This Project is DEAD

[DeliciousHalflings]

Clearly, Rogean, Nilbog, and whoever else is still left running things have milked all the donation money they can out of the Project, and have abandoned it. Lack of any sort of communication from anyone despite a community seething for what they initially promised is kinda bullshit & indicative of how much they still care about p99...ie they don't anymore.

I get it, life comes up, but holy shit grow some balls, be adults, and let people know what's going on so they know whether or not they should continue waiting for what they really want to play, or get invested in something else if Green2.0 isn't happening.

[Skarne]

newsflash, they dont owe you anything.

[TercerRigo]

Clearly, Rogean, Nilbog, and whoever else is still left running things have milked all the donation money they can out of the Project, and have abandoned it. Lack of any sort of communication from anyone despite a community seething for what they initially promised is kinda bullshit & indicative of how much they still care about p99...ie they don't anymore.

I get it, life comes up, but holy shit grow some balls, be adults, and let people know what's going on so they know whether or not they should continue waiting for what they really want to play, or get invested in something else if Green2.0 isn't happening.

petulant child.

[DeliciousHalflings]

newsflash, they dont owe you anything.

Ehh, big hard false there, bucko. By accepting donations FOR p99, they're kinda obligated to maintain some sort of line of communication, especially if donations are specifically noted 'to get Green 2.0 going sooner'. Don't even try to argue about it. People more prominent than p99 staff have been sued for similar.

IF something happened that would delay or prevent Green2.0 from being released, while it would suck and we'd just have to deal with it, they still have to let donors know 'hey things are behind/not happening'.

It's funny that you're such a fucking simp for the devs you'll defend them against someone saying 'literally take the 60 seconds to post 'Green2.0 is/isn't still happening.' Gotta be missing an entire quadrant of your brain to think you're remotely right with that snarky bullshit comment.

[DeliciousHalflings]

petulant child.

Fucking ruhtard.

[Skarne]

Ehh, big hard false there, bucko. By accepting donations FOR p99, they're kinda obligated to maintain some sort of line of communication, especially if donations are specifically noted 'to get Green 2.0 going sooner'. Don't even try to argue about it. People more prominent than p99 staff have been sued for similar.

IF something happened that would delay or prevent Green2.0 from being released, while it would suck and we'd just have to deal with it, they still have to let donors know 'hey things are behind/not happening'.

It's funny that you're such a fucking simp for the devs you'll defend them against someone saying 'literally take the 60 seconds to post 'Green2.0 is/isn't still happening.' Gotta be missing an entire quadrant of your brain to think you're remotely right with that snarky bullshit comment.

nah they don't owe u shit but i am sorry youre so upset.

[TercerRigo]

Fucking ruhtard.

Is it bad that you misspelled that?

[Fammaden]

Green 2.0 is happening very soon.

[Infectious]

Ehh, big hard false there, bucko. By accepting donations FOR p99, they're kinda obligated to maintain some sort of line of communication, especially if donations are specifically noted 'to get Green 2.0 going sooner'. Don't even try to argue about it. People more prominent than p99 staff have been sued for similar.

IF something happened that would delay or prevent Green2.0 from being released, while it would suck and we'd just have to deal with it, they still have to let donors know 'hey things are behind/not happening'.

It's funny that you're such a fucking simp for the devs you'll defend them against someone saying 'literally take the 60 seconds to post 'Green2.0 is/isn't still happening.' Gotta be missing an entire quadrant of your brain to think you're remotely right with that snarky bullshit comment.

It's just a video game, calm down lol

[Bockscar]

I mean, to an extent, OP isn't completely wrong: it definitely feels like staff has left the project to its own devices. By all rights, there should have been a green 2.0 now, at the very least. Instead there's just total radio silence and a community left wondering what's going on. Nobody here is owed anything, but it definitely doesn't feel like a project that is well looked-after by attentive, interested staff. Nobody can say it is. That would be an absolute lie.

[Woodark]

I think there is probably way more work involved to keep this project running than any of us understand.

I’m obviously bummed there hasn’t been communication about green 2.0, but I’m trying to behave so they don’t torture me at the manastone camp.

