Challenging character to play solo selfearned

[eqravenprince]

While waiting on green 2.0 I was thinking of creating a challenge for myself, what would be the most challenging race/class to level to 50 solo self-earned?

[Crede]

Prob a war or rogue for melee. And maybe wiz for caster.

[Encroaching Death]

Rogue.

No contest.

[PatChapp]

Yeah definitely a rogue.

[Cen]

While rogue is likely challenging it's wasted potential since the idea is it's a class where you backstab while in a group


I feel like a self found warrior or knight is more sensible since it feels good to find items and you still use your toolkit for the most part. There's a badass feel to going naked to geared warrior

[Ghost of Starman]

Rogue isn't bad, once you get good you can do solo backstabs with a good efficiency rate, when I was playing mine I successfully strafe backstab around 75% of the time.

Self found would be rough though, I would still rather do a warrior since you have more gear variety and self-questing it/ finding it would be funner.

[Keebz]

Rogues can at least hide/sneak around. With Warrior, better hope your faction is good.

Speaking of which Iksar Warrior might be a fun one. Bertox Gnome Warrior is another idea.

[Swish]

There's a dude doing a gnome warrior on twitch this way. Not caught much of it but his progress is great. Wonder how he'll go with 54.

http://www.twitch.tv/barthorn

[Swish]

While rogue is likely challenging it's wasted potential since the idea is it's a class where you backstab while in a group


I feel like a self found warrior or knight is more sensible since it feels good to find items and you still use your toolkit for the most part. There's a badass feel to going naked to geared warrior

You can "frontstab" if you're soloing, though you'll struggle in terms of taking damage vs a warrior etc. Those I've seen doing it always have a fungi.

[Trexller]

You can "frontstab" if you're soloing, though you'll struggle in terms of taking damage vs a warrior etc. Those I've seen doing it always have a fungi.

didnt that get nerfed? i haven't been able to front stab on my rogue in years. maybe i dont remember it working on p99

on live you could step into the mob and backstab before it flipped

confirmed on p99 recently?

[Ghost of Starman]

didnt that get nerfed? i haven't been able to front stab on my rogue in years. maybe i dont remember it working on p99

on live you could step into the mob and backstab before it flipped

confirmed on p99 recently?

I think they may just be talking about the extra attack you get by using backstab from the front, but you can get backstabs solo by stepping behind the enemy and backstabbing before they turn around, timing is very tight and there's a method to doing that, but you can get pretty decent at it, I was able to nail it three out of four backstabs usually. Pretty sure it's still in the game, at least it was when I was still playing last year.

[sajbert]

The biggest challenge or chore is Rogue. It’s perhaps good if you wish to research and exlore least painful ways of leveling with a gimped character.

I can’t see how it’d be any fun however. It’s not a class that’s a fun solo experience even when twinked.

I’d recommend paladin (cool quests and progression with items like deepwater harpoon, ghoulbane etc). Shadowknight also good. Ranger also has quite a few quests and fun stuff to try with track and whatnot.

[yorumi]

As for hardest it’s rogue without a doubt. Warriors and knights are pretty easy. The main reason people think they’re hard is because they don’t solo like a necro or something. Warrior even in banded armor has huge defense and good damage. Crits and crippling blows add a lot of damage. Taking on low blues and bandaging to 50% is quite efficient. You start fights at 50-60% ho and just destroy them. It gets harder post 50 but you’re near the end then.

Knights are similar. They lose some damage but trade it for spells which are infinitely more useful.

[magnetaress]

i got a rogue to 54 mostly solo before i got banned and deleted most of my accounts.. she's out there in everquest heaven with a pair of bloodpoints i spent like a month farming the plat for and begging for from ppl

butt in all earnestness if u want an ironman challenge that is pretty cool but not super horrid and potentially will net u a cool character...

do this:

Dump all points into wisdom on a paladin

Go undead nuke hunting from lvl 15 to lvl 60

i think its toats doable

would be an interesting challenge for sure !

remember to get an insta clicky, use a sheild bash, and top slot ward undead

g-d bless

[Toxigen]

Hardest is rogue but feels bad on so many levels.

Warrior would be the best "actual" pick.

[Ripqozko]

Nothing is hard when you can 6min bard diet any class and then brownie guards for rest. Will be slow but any class can do that and rest between

[jolanar]

Rogue's biggest issue is their HP, they have like half as much as warrior. They defensively and offensively are very similar to a warrior otherwise. Frontstabbing is probably roughly equivalent to crits/crips if you are good at it.

