's dragons.



Thank you.

[baakss]

I have decided to toss this petition because it's boring.

[Sirbanmelotz]

Im not reading all that

[Arvan]

Nerd alert

[Ekco]

imagine fucking up a PD pull in 2023. god damn fam

[Cecily]

Im not reading all that

That's kinda my point. These narcissistic assholes from <Kingdom> will train you and then roleplay lawyers who write a novel why it was your fault they had to train you, which in turn gets taken seriously by people who roleplay judges. It's a power trip fantasy for everyone involved.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Elf must flow.

[Patrece]

Just remember who is a distant second rate or lower guild for the next box

Don't get stuck on the pity pixel train, you know how it is

[Valakut]

Aftermath and Rustle shit bag posting in RNF as if the server ever gave a frenchmans fuck about the scumbags Detoxx and Getsome gas lit into slave labor

[Ghost of Starman]

After not raiding for a few years these petitions feel even more like the sad unhinged ramblings of madmen who have lifelong grudges against the local theatre for being shorted a few pieces of popcorn once in 2004.

[magnetaress]

apperaently colledge teaches ppl to format their shenanigains

way to go u have ascended

[Cecily]

Aftermath and Rustle shit bag posting in RNF as if the server ever gave a frenchmans fuck about the scumbags Detoxx and Getsome gas lit into slave labor
I'm glad you remember who I am. Who are you?

[mycoolrausch]

VP is very overvalued by p99ers.

Which is good.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Aftermath and Rustle shit bag posting in RNF as if the server ever gave a frenchmans fuck about the scumbags Detoxx and Getsome gas lit into slave labor


That's how you do proper guild tho. You got your Players X and Y, who gas light an endless chain of people to pixel hunt to the extreme, then you got your player Z, who gas lights the gas lighters and gets King pixels b/c you have them convinced it *is* possible you're their dad they never met. A lot of raid leaders just want to be told, "I'm proud of you, Son." It's a cynical approach, but it works.


So how do you know Cecily isn't one of the top flight operators? She has the first part down solid. Utterly convincing as a hapless patsy.


Navigate the guild. Elf must flow.
https://i.imgur.com/QVqpHel.jpg

[Lewkeng]

the problem begins with even allowing this nonsense lawyering to even happen... the pnp is plenty enough to control the game on it own.

[Cecily]

That's what I'm trying to highlight here. How absurd that petition is and that this circus is allowed to continue. What I'm NOT trying to do is critically think about how Shinko might be using me and my addiction to a shitting dead MMORPG to further his own personal interests.

[pink grapefruit]

Ily Cecily but this is honestly some very sad bluebie shit. Just get your guild to move over to red and then you’ll be able to murder the bad people instead of whatever this is. You’d get more dragons to kill too!

One time I snared a bard that was AE dot kiting and it made me laugh out loud 😂

[Xersius]

Perhaps if you focused more on actual raid strategies - the ones proven by years of P99 gaming - as hard as Shinko plays the victim, you'd have success.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

That's what I'm trying to highlight here. How absurd that petition is and that this circus is allowed to continue. What I'm NOT trying to do is critically think about how Shinko might be using me and my addiction to a shitting dead MMORPG to further his own personal interests.


Classic Cecily.

https://i.imgur.com/wrv3LGd.jpg

[Cecily]

Perhaps if you focused more on actual raid strategies - the ones proven by years of P99 gaming - as hard as Shinko plays the victim, you'd have success.

We raid VP better than you do with far fewer people. Dropping mobs on opposing forces doesn't count as actual raid strategies. You're responsible for your trains doesn't stop applying because your guild isn't good enough modify your own approach.

[Ekco]

imagine still giving a fuck, just imagine it.

hope this helps.

[wuanahto]

if you guys dont get your shit together and start making rotations we wont get a new server

[Trexller]

if you guys dont get your shit together and start making rotations we wont get a new server

anyone with social skills sufficient to cooperate moved to takp years ago.

where they have actually have a functional rotation which is respected by all and requires ZERO staff intervention.

sometimes they do this fuckin awesome thing where one AoW is left up so that the next raid gets to kill AoW twice when idol respawns, because a reset is coming.

