has anyone been to rehab?

[Valakut]

i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with rehab or substance abuse treatment programs. a good friend in my guild who is actually a very prominent raid leader is about to get kicked out of their moms house if they don't get sober. they have tried to quit cold turkey several times without much success. i don't think many people take substance abuse or misuse very seriously around here so if you have any experience you can share it might be very beneficial to some lurkers in the community.

[Chortles Snortles]

i did outpatient twice, i wasn't ready the first time and was just going through the motions
the unfortunate truth is your friend will likely need to hit a few rockbottoms before really getting help

you can lead a horse to water...

[Arvan]

Addiction is a motherfer man.

Wishing the best for your friend

[Encroaching Death]

I did outpatient, did Narcotics Anon, etc.

Depends on the situation and substance, but 3 things are key:

* The addicted person MUST want to be clean (no amount of pressure from outsiders will help)

* The addicted person MUST have a strong support structure (friends, family, etc.)

* And HUGELY important: Cut ties with ALL influences or 'friends' who promote using

I've been clean since Feb 27th, 2007. I'm currently trying to get my cousin clean.

[goblinmob]

..."The pain we waste to stay the same outweighs the pain it takes to change..."

Best of luck to your friend!

[magnetaress]

I get myself locked up from time to time in some real 1st world shitholes full of other ppl who sometimes are drug abusers butt not because of substance abuse.

What strikes me as odd is that the drug addicts are all higher functioning than some of the staff. They just need structure and purpose.

[Encroaching Death]

What strikes me as odd is that the drug addicts are all higher functioning than some of the staff. They just need structure and purpose.

Almost all addicts that I've met, me included, have used drugs to fill a void (heh) or used it in place of some legit drug they should have been given.

A lot of kids I grew up with were raised in some crazy ass broken homes. One of my friends was blind in one eye, and had to live with his aunt and uncle because his parents were crack addicts.

Then his aunt and uncle became crack addicts.

Then he became blind in his other eye.

Then he became homeless.

And addicted to crack.

Fucking brutal.

[magnetaress]

yeah u guys should work on ur self esteem u are not bad ppl because you use drugs

it's the drugs are bad because they fuck you up and keep you chained and you should be legally able /allowed/enabled to make all the poppy tea in the world you need for those times where u just gotta spend an hr or two sippin and not wind up on the hard stuff the gov pushes or the crack dealers deal

[Tongpow]

court ordered, 20 years ago. was the craziest experience ever. protip kids don't talk shit to a judge at a truancy hearing

[unsunghero]

Public insurance should pay for part of rehab. If your friend isn’t working he should see about getting on his state’s Medicaid insurance if he hasn’t already. Private insurance might not pay, and neither will probably pay in full (although Medicaid might), because rehab has a very low success rate with long term change. So insurance doesn’t see it as worth much of their money

This is why IMO it’s not worth shelling out lots of money for one of the fancy rehabs. Most people end up relapsing after they get out. This is usually due to, like ED said, not cutting ties to their previous hookups, but also romanticizing their memory of the substance after some time away and deciding that “this time I will control it better”

Aside from cutting ties with all hookups and friends that use, the person should stop any activity they exclusively did while high. If they only played EQ high then they should stop EQ. There will be a mental connection in their mind with the activity to the drug and it will make their cravings much worse

Replacing the drug with exercise can help, has for a decent amount of people

[Encroaching Death]

Aside from cutting ties with all hookups and friends that use, the person should stop any activity they exclusively did while high. If they only played EQ high then they should stop EQ. There will be a mental connection in their mind with the activity to the drug and it will make their cravings much worse

This is true.

You don't only get addicted to the drug, but the process as well.

I remember throwing out my pill grinder and straws for this very reason.

Even inhaling through my nose would bring me back. Especially if I did it hard enough to produce a drip.

[Encroaching Death]

OP, if the guy is addicted to Opiates, taking Kratom will probably help him quit.

It will at least make the process a bit easier.

[unsunghero]

This is true.

You don't only get addicted to the drug, but the process as well.

I remember throwing out my pill grinder and straws for this very reason.

Even inhaling through my nose would bring me back. Especially if I did it hard enough to produce a drip.

Yea my aunt had to stop going to bars when she was trying to stop smoking because whenever she used to drink at a bar she smoked

And I was recently talking about weed with a co-worker and the subject of wax came up and she said she doesn’t touch that stuff because you have to use a torch to light it and the process is too similar to when she used to do meth like 10 years ago. So she won’t handle or go anywhere near a glass pipe or torch

[Encroaching Death]

Yea my aunt had to stop going to bars when she was trying to stop smoking because whenever she used to drink at a bar she smoked

And I was recently talking about weed with a co-worker and the subject of wax came up and she said she doesn’t touch that stuff because you have to use a torch to light it and the process is too similar to when she used to do meth like 10 years ago. So she won’t handle or go anywhere near a glass pipe or torch

It's so weird what the mind can do.

When I would quickly snort or inhale, a wave of calmness would spill over my body.

It was like my body was trained for the high or something.

Another thing people don't tell you: When you do drugs for such a long time, your body lets the drug take over tasks.

Like creating natural painkillers in the body.

When we bend our knees or arms, that's bone and cartilage rubbing and grating against each other. The reason why there's no pain is because our body naturally creates minor painkillers to handle all that.

The opiate takes over that process for the body, so when you quit, your body is like "Oh yeah, shit. I was supposed to create that stuff...whoops"

In that period, your back aches, your joints ache, hell...it's physically painful to get sleepy. I remember that. Trying to stay awake was painful. It was weird.

I thought about suicide every single morning when I woke up.

[magnetaress]

i heard nsaids and stuff like tylonel make arthritius inflamiation even worse lawl (probably tru)

[goblinmob]

https://whoisoptimistic.bandcamp.com/

I'd be selfish if I was too scared to share this trainwreck. I'd be delusional if I thought I would be gloriously received by my peers but maybe someone here could benefit to hear some jumbled thoughts on addiction, depression, and self image. It is what it is. lol sorry

[unsunghero]

The opiate takes over that process for the body, so when you quit, your body is like "Oh yeah, shit. I was supposed to create that stuff...whoops"

In that period, your back aches, your joints ache, hell...it's physically painful to get sleepy. I remember that. Trying to stay awake was painful. It was weird.

I thought about suicide every single morning when I woke up.

Ya, I try to prep people in my job that when they quit and try to get back to their old life, their brain will create artificial pain and/or anxiety (depending on the substance), in addition to having a diminished capacity to feel pleasure from day to day activities

I tell them not to give up on sobriety just because they discover they initially no longer have any enjoyment from their old life’s activities. It can take months of sobriety to feel like one’s old self again and have the enjoyment come back into life

I’ll also suggest taking a picture of one’s appearance if the drug has changed it, and/or journaling how awful they felt at the end and how much it fucked up their life. It could be useful to reflect back on this photo and writing months-years later when the brain is romanticizing the memory of the high

[Encroaching Death]

Ya, I try to prep people in my job that when they quit and try to get back to their old life, their brain will create artificial pain and/or anxiety (depending on the substance), in addition to having a diminished capacity to feel pleasure from day to day activities

I tell them not to give up on sobriety just because they discover they initially no longer have any enjoyment from their old life’s activities. It can take months of sobriety to feel like one’s old self again and have the enjoyment come back into life

I’ll also suggest taking a picture of one’s appearance if the drug has changed it, and/or journaling how awful they felt at the end and how much it fucked up their life. It could be useful to reflect back on this photo and writing months-years later when the brain is romanticizing the memory of the high

I always compare it to an ex-girlfriend.

