I read the PNPs outdoor camp guideline but still...

[acrostoa]

I'm very new, only a couple of weeks old but I've spent a good deal of that time hunting in Paineel. It has been a lot of fun and I have made more than a few friends by peddling crack, err, breeze then clarity to my fellow players in the zone. I've learned which spawns makeup which camps and even some of their respawn times. I have graduated from the SK Guild courtyard onto the 3 spawn bank camp.

However, it's really frustrating when a very high-level player comes and kills the spawns I'm trying to charm fight against each other. Last night, the same high-level player and I were the only two individuals in the zone. But still, he had to kill the ones I was trying to charm fight. I asked if they could hunt literally anywhere else as the zone was empty, and was told the sky is visible so they could kill whatever they wanted. I was frustrated so I just logged off.

I logged in today and was camping the same 3 spawns at bank camp. Charming one, waiting for the other pathing mob to come by so I can root it. Charm fight those two, while I medded back up. Then take the survivor and fight it against the third with my newly aquired enchanter damage shield. I don't have outstanding gear and I'm not high level so it takes some time. But the same high-level player from last night logs in and picks up where they left off by killing the bank mobs. Again, there are other spawns available. I ask the high-level person again if they could go hunt elsewhere, and get told the same thing as last night, that the sky is visible and so they can kill anything I'm not currently fighting.

So I give up the blue bank spawns that give me xp and move over to the green skeles in a different part of the zone. That high-level player leaves the bank camp and comes and kills the mobs where I'm hunting. He doesn't even bother to slay the bank camp spawns, just leaves them. The high-level player comes to where I am, and kills those at my new camp. I try to move back to bank camp but I'm still limited by my mana and my need to med after mezzing, tashing, and charming which gives the high-level player time to come slay the other bank camp spawns as I'm medding.

It just sucks and tbh it kinda ruined my morning playtime. It feels like harassment and certainly doesn't feel like they're playing nice but seemingly, according to the letter of the rules, it's an acceptable play style, and that is just a bummer.

Anywho, thanks for reading and I hope your day started off better than mine :)

[Fammaden]

Name and shame.

[acrostoa]

I want to preface this by saying that I spoke with an officer of their guild and that guild officer was kind and understanding and even suggested I leave the zone and head for Highkeep or Kurns tower to avoid the high-level player and promised they would relay my concerns to guild leadership so I don't want the guild attacked.

But the player is Selush and their guild is Ancient Blood, the iskar-only guild. I think he is a necromancer but he is annomyous so I'm not sure as I'm new. Selush was doing this to others in the zone too. Which one at least also petitioned over the same behavior as I did.

[cd288]

Iirc I’ve heard that name in negative light elsewhere as well. Seems like a real POS.

Also seems to not be very good at the game if the best idea he can come up with for farming plat is abusing newbies in paineel

[tadkins]

OP: Sorry that happened to you. Makes me sad when I hear stories like that. From what I'm hearing here, the server would be far better off without that guy around. I hope the GMs take action.


Also seems to not be very good at the game if the best idea he can come up with for farming plat is abusing newbies in paineel

Tbh the only real ways I know of how to make money as a wizard are killing OoT longsword sisters and porting people. But I also admit I'm not very good, maybe one day I'll find a better way. I certainly wouldn't try to KS someone else at that camp though.

[Kich867]

Iirc I’ve heard that name in negative light elsewhere as well. Seems like a real POS.

Also seems to not be very good at the game if the best idea he can come up with for farming plat is abusing newbies in paineel

I think that's the thing that irks me the most here, it's not like it's a class that can't solo so they're blasting low mobs for a little cash or something. They're a high level necro, you can be getting better xp / money / both virtually anywhere else that doesn't involve griefing newbs.

Fortunately in my own experience it's been fairly rare to run into these situations, so don't expect this to happen all the time to you acrostoa. I've been on p99 for years and have had very, very few issues with people intruding on my camps, MOST people are receptive and respectful to established camps.

Technically though, they're correct, in that they can just go contest those spawns. Sometimes you just have to take the L. I've had quads that go terribly wrong, consume way too much mana due to unlucky resists, the mobs start respawning before I can recover mana for another quad, and someone else comes in and rightfully takes the mobs because on this one particular repop I couldn't immediately grab them. It's a bummer but in those moments you have to accept losing the mob(s).

[Kich867]

OP: Sorry that happened to you. Makes me sad when I hear stories like that. From what I'm hearing here, the server would be far better off without that guy around. I hope the GMs take action.



Tbh the only real ways I know of how to make money as a wizard are killing OoT longsword sisters and porting people. But I also admit I'm not very good, maybe one day I'll find a better way. I certainly wouldn't try to KS someone else at that camp though.

What level are you? You can look towards quadding mobs that drop fine steel / coin, camping giants, quadding wyverns in Cobalt Scar or suits in Wakening Land.

The best way to make money in general though is to just get higher level, things just start dropping better vendor loot or gems/trinkets that sell for a lot to vendors, it adds up quickly.

[tadkins]

What level are you? You can look towards quadding mobs that drop fine steel / coin, camping giants, quadding wyverns in Cobalt Scar or suits in Wakening Land.

The best way to make money in general though is to just get higher level, things just start dropping better vendor loot or gems/trinkets that sell for a lot to vendors, it adds up quickly.

53. I've quadded a ton on my journey to get there, from Splitpaw gnolls, EK guards, Spirocs and Wyverns. I haven't tried the WL suits yet.

They're good exp for sure but not really reliable when I need a serious infusion of cash, in my experience. I have yet to find a better source of income than OOT sisters and Rivervale guards. Porting can be better than that on some nights too. :)

[cd288]

Some of the dwarf guards in bb are quadable there’s like 12 spawns always drop at least 5 pp weapons plus a couple plat plus sometimes additional FS weapons as well.

Wyverns are good as they drop gems that can be censored for like 40-50pp usually (sometimes I think they drop velious class armor gems as well that can be sold to players for like 100 pp).

Suits are good too

Maybe you could quad geos by pulling them out of the caves but tough if shamans spawn.

[unsunghero]

You should always defer mobs to people who get exp from them

Wiping out an entire zone as a high level player for vendor trash drops is an empty-zone luxury only. It is not a right

Don’t be a dick

[Kich867]

53. I've quadded a ton on my journey to get there, from Splitpaw gnolls, EK guards, Spirocs and Wyverns. I haven't tried the WL suits yet.

They're good exp for sure but not really reliable when I need a serious infusion of cash, in my experience. I have yet to find a better source of income than OOT sisters and Rivervale guards. Porting can be better than that on some nights too. :)

Ya, I think I've made around 10k plat in the last couple of weeks just quadding wyverns and suits and vendoring like 80% of it. I've gotten lucky though and gotten 5 Crushed Flame Emeralds which was ~2k plat or so. Porting can definitely be more on busy days though, but yea--sounds like you know how to make plat then you're all set.

[tadkins]

Some of the dwarf guards in bb are quadable there’s like 12 spawns always drop at least 5 pp weapons plus a couple plat plus sometimes additional FS weapons as well.

Wyverns are good as they drop gems that can be censored for like 40-50pp usually (sometimes I think they drop velious class armor gems as well that can be sold to players for like 100 pp).

Suits are good too

Maybe you could quad geos by pulling them out of the caves but tough if shamans spawn.

Wyverns are okay, they're great when they drop their gems. In my experience at least it's mostly just a couple of plat plus a meat though. At least wyvern pickles are tasty. xD
You should always defer mobs to people who get exp from them

Wiping out an entire zone as a high level player for vendor trash drops is an empty-zone luxury only. It is not a right

Don’t be a dick

Yeah one of my favorite things to do is to pull all of CB or BB and AoE it down. I make sure to only go there when no one else is though.

Ya, I think I've made around 10k plat in the last couple of weeks just quadding wyverns and suits and vendoring like 80% of it. I've gotten lucky though and gotten 5 Crushed Flame Emeralds which was ~2k plat or so. Porting can definitely be more on busy days though, but yea--sounds like you know how to make plat then you're all set.

For sure, I know how to do that much at least.

Would love to one day be able to afford a big ticket item though, to learn how to make *that* kind of money. Most of you are probably swimming in fungis and whatnot; i'm sitting here wondering how i'll ever get a tolan's bracer.

[acrostoa]

After talking to Selush's guild master, Selush threatened me with more problems if I didn't delete my petition.

I thank you all for your support, it really made me feel better, but after Selush's last threats, it's not worth it to me. I think I'll move on to something less stressful.

But thanks to everyone that expressed encouragement. You folks are awesome!

[tadkins]

After talking to Selush's guild master, Selush threatened me with more problems if I didn't delete my petition.

I thank you all for your support, it really made me feel better, but after Selush's last threats, it's not worth it to me. I think I'll move on to something less stressful.

But thanks to everyone that expressed encouragement. You folks are awesome!

Wow. I need to be sure to keep a Hate stone on me for the day that asshat requests a port.

Threats like that should be grounds for the GMs to actually get rid of his ass. I hope you don't give up on P99, the community usually doesn't tolerate that kind of thing.

[unsunghero]

After talking to Selush's guild master, Selush threatened me with more problems if I didn't delete my petition.

I thank you all for your support, it really made me feel better, but after Selush's last threats, it's not worth it to me. I think I'll move on to something less stressful.

But thanks to everyone that expressed encouragement. You folks are awesome!

Sounds like an empty threat. Anything he could do to retaliate would likely be more petitionable behavior. Tell him to go fuck himself

Don’t let the douchebags with diagnosable personality disorders bully you around. That will only reinforce their tactics to themselves

[Kich867]

After talking to Selush's guild master, Selush threatened me with more problems if I didn't delete my petition.

I thank you all for your support, it really made me feel better, but after Selush's last threats, it's not worth it to me. I think I'll move on to something less stressful.

But thanks to everyone that expressed encouragement. You folks are awesome!

Definitely don't delete your petition, dude sounds like a tool.

