What do you get if...

[Gugg]

...you take an Iksar Necro and remove the following...

- FD
- Mez
- Root
- Snare
- Evac
- Rez
- Summon corpse
- +31 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to always use a pet?

Answer:

A Mage

[Encroaching Death]

https://media.tenor.com/y9RKsfs--C4AAAAM/agradado-soverbio.gif

[Evia]

But mages make up for all that by having op boss pets!

...but didn't they Nerf mage pets like a year ago?

...at least they still got Coth and best damage shields?

[Evia]

And it's a hot take but I'd say as far looks/fashion go, magician has the best looking epic.

[Encroaching Death]

magician has the best looking epic.

I always thought SK looked the coolest, personally.

Mage is up there though. Mage Epic definitely has the coolest effect (aside from Bard).

Necro Epic is asssssss

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Nerf Coth. make it a once a gameworld day.


You need to rest before you use this spell!


Would change the endgame gameplay much less mechanical. More organic and realistic. No more coth to target.


Nerf run.

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/EhtARqA.gif

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://i.imgur.com/EhtARqA.gif
necros always did kind of get the last laugh, really. Game has done ungodly things to some classes. Necro always just goes on being its own bad self. You go, necro, get on with your bad ass self!

[mycoolrausch]

pets need a mode where they wont add anything to their hate list unless told, and the ability to tank with other PCs in melee range. also mobs should be immune to push from pets.

[Gugg]

- Mage healing and buffing one pet = 50% EXP penalty
- Cleric healing and buffing 5 pets = phat lewt, no EXP penalty

Fact: Pet penalty hurts Mage the most out of all pet classes.

Where are the summoned mobs? I see entire dungeons full of undead mobs fo Necro to charm but nothing to use my nerfed sword of runes on.

[Gugg]

Nerf Coth. make it a once a gameworld day.


You need to rest before you use this spell!


Would change the endgame gameplay much less mechanical. More organic and realistic. No more coth to target.


Nerf run.

Call of the Hero doesn't benefit Mages, it's just another taxi service for team evil to benefit from along with high starting stats, innate regen and FSI.

[loramin]

Where are the summoned mobs? I see entire dungeons full of undead mobs fo Necro to charm but nothing to use my nerfed sword of runes on.

The Hole (plus a few other places, see https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Summoned).

[Gugg]

The Hole (plus a few other places, see https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Summoned).

Mage (not evil) gets invisible men to play with.

Necro (evil class) on the other hand get Kurn's Tower, Howling Stones, Unrest, Lower Guk and undead charm/nukes/fear. Iksar (super evil) also get regen and AC.

The discrimination is strong yet I'm the bigot.Funny liberal f*ckers.

https://i.ibb.co/n3wCBvg/giphy.gif

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/sOIJDGo.gif

[Gugg]

Updated list

* = Added to list

What do you get if take an Iksar Necro and remove the following...

- FD
- Mez
- Root
- Snare
- Fear*
- Evac
- Rez
- Manaskin* (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse*
- Summon corpse
- +31 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to always use a pet?

Answer:


A Mage

[Gugg]

Updated list (V3)

* = Added to list

What do you get if take an Iksar Necro and remove the following...

- FD
- Mez
- Root
- Snare
- Undead charm*
- Mana efficient undead fear*
- Mana efficient undead nukes*
- Undead dungeons*
- Fear
- Evac
- Rez
- Manaskin (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- +31 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to always use a pet?

Answer:

Still Mage

[Gugg]

Evil says CHAOS is king yet their dots, snares, roots and fears have GUARANTEED timers so they don't randomly break.

https://i.ibb.co/TgSzbkg/giphy.gif

[Encroaching Death]

Its good to be a Necro

[Reiwa]

lmao hi Gugg

[magnetaress]

Play a frost mage on dragonflight IMO

[Chortles Snortles]

thank god i can rez myself or i would have rage quit by now

[Danth]

Evil says CHAOS is king yet their dots, snares, roots and fears have GUARANTEED timers so they don't randomly break.