You will tend to remember the positives and forget all the negative aspects.

So focus on all the negatives. Remember how shitty you felt, instead of how great you felt.

That usually helps me. With both drugs and women lol

[Lifebar]

The addicted person MUST want to be clean (no amount of pressure from outsiders will help).

As an adult child of an alcoholic, I cannot emphasize this point enough.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

woah, rants and flames has changed.


Getting free of an addictive substance, and especially the lifestyle that comes with it, is like waking up from a long, long coma. You have to relearn everything. But you can't believe you are out of that coma.


Or let's get biblical. Remember Lazarus?


Imagine being Lazarus, inside his head. Imagine what Lazarus felt like the next day, and the next month, but really didn't talk about b/c what can he say that hasn't been said?



So imagine Lazarus' state of mind the next day, month, year.


That is the state of mind of a recover(ed)(ing) addict.


Good morning aviators!

[Toxigen]

no surprise extreme pixel sickness correlates with substance addiction

first thing said individual needs to do is throw the computer in the dumpster and get a fucking job

[unsunghero]

woah, rants and flames has changed.



Not really, original post was probably a shitpost

Someone mad at shithole Blue server drama

[Basanos]

yeah man about ten years ago i did about a week inpatient for benzos.

met some real trainwrecked folks in there, too. there was a lady who had just finished a twenty year sentence for drowning her baby while she was fucked up on heroin. or so she said. another guy who was there for alcohol died halfway through the stay.

i haven't touched benzos since i can tell you that much.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://whoisoptimistic.bandcamp.com/

I'd be selfish if I was too scared to share this trainwreck. I'd be delusional if I thought I would be gloriously received by my peers but maybe someone here could benefit to hear some jumbled thoughts on addiction, depression, and self image. It is what it is. lol sorry


Is that sober music? You're the bravest muther here dude.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

yeah man about ten years ago i did about a week inpatient for benzos.

met some real trainwrecked folks in there, too. there was a lady who had just finished a twenty year sentence for drowning her baby while she was fucked up on heroin. or so she said. another guy who was there for alcohol died halfway through the stay.

i haven't touched benzos since i can tell you that much.


What did you take? And why? I know benzos very, very well -- because I medically need them and have been on a steady dose for xx years. My p-doc laughs when I ask him this question.


See, they don't do to me what they do to you. The concept of "recreationally" using a benzo sounds outlandish to me. I know people mix it with booze, opiate users find solace in them. My monthly scrip would maybe make me 4 figures if I sold by the pill lol.



I've heard benzo addiction really gets stuck in ya. No fucking wonder: it is a highly designed pharmaceutical. jesus christ. they seem so harmless too, I bet. Mother's little helper...

[goblinmob]

Is that sober music? You're the bravest muther here dude.

It's a drunken outline of the last 6 months of my life before going sober. I also leveled a halfling druid to 26 I guess, so there's an achievement lol

[unsunghero]

I've heard benzo addiction really gets stuck in ya. No fucking wonder: it is a highly designed pharmaceutical. jesus christ. they seem so harmless too, I bet. Mother's little helper...

You don’t see many doctors willing to prescribe benzos nowadays. They are one of the few drugs along with alcohol where withdrawal can kill a person, and of course are highly addictive

They are best used IMO as an infrequent “as needed” relief for anxiety-provoking activities. Like taking one before public speaking or flying on an airplane, those kinds of things

Anything you take daily your body will build up a tolerance towards. If you haven’t had to up your dosage over the years you are fortunate in that regard. If you suddenly stopped, however, that would be a real bad time. I’ve seen some seniors years ago in my job who had an old school type of doctor prescribing them like 2+ mg daily of a benzo for like a decade, then during the opiate epidemic their new doctor stopped the med cold turkey, a very inconsiderate and dangerous thing to do. Needless to say they were a wreck :/

Mixing them with alcohol is a fast track to blacking out, speaking from experience there ;)

[unsunghero]

^
Speaking of that I remember when my old roommate announced that he found an overseas underground lab willing to sell him Xanax without a script

He bought this huge bottle of I think was the 2mg bars. He had a miserable job he hated, and I remember how excited he was after getting the pills and telling me how when he took Xanax before work that day he didn’t mind his job. He bragged about how great he did with customers and stuff

I told him taking those before any daily activity is a really bad idea. Of course he didn’t listen and kept taking them, slowly getting addicted. We’d know when he was coming off because his way of speaking would change (like tone) in addition to him being a colossal asshole

Almost a year later he almost had to go into rehab over it, but was able to recognize the problem and quit on his own

I had another friend (captain of my WoW arena team) who used to get so strung out on benzos + acohol he’d call me and I couldn’t understand a single word he was saying and would have to hang up on him eventually. He was doing a dangerous amount, like 10+ mg/day. Anyway, he got into an accident while strung out on them and almost killed this entire family, they were in like the ICU. He went to prison and will be paying their medical debt for the rest of his life


Even though the OP was a shitpost, white middle aged men are a very high substance abuse demographic. I’m sure everyone here either has it in their past or knows someone who did

[Basanos]

What did you take? And why? I know benzos very, very well -- because I medically need them and have been on a steady dose for xx years. My p-doc laughs when I ask him this question.


See, they don't do to me what they do to you. The concept of "recreationally" using a benzo sounds outlandish to me. I know people mix it with booze, opiate users find solace in them. My monthly scrip would maybe make me 4 figures if I sold by the pill lol.



I've heard benzo addiction really gets stuck in ya. No fucking wonder: it is a highly designed pharmaceutical. jesus christ. they seem so harmless too, I bet. Mother's little helper...it was mostly fast dissolving orange flavored xanax. believe it or not it started due to insomnia. not that xanax is the solution to insomnia, either.

i can also verify that mixing benzos and booze is a bad, bad idea. i used to do it, often. i am very lucky i was never incarcerated for more than a few hours.

i have always struggled with relaxation and sleep, downers were always appealing due to that. opiates rub me the wrong way, most of the time.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You can't keep expanding your reasons to take one. If you are taking it more than once a month for un-ease or anxiety, I'd be very, very careful. Once a month is barely a "safe use level" for civilians.


The problem is, for civilians, the tolerance curve. It's a nearly vertical wall. Once you hit you tolerance inflection, the med simply stops being as effective. And the chief symptom of benzo withdrawal is... anxiety, un-ease, irritability, panic, easily startled, hyper-vigilant. The very feeling you "periodically" took one for, is now your monkey. Tolerance spiral.

My tolerance curve for clonopin is a bit past 4mg per diem. I have had a 3mg script for 20 years, the disorder is dead, most days I take 2mg. Life's always steady.



