Any roll for loot guilds on Green?

[Algustus]

Hey folks. I've played off and on since Green was born and have 3 characters in the 50s. I have a busy life that limits my availability for raids, etc but I am able to play a lot, just mostly 1 to 2 hours at a time. When I arrange time to go on a raid with my guildies I want the same chance at loot as anyone else on the raid. I hate camping dungeons for 6 hours just to have the guild elites with thousands of points to spend grabbing all the loot they want and those of us that can't raid as often only get the stuff no one else wants. Are there any guilds on Green that use random loot for raids, etc?

[charmcitysking3]

I think <The Drift> rolls loot

[PatChapp]

There is a semi weekly west ToV armor farm that is random for loots,using a pick 3 system.
There is posts about it on this forum.
Dkp isn't all that bad, if you show up and help you'll get loot. Yea highly wanted stuff will goto people who have shown up and contributed more,but you can equip yourself fine as a casual.

[Ooloo]

Remember that people who play way more than you, and thus are able to contribute to their guild far more, will also be pretty peeved if some dude who almost never raids wins a roll on something they want. DKP is the standard for a good reason in this game.

Also remember that when somebody with a lot of DKP spends a huge amount on a highly sought after item, they now might have less DKP than you do, depending on the guild. Casuals can accrue hundreds of dkp also, it just takes longer.

[loramin]

I hate camping dungeons for 6 hours just to have the guild elites with thousands of points to spend grabbing all the loot they want and those of us that can't raid as often only get the stuff no one else wants.

First off, who raids for 6 hours? Not even PoG clear takes that long.

But let's assume you were being rhetorical. You really might want to consider that DKP is better for casual players.

With a roll system you go on raids and have no control over what loot you get. The only way to try and get an item you want is to do that raid more ... which is exactly what you can't do.

But if you just go to whatever raids you can go to, and save enough DKP up, you'll be guaranteed to get whatever item you want when it drops.

[Algustus]

I think <The Drift> rolls loot

Thank you!

[Bardp1999]

No is the simple answer

[Fammaden]

You're better off being in a real raid guild with DKP even with low raid attendance as a casual player, your one to two hours at a time is still fine. If anything you can get a lot more value out of that one or two hours in a hyper efficient hardcore guild than wasting half of it in a casual roll for loot crew that is likely to wipe more and spend more time waiting to be ready for things.

But no one ever wants to hear it, everyone thinks you can't succeed in the top guilds here with low playtimes, but they are wrong. If your playtimes were 1-2 hours per WEEK then sure, but you'd also likely get nothing in a casual raid guild that way either.

[cd288]

Remember that people who play way more than you, and thus are able to contribute to their guild far more, will also be pretty peeved if some dude who almost never raids wins a roll on something they want. DKP is the standard for a good reason in this game.

Also remember that when somebody with a lot of DKP spends a huge amount on a highly sought after item, they now might have less DKP than you do, depending on the guild. Casuals can accrue hundreds of dkp also, it just takes longer.

Anyone who is hugely against roll loot is way too addicted to this game and needs to step back

[loramin]

Anyone who is hugely against roll loot is way too addicted to this game and needs to step back

Or they understand how the game works, and that humans are naturally motivated to help themselves.

To reduce this to the simplest detail possible: some mobs only drop melee gear, some only drop caster. If you are a melee class in a /random loot guild, every raid you go on to a mob that only drops caster loot is time wasted, and vice versa for casters raiding melee mobs. Pretty soon such guilds can't do (say) Vindi: when they try no casters show up, because they have no reason to.

That's just one basic example, but obviously it's not just about melee vs. caster: whatever your class, the majority of mobs won't drop stuff you can use, but they will need a variety of classes to be beaten. Ultimately, the random system is only sustainable for small guilds. If your guild only does stuff like Plane of Sky (where there are drops for everyone) and doesn't do too many epics (so people don't get tired of "wasting" time helping others) then it can be a sustainable model for a guild ...