Root and fear spells can and should break early from time to time. If they aren't as of the last patch then something got broken.

thank god i can rez myself or i would have rage quit by now

I'm always a little surprised at how cheap essence emeralds sell for. I'm routinely shocked at how many necromancers--most of them, in my experience--don't carry them at all. Seems like a serious omission given the trivial cost.

[Chortles Snortles]

i basically farm cash to buy coffins, EEs & peridots
then i can enjoy dying repeatedly in howling stones

[Gugg]

Play a frost mage on dragonflight IMO

It costs $15 a month, requires 100GB of storage and Bill Gates owns it so no thanks.

Instead, I'll race the chosen species to forest giants in Warsliks Wood and camp their Brutes for 10 hours at a time. That's free.

I love to hear them whine when they don't get their way, and I always make sure I let them know when I took another Forest Loop from them in their own back yard.

It's fun to watch 3 foot tall midgets halflings running circles around the master race too.

One Iksar told me he was descended from dragons just before he begged me for a port. I was laughing so hard I had kenco coming out of my nostrils.

It's a shame they don't get flagged for PvP when they attack guards. Haven't you noticed their guards are buffed up and don't drop loot?

They are a protected and privileged species because they are fragile.

[Encroaching Death]

Bill Gates owns it so no thanks.


Based

[Gugg]

i basically farm cash to buy coffins, EEs & peridots
then i can enjoy dying repeatedly in howling stones

As if evac and FD weren't enough, you were also given the ability to recover HOURS of wasted work with your own summon corpse + rez spell.

Reason: Necro is evil.

As long as thhe discrimination swings both ways I'm okay with it.

[magnetaress]

It costs $15 a month, requires 100GB of storage and Bill Gates owns it so no thanks.

Instead, I'll race the chosen species to forest giants in Warsliks Wood and camp their Brutes for 10 hours at a time. That's free.

I love to hear them whine when they don't get their way, and I always make sure I let them know when I took another Forest Loop from them in their own back yard.

It's fun to watch 3 foot tall midgets halflings running circles around the master race too.

One Iksar told me he was descended from dragons just before he begged me for a port. I was laughing so hard I had kenco coming out of my nostrils.

It's a shame they don't get flagged for PvP when they attack guards. Haven't you noticed their guards are buffed up and don't drop loot?

They are a protected and privileged species because they are fragile.
i used to think this way butt i just dinged 65 and i'm having fun :)

actually my only gripe is the centaurs are based on the mongols are like way to PC and don't seem to 'fit' so well. Otherwise it's been pretty superb and that area is good looking anyway. Here's to hoping once I move the story along it feels better. 2-outa-3 questing areas being baller is good tho )))

Honestly. WoW isn't a game. It's a second life u pay to live. So it should be like a human right rly. :o

[Gugg]

Updated list (V4)

* = Recently added to list

What do you get if take an Iksar_Necro and remove the following abilities...?


- Instant clicky invis*
- FD
- Mez
- Root
- Snare
- Undead charm
- Mana efficient undead fear
- Mana efficient undead nukes
- Kurn's Tower*
- Howling Stones*
- Lower Guk*
- Unrest*
- Fear
- Evac
- Manaskin (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- Resurrect corpse
- +33 mana regen*
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to have a permanent 50% XP penalty if pet does more damage than he does?

Answer:

Mage of course...duh

[magnetaress]

Mages look cool tho.

And don't go straight to hell at least.

[Gugg]

i used to think this way butt i just dinged 65 and i'm having fun :)

actually my only gripe is the centaurs are based on the mongols are like way to PC and don't seem to 'fit' so well. Otherwise it's been pretty superb and that area is good looking anyway. Here's to hoping once I move the story along it feels better. 2-outa-3 questing areas being baller is good tho )))

Honestly. WoW isn't a game. It's a second life u pay to live. So it should be like a human right rly. :o

WoW is like one of those 3rd world jobs that pays you 15 cence an hour. Although it's actually worse than that, it's more like a 3rd world job you pay to join. The graphics and sound and all that is just an illusion, you're sitting at a desk working your fingers to the bone for nothing. You work birthdays, weekends, double shifts. You're like the perfect employee for evil corporations.