TAKP is reset every other week like clockwork.

P99 has alot to learn from that server.

[loramin]

anyone with social skills sufficient to cooperate moved to takp years ago.

where they have actually have a functional rotation which is respected by all and requires ZERO staff intervention.

sometimes they do this fuckin awesome thing where one AoW is left up so that the next raid gets to kill AoW twice when idol respawns, because a reset is coming.

TAKP is reset every other week like clockwork.

P99 has alot to learn from that server.

If TakP could learn the value of single boxing, I'd imagine P99's population would plummet overnight.

But ... they never will :(

[pink grapefruit]

-06ki92PyVY

[aussenseiter]

If TakP could learn the value of single boxing, I'd imagine P99's population would plummet overnight.

But ... they never will :(

You'll get your wish fulfilled by multiple shitter servers when it goes open source and none will be as good.

[loramin]

You'll get your wish fulfilled by multiple shitter servers when it goes open source and none will be as good.

No I won't, because single boxing isn't a code thing. If it was, any idiot who knew how could throw up an (open source) EQ Emulator server and require single boxing.

But again, it's not technical, it's a people thing. You need a good manager (like Rogean) who can organize other volunteer GMs, and those volunteer GMs need to run around ban hammering the 2-boxers.

That's the only way to get an amazing single-box server like P99.

[aussenseiter]

No I won't, because single boxing isn't a code thing.

?

[aussenseiter]

There's code on TAKP that prevents you from boxing more than 3.

I hope they don't drug test you.

[Trexller]

There's code on TAKP that prevents you from boxing more than 3.

I hope they don't drug test you.

yeah there definitely isn't anything other than IP blocking, you can totally hotspot or vpn 4-5-6 bots, i've seen it done many times, but never saw them again after my reports.

its the same people that are blatantly running scripts and claiming their gf is playing the other 3 toons

i'll never understand why people go to all the trouble of breaking boxing rules on p99 or anywhere when they are gonna get banned eventually, why waste all that time? It can't be a challenge like hacking where you get to test your skills against other software devs, you just log in boxes on multiple connections and run MQ2, no skills no challenge, you just play until you get caught and banned, so stupid.

I really love this thing TAKP devs are rumored to do, which is to allow the rule breaker to play until they actually get stuff done, max level, dozens of AAs, good gear etc, THEN they ban the player.

[aussenseiter]

yeah there definitely isn't anything other than IP blocking, you can totally hotspot or vpn 4-5-6 bots, i've seen it done many times, but never saw them again after my reports.

its the same people that are blatantly running scripts and claiming their gf is playing the other 3 toons

i'll never understand why people go to all the trouble of breaking boxing rules on p99 or anywhere when they are gonna get banned eventually, why waste all that time? It can't be a challenge like hacking where you get to test your skills against other software devs, you just log in boxes on multiple connections and run MQ2, no skills no challenge, you just play until you get caught and banned, so stupid.

I really love this thing TAKP devs are rumored to do, which is to allow the rule breaker to play until they actually get stuff done, max level, dozens of AAs, good gear etc, THEN they ban the player.

IP exemptions are a big problem in both communities. They're clearly being abused, P99 raid rules just make it more profitable to do.

Remanded and order to review with strict scrutiny. Raiders do not have wives, at least I hope they don't. :(

[Trexller]

IP exemptions are a big problem in both communities. They're clearly being abused, P99 raid rules just make it more profitable to do.

Remanded and order to review with strict scrutiny. Raiders do not have wives, at least I hope they don't. :(

yeah offering IP exemptions might be a mistake to begin with, when other connection options are so widely available.

i feel like the abusers are going to be emboldened by the idea of IP exemption, and folks playing on the same connection are so crazy rare when compared to the rest of the player base, those few people who live with other p99 players definitely understand hotspots and VPNs

you'd think they solved this issue with that data mining file p99 requires, but given that the problem still exists, its more proof that p99 is collecting data for other purposes

they are most likely giving our player data to darkpaw so they can figure out what EQ players like and keep their krono cash rolling.

[Gustoo]

I love these Red99 recruitment threads

[Rader]

One time I snared a bard that was AE dot kiting and it made me laugh out loud 😂

LOL! Red 1, Blue 0.