[Gloomlord]

You should always defer mobs to people who get exp from them

Wiping out an entire zone as a high level player for vendor trash drops is an empty-zone luxury only. It is not a right

Don’t be a dick

I've had the same problem in the Rathe Mountains, with level 60s root rotting 4+ giants whilst people clear placeholders trying to get them to spawn.

[Nibbles]

Gotta love it when a 58 necro comes into Kurns and completely wipes out every skele around instead of paying 7pp/stack for chips.

[cd288]

I've had the same problem in the Rathe Mountains, with level 60s root rotting 4+ giants whilst people clear placeholders trying to get them to spawn.

Zone disruption. Petition it

[cd288]

Wyverns are okay, they're great when they drop their gems. In my experience at least it's mostly just a couple of plat plus a meat though. At least wyvern pickles are tasty. xD


Yeah one of my favorite things to do is to pull all of CB or BB and AoE it down. I make sure to only go there when no one else is though.



For sure, I know how to do that much at least.

Would love to one day be able to afford a big ticket item though, to learn how to make *that* kind of money. Most of you are probably swimming in fungis and whatnot; i'm sitting here wondering how i'll ever get a tolan's bracer.

If you quadded Wyverns for a whole level you would make more money than killing OOT sisters or Rivervale guards. The gems will drop enough that you will make solid plat.

[Gloomlord]

Gotta love it when a 58 necro comes into Kurns and completely wipes out every skele around instead of paying 7pp/stack for chips.

But, apparently, these 3 circumstances we've listed are perfectly acceptable.

What's next? A level 50+ clearing orc camps in EC to get belts and faction?

[Gloomlord]

Zone disruption. Petition it

This has happened multiple times on my characters. Each time I've complained about it, people took their side. I was even told recently that "It's Rathe; everyone's an arsehole here!" as an excuse.

I'll consider it in the future.

[cd288]

But, apparently, these 3 circumstances we've listed are perfectly acceptable.

What's next? A level 50+ clearing orc camps in EC to get belts and faction?

A necro doing that would be zone disruption under the PNP. It's not acceptable at all.

This has happened multiple times on my characters. Each time I've complained about it, people took their side. I was even told recently that "It's Rathe; everyone's an arsehole here!" as an excuse.

I'll consider it in the future.

What other players think/if they take someone's side is irrelevant. Like completely irrelevant. They aren't staff members. I would bet the staff would consider someone root rotting 4+ giants at one time as zone disruption.

[Chortles Snortles]

i mean if he was there first ok, but if not - then dick move
some of us like comfy green mobs slaying for monies which require 0 brain cells

[PatChapp]

For sure, I like to clear sol a gobbies ok my mage when I have nothing more interesting to do.
You can do it and not be a dick tho,easy enough to leave an area alone.

[Tunabros]

rules are rules, he did nothing wrong but be an asshole

[unsunghero]

For sure, I like to clear sol a gobbies ok my mage when I have nothing more interesting to do.
You can do it and not be a dick tho,easy enough to leave an area alone.

This is where I learned. Freshie new to the server and soon after I zoned into Sol B (or A, I forget which is the lower level one) I would get a tell from a lev 50+ mage already there saying he was farming them for money and asked what side I wanted for exp. If another group had that side then when I zoned in he would simply leave

So I assumed this was standard procedure and did the same once I was too high level to get exp there anymore. I would usually just leave as soon as lowbies started moving in for exp

There’s lots of other places to farm vendor trash. If everyone was a dick like the person the OP is describing than many zones would remain unplayable for lowbies almost permanently (or at least until weird off hours like 3am)

It’s like littering. It’s no big deal if only a single asshole does it, but if it ever gets close to mainstream your town now looks like a shithole. So shame litterbugs

[acrostoa]

I was there first for an hour or so before Selush showed up so no, they weren't farming greens for plat.

The first night that this happened, it was just me in the zone until he logged in. I got tired of it so I logged out.

The second day this happened, I was doing bank camp again. A friend was doing palace. Selush logged it at started killing the bank camp again. I got tired of it so i moved over to the palace to kill the lowbie skeles while my friend did the level 30 ones. Selush left the bank camp alone after I left it. Selush then came and started killing the lowbie skeles. I asked if he could go hunt at bank or elsewhere and was told again that the sky is visible. I then left the lowbie palace skeles and went back to bank. Selush left the lowbie skeles and went back to the bank to kill the Guard Yerlash while I was mezzing Guard P and then Selush killed the bank guard that starts with a B before he could path over to me bc if I dont wait, the 4 super red musical skeles pound me to oblivion.

It's a clear pattern of harassment. The first night, he could have hunted anywhere else. The second day, he could have taken either the bank guards or the lowbie palace guards, or the red palace guards in either the left or right wing of palace where my friend wasnt, or Selush could have went and killed SK Guild camp. He ignored everyting except where I wasn't and where my friend wasn't. I wasn't the only one he did this to but I am the one he continues to harass.

[tadkins]

If you quadded Wyverns for a whole level you would make more money than killing OOT sisters or Rivervale guards. The gems will drop enough that you will make solid plat.

True. I guess it's the perception of things. The sisters/guards feel like more money since it's more consistent, but the wyverns do drop 50-400p gems every so often, just not all the time.

The second day this happened, I was doing bank camp again. A friend was doing palace. Selush logged it at started killing the bank camp again. I got tired of it so i moved over to the palace to kill the lowbie skeles while my friend did the level 30 ones. Selush left the bank camp alone after I left it. Selush then came and started killing the lowbie skeles. I asked if he could go hunt at bank or elsewhere and was told again that the sky is visible. I then left the lowbie palace skeles and went back to bank. Selush left the lowbie skeles and went back to the bank to kill the Guard Yerlash while I was mezzing Guard P and then Selush killed the bank guard that starts with a B before he could path over to me bc if I dont wait, the 4 super red musical skeles pound me to oblivion.

Man. You know where else the "sky is visible"? Skyfire Mountains. Someone needs to drop him there via wizard teleport.

[cd288]

I was there first for an hour or so before Selush showed up so no, they weren't farming greens for plat.

The first night that this happened, it was just me in the zone until he logged in. I got tired of it so I logged out.

The second day this happened, I was doing bank camp again. A friend was doing palace. Selush logged it at started killing the bank camp again. I got tired of it so i moved over to the palace to kill the lowbie skeles while my friend did the level 30 ones. Selush left the bank camp alone after I left it. Selush then came and started killing the lowbie skeles. I asked if he could go hunt at bank or elsewhere and was told again that the sky is visible. I then left the lowbie palace skeles and went back to bank. Selush left the lowbie skeles and went back to the bank to kill the Guard Yerlash while I was mezzing Guard P and then Selush killed the bank guard that starts with a B before he could path over to me bc if I dont wait, the 4 super red musical skeles pound me to oblivion.

It's a clear pattern of harassment. The first night, he could have hunted anywhere else. The second day, he could have taken either the bank guards or the lowbie palace guards, or the red palace guards in either the left or right wing of palace where my friend wasnt, or Selush could have went and killed SK Guild camp. He ignored everyting except where I wasn't and where my friend wasn't. I wasn't the only one he did this to but I am the one he continues to harass.

You’re 100% right. Do not delete your petition. If he keeps threatening you there are people with disposable accounts on green who’d be happy to return the griefing favor on him ;)

[magnetaress]

Please allow me to advocate for red 2.0 to be FFA, item loot, vanilla locked, and all lvls with no PnP.

[tadkins]

Please allow me to advocate for red 2.0 to be FFA, item loot, vanilla locked, and all lvls with no PnP.

Solve the problem with a server that'd give the OP's bully even more avenues to grief and torment him?

[magnetaress]

Solve the problem with a server that'd give the OP's bully even more avenues to grief and torment him?

How so? Op and Ops bully are on a much more level playing field without moderators calling the shots. Then it comes down to socially engineering ur fellow players OR playing better (picking a better class, actually getting gud, like using clickies). Instead of mod manipulation. MMOs are supposed to be about the former (social engineering) not the latter (exploitation of the rules, manipulation of the developer or moderators).

The truth is. Only the sick are good at the latter. The good are good at the former. So ppl who actually have fun socializing in constructive and creative ways don't actually play on blue or green.

Hope this helps.

[tadkins]

By "mod manipulation" are you just talking about rule enforcement? 'Cause a server without rules where everyone can just do whatever they want to each other sounds like a miserable experience, tbh.

[magnetaress]

Thats what happens now.

There are fewer good ppl. And more bad ppl. That's why there are more ppl in hell (bluegreen) than red (heaven) only the richeous can survive free will. Where as the sinners need Satan to show himself through his power authority and providence over others, rules. Aka domination.

Also know as lawful evil. The biggest difference is on an FFA pvp no pnp server it's the players themselves that make and enforce rules and consent. Rather than the corrupt few who selectively enforce rules "to the best of their frail human abilities". Against consent. Because sometimes the rules are enforced, sometimes not. For the benefit of the most persistent and effective liars and manipulators. With no chance if you enforcing your own rule independently. Which kind of bullying is better? Healthier? More sane? Best to live free rather than queue up subjugated and restrained behind artificial and seldom accurately or equally enforced limits.

In all my 23 years of Everquest. This I have learned.

[acrostoa]

Please allow me to advocate for red 2.0 to be FFA, item loot, vanilla locked, and all lvls with no PnP.

I have a career where I get to play a capitalist cutthroat who maintains compliance through fear of retribution. Know what I don't want to do in my off time? The same thing but unpaid.

I've enjoyed playing on this PNP server where I can be kind, help others out, and not be potentially screwed by others at any given moment. If some poopsockers want to experience that, they can go play on a nonPNP red server.

One other thing, your definition of what an MMO is, is just that, your definition. Not THE definition and certainly not my definition.

Thanks for sharing your perspective though.

[tadkins]

I don't agree. This does happen now, but us regular players have a recourse against those who break the rules and grief us. In your world I wouldn't be allowed to have that option, and those without an army of friends to come to our aid would have absolutely no way to handle our bullies. Not everyone's going to be strong enough to handle that, especially if I were a 30ish enchanter against a 50ish necromancer.