... but even then, as I pointed out before, it sucks for the casual player, because they can only get gear by going on the raids for "their items" and then winning the random roll. They can't increase their chances of getting said items by attending "worthless" raids, the way members of DKP guilds can.

At the end of the day EQ raiding is about a bunch of people cooperating to get each other loot. A system that encourages such cooperation is going to work better for most ... which is why DKP (or shudder loot councils) are so prevalent.

[Infectious]

Or they understand how the game works, and that humans are naturally motivated to help themselves.

To reduce this to the simplest detail possible: some mobs only drop melee gear, some only drop caster. If you are a melee class in a /random loot guild, every raid you go on to a mob that only drops caster loot is time wasted, and vice versa for casters raiding melee mobs. Pretty soon such guilds can't do (say) Vindi: when they try no casters show up, because they have no reason to.

That's just one basic example, but obviously it's not just about melee vs. caster: whatever your class, the majority of mobs won't drop stuff you can use, but they will need a variety of classes to be beaten. Ultimately, the system is only sustainable for small guilds. If your guild only does stuff like Plane of Sky (where there are drops for everyone) and doesn't do too many epics (so people don't get tired of "wasting" time helping others) then it can be a sustainable model for a guild ...

... but even then, as I pointed out before, it sucks for the casual player, because they can only get gear by going on the raids for "their items" and then winning the random roll. They can't increase their chances of getting said items by attending "worthless" raids, the way members of DKP guilds can.

At the end of the day EQ raiding is about a bunch of people cooperating to get each other loot. A system that encourages such cooperation is going to work better for most ... which is why DKP (or /shudder loot councils) are so prevalent.

Perfectly put. Please add this to wiki.

[cd288]

Or they understand how the game works, and that humans are naturally motivated to help themselves.

To reduce this to the simplest detail possible: some mobs only drop melee gear, some only drop caster. If you are a melee class in a /random loot guild, every raid you go on to a mob that only drops caster loot is time wasted, and vice versa for casters raiding melee mobs. Pretty soon such guilds can't do (say) Vindi: when they try no casters show up, because they have no reason to.

That's just one basic example, but obviously it's not just about melee vs. caster: whatever your class, the majority of mobs won't drop stuff you can use. Ultimately, the system is only sustainable for small guilds. If your guild only does stuff like Plane of Sky (where there are drops for everyone) and doesn't do too many epics (so people don't get tired of "wasting" time helping others) then it can be a sustainable model for a guild ...

... but even then, as I pointed out before, it sucks for the casual player, because they can only get gear by going on the raids for "their items" and then winning the random roll. They can't increase their chances of getting said items by attending "worthless" raids, the way members of DKP guilds can.

At the end of the day EQ raiding is about a bunch of people cooperating to get each other loot. A system that encourages such cooperation is going to work better for most ... which is why DKP (or /shudder loot councils) are so prevalent.

I mean your point would be valid if guilds that did roll loot had casters or melees not showing up for raids/encounters unless the drops helped them. But that doesn't happen. The roll loot guilds I have seen over the years all have regular participation from caster/melee in everything (plus, a lot of those guilds may allow rolling for alts too if you're able to get the alt there in time to loot...so that obviates the issue altogether).

[loramin]

(plus, a lot of those guilds may allow rolling for alts too if you're able to get the alt there in time to loot...so that obviates the issue altogether).

Again, the model works best and tends to be used most by the low-level guilds, which are exactly the ones least likely to have members with multiple raid-level alts. Think about the random guilds you've known: were the like Seal Team and Kingdom (where most members have multiple 60s), or were they like Castle ... or were they like Freya's Chariot? I don't know Freya's Chariot, but I'm willing to guess their average member doesn't even have two 60's.

But that doesn't happen. The roll loot guilds I have seen over the years all have regular participation from caster/melee in everything

Maybe for awhile, but the very fact that we could only come up with a single active random guild on the entire server shows the ultimate fate of most such guilds.

