P99 Classic vs Original Classic

[Gugg]

P99 Classic

- Professional traders in EC tunnel (EC tunnel is more like wall street or the goldman sachs HQ)
- Level 1 Twinks with the best items (including NTOV loot)
- Wiki full of spoilers, step by step guides, personal opinion, unverified data and item price dictation
- Min/max mentality (in a max/min game, ironically)
- Advance knowledge of camps, drops, patches, bugs, exploits, changes, etc before server launch
- Advance warning of server launch
- Porting corporation/monopoly (Dial A Port)
- Full epics for sale
- No duels
- Everybody you see is playing solo in their own little bubble
- Lack of spontaneity
- Nobody says DING
- Everybody that speaks in /ooc is already an expert
- Emulated code
- Digital download
- No subscription fee
- No Verant/SOE
- No original devs
- No castersrealm

Original Classic

- None of the above

Warning: the losers who are stating classic = objective term are the same losers who are stating everything = subjective. You will know who these petty losers are because they use deceitful words like "racist" and "misogynist" (childish name calling, point scoring) to make themselves look intelligent and caring. These hypocritical losers claim chaos is king yet if you train them or take their mob/raid slot they will call the police to have you banished.

[Bardp1999]

P99 Classic
- Level 1 Twinks with the best items (including NTOV loot)


Can't get i NTOV at level 1 so I disregarded your entire post, hope you find help IRL and stop raiding

[Ennewi]

P99 Classic

[QUOTE=Gugg;3552781]
- Wiki full of spoilers, step by step guides, personal opinion, unverified data and item price dictation

All of it entirely optional. If ignorance is bliss, abstain from using it entirely.


- Min/max mentality (in a max/min game, ironically)

Undermined by fashionquest.


- Advance knowledge of camps, drops, patches, bugs, exploits, changes, etc before server launch

Subject to change, whether on purpose or accident, thanks to continued updates aiming to preserve the spirit of classic.


- Porting corporation/monopoly (Dial A Port)

It's still a shame Tell-A-Port never took off. But on a server that has, on occasion, seen quite low pop numbers it's helped stave off demands for translocators.


- Full epics for sale

Not equipable anymore until level 46.


- No duels

Several guilds host arena fights. Also, duels also still happen when people need to hammer. The recipient of the beating tends to take the opportunity to fuck with the other person somehow, not just slowing to help them proc. I like trying to disarm them; did it to a dwarf outside of ToV the other month, twice in a row.


- Everybody you see is playing solo in their own little bubble

Treating an old MMO like an RPG can make it more classic, esp if you cut yourself off from buffs, cheap gear, etc.


- Lack of spontaneity

Quakes, GM illusion bombs, and xp bonuses.


- Nobody says DING

Some still do on occasion, esp at low levels, and receive grats. More rare are shouts announcing the arrival of the boat.


- Everybody that speaks in /ooc is already an expert

Experts arguing with each other over which is the best shaman race, warrior main/offhand for aggro, etc.


- No subscription fee

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$9.89/mo

[Gugg]

Can't get i NTOV at level 1 so I disregarded your entire post, hope you find help IRL and stop raiding

https://zam.zamimg.com/images/9/d/9dec578977e544a8d633eaa237c1df52.jpg

[Gugg]

Ennewi's Quotes...

Regarding the "Wiki"

All of it entirely optional. If ignorance is bliss, abstain from using it entirely.

It's not optional when every player is checking Wiki for prices. It's like telling me bad news is optional in a world which revolves around bad news. It's not optional, it's mandatory.

Ther was NO WIKI in the original classic.

Min/max

Undermined by fashionquest.

On P99, money making > eyepatch.

That's why there is an entire guild DEDICATED to porting for plat. It wasn't like that in Original Classic, there was no Dial A Port, everybody was too busy having fun making new friends grouping.

There's an entire industry on P99 dedicated to selling Jboots MQ for 5kpp. Real players can't get their own pair of Jboots on P99 the old fashioned way like they could in the ORIGINAL classic era...there's too much competition from commercial sellers camping the zone. This selfish business mentality destroys classic.

Advance knowledge of the game prior to P99 launching

Subject to change, whether on purpose or accident, thanks to continued updates aiming to preserve the spirit of classic.

In Original Classic, players didn't have advance knowledge of what was to come. It was all new to everybody. Advance knowledge destroys the spirit of classic. Some players on P99 have used this advanced knowledge to permanently corner the market and make a name for themselves.

Epics for sale

Not equipable anymore until level 46.

Irrelevant. Players in Original Classic didn't buy epics.

Duels

Several guilds host arena fights. Also, duels also still happen when people need to hammer. The recipient of the beating tends to take the opportunity to fuck with the other person somehow, not just slowing to help them proc. I like trying to disarm them; did it to a dwarf outside of ToV the other month, twice in a row.

Duels in EC tunnels don't exist like they did in the original classic era. EC tunnel is pure business, there's no fun going on there.