Not everyone's interested in that kind of of harsh cutthroat dog-eat-dog world. RL is already enough like that and I already struggle there. Game doesn't need to be that way either.

Edit: replying to magnetaress there

[magnetaress]

The point is to become strong enough. That's life's most greatest quest and the purpose of it. Then to pass that strength on to others.

[tadkins]

Not everyone can become strong. I prefer a world where we have compassion and empathy for one another. With order and stability and a place in it for everyone, even the weak.

[magnetaress]

I have a career where I get to play a capitalist cutthroat who maintains compliance through fear of retribution. Know what I don't want to do in my off time? The same thing but unpaid.


This just described my experience on green perfectly. Thank you. Lol. Especially if I try to be honorable. Or take matters into my own hands. Or spare begging the elites for "help".

Sorry, being at the mercy of those with privileges and fraps isn't at all fun. Especially when it's so easy to bot and script, and make throw away accounts as a metagame yet having no desire to break those rules myself.

[magnetaress]

Not everyone can become strong. I prefer a world where we have compassion and empathy for one another. With order and stability and a place in it for everyone, even the weak.

You can't ever demand or expect compassion.

It's an illusion within an authoritarian system.

Real compassion does exist on red99 tho. Having real players invested in the game and servers health come to my aid, not forced, not because of a job, or duty, because it was the right thing to do. That is special.

There aren't enough GMs heavily invested in integrity. Granted most if not all have been mostly alright, despite their failings.... there really just isn't enough, and who checks the people checking? Or the people checking the checkers?

Everyone should be able to enforce the rules tho.

[tadkins]

You can't ever demand or expect compassion.

I can expect a basic level of it in an organized society. We all pay to maintain it after all. I wouldn't be getting the help I'm currently receiving in your desired world and I would probably be dead in a ditch from starvation by now.

It's the same with this game. I joined knowing there are rules and GMs who enforce them. If folks want to grief me, then I can continue on confidently knowing there is a recourse against that.

Real compassion does exist on red99 tho. Having real players invested in the game and servers health come to my aid, not forced, not because of a job, or duty, because it was the right thing to do. That is special.

I think if that were true, Red would have a much healthier population than it currently does. Something doesn't add up there though.

[acrostoa]

Not everyone can become strong. I prefer a world where we have compassion and empathy for one another. With order and stability and a place in it for everyone, even the weak.

It's not weak. Evolution has selected for those traits and that's why the vast majority of us exhibit them. They are a very successful solution to the challenges posed by nature.

A horse is born able to walk. A whale is born able to swim. A human is born able to request help.

These online anarchists espouse a desire to live that way where their behavior has limited repercussions. They are truly hot house flowers that can't enact their detached, fictional, dog-eat-dog ideology in the real world because sociopaths truly exist there and they get weeded out very quickly without a state/king/strongman to allow them to exist.

Let's hope they never have to experience in real life what they are so quick to advocate for online.

I just want to thank everyone again for taking the time to read the thread and input their perspectives. You folks are great!

[tadkins]

Let's hope they never have to experience in real life what they are so quick to advocate for online.


Hear hear. Reading that sort of thing gets depressing, but then I remind myself that we don't actually live in that sort of world and I feel thankful. xD

[magnetaress]

without a state/king/strongman to allow them to exist.


Very tldr drug post about whales walking. This part is highly accurate tho.

The young people of this world raging at their employers and politicians and parents to fix their problems....

Is directly analogous...and I'm sure the GMs feel this deeply aswell from their perspective. I doubt they will confirm however.

Yes phsychos exist. They are definitely only further emboldened when handed UN leadership and given rotational priority over select mobs through either some lottery systems or easily gamable or scriptable FTE system. Make them also the leadership of only like the three main large zerg guilds dominating the system and its easy to see why the aforementioned proponents of this system suffer Stockholm syndrome and are gaslighting me for suggesting there's a better way outlined by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ himself. Who went into the temple and cast out the usurers.

[tadkins]

The young people of this world raging at their employers and politicians and parents to fix their problems....
Why not? Those employers and politicians and parents all built a world where these problems exist. Young people today don't get the same opportunities they had, of course they're going to rage and try to get them fixed.

Yes phsychos exist. They are definitely only further emboldened when handed UN leadership and given rotational priority over select mobs through either some lottery systems or easily gamable or scriptable FTE system. Make them also the leadership of only like the three main large zero guilds dominating the system and its easy to see why the aforementioned proponents of this system suffer Stockholm syndrome and are gaslighting me for suggesting there's a better way outlined by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ himself. Who went into the temple and cast out the usurers.

I won't disagree that the current endgame system is pretty messed up, and I wish we had a more cooperative server where everyone got a chance to fight a dragon. Turning it into a big FFA mess isn't the answer though.

For the record, you can declare Jesus as your lord, but he sure as hell ain't mine. Let's get that clear.

[magnetaress]

All I'm suggesting is that for a time a fresh red 2.0 FFA server will be more socially dynamic and interesting. And ppl will still form an in group getting all the pixels in the end, yes. I'll admit to that.

For a time though.

It would be glorious.

[tadkins]

All I'm suggesting is that for a time a fresh red 2.0 FFA server will be more socially dynamic and interesting. And ppl will still form an in group getting all the pixels in the end, yes. I'll admit to that.

For a time though.

It would be glorious.

Way back in the day I played on Sullon Zek when it first opened (was way younger back then, far different mindset lols) which is exactly what you described.

They eventually had to implement rules when one dude flagrantly exploited the no-rule policy (Fansy the Famous Bard). It was also the lowest pop server during its lifetime by far.

Just based off experience, I don't really think such a server would work out here. Maybe the GMs will put in the work to make it at some point though.

[magnetaress]

Way back in the day I played on Sullon Zek when it first opened (was way younger back then, far different mindset lols) which is exactly what you described.

They eventually had to implement rules when one dude flagrantly exploited the no-rule policy (Fansy the Famous Bard). It was also the lowest pop server during its lifetime by far.

Just based off experience, I don't really think such a server would work out here. Maybe the GMs will put in the work to make it at some point though.

Just remember. Fansy was team good. The underdog. Fighting against all odds for a better Norrath. Dominated by team evul.

[acrostoa]

Why not? Those employers and politicians and parents all built a world where these problems exist. Young people today don't get the same opportunities they had, of course, they're going to rage and try to get them fixed

For real.

The US borrowed heavily to build schools, parks, pools, housing, universities, and trade schools, just to name a few, for Boomers. In the 60s the cost of world-class universities like UC Berkeley, for both undergrad and graduate school combined would cost 5-7k adjusted for inflation and they had a 76% acceptance rate.

Then those Boomers got their educations, their homes, etc, and then pulled up the ladder after them after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and other legislation. Then those pools were filled in, literally. The parks were demolished, literally. College Education was made expensive by allowing usurers to take over the funding. Single-family housing became a preferred way to buy votes from Boomer homeowners who saw their value increase exponentially from perennial housing shortages. Wages were decoupled from productivity in the mid-70s to allow our CEOs to make 381 times what their workers earn while the average American makes less today, adjusted for inflation than they did in the 70s. The 1% redistributed $50 trillion from the bottom 90% over the last 50 years. All that wealth allowed them to buy politicians to rewrite the law to the point where Jeff Bezos can claim and RECEIVE the child tax credit meant for folks who make less than $35k. That isn't an exaggeration. It happened in 2013.

All that the young folk want is what was given to Boomers by the Greatest Generation without the redlining, the separate drinking fountains, and the like. And they especially don't want to become serfs to neofeudalist lords.

And that perspective is brought you to by a conservative Repub of 20 years who doesn't go in for billionaire propaganda. I ain't no communist. Though, if the successor to ITER does become reality and automation/ai continues on its current trajectory so that energy and labor become practically free, that could change.

Just my 2 cents. Love all the opinions expressed.

[magnetaress]

For real.

The US borrowed heavily to build schools, parks, pools, housing, universities, and trade schools, just to name a few, for Boomers. In the 60s the cost of world-class universities like UC Berkeley, for both undergrad and graduate school combined would cost 5-7k adjusted for inflation and they had a 76% acceptance rate.

Then those Boomers got their educations, their homes, etc, and then pulled up the ladder after them after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and other legislation. Then those pools were filled in, literally. The parks were demolished, literally. College Education was made expensive by allowing usurers to take over the funding. Single-family housing became a preferred way to buy votes from Boomer homeowners who saw their value increase exponentially from perennial housing shortages. Wages were decoupled from productivity in the mid-70s to allow our CEOs to make 381 times what their workers earn while the average American makes less today, adjusted for inflation than they did in the 70s. The 1% redistributed $50 trillion from the bottom 90% over the last 50 years. All that wealth allowed them to buy politicians to rewrite the law to the point where Jeff Bezos can claim and RECEIVE the child tax credit meant for folks who make less than $35k. That isn't an exaggeration. It happened in 2013.

All that the young folk want is what was given to Boomers by the Greatest Generation without the redlining, the separate drinking fountains, and the like. And they especially don't want to become serfs to neofeudalist lords.

And that perspective is brought you to by a conservative Repub of 20 years who doesn't go in for billionaire propaganda. I ain't no communist. Though, if the successor to ITER does become reality and automation/ai continues on its current trajectory so that energy and labor become practically free, that could change.

Just my 2 cents. Love all the opinions expressed.
Really great post. Thank you.

[Gloomlord]

I really didn't expect, or want, this thread to turn into another ringing endorsement of the hypocrisy of world PvP.

World PvP in EQ, just like in WoW, is about griefing. There is nothing more to it than that.

[Jibartik]

So if we roll back civil rights we can have all that stuff back?

[tadkins]

Just remember. Fansy was team good. The underdog. Fighting against all odds for a better Norrath. Dominated by team evul.

Yes he was. :) I was team neutral, I cheered on his efforts against the OP evil team.

Just pointing out that a total no-rules server just wouldn't work. Even that no-rules server eventually had to get rules.

[tadkins]

All that the young folk want is what was given to Boomers by the Greatest Generation without the redlining, the separate drinking fountains, and the like. And they especially don't want to become serfs to neofeudalist lords.


