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WokeCat
01-09-2023, 04:49 PM
One of my friends just started playing P99 again after being away for over 20 years and he keeps telling me that the game is too hard because he has to meditate after every pull due to low wisdom.

In my experience, even with high wisdom, I have to meditate after every pull and I recover mana at the same rate as someone with low wisdom. Since most people don't regularly meditate to full mana, I don't think that the person with lower wisdom is going to be dramatically less efficient at killing mobs than the person with higher wisdom.

I've also played a Gnome Cleric alongside a High Elf Cleric who had dramatically more mana than me, and we were both constantly OOM and recovering mana at the same rate, and it quickly became apparent that we had roughly the same casting/healing prowess in a grouping situation where neither of us would ever be afforded the opportunity to meditate for longer than 5 minutes.

I also stole my Iksar Necromancer's gear to give to another character I play and then proceeded to log back onto the Iksar Necromancer and farm the same camp I've always farmed while completely naked and I really couldn't tell much of a difference at all.

Additionally, in some situations where I'm solo'ing and I'm never going to be able to meditate passed 50% mana, I've found that having higher armor gear is more useful than having wisdom gear that doesn't really do anything outside of situations where you are full mana.

Not attacking anyone, nor am I saying wisdom gear is useless. There are plenty of situations where having more mana would have made solo'ing easier (going OOM killing 2 treants and not being able to recover enough mana to keep up with respawns was frustrating since I saw better geared Shamans be able to kill them 2-3 times before going OOM).

But I don't think having high wisdom is super critical to leveling a new character. Especially since most Wisdom characters can heal, and the majority of the melees on P99 are super geared, so they generally require very little healing and it feels like they just invite most healers as a safety precaution rather than an actual requirement.

Again, I'm not attacking anyone, and I'm sure a lot of people do disagree with me, but it's frustrating how many people don't seem to realize that having a lot of Wisdom, Intelligence, or +Mana gear isn't going to dramatically impact their ability to play this game. I feel like melees could make a much stronger argument for why being under-geared is negatively impacting their ability to the play the game.

In closing, I want to state that Gnome is still the best race for Cleric despite having less Wisdom than Trolls.

Ripqozko
01-09-2023, 04:54 PM
Are you posting more because someone made a thread slandering you? if so, you can stop. Hope that helped.

Lune
01-09-2023, 04:55 PM
Ancient wisdom few P99ers seem to grasp even now, far in the future.

Lune
01-09-2023, 04:59 PM
However there are some situations where that higher max mana is useful; any time you are spiking from 100 to nothing or little, such as quadding, raiding, or challenging group content in which, yes, you are regenerating mana at the same rate as anyone else, but you have a much larger reserve for when shit hits the fan. Also for the many people who solo afk, burn their mana bar killings mobs, then med while they watch their show or jerk off or whatever.

That said, for some classes, HP provides greater benefit than the benefits of that mana reserve, and in more situations that count.

Encroaching Death
01-09-2023, 04:59 PM
Gear doesn't scale as well for Casters like it does for Melee classes.

But even then, it doesn't help Melee classes much either.

I was complaining earlier about purchasing my Monk a Fungi Tunic, Seahorse Haste Belt, and very good/top tier weapons and I could barely even notice a difference.

I basically wasted my time grinding out that plat because I bought into the hype.

magnetaress
01-09-2023, 05:07 PM
Charisma>agility >dex

Basically those are the only truly important stats.

And MR )

Encroaching Death
01-09-2023, 05:16 PM
Charisma>agility >dex

Basically those are the only truly important stats.

And MR )

255 Charisma + Max Begging Skill = best way to make money in the game

WokeCat
01-09-2023, 05:22 PM
Are you posting more because someone made a thread slandering you? if so, you can stop. Hope that helped.

Nah, I'm actually pacing myself. I was posting more before that happened. I already have threads planned that I want to make, but I'll purposefully wait a couple of days.