Everybody playing solo

Treating an old MMO like an RPG can make it more classic, esp if you cut yourself off from buffs, cheap gear, etc.

In Original Classic, everybody grouped and loved it. They didn't play in a bubble.

Lack of spontaneity

Quakes, GM illusion bombs, and xp bonuses.

Players in Orignal Classic were more carefree and spontaneous. Players on P99 are very serious and business-like. P99 is a business orientated environment and business has no heart.

Regarding DING

Some still do on occasion, esp at low levels, and receive grats. More rare are shouts announcing the arrival of the boat.

Some...as in somebody once in a blue moon and nobody responds anyway.

The lack of boat shouts on P99 is proof players are less caring in P99 Classic. It was definatley friendlier in the original classic. There was more humanity. P99 lacks humanity.

Everybody's An Expert

Experts arguing with each other over which is the best shaman race, warrior main/offhand for aggro, etc.

Attention seekers and drama queens argue, real experts agree.

No monthly fee

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$9.89/mo

I never used PayPal during classic. PayPal sucks. Will I get race & class fixes aswell as AA's for my subscription fee?

[Andyman1022]

We need @DSM and @Loramin to chime in here please.

[Gugg]

We need @DSM and @Loramin to chime in here please.

Loramin ain't original classic, neither is his innacurate wiki.

I am, I was there. I camped my epics, I grouped, I raided, as it unfolded in real-time, and without Loramin's wiki to teach me parrot fashion how tie my own shoe laces.

I learned on the go, and discovered things for myself just like we all did. We spoke in-game and had fun together, we didn't sit on Discordd waiting for a sale to come through.

There wasn't anybody back then telling us to check the wiki like there is today.

[Encroaching Death]

I remember my friend twinking his brand new DE warrior in 1999.

A full suit of Bronze armor and an Executioner's Axe.

I was in awe and he looked amazing.

[Gugg]

I remember my friend twinking his brand new DE warrior in 1999.

A full suit of Bronze armor and an Executioner's Axe.

I was in awe and he looked amazing.

Full rubicite was considred godly back then.

On P99 though, I killed some brutes for gems and purchased an item which drops from a L62 mob so now my low level Ranger has a Frostbringer which isn't supposed to happen.

I mean, it's fun being a low level twink with a weapon beyond my reach but it ain't classic. Commercial sellers dedicating their life to killing high value targets for profit isn't classic...that's exploitation of advanced knowledge.

[Encroaching Death]

I mean, it's fun being a low level twink with a weapon beyond my reach but it ain't classic..

Lower Guk is beyond the reach of a level 1 Dark Elf Warrior.

That was in 1999. I believe that was Classic era.

[Jimjam]

When I was active on Blue we were just giving Frostbringers away. Very easy to just kill a bunch of dragons for head to replace it.

[Chortles Snortles]

diD U evEN rEAd tHe WiKi?
(lol)

[Gugg]

Lower Guk is beyond the reach of a level 1 Dark Elf Warrior.

Not if you have a main capable of soloing or grouping Lower Guk.

[Encroaching Death]

Not if you have a main capable of soloing or grouping Lower Guk.

Could you not access Velious content during Classic era?

[Snaggles]

Congrats on understanding how time works. We don’t have to crank cars to start them either.

[Gugg]

Congrats on understanding how time works. We don’t have to crank cars to start them either.

Then don't call classic. It's false advertising.

[unsunghero]

One thing I miss from classic were the players outside every major city begging any high level looking player in /tells for spare coins. Really gave the game sort of a real word vibe with them as the local homeless

One thing I like about P99 is enchanter charm never fades. I can log out, come back the next day and still have something charmed. Thanks devs, will send more $ soon

[Gugg]

One thing I miss from classic were the players outside every major city begging any high level looking player in /tells for spare coins. Really gave the game sort of a real word vibe with them as the local homeless

One thing I like about P99 is enchanter charm never fades. I can log out, come back the next day and still have something charmed. Thanks devs, will send more $ soon

The greatest thing about the early days is that it was a brand new experience and people were more genuine.

There was no guild full of druids dedicated to making money. That is an alien concept when it comes to classic gameplay.

[Encroaching Death]

There was no guild full of druids dedicated to making money. That is an alien concept when it comes to classic gameplay.

Classic Everquest had guilds like "Legion of the Little Folk" which only invited Dwarves, Halflings, or Gnomes.

So there were definitely joke/special guilds out there. It's not like people didn't communicate or have fun with each other.

[Gugg]

Classic Everquest had guilds like "Legion of the Little Folk" which only invited Dwarves, Halflings, or Gnomes.

So there were definitely joke/special guilds out there. It's not like people didn't communicate or have fun with each other.

Roleplay is classic because roleplay is fun.

Dial A Port isn't roleplay. It's a business operation. Dial A Port is Goldman Sachs not an adventurer. It just wants money, that's all, just like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do.

[Jimjam]

Role playing having a job is pretty adventurous.