[Bockscar]

Eh. They could launch Green 2.0 at a minute's notice. It's a matter of configuring a new port and database, and clicking the launch button. It's not as if there's some massive workload involved in simply launching a carbon copy of an already-existing server. Having run numerous MUDs myself - which, in most respects, are the same as P99 - it takes essentially no work if the game's code is already there. Someone could decide right now to launch Green 2.0 and have it up and running as soon as the datacenter has received the request for an additional route of traffic, which should take no more than thirty minutes if they used a data center in the western world.

[PatChapp]

Where does it say anything about donations getting 2.0 running?
The donation page says it's for bandwidth and server upgrades,nothing about a new server at all.

[Hailto]

Posting in an attention seeking thread.

[Bockscar]

Posting in an attention seeking thread.

Seeking attention?

[sajbert]

OP is being a dickhead.

That said it would be nice if they'd clue us in at least a bit. Something like, "there won't be a new server for at least another 6 months."

[pink grapefruit]

This is truly disgusting behavior OP.

[Fammaden]

Nilbog communicates with the community frequently, just not here in the general bullshit forum sections which are filled with low effort trolls and drooling PvP morons.

[babyg]

My favorite thing about this post is that the OP couldn't even wait til' the end of the day to be disappointed. Talk about surprise release anxiety...

Also if they do release 2.0, I'm in the camp that it should be a 100% ninja release. It'll greatly help with regulating all the poop sockers out there that will flood the fucking thing if they have an exact date/time.

24 years folks. Think of all the actually interesting stuff you could have been doing all that time.

[Trexller]

Nilbog posted 2 weeks ago

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3581685&postcount=2

the devs and mods do watch this place, there are rules they have to enforce because the word, "EverQuest" appears on this website and they are using the IP associated with it.

they just don't talk to any of us because they learned better than that years ago.

They know that regardless of what they do, they won't make everyone happy and the pissed off voices will be the loudest and most obnoxious.

[Infectious]

Nilbog posted 2 weeks ago

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3581685&postcount=2

the devs and mods do watch this place, there are rules they have to enforce because the word, "EverQuest" appears on this website and they are using the IP associated with it.

they just don't talk to any of us because they learned better than that years ago.

They know that regardless of what they do, they won't make everyone happy and the pissed off voices will be the loudest and most obnoxious.

True story... Nilbog voice sounds like Liam Nielsen from Taken.

[branamil]

They're clearly don't give a shit anymore and update way less than the TAKP project despite it having way less users. They push like 1 update a year and its full of bugs. At the very least they should open source it and let people submit fixes , even if they want to have control over implementing it, or in case they abandon the project entirely (which seems pretty likely)

[Trexller]

True story... Nilbog voice sounds like Liam Neeson from Taken.

hmm well, he does have are a very particular set of skills. Skills he has acquired over a very long career. Skills that could be a nightmare for people like us.

[Woodark]

Eh. They could launch Green 2.0 at a minute's notice. It's a matter of configuring a new port and database, and clicking the launch button. It's not as if there's some massive workload involved in simply launching a carbon copy of an already-existing server. Having run numerous MUDs myself - which, in most respects, are the same as P99 - it takes essentially no work if the game's code is already there. Someone could decide right now to launch Green 2.0 and have it up and running as soon as the datacenter has received the request for an additional route of traffic, which should take no more than thirty minutes if they used a data center in the western world.

If that’s all they did to support this project, I don’t think any of us would be here.

[DeliciousHalflings]

Is it bad that you misspelled that?

Intentional.

[DeliciousHalflings]

This is truly disgusting behavior OP.

Not as disgusting as what you see in the mirror every day, you pvp piece of shit.

[DeliciousHalflings]

nah they don't owe u shit but i am sorry youre so upset.

Maybe you aren't smart enough to read the big words...

If they accept a donation with express purpose of 'new server hardware' and there is NO communication or visible implementation that the money was used for new server hardware, any MA judge (where Rogean lives) would certainly take that case.

[pink grapefruit]

Not as disgusting as what you see in the mirror every day, you pvp piece of shit.

lmao

i know pvp bad for your skin but i just can't seem to help myself :(

pked a poor innocent gnome just this morning, and my bloodlust still isn't satiated!! :(

[DeliciousHalflings]

No Gnome is innocent. Ever. That there's the Lord's work.

