Enchanter Epic piece from Hate

[Lucas9]

So been stuck for months now trying to get one of my last 2 pieces, Essence of a Vampire from Plane of Hate. The problem is that I can't find many that want to go to Hate these days on green. Wish there were still open raids. Any chanters out there that might have some suggestions?

[Jimjam]

I have a 60 warrior on green that wants to collect legionnaire scaled gloves, legs and hat iirc. Will be happy to help in exchange for a chance to kill some mummies for drops too.

[PatChapp]

Lots of guilds do hate still. The piece isn't all that rare. Have seen it from male and female revs.
If your not guilded,maybe reach out and offer plat for loot rights.
Hate trash can be one grouped,or solod. High skill level,lots of deaths to solo it. If your one grouping your monk needs to be very experienced.
Revs are mostly in a building near the organ hall

[Bagavan]

Lucas9, I'd be happy to get you the piece if you can cover the port stone. PM me or shoot Diddlydee a tell ingame

[Lucas9]

Lucas9, I'd be happy to get you the piece if you can cover the port stone. PM me or shoot Diddlydee a tell ingame

Awesome. I will try to find you online then.

[loramin]

Ah P99: the "classic" server where no one (except Castle) actually raids Hate (they just port up for a quick kill when one of three nameds is tracked), and the best way to get loot from there is to pay (or in this case, depend on the kindness of) the one player who solos it. :rolleyes:

[Ripqozko]

Ah P99: the "classic" server where no one (except Castle) actually raids Hate (they just port up for a quick kill when one of three nameds is tracked), and the best way to get loot from there is to pay (or in this case, depend on the kindness of) the one player who solos it. :rolleyes:

Be the change you want to see and lead some hate raids, add it to the wiki.

[loramin]

I'm not going to organize open raids: they'd be all Mages/Necros, a few Enchanters, and no one else.

As for my guild, I've tried getting them to raid Hate on quakes or three days after: they're against it. All they'll do is let individual members track and batphoning when a named spawns ... but after doing that for nearly a year and having no luck, I was basically told by my guild leader to just buy the staff. So, I went that route.

Classic P99 :rolleyes:

[Ripqozko]

I'm not going to organize open raids: they'd be all Mages/Necros, a few Enchanters, and no one else.

As for my guild, I've tried getting them to raid Hate on quakes or three days after: they're against it. All they'll do is let individual members track and batphoning when a named spawns ... but after doing that for nearly a year and having no luck, I was basically told by my guild leader to just buy the staff. So, I went that route.

Classic P99 :rolleyes:

Ahh you went for option b, bitch and moan. Figures

[Infectious]

I'm not going to organize open raids: they'd be all Mages/Necros, a few Enchanters, and no one else.

As for my guild, I've tried getting them to raid Hate on quakes or three days after: they're against it. All they'll do is let individual members track and batphoning when a named spawns ... but after doing that for nearly a year and having no luck, I was basically told by my guild leader to just buy the staff. So, I went that route.

Classic P99 :rolleyes:

Wow you seem like a great guild member, don't get your way and throw everyone under the bus.... The leader included. Wow. I bet you don't treat your wiki like that.

[loramin]

You're acting like it's a secret that many guilds (not just mine) don't prioritize Hate.

And yes, I am bitching and moaning, because this is supposed to be a classic EQ server, but most hate staffs go to soloing Enchanters who sell them. There's nothing classic about that. It's like bitching and moaning about combat bind wounds, or Bards monopolizing zones by swarm kiting 200 mobs: it goes against the whole idea of recreating the game from 1999-2001.

[Ripqozko]

You're acting like it's a secret that many guilds (not just mine) don't prioritize Hate.

And yes, I am bitching and moaning, because this is supposed to be a classic EQ server, but most hate staffs go to soloing Enchanters who sell them. There's nothing classic about that. It's like bitching and moaning about combat bind wounds, or Bards monopolizing zones by swarm kiting 200 mobs: it goes against the whole idea of recreating the game from 1999-2001.

Keep bitching and moaning, blaming others when you could make the change you want. Always the victim.

[Swish]

20+ years of "thinking about content" and finding new ways to get things done isn't classic either. Unfortunately you can't undo what's been found to be possible.

The best thing to do (maybe the only thing) if you don't like the culture/behavior on the server is to give another EQ home a go. I know a lot of people who left for TAKP already.

Who are the active solo enchanters selling hate staffs? :s

[loramin]

There are a few, but one dominates; he posted in this thread on the previous page. I have no beef with him though: he's actually a nice guy, and that'd be like taking issue with Warriors who use Bind Wounds in combat.

