Concerning deities

[pink grapefruit]

I fucking love that the devs spent time creating gods for their world, and did the work to implement the code that would allow players to choose a deity- all for it to basically not matter at all, except from a very minor faction perspective. This decision (design flaw?) resulted in a system that was pure fun for its own sake, as well as having roleplay merit.

My hot take:

Agnostic enchanter is the most basic bitch move a person can make at the character select screen. It's a clear indication that a person is lacking in creativity, and admitting to making such a boring decision is simply outing yourself as uninteresting.

This goes for other classes too ofc, enchanters are just the ones you see nerds carrying on about. You never see these people insisting that gnome clerics should never ever go with Bertoxxulous bc then you'll be kos to a handful of NPCs on Antonica, though the logic is the same.

Like, does no one care about roleplay anymore? If you don't think up complicated backstories for your elf, why are you even playing an elf simulator to begin with? Your silly halfling warrior could believe in nothing in particular at all, or he could be a devout follower of the motherfucking God of War! Click Rallos Zek at character creation, and BAM- instantly 10x cooler. Now your macros can include text about spilling blood to appease Zek, or w/e fun and interesting thing you come up with.

Rolling a monk? Start in freeport loser, and if you love Qeynos so much run there and be the only peace-loving person in town. Bonus points for the more creative and unique you can get with it. I had a Veeshan-following monk on live I never played. Does anyone even remember having the chance to roll one? The best deity choice for enchanter is either Bertoxxulous (if evil) or Rodcet Nife (if good) because these have the most wtf factor. High elf casters should always go Karana or Erollisi, unless there is some compelling RP reason to choose something else. Innoruuk is the clear choice for half elf warriors, as Bertoxx is for rogues.

Anyway. Point made.

[Ennewi]

Quite a few demi-gods would have filled out the list a bit more too, as some race/class combinations are fairly limited. Bards of course are spoiled for choice, but there's an obvious one for them that didn't make the cut...

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/Ayonae_Ro

Created at the whim of the demi-goddess Druzzil Ro for the purpose of creating music to soothe the soul, Ayonae Ro grew to develop powers and a distinct personality of her own. Druzzil sacrificed a small portion of her own place to create a new realm to be dominated by Ayonae Ro, the Demi-Plane of Music.

Ayonae can not only cause others to become caught up in her music to the point of feeling the emotions therein, she is able to mold and shape the very realm in which she lives, much as her mother does with her own magical skills.

[Samoht]

You never see these people insisting that gnome clerics should never ever go with Bertoxxulous


Well that was a bad example... (https://wiki.project1999.com/Imbued_Black_Sapphire_Electrum_Earring)

[Cecily]

Honestly, RP aside, Inny dark elf rogue is a fun choice because of how hated you are by NPCs. Every other combo is either some blend of good or neutral. Rogues have tools to get around pretty much any agro situation and only Inny dark elves really get to use them in most towns. And you can randomly murder pretty much everyone without any guilt.

[wuanahto]

If picking a deity gave bonuses and such like +1 to a stat every x2 or x3 levels fuckyeah
Following Rallos Zek giving +1str/sta every 2 levels? sign me the fuck up
Following Mith Marr giving +2sta/1wis every 2 levels?
Tunare 1 wis/int/cha every 3 levels?
karana 1 sta/1wis every 2 levels?
solusek ro giving 1 int/1cha every 2 levels?

I have serious regrets spending over a week in EC looking for a human smith who can make my Barb War some Zek armor on green because diety gear always gets screwed over somehow or another. that time and alt got fucked by some otters in velious

[pink grapefruit]

Honestly, RP aside, Inny dark elf rogue is a fun choice because of how hated you are by NPCs. Every other combo is either some blend of good or neutral. Rogues have tools to get around pretty much any agro situation and only Inny dark elves really get to use them in most towns. And you can randomly murder pretty much everyone without any guilt.