[Gloomlord]

To be fair, if you feel the community isn't owed even the mere mention of when Green 2.0 drops, you don't really have the moral high ground here.

[Berb]

Set your expectations at the cost of admission. It's free. Think about all the money you've saved having this for no cost. Now go login to one of the three servers and play for free, and when you're done walk out into the real world that exists outside of this game. Hope that helps.

[Gloomlord]

"It's free, guys! Don't inquire about something like a server reset. If you do, you're evil and a neckbeard!"

Yeah, no. Cease this self-righteousness. All we ask for is a little common courtesy.

[Berb]

I don't think you're evil, or a neckbeard. Chin up fella <3

[Gloomlord]

But you did imply ungratefulness and unhealthiness for people getting a little tired of the radio silence, right?

I'm not sure how I'm either of those things for wanting to know when the server resets.

[Berb]

Dang, I just shared my method for living happily with no new server news. I didn't mean any offense to ya. Certainly didn't mean to accuse anyone of being ungrateful. Unhealthy? Maybe, that's not really something I can assess here. I thought maybe sharing my lens could help someone else who is struggling.

I think "It's free, guys!" is a good characterization of what I said, but the stuff after seems like maybe you are thinking about something someone else said. I'm really happy that it's free, that's no lie. I don't think I'd still be playing if it wasn't.

[Gloomlord]

Quite a few people have been waiting for this to happen. People talk on the server about it all the time. As someone else said in this thread: we have no idea what's going on.

I'm not going to complain if it never happens. Just tell us, so we get an understanding.

[Valakut]

Clearly, Rogean, Nilbog, and whoever else is still left running things have milked all the donation money they can out of the Project, and have abandoned it. Lack of any sort of communication from anyone despite a community seething for what they initially promised is kinda bullshit & indicative of how much they still care about p99...ie they don't anymore.

I get it, life comes up, but holy shit grow some balls, be adults, and let people know what's going on so they know whether or not they should continue waiting for what they really want to play, or get invested in something else if Green2.0 isn't happening.

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[Fammaden]

Its entirely possible that announcing in advance is a bigger pain in the ass then just keeping it secret. First green was a lot of hype, a massive shitshow at launch in some ways, and probably any merger would be a honeypot of RMT. Might be easier to deal with all those things if they keep the release date hidden.

[RobotGraveyard]

Ehh, big hard false there, bucko. By accepting donations FOR p99, they're kinda obligated to maintain some sort of line of communication, especially if donations are specifically noted 'to get Green 2.0 going sooner'. Don't even try to argue about it. People more prominent than p99 staff have been sued for similar.

IF something happened that would delay or prevent Green2.0 from being released, while it would suck and we'd just have to deal with it, they still have to let donors know 'hey things are behind/not happening'.

It's funny that you're such a fucking simp for the devs you'll defend them against someone saying 'literally take the 60 seconds to post 'Green2.0 is/isn't still happening.' Gotta be missing an entire quadrant of your brain to think you're remotely right with that snarky bullshit comment.

Hahahaha you probably donate to Trump and say "Build wall please"

[Woodark]

They never committed to a release date of yesterday, so that’s on the community for inappropriately building hype.

An eta for the new server would be sweet, but if that’s not possible then Rogean should at least respond to the other thread about the secret cat room.

[Bockscar]

I think it's fair to say that there's insufficient communication from staff when the playerbase has no idea whether the release date of the promised new server is "tomorrow" or "literally never." It would be enough for Rogean to announce that it's being worked on and coming in the future. To say nothing whatsoever for such a long time suggests he isn't even paying attention to the project anymore; and given the fact that he has apparently taken donations for the new server, that's not okay. If he doesn't want to be involved anymore, he should let someone else take over.

[Fammaden]

Absurd take. Seek salvation in the temple of life.

[Snaggles]

The fact that we have /rewind and can petition for reimbursements makes this game much more supportive than live.

Hell, you can delete your char or let a corpse rot and they will UPS it to you in West Commons.

