How bad are Rangers really

[WokeCat]

I grouped with a ranger in Karnors castle and they was able to get single pulls because they have wolf form n harmony + with my shaman slow they tanking wasn’t really any different than warrior tanks I’ve had who typically pulled 3 mobs at a time due to having no way of lull

Like idk

I’ve never felt like my group has been worse by having a Ranger or Wizard in it lol

At least not on blue

On green before Kunark came out I had a ranger who kept OOMing my cleric because he cast flame lick on every mob

[Jimjam]

KC exists to make rangers feel like gods.

[WokeCat]

KC exists to make rangers feel like gods.

I thought that was Pegasus cloak ngl

[Encroaching Death]

Rangers can be a great addition to a group if the player puts in 100% effort.

They're better pullers than Monks in outdoor zones.

They can CC or snag aggro in a pinch.

Their DPS is fine.

They can buff melee classes.

They're like Necros in groups. If they're played to their full potential, they can be impressive. But if not, they just kind of an afterthought that no one really seeks out.

[WokeCat]

They're better pullers than Monks in outdoor zones.
I’ve never had a monk who uses fd to single pull mobs on p99 ngl

Idk if they don’t know how, are lazy, or simply don’t care becus they know our group can handle multiple mobs

But it’s the norm for me to have to root and slow 4 mobs every time a monk pulls lmao

[Encroaching Death]

I’ve never had a monk who uses fd to single pull mobs on p99 ngl

Idk if they don’t know how, are lazy, or simply don’t care becus they know our group can handle multiple mobs

But it’s the norm for me to have to root and slow 4 mobs every time a monk pulls lmao

In a comfortable situation with a good group, yeah there's no need to single pull.

But when your Cleric leaves and you need to keep mob spawns broken, sometimes it's helpful to have that control. Pull out and focus on that one troublesome mob, etc.

[Solist]

If you want to discuss what makes something good or not it would be helpful to say at which thing you want them to be good at.

My ntov geared 60 ranger can keep every warlord ph down in sequence, it's an easy plat farm.

A level 55 monk in EC gear can tank better on just about any mob there. No contest.

[Ekco]

tl;dr

Human ranger with Azure robe is pretty top tier fashion quest.

[Renault]

The problem with rangers is they are a hybrid with no required raid role outside of a single buff. As far as xp grouping and soloing they are fine.

[Encroaching Death]

The problem with rangers is they are a hybrid with no required raid role outside of a single buff. As far as xp grouping and soloing they are fine.

The Harsh Truth: a lot of classes don't have a crucial role for Raiding outside of 1 or 2 abilities.

[WokeCat]

If you want to discuss what makes something good or not it would be helpful to say at which thing you want them to be good at.

My ntov geared 60 ranger can keep every warlord ph down in sequence, it's an easy plat farm.

A level 55 monk in EC gear can tank better on just about any mob there. No contest.
i still dont know how classic this is

i was a monk main back in the day, and remember having people message me in plane raids to be like holy shit, i didnt realize monks could punch this hard (i was the first high level monk they had ever seen)

anyways, i never felt like a tank and considered rangers to be tanks when compared to me

monks being tank on p99 im pretty sure is like enchanters charm being insanely broken on p99

its not classic imho

theres a reason enchanters on tlp / live still build int over charm

the charm system on p99 not even the same as it was on live

and im pretty sure monk out tanking warriors is like, super not classic

[WokeCat]

The Harsh Truth: a lot of classes don't have a crucial role for Raiding outside of 1 or 2 abilities.

thats how wow classic is too (vanilla wow, no one really cared what class or spec you were, no one was min maxing)

but when i played wow classic it was like if you want to tank you can only play warrior

if you want to heal you can only play priest

if you want to join our raid group, you have to be a mage

we dont have room for any other dps right now, were just stacking mages

lol

games were so much better before they were considered an e-sport / competitive

[Encroaching Death]

thats how wow classic is too (vanilla wow, no one really cared what class or spec you were, no one was min maxing)

but when i played wow classic it was like if you want to tank you can only play warrior

if you want to heal you can only play priest

if you want to join our raid group, you have to be a mage

we dont have room for any other dps right now, were just stacking mages

lol

games were so much better before they were considered an e-sport / competitive

I love my Necro, but raiding with him is so boring. I sit around doing nothing for an hour, then if we get into a big fight, all Necros will Twitch the Clerics.