[loramin]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium

[Encroaching Death]

Roleplay is classic because roleplay is fun.

Dial A Port isn't roleplay. It's a business operation. Dial A Port is Goldman Sachs not an adventurer. It just wants money, that's all, just like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do.

Aren't we all faking it at our jobs though?

More than half of the IT industry suffers from 'Impostor Syndrome', for example.

[Jimjam]

Aren't we all faking it at our jobs though?

More than half of the IT industry suffers from 'Impostor Syndrome', for example.

Misconception. You can’t actually suffer from imposter syndrome if you are actually an imposter.

[Croco]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium

At this point p99 isn't a "classic" server. It's just a custom server like the dozens of other custom eq servers that exist. The dev promise that they would strive to always make the server more classic was broken a long long time ago.

[Encroaching Death]

Misconception. You can’t actually suffer from imposter syndrome if you are actually an imposter.

https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/d6a/dc7/4a5001b7beea096457f480c8808572428b-09-roll-safe.rsquare.w700.jpg

[Jimjam]

At this point p99 isn't a "classic" server. It's just a custom server like the dozens of other custom eq servers that exist. The dev promise that they would strive to always make the server more classic was broken a long long time ago.

I’m gonna strawman you as saying “devs are ruining Everquest “. If you think about it that would actually be pretty classic.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Anyone who does not top their list with "There is a yellow bar. It's significance has been removed from this version of the game. Ponder this." does not get that p99 is already a well- and vigorously nerf bopped game.
/consent? License to be a thief.

Those two, just right there. If you use titanium's version of eq, which p99 does, the game is already more nerf bopped than a hooker in a ball pit. Re-implement and re-think how to exploit endurance.



Unless you really like ball pits, p99 is not the original game. Not much is! Primal nerf bat!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I mean, do some work. Make a new server, and try to re-implement endurance up through Velious. I would play on that. Endurance disappearing was the first sign, these folks are gonna just keep gimping this thing.

[Raj]

Can't get i NTOV at level 1 so I disregarded your entire post, hope you find help IRL and stop raiding

In all fairness, there have probably been at least a handful of characters or more wearing ToV loot that have been deleveled to level 1 to re-level as virtual EQ gods to be the ultimate P99 twinks. Lol

Stay strong my friends! It's almost the weekend! :cool:

[Raj]

PS if raid loots or epics arent equippable anymore at level 1, they certainly were for years and years on the Beta(Blue) server.

[WokeCat]

I think this might be one of the reasons that Monks seem so OP on P99. 20 years ago Luclin and PoP came out super fast, so you probably didn't have a lot of Monks with Fungi Tunics or Haste Items. It felt like most monk mains (I had a high level Monk as one of my main characters) were too poor to afford any decent loot really. But I just never felt tanky, which is why I ultimately mained a Rogue.

I still think P99 may have Monk's tankiness wrong though because I remember leveling with Bebquix during the early days of P99 Green and they were wearing cloth armor and had no haste item or jewelry and were able to main tank pretty much 1-50. (I was their healer; me and Bebquix aren't the same person). On my Monk I never felt like a Tank, in the moments where our tanks would DC I would be lucky not to die trying to tank a single mob, and I was kind of a twink, had Frolok Crown, Azure Sleeves, Granite Bracer, Gatorscale Leggings, FBSS etc. during a time period where that gear was still fairly renowned.

IDK.

[Encroaching Death]

I personally never understood the whole "Monks are OP" claim.

My Monk has a Fungi Tunic, Seahorse haste, solid HP/AC gear, T-Staff, etc and I can barely solo to save my life.

I dunno, maybe I'm just expecting too much out of the little guy.

[Bardp1999]

In all fairness, there have probably been at least a handful of characters or more wearing ToV loot that have been deleveled to level 1 to re-level as virtual EQ gods to be the ultimate P99 twinks. Lol

Stay strong my friends! It's almost the weekend! :cool:

You can only delevel to 4 not 1

[Bardp1999]

PS if raid loots or epics arent equippable anymore at level 1, they certainly were for years and years on the Beta(Blue) server.

You cant cross into certain Velious zones until level 5

[Raj]

You cant cross into certain Velious zones until level 5

But 60s cant be deleveled to 4. Thank your for the correction on that. 4 is pretty close to 1! :cool:

[Raj]

CAN* be

[mycoolrausch]

I personally never understood the whole "Monks are OP" claim.

My Monk has a Fungi Tunic, Seahorse haste, solid HP/AC gear, T-Staff, etc and I can barely solo to save my life.

I dunno, maybe I'm just expecting too much out of the little guy.

They're like warriors. Except they do twice the dps. Can Heal themselves on a short cooldown. And solo pull any mob they want.

This is the end result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYSZav1H0CY

[Encroaching Death]

They're like warriors. Except they do twice the dps. Can Heal themselves on a short cooldown. And solo pull any mob they want.