If you are a genuine psychiatric patient, these substances simply have different effects, and my suspicion is that if you do not actually need these drugs, the tolerance curve starts immediately.



Behold the Feast of Satan!


https://www.benzoinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Benzodiazepine-Equivalence-Table-1024x1024-1-1024x1024.png

[unsunghero]

^
Yea my stepdad has been on roughly the same dose of oxy for like 6+ years. I dunno how he isn’t constipated but he doesn’t seem to get that side effect

Substances are like keys fitting into the lock of someone’s DNA. Some keys fit perfect, and those people feel a far more intense high and will usually willingly overtake a set amount, rapidly building tolerance

And I was going to mention there are meds which someone can take at the same doseage for life. But benzos from what I’ve heard are generally not one of those. Not saying it’s not possible, but it’s not the norm. Or maybe it can’t become the norm, because there are far less willing to prescribe it these days

I have to ask every psych patient I see what meds they are on as part of the psychosocial part of the chart, so I keep track of the newest common stuff I hear. It’s usually hydroxizine or vistril for anxiety these days

[unsunghero]

*and by patient I mean client, not a Dr just meaning people I see at work

[Reiwa]

You can't keep expanding your reasons to take one. If you are taking it more than once a month for un-ease or anxiety, I'd be very, very careful. Once a month is barely a "safe use level" for civilians.


The problem is, for civilians, the tolerance curve. It's a nearly vertical wall. Once you hit you tolerance inflection, the med simply stops being as effective. And the chief symptom of benzo withdrawal is... anxiety, un-ease, irritability, panic, easily startled, hyper-vigilant. The very feeling you "periodically" took one for, is now your monkey. Tolerance spiral.

My tolerance curve for clonopin is a bit past 4mg per diem. I have had a 3mg script for 20 years, the disorder is dead, most days I take 2mg. Life's always steady.



If you are a genuine psychiatric patient, these substances simply have different effects, and my suspicion is that if you do not actually need these drugs, the tolerance curve starts immediately.



Behold the Feast of Satan!


https://www.benzoinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Benzodiazepine-Equivalence-Table-1024x1024-1-1024x1024.png

Ativan is supposed to be real good and fast acting.

[Basanos]

temazepam is what they gave me in rehab to taper me off. i do not even know how much i was taking daily. it wasn't the only substance, but it was the most prominent.

[Reiwa]

TIL I take benzo

[unsunghero]

Not judging, I’ve tried almost every drug at one point or another. Not LSD but would not be afraid to, not trying to either though. And not heroin but have tried every other opiate including fentantyl (broken up into tiny pieces because I didn’t want to die). Most of these were used like 4-5 times per ~decade or so

Drugs have always rolled off my back like water. Didn’t ever dislike an effect, but never felt an urge to use even multiple times/month, with years in between. The only exception has been weed. If I had a vice, that would be it. That’s the one I just cannot see myself not taking every day or almost for a long time :/

But I’ve always been in a really physically active period of my life when I tried them. I didn’t happen to try any when I was 260lbs fat playing WoW ~14 hours/day. I just played WoW, didn’t even use weed then. If I had tried one of those other drugs then, I might have had a serious problem…I really think being active is an amazing shield against addiction

[Bardp1999]

A raid leader who plays P99 80 hours per week is not in a healthy mindstate

https://i.imgur.com/XdkiFBC.gif

[unsunghero]

Yea and definitely not endorsing anyone trying hard drugs. There is no such thing as an impenetrable shield

[Reiwa]

Yea and definitely not endorsing anyone trying hard drugs. There is no such thing as an impenetrable shield

Oh, it's not scheduled. Think I'm in the clear unless J shows up.

*wishes for J to show up*

[magnetaress]

Ativan is supposed to be real good and fast acting.

Ativan should be sold over the counter.

[magnetaress]

Weed should definitely be a life sentence tho. Especially if you are both obese and self medicate with it.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

^
Yea my stepdad has been on roughly the same dose of oxy for like 6+ years. I dunno how he isn’t constipated but he doesn’t seem to get that side effect

Substances are like keys fitting into the lock of someone’s DNA. Some keys fit perfect, and those people feel a far more intense high and will usually willingly overtake a set amount, rapidly building tolerance

And I was going to mention there are meds which someone can take at the same doseage for life. But benzos from what I’ve heard are generally not one of those. Not saying it’s not possible, but it’s not the norm. Or maybe it can’t become the norm, because there are far less willing to prescribe it these days

I have to ask every psych patient I see what meds they are on as part of the psychosocial part of the chart, so I keep track of the newest common stuff I hear. It’s usually hydroxizine or vistril for anxiety these days


It's a charm. The tell is, again, the tolerance curve. Mine is non-existent. If anything, I am trending down from 3mg being the norm to 2mg being the norm past few years. The condition "wears out" alongside with other things.


Hospital protocols hate benzos. It is also state-hassled med. Pain meds are hassled. But that's why I've had the same p-doc, private practice, for 14 years now. I've seen his son grow up.


Anything trying to half-measure what a benzo is for, or at the opposite extreme bending how it works, is asking for trouble. Just let it be. But as a "sleep aid"?



That just sounds like trouble. Find something else. You will hit a tolerance wall with being sleepy/feeling itchy and then yer in trouble. If you really have trouble sleep, ask for a very small dose of an atypical antipsychotic. But that's gonna change ya.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

^^^ old

[magnetaress]

Benzos are safer than offlabel use of drugs like

Quetiapine
Brand name: Seroquel

Or stuff like Prozac.

All of which drastically increases suicidality and triggers homicides. Mass violence. (Shooting ppl driving cars into crowds or in rare cases the subjects cold turkey some how survive and manage to build a bomb without killing themselves).

Anyway the difference is lawyers and liability. If you got $$$ and aren't a criminal u get benzos if you're homeless or on public Healthcare (Obamacare) u get the suicide/homicide pills.

Benzos aren't that much safer or effective. They are way more pleasant tho.

If you get given a diagnosis for non benzos u are in for a real world of hurt. I can't tell you what you should do.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I mean, getting "dangerously" addicted happens, but it is a) predictable and b) avoidable.



You have a substance. You can know what it is. You then ask yourself what to do, applying Roger's Four Rules of Gambling. And yeah, it's your hand. Yours alone.



I don't get why some people play at some tables. It's a cry for friggin help.

[Encroaching Death]

All of which drastically increases suicidality and triggers homicides. Mass violence. (Shooting ppl driving cars into crowds or in rare cases the subjects cold turkey some how survive and manage to build a bomb without killing themselves).

Which is nice to know when 40 MILLION Americans take these drugs.

:o

No wonder we're all fucked in the head.

[Endorra]

They tried to make me go to rehab, but I said I'm tracking for DKP.

Yes, I've been black, but when I come back, I'll have FT3.