<3 Cecily <3

EDIT: actually i'm doing this now. it's a big mistake to be back in Norrath, but my DE rogue has been hanging out in Kelethin since lvl 1 xD

[wuanahto]

Might as well do the other deities while im on a 20 minute run through the karanas
Bertox: 1 int/1dr every 2 levels
Bristlebane: 1agi/dex every 2 levels
Cazic: 1str/1int every 2 levels
Inny: 1agi/1int every 2 levels
Ero: 2cha/1wis every 2 levels
Nife: 1sta/1wis/1pr every 2 levels
Prexus: 1wis/int/1cr every 2 levels
Quill: 2sta/1mr every 2 levels
Brell: 1str/1wis/1fr every 2 levels
Tribunal: i dont know. think i already did str/wis
Wurmqueen: 1 all resist every 2 levels

[Coridan]

I liked on Sullon Zek that agnostic wasn't an option, I felt that it should have always been that way.

I would love if there were more Deity-restricted items, especially for less common choices like Erollisi or Prexus

[TripSin]

Agnostic enchanter is the most basic bitch move a person can make at the character select screen. It's a clear indication that a person is lacking in creativity, and admitting to making such a boring decision is simply outing yourself as uninteresting.



Nah, you're uninteresting.

But yeah, the faction system is lame and uninspired overall.

Like just recently I was getting spawn camped over and over and over by a corrupted faun at the plane of growth tree. How does it make any sense that all those Tunarean NPCs would just allow that corrupted faun to just do whatever it wants in the tree and kill an Elf over and over and over?

[Mystero]

Never realy looked into it but their are some quests for Deity only usable items. Some actualy suck some have decent effects but most were ok slot fillers, before Velious or some High end gear drops. For the true hard core players. Im currently looking into doing Warden Symbol of Tunare for my 31 druid.

[Swish]

If a CT worshipping erudite cleric turned up in North Freeport's cleric/paladin guild area, what would you say their faction would be?

apprehensive! I always felt like that would make them kos

[tadkins]

The gods are petty, jealous beings who view us mortals as mere pawns and toys. In just about every fantasy and real life mythos, that's what gods are.

Why would I actively want to choose to follow any of them knowing that?

At least we can beat many of them up for loot.

[Ghost of Starman]

If a CT worshipping erudite cleric turned up in North Freeport's cleric/paladin guild area, what would you say their faction would be?

apprehensive! I always felt like that would make them kos

Everyone knows about the race/religion rep modifiers, but people don't really mention the class modifier often.

For almost all combinations the class mod isn't a big factor since with few exceptions you are forced to pick evil dieties on evil races or classes and good deities with good races or classes.

Things get interesting in the few cases where you can pick an evil deity with a neutral race and neutral class. Half Elf Innoruuk Warrior is one of those weird neutral/neutral/evil combos where even your own guild barely tolerates you, you're sort of "neutral evil" in d&d terms.

Then you have the "true neutral" combinations of evil deity human, erudite, and gnome clerics. You're essentially chosing "neutral/good/evil" modifiers which cancel each other out in various levels depending on the NPCs. Since cleric NPCs have a very favorable modifier for the cleric class, That's why you're accepted even in the goody two shoes guilds.

So yeah, counterintuitively evil neutral race clerics should be considered neutral characters, not evil. Character's for game mechanic purposes.

[Jimjam]

Things get interesting in the few cases where you can pick an evil deity with a neutral race and neutral class. Half Elf Innoruuk Warrior is one of those weird neutral/neutral/evil combos where even your own guild barely tolerates you, you're sort of "neutral evil" in d&d terms.

On this server your race/class/deity faction modifiers are applied at character creation, rather than live.

Old half elf warriors of innoruuk had some pretty terrible modifiers which were not classic.

Quite a bit of work has been done on correcting the faction mods for the areas they interact with, so new half elf warriors of innoruuk are a little bit more tolerated in their typical haunts (barely!) than their older cousins.

[Castle2.0]

Not sure if bug/unintended, but weren't CT folks not KoS in PoFear at first?