[cd288]

Again, the model works best and tends to be used most by the low-level guilds, which are exactly the ones least likely to have members with multiple raid-level alts. Think about the random guilds you've known: were the like Seal Team and Kingdom (where most members have multiple 60s), or were they like Castle ... or were they like Freya's Chariot? I don't know Freya's Chariot, but I'm willing to guess their average member doesn't even have two 60's.



Maybe for awhile, but the very fact that we could only come up with a single active random guild on the entire server shows the ultimate fate of most such guilds.

Every roll guild I've seen on P99 most members have multiple raid level chars and they are in the guild because they don't want to join the guild like Seal Team. Most of these guilds could tackle most content on P99 with the exception of a small subset of some of the highest tier stuff like AoW. The guilds aren't "low level" they're just less demanding of peoples' time.

There are multiple roll guilds on each server currently IIRC. Those guilds don't die out because they are roll loot lol. If they die out it's because they aren't filled with DKP obsessed neckbeards who are unhealthily addicted to raiding on an emulated server for a 23 year old game haha.

Roll loot is a totally fine approach. The only reason you'd be against it is because you have no hobbies outside of P99 raiding and so you whine if someone wins over you who doesn't dedicate all their free time to being a warm body on raids.

[loramin]

Every roll guild I've seen on P99 most members have multiple raid level chars and they are in the guild because they don't want to join the guild like Seal Team. Most of these guilds could tackle most content on P99 with the exception of a small subset of some of the highest tier stuff like AoW. The guilds aren't "low level" they're just less demanding of peoples' time.

There are multiple roll guilds on each server currently IIRC.

Who are these guilds you're referring to?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Roll guilds die out or their good members will leave when they get frustrated by the system. In roll guilds the most active players often lose the roll time and time again on an item they really want (and probably need more than a new/casual raider). It will go to some new guild member who got lucky. After this happens like 30 times, they are going to leave the guild lol. There is just no benefit to playing more, because RNG can literally prevent you from ever getting the item. When you lose your best/most active raiders, the guild is dead or heavily gimped.

With DKP there is typically an upper price ceiling on items, and you can figure out who is probably gunning for the same item with a similar DKP level as yourself. Unless you are trying to get the absolute best loot in the game like a Vulak Robe (in which case people do dump insane amounts of DKP), you can get the item you are looking for once you hit the DKP ceiling for that item, or bid a little higher than the ceiling to guarantee you win the bid.

I haven't seen a roll guild compete for any good raid content. They really only get a nibble when there are open server events or maybe quakes. They usually stick to low end raiding like PoSky, clearing Hate/Fear Trash, Fear Golems, HoT, Kael Arena, etc.

Most people prefer DKP because they get rewarded for their participation, where roll guilds do not reward participation. It's pretty simple. A lot of people see no point in showing up to a raid where they get nothing for the time spent. You always at least get DKP with a DKP guild, which can be spent later for an item you want. There are even methods outside of raiding that can net you DKP if you can't show up to raids as often, such as leveling alts, camping consumable items, etc.

Honestly I am not sure why people complain about the DKP system. Most items casual players would want do not go for an unobtainable amount of DKP. Just save up and buy. If you are super casual and want a Vulak Robe, you are just being greedy. It's no joke when I say there are maybe 5 Vulak Robes that drop per real life year. It's not fair for the players who dump a ton of time into this game to get shafted on an item like that simply due to RNG.

[Toxigen]

even if you think you want to be in a roll-for-loot guild, you dont

[sajbert]

Rolling doesn’t work when most bosses don’t drop loot you need.

Loot council is almost always a bad idea.

PlatinumDKP would be interesting but breeds RMT.

DKP is flawed in that the price of items varies wildly depending on uour luck and timing.

No reason to shun DKP really, not on p99 anyway. However, minimum raid attendance requirement IS bullshit and any other such crap to gatekeep casuals from getting loot.