You would be reliant on using the slow poison on basically every dark blue mob you engage after a certain point.

I'm sure it's technically doable. Downtime would be extreme and after a certain point I'd probably just start doing quest hand ins for exp. Sarnak Braids and Drolvarg Teeth can probably take you to 60 if you farmed enough of them. Or use that Karanas gnoll quest like the one guy did.

[Trelaboon]

I’d love to see someone do this on a Rogue past say level 30 or so. I personally can’t even imagine how that would be fun to play, or maybe even possible, but like the guy on twitch with the warrior, I’d have fun tuning in to watch.

[greatdane]

Rogue and warrior are the toughest, but then you're also left with a really shitty character that can't do much besides painstakingly kill low blues in areas where these can be single-pulled. It's the hardest SSF challenge, but one that feels kinda hollow because there's no meaningful end product, you just do it purely for the achievement. It's not as if an SSF rogue will one day become capable of doing something really impressive. The character will be total trash forever.

So in terms of having some future potential, the knights have the best balance between that and challenge. Shadowknights can fear kite their way through life, but can't do a whole lot in a dungeon, so that feels more like a one-trick pony. Paladin, however, can do a lot of shit and has a number of worthwhile things to pursue as you can solo stuff like Ghoulbane, most (all?) of the Ro set, and potentially even make a Hail Mary attempt at camping an FBSS once you're in the upper 50s.

[Infectious]

There's a dude doing a gnome warrior on twitch this way. Not caught much of it but his progress is great. Wonder how he'll go with 54.

http://www.twitch.tv/barthorn

All a warrior needs is jboots and you can solo to 60. Beat mobs up til your berserker. Then just bow kite while you med back up. Warriors do some damage in berserker with a bow.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

An interesting idea would be a human monk self found soloing in Kunark only. Can't go to the Iksar city by default, and most decent items for mid level are in tough dungeons like Dalnir. If you faction up you could do the Shackle quest too, Humans can wear it.

[ithaqua]

At least level to 8 and preferably 17 before the kunark exile, can at least sneak/flop to train skills rinmark then. Iksars can train with zephyl&qwinn on antonica so that should be somewhat fair )

[DeathsSilkyMist]

At least level to 8 and preferably 17 before the kunark exile, can at least sneak/flop to train skills rinmark then. Iksars can train with zephyl&qwinn on antonica so that should be somewhat fair )

Yeah it depends on how challenging you want it lol.

Hardcore mode would be to stay in Kunark and only train when you earn the right via factioning.

But I agree, it would make the run a bit more tolerable if you trained sneak first. You could also level to 8 in Kunark and teleport back just for training purposes.

[Sirquestalot]

Ok, since we're throwing all kinds of qualifying parameters at this, then the most challenging is going to be any int caster, and the self-FOUND is the key. Spells added to the spellbook must be added only when found or quested, NOT purchased from vendors. Therefore, the majority of said caster's spellbook will be empty and the challenge will be in making the quested, dropped, and researched spells do the work of getting the toon leveled up. Might even have to say research is a no-go, because I don't believe there is even a quest to obtain the necessary research container.

And on a side note, I'm not even going to start in on greatdane's assertion that he knows what makes Everquest enjoyable for everyone, or who gets to decide if a character is "total trash" to its player.

[Sirquestalot]

In a rush and I'm not seeing an edit button atm, so replace "greatdane's assertion" with "greatdane's implication"

Sure! NOW there's an edit button.

[Swish]

A ranger might be an interesting one. Reliance on shitty weapons, poor bows and sub-standard damage mitigation.

Twinked they're great fun. Walking around with a rusty weapon at level 12? Hmm.

[Tethler]

A ranger might be an interesting one. Reliance on shitty weapons, poor bows and sub-standard damage mitigation.

Twinked they're great fun. Walking around with a rusty weapon at level 12? Hmm.

I quested one of these (https://wiki.project1999.com/Jagged_Pine_Crook_Staff) around level 8 or something. Weapons were total ass until level 20 though when I bow kited Karg Icebear for a Gigantic Zweihander. Took like 25 minutes and 2 bags of arrows lol.

[Swish]

I quested one of these (https://wiki.project1999.com/Jagged_Pine_Crook_Staff) around level 8 or something. Weapons were total ass until level 20 though when I bow kited Karg Icebear for a Gigantic Zweihander. Took like 25 minutes and 2 bags of arrows lol.