Also I'm not really "bitching" either (I was just parroting Ripqozko) ... I'm advocating for classic EQ. There have been multiple bugs filed that would make charming less safe, like it was on live (eg. Channeling Fix (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395675)). Plus, I filed a bug Remove the Hate Safe Spot (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413043), which would be a simple fix that immediately restores classic raiding to Hate.

Ultimately, what it boils down to is that right now Enchanters and the Plane of Hate on P99 are both:

http://i.imgur.com/apRp7TQ.gif

[Ripqozko]

There are a few, but one dominates; he posted in this thread on the previous page. I have no beef with him though: he's actually a nice guy, and that'd be like taking issue with Warriors who use Bind Wounds in combat.

Also I'm not really "bitching" either (I was just parroting Ripqozko) ... I'm advocating for classic EQ. There have been multiple bugs filed that would make charming less safe, like it was on live (eg. Channeling Fix (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395675)). Plus, I filed a bug Remove the Hate Safe Spot (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413043), which would be a simple fix that immediately restores classic raiding to Hate.

Ultimately, what it boils down to is that right now Enchanters and the Plane of Hate on P99 are both:

http://i.imgur.com/apRp7TQ.gif

Hes definitely bitching, hope that helps.

[arc]

ive tried nothing and im all out of ideas

[Garnaak]

So, this is another thread hijacked into "Nerf Enchanters!!! Waahhhh!!" ?

[Infectious]

So, this is another thread hijacked into "Nerf Enchanters!!! Waahhhh!!" ?

Nerf enchanters and someone finds out how to do it with 3 people... Loramin is under the assumption that if you nerf enchanters that the server will go back to 1999.

[loramin]

Nerf enchanters and someone finds out how to do it with 3 people... Loramin is under the assumption that if you nerf enchanters that the server will go back to 1999.

Obviously it won't, but it would make the server closer to classic. In classic Enchanters were an essential part of groups; here you can rarely find one LFG and ... :eek: groups are far less prevalent.

Again, it won't magically bring the server back to '99-'01, but if Enchanters were motivated to group again, it would certainly bring it a lot closer (not to mention the fact that it would free up a ton of high-end camps for groups, or at least duos/trios).

[PatChapp]

Obviously it won't, but it would make the server closer to classic. In classic Enchanters were an essential part of groups; here you can rarely find one LFG and ... :eek: groups are far less prevalent.

Again, it won't magically bring the server back to '99-'01, but if Enchanters were motivated to group again, it would certainly bring it a lot closer (not to mention the fact that it would free up a ton of high-end camps for groups, or at least duos/trios).

I spend a fair bit of time in chardok,seb. Often times the zones are empty, if groups want camps there's lots not being taken by solo enchanters.

[Ripqozko]

I spend a fair bit of time in chardok,seb. Often times the zones are empty, if groups want camps there's lots not being taken by solo enchanters.

This is from the guy that use to bitch about raiding while his guild tried and he was farming geos. Hope that helps. Loramin just likes to bitch.

[Optti]

so your argument is that creators of everquest made enchanters, with a charm spell, but they never intended the charm spell to be used to charm mobs and make them fight eachother for the player's gain?

[Toxigen]

so your argument is that creators of everquest made enchanters, with a charm spell, but they never intended the charm spell to be used to charm mobs and make them fight eachother for the player's gain?

not only that but charm is LE BAD because peoples internet connections and understanding of game mechanics are far better than in 99/00

[Optti]

it sounds like this guy, loramin, wants to control people reallllllly badly and sites old questionable documents to instill doubt and create confusion...

why is his picture of a rat?

[loramin]

This is from the guy that use to bitch about raiding while his guild tried and he was farming geos. Hope that helps. Loramin just likes to bitch.

Huh?

so your argument is that creators of everquest made enchanters, with a charm spell, but they never intended the charm spell to be used to charm mobs and make them fight eachother for the player's gain?

No, my argument is that charming wasn't nearly as safe (for all classes, not just Enchanters) back in '99-'01 as it is on P99 today. And if you simply read old pages about EQ on the Wayback machine, you'll see a wealth of evidence suggesting as much: everyone thought of Enchanters as a grouping class, for instance.

[Optti]

so peoples perceptions of charming were that it was very unsafe / not viable in 99 and now, in 2023 people feel safer charming

why would the gameplay ever be the same in year one of a game versus year 24 of a game?

[Infectious]

Huh?



No, my argument is that charming wasn't nearly as safe (for all classes, not just Enchanters) back in '99-'01 as it is on P99 today. And if you simply read old pages about EQ on the Wayback machine, you'll see a wealth of evidence suggesting as much: everyone thought of Enchanters as a grouping class, for instance.

So should rogean throttle peoples internet or something?