Well said. What we have now is not sustainable.

[tadkins]

So if we roll back civil rights we can have all that stuff back?

Doesn't look like it. They basically are getting rolled back, and we've gotten squat out of it.

[magnetaress]

I really didn't expect, or want, this thread to turn into another ringing endorsement of the hypocrisy of world PvP.

World PvP in EQ, just like in WoW, is about griefing. There is nothing more to it than that.

Let's take wow pve for example I can sit at a spawn point in Nazjatar spamming mind sear instantly tagging mobs and graying them out to other players. Denying ir delaying them the ability to get ex, loot, finishing quests. Is this not pvp? It's definitely pve. It's also pvp.

All competitive aspects of these games can be "pvp" especially FTE. Camping a single spawn or even /list camps diminishing a players random chances at any item even without outright Denying them.

Let's not kid ourselves that both cooperative and competitive gameplay exist in both pvp and pve environs and they aren't mutually exclusive. Both require certain skillsets. Both can be abused.

Honestly people on blue, green, in my many years of experience are way more persistent, territorial, competative, simultaneously anticompetitive (actively seeking to destroy other people's ability to compete like antitrust). Vs being cooperative. People on red have been in general far more cooperative, especially when there was less GM interference. And the servers where younger. When there's a common goal most people will cooperate to achieve it within a competitive environment regardless of the rules.

It's really disingenuous to say pvp isn't a cooperative or social game and that there aren't noble and ideal ways of playing the game with pvp being an option. And simultaneously erroneous to say people won't be toxic just because it's pve only. It's possible to have a chilled out laid back experience in either environment. And possible to have a perfectly miserable time at manastone, fungi, or jboots on both sets of servers. On blue and green you best be frapsing for sure because even if you where Honestly the first person to engage or be at the spawn already that guy with 50 manastones on his corpses littered around the spawn will definitely fake screenshots and reports u falsely.

I'd rather just invite some friends over for pizza and have an in game group with me. More than likely the toxic players who are bad and abusive people are perpetually soloers or loners and won't be able to harras people legitimately on an FFA server with an active population of roleplayers and do-gooders. Those people don't exist on p99 because they are driven off by the hordes of shut ins. Bots, and boxers, and long time lawyerquesters. Rules lawyers. It's just fatiguing endlessly dealing with the constant threat of a permaban and loosing years of progress. If it was pvp only the worst you could lose out on was a few hours or days and just have to log into an alt and go RP it up in unrest or CB for a bit.

People are thoroughly attached to and brainwashed their in game pixel rights tho. The upside is if you submit to the right groups on blue or green you can be "granted your turn in line". Most of those people are Honestly horrible tho and not worth playing with however.

Tldr. Green is just pvp frapsquest. It's not really classic and no longer really a fantasy game at this point. Nor an mmo. It's a pvp metagame. Where killshots are measured in permabans, suspies, guild bans, guild disbands etc.

[tadkins]

Let's take wow pve for example I can sit at a spawn point in Nazjatar spamming mind sear instantly tagging mobs and graying them out to other players. Denying ir delaying them the ability to get ex, loot, finishing quests. Is this not pvp? It's definitely pve. It's also pvp.


Actually in WoW mobs are shared tag now. I believe they only grey out if the person tagging is in a full group, or if they're tagged by an opposite faction member.

But yep WoW actually probably is a better game for someone like me; quiet, not very social, doesn't have a guild or friends. It offers far more solo content/ability to solo. But at the moment I'm stuck here due to an incident with my old computer. P99 is about the only game this cheap laptop can really handle. Right now I'm just trying my best here. I do speak from the perspective of someone who typically is alone though, who always struggled to find groups for content, and whom running a dungeon in this game higher than crushbone or blackburrow is a hilarious fantasy. I'd still love to see a dragon here one day, or at least do a group quest to earn something that simply can't be bought in the EC tunnel.

I do agree though, it sucks that one needs to have to suck up to the right group of folks controlling the content to do it here, even if they are terrible people that you'd never want to hang out with.

[magnetaress]

Actually in WoW mobs are shared tag now. I believe they only grey out if the person tagging is in a full group, or if they're tagged by an opposite faction member.

But yep WoW actually probably is a better game for someone like me; quiet, not very social, doesn't have a guild or friends. It offers far more solo content/ability to solo. But at the moment I'm stuck here due to an incident with my old computer. P99 is about the only game this cheap laptop can really handle. Right now I'm just trying my best here. I do speak from the perspective of someone who typically is alone though, who always struggled to find groups for content, and whom running a dungeon in this game higher than crushbone or blackburrow is a hilarious fantasy. I'd still love to see a dragon here one day, or at least do a group quest to earn something that simply can't be bought in the EC tunnel.

I do agree though, it sucks that one needs to have to suck up to the right group of folks controlling the content to do it here, even if they are terrible people that you'd never want to hang out with.

Yeah that's how I played the game for years and enjoy it.

You're playing for fun and that's where it's at.

I'm actually much more social in wow because most content is instanced there for its mostly just a cooperative endeavor by my group. There's still the race to world first stuff butt that only factors in when pushing progress.

I last about three weeks on a lvl 60 toon in eq...and recently that level cap for me personally was more like around lvl 40. And I love to exclusively hang around popular dungeons and camps and help ppl. That's gotten harder lately with over half the server driving a fully raid teired enchanter style toon tho. So once a server hits a year old the game changes really drastically...

I would add a limited character age lifespan to my custom server. And items would be occasionally lost or destroyed by pvE events. Or have their own limited life span ranging from 3 months to a year. It would be very hard to walk around in full BiS velious gear or VP gear on my server. I'd probably instance raid content to counter balance that some tho.

[Ooloo]

UO still best pvp ever! Trying to get people to play on uosecondage cause it's a really really old server that just emulates vanilla uo during the second age era. There's a huge dormant playerbase that would likely return if the population went up. Used to be around 900 prime time now its down to like 30, but the upside is there is currently a lot of open land for housing. If you look around you can easily find space for a tower. Play on second age! (and also on p99 of course).

[Infectious]

Actually in WoW mobs are shared tag now. I believe they only grey out if the person tagging is in a full group, or if they're tagged by an opposite faction member.

But yep WoW actually probably is a better game for someone like me; quiet, not very social, doesn't have a guild or friends. It offers far more solo content/ability to solo. But at the moment I'm stuck here due to an incident with my old computer. P99 is about the only game this cheap laptop can really handle. Right now I'm just trying my best here. I do speak from the perspective of someone who typically is alone though, who always struggled to find groups for content, and whom running a dungeon in this game higher than crushbone or blackburrow is a hilarious fantasy. I'd still love to see a dragon here one day, or at least do a group quest to earn something that simply can't be bought in the EC tunnel.

I do agree though, it sucks that one needs to have to suck up to the right group of folks controlling the content to do it here, even if they are terrible people that you'd never want to hang out with.

Probably one of the most depressing posts in a while. Dude join a guild and find some friends leveling up.

[magnetaress]

Probably one of the most depressing posts in a while. Dude join a guild and find some friends leveling up.

yeah actually there is reason for a state sponsered shrink to be concerned about u take the above advice from infectious

doesn't mean they still aren't having a good time tho with the time they spend

[tadkins]

Probably one of the most depressing posts in a while. Dude join a guild and find some friends leveling up.

I've been trying. Been in a couple of guilds that didn't really care to do anything with me, and i've been flat out rejected from a couple others. Another seems to just be filled entirely with trolls. It's not easy to find a guild you can really jive with, and with P99 being the small server it is, my choices are very limited.

Also, being a wizard, no one's really scrambling over themselves to have me in their groups, and friendship seems to evaporate as soon as I drop them off at the spire. It's not easy on the social side.

yeah actually there is reason for a state sponsered shrink to be concerned about u


My appointment is tomorrow.

[unsunghero]

I've been trying. Been in a couple of guilds that didn't really care to do anything with me, and i've been flat out rejected from a couple others. Another seems to just be filled entirely with trolls. It's not easy to find a guild you can really jive with, and with P99 being the small server it is, my choices are very limited.

Also, being a wizard, no one's really scrambling over themselves to have me in their groups, and friendship seems to evaporate as soon as I drop them off at the spire. It's not easy on the social side.



My appointment is tomorrow.

I was able to be a part of a Nagy kill in Castle back in the day. It was very anti-climactic

They’re always raiding something and I usually can’t figure out how to get there or else I’d be tempted to go sometimes. Being a wizard might make that easier. I am really only a member for the occasional guild banter, which can be pretty funny at times

You could give them a try, unless that’s one you already did

[tadkins]

I was able to be a part of a Nagy kill in Castle back in the day. It was very anti-climactic

They’re always raiding something and I usually can’t figure out how to get there or else I’d be tempted to go sometimes. Being a wizard might make that easier. I am really only a member for the occasional guild banter, which can be pretty funny at times

You could give them a try, unless that’s one you already did

It is, I've actually had a few bad experiences with them when I tried it out. They're not really a guild I found a sense of comraderie with. On top of that as a DaPer, Castle members tend to be the worst tippers on average lols.

[Infectious]

I've been trying. Been in a couple of guilds that didn't really care to do anything with me, and i've been flat out rejected from a couple others. Another seems to just be filled entirely with trolls. It's not easy to find a guild you can really jive with, and with P99 being the small server it is, my choices are very limited.

Also, being a wizard, no one's really scrambling over themselves to have me in their groups, and friendship seems to evaporate as soon as I drop them off at the spire. It's not easy on the social side.



My appointment is tomorrow.

Damn. Well keep at it, once you find a guild and some friends to exp/roll alts with the game becomes alot more fun. Roll an alt and join a leveling guild. Use the wizard to gear him up a little.

[Kich867]

I've been trying. Been in a couple of guilds that didn't really care to do anything with me, and i've been flat out rejected from a couple others. Another seems to just be filled entirely with trolls. It's not easy to find a guild you can really jive with, and with P99 being the small server it is, my choices are very limited.