[Encroaching Death]

KUmZp8pR1uc

[unsunghero]

My “knock out cocktail” for sleep includes: unisom sleep tablet + 10mg melatonin + Benadryl + a small sip of z-quil. All of these taken at the same time can usually power through the 250-300mg caffeine pre-workout I took ~5 hours before

But sometimes not. But I’ve had chronic insomnia my entire life that I inherited from dad. Sometimes I can not even take pre-workout at all, and take double of the things I listed above, and not get 1 minute of sleep. But it’s not much of a problem, I can work a full shift on no sleep no problem. 2 nights no sleep gets tougher, I start to get really drowsy while driving, but have never had an issue working a full shift on that either

On the rare times I go 3 nights no sleep I’ll usually call out at that point because driving gets too risky

Feel free to lecture me about it but I’ve heard it all before :/

[WokeCat]

I was in rehab even though I had never used drugs and wasn't an alcoholic at the time.

I went to the VA Hospital for help with PTSD, and they pretty much locked me in a psych ward and the wing I was in was nothing but rehab patients. I was the only person in there who was in there for PTSD. I remember that we weren't allowed to have anything but water the entire time I was in there. Some girl got in serious trouble after she got her visitation with her boyfriend and he tried to sneak her a mountain dew in. I didn't even know caffeine was considered a drug at that time.

I remember the day I got out though, I drank a cup of coffee, and I got insanely high off of it. So I guess there's some truth to that.

I also started playing WoW again after not touching it for years because Cataclysm had just came out, and this girl in there kept talking about how bad she wanted to play it, and we agreed to play when we got out. We exchanged emails, but I got out first and started playing it. When she got out she e-mailed me and told me she was sorry, but she had a boyfriend (she was fat, I didn't even want to date her? lol).

But by that point I was already addicted to WoW again.

Crazy times.

[Lune]

I've had a long term relationship with mother poppy, pure opium with all 40+ alkaloids. The euphoria isn't quite there like it is for other opiates due to competitive binding, but it's the ultimate pain-devastator, provided a lot of energy and focus, mild euphoria etc. I did eventually get addicted for a while and quitting that was more difficult than getting my doctorate. Nearly two weeks of sweating, restlessness, anxiety, depression, searing pain, complete dopamine and serotonin crashes with zero ability to do anything but stare at a wall or read for bouts of 10-15 minutes, while time passed as slowly as a schoolkid watching a clock-- also with crippling insomnia, all followed by weeks of PAWS. Oh yea and hypersensitivity such that I'd nut if my wife so much as glanced at my wang, I'd be lucky to make it in before nutting lol. You're not just coming off morphine or any other single opiate, you're coming off of every alkaloid in that plant. Pure hell and the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

It all started when I "inherited" the mother lode of hydros, oxys, and morphine from a deceased relative who was on powerful rx pain meds their entire life from an injury. I'm talking thousands of pills. The feeling of those first hydro highs were indescribable. Just a state of pure bliss, waves of warmth and pleasure washing over my body like the ocean, unimaginable euphoria, and profound feelings of peace and bliss, that all is right in the world and forever will be. Still gives me chills to listen to certain songs I listened to during those highs. One time I nodded and watched How It's Made for like 4 hours and it was like a religious experience. Sure enough I chased the fuck out of that dragon, but I was careful never to use too frequently... for years. Actually managed to never get addicted until I ran out years later and switched to pure opium.

Kratom was a godsend in quitting opium, took the WD symptoms down a good 50%, eliminated the diarrhea, and allowed me a couple-hour window to pass time playing a game or something. Having some xanax on hand helped immensely as well for insomnia during that ordeal. Weed edibles and gabapentin also provided considerable temporary relief from WD's, just watch out for restless legs/arms with gabapentin during WD if you're susceptible to that-- sometimes that'd be worse than the WD's themselves.

OP, tapering was instrumental for me in kick-starting the quitting. I tapered my dose down about 80% over time before jumping off which made it a lot better than it could have been (though also drew it out). Rehab can be effective, but like others mentioned in the thread your friend absolutely has to want it, and he has to cut those ties, habits, and rituals to stay clean from the alcohol.

I still try to stay away from the Publix bakery because I'd usually grab some shit from there to counteract the bitterness of my opium.

I'm not sure a time will ever come that I won't periodically dream of the feeling of being high, particularly on hydros-- I dont think you can ever not miss it, but you can get further away from it. Addiction literally rewrites pathways in your brain, makes you extremely creative in the reasons you could totally use right now and in fact should!

[Toxigen]

I've had a long term relationship with mother poppy, pure opium with all 40+ alkaloids. The euphoria isn't quite there like it is for other opiates due to competitive binding, but it's the ultimate pain-devastator, provided a lot of energy and focus, mild euphoria etc. I did eventually get addicted for a while and quitting that was more difficult than getting my doctorate. Nearly two weeks of sweating, restlessness, anxiety, depression, searing pain, complete dopamine and serotonin crashes with zero ability to do anything but stare at a wall or read for bouts of 10-15 minutes, while time passed as slowly as a schoolkid watching a clock-- also with crippling insomnia, all followed by weeks of PAWS. Oh yea and hypersensitivity such that I'd nut if my wife so much as glanced at my wang, I'd be lucky to make it in before nutting lol. You're not just coming off morphine or any other single opiate, you're coming off of every alkaloid in that plant. Pure hell and the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

It all started when I "inherited" the mother lode of hydros, oxys, and morphine from a deceased relative who was on powerful rx pain meds their entire life from an injury. I'm talking thousands of pills. The feeling of those first hydro highs were indescribable. Just a state of pure bliss, waves of warmth and pleasure washing over my body like the ocean, unimaginable euphoria, and profound feelings of peace and bliss, that all is right in the world and forever will be. Still gives me chills to listen to certain songs I listened to during those highs. One time I nodded and watched How It's Made for like 4 hours and it was like a religious experience. Sure enough I chased the fuck out of that dragon, but I was careful never to use too frequently... for years. Actually managed to never get addicted until I ran out years later and switched to pure opium.

Kratom was a godsend in quitting opium, took the WD symptoms down a good 50%, eliminated the diarrhea, and allowed me a couple-hour window to pass time playing a game or something. Having some xanax on hand helped immensely as well for insomnia during that ordeal. Weed edibles and gabapentin also provided considerable temporary relief from WD's, just watch out for restless legs/arms with gabapentin during WD if you're susceptible to that-- sometimes that'd be worse than the WD's themselves.

OP, tapering was instrumental for me in kick-starting the quitting. I tapered my dose down about 80% over time before jumping off which made it a lot better than it could have been (though also drew it out). Rehab can be effective, but like others mentioned in the thread your friend absolutely has to want it, and he has to cut those ties, habits, and rituals to stay clean from the alcohol.

I still try to stay away from the Publix bakery because I'd usually grab some shit from there to counteract the bitterness of my opium.

I'm not sure a time will ever come that I won't periodically dream of the feeling of being high, particularly on hydros-- I dont think you can ever not miss it, but you can get further away from it. Addiction literally rewrites pathways in your brain, makes you extremely creative in the reasons you could totally use right now and in fact should!

lmao

[Chortles Snortles]

um, was this guy high when he posted this??? :eek:

[magnetaress]

Sounds to me if you're habitually freaking out and schizoid or are chronically and terminally ill Poppies would be a pleasant alternative to what they fucking do to us now.

[Encroaching Death]

I forgot about the diarrhea.