[Gustoo]

Green is barely at the end of its timeline, there’s no expectation of a new blue for who knows how long. We’re basically just at the earliest possible date. People that have worked hard to be at the top of the green are not eager to do the work again right away.

Sorry you feel like you missed out OP but staff has taken great care of the non PvP community here. Look at the stability of this high population emulator. It’s like one of a kind. Don’t be silly.

More announcements and more non specifically worded updates would be nice to have so we know what’s coming down the pipe. These things used to happen more often but staff has been flamed by maniacs like you on numerous occasions so they’ve left us to wonder about the future on our own. It’s just not worth being flamed about.

[Fammaden]

Was the point of green for people to be "at the top"?

[pink grapefruit]

When did velious release on red server? 2014?

We’ve been waiting the better part of a decade for our new server, and are still holding out hope. I’m sincerely surprised at the bluebie entitlement here, especially after the embarrassing display from OP.

Just chill out. The way nilbog has been updating things in the patch notes for previous eras of the game, we know the plan is to release another server starting from the beginning of the timeline. And while I think the next server should be a pvp server, staff has shown that they care about the bluebie community and it’s very likely you’ll get green 2.0 long before red 2.0 releases.

[Infectious]

I think it's fair to say that there's insufficient communication from staff when the playerbase has no idea whether the release date of the promised new server is "tomorrow" or "literally never." It would be enough for Rogean to announce that it's being worked on and coming in the future. To say nothing whatsoever for such a long time suggests he isn't even paying attention to the project anymore; and given the fact that he has apparently taken donations for the new server, that's not okay. If he doesn't want to be involved anymore, he should let someone else take over.

How about no? The guy doesn't have time to update you everyday about timelines. You don't like it? Make your own server, run it for 20 years and stay up on them daily updates.

[Skarne]

Again, newsflash, staff doesn’t owe any of us anything.

We owe them THANX!

Praise be McQuaid

[Fammaden]

staff has shown that they care about the bluebie community and it’s very likely you’ll get green 2.0 long before red 2.0 releases.

Amen. Thank you staff and devs for being intelligent enough to prioritize PvE only, the REAL way to play Everquest.

[galaxgal]

If a project is closed-source and accepts donations it's not unreasonable to expect communication of upcoming plans or changes. Just because something isn't legally enforced, doesn't mean it isn't basic software development social etiquette.

[Gustoo]

Was the point of green for people to be "at the top"?

No not at all, I'm 100% anti being level 60 in this game, because I play it for fun. Killing a dragon sometimes is fun but to rush to get to the point where all you kill is dragons is not my idea of fun.

However, Green is not an old server by any means and there are a lot of people still progressing and those that are raiders are currently doing so and competing for dragons vigorously. The server isn't stagnant or dead. Sure it isn't brand new, but it isn't total pixel rot status.

A new red server (sorry OP) is legitimately called for at this time. It will enjoy vigorous population for a time and then dwindle. It is my hope that with a different ruleset it can maintain a greater terminal population than the first red server which has a custom ruleset that has proved to overlook some areas.

A new blue server is a no brainer, but both the existing blue servers are going strong right now, it makes sense to let them be.

Now, more important than anything to me (even more important than PVP) is a different implementation of "legacy" items and possibly time locked level caps that prevent the drag-race gen Z style of play that makes a new server go stale so fast. I would like to remove the incentive to blast through all levels immediately and to get to manastone camp. It's just a shitty but still no-brainer way to play the game when those mechanics are in place.

So many people talk about how lame it is to walk around Gfay and Butcher and Karanas on a 1000 person server and see like 4 people total. Controlling level progression somewhat might be a worthwhile experiment.

If you hit the level 10 cap you can then go farm wisps for money and start doing your tradeskills and stuff which will make the progression from 10-20 better for you, allowing you to hit the cap again and progress further in trade skills and getting level appropriate gear rather than blasting past low level stuff and not experiencing that content.

Being the first person to get a Dwarven Ringmail tunic when the level cap is 10 and its a 300 person raid on crushbone would be a more meaningful accomplishment than the first person to get a rubicite BP at level 50.