Also, being a wizard, no one's really scrambling over themselves to have me in their groups, and friendship seems to evaporate as soon as I drop them off at the spire. It's not easy on the social side.

I've read a bunch of your posts, and you seem like a pretty nice dude, but I really can't help but think that this is somewhat on you and a mismatch of expectations of what being in a guild is like?

I've seen you mention more than once something along the lines of "they didn't want to help me with anything" or "they didn't want to group with me" -- there feels like there's an expectation that as soon as you join, these strangers should be very open to helping you. But I think it's important to understand that they're still strangers, people have no idea who you are yet, and you don't know who they are yet.

When I join a guild, first and foremost my expectations are: nothing. I get nothing, because I have given nothing, I just joined. My first job is to cultivate relationships with people, to demonstrate I'm an asset, to demonstrate I'm pleasant to play with, that I'll be helpful, that my goals are the guild's goals and I'll contribute in whatever way I can to push the guild forward.

Because when you do that, and you foster a good reputation (and that takes time to build), you create a lot of good will around yourself that people will respond to. They remember that you were helpful, that you were the first person to raise your hand to help out, and they'll want to return that help, because that's how relationships work.

I've been playing MMO's for like, 17 years. I've been successful (leadership/officer roles) in almost every single one of those guilds by applying the same mentality and same formula to every single one.

You show up, you be polite to everyone, you demonstrate that you are always willing to help, you never (ever) complain unless its actually something serious (and you do it through the proper channels), always offer to do the things no one else wants to do, and eventually you cultivate a positive relationship with these people and they share that same kindness you showed them because you've proven consistently that you're worth it.

Can't join the raid? Stop what you're doing and offer to port anyone and everyone, pick up stragglers, ask if there's anything else you can do. Little things like that add up in how people view you. Again, it's sort of like finding a new job, you need to know how to actually advertise yourself and stand out amongst the crowd.

I can't emphasize enough how much being successful in a guild is you demonstrating to them you're worth it. It's not "sucking up to the right people" -- that already makes me think "wrong attitude", it's showing them that you care and that their investment in you will be worth it. It doesn't happen the moment you join a guild, YOU have to work for it and put the time in.

[tadkins]

@Kich867: That's a fair assessment. That is essentially what I do look for in a guild; a sense of comraderie and belonging. I've been playing MMOs for decades and I see it all the time, guild groups running around together tackling group content, and I just feel left out. I've always wanted to be one of those guys who can run over to a spot in WL where a group fight for The Velium Focus (https://wiki.project1999.com/The_Velium_Focus) is gonna take place, to be a part of a dragon fight group, to be a part of one of those guild groups taking over the Gurubashi Arena instead of being the solo guy having to fight against the odds, and so on. I see other people getting to do it and just wish I could be them.

Maybe I am expecting too much, but what are you supposed to do in a game that requires other people to help you, and no one wants to help you?

I've done my best in any guild I join to prove I'm a good person. I've helped folks with ports, corpse runs and the like. It's just tough because I never know when the right time is to start asking for help with stuff I need, and I always end up being wrong.

I don't know. The years of trying and getting rejected has just left me feeling depressed and lonely. It isn't entirely a game thing either, and the stuff you've mentioned regarding RL employment, well, there's a reason I actually do have that appointment tomorrow.

[Kich867]

Maybe I am expecting too much, but what are you supposed to do in a game that requires other people to help you, and no one wants to help you?

I would say that contrary to popular belief, a tremendous amount can be done on your own in this game (especially as a wizard and especially leveling, you really don't need to group your way to 60).

Showing your independence and that you aren't just there to leech from the guild is a really good first step.

People will eventually want to help you because they know and like you, not because you're in their guild. Being in their guild is just a vehicle to building relationships with them.

I've done my best in any guild I join to prove I'm a good person. I've helped folks with ports, corpse runs and the like. It's just tough because I never know when the right time is to start asking for help with stuff I need, and I always end up being wrong.

In my experience this is generally something that happens organically. People will reach out. I'm not sure all guilds do this but some guilds also have sort of a trial period--you really can't expect much at the beginning.

The important thing is to not get that riled up if people don't respond. Ask for help once in awhile--cool. But you can't expect people to drop what they're doing all the time, especially if "help" is something kind of big like the Brain Bite quest--that's not trivial, it's a pretty big time investment from potentially more than one person.

Ask to setup a group somewhere--no bites? No problem, keep quadding. Someone tries to start up a group? Raise your hand. If it falls through, no problem, keep quadding.

[tadkins]

I would say that contrary to popular belief, a tremendous amount can be done on your own in this game (especially as a wizard and especially leveling, you really don't need to group your way to 60).

Showing your independence and that you aren't just there to leech from the guild is a really good first step.

People will eventually want to help you because they know and like you, not because you're in their guild. Being in their guild is just a vehicle to building relationships with them.
It's true. Quadding and AoEing low level dungeons does get boring though, and sometimes I wish I could explore a place like The Hole.


The important thing is to not get that riled up if people don't respond. Ask for help once in awhile--cool. But you can't expect people to drop what they're doing all the time, especially if "help" is something kind of big like the Brain Bite quest--that's not trivial, it's a pretty big time investment from potentially more than one person.


Thank you for the advice. I am doing just that with my new character. Haven't stepped over any toes and haven't caused any drama. Only trying to cultivate tiny bits of good will here and there, and just trying to enjoy the game on my own. Maybe something cool will happen one of these days.

Honest question though, what *would* be the process I should go through if I do want something like Brain Bite or Phenocryst's Focus (https://wiki.project1999.com/Phenocryst%27s_Focus)?

[Kich867]

Honest question though, what *would* be the process I should go through if I do want something like Brain Bite or Phenocryst's Focus (https://wiki.project1999.com/Phenocryst%27s_Focus)?

Show up in KC/CoM, try to get in a group, don't necessarily rely on the guild. If you get a group, and it doesn't have an enchanter/necro, maybe ask in guild if someone can swing by just to charm it for you.

Or, honestly? Just don't do them. You absolutely do not need Concussion and that item isn't _that_ good compared to a Sorcerous Bowl / Book of Obulus type setup.

Concussion can get resisted and until you're 60 hitting for big numbers, you don't do the damage nor do you have the mana to genuinely need it. You can wait to start nuking until like 60% and you'll run out of mana before the thing is dead depending on what it is. And if its a 32k HP boss, it'll be dead LONG before you need to press Concussion.

And if you join the guild at level 55 or whatever, and you stick with them until you're 60, that's a real long time to meet people and coordinate doing that at some point down the road.

EDIT-- and if you want to do that crystal quest anyways, do absolutely everything in it that you can by yourself so that people would just need to show up to assist with whatever needs killing.

[tadkins]

Or, honestly? Just don't do them. You absolutely do not need Concussion and that item isn't _that_ good compared to a Sorcerous Bowl / Book of Obulus type setup.

Today I actually don't care about getting Concussion anymore, but at the time I didn't know about the situation. I did eventually hear that it takes like 8 casts or some such to negate just one Sunstrike spell. Not really that worth it.

Call me weird but I actually do want that Focus one day though. It looks cooler than a bowl and book imo, it actually *is* better than either one stat-wise, and that's precisely the thing I mean when I say "something that can't just be bought in EC", that feels out of reach.

Also call me weird but I'm really not a fan of the Book of Obulus model. How a person doesn't get hand cramps constantly holding the book like that, especially while running, casting and fighting at the same time, is beyond me. xD

Thank you for the advice though, I do genuinely appreciate it.

[PatChapp]

Hang out with people in your guild. Be chill, do stuff with them. When it's time,ask for help. May take a time or 2 but you'll get a group to help you with your goal.

Wizards are largely a solo class, but that doesn't mean you can't do guild stuff.

[Chortles Snortles]

tadkins if it makes you feel better - i ragequit my guild during Live after no one wanting to help me do the Phenocryst bit right after killing Woushi, no less while we were all still in the god damn zone

roll a Necro to be self sufficient AND/OR socialize when you feel like it - you'll be happier for it

[tadkins]

Hang out with people in your guild. Be chill, do stuff with them. When it's time,ask for help. May take a time or 2 but you'll get a group to help you with your goal.

Wizards are largely a solo class, but that doesn't mean you can't do guild stuff.

I know that Wizards mostly solo, but there are wizard things that require groups and I know there are wizards out there who've gotten them. See plenty of wizards out in the wild with their epics. Figured there was some kind of secret behind that. But yep I will do that, thank you.

tadkins if it makes you feel better - i ragequit my guild during Live after no one wanting to help me do the Phenocryst bit right after killing Woushi, no less while we were all still in the god damn zone

roll a Necro to be self sufficient AND/OR socialize when you feel like it - you'll be happier for it

Those are the guilds that seriously upset me, and the exact type I seem to find myself in regularly, lols. Hence the stress I feel regarding them. I'm sorry that happened to you, it's precisely the thing I fear with group content in this game.

Necros are cool, but I just don't identify with them much. I've played every class in this game for a time except for warrior, and Wizard is the one I always come back to. Just a fan of it playstyle-wise and thematics-wise. Being able to traverse the cosmos and all. The 2nd place class for me is Mage, but...their epic is too scary lmao. I could never play one here.

Just genuinely love wizards, and they'd be perfect if not for the social stigma.

[Chortles Snortles]

i too loved the idea of being a wizard, hence my live decision - only wish i had tried a Necro then because the class actually FEELS like what a powerful wizard should be

oh wow i can kill everything by myself
oh wow i can regenerate mana
oh wow i can heal people and stun and mez
oh wow i can mind control undead minions to do my bidding
oh wow i can escape death by harm shield or feign death

its insane dood

[tadkins]

i too loved the idea of being a wizard, hence my live decision - only wish i had tried a Necro then because the class actually FEELS like what a powerful wizard should be

oh wow i can kill everything by myself
oh wow i can regenerate mana
oh wow i can heal people and stun and mez
oh wow i can mind control undead minions to do my bidding
oh wow i can escape death by harm shield or feign death

its insane dood
You just have to swear fealty to an evil god, be forced to commit horrific unspeakable deeds, be surrounded by diseases and dead things all day, and accept being scorned by the rest of the world. Not to mention regularly feel your very skin peel off your bones.

