Dont cross the streams!

[ya.dingus]

Listen, I've been a long time player on p1999. I've got a fungi, and an epic cleric on blue, and all that noise, so I've done my time when we still allowed Chardok Aoe grinding, and before that when account trading was a large commodity on the server.

Don't merge blue with green. It's got too many long term problems with gearing, and weird loot nonsense, and an economy that is so watered down, I could farm HQ bear skins for a few months and afford a fungi.

Green has a fresh economy, none of the bad history of blue, and as vastly smaller item economy making items feel worth while again.



People may be mad at the suggestion because they want to get "MUH PIXELS", but honestly, the pixels on green really are worth more because their rarity makes them feel more worth while again.

Also, I really dont want to force rename my character something because there's a billion characters on blue already that might conflict.

TLDR: Dump green into a Teal server, and keep blue and a raid server unto itself.

[Chortles Snortles]

MUHHHH PIXELS!!!!
(lol)

[cd288]

Lmao stfu OP

[ya.dingus]

Lmao stfu OP

did i hit a nerve or something?

[PlsNoBan]

MUHHHH PIXELS!!!!
(lol)

Is this guy seriously suggesting they make another entire server (and split the community into 1/3 instead of 1/2) so their pixel items can be worth more pixel currency?

Holy fuck the mental illness

[Arvan]

2 servers already splits the population too much. Three would be way worse. Nope.

[PatChapp]

Just reset all 3 boxes simultaneously. Who cares if blue players whine while they reroll to redo the exact same thing they've been doing for 20 years.
They'll shut up after a while

[PlsNoBan]

A better solution to blue's issues would be to just wipe blue. Erase a decade+ of ill gotten gains. The number of things that were abused for massive xp/loot/plat gains then later nerfed over blue's timeline is massive. Creating an additional server and further splitting the limited player community here is an asinine idea.

Wipe blue > Merge green into it > Green 2.0 > Merge again at end of timeline > Green 3.0

This was the original intent for the green "recycle" server and I believe it's the best way forward for this project. Probably kill off red and do something else with it too. Sub 50 player count avg server is pointless regardless of ruleset.

[ya.dingus]

My suggestion is to keep the community split. Blue players can still play on blue.

Right now a lot of the push back is from blue players hoping that they'll see a revitalization in their population again so they can remain top dog.

Green players moved to green so they could get away from the historic issues blue had, both mechanically, and economically wise.

Blue isn't the focal point of p1999 community anymore, and it probably won't be again.

[ya.dingus]

You can't just erase people's progress on blue. That would kill off half the server and undermine the concept of stability and security for a person's character on p1999.

Blue should be turned into a legacy server however, with the project's focus on Green cycles.

Green > Teal should be the main focus point.

Keep blue around for the legacy server that lets other people play their historical characters.

Blue's economy is so out of whack at this point, as PlsNoBan, pointed out, we shouldnt be mixing green items into that server.

[Zoolander]

Probably kill off red and do something else with it too. Sub 50 player count avg server is pointless regardless of ruleset.


https://i.postimg.cc/9XkkjYxd/epiced.jpg

[Bardp1999]

Merge the servers, let the richest greenling become a blue poor

[PlsNoBan]

You can't just erase people's progress on blue. That would kill off half the server and undermine the concept of stability and security for a person's character on p1999.

Blue should be turned into a legacy server however, with the project's focus on Green cycles.

Green > Teal should be the main focus point.

Keep blue around for the legacy server that lets other people play their historical characters.

Blue's economy is so out of whack at this point, as PlsNoBan, pointed out, we shouldnt be mixing green items into that server.

There just isn't a healthy enough population interested in this project to support a healthy playerbase for 4 servers. Some people argue blue/green alone already split the pop too much. Now you're talking about having Blue Green Teal and Red permanently? Cmon bro

[ya.dingus]

There just isn't a healthy enough population interested in this project to support a healthy playerbase for 4 servers. Some people argue blue/green alone already split the pop too much. Now you're talking about having Blue Green Teal and Red permanently? Cmon bro

Red doesn't count, hasn't for a while.

Punishing green characters because the smaller part of the population is too engrained and only wants to play on blue doesn't make sense. Blue is/was beta.

A large (majority) portion of players joined green because it's the closest thing to EQ live mechanics that existed. It's the reason the project was founded.

It's backwards to force the majority portion of the pop to conform to the minority because of "reasons".

[PlsNoBan]

Red doesn't count, hasn't for a while.

Punishing green characters because the smaller part of the population is too engrained and only wants to play on blue doesn't make sense. Blue is/was beta.

A large (majority) portion of players joined green because it's the closest thing to EQ live mechanics that existed. It's the reason the project was founded.