Opiates will stop you up when you use. When you quit...all that comes out.

[Basanos]

I never cared for kratom, but I didn't do it to kick narcotics. I tried it a few times because I was curious. It did get me that feeling but it was hard to sleep for a few days afterwards for some reason.

[Encroaching Death]

Because Kratom will energize you at low doses.

At higher doses, you won't have trouble sleeping.

[Lune]

um, was this guy high when he posted this??? :eek:

only on weed my good chap

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/sh8XYhr.jpg

[unsunghero]

Addiction literally rewrites pathways in your brain, makes you extremely creative in the reasons you could totally use right now and in fact should!

“This time will be different”

“This time I’ll only just use a little bit then stop”

“This time I can control it”

[Reiwa]

Is there a mental illness from opium abuse? Don't say addiction that doesn't count.

[unsunghero]

Is there a mental illness from opium abuse? Don't say addiction that doesn't count.

Off the top of my head there should be disorder for every possible substance in the dsm. There maybe a separation between things like abuse or dependence as well

I don’t really follow it all that well because I don’t diagnose

[Encroaching Death]

Is there a mental illness from opium abuse? Don't say addiction that doesn't count.

There are conditions like PAWS that are a result of Opiate addiction.

But your question isn't serious, so fuck you.

[Kaveh]

no surprise extreme pixel sickness correlates with substance addiction

first thing said individual needs to do is throw the computer in the dumpster and get a fucking job

[Chortles Snortles]

I don't know where to begin my story, I am nearly crying as I write this, so anyways, I'm going to write my personal story that happened to me in hopes to help some of you out there who have an EQ addiction a chance to get out of it before it get's to late...

Before EverQuest I used to have nearly a perfect life, I was living the american dream if you will. I hade a wonderfull job, a great house, a beautiful and lovely wife and most importanly my 2 beautiful little girls wich I love dearly....now I've lost everything because of this game.

It all started out about 2 and a half years ago, when I went to Electronics Boutique to purchased the game EverQuest. I had read so much about it in magazines and on the web. It all sounded so good, that I just HAD to buy it since I was such a big RPG fan.

When I got to Electronic Boutique the clerk saw me looking in the RPG section and I had just picked up EverQuest off the shelves, he said to me " EQ huh? I can assure you sir that's a really cool game, I have loads of fun myself playing it when I get home from work" wich just urged me even more into buying it.

So finnaly I bought it and when I got home I installed it on my computer, got my credit card to subscribed and whitin seconds I was in the game playing.

It all was good at first nothing ever seemed to suggest that this was an "addicting" game (boy was I ever wrong...). I made many friends during the first week that I played got myself some decent equipment and wepons, and I was just generaly having a good time playing and getting away from some RL stress...

A few weeks past or mabe a month or so, and I started playing more and more. As my character got higher in level's it became more demanding for me to stay longer hours online to play and unconsciously I started ignoring my RL. This is where my story really begins...

You see me and my wife used to be really close to each other, I used to come home from work and eat a wonderfull meal cooked by my wife, I don't want to sound like I'm bragging here but, my wife was a great cook. We would eat together and talk about both our days at work.

Then I would usually spend some time with my 2 girls since I was at work most of the week and the only time I got to spend some time with them was in the evening.

I would usually take them both in my arms and put a book in-between us and read them a story. On other nights we would play with one of the big ballons that we had, throwing it around, oh how I miss those days!

After we'd put the kids in bed me and my wife would smooch on the couch a little bit while watching TV or just chatting. There is so much more things that I miss, such as going out with my wife to restaurants, or going together as a family to the movies and other social activities that we used to do together as a family.

This all changed when I started getting "addicted" to EQ. I would come home from work eat my dinner really fast, say a few words to my wife and kids and I would litterally rush myself to the computer room. I would then proceed to load up EQ, check up on how everyone in my guild was doing and see if there was any special event going on such as a raid or something.

You see the time that I would have normally spend in the evening with my daughters playing got replaced by EQ playing instead.

I started to ignore my wife, ALOT, and sadly, my 2 daughters even more. Many times I would forget to eat and drink because I was so consumed with this game. Sometimes I had to go to the bathroom but I didn't want to get up because most of the time it was in the middle of a tough fight and I just couldn't leave my computer because the thought of even dying in this game is scary, the penalty for it is quite severe.

So I decided to set up a little pot in my computer room so I wouldn't have to get up when I needed to go pee, as much as this may sound ubelivable I can assure you it's the truth. Many times I would stay up all night till 2-3am in the morning playing because in my mind it was really important to do planar and dragon raids with my guild, and not only that I had to get up in the morning to go to work.

Some times my wife would tell me to go to bed with her but I was so consummed with the game that I would usualy reply to her that I was on a corpse run or that we had just gotten a good group or a guild mate of mine needed help on a quest etc...

There are lot's of time I can recall when I called in sick at work because I had stayed up late the night before and just couldn't get up to go to work. There are also times when I called in sick because there was a guild raid that I wanted to attend because there were some good items to be had that I wanted for my character.

When I actually went work on weekdays I was always grumpy, I couldn't think as clearly or act properly like I normally did before EverQuest, I couldn't stop thinking about it and talking about it to my co-workers. wich got them concerned...

I eventually got fired, the boss was feed up with me missing all the time and not doing my job the way I was supposed to.

When I tried to explained this to my wife that I had lost my job she was really upset since I was the only one who provided income for our family. We got into a really big argument and she didn't know what we were gonna do for money and to be honest neither did I.

I search everywhere for a job, I even went back in to my old workplace and litterally begged my manager to give me my old job back...but it was too late he had alredy replaced me with somebody else.

We enventually fell on wellfare while I was on my job hunt, but I gotta admit I didn't search very long mabe a week at the very most 2 weeks, after a while I was so depressed that I just began to loose interrest in finding a better job. I didn't care to find work anymore, all I cared about was playing my game.

At this point my wife started to become VERY concerned with me, and she came over to talk to me about it while I was on the computer. We got into a big argument and I said some mean things to her that I know now, looking back at it today, that I shouldn't have said at that time.

She decided to move over to her father and mother's house wich was about half an hour drive from our house and she also took our 2 girls with her. I didn't care really since I thought to myself "Great! I'll be alone, finally!". I guess I didn't really think that she would be going for REAL and thought to myself that she would come back after a while.

The first week that my wife had left, I stayed up all day and night playing EQ, eating whatever we had left in the house, I didn't even bother calling them, I didn't care either. I had totally lost sight of reality, all that mattered to me was playing the game.

I didn't even bother to brush my theeth in the morning nor did I take a bath or shower, much less shave. I didn't do my laundry and never wore clean cloths. Most of the time I would keep on the same cloths that I had sleept in and wore the day before. I didn't clean my house either and dirty dishes were all over the place and I almost never took out the trash.

I would order food from one of my local restaurants for supper and sometimes would eat the leftovers for breakfast. I would sit in front of the computer for hours on end all day long and play the game, it didn't matter to me, the only life I knew of was the life of EverQuest.

I then met a girl in the game, I was so in love with her that I was up to a point where I had totally forgot about my RL wife and my RL in general, that I began living this "virtural" life if you will.

