Please stop enabling new/weak players

[Sisythi]

Hi there. I'm sure you're thinking that sounds a bit harsh. Well, it kinda is. Stop handing out hundreds of platinum and rare items to new/returning players! You're enabling them while also showing that player and all who witness it that this is okay. It's not okay to beg or rely on other people to fund your gear.

I say this as someone COMPLETELY new to all things EQ. Let me tell you my first experiences. I made a paladin. I thought cool, I get to fuck with healing and tanking. Within 3 levels people randomly gave me gear [unprovoked] and when I asked how I would go about earning my own gear I was told to simply buy it.

Of course, my second question was how do I get the platinum for that and where do I buy it? Suddenly, I'm 500pp richer and told of some vague far off place.

Let me tell you, I did eventually find my way. Did I walk? Oh heavens no, I'm a noob who needs to be coddled. A random person invited me to their group and ported me after I asked HOW TO GET THERE. He was also kind enough to escort me to the entrance.

I asked in /auction if anyone was selling cheap paladin gear. Two separate people ended up completely outfitting me and not accepting a red cent for it. Bless their hearts!

By level 6 I was absolutely bored and tired of the game. I nearly quit, but decided I'd try a new class. Perhaps it was just Paladin that I wasn't vibing with.

This cycle and similar continued for about four toons until I simply put /roleplay on and stopped talking to people as much. I made a vow to simply refuse anything offered.

That character eventually became my main. It was exhilarating! I was learning how to optimize which spells to use/how to pull things carefully/ and genuinely becoming invested in the character. I got this character to level 10, absolutely in love, but curious to see what else EQ had to offer me.

I did this same sort of thing and now I'm absolutely addicted/in love with this game. I love all the players as well, though you may not get that takeaway here. True comradery is born from struggle and suffering, after all.
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Why is this such a problem, you ask? I understand, you're trying to be kind and generous/pay it forward. This is not the way to do it! TEACH people. Don't just give them everything that would be gained from them doing the adventure themselves. Because that's what this game is. It's a huge fucking adventure and you're ruining that for them by playing charity Jesus.

Yes, refer them to the p99 wiki or suggest they read guides. That's acceptable. However, if you're really interested in helping someone/retaining new [to both EQ and/or the server], then you should HELP them. Give them an idea of how YOU EARNED that gear and suggest routes or even alternatives! Tell them where that useless [to you] claymore drops, show them a closeby dungeon where gear drops, play with them and give them pointers!

Constantly showering noobs with arrogance "lol that's just classic/check the wiki/just farm plat/just google it/here's OP buffs" and overzealous gift-giving "here's 500pp for "spells"/here's bis until 50/have this 2kpp item i "don't want anymore" -- THIS IS NOT THE WAY.

Please do not misinterpret this as some hate towards the kindest people I've ever seen play an MMO. I absolutely adore the generosity and the essence behind it. I'd be hard-pressed to mention a player I encountered that I didn't like/thought was being a dickbag. It's so rare that it might as well be nonexistent.

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For me? I ended up learning everything directly from google. Sure, some things are easy to find and full of help [sess's necro guide is amazing as fuck], but others are things that you learn from communication and/or experience.

Where are lowbie items? I want something that I can get myself. I was constantly told that tradeskills were a money sink, but that's where I generally get my first set of gear [tailoring].

In fact, that's where I get a ranged weapon + arrows [fletching]and I can even cook food THAT BUFFS MY STATS . [B]All. By. My. Fuckin. Self.

This game is very nearly everything I've wanted from an MMO for such a long time. Almost ruined in the same way p2w has ruined recent MMOs. Keep that shit out of here. Stop handing people plat and telling them it's the almighty portion of the game. End game is an absolute nightmare in p99, though I haven't witnessed it personally.

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Please, for the love of Tunare, let new/returning players forge their own path. Offer them a pointing hand in the right direction and a comforting shoulder to inevitably cry upon. The destination isn't the important part, it's the journey. The friends. The hours grinding to earn something you can be proud of.

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Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[YendorLootmonkey]

So, I will start with the teachings:

You don't have to accept the trade when gifts show up in your trade window. :)

[YendorLootmonkey]

In all seriousness, I have learned to ask low level players if they would like a gift first. Some have said no, and I respect that.