[magnetaress]

WoW is like one of those 3rd world jobs that pays you 15 cence an hour. Although it's actually worse than that, it's more like a 3rd world job you pay to join. The graphics and sound and all that is just an illusion, you're sitting at a desk working your fingers to the bone for nothing. You work birthdays, weekends, double shifts. You're like the perfect employee for evil corporations.

I figure I'm just training neural nets.

In the real world it's women and children. Butt in the bets world it's an evil shaman and his minions

Butt. Like all things. Once you stop playing to win. You win. I got a few budds over there. And with wow. I know my raid is going to be 2 hrs on the weekend two days. And that's it. 4 hrs max. And I enjoy helping. I'm decent enough usually I'm not a carry. Its fun to be gud.

[Gugg]

Honestly. WoW isn't a game. It's a second life u pay to live. So it should be like a human right rly. :o

I feel the same way about transportation, clothes, food, water and sex.

[Gugg]

I feel the same way about transportation, clothes, food, water and sex.

Drugs too.

[unsunghero]

Nerf enchanters?

[magnetaress]

Nerf enchanters?

Yes 🎩 👩*

[Gugg]

Class: Ranger
STR: 114
ATK: 762

Mob: A Skulking Brute

Argent Protector (4500pp)

52s
46s
48s
47s
36s
43s

Silvery Swiftblade (150pp)

1:01
1:04
1:00

Fellspine's Tail (500pp)
Silken Whip of Ensnaring (350pp)

55s
1:04s
43s
57s

Mob: A Sarnak Knight

Argent Protector (4500pp)

Dead Ranger

Silvery Swiftblade (150pp)

Dead Ranger

Fellspine's Tail (500pp)
Silken Whip of Ensnaring (350pp)

Dead Ranger

[Gugg]

It's that time of the year when it sounds like an ground invasion is taking place at 12am at night.

[mycoolrausch]

necros randomly get a -100 FR lure dot

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ignite_Blood

devs decided theyre strong indepedent skellys that dont need no bard or shaman debuffing their mobs

[Gugg]

necros randomly get a -100 FR lure dot

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ignite_Blood

devs decided theyre strong indepedent skellys that dont need no bard or shaman debuffing their mobs

Oh yea...unresistable lifetaps and dot's....no resists.

Then there's skeleton illusion which everyboy else has to pay 350kpp for.

[Gugg]

Updated list (V5)

* = Recently added to list

What do you get if take an Iksar_Necro and remove the following abilities...?

- Skeleton illusion*
- Spectre illusion*
- Unresistable damage spells* (no debuff required)
- Instant clicky invis
- FD
- Mez
- Root
- Snare
- Undead charm
- Mana efficient undead fear
- Mana efficient undead nukes
- Kurn's Tower
- Howling Stones
- Lower Guk
- Unrest
- Fear
- Evac
- Manaskin (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- Resurrect corpse
- +33 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to have a permanent 50% XP penalty if pet does more damage than he does?

Answer:

Mage you dummy

[Tann]

Updated list (V5)

* = Recently added to list

What do you get if take an Iksar_Necro and remove the following abilities...?

- Skeleton illusion*
- Spectre illusion*
- Unresistable damage spells* (no debuff required)
- Instant clicky invis
- FD
- Mez
- Root
- Snare
- Undead charm
- Mana efficient undead fear
- Mana efficient undead nukes
- Kurn's Tower
- Howling Stones
- Lower Guk
- Unrest
- Fear
- Evac
- Manaskin (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- Resurrect corpse
- +33 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to have a permanent 50% XP penalty if pet does more damage than he does?

Answer:

Mage you dummy

TLDR this thread but.. Can the above fancy necro lad:

go to almost any city with minimal faction work?
rely almost 100% on their baller summoned pet?
Never need to buy food/water or wr bags?

[Tann]

Updated list (V5)

* = Recently added to list

What do you get if take an Iksar_Necro and remove the following abilities...?

- Skeleton illusion*
- Spectre illusion*
- Unresistable damage spells* (no debuff required)
- Instant clicky invis
- FD
- Mez
- Root
- Snare
- Undead charm
- Mana efficient undead fear
- Mana efficient undead nukes
- Kurn's Tower
- Howling Stones
- Lower Guk
- Unrest
- Fear
- Evac
- Manaskin (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- Resurrect corpse
- +33 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to have a permanent 50% XP penalty if pet does more damage than he does?