This is the end result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYSZav1H0CY

I dunno, maybe my Monk is cursed.

[aussenseiter]

They're like warriors. Except they do twice the dps. Can Heal themselves on a short cooldown. And solo pull any mob they want.

This is the end result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYSZav1H0CY

Is block too good or AC softcap too high?

[spiritsofrock]

Where is the “y’all need Jesus” guy when you need him

[magnetaress]

parry, riposte and dodge, are def not classic here

[Jimjam]

parry, riposte and dodge, are def not classic here

The client we use is form Depths of Darkhollow (a very cool idea for a new area to explore), that is 2006, with a level cap of 70! When was the code that eqemu was based on leaked (which p99 forks off)?

We are all aware there were several tweaks, revamps and overhauls of combat mechanics, skills, caps and formula between the tail end of Velious and this time.

It is my suggestion that the efficiency of the skills related to dodge, parry, riposte and so on were calibrated for a max level of 50. To project continually improved returns from these skills for caps at levels 60, 65 and beyond using the original formulas must have been too effective. NPCs may struggle too land any blows if those skills were too good.

We know it to be the case these skills became too effective, as 'strikethrough' (which gave a chance to bypass those skills) was added to the game. I suggest, on top of adding strike though there were alterations to formulae for the efficacy of these skills to alter how they scaled.

In short I acknowledge you may have a point on this one Agneta.

[loramin]

We know for certain (because people far less lazy than myself have done classic research and provided evidence) that channeling is unclassic here.

Fixing it would likely make Enchanters (and Shaman, and others) far more classic, so let's hope that happens ... someday.

(Nilbog's had the evidence for a while now, but I'm sure it's not an easy fix.)

[Encroaching Death]

Computers weren't around in Classic, so naturally this server is CONFIRMED Not Classic.

[Encroaching Death]

We know for certain (because people far less lazy than myself have done classic research and provided evidence) that channeling is unclassic here.

Fixing it would likely make Enchanters (and Shaman, and others) far more classic, so let's hope that happens ... someday.

(Nilbog's had the evidence for a while now, but I'm sure it's not an easy fix.)

Why do the "fixes" only go in one direction?

People just love to nerf others, it's obvious.

[Rygar]

Why do the "fixes" only go in one direction?

People just love to nerf others, it's obvious.

All games are made easier and less challenging overtime, WoW is a great example. By nature things will just get harder if you start out playing the watered down version of the game.

Seeing butthurts cry about it on their free game where the stated goal is literally to recreate the original game is undoubtedly enjoyable. Wont lie about it

[Chortles Snortles]

yeah guys just read the wiki
(lol)

[Gugg]

When I first played EQ, pet classes had to do at least 1 point of damage to the mob to get full XP.

I don't remember a 51% damage rule.

It's one of the worst nerfs I've seen so far, especially for Mages.

[Robot]

P99 Classic

- Professional traders in EC tunnel (EC tunnel is more like wall street or the goldman sachs HQ)


This is patently untrue as there was several well known "professional traders" like this on The Rathe back in classic, and the tunnel then on that server wasn't much different than green's is now, item links aside.

Did not continue reading rest of post after seeing how wrong the very first point was.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Why do the "fixes" only go in one direction?

People just love to nerf others, it's obvious.


Making channeling more reliable, less interrupts, less fizzles, and other issues being recalled here, they were what were nerfed.


Nerfing here, means making the game easier. Later on it came to mean changing the game so something wasn't overpowering, like the Whithered Twig fiasco. SO nerf. It has two meanings. One means to make easier. The other means to make less powerful.


In the olden days, it was a shower of nerfs in the first sense. I still say endurance was like a neutron bomb. It killed every form of life but left every structure standing intact as if nothing had changed. ELE. Now we all pretend we aren't all living a total lie. A fiction. A mockery. We are all dead. We have no endurance, yet we live. How does that which not endure, live?



Oh. I eventually can't jump up and down or walk. Encumbrance mechanism is not endurance. Endurance should make autorun unwise if in a dangerous zone. Unless you are a small race.



It stands to reason those tiny little legs can just keep going.

[magnetaress]

Making channeling more reliable, less interrupts, less fizzles, and other issues being recalled here, they were what were nerfed.


Nerfing here, means making the game easier. Later on it came to mean changing the game so something wasn't overpowering, like the Whithered Twig fiasco. SO nerf. It has two meanings. One means to make easier. The other means to make less powerful.


In the olden days, it was a shower of nerfs in the first sense. I still say endurance was like a neutron bomb. It killed every form of life but left every structure standing intact as if nothing had changed. ELE. Now we all pretend we aren't all living a total lie. A fiction. A mockery. We are all dead. We have no endurance, yet we live. How does that which not endure, live?



Oh. I eventually can't jump up and down or walk. Encumbrance mechanism is not endurance. Endurance should make autorun unwise if in a dangerous zone. Unless you are a small race.



It stands to reason those tiny little legs can just keep going.