I can't even damage shit. Everything resists my spells.

It's like leveling a Rogue to 60 and then finding out everything in Raids is immune to your melee attacks.

Like WTF?

[WokeCat]

except rogue is useless outside of a raid and really hard to level / cant even farm stuff lol

rogues were actually hella bad in classic too, they got buffed several times because of this, does anyone remember this? Like they didnt used to even have good dual wield, or any way of dropping aggro, there was no decent weapons (they had to re-work burning rapier because the original version was like a 6/25 or something)

my only level 60 in classic was a rogue though and even though it felt really shitty to die to a hill giant i accidentally aggro'd and having to be terrified of every green mob in the game, i could literally ks entire groups

i was basically a kid so i was super immature and would just ks groups until they would invite me

i remember doing that woushi dragon or whatever in wakening lands with a pug and then accidentally disbanding from my group on purpose to ninja loot it, and i remember taking the crescent blades of luclin and pretending like they didnt drop and letting everyone roll on everything else lmao

i promise im not like this in 2023, i really dont even care about loot

people change a lot over t he course of 25 years

[Encroaching Death]

Rogues are godly in groups though.

But yeah, not being able to solo greens at 60 is laughable. Shit sucks.

[WokeCat]

they are over the top ngl, i love when im in karnors and i have 3 rogues in my group with epics + some other insane weapon they got with dkp lmao

but i think being a rogue for so long 20+ years ago has molded me into a cowardly player at times because i would literally die running through dreadlands after aggro'ing one of those spider hybrid chicks (they root + damage shield rekt me)

i look back now and im like man if i had just played any caster i prob would have seen the game a lot different because you can basically solo anything and just breeze through zones like its nbd

[Jimjam]

Rangers can be a great addition to a group if the player puts in 100% effort.

They're better pullers than Monks in outdoor zones.

They can CC or snag aggro in a pinch.

Their DPS is fine.

They can buff melee classes.

They're like Necros in groups. If they're played to their full potential, they can be impressive. But if not, they just kind of an afterthought that no one really seeks out.
Necro / Ranger duo ... 55+ and geared especially!

[Encroaching Death]

they are over the top ngl, i love when im in karnors and i have 3 rogues in my group with epics + some other insane weapon they got with dkp lmao

but i think being a rogue for so long 20+ years ago has molded me into a cowardly player at times because i would literally die running through dreadlands after aggro'ing one of those spider hybrid chicks (they root + damage shield rekt me)

i look back now and im like man if i had just played any caster i prob would have seen the game a lot different because you can basically solo anything and just breeze through zones like its nbd

This is true, I was the same way.

My first 60 char was also a Rogue and even though we get Sneak/Hide, playing one makes you overly cautious.

It wasn't until I played my Necro when I loosened up and felt more comfortable exploring, etc.

And when you get comfortable like that, you end up taking risks and learning how aggro works in the game.

Then you can go back and play your Rogue with that knowledge.

[Arvan]

The Harsh Truth: a lot of classes don't have a crucial role for Raiding outside of 1 or 2 abilities.

You forgot about eating DTs!

[Eyry]

Flame lick aggro was nerfd I think, which really screws up ranger utility imo

[Sizar]

Sounds like a terrible puller if someone is pulling singles in KC, such a waste of time

[Encroaching Death]

Necro / Ranger duo ... 55+ and geared especially!

I was in a group last night with an uber-twinked Necro.

Elder Beads + Shissar staff, etc.

Holy shit.

He pulled the entire dungeon. He healed everyone. Charmed a pet. Mana-free damaged every mob.

It was insane.

Then again, he was uber twinked, but still.