[hobart]

Level 10? You've experienced like 2% of the path to 60 and an even lesser percentage of the game.

If being handed a an item or two is the difference between be bored or not being bored, you're not going to make it.

Those interactions with the people who gave you those items are the only part of the experience that matters. Perhaps some of them turn into friends. And, other than nostalgia, those friendships are the only thing that makes this otherwise shit-tier (by today's standards) game worth playing.

[Chortles Snortles]

ranger seethe
(lol)

[magnetaress]

Op didn't get seconds at the food line?

[Tethler]

How else am I going to get rid of these 50-100p items I can't be bothered to sell? You'll take my dregs and like it!

[swissmissile]

In all seriousness, I have learned to ask low level players if they would like a gift first. Some have said no, and I respect that.

indeed, the man can be seen at orc hill scoutin for true newbs. on one such occasion my first char on green, a bebe ranger, accepted some gargoyle eyes, a back item and a fine steel long sword. i don't think that's spoiling anyone. just a good start. especially for a filthy casual solo fanatic who doesn't know a soul.

since then, i've got to 26 and bought some nice weapons and thangs, but i'm still rockin plain ol chainmail or even -gasp- tattered leather handed to me by canloe nusback in some slots. i blow a lot of plat on tradeskills. i gotta bake all this foraged shit. (WTB a damn pie tin, i hate pottery so much) i make do and have fun fuckin around is what i'm sayin, and still have enough to tip porters.

anyway. thanks yendor!

[Trexller]

bad thread, i'll make it better

https://i.imgur.com/czrJogd.jpeg

[Rager and Quitter]

I won't lie, I only read the first few sentences of your post, so I'm not sure what your point was, but maybe don't be so much of a bitch/sorry for your loss.

[mycoolrausch]

New players don't exist OP. Everyone in the p99 demographic has heard of or played the project by now.

And the only gear that makes a difference to your character is haste and regen, which nobody gives away.

[cd288]

Oh hey it’s the latest wokecat forum alt in the form of OP. Sweet

[Trexller]

Oh hey it’s the latest wokecat forum alt in the form of OP. Sweet

yeah it probably is

wokecat gets banned today, and yet another Jan 2023 account pops up

[Sweagen]

As a weak/new player, I disagree. I’ve also solo’d through the early levels and it can be brutal and a slog. Once you’ve played more than a few hours you’ll begin to understand the ‘flow’ of EverQuest and how much downtime there is, and learn to appreciate the help you’re given from others along the way to help speed you along your journey.

[Ripqozko]

these wokecat forum alts are getting out of hand

[Trexller]

these wokecat forum alts are getting out of hand

Gentlemen, we have but one recourse. One ally left in our corner. The only ally who will always fight, the stalwart warrior on our side:

Tiddies!

https://i.imgur.com/ZVzGa2j.jpeg

[Duik]

Took me a while, but i finally saw the serious expression on her face.

[Trexller]

Took me a while, but i finally saw the serious expression on her face.

what face?

[Sisythi]

bad thread, i'll make it better

https://i.imgur.com/czrJogd.jpeg
In all seriousness, I have learned to ask low level players if they would like a gift first. Some have said no, and I respect that.

This is all I needed. <3 Mostly just a rant that bugs me. Of course I close trade windows/do not accept. No, I haven't seen most the game. The point remains the same. If you want to retain players, it's better to show them the way. Obviously I'm still playing.

something something Give a man a fish something something Teach a man to fish something something inject evercrack into his veins.

[Sisythi]

Gentlemen, we have but one recourse. One ally left in our corner. The only ally who will always fight, the stalwart warrior on our side:

Tiddies!

https://i.imgur.com/ZVzGa2j.jpeg

I love this guy.

As a weak/new player, I disagree. I’ve also solo’d through the early levels and it can be brutal and a slog. Once you’ve played more than a few hours you’ll begin to understand the ‘flow’ of EverQuest and how much downtime there is, and learn to appreciate the help you’re given from others along the way to help speed you along your journey.

I have played probably 12+hrs a day for almost a month, buddy. It isn't even that I don't appreciate it. Refer to lower portion of original post + maybe get hooked on monkey phonics.

[OuterChimp]

I accepted the trade, and now I think I have the herp...

[Trexller]

I accepted the trade, and now I think I have the herp...

sometimes in life, you just be a man and accept the herp

https://i.imgur.com/a6RegTR.jpeg

[Sisythi]

on this blessed day, we all have the herp. it is the disease that binds us.

[Swish]

Try being a mage and being offered 100 elemental binders.

[Sisythi]

ughhh good point. binders are so tacky. trapper keepers, now that's how you element.

[Sisythi]

In all seriousness, I have learned to ask low level players if they would like a gift first. Some have said no, and I respect that.

This should be the norm. Ask for consent before you start unzipping yourself and loading up our trade window with questionable things. At least let us establish a safe word first.

[Jimjam]

LOL the button for accepting or cancelling trade is consent/deny.

[Sisythi]

If I knew how to read I wouldn't be playing EQ. I'd be playing a real game like WoW.

[Duik]

Self.
Control.



I dont want this.
Oh, ok.
NowLemmeComplainOnDaElfForumsAboudit.

[Duik]

And Trex, as usual, perfection.

[Sisythi]

Trusting other players while you are new shouldn't be bad? Having no gauge on the value of currency or what gear/stats even do really doesn't give you much perspective, so basically just open to whatever people hand you because you're simply not wise enough yet.

But ye, I'm just whining. This is what this forum category is for, I thought? It's not like I'm going around being a negative meanieface to everyone who tries handing out gear/plat or rude/disliking towards those who have given me things.

Not everyone has played this game for two decades. Open your brain up, ya smelly neckbeard.

[Encroaching Death]

I shower new players in gifts, platinum, buffs, and help with questions.

Because I want to.

I don't care if it enables them.

[Sisythi]

I shower new players in gifts, platinum, buffs, and help with questions.

Because I want to.

I don't care if it enables them.

You evil fuckin' monster.

[mattydef]

EQ is an extremely brutal game to start on, especially as a melee, to the point that most people will probably quit after dying a bunch of times at level 1. I don't see why it would be a bad thing to give a cheap weapon and gear to a new player to at least make that experience slightly better. They will still die, have to do a terrible CR, lose their corpse etc.

[Toxigen]

I once tipped a druid 10k for some light duty porting (multiple characters, pickups and rides) and a couple back-and-forth item transfers.

Talked with him for a while...legit new guy in rags. Made his day...still get tells from him from time to time.

[Encroaching Death]

I remember when a guy gave me a free Wu's Quivering Staff in West Freeport like 10 years ago.

I had no idea those things only went for 100p. I saw the damage/delay and was like "holy shit!"

If I'm killing guards, I always give newbies a few FS weapons to sell for lower level spells. Because it just makes things easier.

[Sisythi]

EQ is an extremely brutal game to start on, especially as a melee, to the point that most people will probably quit after dying a bunch of times at level 1. I don't see why it would be a bad thing to give a cheap weapon and gear to a new player to at least make that experience slightly better. They will still die, have to do a terrible CR, lose their corpse etc.

This is the kind of help I like. I want something level-appropriate/that I could get myself or get soon. Pawn your trash off on me. Let me play plat for it once I'm high enough level to have more than 2pp, even if it isn't the full value on the AH price site.

I once tipped a druid 10k for some light duty porting (multiple characters, pickups and rides) and a couple back-and-forth item transfers.

Talked with him for a while...legit new guy in rags. Made his day...still get tells from him from time to time.

This is crazy. I would absolutely never accept that much. I thought 500-1k was a very large amount [at least until I began seeing how quickly spell costs ramp up].

You're an insane philanthropist! I endorse this sort of thing. Even if I don't accept, the gesture is nice.

I remember when a guy gave me a free Wu's Quivering Staff in West Freeport like 10 years ago.

I had no idea those things only went for 100p. I saw the damage/delay and was like "holy shit!"

If I'm killing guards, I always give newbies a few FS weapons to sell for lower level spells. Because it just makes things easier.

As a necro, totally relate to the last point. The 5pp I get from it isn't as valuable to me as the weapon would be to someone who could use it.

[Arvan]

taking bets for what OPs main account is

[Bardp1999]

I regularly farm and buy up Wu Trance Sticks and then give them away in Field of Bone to little monks. Eat it OP

[Bardp1999]

I also take <Ancient Blood> members through Dalnir for Cresent Armor about once a week still

[Xer0]

Honestly it could veyr well have beent hat the class didn't vibe with you. Becuase there's 0 chacne anyone gave you good enough equipment to trivialize the content for a paladin.

[Sisythi]

Honestly it could veyr well have beent hat the class didn't vibe with you. Becuase there's 0 chacne anyone gave you good enough equipment to trivialize the content for a paladin.

Actually paladin is most likely my second favorite class. Sadly it was tainted by that experience, but I will assuredly return to it. Love everything about it.

[Jimjam]

Fave class:

Bard, cleric, druid, enchanter, magician, monk, necromancer, ranger, rogue, shadowknight, shaman, warrior, wizard (tied)

Second fave:

Paladin.

Ps berserker and beastlord are in fave class tier too.

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/4mISQce.jpg

[magnetaress]

Fave class:

Bard, cleric, druid, enchanter, magician, monk, necromancer, ranger, rogue, shadowknight, shaman, warrior, wizard (tied)

Second fave:

Paladin.

Ps berserker and beastlord are in fave class tier too.
Fully titanium expansion zones enabled.

Max lvl 60 and luclin AAs.

Kunark itemization. PoP hardmode bosses with a mix of kunark velious raid tier single group content.

Less class restrictions. And culturals itemized for end game kunark as an alternative to raiding. Additional cultural trades and items.

Ftw.

[Lune]

In all seriousness, I have learned to ask low level players if they would like a gift first. Some have said no, and I respect that.

Chilling in a group at MM CE like almost 10 fucking years ago while Yendor buffs your group with ranger thorns and pulls for you was peak P99 vibes

[aussenseiter]

Fully titanium expansion zones enabled.

Max lvl 60 and luclin AAs.

Kunark itemization. PoP hardmode bosses with a mix of kunark velious raid tier single group content.

Less class restrictions. And culturals itemized for end game kunark as an alternative to raiding. Additional cultural trades and items.

Ftw.

Luclin FV-PVP itemloot TAKP source

'Sorrowsong'

[Encroaching Death]

I think Adele was more attractive when she was fat

[Ekco]

i remember people talking mad shit about twinking back in the day, think i even got kicked out of a crushbone grp for having a PGT on fennin ro.

that's the one big non classic thing on blue, most of us didn't even level our main characters legit to 60 if you were around during chardok aoe. or skyshrine aoe before that or whatever other exploited broken stuff before me. i bought pulls at like 51 in chardok then dinged 60 as ingrp dps like a week later

[Ekco]

i remember people talking mad shit about twinking back in the day, think i even got kicked out of a crushbone grp for having a PGT on fennin ro.

that's the one big non classic thing on blue, most of us didn't even level our main characters legit to 60 if you were around during chardok aoe. or skyfire aoe before that or whatever other exploited broken stuff before me. i bought pulls at like 51 in chardok then dinged 60 as ingrp dps like a week later

[Encroaching Death]

i even got kicked out of a crushbone grp for having a PGT on fennin ro.

Jesus...

[Jimjam]

Get that bronze armour out of here, TWINK!

[Sisythi]

I'm not necessarily against twinking. Especially on alts, but paying for powerleveling or similar is kinda sus.

[Ripqozko]

No one cares wokecat

[Sisythi]

what a useless nonsensical reply adding nothing to the discussion.

[Ripqozko]

what a useless nonsensical reply adding nothing to the discussion.

Wokecat alt #15

[Trexller]

what a useless nonsensical reply adding nothing to the discussion.

Wokecat alt #15

it is? hold my beer

https://i.imgur.com/RVYjeKd.jpeg

[Ripqozko]

Pretty much anyone with a new join date im chalking up as wokecat alt.

[Trexller]

Pretty much anyone with a new join date im chalking up as wokecat alt.

so what you're saying is, spam all new joiners with big anime tiddies? Got it.

https://i.imgur.com/rLh5FXc.jpeg

[Swish]

Pretty much anyone with a new join date im chalking up as wokecat alt.

what if wokecat is already an alt account and not the original?

[Ripqozko]

what if wokecat is already an alt account and not the original?

Wokecatception

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/DJC64SR.gif

[Encroaching Death]

Swish has all the best gifs

[Duik]

Has alot of cats.

[Jimjam]

He is a pussy magnate.

[pink grapefruit]

someone on green should enable me.

PMs open <3

[aussenseiter]

He is a pussy magnate.

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