💯

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

edit: Moss covered Twig fiasco. Hey you kids, get off my yard trash.

[Toxigen]

clearly op read the wiki

[long.liam]

Classic is kind of a Vague term anyway. At what point in timeline is EQ still considered "Classic"? The original game, no Kunark? Kunark? Velious? Which Patch? What about Hot fixes? Temporary Bugs? What day? What Hour is EQ still classic? Things were changing so often, that there is no to tell perfectly how the game was actually functioning to perfect accuracy at anytime. P99 is good enough to be considered classic. Perfect reproduction of everything is unnecessary and not really possible at this point. The original source code is lost to time. All they have available to rebuild the original "Classic" game is random anecdotes from players at the time, patch notes, and the few developer comments. It's also kind of a strange rant. There may not have been a wiki and all the other stuff you listed, but people still shared information online as it became available. If "Classic" means perfect reproduction of some arbitrarily defined point in the development timeline and the web as it existed in time, then "Classic" is impossible to create. This seems more like a troll rant.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The original game


yes. For the purposes of this thread, clearly yes. p99 is "as close as one can get" is more a concession than a statement of what is possible.


So, we got this vision, this no cats on the moon vision. We've now got two servers of it. To beguile my leisure, I need to go back further. Trying to imagine what EQ could have been if stamina/endurance had not been nerfed is a noble cause, and potential future for this so-called project 1999.



Weapons, fight length, haste and speed buffs, should all interact with this missing mechanic. The fact is this entire path of game mechanics (stamina, the stat STA, and endurance) got neglected early on, finally jettisoned into the junkheap in 2003, and it still sits there on the interface. Yellow bar. Why not try to calculate how to fold it into the now-established "classic" of p99? A true un-nerfing. It would mean doing something with a foundational rpg feature, that the original game had, did not spend time on.


We need young blood to nourish the Archons, however. And we cannot afford any.

[Tunabros]

sounds like technology happened

OP must be at least 70+ years old

[magnetaress]

https://i.imgur.com/x6DsYuJ.jpeg

Daddy ... what a pretty dress for your elf maiden. :o

[Gugg]

URL: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magi_P%60Tasa

This page reads like a personal blog from an agony aunt and mind reader.

"...Like any rare drop, the RNG can make this extremely rare so don't get discouraged if you don't get the staff right away...for the more hardcore players who couldn't acquire a Staff during the classic era, you can one group Magi if you know what you're doing. He is even soloable by enchanters, much to the dismay of most players. This route is problematic, and I'm not going to go into detail on this, because I feel that farm crews ruin this awful grind and make it worse than it should be. If you're serious, and you have friends who are skilled, you can definitely kill mini's with small crews. Be aware of the server rules, and your reputation if you decide to go this route."

URL: https://wiki.project1999.com/Klandicar

This page was written by a comedian.

"Klandicar suffers from clinical depression"

[Gugg]

sounds like technology happened

OP must be at least 70+ years old

P99 stops evolving after a few short years so it's permanently stuck in the stone age.

Hint: You should be playing retail with that progressive mentality of yours.

[Danth]

URL: https://wiki.project1999.com/Klandicar

This page was written by a comedian.

"Klandicar suffers from clinical depression"

Funny, but perhaps accurate: Talk to Klandicar sometime. He's not exactly the optimist.

[Gugg]

I remember during the original era, groups of players in OT leveling. On P99 it's either L60's passing through to farm or porters selling ports.

It was more organic back in the day, thiis P99 experience feels very artificial.

[Chortles Snortles]

FALSE
i see handfuls of trios scattered around OT walls, i used to XP like this on Live too

[Gugg]

Funny, but perhaps accurate: Talk to Klandicar sometime. He's not exactly the optimist.

So you're saying that Klandicar has a mental health disorder therefore he's depressed, unmotivated, has low self esteem and thoughts of suicide and that he needs medication and talk therapy? And it's true because some retard wrote it on a wiki...

It sounds like somebody wants me to think that being unoptimistic about unoptimistic things means you have a mental problem not a legit concern. There's that evil bias again.

Well, if you're gonna bring science into Norrath then why not politics too and label him as a right wing racist.

[Gugg]

FALSE
i see handfuls of trios scattered around OT walls, i used to XP like this on Live too

Full groups bac in the day, not the odd silent trio.

There was a lot of conversation in /ooc in OT. The only /ooc you hear these days is "PORTING FOR PLAT FROM HH, THIS MESSAGE IS SPONSORED BY DIAL A PORT".

[Arvan]

agree the "classic everquest" claim that you see under project 1999 needs to be removed ASAP because it is false advertising

It is a good custom server and i have fun here but classic everquest it definitely is not

[Dolalin]

I saw a lot of classic Everquest. I spent two years deep-diving into web archives, reading user stories and fishing out obscure facts to try to piece together a dead zone that only existed for 8 months.