One thing interesting I've recently realized as a Troll Shaman is that everyone talks about how bad Iksar Shamans are because they don't have access to the JBB, but I think another thing people completely over-look is the fact that Iksar Shamans don't commonly have access to an OT Hammer either. (I say commonly because I've heard there are tricks with Puppet strings, but I don't consider this realistic as I have many friends who spend days farming the braids despite being relatively well-funded players).

But as someone who just got their OT hammer for the first time, it's already been a major game-changer for me, and makes me realize I may never want to play another character who doesn't have moderately easy access to the item. I may just make that thread on Reddit though since I've already spoiler alerted the thesis just now.

Lampolo
01-09-2023, 05:48 PM
All this logic is going to get someone upset. You can't be having unverified opinions either. Where's your data and studies? Are you a computer scientist? Mr know-it-all

Encroaching Death
01-09-2023, 05:51 PM
But as someone who just got their OT hammer for the first time, it's already been a major game-changer for me, and makes me realize I may never want to play another character who doesn't have moderately easy access to the item.

May I introduce you to our lord and savior, Necromancer?

Lampolo
01-09-2023, 05:52 PM
Oh I forgot to ask. Why is gnome best Cleric? I was planning on making a Cleric if new server ever comes out I settled on human but never too feel too sure

magnetaress
01-09-2023, 05:57 PM
Halfling actually. Gnome is p gud tho

Jimjam
01-09-2023, 06:15 PM
All this logic is going to get someone upset. You can't be having unverified opinions either. Where's your data and studies? Are you a computer scientist? Mr know-it-all

They won me over with their charisma.

Jimjam
01-09-2023, 06:16 PM
Oh I forgot to ask. Why is gnome best Cleric? I was planning on making a Cleric if new server ever comes out I settled on human but never too feel too sure

Human Innoruuk dark elf simp?

WokeCat
01-09-2023, 07:14 PM
Oh I forgot to ask. Why is gnome best Cleric? I was planning on making a Cleric if new server ever comes out I settled on human but never too feel too sure

TBH for the following reasons:

1) Gnomes look the coolest

https://i.ibb.co/HHWmjv0/Fashion-velious-gnome.jpg

Even their regular plate armor looks amazing. Especially the purple set from Plane of Hate.

[/img]https://i.ibb.co/S6rkBjy/500px-Golden-efreeti-armor-gnome.png[/img]

Even as a non-twink you will be able to unlock the ninja helmet via the Scarab quest at fairly low level. (https://wiki.project1999.com/Scarab_Armor_Quests)

2) Gnomes have super neutral faction. My Gnome cleric was able to regularly bank in Neriak while hunting in Solusek B, while all of the lesser races had to run all the way to Freeport. (Don't hunt in Crushbone with your Gnome Cleric because it will make you KOS with the Warrior's guild in Neriak, which you can avoid, but it's a really bad feeling to take a wrong corner and suddenly get attacked by an entire guild).

As a Gnome Cleric you will be non-KOS in Firiona Vie, Paineel and OverThere.

3) Gnomes can see through walls. Since Clerics don't really get invisibility this can be useful to look through a wall, see what is there and then /target the mob to lull it. Not to mention the fact that Clerics spend most of their time sitting down meditating. Being able to spy on other groups is good entertainment. I remember watching people wipe at Efreeti while sitting safely at the Kobold Royals camp in Sol B.

4) Gnomes have low wisdom, so when you meditate, it really feels like you're doing something. You can actually see your mana bar actively moving.

5) People will respect you a lot more if you're a gnome. Women will be more likely to want to date you because of your obvious level of sophistication and suave that the other races simply don't have (whose going to date a high elf or dwarf, let's keep it real).

6) Being small is awesome and it makes the game feel like you're running really fast. When you swap over to a big race after playing a Gnome the game suddenly feels really bad.

7) Gnomes have lower charisma, which will insure that your lulls are more likely to get critically resisted, which in turn, will make the game more exciting to play.