[Jizlefingle]

On this server your race/class/deity faction modifiers are applied at character creation, rather than live.

Old half elf warriors of innoruuk had some pretty terrible modifiers which were not classic.

Quite a bit of work has been done on correcting the faction mods for the areas they interact with, so new half elf warriors of innoruuk are a little bit more tolerated in their typical haunts (barely!) than their older cousins.

That’s actually pretty fascinating. I’ve always wanted to roll the innoruuk half elf bard (they can wear dark elf cultural armor and it looks cool, literally just fashionquest) but always been too chicken due to factionary concerns (getting one hit by a roamer pathing by a bank 5 minutes before you wanna log and go to bed).

[yorumi]

There are definitely not enough people on Norrath who appreciate the loli goddess.


This is probably limitations of the program and database at the time but one missed opportunity is that imbued gems shouldn't have been just for crafting a single set of armor but instead have gem slots on all armor. Possibly expand jewelcraft(not that it wasn't one of the most well developed crafting skills in the game already) to allow crafting facets out of imbued gems that could produce some different effects so each deity has a few options for stats or possibly even procs/clickies.

[magnetaress]

My half elf warrior is prexuz. :cool:

[magnetaress]

If a CT worshipping erudite cleric turned up in North Freeport's cleric/paladin guild area, what would you say their faction would be?

apprehensive! I always felt like that would make them kos

That's easy enough to fix :]

[pink grapefruit]

My half elf warrior is prexuz. :cool:

That's an interesting enough choice, as I kinda feel like the Freeport/Kelethin religions are overrepresented in the half elf population compared with the Qeynos religions. But I gotta be honest... I just don't understand Prexus. Their whole deal is like water? They worship the sea, and are into boats and whatever? Idk what that even looks like, maybe bc I've never been super impressed with water activities. Mountains are much cooler than salty seas if you're after some wholesome exercise imo.

And the Qeynos religions this weird water guy is competing with are pretty cool. Bertoxxulous and Rodcet Nife are fighting for the soul of this entire half of the continent, and they both make much more sense to me from a roleplay perspective. Plague worship is fucking metal and I've done a lot of Bertoxx rp, and Nife is literally just what you try to irl by fighting disease- easy to understand the motivation there. There's also Karana which is very whatever like Prexus. Think I've said before how I don't understand why we have a water god and a rain god, but mostly they're just not for me.

Obviously a Prexus warrior is exponentially cooler than an agnostic loser warrior, but I think maybe I need someone to exemplify good Prexus rp before I'd ever consider it on par with cool shit like Bertoxx and Nife. Erudites are big into Prexus too which I absolutely do not understand when Quellious is an option. Everyone understands the concept of peace, and compared with "the sea" tranquillity wins out every time imo.

[pink grapefruit]

HrPYA1mTzTk

this is the bertoxx anthem of 2020 btw

[Cen]

That's an interesting enough choice, as I kinda feel like the Freeport/Kelethin religions are overrepresented in the half elf population compared with the Qeynos religions. But I gotta be honest... I just don't understand Prexus. Their whole deal is like water? They worship the sea, and are into boats and whatever? Idk what that even looks like, maybe bc I've never been super impressed with water activities. Mountains are much cooler than salty seas if you're after some wholesome exercise imo.

And the Qeynos religions this weird water guy is competing with are pretty cool. Bertoxxulous and Rodcet Nife are fighting for the soul of this entire half of the continent, and they both make much more sense to me from a roleplay perspective. Plague worship is fucking metal and I've done a lot of Bertoxx rp, and Nife is literally just what you try to irl by fighting disease- easy to understand the motivation there. There's also Karana which is very whatever like Prexus. Think I've said before how I don't understand why we have a water god and a rain god, but mostly they're just not for me.

Obviously a Prexus warrior is exponentially cooler than an agnostic loser warrior, but I think maybe I need someone to exemplify good Prexus rp before I'd ever consider it on par with cool shit like Bertoxx and Nife. Erudites are big into Prexus too which I absolutely do not understand when Quellious is an option. Everyone understands the concept of peace, and compared with "the sea" tranquillity wins out every time imo.