I proceeded a few weeks later to ask my "virtural girlfriend" to marry me in game, she agreed. We made preparations, announced it to the whole guild, we told the GM where we wanted the wedding to be held, arranged a time and we got married.

I would constantly tell her how much I loved her and that I couldn't stop thinking about her, she became my obsession.

After a while I think that she eventually got so fustrated about the coments that I was making that she probably thought that I was some sort of a cyber perv (wich I will shamely admit that I probably was).

She then decided to end the relationship that we had, and even changed her last name back to her old one and removed mine, and as if that wasn't enough she decided to put me on her /ignore list and I never talked to her ever again.

A few weeks past after that incident and I woke up one morning and turned my computer on just like I did evey other day and it was then that it hit me, like a slap in the face...

I thought to myself that I used to have a great wife ( a REAL one) and that I had trown it all away for a @#%$'ING VIDEO GAME. It all started to swirl so fast in my head. "Why?" I asked myself "How the hell could I allow this to happen to me?".

I decided to turn off my computer immediately and to contact my wife wich I hadn't spoke too in nearly 4-5 months. I was so mad at myself for doing this. I couldn't belive my actions.

I didn't really know what to do and the only thing that seemed logical was to call my wife's parents house. So after alot of thinking about what I wanted to say to her I finnally came over my fear of calling her and picked up the phone and called.

Her dad ansered the phone and I said "hello, can I speak to my wife please?" and he said "Oh it's you, how dare you call my house after what you've done to her, do you even think you deserve to talk to her after eveything you've put her through? FU you idiot! I hope that @#%$'ing game keeps you happy, stay the hell away from my daughter! Do ya hear? Don't you ever dare call this place again!"

I could obviously tell by his anser and the tone of his voice that he was really angry with me, I said "yes sir I'm really sorry, this is not the way..., hello, hello?" He hung up on me before I could even finished my sentence.

I tried calling within the next couple of days, with no luck. He didn't want anything to do with me. I knew where her parents lived so I got in my car and drove over to their house. When her dad ansered the door I BEGGED, and BEGGED him to let me see her and for the sakes of my little girls to please let me see them as well.

He then told me to go away and that his daughter didn't live there anymore. I asked him where she had moved too so I could see my girls. To my suprise he agreed to give me the adress to her appartment. It wasn't so far as I thought, only a couple of blocks away. I thanked him very much and told him that he didn't know how much his help meant to me.

So after a while of driving around I finanly found my wife's appartment. I knocked on the door, I was so affraid to talk to her that I was litteraly shaking I had TONS of things I wanted to say to her and even more to my girls.

The door opened and a MAN ansered. I was so SHOCKED, I can't even explain the feeling I got when I saw him, I thought to myself "this is obviously the wrong adress". I asked to see my wife I told him who I was and if (insert my wife's name here) lived here, and to my complete suprise I saw her walking towards the door, and I could tell by the look on her face that she wasn't happy to see me...

I told her that I was so sorry and asked for her forgiveness for what I had done. I then asked if I could see my girls and she hesitated a bit but she said yes and called them.

They both came running into my arms as they saw me, screaming "Daddy! Daddy! We missed you so much" then one of my girls asked me "why did you leave us daddy?"

I just couldn't anser those questions, I was so ashamed of my actions that I couldn't even speek to them and bursed out in tears.

It soon became quite clear to me that the man who ansered the door was my wife's new boyfriend, since he gave her a kiss as he was leaving for work and he couldn't stick around any longer.

I'm sure my wife must have told him about me as he didn't look too pleased to see me there either as he left the house my wife told him "Well talk about this later honey, have a good day at work"

As much as I hated the fact that she had found someone else, I know deep down inside that I couldn't really blame her, but the fact is that it made me even more sad and angry towards myself. I just couldn't accept the cold hard fact that I had let this game take over my life like it did.

My wife got custody of our two dauther's by the court a few months afterwards. I tried really hard to explain myself to the judge but it didn't help, not one bit. I was also ordered by the court to seek profesonal help, wich I did, and I can really say that it helped me greatly since I was in a deep depression at that time

Eventually a few weeks later I finnaly got myself back on track. I got my self a job (not a good one like my last one, but a job none the less). Unfortunatly I had to sell my house since I couldn't afford to pay for it anymore, I was way pass due in payments because the job I had couldn't provide enough money to pay for the house/food etc.

I found a small appartment neer by and mooved in there. I still go over to see my 2 dauther's as much as I can, but not as much as I would like too. Howerver I still get a chance to see them on weekends a bit more, though.

Christmas is around the corner and I am sure that I will probably spend it alone, hell I don't even have a Christmas tree to put up this year...

I would love to go see my girls on Christmas morning but my wife alredy planed to take them on a vacation with her new boyfriend. I alredy bought my 2 girls their gifts and I'll have to give it to them in advance, before they leave. It makes me really sad and even angryer to even think about it.

There is an old saying that goes like this: "You don't know what you've had, until you've lost it". I can easily relate to that, I didn't know what I had until I lost it...

I wish my wife would be laying next to me when I go to sleep tonight, but I know the fact is that she isn't here anymore. She was so warm under those covers and I used to love hugging her before she went to sleep in my arms.

To all of you out there who have a wife/Girlfriend or kids, hug/kiss them tonight and think about what your doing if you see that your relationship with them is starting to go down hill because your spending to much time on the computer instead of spending time with them.

Here I am now sitting in my appartment tonight, alone, no wife and no kids by my side. I could have avoided this if I hadn't played so much, but I did the contrary and that is a fact that I will have to live with for the rest of my life....

I am typping this message in great hopes that NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE who plays EQ ever has to go through what I did, because in the end my friends I can assure you that it's not worthed, to lose your real life over what I know now is only a videogame...

[goblinmob]

...

[Encroaching Death]

I am nearly crying as I write this

lol what are you...gay??

[Reiwa]

There are conditions like PAWS that are a result of Opiate addiction.

But your question isn't serious, so fuck you.

Tell us more,,,

[Encroaching Death]

Tell us more,,,

Nope. :cool:

[magnetaress]

true story

[Frankenbeanz]

not sure if this a joke thread or whatever, don't care i'm not ashamed - I was in rehab for 50 days in 2020. After an incident where a friend of mine died at my workplace i was too mindfucked to keep working. Not into hard drugs or alcohol, weed use went into overdrive all day long which doesn't really help.

I was attending dr appts, counselling and psychologist regularly but not seeing any progress mentally and after about a year and a half a hybrid ptsd/addiction inpatient service was offered. I was reaching out for anything i could at the time.

It was somewhat of a high-end place (cost of $40,000 covered by workplace insurance). Being there was really hard at first, 50 days ahead of me was daunting - super upset for about a week and then realized after meeting people and doing things that i was kind of enjoying it.

The addiction piece was alcoholics anonymous based, which i guess is pretty common. I wouldn't say it was a bad experience but it's a pretty brainwashy approach. I met a lot of good people, some annoying people, some crazies which was overall entertaining.