[Encroaching Death]

Sounds like a terrible puller if someone is pulling singles in KC, such a waste of time

Sometimes that's needed.

Not everyone is in a perfect, cookie cutter 6 man group.

[Snaggles]

Flame lick aggro was nerfd I think, which really screws up ranger utility imo

Sure, if you say so.

[Ripqozko]

Rangers are fine, they parse above monks (unless abashi) and right around/below rogues on raids.

/GU Aaryonar in 497s, 425k @855 | Shoeshineboy 31465@(66 in 472s) | Phillip 24982@(53 in 470s) | Scian 24574@(51 in 473s) | Ripqozko 21916@(50 in 435s) | Lisson 21106@(47 in 444s) | Pulz 20502@(44 in 461s) | Gatruk 20476@(46 in 436s) | Enviee 19119@(43 in 441s) | Cattiebree 18603@(42 in 436s) | Simorgh 16999@(36 in 461s) | Satsugai 16042@(37 in 426s) | Kushnada 15302@(32 in 475s) | Choamsky 15151@(38 in 392s) | Joraah 14458@(31 in 465s) | Zogaguk 13400@(30 in 440s)

my last aary fight, no bfg cause rooted, just straight cek sword.

[Toxigen]

Shissar staff

the real necro epic

[Encroaching Death]

Rangers are fine, they parse above monks

Say wha?

[Snaggles]

my last aary fight, no bfg cause rooted, just straight cek sword.

Our last LTK one of our rangers used a BFG. Short fight, about disc length. He still beat a lot of people and some monks.

Not to say using on a rooted mob is ideal but he beat me by like 400dmg as well. Yay RNG and prob a few nice crits.

[Ripqozko]

Say wha?

Look at the parse, pulz and gatruk are Monks, hope that helps.

[Lune]

My biggest failure in life is never getting sky cloak for my ranger

[Encroaching Death]

Look at the parse, pulz and gatruk are Monks, hope that helps.

Sure, maybe in that scenario.

But on average and in similar gear, Monks should do more damage than Rangers.

I've seen Knights parse higher than Rangers.

[Renault]

Look at the parse, pulz and gatruk are Monks, hope that helps.

We all now believe that rangers do more DPS than monks, praise be

[Ripqozko]

Sure, maybe in that scenario.

But on average and in similar gear, Monks should do more damage than Rangers.

I've seen Knights parse higher than Rangers.

Sorry you have bad rangers

/GU Hoshkar in 77s, 30k @385dps --- Ripqozko 6k @106dps --- Skew 5k @96dps --- Servicon 5k @84dps --- Knapsack 3k @59dps --- Trazzle 3k @58dps --- Orna 3k @45dps --- Naxi 2k @33dps --- Rikyr 1k @26dps --- Papaj 1k @21dps --- Nexii 0k @28dps

/GU King Tormax in 407s, 468k @1149 | Korakaz 49466@(124 in 397s) | A Drakkel Dire Wolf 35967@(93 in 385s) | Higgy 31546@(78 in 401s) | Yrros 30335@(77 in 391s) | Fivefinga 29923@(75 in 398s) | Rembyen 29518@(73 in 399s) | Ripqozko 27119@(67 in 401s) | Simorgh 25971@(65 in 394s) | Phillip 25590@(69 in 370s) | Barrdo 22213@(56 in 396s) | Kittla 22172@(56 in 394s) | Molf 19608@(53 in 364s) | Geniel 19314@(49 in 391s) | Ltjim 19108@(48 in 396s) | Enviee 14747@(37 in 397s)

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 209s, 174k @834 | Korakaz 25293@(125 in 201s) | Ltjim 20673@(105 in 196s) | Kittla 18462@(95 in 194s) | Ripqozko 15854@(80 in 196s) | Rembyen 15850@(77 in 204s) | Enviee 14966@(71 in 208s) | Shaolen 14027@(83 in 167s) | Gatruk 13222@(70 in 188s) | Barrdo 12883@(67 in 190s) | Kushnada 9532@(46 in 207s) | Choamsky 9322@(50 in 185s) | Garbonzos 3097@(18 in 171s) | Molf 1159@(55 in 21s) | Lilbuddy 53@(53 in 1s) | Vendayen 14@(14 in 1s)

[Renault]

This is legitimately funny and I can't wait to see more parses

[Ripqozko]

This is legitimately funny and I can't wait to see more parses

i mean i have like 5 years of them, sorry you have bad rangers

[xdrcfrx]

77 second hoshkar though. that must be from when push still worked.