Someone literally made a sketch that's identical to your post :p

https://youtu.be/aWBpBjdp8Hg

I normally don't link to stuff much but all I could think of was aquaman

[Jimjam]

That's an interesting enough choice, as I kinda feel like the Freeport/Kelethin religions are overrepresented in the half elf population compared with the Qeynos religions. But I gotta be honest... I just don't understand Prexus. Their whole deal is like water? They worship the sea, and are into boats and whatever? Idk what that even looks like, maybe bc I've never been super impressed with water activities. Mountains are much cooler than salty seas if you're after some wholesome exercise imo.

And the Qeynos religions this weird water guy is competing with are pretty cool. Bertoxxulous and Rodcet Nife are fighting for the soul of this entire half of the continent, and they both make much more sense to me from a roleplay perspective. Plague worship is fucking metal and I've done a lot of Bertoxx rp, and Nife is literally just what you try to irl by fighting disease- easy to understand the motivation there. There's also Karana which is very whatever like Prexus. Think I've said before how I don't understand why we have a water god and a rain god, but mostly they're just not for me.

Obviously a Prexus warrior is exponentially cooler than an agnostic loser warrior, but I think maybe I need someone to exemplify good Prexus rp before I'd ever consider it on par with cool shit like Bertoxx and Nife. Erudites are big into Prexus too which I absolutely do not understand when Quellious is an option. Everyone understands the concept of peace, and compared with "the sea" tranquillity wins out every time imo.

See I think Prexus was done DIIIIRTY.

First up, why is he such a big deal to Erudites who really have nothing to do with the sea?

Seconly, the cultural armor of east antonica humans is ‘seafarers’ and their principal city is ‘FreePORT’.

A bunch of pirates, traders and explorers the lot of them - these are people that should be obsessed with appeasing the fickle oceans and seas!

[Pootle]

First up, why is he such a big deal to Erudites who really have nothing to do with the sea?


They do live on a small ass island, stands to reason their god is sea based.

[jolanar]

Agnostic or Nameless are the only logical choice in a world where the gods are murdered within hours of spawning into their own planes of existence. Imagine worshipping Cazic Thule when he can't even defend his own Plane of Fear.

[Encroaching Death]

Rallos Zek worshippers:

MFa-TzLfWtU

[TheBlob]

That's an interesting enough choice, as I kinda feel like the Freeport/Kelethin religions are overrepresented in the half elf population compared with the Qeynos religions. But I gotta be honest... I just don't understand Prexus. Their whole deal is like water? They worship the sea, and are into boats and whatever? Idk what that even looks like, maybe bc I've never been super impressed with water activities. Mountains are much cooler than salty seas if you're after some wholesome exercise imo.

And the Qeynos religions this weird water guy is competing with are pretty cool. Bertoxxulous and Rodcet Nife are fighting for the soul of this entire half of the continent, and they both make much more sense to me from a roleplay perspective. Plague worship is fucking metal and I've done a lot of Bertoxx rp, and Nife is literally just what you try to irl by fighting disease- easy to understand the motivation there. There's also Karana which is very whatever like Prexus. Think I've said before how I don't understand why we have a water god and a rain god, but mostly they're just not for me.

Obviously a Prexus warrior is exponentially cooler than an agnostic loser warrior, but I think maybe I need someone to exemplify good Prexus rp before I'd ever consider it on par with cool shit like Bertoxx and Nife. Erudites are big into Prexus too which I absolutely do not understand when Quellious is an option. Everyone understands the concept of peace, and compared with "the sea" tranquillity wins out every time imo.

Personally I would just chill in Siren's Grotto with the faction spell and perhaps in Kedge Keep's Temple of Prexus (although I'm not sure it's possible to become non-KoS to Kedge Keep's seahorses). Those two zones are the best two zones in the whole game.