[cd288]

even if you think you want to be in a roll-for-loot guild, you dont

You are literally in a roll for loot guild as we speak

[Jimjam]

The issue for roll to loot, from a casual perspective, is you will really appreciate even the mediocre drops as upgrades to your main but a hardcore with better items will roll against you for ‘fashion’, an alt or a ‘different stat set’ as there is no opportunity cost to rolling a dice.

[Videri]

Get you a guild wherein you are happy to see your guildmates get loot because you like and respect them.

[Algustus]

Thanks for the folks that helped me find the Drift. Random loot with some restricted rolls that feel really fair. I'm looking forward to end game content again. Not feeling any bad Ju Ju towards those who are point system advocates, just not interested in a system that will never give me a lot of options since I can't do end game content all that often. Like Potatus said, get happy.

[Fammaden]

You have MORE options in a more serious raid guild, but no one ever believes it when people try to explain it. Hope you enjoy the Drift, I'm sure its a fine crew.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You have MORE options in a more serious raid guild, but no one ever believes it when people try to explain it. Hope you enjoy the Drift, I'm sure its a fine crew.

Yup. Even if you don't attend a lot of raids, the reality is a lot of items don't cost a lot of DKP. If you are just a casual player going for something like a Child's Tear, you will have an easier time getting it in a big DKP guild, especially since they kill more targets (more opportunities to get DKP that fit into your schedule). I have seen that item go for like 1 DKP lol. It's practically free.

In a casual guild you will be getting less targets (less raids that fit into your schedule), and less chance of getting the item you want in any single raid due to the RNG of /random. The only benefit to being in a random guild is if there is a server event that removes competition, your guild somehow kills a higher end target, and you win an item that is worth a lot of DKP.

This doesn't really happen though, since the high DKP value items tend to drop off of mobs that smaller guilds can't handle anyway, so they won't be able to kill it during a server event.

Server events where multiple guilds team up to kill Vulak and /random the loot doesn't count, since that kind of event nullifies whatever reward system the guilds have.

[Dizzasster]

Freya's Chariot is dead soon.

[Fammaden]

To be fair, people often feel overwhelmed jumping straight from leveling a toon into a high end raid guild. People stepping up from leveling guild > casual raiding > competitive raiding are usually more comfortable at each step. But still, the idea that people with lower playtimes can't benefit from joining the hardcore guilds is absolutely the opposite of reality.

[Kich867]

To be fair, people often feel overwhelmed jumping straight from leveling a toon into a high end raid guild. People stepping up from leveling guild > casual raiding > competitive raiding are usually more comfortable at each step. But still, the idea that people with lower playtimes can't benefit from joining the hardcore guilds is absolutely the opposite of reality.

As someone with very minor raiding experience, only done a little TOV and that zone with the statue of rallos zek or whatever--totally agree.

One of the perks of joining a hardcore raiding guild is that a lot of those people are cranked in gear. I was able to pickup huge upgrades because I was there and there was simply no one else who wanted the item.

I came in with a "I don't want any items I just want to see a big ass dragon die" attitude and did whatever I was told to do, and I got to get a few neat items for it.

[Danth]

To be fair, people often feel overwhelmed jumping straight from leveling a toon into a high end raid guild. People stepping up from leveling guild > casual raiding > competitive raiding are usually more comfortable at each step. But still, the idea that people with lower playtimes can't benefit from joining the hardcore guilds is absolutely the opposite of reality.

If a player wants loot the worst thing he can do is join one of the lower or middle tier guilds that don't get all that much of it for the time they put in. Want loot, start at the highest-end guild you can get in to because guilds on P1999 aren't very exclusive like they were in the original game and mostly they take anyone who has a pulse.

There are reasons to hang out in the lower-tier guilds, but loot is not it. For example I refuse to join DKP guilds on general principle (I regard it as akin to gilded age company scrip) and I don't much care for raids, so I float around in lower-end guilds as they come and go. That's a good reason to do that. Loot, is not. At best you'll quit the low end guild and simply use it as a stepping-stone and you'll end up with a bunch of people mad at you for your trouble.