Answer:

Mage you dummy

TLDR this thread but.. Can the above fancy necro lad:

go to almost any city with minimal faction work?
rely almost 100% on their baller summoned pet?
Never need to buy food/water or wr bags?
get an eye of zomm (https://wiki.project1999.com/Clay_Bracelet) clickie for free?

Yada yada yada

Magicians aren't without their faults but get righteously fucked by a donkey OP. As creamy as you think necros are, their big and better brothers ("encheaters") would like to have a word.

[Tann]

Oh my double post

https://imgur.com/yLDaJ6k.gif

[Gugg]

TLDR this thread but.. Can the above fancy necro lad:

go to almost any city with minimal faction work?
rely almost 100% on their baller summoned pet?
Never need to buy food/water or wr bags?



Iksar Necro can use a trick to bank in good cities.

Mages have to chain summon pets they suck so much and Mages can't solo without a pet; they can't rot or charm kite.
WR bags disappear when Mage logs out.

Necro doesn't even need food or water. Necro doesn't even need to sit down to med the regen is so fast.

[Gugg]

TLDR this thread but.. Can the above fancy necro lad:

go to almost any city with minimal faction work?
rely almost 100% on their baller summoned pet?
Never need to buy food/water or wr bags?



The WR bags go bye bye when the Mage logs out.

[Gugg]

Have I missed anything?

Yes I have so let's update the list.

Updated list (V6)

THE QUESTION: What do you get if take an Iksar_Necro and remove the following abilities...?

* = New addition to list

- Invis to undead*
- STR debuff*
- Cure disease*
- Gift another player their mana bar*
- Dead Man/Men Floating*
- Plant nukes*
- Skeleton illusion
- Spectre illusion
- Unresistable damage spells (no debuff required)
- Instant clicky invis
- FD
- Mez
- Root
- Snare
- Undead charm
- Mana efficient undead fear
- Mana efficient undead nukes
- Kurn's Tower
- Howling Stones
- Lower Guk
- Unrest
- Fear
- Evac
- Manaskin (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- Resurrect corpse
- +33 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to only ever use a pet and ive him a permanent 50% XP penalty if his pet does more damage than he does?

Answer:

Mage you freak

[PatChapp]

What do you get it
Twitch plz

[Gugg]

Updated list (V7)

THE BIG QUESTION: What do YOU get if you take an Iksar_Necro and remove the following abilities...?

* = New addition to list

- Lucrative Treants*
- Lucrative human guards (HHK)*
- Lucrative WC/EC Druids*
- Banking exploit*
- Invis to undead
- STR debuff
- Cure disease
- The ability to give another player your mana bar
- Dead Man/Men Floating
- Plant nukes
- Skeleton illusion (+ vendors who are friendly to you while in skelly illusion)
- Spectre illusion
- Unresistable damage spells (no debuff required)
- Instant clicky invis
- FD (pause button)
- Mez
- Root (+ undead only root)
- Snare
- Undead charm
- Mana efficient undead fear
- Mana efficient undead nukes
- Kurn's Tower
- Howling Stones
- Lower Guk
- Unrest
- Fear
- Evac
- Manaskin (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- Resurrect corpse
- +33 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to only ever use a pet and ive him a permanent 50% XP penalty if his pet does more damage than he does?

Answer:

[spoiler]MAGE, because he's not evil[spoiler]

[Jimjam]

i basically farm cash to buy coffins, EEs & peridots
then i can enjoy dying repeatedly in howling stones

A compelling gameplay loop.

[Jimjam]

You forgot to mention targetable buffs like spirit armour, cold and disease resists, impart strength.

Disease cure to help out newbs with rabies.

[Gugg]

You forgot to mention targetable buffs like spirit armour, cold and disease resists, impart strength.

Disease cure to help out newbs with rabies.

Let's add it to the question.

Updated list (V8)

THE BIG QUESTION: What do YOU get if you take an Iksar_Necro and remove the following abilities...?