[svevin]

That's an interesting enough choice, as I kinda feel like the Freeport/Kelethin religions are overrepresented in the half elf population compared with the Qeynos religions. But I gotta be honest... I just don't understand Prexus. Their whole deal is like water? They worship the sea, and are into boats and whatever? Idk what that even looks like, maybe bc I've never been super impressed with water activities. Mountains are much cooler than salty seas if you're after some wholesome exercise imo.

And the Qeynos religions this weird water guy is competing with are pretty cool. Bertoxxulous and Rodcet Nife are fighting for the soul of this entire half of the continent, and they both make much more sense to me from a roleplay perspective. Plague worship is fucking metal and I've done a lot of Bertoxx rp, and Nife is literally just what you try to irl by fighting disease- easy to understand the motivation there. There's also Karana which is very whatever like Prexus. Think I've said before how I don't understand why we have a water god and a rain god, but mostly they're just not for me.

Obviously a Prexus warrior is exponentially cooler than an agnostic loser warrior, but I think maybe I need someone to exemplify good Prexus rp before I'd ever consider it on par with cool shit like Bertoxx and Nife. Erudites are big into Prexus too which I absolutely do not understand when Quellious is an option. Everyone understands the concept of peace, and compared with "the sea" tranquillity wins out every time imo.


He's a surfer dude deity. All Prexus worshippers should be played as though they just came in from surfing, hair full of sea salt, and just vibing.

[Encroaching Death]

Average Bertoxx worshipper

nQ2T1yjqdw0

[Ennewi]

Agnostic or Nameless are the only logical choice in a world where the gods are murdered within hours of spawning into their own planes of existence. Imagine worshipping Cazic Thule when he can't even defend his own Plane of Fear.

Afaik players only encounter avatars, not the actual gods themselves. All of the lore points to that at least.

[aussenseiter]

Afaik players only encounter avatars, not the actual gods themselves. All of the lore points to that at least.

Killing them in their home plane ought to be a permadeath but maybe they have bind points like us too.

We are all immortal.

[Ennewi]

We are all immortal.

Except for sleeper.

[Coridan]

Prexus should have been the deity for Kerra Isle as a Player-city. Give em Bard, Monk, Rogue, Shaman, Warrior

[jolanar]

Afaik players only encounter avatars, not the actual gods themselves. All of the lore points to that at least.

That seems like a retcon after PoP when they realized they had nowhere to go after players killed basically every god.

Is there anything that points to that in game for this era? Also, an actual Avatar of Fear spawns in Cazic Thule.


Regardless, if your avatar gets spanked that easy in your own plane of existence then I think the point still stands. :p

[cd288]

I fucking love that the devs spent time creating gods for their world, and did the work to implement the code that would allow players to choose a deity- all for it to basically not matter at all, except from a very minor faction perspective. This decision (design flaw?) resulted in a system that was pure fun for its own sake, as well as having roleplay merit.

My hot take:

Agnostic enchanter is the most basic bitch move a person can make at the character select screen. It's a clear indication that a person is lacking in creativity, and admitting to making such a boring decision is simply outing yourself as uninteresting.

This goes for other classes too ofc, enchanters are just the ones you see nerds carrying on about. You never see these people insisting that gnome clerics should never ever go with Bertoxxulous bc then you'll be kos to a handful of NPCs on Antonica, though the logic is the same.

Like, does no one care about roleplay anymore? If you don't think up complicated backstories for your elf, why are you even playing an elf simulator to begin with? Your silly halfling warrior could believe in nothing in particular at all, or he could be a devout follower of the motherfucking God of War! Click Rallos Zek at character creation, and BAM- instantly 10x cooler. Now your macros can include text about spilling blood to appease Zek, or w/e fun and interesting thing you come up with.