5/31 oh baby!

That's the classic experience people either love or hate :D

[greatdane]

And on a side note, I'm not even going to start in on greatdane's assertion that he knows what makes Everquest enjoyable for everyone, or who gets to decide if a character is "total trash" to its player.

I see that you're one of those people who think that literally all posts must include the phrase "this is just my opinion and not an attempt to speak for all human beings," or else it should be interpreted, called out and criticized as a formal attempt to forcibly impose a view upon all people.

Fuck off with that irrational nonsense. If you're too intellectually stunted to grasp the concept of an opinion, don't post on an internet forum. The burden is not on me to preface every single thing I say with "this is just my opinion, guys. Don't worry, I'm not speaking for everyone!"

You're supposed to have developed the psychological maturity to understand that this is the case unless otherwise stated, not lash out in juvenile hysterics because you interpret any opinion that differs from yours as some kind of attack against you. Fucking weirdo.

[Encroaching Death]

5/31 oh baby!

That's the classic experience people either love or hate :D

Isn't a Cracked Staff better than that too? Could have skipped the quest.

A ranger bow kite only build would be cool

[Swish]

Isn't a Cracked Staff better than that too? Could have skipped the quest.

A ranger bow kite only build would be cool

Yeah close, but the fashion!

[Jimjam]

Isn't a Cracked Staff better than that too? Could have skipped the quest.

A ranger bow kite only build would be cool

Magic attacks for them wisps helps save up for a combine (or coldain!) weapon faster.

[eqravenprince]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I started a Human Rogue. We'll see how far I can go soloing and self earned.

[Encroaching Death]

I started a Human Rogue.

https://media.tenor.com/z69H9usjXVYAAAAC/my-man.gif

[Toxigen]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I started a Human Rogue. We'll see how far I can go soloing and self earned.

godspeed

[Ananka]

I'm playing an exiled iksar shaman that moved over to Antonica/Odus/Faydwer at level one and I was mostly self found but in my late 20's I cheated and bought a couple things from the tunnel. I've been trying to solo up Halas faction which is a long process and I'm still working on it. I failed at using an illusion and shrink to hand in gnoll fangs but on the plus side the illusion worked on the shaman GM and I finally got to train med and dodge way past the normal level you receive them. Not complaining, I was happy to train them. Four months in and I can use the Halas bank and I'm almost to doubtful with the guards/warriors. Then I'll be able to finally work on my smithing skill and move past Warrens level gear. It's a nice diversion while waiting for the new server and I just might recreate this adventure on the new server when Kunark arrives.

[eqravenprince]

Ugh, Rogue too challenging to play solo self-earned. I'm sure it's possible to do as I've been doing it, and my assumption is it gets a bit easier when I can use the 50% slow poison at level 20. But I think I was over ambitious and will switch to a tank of some sort.

[Tormmac]

Ugh, Rogue too challenging to play solo self-earned. I'm sure it's possible to do as I've been doing it, and my assumption is it gets a bit easier when I can use the 50% slow poison at level 20. But I think I was over ambitious and will switch to a tank of some sort.

might be better when u can backstab right? you just walk forward back or something like that to backstab 1v1

[Gustoo]

Rogue is the worst by far. Warrior can handle all a rogue can handle and then a lot more because of HP and berserker and stuff.

All the hybrids are easy and fun. Not efficient like a necro or even a Druid or shaman but totally capable.

Monks are like warriors but better because you can FD

[Kirdan]

Available soloable weapons make warrior considerably easier than rogue. For SSF in classic era, the rogue is going to be limited to Dragoon Dirk/Jambiya for a long time. Warriors can get Axe of the Slayers at a pretty low level.

Hardest race is debatable, it's basically between gnome and DE for weakest stats. I went with bertox gnome on my SSF rogue.

That gnome warrior that streams is not era-limited btw. Access to things like Swiftclaw Sash, revamped RE loot, etc changes a lot.

[Tnair]

I'm playing an exiled iksar shaman that moved over to Antonica/Odus/Faydwer at level one and I was mostly self found but in my late 20's I cheated and bought a couple things from the tunnel. I've been trying to solo up Halas faction which is a long process and I'm still working on it. I failed at using an illusion and shrink to hand in gnoll fangs but on the plus side the illusion worked on the shaman GM and I finally got to train med and dodge way past the normal level you receive them. Not complaining, I was happy to train them. Four months in and I can use the Halas bank and I'm almost to doubtful with the guards/warriors. Then I'll be able to finally work on my smithing skill and move past Warrens level gear. It's a nice diversion while waiting for the new server and I just might recreate this adventure on the new server when Kunark arrives.