[Ooloo]

If devs wanted to spring green 2.0 as a surprise\to partially mitigate the hell orgy launch day would likely be, they would necessarily have to remain silent about it. Which, itself, *would* be a gesture of care for the project.

[Fammaden]

Cool fan fiction Gustoo, never give up on your feverish opium dreams.

[magnetaress]

Catering to esports players. Raiders. Server firsters. Tubers. And pizza economists.

Good way to sink a vanilla museum server with non classic nerfs. And dumb non classic shit and rules lawyers and lists.

[Lampolo]

Pretty sure the majority want new green and it's not even close. Why are so many worried about cock blocking that? I guess we all have to wait for everyone to get BIS on green? Or maybe dedicate that new server to the 8 ppl that want red?

[Gustoo]

I don’t think anyone is cock blocking new green. Everyone is excited for the next fresh start. I’m just saying there’s no reason to start attacking the staff from the blue perspective. Red guys I understand that they’re over waiting and mad sad.

Blue guys like, green isn’t even old

[Gustoo]

Cool fan fiction Gustoo, never give up on your feverish opium dreams.

I won’t bro. Dreaming of the best 2023 version of EQ

[Fammaden]

Pretty sure the majority want new green and it's not even close. Why are so many worried about cock blocking that? I guess we all have to wait for everyone to get BIS on green? Or maybe dedicate that new server to the 8 ppl that want red?

"But my guildie finally has the most monk DKP, if you end green how much longer will he have to wait for an Abashi????"

[DeliciousHalflings]

No not at all, I'm 100% anti being level 60 in this game, because I play it for fun. Killing a dragon sometimes is fun but to rush to get to the point where all you kill is dragons is not my idea of fun.

However, Green is not an old server by any means and there are a lot of people still progressing and those that are raiders are currently doing so and competing for dragons vigorously. The server isn't stagnant or dead. Sure it isn't brand new, but it isn't total pixel rot status.

A new red server (sorry OP) is legitimately called for at this time. It will enjoy vigorous population for a time and then dwindle. It is my hope that with a different ruleset it can maintain a greater terminal population than the first red server which has a custom ruleset that has proved to overlook some areas.

A new blue server is a no brainer, but both the existing blue servers are going strong right now, it makes sense to let them be.

Now, more important than anything to me (even more important than PVP) is a different implementation of "legacy" items and possibly time locked level caps that prevent the drag-race gen Z style of play that makes a new server go stale so fast. I would like to remove the incentive to blast through all levels immediately and to get to manastone camp. It's just a shitty but still no-brainer way to play the game when those mechanics are in place.

So many people talk about how lame it is to walk around Gfay and Butcher and Karanas on a 1000 person server and see like 4 people total. Controlling level progression somewhat might be a worthwhile experiment.

If you hit the level 10 cap you can then go farm wisps for money and start doing your tradeskills and stuff which will make the progression from 10-20 better for you, allowing you to hit the cap again and progress further in trade skills and getting level appropriate gear rather than blasting past low level stuff and not experiencing that content.

Being the first person to get a Dwarven Ringmail tunic when the level cap is 10 and its a 300 person raid on crushbone would be a more meaningful accomplishment than the first person to get a rubicite BP at level 50.

Nah, the last thing needed is more PvP. The ENTIRE PURPOSE of p99 was to reset the server on the actual EQ timeline over and over ad infinitum, merging into Blue on each reset. Green has ran through the EQ timeline. Time to merge + restart, as intended.

[Tormmac]

Nah, the last thing needed is more PvP. The ENTIRE PURPOSE of p99 was to reset the server on the actual EQ timeline over and over ad infinitum, merging into Blue on each reset. Green has ran through the EQ timeline. Time to merge + restart, as intended.

its so much better with pvp, if u guys only knew tbh like classic wow if you remove the open world pvp you remove 40% of the game

so many spells and classes find new utility with that added context of pvp, meanwhile NONE of the PVE mechanics are changed or removed

its simply less game

[Fammaden]

The only reason anyone likes EQ PvP is for griefing. These need-new-red spammers will deny that til they're blue in the face and make up a million false justifications for why a PvP server is somehow "better".