[Trexller]

I love these Red99 recruitment threads

whats red99?

sounds like a brand of chewing tobacco

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

If TakP could learn the value of single boxing, I'd imagine P99's population would plummet overnight.

But ... they never will :(


Nope. Some people don't get it. They want a game, not an online world. I understand. But, I never last long in boxed environments.



Kills my immersion.I need that immersion, baby.

[spiritsofrock]

You lost me at the first 5 words Jesus

[OuterChimp]

This shit is instanced on Teal. Git gud u skrubs.

[Bardp1999]

Immersion

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://i.imgur.com/fqQ5bLI.jpg

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You might as well hang me upside down and rake me with bladed thulian claws.

https://i.imgur.com/fqQ5bLI.jpg

[Toxigen]

elf court is now in session

[Kohedron]

what absolute dork is gonna read all that?

Oh OP is an e-girl I guess, so probably everyone

[Toxigen]

something something if you're sitting on the tracks dont be surprised when the train rolls over you something something cheeto dust

[OuterChimp]

You might as well hang me upside down and rake me with bladed thulian claws.

https://i.imgur.com/fqQ5bLI.jpg

Please ban for /box'ing and /RMT'ing.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

what absolute dork is gonna read all that?

Oh OP is an e-girl I guess, so probably everyone


Feed the incel. Feel its power. Give in to the pureblood within! Tear down the walls!



TRAD WIFE COME!



https://i.imgur.com/hGS9FQ1.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

elf court is now in session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWwo8Z1EwUw

[Toxigen]

do we have a ruling on this egregious act?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It's the only reason I'm online.


Cecily? Justice? Yes? No?

[Hasbinbad]

hi cecily <3

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Is there something that has happened? When was Cecily last online? I got this thread on "watch." Getting worried. The level of bullshit was clearly uncalled for, and, let's face it, that was a petition. Shit gets real, real fast, once you hit "enter."

..shudder..
https://i.imgur.com/RmC3sqF.jpg

[Cecily]

I appreciate and respect the level of crazy you bring here.

[Cecily]

hi cecily <3
Hi HBB! Greetings from Thurgadin! Today was my ring war.


https://i.imgur.com/dozq8Hu.png

[Hasbinbad]

Hi HBB! Greetings from Thurgadin! Today was my ring war.


https://i.imgur.com/dozq8Hu.png

Did you pwn the pixels?

[Cecily]

I feel like I gave wave 1 a really good shot. Here's a photo Velious Test Server 8 years ago. I got the robe I wanted and Cec is a dark elf now, so Yeah, Yeah I think I did.



https://i.imgur.com/9pNOhgs.png

[Bagavan]

What happened with the Ring War anyway? Heard Safe Space failed?

[magnetaress]

you guys don't need to box on TLP to experience any of the velious content u guys are upset about

[Cecily]

What happened with the Ring War anyway? Heard Safe Space failed?
Safe Space most certainly failed.

[Teako]

I for one am incredibly surprised Cecily is still alive.

Reminder: I will gkick Cecily out of your guild as a service to your members for free. I'm on like guild #5 of kicking Cecily out. Feel free to PM me to inquire about this service.

[Cecily]

I don't think that's true at all, but it was interesting that Slydexx said the same thing. Be really interesting if you're him. That's really kinda mean. WTF?

[DeliciousHalflings]

This entire thread is why people don't want to play here with you childish assholes. I will pay strippers to wash Rogean's car if when Green 2.0 happens there's a fucking GM enforced scheduled raid calender, like the servers where critical thinking superseded...whatever the fuck you people did that makes you act like raving chimpanzees fighting over half a mango.

Do earthquakes. Spawn shit on variable windows. But for fuck's sake...just enforce a set order with a '3 wipes and you're out' rule.

[bradsamma]

WTF. How hard is it to do a factioned low hp trainup for you guys?

Also, the only safe spot in all of VP is the pad. If you don't have a FTE, that's where you should be.

[FatMice]

Oh. We need more Slydexx.

[Tethler]

Order of Events:

[LIST]
Kingdom attempts a PD pull. SS+Castle’s raid is positioned just outside the PD lair directly in the only pull path available.


/thread