I can see the appeal but sometimes I just want to have a drink in Kelethin in peace. :D

[Chortles Snortles]

fair enough, i was good back then too :p

[tadkins]

fair enough, i was good back then too :p

There are times when I feel super tempted to be evil. The evil guilds in the game tend to have the best theme music/aesthetics, and it's honestly nice not having to be super concerned about faction. I'm sitting here trying to justify why a Brell following gnome wizard would destroy things in the Plane of Growth, if I ever have to raid that place one day. Kind of a nasty dilemma the devs put on us as players.

Been a troll shaman, dark elf SK, human and iksar necro, and an evil human wizard, rogue and cleric on this server. It's definitely fun, no question. :D

[cd288]

Chortles what is going on here. You’re engaging in nice, normal conversation instead of posting memes. Have you suffered a glitch?

[Chortles Snortles]

no hearing this guys story about phenocryst reminded me of the same exact bullshit i went through lol

[guggle]

Pretty sure you can still claim 1 static spawn or grouped spawns that pull together even if it is an outdoor zone, per the PNP policy. So I think you would have been fine with 1 of the bank guards, but he would be within his rights to steal all of the others. Unless you make the argument for zone disruption.

Example: OOT ancient cyclops. Warrens King. I believe Hadden has even been specifically mentioned, where you don't even have to be present between kills, as long as you are there when he spawns.

[cd288]

If you leave the zone you lose the camp. You don't have to be sitting there the entire time if you're waiting on a spawn (for example, if you want to go vendor in the zone), but you can't log out or leave the zone and then come back and try and say it was yours.

[-TK-]

Chortles what is going on here. You’re engaging in nice, normal conversation instead of posting memes. Have you suffered a glitch?

No shit, right? I was waiting for the zinger, but then it never came ...

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/8Tjk3Km.png

[Ooloo]

Speaking about camp rules generally, what about indoor? Say somebody is soloing lower bear pits, but they aren't able to keep all 8 bears clear before the room starts respawning again because of mana constraints or whatever it might be; are they still considered holding that camp? Or is the fact they don't have the mana to keep it clear relevant? I personally wouldn't be a dick to somebody in that scenario, I'd just leave them be, just wondering what would happen if somebody came in and wanted to take mobs that I couldn't keep down reliably solo? Has happened once or twice and I never really disputed it.

[magnetaress]

Honestly if you cannot tag it and dps it. You should get zilch. And if you can't bring the friends needed dps it you should get zilch and if you can't memblur spam ftw u should get zilch. Gms should only spend their time going after hackers, botters, and scripters.

If you want guaranteed access to loot go play a game with instanced personal content. Otherwise get on comms and work it out with your fellow players. Don't relly on gm brutality. It's lame.

[Yardcore]

Honestly if you cannot tag it and dps it. You should get zilch. And if you can't bring the friends needed dps it you should get zilch and if you can't memblur spam ftw u should get zilch. Gms should only spend their time going after hackers, botters, and scripters.

If you want guaranteed access to loot go play a game with instanced personal content. Otherwise get on comms and work it out with your fellow players. Don't relly on gm brutality. It's lame.

Lmao 🤣

[tadkins]

Honestly if you cannot tag it and dps it. You should get zilch. And if you can't bring the friends needed dps it you should get zilch and if you can't memblur spam ftw u should get zilch. Gms should only spend their time going after hackers, botters, and scripters.

If you want guaranteed access to loot go play a game with instanced personal content. Otherwise get on comms and work it out with your fellow players. Don't relly on gm brutality. It's lame.

If people are being buttheads and breaking the rules, I'm going to report them. GMs have the power to handle it, I do not.

[acrostoa]

Honestly if you cannot tag it and dps it. You should get zilch. And if you can't bring the friends needed dps it you should get zilch and if you can't memblur spam ftw u should get zilch. Gms should only spend their time going after hackers, botters, and scripters.

If you want guaranteed access to loot go play a game with instanced personal content. Otherwise get on comms and work it out with your fellow players. Don't relly on gm brutality. It's lame.

May I ask why you hang out on P99 with its PNP? Surely there's a libertarian server out there more suited to your tastes, isn't there?

[Kich867]

May I ask why you hang out on P99 with its PNP? Surely there's a libertarian server out there more suited to your tastes, isn't there?

Reminder: most of the people on these forums do not play the game anymore, they just reminisce about an elf-sim they used to play where they used to reminisce about the real elf-sim they used to play before that.

[magnetaress]

If people are being buttheads and breaking the rules, I'm going to report them. GMs have the power to handle it, I do not.

The rules are abritrary tho that isn't rules about ppl harming u they took pixels they rightfuly should have and u can't take those pixels so ur going to go get them banned. it's not pixel harm it's a game. lol.

May I ask why you hang out on P99 with its PNP? Surely there's a libertarian server out there more suited to your tastes, isn't there?

There was butt ppl are really dumb and they always elect or get GMs.

99% of humanity is weaksauce who is incapable to of getting pixels without GM aid so this is what we got.

[Zill]

99% of humanity is weaksauce who is incapable to of getting pixels without GM aid so this is what we got.

Judy to clarify, when he says “99% of humanity is weaksauce” about getting EQ pixels, he means 99% of humanity isn’t comprised of sad neckbeards that have descended the social ladder so low the only success they could ever feel comes from scoring loot in an ancient free Elf simulator.

Just to clarify

[zelld52]

If people are being buttheads and breaking the rules, I'm going to report them. GMs have the power to handle it, I do not.

This is why Red is superior, imo. Camp dispute? PK them. Camp their corpse. Make them beg for a loot and scoot and log in shame.

[Chortles Snortles]

love how everyone is taking a former non factor red player seriously
(lol)

[Kich867]

This is why Red is superior, imo. Camp dispute? PK them. Camp their corpse. Make them beg for a loot and scoot and log in shame.

You can't really do this on red. There's still level ranges, you can't deal with a high level player who wants to grief you. And unless you've played there for ages, good luck ever actually dealing with anyone over anything. You're not killin anybody with your 0 MR, non-fungi, non-piles of clickies character.

[cd288]

This is why Red is superior, imo. Camp dispute? PK them. Camp their corpse. Make them beg for a loot and scoot and log in shame.

Think corpse camping is illegal on red no?

[magnetaress]

You can't really do this on red. There's still level ranges, you can't deal with a high level player who wants to grief you. And unless you've played there for ages, good luck ever actually dealing with anyone over anything. You're not killin anybody with your 0 MR, non-fungi, non-piles of clickies character.

what about u and several homies in walmart gear tho? co'mon the best posts where when this happened ! Also the frendShips ! 🌈✨🦄

love how everyone is taking a former non factor red player seriously
(lol)

:o

[Kich867]

Think corpse camping is illegal on red no?

I don't recall it being illegal, no. However, if you get killed and you come back in, you can declare you are looting and scooting. If you declare that, you must immediately loot your corpse and leave the zone. If you do anything besides looting your body and leaving, you're free game to kill again. You aren't supposed to be killed after claiming LNS, but it happens, people find a lot of excuses to do it anyways.

[magnetaress]

^

[acrostoa]

There was butt ppl are really dumb and they always elect or get GMs.

99% of humanity is weaksauce who is incapable to of getting pixels without GM aid so this is what we got.

Could you find some other like-minded libertarians who would agree to cooperate and coordinate with you and each other to put in the legwork to set up a server, maintain it constantly, and fund its costs so as to create a truly libertarian utopia absent of the constraints imposed by the 99% of the weaksauces that we could all play on so as to experience your vision?

Showing is more powerful than explaining.

[Ravager]

Could you find some other like-minded libertarians who would agree to cooperate and coordinate with you and each other to put in the legwork to set up a server, maintain it constantly, and fund its costs so as to create a truly libertarian utopia absent of the constraints imposed by the 99% of the weaksauces that we could all play on so as to experience your vision?

Showing is more powerful than explaining.

That server already exists, two forums down as a matter of fact. Nobody wants to play there though.

[acrostoa]

That server already exists, two forums down as a matter of fact. Nobody wants to play there though.

Shocking

[tadkins]

You can't really do this on red. There's still level ranges, you can't deal with a high level player who wants to grief you. And unless you've played there for ages, good luck ever actually dealing with anyone over anything. You're not killin anybody with your 0 MR, non-fungi, non-piles of clickies character.

Basically. Folks there have been playing for 10 years and have had the time to amass all the advantages. Also if I'm playing anything other than a wizard or shadowknight, I'm not really gonna have a chance. EQ class balance regarding PvP is horrible.

I also don't have the connections to call upon an army to come defend me. It's pointless to try on that server.

[Jibartik]

Makes no difference, in eq there is predators and prey

[goblinmob]

But, apparently, these 3 circumstances we've listed are perfectly acceptable.

What's next? A level 50+ clearing orc camps in EC to get belts and faction?

lol literally just had this happen! But I shouldn't add fuel to the fire and will say aside from getting bitched at for blasting ooc before sending a tell (dude wouldn't respond to /say) things evened out quick and dude made right. You're never gonna find a community with out assholes.
Someone can say the glass is half full and another can say it's half empty and there both right. As a whole this place is a damn good glass of wine

[Synthlol]

I only read the OP. Why does nobody on this server have any clue how the game works?

Open Outdoor Zones can be anything from Western Wastes, Karanas or West Commons. There are no staff recognized camps for this zone type outside of single spawn points. Examples of single spawn types might be Ocean of Tears Ancient Cyclops, Iceclad Ocean Stormfeather, or Qeynos Hills Hadden. Though, any single spawn point can be claimed, that is the only spawn you can hunt (if being contested). If you are to claim this point you must get aggro/First to Encounter (FTE) within a reasonable amount of time.

This rule doesn't apply to outdoor zones, it applies to open outdoor zones. That word is there for a reason. It matters. You are allowed to claim multiple spawns in Paineel because Paineel is not an open outdoor zone. It's flagged by the game as a dungeon. Test it yourself. Go to Paineel and try to cast Cancel Magic without line-of-sight. It doesn't work. Whether or not you can "see the sky" doesn't mean a single fucking thing.