Danth

[Raj]

Anyone who is hugely against roll loot is way too addicted to this game and needs to step back

[Ravager]

Anyone who is hugely against roll loot is way too addicted to this game and needs to step back

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Anyone who is hugely against roll loot is way too addicted to this game and needs to step back.


This is such a silly quote. If you are a casual raider, you are relying on the people who put more time into the game to organize the raid and get your loot. If everybody took that advice, nobody would be raiding lol.

Telling people to stop playing the game is not the same as saying roll guilds are good. The reality is you depend on the highly invested raiders, and they need to get rewarded to continue operating in your guild.

This is why roll guilds never get big. The players who put in the time don't get compensated fairly due to RNG.

[Mystero]

I remember back on live being in a Family / Casual guild doing good targets ( HoT VP random dragons) with a need before greed. You link your slot item Guild officer vote on upgrades, but if you get one item don't expect the next caster only item to fall into your hands! Doubt any guilds like that anymore lol.

[jolanar]

DKP is the most fair system, however it does tend to shut out players who can only raid a few times a month. When you won't get any items for many months it definitely makes you feel like why bother at all.

Fact is P99 raiding is pretty much only for nerds with way too much time on their hands who can schedule their life around a video game. That's just something you have to accept if you want to play here.

[PlsNoBan]

Fact is P99 raiding is pretty much only for nerds with way too much time on their hands who can schedule their life around a video game. That's just something you have to accept if you want to play here.

Basically /thread. You can use "unemployed" or "children" interchangeably with "nerds" here

[-TK-]

DKP is the most fair system, however it does tend to shut out players who can only raid a few times a month. When you won't get any items for many months it definitely makes you feel like why bother at all.

Fact is P99 raiding is pretty much only for nerds with way too much time on their hands who can schedule their life around a video game. That's just something you have to accept if you want to play here.

This is Everquest ... most decent raid loot does literally take months to get even if you are in a top guild. You have to first get the mob, then it has to drop the loot you want, then you have to bid enough DKP or win your random against 60+ other people. That's a lot of conditions that have to be met especially on contested mobs that only spawn once or twice a week with a chance of spawning outside of your playtime. Any seasoned EQ player knows and accepts this but still finds ways to enjoy the game and raiding experience.

The second part of your statement is unequivocally false as many of us fairly casual raiders with work and family can attest. There are a handful of neckbeards left on this server that carry a lot of the weight when it comes to off-hours tracking, but there is tons of room in raiding for casual players in the current environment. If you define casual as 2 hours a week, then there really isn't much of a chance of any kind of loot from even regular named mobs so it's not worth discussing. I play mostly in the evenings a few times a week after my family goes to bed and while I work on language lessons or catch up on market news and I find plenty of places to earn DKP and get to kill quite a few dragons a month. Do I occassionally dedicate some weekend time to a quake? Absolutely, because I enjoy it and it's a great chance to rack up some quick DKP. I may not get to use that DKP on what I really want for a couple months, but it will still be there when I need it and I'm also helping friends and guildies get things they've probably been waiting months for as well.

Life is about time management and trade-offs with what you want to do vs. what you need to do, and for some people, EQ won't ever really fit your schedule (demanding job(s), demanding wife, bunch of kids, prefers to sleep), and that's not really different from almost any recreational activity. I somehow manage to kill dragons and earn DKP by doing things like camping idols, tracking for an hour or two, killing dragons, and helping with logistics for the guild all while never missing my kid's sports games or academic activities and going on dates with my wife and outdoor trips with the boys, but according to the naysayers around here none of this is possible. This is probably the most casual-friendly time period in P99's history with increased quakes, multiple draft weeks, no RA for top guilds, new member DKP bonuses, etc...so if you think you'll never see dragons or raid gear at this point, you're probably right because you have to put such little effort in at this point, that I'm going to say you're just making excuses and not even trying.