Rolling a monk? Start in freeport loser, and if you love Qeynos so much run there and be the only peace-loving person in town. Bonus points for the more creative and unique you can get with it. I had a Veeshan-following monk on live I never played. Does anyone even remember having the chance to roll one? The best deity choice for enchanter is either Bertoxxulous (if evil) or Rodcet Nife (if good) because these have the most wtf factor. High elf casters should always go Karana or Erollisi, unless there is some compelling RP reason to choose something else. Innoruuk is the clear choice for half elf warriors, as Bertoxx is for rogues.

Anyway. Point made.

Not matter at all? There’s very worthwhile deity specific gear in the game

[Ennewi]

That seems like a retcon after PoP when they realized they had nowhere to go after players killed basically every god.

Is there anything that points to that in game for this era? Also, an actual Avatar of Fear spawns in Cazic Thule.


Regardless, if your avatar gets spanked that easy in your own plane of existence then I think the point still stands. :p

What's written suggests that only the Nameless would be capable of destroying the gods totally, though it's possible those gods could destroy one another more or less.

RP guild back in classic with some direct quotes from the lore...

https://web.archive.org/web/20001020223321/http://members.home.net:80/aion/nameless.htm

22:33:21 Oct 20, 2000

"It is said that outside of space and time an entity known only as the Nameless exists, and that this being created all that there is and was and will be. It is also written in ancient texts that from His mind sprang not only the universe and its countless suns and worlds, but also a myriad of sentient, powerful, yet finite creatures whom one such as a man, or elf, or dwarf, would call a god."
-The History of Norrath

"There always has been and always will be an entity known as The Nameless. The universe and its countless suns and worlds sprang from the will of the Nameless, as well as many powerful creatures whom one might call gods. Whereas The Nameless created the stage, these gods gave birth to us, the many actors upon that stage."

-Vanusk, in the begining



That is all that is known of the Nameless. No other record or annul speaks of his actions or deeds. We know of the finite existence of our many "gods", and much of their history (yet not all) and try to find reasoning behind their actions, but, alas, cannot. All that we know is that which The Nameless wants us to know. All that we are is what The Nameless wants us to be. Without The Nameless, there would be nothing. It was his creations that first planted life upon Norrath, and that beget the world, as we know it. The Nameless is the one True God. Those that follow are merely minions of his greatness, each representing one facet of what The Nameless is.

This page will contain a work in progress. It will only be finished when The Nameless decides so. It is to be the first Testament of The Nameless, and included as a supplement to the now in progress Complete History of Norrath, which will be included as part of The Biblion, The Book of Books.



To Name The Nameless - The Ongoing Search for Truth and Serenity
A living document through the continued works of High Priestess of The Nameless, Aion Seraphim.

Ever stopped to consider that Tunare and Innoruuk are complete opposites in terms of goals, followers, and temperament, yet their holy followers are granted the EXACT same powers? How can this be explained?

The "gods" as we have been taught are a to us a focal point: something to allow us mortals to feel in touch with the greater powers that flow through the ether. But the origin of this power is not Rodcet Nife or Bertoxxulous. It is The Nameless... the Father of all creation. Clerics of The Prime Healer and The Plague Bringer have no differential qualities, abilities, or skills, yet have opposing focal points.

Only The Nameless can explain this. He is the generator of ALL power on Norrath. He can give and He can take away.

There are also bits of text from NPCs in the world that claim as much, especially in quests that involve epics...

https://web.archive.org/web/20011006024545/http://www.monkly-business.com/bodi/epicquest.htm

Astral Projection says 'As you may have guessed, I am part of the four. I am made up from Trorsmang, Anbeal, Drina and Cordan. We, far gone from this world, are powerful, and have managed to return in one form. As Kaiaren's true form is far from here, and I can only assume that you have defeated his image.'


Old discussions about the topic below, post-classic but only by about a year, right around Planes of Power's release.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030606043844/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=178&start=125

RE: Unknown God Reply...
Posted @ Thu, Nov 14th 7:56 PM 2002
By: ArgeinSicksoul
33 posts
Score: Decent [2.77]
The gods need Norrath, without Norrath no gods (except they are worshipped somewhere else). Gods need followers to exist, except for the 4 elemental gods (well they need Norrath too, no Norrath, no wheel, no need for the elemental gods) who turn the wheel and The Nameless (who's no real god, he's just there).