This game has been out for decades and y'all still don't know how it works. It's fucking embarrassing. Figure it out.

[zelld52]

lol literally just had this happen! But I shouldn't add fuel to the fire and will say aside from getting bitched at for blasting ooc before sending a tell (dude wouldn't respond to /say) things evened out quick and dude made right. You're never gonna find a community with out assholes.
Someone can say the glass is half full and another can say it's half empty and there both right. As a whole this place is a damn good glass of wine

EC is probably the worst place to /ooc something. all the assholes come out

[tadkins]

So I've been visiting OoT the last few days or so and I see Selush still out there with the <Ancient Blood> guild tag. It's a pity because I thought AB were genuinely cool and chill lizards who don't tolerate bad behavior, but it seems I am wrong. I guess we know what they stand for as a guild.

[cd288]

I only read the OP. Why does nobody on this server have any clue how the game works?



This rule doesn't apply to outdoor zones, it applies to open outdoor zones. That word is there for a reason. It matters. You are allowed to claim multiple spawns in Paineel because Paineel is not an open outdoor zone. It's flagged by the game as a dungeon. Test it yourself. Go to Paineel and try to cast Cancel Magic without line-of-sight. It doesn't work. Whether or not you can "see the sky" doesn't mean a single fucking thing.

This game has been out for decades and y'all still don't know how it works. It's fucking embarrassing. Figure it out.

Correct. The only people who use the “it’s an outdoor zone” things in cities and dungeons are the people who want to use it to monopolize as many spawns as they possibly can. Anyone who does that tells you all you need to know

[PabloEdvardo]

I only read the OP. Why does nobody on this server have any clue how the game works?



This rule doesn't apply to outdoor zones, it applies to open outdoor zones. That word is there for a reason. It matters. You are allowed to claim multiple spawns in Paineel because Paineel is not an open outdoor zone. It's flagged by the game as a dungeon. Test it yourself. Go to Paineel and try to cast Cancel Magic without line-of-sight. It doesn't work. Whether or not you can "see the sky" doesn't mean a single fucking thing.

This game has been out for decades and y'all still don't know how it works. It's fucking embarrassing. Figure it out.

I'm still waiting to have an interaction with someone who actually understands those rules.

In fact, the last time someone started openly stealing mobs from my group in a dungeon, they cited "you know the rules" back to me as though what they were doing was fine, and then when I clarified to them how in a dungeon you can still camp multiple areas, but must concede one (of your choosing) when challenged, they called me a neckbeard.

So either I should know the "rules" (that they just made up) and give up, or if I actually know the _real_ rules then I'm a loser neckbeard.

It's pretty funny... the long story short is that people who don't give a fuck just don't give a fuck, and if you petition them, you're going to get handed a "lose/lose" solution by the GMs anyway, so you usually just suck it up and move on.

[cd288]

If you were trying to hold down multiple camps in a dungeon (to use a simplistic example, like if you were trying to hold Hands and LCY in Karnors) then yeah the other guy can go pull from one of those camps. If he's pulling from both then he's in violation.

[loramin]

Man, all this confusion over the rules: I wish the staff would sticky a forum post linking to https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules ...

[magnetaress]

Ffa red. Pvp. Rallos. Classic rules. Even non factors approve.

[tadkins]

Ffa red. Pvp. Rallos. Classic rules. Even non factors approve.

Not everyone wants to play in a cutthroat might-makes-right environment. There's always someone bigger and stronger out there just waiting to eat you. How does anyone find that fun?

[magnetaress]

Not everyone wants to play in a cutthroat might-makes-right environment. There's always someone bigger and stronger out there just waiting to eat you. How does anyone find that fun?

Mobs always out there too. Trying playing an iksar in Qeynos hills bound in the sewers!

I don't like PKs. I do like the human intelligence and metagame aspect tho... games within games. Unpredictability.

With a mob. It's almost certainly going to attack u... holly windstalker.

With a human It's random. Maybe they'll attack. Maybe friendly. Maybe help u gang up on holly. Why play mmos at all if you want to just fight mobs and nothing else.

[tadkins]

Mobs always out there too. Trying playing an iksar in Qeynos hills bound in the sewers!

I've done it. It's surprisingly fun. But it does help that I actually know those sewers pretty well. Feeling like an outcast in the world with my only friends being a secret underground plague cult, it's pretty cool.

With a human It's random. Maybe they'll attack. Maybe friendly. Maybe help u gang up on holly. Why play mmos at all if you want to just fight mobs and nothing else.

These days I'm always the guy who doesn't attack. What's the point in playing in PvP if you have no intention of attacking other players? I don't want to play in a world where other people can have their way with me at a whim.

That's not to say I'm not opposed to PvP though. I'm honestly surprised there aren't more folks just hanging out at the arenas playing around with each other like they did in live back in the day. I'm totally in favor of that sort of consented PvP.

I play MMOs because I like being in a world with other people.

[magnetaress]

I've done it. It's surprisingly fun. But it does help that I actually know those sewers pretty well. Feeling like an outcast in the world with my only friends being a secret underground plague cult, it's pretty cool.



These days I'm always the guy who doesn't attack. What's the point in playing in PvP if you have no intention of attacking other players? I don't want to play in a world where other people can have their way with me at a whim.

That's not to say I'm not opposed to PvP though. I'm honestly surprised there aren't more folks just hanging out at the arenas playing around with each other like they did in live back in the day. I'm totally in favor of that sort of consented PvP.

I play MMOs because I like being in a world with other people.

It's pixel disease. I don't know what exactly causes it. Seems most prevalent in millenials and poor ppl who've not really "lived".

I love the pvE and chill experience. Blue servers used to be much better. Can't stand it anymore. Can't stand the plebes who think they are good at wow instances either.

No idea what to do other than make a new game that can't be)

1) botted/scripted
2) is to random to be no lifed (you might spend a year getting a particular drop at a particular spawn ever)
3) requires skill + groups- soloing has its hard limits capped before max level on all classes and strategies r a requirement.

[tadkins]

I wish you the best of luck in your game development endeavors.

[zelld52]

After talking to Selush's guild master, Selush threatened me with more problems if I didn't delete my petition.

Despite all this, <Fires of Heaven> welcomed him in with open arms after he was gkicked from last guild.

LOL

[Ravager]

The real answer is there's better games than this. Get your nostalgic fix from the decaying skeletons, orcs and gnolls, then move on before you're posting in a twelve page thread arguing rules with a bunch of spazzes.

[Karanis]

Hmm, didn't see any Ancient Blood officers in here respond, but I logged in to remove Selush and it appears he's no longer in the guild, good riddance.

[tadkins]

Hmm, didn't see any Ancient Blood officers in here respond, but I logged in to remove Selush and it appears he's no longer in the guild, good riddance.

That's good. I'm glad to be wrong in my assumptions about your guild.

[PabloEdvardo]

If you were trying to hold down multiple camps in a dungeon (to use a simplistic example, like if you were trying to hold Hands and LCY in Karnors) then yeah the other guy can go pull from one of those camps. If he's pulling from both then he's in violation.

Not according to the posted rules, which is why those rules are basically a running joke because the rules are only rules if enforced, and if you petition you're typically going to get a lose/lose solution anyway.

(According to the rules, as posted) you absolutely can camp multiple things in a dungeon and if someone else shows up and starts taking mobs that you already were killing, unannounced, they are in violation, as they didn't communicate with you first and ask which camp you wanted.

e.g. given your example, if you were holding both Hands and LCY in Karnors, and someone wanted to pull from one of them, they need to ask you first which one you want. If you were sitting in LCY, they need to give you the opportunity to go "oh I'd rather have Hands" and move your group.

However, the "unofficial rule" tends to be you sit on the camp you actually want, pull whatever else you can that someone else isn't sitting on, and if someone else starts killing a camp you aren't sitting on but doesn't ask first if you wanted it, you suck it up and let them take it anyway (an "unwritten FFA rule").

I've talked to GMs first hand in this situation and they confirm the rules are correct that the other party should be asking first, but like I said, if you petition at best they will ensure you have a chance to pick the camp you wanted and at worst will make you both share, and that's if you can even get hold of a GM, so the "unofficial rule" tends to be how it's played.

[loramin]

Not according to the posted rules, which is why those rules are basically a running joke because the rules are only rules if enforced, and if you petition you're typically going to get a lose/lose solution anyway.

(According to the rules, as posted) you absolutely can camp multiple things in a dungeon and if someone else shows up and starts taking mobs that you already were killing, unannounced, they are in violation, as they didn't communicate with you first and ask which camp you wanted.

e.g. given your example, if you were holding both Hands and LCY in Karnors, and someone wanted to pull from one of them, they need to ask you first which one you want. If you were sitting in LCY, they need to give you the opportunity to go "oh I'd rather have Hands" and move your group.

However, the "unofficial rule" tends to be you sit on the camp you actually want, pull whatever else you can that someone else isn't sitting on, and if someone else starts killing a camp you aren't sitting on but doesn't ask first if you wanted it, you suck it up and let them take it anyway (an "unwritten FFA rule").

I think both those scenarios actually fit into the official rules.

Let's take the LCY/Hands scenario: the person holding both camps has to ... hold both camps. They only have a few seconds (the staff has never specified exactly how long) to grab the mob, and if they don't they lose the camp.

So, if they are holding both, but they're at LCY and Hands pops, anyone taking Hands is officially in the clear ... as long as they just wait a few seconds to see that no one is taking it on pop.

All the stuff about communicating and picking a camp is if you get there before the pop. If you see him clearing Hands, you can ask "hey are you camping Hands?", and if they say "yes, and LCY", then you can say "I'd like to camp Hands: do you want to keep it (and give me LCY), or do you want to keep LCY and give me hands?"