As a faction junkie, props on that Halas rogue/bank faction, as a DEF ROG they're one of the last few city factions that are kos for me. It takes ... a very long time to get those mammoth calf hides. And this is from someone who bought Travellers Boots and a Tinkerers Bag entirely on Permafrost ore grinding

[Tnair]

Honestly I love everything about the "exiled character tries to make friends in the wider world" character background, very similar to my own head canon.

Sometimes I've daydreamed about the reverse, a character maxing all those useless NPC factions like Runnyeye and Karana Bandits by killing hundreds of halfling mothers etc.

[Castle2.0]

You can even max blackburrow faction.

Unfortunately, maxing Mistmoore faction doesn't do crap - that would actually be cool if you cold walk MM not KoS.

[socialist]

I can do it like 50% of the time by tightly circle-strafing and hitting the backstab button right around the time I pass the mob's hip. Don't know if it has anything to do with EU ping of 150ish.

[socialist]

I can do it like 50% of the time by tightly circle-strafing and hitting the backstab button right around the time I pass the mob's hip. Don't know if it has anything to do with EU ping of 150ish.

Er, forgot to quote and now I can't edit.

didnt that get nerfed? i haven't been able to front stab on my rogue in years. maybe i dont remember it working on p99

on live you could step into the mob and backstab before it flipped

confirmed on p99 recently?

[Mirana]

I see that you're one of those people who think that literally all posts must include the phrase "this is just my opinion and not an attempt to speak for all human beings," or else it should be interpreted, called out and criticized as a formal attempt to forcibly impose a view upon all people.

Fuck off with that irrational nonsense. If you're too intellectually stunted to grasp the concept of an opinion, don't post on an internet forum. The burden is not on me to preface every single thing I say with "this is just my opinion, guys. Don't worry, I'm not speaking for everyone!"

You're supposed to have developed the psychological maturity to understand that this is the case unless otherwise stated, not lash out in juvenile hysterics because you interpret any opinion that differs from yours as some kind of attack against you. Fucking weirdo.

I'm not able to "like" a post so I'm just gunna do this :)

[Tnair]

You can even max blackburrow faction.

Unfortunately, maxing Mistmoore faction doesn't do crap - that would actually be cool if you cold walk MM not KoS.


So if you kill enough Mail Quest Bards to get Dubious with AgentsOfMistmoore they all still attack you? :(

I was astonished to discover an Innoruuk dark elf starts just barely non kos to shadowed men. Really different old world experience without living in fear of hordes of invisible super-fast hyper aggressive damage-shielded mobs.

Might have to roleplay an Unkempt Druid at some point and begin killing townspeople To Protect The Bears

[ithaqua]

Killing bards doesn’t raise agents of mistmoore faction only mayong’s own faction afaik, that one is pretty easily maxed if you grind a bit/lot in hs

[Castle2.0]

So if you kill enough Mail Quest Bards to get Dubious with AgentsOfMistmoore they all still attack you? :(

I was astonished to discover an Innoruuk dark elf starts just barely non kos to shadowed men. Really different old world experience without living in fear of hordes of invisible super-fast hyper aggressive damage-shielded mobs.

Might have to roleplay an Unkempt Druid at some point and begin killing townspeople To Protect The Bears

No, the problem is killing bards only raises MayongMistmoore, not AgentsOfMistmoore.

No quest or mob raises AgentsOfMistmoore.

All race/class/deity combos are forever KoS in MM.

I think my bard or one of my characters is dubious to shadowed men. I killed some SolRo quest mobs just to get the faction for fun.

[Trexller]

No, the problem is killing bards only raises MayongMistmoore, not AgentsOfMistmoore.

No quest or mob raises AgentsOfMistmoore.

All race/class/deity combos are forever KoS in MM.

I think my bard or one of my characters is dubious to shadowed men. I killed some SolRo quest mobs just to get the faction for fun.

i think i remember some toon probably my dark elf enchanter starting out threatening in MM, so if I hadn't killed any mobs there I coulda got like apprehensive with collaboration

memory not perfect on this