But the real reason they like it is they want a built in mechanic for pissing off other players and starting drama in ooc with the lowest effort possible. That's it, that's the only reason they want a restart so bad. For fresh victims. They know it will end up dead again in three months and would waste all of the dev and staff's time and they don't give a fuck.

In reality, the real most effective and most sustainable form of griefing other players is by taking all of a bluebie's raid loots. Seal Team owned everyone harder than any red player could ever dream of, but that requires organization, interpersonal skills, intelligence, and patience.....qualities every red player severely lacks.

So instead they take the lowest common denominator approach and just spam the forums with "can I has killz other player pls rogon, lolz". Idiots.

[pink grapefruit]

Anyone who thinks I’m a griefer clearly does not know me. PvP adds social depth to the EQ experience.

[Old_PVP]

The only reason anyone likes EQ PvP is for griefing. These need-new-red spammers will deny that til they're blue in the face and make up a million false justifications for why a PvP server is somehow "better".

But the real reason they like it is they want a built in mechanic for pissing off other players and starting drama in ooc with the lowest effort possible. That's it, that's the only reason they want a restart so bad. For fresh victims. They know it will end up dead again in three months and would waste all of the dev and staff's time and they don't give a fuck.

In reality, the real most effective and most sustainable form of griefing other players is by taking all of a bluebie's raid loots. Seal Team owned everyone harder than any red player could ever dream of, but that requires organization, interpersonal skills, intelligence, and patience.....qualities every red player severely lacks.

So instead they take the lowest common denominator approach and just spam the forums with "can I has killz other player pls rogon, lolz". Idiots.

You clearly don't know shit and probably never fought another player in your life. I'd say the VAST majority of Red players are not griefers. The vast majority of Rallos Zek players back in the day were not griefers and same holds true for Sullon Zek. Most people like PVP servers because they simply like to keep their options open. Fighting against non-AI monsters that may actually think for themselves and outwit you is also a big appeal to people that enjoy that extra challenge. All of a sudden, a significant amount of gear built into the game becomes relevant and useful. Different strategies become viable, certain clickies become more valuable. Whoever thought "PVP was just an afterthought" clearly never paid attention to much of the itemization in the game where you have certain gear that was obviously made for PVP.

Healthy PVP servers create their own content. Not only do they have the same exact npc targets as bluebie servers, but they also have guild wars and PVP to contend with on a daily basis, thus ensuring endless content. The same can't be said for bluebie servers.

Let me give you some examples:

Some dude is occupying a high value camp before "lists" were a thing. Let's say Manastone camp for arguments sake. Something that will eventually be gone forever. This dude will apparently be camping this thing forever as well cause he never leaves and passes off the camp to his fellow guild members or better yet the character is just played in shifts by different people. When asked to share the camp, he just laughs or does 100 other things to piss you off or ignores you entirely. Now, what is your solution to this classic poopsocker situation? On PVP at least you have the option to kill this mofo.

This scenario could be repeated 100 times in various ways. Some dude is an asshole but not breaking any rules, what is your recourse on blue? NOTHING! You sit there and take it like the little bluebie you are. Red players like having the option to put these assholes in their place.

Two guilds line up at the "start line"... LOL. For a raid target, certain idiotic rules are in place determining what spells/abilities can be used to obtain "FTE" because lets just take all strategic thought process out of the equation. Any presumed rule breaking will be reported with immediate effect. Don't sit there and honestly tell me that you've found yourself in this ridiculous raid situation and haven't thought: "it would be nice to just kill all these fuckers". Well, Red players do exactly that.

Bluebie servers literally have PAGES & PAGES of nonsensical rules that you as the blue player are supposed to know and study (fun game huh?). Ignorance is not an excuse and won't save you from the banhammer! There are 31 FAQ that the staff felt the need to outline! With rules of engagement further expanded in Green rules! lmao. With various amendments made like it's a law book. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189856

*sigh*... I have not read through it all, and won't. Yet I can still, without a doubt, tell you that all of these silly problems are solved with PVP.

[Lampolo]

I am bluebie. I like the points Red players make. I see the draw for pvp. I tried Red years ago. Was having fun in a duo until our first pvp encounter. We rolled there asses and it felt great. The problem is they came back. There was seemingly nothing we could do but keep fighting until one side quit. There was no winning.