There is definitely a correlation between the time invested vs. reward here, but if you know you're a casual then why are you going into raiding thinking it won't take you longer to achieve your goals in the first place? If it took you a year+ to get to 60 on your first toon, how can you really expect a bunch of top loot in a couple of months? This has never been a game of quick rewards unless you play on a custom or instanced server. The more time you spend sitting on the sidelines complaining about the neckbeards, not earning DKP or getting to random on loot, the less likely it is to happen. With a DKP guild you can slowly accumulate your points when you CAN play and they'll still be there when you get a chance to spend them. Your other option is to sit in a random loot guild and hope against all odds that you can snipe that one piece of loot you want, when it does happen to drop, from the 30, 40, and 50+ other people hoping to snipe it, too.

[jolanar]

This is Everquest ... most decent raid loot does literally take months to get even if you are in a top guild. You have to first get the mob, then it has to drop the loot you want, then you have to bid enough DKP or win your random against 60+ other people. That's a lot of conditions that have to be met especially on contested mobs that only spawn once or twice a week with a chance of spawning outside of your playtime. Any seasoned EQ player knows and accepts this but still finds ways to enjoy the game and raiding experience.

The second part of your statement is unequivocally false as many of us fairly casual raiders with work and family can attest. There are a handful of neckbeards left on this server that carry a lot of the weight when it comes to off-hours tracking, but there is tons of room in raiding for casual players in the current environment. If you define casual as 2 hours a week, then there really isn't much of a chance of any kind of loot from even regular named mobs so it's not worth discussing. I play mostly in the evenings a few times a week after my family goes to bed and while I work on language lessons or catch up on market news and I find plenty of places to earn DKP and get to kill quite a few dragons a month. Do I occassionally dedicate some weekend time to a quake? Absolutely, because I enjoy it and it's a great chance to rack up some quick DKP. I may not get to use that DKP on what I really want for a couple months, but it will still be there when I need it and I'm also helping friends and guildies get things they've probably been waiting months for as well.

Life is about time management and trade-offs with what you want to do vs. what you need to do, and for some people, EQ won't ever really fit your schedule (demanding job(s), demanding wife, bunch of kids, prefers to sleep), and that's not really different from almost any recreational activity. I somehow manage to kill dragons and earn DKP by doing things like camping idols, tracking for an hour or two, killing dragons, and helping with logistics for the guild all while never missing my kid's sports games or academic activities and going on dates with my wife and outdoor trips with the boys, but according to the naysayers around here none of this is possible. This is probably the most casual-friendly time period in P99's history with increased quakes, multiple draft weeks, no RA for top guilds, new member DKP bonuses, etc...so if you think you'll never see dragons or raid gear at this point, you're probably right because you have to put such little effort in at this point, that I'm going to say you're just making excuses and not even trying.

There is definitely a correlation between the time invested vs. reward here, but if you know you're a casual then why are you going into raiding thinking it won't take you longer to achieve your goals in the first place? If it took you a year+ to get to 60 on your first toon, how can you really expect a bunch of top loot in a couple of months? This has never been a game of quick rewards unless you play on a custom or instanced server. The more time you spend sitting on the sidelines complaining about the neckbeards, not earning DKP or getting to random on loot, the less likely it is to happen. With a DKP guild you can slowly accumulate your points when you CAN play and they'll still be there when you get a chance to spend them. Your other option is to sit in a random loot guild and hope against all odds that you can snipe that one piece of loot you want, when it does happen to drop, from the 30, 40, and 50+ other people hoping to snipe it, too.

Copium.

[cd288]

Copium.

I don't think you know what that term means...

[jolanar]

I don't think you know what that term means...

IMO If you are scheduling your life around a video game you are no longer casual.

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[cd288]

IMO If you are scheduling your life around a video game you are no longer casual.

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This is a really strange thing to say.

So you're going to call someone a neckbeard if they don't have plans on like a Thursday night so they decide to be home by like 8 PM to do a raid?