Classic EQ was a period of time. And people miss that period of time more than the game itself. The game itself was half-finished, frustrating, grinding, buggy, chaotic, laggy, and full of assholes.

[loramin]

This page reads like a personal blog from an agony aunt and mind reader.

...

This page was written by a comedian.

If only there was a way someone could improve the wiki ...

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/JR5Jjf1.png

[Gugg]

If only there was a way someone could improve the wiki ...

By deleting somebody elses stuff?

[Gugg]

I saw a lot of classic Everquest. I spent two years deep-diving into web archives, reading user stories and fishing out obscure facts to try to piece together a dead zone that only existed for 8 months.

Classic EQ was a period of time. And people miss that period of time more than the game itself. The game itself was half-finished, frustrating, grinding, buggy, chaotic, laggy, and full of assholes.

The retail vrsion still existing is miraculous considering the company profits from harming its own players, nowadays it's time thinking up destructive ways to make more money.

EQ players must enjoy being treated like door mats, or they have nothing else to do in life. or they are addicts, or they feel weak and EQ creates an illusion of power..

Either way they are being taken advantage of.

[loramin]

By deleting somebody elses stuff?

Yes, if that stuff doesn't belong. Or better yet you could replace what they wrote with more wiki-appropriate content that still conveys whatever information the original poster was trying to convey.

The ultimate goal is to make the wiki better for everyone; and if your edit will do that (even if it means removing something that doesn't belong) then you should make it.

[Gugg]

EQ is a universe in which everybody in it is trying to speed up time (so it can't be that enjoyable can it?).

Everybody except the original dev that is, who is busy slowing everybody down.

Player - mob
Dev = shaman

[Gugg]

Yes, if that stuff doesn't belong. Or better yet you could replace what they wrote with more wiki-appropriate content that still conveys whatever information the original poster was trying to convey.

The ultimate goal is to make the wiki better for everyone; and if your edit will do that (even if it means removing something that doesn't belong) then you should make it.

But then somebody can delete my stuff ater I deleted somebody elses stuff. Who decides whars right and wrong? Who decides whats appropriate?

[Chortles Snortles]

hey guys i don't agree with you
DOWNBOATED AND DELETED
(lol)

[Gugg]

hey guys i don't agree with you
DOWNBOATED AND DELETED
(lol)

Contributing to that wiki, any wiki, turns you into an unpaid employee of whoever it benefits the most.

They say the wiki benefits everybody but the best items listed are out of reach to most players and some items don't even drop anymore.

I think somebody is creating a little playground for themselves where they can pretend to be superior, but they need help to do it hence the "let's do this for everybody's benefit" lie.

The average player is there for ambience to give the illusion of success ("look at me i'm superior in a busy world" type of thing) and for taxi service.

The wiki is there to make it look more important too.

[Gugg]

The wiki is a 3rd party script which speeds up the game.

[Raj]

MMO = IRC + MUD + RPG mutant

Did we gain a super addictive + derivative mutant product lacking some of the best qualities of its parents?

Stay strong my friends! :cool:

[Gugg]

MMO = IRC + MUD + RPG mutant

Did we gain a super addictive + derivative mutant product lacking some of the best qualities of its parents?

Stay strong my friends! :cool:

I'm waiting for somebody to emulate P99.

[Jimjam]

Yes, if that stuff doesn't belong. Or better yet you could replace what they wrote with more wiki-appropriate content that still conveys whatever information the original poster was trying to convey.

The ultimate goal is to make the wiki better for everyone; and if your edit will do that (even if it means removing something that doesn't belong) then you should make it.

Contributions aren’t truly deleted, are they not? They just get archived into previous versions of a page?

[loramin]

Contributions aren’t truly deleted, are they not? They just get archived into previous versions of a page?

Correct. So if someone deletes content in a way that makes the wiki worse, the better version can always be recovered.

I will say however that in the entire time I've been here (almost ten years now) I have had to use that feature for ... maybe five or six separate cases? Something on that order of magnitude.

99.9% of the time people editing the wiki make it better, not worse.

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/JR5Jjf1.png

[Swish]

Like or hate "P99 classic" but its better than "Daybreak TLP classic"

[Tunabros]

P99 stops evolving after a few short years so it's permanently stuck in the stone age.

Hint: You should be playing retail with that progressive mentality of yours.

boomers always wanting to do old ass shit

this is why half of you guys don't even know how to use a microwave

[Jimjam]

99.9% of the time people editing the wiki make it better, not worse.

:(

[Gugg]

99.9% of the time people editing the wiki make it better, not worse.

So not for everybody then, and "worse" is subjective in a chaotic world.

[Gugg]

Contributions aren’t truly deleted, are they not? They just get archived into previous versions of a page?

Contributions can be hidden which is as good as deleting them because nobody can see them anymore on the page and because somebody decided the contributions were "vandalism" or "trolling" they get discredited and sit gathering dust doing nthing and eventually get lost under a pile of minor edits.

Then there is account banning and IP banning.

All nasty stuff.