The manastone example sounds so good but it doesn't end with you killing him.. What do you do to keep the camp and not have your session turn into on giant grief fest on both sides? I've heard corpse camping but that sounds not fun and unreliable.

[pink grapefruit]

I am bluebie. I like the points Red players make. I see the draw for pvp. I tried Red years ago. Was having fun in a duo until our first pvp encounter. We rolled there asses and it felt great. The problem is they came back. There was seemingly nothing we could do but keep fighting until one side quit. There was no winning.

The manastone example sounds so good but it doesn't end with you killing him.. What do you do to keep the camp and not have your session turn into on giant grief fest on both sides? I've heard corpse camping but that sounds not fun and unreliable.

Read the lns sticky in red server forum.

[Old_PVP]

The manastone example sounds so good but it doesn't end with you killing him.. What do you do to keep the camp and not have your session turn into on giant grief fest on both sides? I've heard corpse camping but that sounds not fun and unreliable.

If you are the one that dies and want to just cut your losses and leave, you can call "LNS" (loot and scoot) under the current rules. If both sides want to keep fighting, then you keep fighting until 1 person dominates that spawn. Survival of the strongest baby. If you can't hold the spawn by yourself, then call in friends to help you. Having the option to fight for the spawn must certainly be better than the alternative which is waiting for 1 single person who presumably has no life and is unemployed to graciously give up their poopsocking agenda. No one person or group of people should be allowed to hold down camps like this; especially high value, limited timeline camps... all while doing so semi-afk and uncontested.

But this scenario also brings up certain PVP rulesets which would help:

I am of the opinion that the less rules in place, the better. Players will govern themselves! Obviously blatant hacking is still bannable. Corpse camping SHOULD be allowed. Training SHOULD be allowed. Everything will get sorted out in the end, and the STRONGEST will win.

Also, the dreaded Item Loot which many people are scared to speak of. I think it would be a healthy deterrent in these types of situations which stops the super twink griefers in their tracks. It may not turn into a grief fest because one side may start to consider the consequences of keeping the fight going.

[ithaqua]

Item loot might sound like a deterrent but it doesn’t really help, people would either be in nodrop gear or fight naked if they felt the situation were too risky

[Vexenu]

The only reason anyone likes EQ PvP is for griefing. These need-new-red spammers will deny that til they're blue in the face and make up a million false justifications for why a PvP server is somehow "better".

But the real reason they like it is they want a built in mechanic for pissing off other players and starting drama in ooc with the lowest effort possible. That's it, that's the only reason they want a restart so bad. For fresh victims. They know it will end up dead again in three months and would waste all of the dev and staff's time and they don't give a fuck.

In reality, the real most effective and most sustainable form of griefing other players is by taking all of a bluebie's raid loots. Seal Team owned everyone harder than any red player could ever dream of, but that requires organization, interpersonal skills, intelligence, and patience.....qualities every red player severely lacks.

So instead they take the lowest common denominator approach and just spam the forums with "can I has killz other player pls rogon, lolz". Idiots.

Braindead take.

"Everyone who likes things I don't like is stupid and wrong!"

The reality is that, as you have noted, Blue/Green both have PvP of a different sort at the high-end, with all their assorted byzantine raid rules and lawyerquesting. Red PvP is simply a more direct, fun and engaging way to compete for loot. Similarly, griefing surely exists on Blue/Green, and just takes a more indirect aspect. Griefing is an issue of player personalities and incentives/rewards, not rulesets.

The fact that you don't understand such a simple concept is quite appalling, and leads back to my original conclusion that you are indeed FUCKING BRAINDEAD, and should go vigorously rub your face in the nearest pile of dogshit, as this will serve to warn everyone who subsequently comes in contact with you what sort of mentally deficient individual they are dealing with.

[Infectious]

The only reason anyone likes EQ PvP is for griefing. These need-new-red spammers will deny that til they're blue in the face and make up a million false justifications for why a PvP server is somehow "better".