But again, the only "unofficial" part is the unknown time for waiting: if you take Hands after only one second, did you wait long enough to give the camper a chance to kill it first? That part is admittedly a bit murky :(

I've talked to GMs first hand in this situation and they confirm the rules are correct that the other party should be asking first, but like I said, if you petition at best they will ensure you have a chance to pick the camp you wanted and at worst will make you both share, and that's if you can even get hold of a GM, so the "unofficial rule" tends to be how it's played.

This has not been my experience at all. 99% of the time I resolve camp disputes just fine by explaining the rules and communicating with the other player, but in the 1% of the time where someone isn't following them, the staff has always responded to my petition (if they respond at all) by supporting me and helping me keep my camp.

[Chortles Snortles]

yeah guys i too usually resolve disputes by 5+ page forum dissertations in the UN discord and forum petitions and btw did you read the wiki?

(lol)

[zelld52]

yeah guys i too usually resolve disputes by 5+ page forum dissertations in the UN discord and forum petitions and btw did you read the wiki?

(lol)

Yeah, being reasonable and considerate is for losers. Real men LawyerQuest.

If you're not sitting on the spawn, I will kill the mob. Even if you are sitting on spawn, I will only concede if I think you can actually kill it. Think that's a problem? Read the wiki. I'm not doing anything wrong. It's an outdoor zone, you can only claim one spawn.

Dungeon? Have to be LoS. Have to clear the camp. If not, I will step in and take your spawns. Read the camp rules, bro.

Rare named camp? Is the PH dead? No - well now it's my camp. Read the rules, that's allowed bro.

Cmon I got answers for all this shit. I read the camp rules every night before bed. I have them tattooed on my arms, and also printed out and stapled to my wall, just for occasions like this.

Wanna come to some sort of player agreement? GTFO. You want me to ???ask you??? if I can have a spawn? Nah, man.

I don't play this game to make friends, I play this game to be successful. True meta of p99 is being a studious Lawyer to the fake rules made up by volunteer staff on a free emulated server of a 25 year old game.

[Toxigen]

I don't play this game to make friends, I play this game to be successful.

10/10

[Chortles Snortles]

based

[Toxigen]

macequest

[Gustoo]

I play this game to be successful.

Lol playing eq to be successful

[Ravager]

Imagined success is almost as good as the real thing!

[unsunghero]

I play video games for two reasons:

1. To get mad

2. To win

Anything less and you are a filthy casual

[acrostoa]

Selush is at it again. Dude literally trained the capt skele on a level 30 player and repeatedly took my camp. I'm so sorry this person's life sucks so much that he has to mistreat others. I petitioned and I believe the other players did so as well. I'll contact fire of heaven tomorrow during normal business hours but damn if I don't dislike folks like him

[zelld52]

Despite all this, <Fires of Heaven> welcomed him in with open arms after he was gkicked from last guild.

LOL

[Alyndrae]

Care to provide a video of the incident(s)? That's how most disputes are handled on Green and it would help us evaluate instead of getting into a rant on the boards. Did you not petition the first time? I'll speak with a GM and see if he was suspended or reprimanded for the incidents you claim. In the meantime, send me the video for our officers to review. That will be the fastest way to figure out what is what.

Thx.

Aly

[cd288]

Care to provide a video of the incident(s)? That's how most disputes are handled on Green and it would help us evaluate instead of getting into a rant on the boards. Did you not petition the first time? I'll speak with a GM and see if he was suspended or reprimanded for the incidents you claim. In the meantime, send me the video for our officers to review. That will be the fastest way to figure out what is what.

Thx.

Aly

Just fyi this guy is notorious on Green. His reputation alone should be enough for you guys not to accept him into the guild

[Alyndrae]

I don't work that way. Sorry. I don't pronounce someone guilty because you say so. I need proof of the claim, and a video, not edited, would be best. We have had situations where accusations were found baseless and hearsay is just what it is.

If you have evidence that he is going out of his way to train lowbies, please send it to me. I have never received a single complaint from an officer in any guild about this guy and usually I hear when our members have stepped over the line. If he has violated the PNP, I believe the GM's would have banned him.

Feel free to message me in game or on discord.

Seeya in game.

Aly

[Encroaching Death]

I don't work that way. Sorry. I don't pronounce someone guilty because you say so.

based

[magnetaress]

Lol playing eq to be successful

Glad I clicked the thread for a short follow up. One of the best things I have read in awhile. Thx for pointing it out :D

[magnetaress]

I don't work that way. Sorry. I don't pronounce someone guilty because you say so. I need proof of the claim, and a video, not edited, would be best. We have had situations where accusations were found baseless and hearsay is just what it is.

If you have evidence that he is going out of his way to train lowbies, please send it to me. I have never received a single complaint from an officer in any guild about this guy and usually I hear when our members have stepped over the line. If he has violated the PNP, I believe the GM's would have banned him.

Feel free to message me in game or on discord.

Seeya in game.

Aly

Also dude no one will take u seriously or respect u with that avatar and character name around here.

[Encroaching Death]

Lol playing eq to be successful

I play EQ for small, purpose-driven achievements.

Why fix the screen door handle on my back porch when it's much easier to hit level 45?

They both give me a dopamine hit.

[magnetaress]

I do games mostly for mindfulness and avoidance at this point.

It's not about the results really so much as keeping my brain trying to actively decision tree and scan. Cuz I have been so skinner boxxed reality is like a terminator heads up display. My teapot has a progress bar on it now.

[Alyndrae]

Also dude no one will take u seriously or respect u with that avatar and character name around here.

I'm shattered. Thanks for pointing that out. I must be near Grobb.

To the OP, read my response and if you have something concrete to send me, please forward it and it will be addressed.

Aly

[zelld52]

I'm shattered. Thanks for pointing that out. I must be near Grobb.

To the OP, read my response and if you have something concrete to send me, please forward it and it will be addressed.

Aly

lmao he sent screenshots of Selush threatening him to drop the petition or else. Ancient Blood kicked him for this incident after their officers talked to both parties.

[tadkins]

I don't work that way. Sorry. I don't pronounce someone guilty because you say so. I need proof of the claim, and a video, not edited, would be best. We have had situations where accusations were found baseless and hearsay is just what it is.

If you have evidence that he is going out of his way to train lowbies, please send it to me. I have never received a single complaint from an officer in any guild about this guy and usually I hear when our members have stepped over the line. If he has violated the PNP, I believe the GM's would have banned him.

Feel free to message me in game or on discord.

Seeya in game.

Aly

Not everyone's going to have recording software running in the background of their gaming times 24/7. I certainly don't.

You have a bad person in your guild. Should be enough proof in this thread. It's your choice if you want to keep him in your guild, but know that he stains the guild name of <Fires of Heaven> in the eyes of others.

[Encroaching Death]

I've seen enough, personally.

https://media.tenor.com/SCJRAgBurdcAAAAM/guilty-kim-kardashian.gif

[azxten]

FoH confirmed warm bodies zerg guild.. but are any P99 guilds outside this scope?

[Encroaching Death]

FoH confirmed warm bodies zerg guild.. but are any P99 guilds outside this scope?

Any guild that invites me is definitely in that scope

[acrostoa]

I have never received a single complaint from an officer in any guild about this guy and usually I hear when our members have stepped over the line.

Aly

Umm, one of your officers interviewed me and at least one other player in Paineel the last time Selush was pulling his maladaptive behavior so if you haven't heard about that then maybe foster a more communicative environment for your guild leadership. That officer asked what I thought about your guild taking Selush after the interview and I told that officer that so long as FoH police their own and keep Selsuh from harassing me and other players, I wouldn't have a problem with it because everyone has a bad day and I'd hate to condemn the guy. Well, now its a pattern of behavior and not the result of a bad day.

Insofar as my latest contact with him, Selush's behavior was more of the same. He approached me and said that the entire zone was his and because I didn't ask for a CC he had the right to come and take the library spawns. Those spawns were up when I got there and Selush was nowhere in sight.

During the recent unpleasant conversation I was having with Selush, a level 30 player messaged me asking if I was having problems with Selush. I told that player that I was and it involved harassment from a prior incident. That is when the level 30 player confided in me that he has multiple issues with Selush including three weeks prior and just avoided the zone during that time if Selush was in it (very similar to what I do). But he needed cash for spells so he took the risk and entered Paineel while Selush was present. He then told me that Selush was bullying him and even trained the Guard Capt skele on him resulting in his death. He shared that he petitioned Selush for that behavior at which point I shared that I had to petition Selush for his harassment of me to get it to stop. He said he was fed up and logged out.

Selush will have to be dealt with by the GMs because I doubt you'll do anything about it even though his behavior was known to FoH prior to his acceptance. Whether you personally knew anything about it or not, that is a reflection of your leadership or lack thereof. You can either be a leader or an administrator but I get the distinct feeling you've chosen the latter.

Have a day.

[cd288]

I don't work that way. Sorry. I don't pronounce someone guilty because you say so. I need proof of the claim, and a video, not edited, would be best. We have had situations where accusations were found baseless and hearsay is just what it is.

If you have evidence that he is going out of his way to train lowbies, please send it to me. I have never received a single complaint from an officer in any guild about this guy and usually I hear when our members have stepped over the line. If he has violated the PNP, I believe the GM's would have banned him.

Feel free to message me in game or on discord.

Seeya in game.

Aly

Hey do what you will. I play on blue mostly now anyways. Just letting you know that there are plenty of people on the server who have had bad experiences with the guy. He was also kicked from his last guild for his behavior (that’s documented and not speculation) so that alone should’ve given you pause like it did with the other guilds he applied to. But do you.

[Jazclown]

Hey do what you will. I play on blue mostly now anyways. Just letting you know that there are plenty of people on the server who have had bad experiences with the guy. He was also kicked from his last guild for his behavior (that’s documented and not speculation) so that alone should’ve given you pause like it did with the other guilds he applied to. But do you.

So, can you please post a quote from Karn or Shimus directly? You are a lying pc of shit. Just saying!

[cd288]

So, can you please post a quote from Karn or Shimus directly? You are a lying pc of shit. Just saying!

Oh interesting a burner account created to make a comment

[Encroaching Death]

I play on blue mostly now anyways..

Do you have a character named 'Qanonshaman'?