WikiMedia has admin privileges. So somebody can write a lie about you, you revert it, you get overturned, an admin steps in because now it's an "edit war", and the admin permanently bans your account and IP.

There's even a disclaimer on the wiki

The Project 1999 Wiki is not maintained by the P99 staff and may contain inaccuracies between the emulator server, forums, live EverQuest, and reality.

It's wise to have a disclaimer for a wiki because they are full of lies, it all depends on the admin(s)...how honest they are...if thety like you...if they like what you say...thetre is a bias and discrimination and lots of lies. Just take a look at Wikipedia, the mother of all wiki's....it's BS most of it and very tightly controlled by a small group of people acting like they are independent and far out.

[Gugg]

Like or hate "P99 classic" but its better than "Daybreak TLP classic"

I'm not so sure, I think they are as bad as each other tbh.

One is too advanced and one is too archaic.

A mixture of the two would be perfect.

One thing's for sure though, free-to-play is cancer and automated play is not good neither is multi-boxing.

[loramin]

it all depends on the admin(s)...how honest they are...if thety like you...if they like what you say...thetre is a bias and discrimination and lots of lies. Just take a look at Wikipedia, the mother of all wiki's....it's BS most of it and very tightly controlled by a small group of people acting like they are independent and far out.

If you can point to even a single instance of an admin banning someone, locking a page, or doing anything else that wasn't clearly intended to make the wiki better and/or enforce the established wiki rules ... please link it.

[Gugg]

If you can point to even a single instance of an admin banning someone, locking a page, or doing anything else that wasn't clearly intended to make the wiki better and/or enforce the established wiki rules ... please link it.

So you have admins, and rules, just like any web site does, and you consider "right" and "wrong" to be objective terms, rather than subjective terms, so if I disagree with your version of right you ban my IP address so I can no longer contribute...and you can ban me permanently if you want.

It's funny because I've noticed you telling people how looks are subjective but now you're telling me there's a right way of doing things and a wrong way of ding things.

I should have known there was order hiding behind the chaotic facade of these wiki's that are sprouting up everywhere like cancer.

[Gugg]

If you can point to even a single instance of an admin banning someone, locking a page, or doing anything else that wasn't clearly intended to make the wiki better and/or enforce the established wiki rules ... please link it.

FYI: my other forum account was banned, reason "misogyny", which is a bogus reason and you know it, you also banned my wiki account permanently.

I'm not really bothered, I've lost things of real value in the past and I'm still alive, I just hate your lies and deceit.

Wiki is not classic and only those who agree with YOU can edit it and you make shit up as an excuse to ban. Even the P99 staff want to distance themselves from your wiki and I don't blame them because if its anything like wikipedia it's a load of bollcks and it seems to be because one of the 'facts' on your wiki is that a dragon has a mental health disorder and you want me to do your job and fix that for you if it's not true...even though you're always saying how everything is subjective...when it siuts you that is....damn flip floppers..

[Danth]

This site is fairly permissive in general. For the most part folks who earn bans here are asking for it. If someone manages to get himself banned from the wiki he must be an utter reject. Try to act mature and you'll find the pesky admins much less troublesome.

[aussenseiter]

a dragon has a mental health disorder and you want me to do your job and fix that for you if it's not true...

Editer was probably making a joke based on the zam entry (https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6465)

You say, 'Hail, Klandicar'

Klandicar says, 'Oi, what is this? A Wood Elf, if my tired old eyes are not mistaken. Knew it would happen. Sooner rather than later. No stopping the flood now, eh?'

You say, 'What flood?'

Klandicar says, 'The flood of beings to Velious. Starts with a trickle, like all floods. Sweeps the old away in the end, leaving a new landscape. Blessing and shame that I will not be around to see it all unfold.'

You say, 'Why will you not be around?'

Klandicar says, 'I will be leaving this world soon enough, I think. Too tired to continue this existence, too jaded to believe tomorrow would be any different than today. Seeing you here is the most exciting thing that has happened to me in aeons, and even that isn't enough to make me want to continue. Yes, it is the Necropolis for me, and the swift embrace of fire, and then my dust shall fly free as I once did.'

You say, 'You were free?'

Klandicar says, 'Dragons have never been truly free. The Claws, the Ring, the One Who Sleeps, our very nature, all conspire to keep us enslaved. We cannot grow beyond what we are now, so doomed we all are. Masters of this world we are not. Your very presence here screams this to any who have ears to hear. The Age of Scale is long past.'

You say, 'Why is the Age of Scale long past?'

Klandicar says, 'It proves how weak and static our race has become. Here you stand, in the most sacred of places, fearing nothing, daring to converse with me. If I were to consume you now, a dozen would appear to replace you. As mighty as Dragonkind is, we can never hope to match the power you wield. Dragons have limits set upon themselves, while you and your kind refuse to accept any limits. We cannot compete with that. If only we could throw off these shackles we bind ourselves with.'

You say, 'How can you throw off the shackles?'