[Tunabros]

You're better off being in a real raid guild with DKP even with low raid attendance as a casual player, your one to two hours at a time is still fine. If anything you can get a lot more value out of that one or two hours in a hyper efficient hardcore guild than wasting half of it in a casual roll for loot crew that is likely to wipe more and spend more time waiting to be ready for things.

But no one ever wants to hear it, everyone thinks you can't succeed in the top guilds here with low playtimes, but they are wrong. If your playtimes were 1-2 hours per WEEK then sure, but you'd also likely get nothing in a casual raid guild that way either.

+1 this

I barely play and I got dragon loot in Kingdom B) B)

[Toxigen]

IMO If you are scheduling your life around a video game you are no longer casual.

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The neckiest of the beards do schedule, however 75-90% of anyone who has earned any dkp ever simply logs on when they see a batphone message on their phones from discord and they have the time to log in, kill the mob, and log off.

Quakes are a little different because so much DKP can be earned in a short time.

[Danth]

If a video game guild has your contact info, or if you're dropping what you're doing to log in on-call, or if you're being paid (real or fake currency) for your time online, you are not casual. A casual could make some time for draft days once in awhile, probably, or budget some time for a weekly Plane of Air trip. P99 is some bizarro world where you're a filthy casual if you aren't putting in 60 hours a week online. Most of the actual casuals on P99 aren't hanging out on the forums, and few of them raid to any significant extent. Probably most the P99'ers in threads like these are someplace in the middle, moderate-hours gamers who don't get a fancy term.

Danth

[-TK-]

IMO If you are scheduling your life around a video game you are no longer casual.

Nah, you're just shortsighted and see things in black and white while ignoring the greys. Not that my post even says I schedule to play very often as I usually just play when it's convenient for me, but don't most people schedule their hobbies?

Sports fans schedule hours to watch games, hikers schedule days for hiking trips, people plan drinks with friends sometimes at a moment's notice (batphoned!), FPS players schedule times to FPS with their boys, basketweavers schedule time to basketweave, etc... At the end of the day EQ is a hobby for most players so giving people shit for scheduling time for their hobby is just strange and out of touch.

The truest neckbeards on blue are maybe a total of 20-25 people between the top two guilds that seem to have an unusually high amount of time to play, but hey, to each their own if that's your bag. I'm physically fit/active and have a great RL while still managing to kill some dragons and hang out with my internet friends a couple times a week. If that's copium then I'm coping hard! It's honestly never been better to be a casual player on P99. I've never once been pressured by my guild to play more than I do, and they are always happy when I show up to help out.

[-TK-]

Probably most the P99'ers in threads like these are someplace in the middle, moderate-hours gamers who don't get a fancy term.

Danth

Casual < enthusiast < neckbeard?

Everquest enthusiast has a nice ring to it.

[cd288]

Nah, you're just shortsighted and see things in black and white while ignoring the greys. Not that my post even says I schedule to play very often as I usually just play when it's convenient for me, but don't most people schedule their hobbies?

Sports fans schedule hours to watch games, hikers schedule days for hiking trips, people plan drinks with friends sometimes at a moment's notice (batphoned!), FPS players schedule times to FPS with their boys, basketweavers schedule time to basketweave, etc... At the end of the day EQ is a hobby for most players so giving people shit for scheduling time for their hobby is just strange and out of touch.

The truest neckbeards on blue are maybe a total of 20-25 people between the top two guilds that seem to have an unusually high amount of time to play, but hey, to each their own if that's your bag. I'm physically fit/active and have a great RL while still managing to kill some dragons and hang out with my internet friends a couple times a week. If that's copium then I'm coping hard! It's honestly never been better to be a casual player on P99. I've never once been pressured by my guild to play more than I do, and they are always happy when I show up to help out.

I agree with you generally, but if you're cancelling other plans on a weekend for example because things are in window then I would say you're not a casual. Sometimes choosing to not make plans on like a Friday night because your guild raids X zone each week that night does not make you a neckbeard like the other guy claims though.