Argein Sicksoul
Bloodsabre Plague Knight

Not REALLY Gods.. Reply...
Posted @ Tue, Oct 22nd 9:30 PM 2002
By: KamotrackerShadowarrow the Silent
87 posts
Score: Excellent [4.76]
If you read up on EQ lore, all the gods we kill are just avatars, representing only a fraction of the god's true power.


Kamotracker Shadowarrow
Tunarean Warder of the First Outpost.
Master Fletcher
Destiny's Flame, Torvo..

RE: Not REALLY Gods.. Reply...
Posted @ Fri, Oct 25th 12:25 PM 2002
By: ArgeinSicksoul
33 posts
Score: Default [2.00]
The gods that are encountered in the planes are the REAL gods but can't be killed as long as their sources of power exist. You can destroy Cazic Thules (meta)physical form but you can`t kill his uhm well existance? Spirit? Dunno how to name it. Well his whatever can't be destroyed as long mortals fear. If all mortals would stop to fear Cazic Thule would die. If we'd stop to hate Innoruuk would die etc

Argein Sicksoul
Bloodsabre Plague Knight
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RE: Not REALLY Gods.. Reply...
Posted @ Wed, Oct 23rd 5:18 PM 2002
By: Primalthought
8 posts
Score: Default [2.00]
I could be mistaken. But I remember being in LFay when Tunare and Cazic met. Well their avatars that is. And it was stated by Tunare's avatar itself that what we saw was only a manifestation of her power on the mortal plane. And that she does indeed reside in Plane of Growth as herself, in true form and boundless power.

So what I gathered from this, is that anywhere other then their own plane, they are represented by a vessel of their powers.

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RE: Not REALLY Gods.. Reply...
Posted @ Wed, Oct 23rd 4:00 AM 2002
By: Oderry
11 posts
Score: Default [2.00]
Yeah that makes sense cause the Avatar of Fear would be like really be, The Avatar of the Avatar of Fear, seeing how Cazic Thule would just be an Avatar of the real god...

And yeah, same with the Avatar of War...


Oderry Warriortaco
The Defiant
Innoruuk Server

[pink grapefruit]

What's written suggests that only the Nameless would be capable of destroying the gods totally, though it's possible those gods could destroy one another more or less.

RP guild back in classic with some direct quotes from the lore...

https://web.archive.org/web/20001020223321/http://members.home.net:80/aion/nameless.htm

22:33:21 Oct 20, 2000



There are also bits of text from NPCs in the world that claim as much, especially in quests that involve epics...

https://web.archive.org/web/20011006024545/http://www.monkly-business.com/bodi/epicquest.htm




Old discussions about the topic below, post-classic but only by about a year, right around Planes of Power's release.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030606043844/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=178&start=125

that's an interesting theory, but it's utterly debunked by the simple fact that tunare is the one true divinity. what part of "mother of all" do you not understand lmao

[Ennewi]

that's an interesting theory, but it's utterly debunked by the simple fact that tunare is the one true divinity. what part of "mother of all" do you not understand lmao

https://i.imgur.com/wSpLo5n.gif

[Coridan]

I had a Veeshan-following monk on live I never played. Does anyone even remember having the chance to roll one?



This was only an option on the Sullon Zek server, which had no agnostics.

[Gustoo]

This was only an option on the Sullon Zek server, which had no agnostics.

A true scholar

[Gustoo]

Religion has such a NEGATIVE faction impact it’s funny.

Like as a Halfling bristlebane I’m barely KOS in ogre town. It’s like they know I’m a cool guy.

Agnostic is basically just as good though since bristle is neutral.

But any good diety means the ogres know I’m honor bound to try to slay them and so they deep KOS me.

So as an enchanter you hurt yourself pretty bad with non agnostic. Rogue too cuz masks.

Most other classes kinda do what you want. Ro for wizard