Klandicar says, 'I do not see this happening. Too proud, too sure of ourselves, as a race we could never concede that we have anything to learn from the likes of you. We need a revelation. Something to open our eye, a poke in the rump. The Iksar almost woke us up, they had us united and striving for something for a brief while, but the Iksar Empire was in many ways as doomed as we are, too inflexible. What does not bend will break. The same could be said of the Kromzek.'

You say, 'Who are the Kromzek?'

Klandicar says, 'The Kromzek are also clinging to the old ways, they have changed no more than we have over the generations. We kill some,they kill some, nothing really changes. Now the Coldain, they are a group to admire, the first trickles of that flood I spoke of.'

You say, 'What about the Coldain?'

Klandicar says, 'I admire the Coldain They are strong because they adapt. They fought the Kromzek to a standstill, then pushed them back. They have not really crossed Dragons yet, but I feel that if they had a feud with us, they would present quite a challenge. And lo! There is a whole WORLD of peoples such as yourself, hardy and flexible as the Coldain, and here you stand at our doorstep, knocking.'

[loramin]

FYI: my other forum account was banned, reason "misogyny", which is a bogus reason and you know it,

I have nothing to do with forum bannings, but if you were spewing hate about anyone (females, queer folk, racial minorities, etc.) I fully support the staff banning you.

you also banned my wiki account permanently.

What was your wiki user name? I need it to look up why you were banned.

I'm not really bothered, I've lost things of real value in the past and I'm still alive, I just hate your lies and deceit.

I'm offering you a chance to prove to the public how deceitful I am: post (or PM me) your old wiki user name. I promise I'll lookup what I did and why, post it here, and the forum can judge how wrong it was for me to ban you.

one of the 'facts' on your wiki is that a dragon has a mental health disorder and you want me to do your job and fix that for you if it's not true...even though you're always saying how everything is subjective...when it siuts you that is....damn flip floppers..

It's not "my job" to ensure the wiki is perfect, for you or anyone. It's everyone's job: that's the entire idea of a community resource like a wiki.

At the same time it is my "job" (as a wiki admin) to ensure no one abuses that shared resource. Making a little joke about a dragon being depressed (when his in-game text is "depressed") is not abusing anything, and again if it bothers you so much you can fix it.

But again, post your wiki username and I can explain why I felt that whatever you did (unlike the depressed dragon thing) was clearly abuse.

[Encroaching Death]

I have nothing to do with forum bannings, but if you were spewing hate about anyone (females, queer folk, racial minorities, etc.) I fully support the staff banning you.


The term 'females' is problematic because that refers to animals.

I believe 'Women' is the proper term. Let's hope you don't get banned for misogyny.

[aussenseiter]

Any update on who Gugg vandalized the wiki as?

[Gugg]

I have nothing to do with forum bannings, but if you were spewing hate about anyone (females, queer folk, racial minorities, etc.) I fully support the staff banning you.

What was your wiki user name? I need it to look up why you were banned.

I'm offering you a chance to prove to the public how deceitful I am: post (or PM me) your old wiki user name. I promise I'll lookup what I did and why, post it here, and the forum can judge how wrong it was for me to ban you.

It's not "my job" to ensure the wiki is perfect, for you or anyone. It's everyone's job: that's the entire idea of a community resource like a wiki.

At the same time it is my "job" (as a wiki admin) to ensure no one abuses that shared resource. Making a little joke about a dragon being depressed (when his in-game text is "depressed") is not abusing anything, and again if it bothers you so much you can fix it.

But again, post your wiki username and I can explain why I felt that whatever you did (unlike the depressed dragon thing) was clearly abuse.

Well first of all you aren't the judge of me or the admin of my life. You're the admin of a minor wiki which is on a crappy network called "the internet" which (allegedly) has child p0rn hidden on it somewhere, so there's not much to be proud of being an admin or contributer on that network is there buddy boy? Unless you're a pedo that is.

And like I said, you're the admin of that wiki, I'm not, so I'm not going to do your job or dirty work for you. If you want somebody's stuff deleted then do it yourself instead of asking other people to do it for you. I'm not going to be your unpaid servant. That wiki doesn't benefit everybody because EQ/P99 doesn't benefit everybody so why should everybody help you with it?

You accuse me of spewing hatred about females (yawn) yet you're okay with making light of mental health disorders on your web site which you call a "little joke". It just proves you're full of shit. And, btw, you're not the female spokesperson, they don't need you to protect them, they have brains and voices of their own just as much as you do. Calling me a woman hater is slander and the label "misogynist" just an excuse by hypocrites like you to censor the truth.

[Gugg]

Editer was probably making a joke based on the zam entry (https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6465)

Loramin's Commandments

Jokes about depression...

https://i.ibb.co/GTrJxnp/artworks-000651040690-1482it-t500x500.jpg

Jokes about homosexuality...

https://i.ibb.co/C0tpr4p/homosexuality.jpg