But the real reason they like it is they want a built in mechanic for pissing off other players and starting drama in ooc with the lowest effort possible. That's it, that's the only reason they want a restart so bad. For fresh victims. They know it will end up dead again in three months and would waste all of the dev and staff's time and they don't give a fuck.

In reality, the real most effective and most sustainable form of griefing other players is by taking all of a bluebie's raid loots. Seal Team owned everyone harder than any red player could ever dream of, but that requires organization, interpersonal skills, intelligence, and patience.....qualities every red player severely lacks.

So instead they take the lowest common denominator approach and just spam the forums with "can I has killz other player pls rogon, lolz". Idiots.

Couldn't have said it better. Now watch all the red supporters come in and attack you and not one point you made.

[drackgon]

Why are people still going on about PVP on Green forums, Go back to silly and dead Red. And beg there and discuss there about Red 2.0.. Green 2.0 was never ever mentioned about PVP per their orginal post. Just seasonal Green sever resets and merge into blue. Red2.0 is not going to happen. If you want that There is always some silly pvp server that gets made every 6 months for people who think PVP is still a thing.

Also I am excited as the next person to do Green 2.0 but just be patient they will probably announce it a month before the launch like they did. Peeps forget they got to somewhat warn people about the merging of character names. Though they could program something to "require a new name" but that would take effort.

[Ooloo]

Braindead take.

"Everyone who likes things I don't like is stupid and wrong!"

The reality is that, as you have noted, Blue/Green both have PvP of a different sort at the high-end, with all their assorted byzantine raid rules and lawyerquesting. Red PvP is simply a more direct, fun and engaging way to compete for loot. Similarly, griefing surely exists on Blue/Green, and just takes a more indirect aspect. Griefing is an issue of player personalities and incentives/rewards, not rulesets.

The fact that you don't understand such a simple concept is quite appalling, and leads back to my original conclusion that you are indeed FUCKING BRAINDEAD, and should go vigorously rub your face in the nearest pile of dogshit, as this will serve to warn everyone who subsequently comes in contact with you what sort of mentally deficient individual they are dealing with.

Sure other than the fact that griefing is like a billion times easier when you can just cast nukes directly on other players. And okay great you can kill people who are at camps you want. Likewise, they can do the same to you which would be extremely annoying. No thanks.

EQ is just not for pvp. I stick to ultima online for pvp.

[Ennewi]

its so much better with pvp, if u guys only knew tbh like classic wow if you remove the open world pvp you remove 40% of the game

so many spells and classes find new utility with that added context of pvp, meanwhile NONE of the PVE mechanics are changed or removed

its simply less game

Can't duck interrupt on red still though? Unless that was changed in more recent years.

[boukk]

Clearly, Rogean, Nilbog, and whoever else is still left running things have milked all the donation money they can out of the Project, and have abandoned it. Lack of any sort of communication from anyone despite a community seething for what they initially promised is kinda bullshit & indicative of how much they still care about p99...ie they don't anymore.

I get it, life comes up, but holy shit grow some balls, be adults, and let people know what's going on so they know whether or not they should continue waiting for what they really want to play, or get invested in something else if Green2.0 isn't happening.
What has the community been waiting for supposedly?
I am playing on a classic server fro free, thank you to the team.

[Gustoo]

Exactly. Green isn’t even old. It’s thriving with high population. Go play.

If you wanna get in the right head space listen to the audiobook version of the silmarillion or something, maybe just the first hour.

[Bockscar]

What has the community been waiting for supposedly?
I am playing on a classic server fro free, thank you to the team.

I mean, don't be intentionally obtuse. People are waiting for what was promised: a new server once the latest iteration has been in Velious for as long as Velious originally lasted. We're over a year past that due date.

If they didn't intend to deliver any such thing, they shouldn't have promised it. But they did, and therefore people are justified in expecting it.

Don't hate on people for expecting what was promised. It's the server's staff who have failed to deliver on it.

[magnetaress]

I'm praying for jesus (or apophis) to come save ur all, but i'm praying to Jesus about both things.

I really do hope ya'll get a new green SOON TM it would be best for the universe. even if it's sorta close to a TLP launch

you deserve a new green

and it would be healthy for the whole multiverse