WokeCat
01-09-2023, 07:15 PM
https://i.ibb.co/S6rkBjy/500px-Golden-efreeti-armor-gnome.png

https://i.ibb.co/S6rkBjy/500px-Golden-efreeti-armor-gnome.png

Ugh I messed this up real bad, but I was too excited to make my point before someone else chimed in.

PatChapp
01-09-2023, 09:32 PM
Gnomes never need a shrink.

Lampolo
01-09-2023, 11:03 PM
TBH for the following reasons:

1) Gnomes look the coolest

https://i.ibb.co/HHWmjv0/Fashion-velious-gnome.jpg

Even their regular plate armor looks amazing. Especially the purple set from Plane of Hate.

[/img]https://i.ibb.co/S6rkBjy/500px-Golden-efreeti-armor-gnome.png[/img]

Even as a non-twink you will be able to unlock the ninja helmet via the Scarab quest at fairly low level. (https://wiki.project1999.com/Scarab_Armor_Quests)

2) Gnomes have super neutral faction. My Gnome cleric was able to regularly bank in Neriak while hunting in Solusek B, while all of the lesser races had to run all the way to Freeport. (Don't hunt in Crushbone with your Gnome Cleric because it will make you KOS with the Warrior's guild in Neriak, which you can avoid, but it's a really bad feeling to take a wrong corner and suddenly get attacked by an entire guild).

As a Gnome Cleric you will be non-KOS in Firiona Vie, Paineel and OverThere.

3) Gnomes can see through walls. Since Clerics don't really get invisibility this can be useful to look through a wall, see what is there and then /target the mob to lull it. Not to mention the fact that Clerics spend most of their time sitting down meditating. Being able to spy on other groups is good entertainment. I remember watching people wipe at Efreeti while sitting safely at the Kobold Royals camp in Sol B.

4) Gnomes have low wisdom, so when you meditate, it really feels like you're doing something. You can actually see your mana bar actively moving.

5) People will respect you a lot more if you're a gnome. Women will be more likely to want to date you because of your obvious level of sophistication and suave that the other races simply don't have (whose going to date a high elf or dwarf, let's keep it real).

6) Being small is awesome and it makes the game feel like you're running really fast. When you swap over to a big race after playing a Gnome the game suddenly feels really bad.

7) Gnomes have lower charisma, which will insure that your lulls are more likely to get critically resisted, which in turn, will make the game more exciting to play.

Thank you

Jobaber
01-09-2023, 11:04 PM
haha this is hard I have to take a shower every day??

Jobaber
01-09-2023, 11:04 PM
Amazing golden gnome.

aussenseiter
01-10-2023, 12:41 AM
Halfling actually. Gnome is p gud tho

Smoofers
01-10-2023, 12:51 AM
Imagine not knowing this basic knowledge in 2023

magnetaress
01-10-2023, 09:39 AM
haha this is hard I have to take a shower every day??

not really :p

Toxigen
01-10-2023, 01:48 PM
The only thing that matters is fashion and Flowing Thought.

Encroaching Death
01-10-2023, 02:21 PM
I haven't logged on in 2 days and it feels amazing

loramin
01-10-2023, 04:20 PM
The only thing that matters is fashion and Flowing Thought.

* and other forms of Regen (Fungi Tunic matters) and clickies (epics matter) ... but otherwise I endorse this statement.

Chortles Snortles
01-10-2023, 04:24 PM
https://i.imgur.com/6URy9OC.png

Toxigen
01-10-2023, 04:41 PM
https://i.imgur.com/6URy9OC.png

bruh...wat

Jimjam
01-10-2023, 05:52 PM
The lion dog thing really needs improvement. Lets the piece down.

Encroaching Death
01-10-2023, 05:54 PM
The lion dog thing really needs improvement. Lets the piece down.

Yeah, for real. What's going on with its eye?

Chortles Snortles
01-10-2023, 05:59 PM
https://i.imgur.com/JR5Jjf1.png

Jimjam
01-10-2023, 06:36 PM
Perfection. Bear makes far more sense for the composition.

3 bears = Goldilocks = just right!