* = New addition to list

- +40 cold resist buff*
- +40 disease resist bufft*
- AC buff*
- STR buff*
- Lucrative Treants
- Lucrative human guards (HHK)
- Lucrative WC/EC Druids
- Banking exploit
- Invis to undead
- STR debuff
- Cure disease
- The ability to give another player your mana bar
- Dead Man/Men Floating
- Plant nukes
- Skeleton illusion (+ vendors who are friendly to you while in skelly illusion)
- Spectre illusion
- Unresistable damage spells (no debuff required)
- Instant clicky invis
- FD (pause button)
- Mez
- Root (+ undead only root)
- Snare
- Undead charm
- Mana efficient undead fear
- Mana efficient undead nukes
- Undead dungeons (Kurn's Tower, Howling Stones, Lower Guk, Unrest)
- Fear
- Evac
- Manaskin (absorb damage + increase mana regen)
- Locate corpse
- Summon corpse
- Resurrect corpse
- +33 mana regen
- +18 HP regen
- Lifetaps
- Heals
- Cabilis
- Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment

...and force him to only ever use a pet and ive him a permanent 50% XP penalty if his pet does more damage than he does?

Answer:

[spoiler]MAGE, because he's not evil[spoiler]

[Toxigen]

If only mages got root like every other caster in the entire game.

[magnetaress]

Dude if warriors got root they'd be solo masters lawl.

This is why paladin is the #1 soloer in game root and heal clickies g-d bless.

[Chortles Snortles]

time to die

[Gugg]

time to die

I'm already dead.

[magnetaress]

The goal of the tribulation is not to be the last man standing.

It is to go to G-d

[loramin]

If only mages got root like every other caster in the entire game.

[Encroaching Death]

Besides root, what else would Mages need to be...useful post-50?

Let's be honest, Necros are kind of useless at late game too.

The only classes that are useful late game are: Shaman, Enchanter, Cleric, and Warrior.

Everything else gets the shaft (except Monk maybe)

[magnetaress]

Just give everyone root. Slow. Regen. Memblur.

[Lune]

Clarity line should have been given to wizards, not enchanters

I will die on this hill

[Encroaching Death]

Clarity line should have been given to wizards, not enchanters

I will die on this hill

That's a good take imo.

Give the Wizard the stuns too.

[magnetaress]

Iksar can't be rangers. So :(

[Encroaching Death]

Ogre Monks now.

[Arvan]

Wait till OP finds out about enchanters lawl

[PatChapp]

That's a good take imo.

Give the Wizard the stuns too.

Enchanters not having ae stun would be worse for wizards, no more ae piles to burn down

[Gugg]

Mage Summon Ring of Flight
Effect: Levitate
Duration: 24 minutes

Necro Dead Man Floating
Effect: Water Breathing, See Invisible, Levitate, +70 poison resist
Duration: 1 hour 12 min

[Encroaching Death]

Enchanters not having ae stun would be worse for wizards, no more ae piles to burn down

Wizards should have special Roots that are more durable and resistant to spell break.

They need to be cool. A whole lot cooler

:cool:

[Gugg]

Wizards should have special Roots that are more durable and resistant to spell break.

They need to be cool. A whole lot cooler

:cool:

Wizards aren't evil hence they are designed weak.

[Encroaching Death]

Wizards aren't evil

That's not what my southern Baptist pastor says

[Gugg]

That's not what my southern Baptist pastor says

Your southern baptist pastor didn't design EQ.

It makes sense that everything in an evil world has a bias for evil. Norrath is no exception to that rule.

I didn't see it until I stopped watching news/movies/politics/sports/etc.

Now I see the bias everywhere which is good because it means heaven does in fact exist if hell does.

[Jimjam]

Wizards should have special Roots that are more durable and resistant to spell break.

They need to be cool. A whole lot cooler

:cool:

I feel early on Wizards were designed to be the root specialists, and root is a core part of the tank and spank meta as well as crowd control. You’re right that they should have kept an edge in rooting as levels/expansions rolled out.

[Raj]

Funny enough, didn't they give shamans a special root with pushback that used DR or something in PoP or after from AAs? :cool: