Player was out of zone on an alt but logged in and took my camp

[acrostoa]

I am flabbergasted.

I was in Warrens for 20 to 30 mins with no one else in the zone. I was camping the King.

I get tells from a level 5 named Dirtygirlx who said they are camping the king on their main. I explain that I've been here for a while and no one else has been in the zone and it doesn't seem fair that they can just claim to be camping the king on their main while not even logged in on that char or even in the zone. They tell me that they can because p99 doesn't allow multi-boxing.

Well, they logged in on their main, Mezd, and killed the King after I engaged. I took screenshots that show no one was in the zone before i engaged the King, took screenshots of this happening, and I also opened OBS and started recording but I didn't set the source so it looks like the video is of a black screen.

Is this legal? Can a player get on an alt, not be in the zone, and then log into their main and take a camp?

I'll gladly upload the screenshots.

[sajbert]

You can’t claim to hold a camp if you’ve logged out between spawns.

I coud be mistaken but I believe that anyone who simply engages first is the holder of the camp. Either way this person stole the camp from you and should be dealt with.

[Malk]

AFAIK the only rule that applies in a somewhat similar case is that if you are camping several mobs (distant, but in the same zone) and someone comes in and wants a camp, he/they have to inform you first and you have to choose the camp you keep.

I'm pretty sure this doesn't apply to OP's situation, where logging out the main is an auto-concede of the camp. OP should probably escalate this to staff.

[acrostoa]

Ok. They say that the GM has clarified the rules to them and now they know that they cant hold a camp on their alt.

I feel that they now understand the rules and it won't happen again.

Thanks to everyone who inputted their perspectives.

[PatChapp]

Such a trash camp.

[loramin]

Next time, just send them to https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules

[Toxigen]

sorry you dont got scepter hope this helps

[Chortles Snortles]

i love a happy ending

[Kich867]

Sounds like you get into a lot of camp disputes bro

[Gustoo]

Consider red

[Ananka]

You got me thinking about the Hadden camp in Qeynos Hills. Something like a 6 hour spawn and years ago on Live I'd stay there the entire time. Do people still wait the entire time on P99 or pop in and out?

[PatChapp]

I've seen people sit at Hadden the entire time. Something to do in the background I guess

[Swish]

Consider red

^

[Swish]

I kept TMO cleric epic MQers at bay back in 2013 by staying logged in at Ragefire's spawn.

(shit that's 9 years ago)

[Ooloo]

I've seen people sit at Hadden the entire time. Something to do in the background I guess

Hadden is no different than any other camp in terms of rules afaik. You pretty much have to sit there if you want to ensure you kill him when he spawns, cause the odds are basically 100% that if somebody comes along to check and there's nobody there they are gonna plop down and wait for him, at which point it's now their camp.

[loramin]

Hadden is no different than any other camp in terms of rules afaik. You pretty much have to sit there if you want to ensure you kill him when he spawns, cause the odds are basically 100% that if somebody comes along to check and there's nobody there they are gonna plop down and wait for him, at which point it's now their camp.

Technically they don't have to even sit there, if they killed Hadden last. Once you've killed him you can technically spend the next six hours camping Pyzjin, or farming HQ bear pelts, or bone chips, or doing whatever else. As long as you don't die or leave the zone, Hadden is your's.

I say "technically", because in practice if you do that other people will show up, see that no one is at Hadden, and sit down thinking they've got the camp. When you return you'll likely wind up in an argument with them.

[Tunabros]

bro who names an alt dirtygirlx

[Infectious]

Technically they don't have to even sit there, if they killed Hadden last. Once you've killed him you can technically spend the next six hours camping Pyzjin, or farming HQ bear pelts, or bone chips, or doing whatever else. As long as you don't die or leave the zone, Hadden is your's.

I say "technically", because in practice if you do that other people will show up, see that no one is at Hadden, and sit down thinking they've got the camp. When you return you'll likely wind up in an argument with them.

Wrong. Outdoor camps you can only camp one spawn at once. Hadden would be one spawn. Pyzjin would be a second camp.

[PatChapp]

Wrong. Outdoor camps you can only camp one spawn at once. Hadden would be one spawn. Pyzjin would be a second camp.

You can only claim one, if contested it is your choice which you keep

[Encroaching Death]

Can you claim CS Wyrvens?

[PatChapp]

A single wyvern spawn, yes

[Toxigen]

Thats why Geonids are fun.

Literally just a FTE fest when its semi busy.

[Encroaching Death]

A single wyvern spawn, yes

But not all of them in CS.

[Infectious]

You can only claim one, if contested it is your choice which you keep

Yes. But he said you can kill Hadden and still hunt the zone and claim Hadden when he spawns. That is wrong.

[PatChapp]

Yes. But he said you can kill Hadden and still hunt the zone and claim Hadden when he spawns. That is wrong.

You can,just if someone else wants to camp Hadden you have to give up what your doing and sit at Hadden.
You can camp as many mobs as you want, if contested you get to pick one to keep.

[Ooloo]

You can,just if someone else wants to camp Hadden you have to give up what your doing and sit at Hadden.
You can camp as many mobs as you want, if contested you get to pick one to keep.

The hadden camp is uniquely complicated because his spawn apparently has a variance of an hour (sometimes he's 5 hrs on the dot, 6 hrs on the dot, or anywhere in between).

If you're "camping" hadden but also off killing bears or whatever while he's down, and somebody else shows up and decides it looks open and sits down to camp him, are they supposed to do a CC? If they kill him and loot a fishbone ear but they never bothered to go through the whole "pick which camp you want" process, can you petition that person for "stealing" a camp you weren't even at? That would be ridiculous.

[Infectious]

You can,just if someone else wants to camp Hadden you have to give up what your doing and sit at Hadden.
You can camp as many mobs as you want, if contested you get to pick one to keep.

No. If someone comes and you arent there, you lost the camp.

[Chortles Snortles]

not necessarily, i've experienced staff decisions awarding players that zoned a train and ran back to the camp in less than 15 minutes even though i had enough time to kill 2-3 mobs that respawned

[PatChapp]

Staff has specifically stated you do not need to sit at a camp between spawns if it's not contested.

[cd288]

Staff has specifically stated you do not need to sit at a camp between spawns if it's not contested.

You're misquoting them and leaving out context.

You are allowed to leave the camp, but if you log out or otherwise leave the zone at all you have lost your rights to the camp. So, to use an easy example, if you're camping the sisters in LFay and run to vendor and you get back to the camp before the re-spawns start happening, then that's still your camp. If you run to Kelethin or Steamfont to use the bank, you've lost the camp. Or, if you log out or go LD, you've lost the camp.

[cd288]

The hadden camp is uniquely complicated because his spawn apparently has a variance of an hour (sometimes he's 5 hrs on the dot, 6 hrs on the dot, or anywhere in between).

If you're "camping" hadden but also off killing bears or whatever while he's down, and somebody else shows up and decides it looks open and sits down to camp him, are they supposed to do a CC? If they kill him and loot a fishbone ear but they never bothered to go through the whole "pick which camp you want" process, can you petition that person for "stealing" a camp you weren't even at? That would be ridiculous.

No, I doubt you could petition them for stealing it if you did not contest them sitting there and killing the spawn. If you were just running around the zone killing bears and stuff and saw them sitting there because they thought it was open, told them you'd been camping it, and they still killed it then yeah you could petition and the staff could check the logs and see that you'd never left the zone.

[loramin]

Yes. But he said you can kill Hadden and still hunt the zone and claim Hadden when he spawns. That is wrong.


No. If someone comes and you arent there, you lost the camp.

I'm sorry, but you're misunderstanding the Camp Rules (https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules).

You can camp an infinite amount of mobs in the zone. As long as you make it back to each one before they respawn, they are all your camp.

But that last part is key: if you kill mob A, then go on to mob B, and someone else comes to mob A, sees it spawn, and waits a "reasonable" amount of time (the staff has never defined "reasonable"), they can take A from you. Again, it's only your's if you are back to catch the respawn within a "reasonable" amount of time.

So, getting back to Hadden, yes you can absolutely kill Hadden and Pyzjin, and a million wolves and bears and skeletons if you're bored enough. But to prevent someone else from killing Hadden, you need to kill him first, then be there when he respawns (or at least within a "reasonable" amount of time of him spawning).

So if someone else comes along and Hadden is up while you're off at Pyzjin, they don't even need to communicate with you: if they just wait a "reasonable" amount of time, they can safely kill Hadden. But as long as you time it right, and get back to Hadden before he respawns, he's yours ... and so is Pyzjin, assuming you killed her or her placeholders last.

The way someone else ends that is by showing up to either camp and saying "I want to camp this". You reply "I'm camping it and this other camp", and they can then reply "well, you have to pick one". You then have to choose which one you want exclusive rights on.

P.S. As a side note, I don't think this is the best policy for P99, personally. I think the "reasonable" amount of time should be clearly defined ... and I think it should be like 5 or 10 seconds.

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/U4TFODQ.jpg

[PatChapp]

You're misquoting them and leaving out context.

You are allowed to leave the camp, but if you log out or otherwise leave the zone at all you have lost your rights to the camp. So, to use an easy example, if you're camping the sisters in LFay and run to vendor and you get back to the camp before the re-spawns start happening, then that's still your camp. If you run to Kelethin or Steamfont to use the bank, you've lost the camp. Or, if you log out or go LD, you've lost the camp.

Yes,you can't leave the zone or die,but otherwise you do not need to sit in front of the spawn.

[Soothsayer]

King camp in warrens is just a waste of time. What are the odds of a scepter actually dropping out of all the tons of items he drops? Like… 4 percent or something? Lol.

[Toxigen]

King camp in warrens is just a waste of time. What are the odds of a scepter actually dropping out of all the tons of items he drops? Like… 4 percent or something? Lol.

not when you're soaking dkp

[eqravenprince]

So, getting back to Hadden, yes you can absolutely kill Hadden and Pyzjin, and a million wolves and bears and skeletons if you're bored enough. But to prevent someone else from killing Hadden, you need to kill him first, then be there when he respawns (or at least within a "reasonable" amount of time of him spawning).


I disagree. Need to be sitting near camp. If I show up in qeynos hills, run over to his spawn point and no one is around, I'm claiming the camp. Only reason I'd give camp up at that point is if someone in a "reasonable" amount of time said they were camping him and just went to go sell or whatever. If I sit for 5 hours waiting for spawn without anyone else showing up, while some dude is off camping Pzjin swoops in and kill steals me, I'm going to be pissed and petition. That ain't right. Sit at the Hadden spawn like everyone else does.

[loramin]

I disagree. Need to be sitting near camp.

You can disagree all you want, but if someone else killed Hadden, stayed in the zone for hours waiting (but not next to his spawn point), and made it back to the spawn point before Hadden spawned (ie. they played by the server rules) ... and then when he did spawn you stole him (ie. you broke the rules)... guess who's getting punished? Especially if that person has the OBS to back their story up?

We even have a ruling from GM Menden specifically for Hadden (https://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings#Hadden.2C_Camp_Holding.2C_and_AFKing_While _Camping), which very clearly indicates (just in case anyone was unsure) that he's "campable" (ie. he follows the P99 camp rules (https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules) just like any other mob).

Again, I'm not saying "this is the best policy and I Loramin endorse it": quite possibly it would be a better system to make people have to wait by the camp. I'm just saying "them's the rules: the GMs make them, and we follow them (or don't, at our peril)."

[Swish]

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If you're not sitting at Hadden's spawn point or near it and I come along and sit there til he spawns... I don't care who's in the zone or what they're doing/claiming, they weren't there. It's mine til I choose to wander off.

Same goes for the Nybright sisters. If someone wanders off to sell, and one of them respawns while they're gone.. its shitty but they just lost that camp if someone else appears. It's some old Lower Guk based rule where you can't camp it if you're not at it (so if you're camping 2-3 nameds and someone sits down in one of those camps, you gotta let it go (and SHOCK HORROR, SHARE!) even if you're capable of clearing 2-3 rooms.

[loramin]

Everyone talks big in the forums, but I'd love some fraps of you guys actually deciding to implement your own P99 rules in the game.

[PatChapp]

Everyone talks big in the forums, but I'd love some fraps of you guys actually deciding to implement your own P99 rules in the game.

Yeah I've run into this a few times,people wanting a camp I'm clearing. They've always been reasonable, I follow the simple rule and keep the one I want most. Easy peasy

[Encroaching Death]

If you're not CURRENTLY kissing me gently on the lips, you forfeit the camp.

Per the PNP, section 8.2, if you do not FIRMLY yet LOVINGLY wrap your arms around my supple body, the camp is no longer yours.

[magnetaress]

Consider red

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/0wJJH5L.png

[Goobles]

This is why <Pals> is a great guild on Green. We aren't involved in lawyerquest bull. Just be a decent person and you can stay in the guild :E