[loramin]

so peoples perceptions of charming were that it was very unsafe / not viable in 99 and now, in 2023 people feel safer charming

why would the gameplay ever be the same in year one of a game versus year 24 of a game?

It had nothing to do with perceptions: the game was how it was, and it had more than 10x the number of players as P99. All those people didn't just ignore a spell on their spell list because they were dumb or had false perceptions.

If charming was as awesome as it is here, Enchanters back then would have (for instance) charmed in groups. But they didn't, and you can see as much in old forum posts. It wasn't because of stupidity, it was because charming was too risky.

It's just like with binding wounds in combat. People here kept patting themselves on the back for how smart they were doing something people in '99 were too dumb to do ... until it was proven that it was impossible in '99, and the problem was that our emulator wasn't emulating properly.

So should rogean throttle peoples internet or something?

We have the AoE limit don't we? Are you arguing we shouldn't have it?

But, as I've said before, we don't need some special meta rule to make the server more classic. We just need to make the emulator itself more accurate, and there are already tickets (with solid evidence) in the bug forums explaining how to do that.

[Optti]

have you ever tried to charm with low charisma?

have you ever tried to level an enchanter solo by charming?

remember back in the day when zones were so camped people would sit at a spawn of like only 3 mobs with their group?

You don't think that the game being around for this long with this many empty servers and people having this much time on their hands could have potentially evolved the gameplay?

Like gamers are the same skill level now that they were in 99 when the game was that new?

My point is that there are so many reasons for the situation you describe other than coding

[loramin]

have you ever tried to charm with low charisma?

have you ever tried to level an enchanter solo by charming?

I've leveled a Druid to 60 here (mostly by charming), and an Enchanter 20 or so (with no Charisma gear). I'm saving Enchanter as a future main class ... if/when P99 ever gets the classic version :) I had Enchanter friends on live, and I truly want to play the class they played.

But really, my personal experience is irrelevant: what's relevant is that if you read classic sources (or remember playing in the classic era) the P99 Enchanter's role has completely changed, while no other class's has.

remember back in the day when zones were so camped people would sit at a spawn of like only 3 mobs with their group?

I got a late start on live, so I missed that initial period (although I did watch a friend play, and he pretty much exclusively soloed even early on).

More to the point, Druids soloed in classic. Necromancers soloed in classic. Mages soloed in classic. Soloing absolutely happened, and there were known "soloing" classes, just as there were "grouping" classes. Enchanters were the latter.

Here on P99, Druids/Necros/Mages still solo. Warriors/Hybrids/Clerics still group. Enchanter is the only class that's changed its role (from primarily grouping to primarily soloing).

You don't think that the game being around for this long with this many empty servers and people having this much time on their hands could have potentially evolved the gameplay?

Like gamers are the same skill level now that they were in 99 when the game was that new?

Oh, 100%! I'm not saying modern discoveries and internet connections aren't a factor: they certainly are.

But ... they don't change fundamental aspects of the game. And again, in classic charming was risky enough that (even if you had a good connection, which many did) most Enchanters still grouped.

If our goal here is to recreate that game, then we'll never put the connection/knowledge genie back in the bottle ... but we absolutely should pay attention to the mechanics which aren't classic (like the bugs I mentioned earlier).

[drackgon]

Off OP topic, but to enc issue that Loramin won't stop on about. Yeah enc are probably a tad out of tunned, but no where as bad as necros/SK who can't use lifetaps.

Imo in classic I had groups where enc tried and failed to charm, But tbh I don't remember bc of resist and breaks. It was always due to lag aka Dial up connections. So they wouldn't risk it. Or didnt have someone with /target pet /cast stun. But some people did, and I am sure it worked. Now with better connection and peeps knowing so much about the game. You can nerf enc but still won't change anything. People will just farm more -Mr gear, instead of solo, always bring that duo cleric. Still denying you those camps you think are going to be now camped with groups. It just doesn't happen. Heck I've personally love to group full 6 mans, but same time I love just duo/trio with small amount of friends.

Also NOTHING IS STOPPING you from making enc and only grouping, and doing slows/buffs. and Root/get hit to have normal animation pet do dmg. Your still a fun class in groups. You don't have to assume that bc you can do enc now that their un wanted in groups. I love encs that group with us in 6 mans. Heck most enc just don't have the reaction time bc their 35-60 years old to even react fast enough to charm breaks.

[Lucas9]

Lucas9, I'd be happy to get you the piece if you can cover the port stone. PM me or shoot Diddlydee a tell ingame

Thank you Bagavan for taking the time and effort to help me out with Essence of a Vampire! You sir are a wonderful human being and a total kick-ass chanter. I've got a lot to learn lol. This is why I guess I'm still addicted to this old game. Where else can you find someone willing to help out a total stranger. Thank you my friend.