If you look into it the success rate on sobriety after being in rehab it's something like 1% if that - so like, it's not like something that's going to solve everything in your life by any means but it was a good 'soft reset'. If you're in a bad place and its available i'd say take it.

Worst part was being away from my wife, also i shared a room with 2 dudes which wasn't bad but not ideal because i snore like a mofo.

[Bluesjamforlife]

Overcoming addiction to any substance requires an enormous amount of determination and drive. What works for you may not work for others. Despite being berated, never let anyone get you down. Bless up to those of you have beaten such odds.

Cheers.

[Toxigen]

not sure if this a joke thread or whatever, don't care i'm not ashamed - I was in rehab for 50 days in 2020. After an incident where a friend of mine died at my workplace i was too mindfucked to keep working. Not into hard drugs or alcohol, weed use went into overdrive all day long which doesn't really help.

I was attending dr appts, counselling and psychologist regularly but not seeing any progress mentally and after about a year and a half a hybrid ptsd/addiction inpatient service was offered. I was reaching out for anything i could at the time.

It was somewhat of a high-end place (cost of $40,000 covered by workplace insurance). Being there was really hard at first, 50 days ahead of me was daunting - super upset for about a week and then realized after meeting people and doing things that i was kind of enjoying it.

The addiction piece was alcoholics anonymous based, which i guess is pretty common. I wouldn't say it was a bad experience but it's a pretty brainwashy approach. I met a lot of good people, some annoying people, some crazies which was overall entertaining.

If you look into it the success rate on sobriety after being in rehab it's something like 1% if that - so like, it's not like something that's going to solve everything in your life by any means but it was a good 'soft reset'. If you're in a bad place and its available i'd say take it.

Worst part was being away from my wife, also i shared a room with 2 dudes which wasn't bad but not ideal because i snore like a mofo.


uUPHlAbAf2I

[Frankenbeanz]

uUPHlAbAf2I

lol, i did get this - honestly not from patients but from the staff mostly. They'd be like whatchu in for...no really...what else...??

[Ash Williams]

Rehab is the biggest scam going. If you dont want to quit, no amount of shame or pain will make you. You HAVE to want it, its a genuine requirement to succeed.

[Reiwa]

Rehab is the biggest scam going. If you dont want to quit, no amount of shame or pain will make you. You HAVE to want it, its a genuine requirement to succeed.

@unsung - is aversion therapy good and does it mean ECT?

[magnetaress]

no and yes

[Encroaching Death]

One of my friends died the day after he got out of rehab.

When I wanted to quit, I felt a huge amount of shame for how I was living, and I was dead tired of the violent lifestyle.

I was living out of my car, hiding from drug dealers that I was robbing across town with a crowbar.

One with a handgun that I borrowed in exchange for a gram of coke.

I was fucked up. One thing that stuck with me is how one of my childhood friend's mom looked at me one day. When growing up, she liked me because I was polite and behaved well. She looked at me with this fearful look.

Right into my soul. It was only a moment, but it made an impact and snapped me out of things.

[Reiwa]

One of my friends died the day after he got out of rehab.

When I wanted to quit, I felt a huge amount of shame for how I was living, and I was dead tired of the violent lifestyle.

I was living out of my car, hiding from drug dealers that I was robbing across town with a crowbar.

One with a handgun that I borrowed in exchange for a gram of coke.

I was fucked up. One thing that stuck with me is how one of my childhood friend's mom looked at me one day. When growing up, she liked me because I was polite and behaved well. She looked at me with this fearful look.

Right into my soul. It was only a moment, but it made an impact and snapped me out of things.

Do you have her number?

[Encroaching Death]

Do you have her number?

The mom?

[Reiwa]

The mom?

yes

[Reiwa]

You should give her a ring. Make some dreams come true.

[Encroaching Death]

I stopped hanging out with that guy because I did drugs with him.

He probably thinks I'm dead. Haven't spoken with him in years.

[unsunghero]

@unsung - is aversion therapy good and does it mean ECT?

I haven't heard of it used, so it can't be super often. Definitely nothing with shocks, the new fad is transcranial magnetic stimulation but that's to stimulate nerve cells, more for depression than addiction

ECT is a last resort, considered more radical than things like ketamine therapy. I don't think you can request it without presenting a history of other failed treatments, but I dunno

[unsunghero]

@unsung - is aversion therapy good and does it mean ECT?

If someone's looking to come off a benzo there's antidepressants that also treat anxiety, they just won't be fast-acting like a benzo is

Still not great to have to rely on a medication tho of course, IMO, if some other alternative existed

[Reiwa]

If someone's looking to come off a benzo there's antidepressants that also treat anxiety, they just won't be fast-acting like a benzo is

Still not great to have to rely on a medication tho of course, IMO, if some other alternative existed

Got me wrong bro. Piss up a rope.

[magnetaress]

brain lesions always work doesn't matter if they are caused by high voltage amperage or strong magnetic fields inducing them :p

[magnetaress]

butt yeah a lot of the aversion therapy is shock optional no one makes u do it butt u still do the aversion stuff it's the all or nothing approach i thinkg AAA does this?

[goblinmob]

Ever pee on your own balls?

[magnetaress]

yes

[goblinmob]

I asked a guy I work with and he didn't get the joke and started goin off about this time he was ice fishing. And I couldn't even let him finish his story I was laughing so hard cuz the guy next to me heard too and was trying to fuckin hide his grin

[magnetaress]

Man he probably had to pee on them to unstick them from the ice.

[Lune]

I asked a guy I work with and he didn't get the joke and started goin off about this time he was ice fishing. And I couldn't even let him finish his story I was laughing so hard cuz the guy next to me heard too and was trying to fuckin hide his grin

Fuck I miss working construction.

I'd get burned at the stake for asking any coworker this lol.

[magnetaress]

Also everything u need to know about balls

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/advice/a5986/problems-men-have-with-balls/

[goblinmob]

Hahaha! #12!..

[magnetaress]

#13 is why i cut mine off

[WokeCat]

test

[Reiwa]

good video

[magnetaress]

i_p8oje_uKs

3rd up vote )

[unsunghero]

Don’t do “poppers”, like ever

On scene with a deceased body atm, died from doing poppers, younger person too :/

[Endorra]

Don’t do “poppers”, like ever

On scene with a deceased body atm, died from doing poppers, younger person too :/

Guys that like poppers drive me nuts. I hate that shit. They get so into it, they don't want sex without poppers anymore. Ugh.

Or they keel over. Ugh.

[Encroaching Death]

Gay dudes use Poppers, right?

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/s2h7SQt.jpg

[Strifer]

Hope your buddy gets better and finds a girl in there to give him a grippy sock footjob.

[Strifer]

Also...when I commented before I more or less skimmed the thread...with this being in RnF for the love of all things good I hope yall are doing some creative writing, because if not goddamn I'm glad to see yall overcoming and doing better.

Makes me feel very fortunate that my party years were short lived and that the harder things didn't hook into me as bad as they could have

[goblinmob]

reminiscin' be like

[magnetaress]

I had a tilt table test and failed.

Pretty sure if I did those my brain would lose oxygen then die. I don't recover at all from that kind of stuff.

[unsunghero]

Gay dudes use Poppers, right?