[Ripqozko]

77 second hoshkar though. that must be from when push still worked.

yea i havent been in VP in 3-4 years, some the parses are newer, that one was old one.

[xdrcfrx]

still pretty legit, nice parse.

[Snaggles]

I've seen Knights parse higher than Rangers.

You have time to raid and post 1,000 times a month on the forums? Impressive.

[Encroaching Death]

You have time to raid and post 1,000 times a month on the forums? Impressive.

I also furiously masturbate

[MilanderTruewield]

Sorry you have bad rangers

/GU Hoshkar in 77s, 30k @385dps --- Ripqozko 6k @106dps --- Skew 5k @96dps --- Servicon 5k @84dps --- Knapsack 3k @59dps --- Trazzle 3k @58dps --- Orna 3k @45dps --- Naxi 2k @33dps --- Rikyr 1k @26dps --- Papaj 1k @21dps --- Nexii 0k @28dps

I really, really miss Rustle :/

[Cecily]

I think everyone who was a part of it does.

[Fllash]

I just miss Cecily.

[magnetaress]

i think out side of charm pets rangers are p good combination of sustained + burst dps when they wanna

[magnetaress]

also that DS is underrated for grinding greens

[Bardp1999]

Was in velks on my Necromancer duoing with a Epic Ranger this morning. We p much owned the zone between Ranjah slow proc, roots, rogue pet, and shadow bond. Think we killed 7 spiders at once at some point after a bad pull and doing the root line.

[Confit]

Was in velks on my Necromancer duoing with a Epic Ranger this morning. We p much owned the zone between Ranjah slow proc, roots, rogue pet, and shadow bond. Think we killed 7 spiders at once at some point after a bad pull and doing the root line.

These are my favorite types of exp sessions. Sometimes I want to de-level my necro just to have that fun again. Soloing KC basement and HS North/West was great exp but the off meta duos/trios/groups are way more fun.

[Toxigen]

These are my favorite types of exp sessions. Sometimes I want to de-level my necro just to have that fun again. Soloing KC basement and HS North/West was great exp but the off meta duos/trios/groups are way more fun.

Amen. Best XP session ever was epic / fungi / beads bard, epic / fungi / beads monk, and my fungi / epic rogue trio at slabs in Hole.

Sure, the gear helped, but those two players were ballin on a serious level of skill. We were all 56/57, never seen an XP bar move so fast at those levels.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Rangers suck.
Islanders rule.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Ya know, prove me wrong.

You can't. Stats aren't everything. There's more to a team than stats. There's character. There's strength of heart.

[Encroaching Death]

Rangers suck.
Islanders rule.

Lightning is better than both.

And we don't even know what the fuck a Hockey is down here in FL.

[skyfoxnz]

As an ench, I much preferred WAR/PAL/SK over RNG back in retail. I simply died a lot less with them. So if my memory servers me RNG tank was absolutely last resort. But RNG is just as tanky as other with all the high end gears in P99 so it doesn't matter. I would still prefer WAR/PAL/SK for Seb King group though. ;)

[Trelaboon]

Rangers aren’t bad and never have been. Totally unwarranted hate. It’s also one of the most fun classes in the game.

[Swish]

I don't know if she (the character's gender at least) is still floating around KC but there was an A1 puller I had on my enchanter 6-7 weeks ago and literally she just lined up the incomings and rooted everything despite me saying I was happy to mez/sort shit out.

It's like any class, if you see something played to its potential its great :)

[Encroaching Death]

Rangers can kill reds starting at level 1.

Loot one of those bows from SK and strafe kite reds to victory.