Ok yes, I don’t want to mention too much because PHI but I just have to say a bit. I fucking have to…

So this was a gay guy, still dead on the ground, had to walk around him. I was there to talk to his grieving bf. The boyfriend told me that his bf in the morning will sometimes get on the “fuck machine” before work. When he does this he does poppers, which are what killed him. I didn’t actually know much about poppers but apparently like all inhalants they are extremely dangerous

His bf said that he knew something was wrong because his bf is normally very loud when using the fuck machine. He then held out two dog collars while crying, saying they will never be able to wear them again for “puppy play”. He then explained that this was a dom/sub fetish they had. And all of this in front of his mom

Now over the past 15yrs I’ve heard and seen some very weird shit, and because of that I have a great poker face. But it was pretty hard to not be sitting there like…

[Reiwa]

Ok yes, I don’t want to mention too much because PHI but I just have to say a bit. I fucking have to…

So this was a gay guy, still dead on the ground, had to walk around him. I was there to talk to his grieving bf. The boyfriend told me that his bf in the morning will sometimes get on the “fuck machine” before work. When he does this he does poppers, which are what killed him. I didn’t actually know much about poppers but apparently like all inhalants they are extremely dangerous

His bf said that he knew something was wrong because his bf is normally very loud when using the fuck machine. He then held out two dog collars while crying, saying they will never be able to wear them again for “puppy play”. He then explained that this was a dom/sub fetish they had. And all of this in front of his mom

Now over the past 15yrs I’ve heard and seen some very weird shit, and because of that I have a great poker face. But it was pretty hard to not be sitting there like…

Is this a poppers death or a perforation death we're talking about?

Check with the coroner and report back.

[unsunghero]

Is this a poppers death or a perforation death we're talking about?

Check with the coroner and report back.

Nah he almost bit his tongue in half so it was looking like a seizure from the poppers

Of course working in Behavioral health you either have grown a dark sense of humor or you’re new there, so discussing with co workers later I mentioned:

1. At least he died doing what he loved. There’s worst ways to go

2. Not sure what a fuck machine is or why you’d want to use one right after you wake up, but I think it might actually be able to cure me not being a morning person. If you could rig that thing to a timer and make it be my new alarm, I would actually start getting up BEFORE my alarm for the first time in my life. I’d hear the machine firing up and start prodding around my butt, and I’d be jumping out of bed like “I’m up! I’m up! Get that fucking thing away from me”

[Endorra]

Gay dudes use Poppers, right?

#notallgaydudes

I think me and like 3 others hate them.

[magnetaress]

Sounds like dude was in shock. He probably didn't kill his bf.

[unsunghero]

#notallgaydudes

I think me and like 3 others hate them.

Good thing because I believe like all inhalants the high is literal organic brain damage to the tissue. Not talking chemical levels being thrown off, at least in many cases those can correct themselves through homeostasis if the person abstains from the substance long enough. Organic brain damage is often permanent

I would rather lose both my legs than have early onset Alzheimer’s. At least with no legs I could still play video games and understand what is going on around me

[Encroaching Death]

Ok yes, I don’t want to mention too much because PHI but I just have to say a bit. I fucking have to…

So this was a gay guy, still dead on the ground, had to walk around him. I was there to talk to his grieving bf. The boyfriend told me that his bf in the morning will sometimes get on the “fuck machine” before work. When he does this he does poppers, which are what killed him. I didn’t actually know much about poppers but apparently like all inhalants they are extremely dangerous

His bf said that he knew something was wrong because his bf is normally very loud when using the fuck machine. He then held out two dog collars while crying, saying they will never be able to wear them again for “puppy play”. He then explained that this was a dom/sub fetish they had. And all of this in front of his mom

Now over the past 15yrs I’ve heard and seen some very weird shit, and because of that I have a great poker face. But it was pretty hard to not be sitting there like…

Gay dudes are always into some wild shit.

I dated a theater girl back in the day and so naturally, 90% of her friends were flamboyant gay men.

Those dudes be fucking 100% of the time. They probably fuck while they sleep.

She brought me to one of their birthday parties and they all got drunk running around in thongs, trying to see if I had a hairy ass because I was the only straight dude there.

It was horrifying and fascinating at the same time.

I almost respect it.

[A Knight]

I don't know if it's because I have had EQ taken away from me so many times. But I usually just imagine if all the drug addicts could play Everquest, maybe their addiction would go away.

I realize that does not apply, for people here already playing. It would be sad to play EQ so much that even classic is boring. But hey, what is, is.

I've personally had negative experiences with AA/Rehab. Sorry for saying that, because I wouldn't want to take away from someone seriously needing recovery. I felt like sharing though.

But I'm from a different camp. I hope all people with drug problems, get the help they need. Or replace the drugs with something else in life.

I'm from the camp, where I've been tortured against my will. So, I never was down with people telling me, all my problems are booze, and I choose to this and that.

I feel bad saying that though, because I really do think rehab is good for those who need help from drug addiction. I just felt like sharing. I hope you all find your cure.

[A Knight]

" It would be sad to play EQ so much that even classic is boring. But hey, what is, is." I didn't mean sad in a condescending way.

[Encroaching Death]

Addiction tends to jump from one thing to another.

So if you're not currently addicted to a drug, you're probably addicted to a game or sewing or painting.

Addictive personalities...

It almost feels off when you're NOT addicted to something.

[unsunghero]

Addiction tends to jump from one thing to another.

So if you're not currently addicted to a drug, you're probably addicted to a game or sewing or painting.

Addictive personalities...

It almost feels off when you're NOT addicted to something.

Ya gaming addiction translates well to exercise addiction

Usually gamers are able to dial in on what they are doing, are fairly studious on learning the META, and are very used to micromanaging all these variables to min/max. Oh and usually pretty patient when it comes to grinding

So you switch the META to learning the best proper exercises/activity, min/maxing is supps/nutrition’s effect on performance, and having the patience to grind for years gaining only tiny fractions of improvement along the way is sort of the same thing in different form

[Jibartik]

Addiction tends to jump from one thing to another.

So if you're not currently addicted to a drug, you're probably addicted to a game or sewing or painting.

Addictive personalities...

It almost feels off when you're NOT addicted to something.

Have I told you how great god is since I quit drinking?

https://i.imgur.com/d59pxLQ.png

[Jibartik]

Everquest keeps me out of trouble.

https://i.imgur.com/d59pxLQ.png

[cc0]

Go to AA / NA / SA or whatever group is appropriate, work the steps with a sponsor. No sponsor, no recovery. GL.

[Encroaching Death]

Go to AA / NA / SA or whatever group is appropriate, work the steps with a sponsor. No sponsor, no recovery. GL.

I didn't have a sponsor and I recovered.

I had a horrible experience at NA, personally.

Got into a huge argument with the lead guy the first night I went. He berated me for taking Suboxone in an attempt to quit. Basically gatekeeping bullshit. As if going cold turkey was the only TRUE way.

No shame in using Saboxone, Subutex, or Kratom when trying to get clean.

You absolutely do need a support group of some sort though. Family, friends, etc.

People who will keep you on the straight and narrow and won't enable you.