It's backwards to force the majority portion of the pop to conform to the minority because of "reasons".

https://i.imgur.com/Fa5OWta.png

Red (as much of a joke server as it is currently) still counts in the total p99 playerbase. Even if it's a small number. You really want to add another server to the mix? Cut blue/green pops in half (or more) and you're left with 4 servers with 500 or less pop count. That's good for nobody unless you want like 80% or more of the zones on each server to be completely empty all the time? Your posts scream "but muh pixels?!" without any thought to any of the other consequences of your suggested actions. Many people would argue blue/green already split the population too much. Splitting to 3 servers (excluding red) would be absolutely awful. Nobody wants to play on 300 pop count avg servers.

Sorry about ur pixels tho

[Allishia]

Or could just do what they said, merge green into blue and start a new green for people who like fresh starts /nod.

Keep that crappy buggy green UI though /nod

[cd288]

Red doesn't count, hasn't for a while.

Punishing green characters because the smaller part of the population is too engrained and only wants to play on blue doesn't make sense. Blue is/was beta.

A large (majority) portion of players joined green because it's the closest thing to EQ live mechanics that existed. It's the reason the project was founded.

It's backwards to force the majority portion of the pop to conform to the minority because of "reasons".

I mean, this is a dumb idea. You don't want it merged because you're too engrained in Green. And then when they start a new Green without merging the old Green will be dead and the pop will be split across three servers. If we had numbers we could do it but we simply don't have the population for it. When new Green starts merge old green and blue; it literally has almost zero detrimental impact to either of the servers (for example, prices on Green are already moving toward the Blue range and millions of plat has been farmed - a year from now when a merge could occur Green will be super mudflated so it won't matter).

No one joined Green because of very minor deviations in classic mechanics from Blue (e.g., no pet window). In fact, most people on Green would love to have whatever UI they want, have a pet window, have tab targeting, etc. They joined it because it was exciting to see everything launch fresh and have people running around with rusty weapons and tattered armor and start from nothing.

But yeah, some dude with one post in 2022 wants the servers to stay separate (probably because he has some high value items that he wants to price gouge on) so the devs should totally pay money out of their own pocket to keep an extra server open for you to play for free. Big brain stuff there buddy!

[eisley]

Not gonna happen. Think of how few people have Guises of the Deceiver or other rare/legacy items or simply lots of raid gear(ed alts) on Blue. That's the playerbase. Directly pissing them off and invalidating their time spent (as well as murkying of server history - p99 Blue was very much it's own thing just as eqlive 1999 was.) seem like an unwise decision.

Blue will always stay as blue always was, the test server. Green will become Greener and then Green and Greener will merge eventually, when it's time for Greenerer.

Much like Red, Green attracts novelty players. Blue has the majority of the players who've been around a bit. I realized the other day, I was 19 when I started p99. Not EQLive. Project 1999. I'm 32 now.

But, as we've already seen with Red and Green, novelty doesn't last.

Ultimately, it comes down to this -

Blue has lasted 13 years.

Green will last until there's a new Green or the novelty players realize the Devs aren't stupid enough to do something would undoubtedly be the most controversial decision in the games' history.

Think of Green as what it is and always has been meant to be - a TLPS. Nothing wrong with that. But if you think they're gonna transfer 1,000 Guises onto a flagship 13 y/o server with <50 active Guises, you may not have thought this through.

[xdrcfrx]

blue should just be the dumping ground for green characters if/when a new green starts. who cares if the blue economy if out of whack or if there would be new legacy items introduced or whatever else. none of it matters, it's all just pixels. the thing that matters the most if the preservation of people's toons, and the ability to continue to play them as desired. blue provides both of those things for current green toons.

+1 for merger.

[Allishia]

blue should just be the dumping ground for green characters if/when a new green starts. who cares if the blue economy if out of whack or if there would be new legacy items introduced or whatever else. none of it matters, it's all just pixels. the thing that matters the most if the preservation of people's toons, and the ability to continue to play them as desired. blue provides both of those things for current green toons.

+1 for merger.

/nod

[cd288]

blue should just be the dumping ground for green characters if/when a new green starts. who cares if the blue economy if out of whack or if there would be new legacy items introduced or whatever else. none of it matters, it's all just pixels. the thing that matters the most if the preservation of people's toons, and the ability to continue to play them as desired. blue provides both of those things for current green toons.

+1 for merger.

Yup. While making sure the staff don't have to spend extra of their own money for an additional PvE server that the current pop can't even support.

[cd288]

Not gonna happen. Think of how few people have Guises of the Deceiver or other rare/legacy items or simply lots of raid gear(ed alts) on Blue. That's the playerbase. Directly pissing them off and invalidating their time spent (as well as murkying of server history - p99 Blue was very much it's own thing just as eqlive 1999 was.) seem like an unwise decision.

Blue will always stay as blue always was, the test server. Green will become Greener and then Green and Greener will merge eventually, when it's time for Greenerer.

Much like Red, Green attracts novelty players. Blue has the majority of the players who've been around a bit. I realized the other day, I was 19 when I started p99. Not EQLive. Project 1999. I'm 32 now.

But, as we've already seen with Red and Green, novelty doesn't last.

Ultimately, it comes down to this -

Blue has lasted 13 years.

Green will last until there's a new Green or the novelty players realize the Devs aren't stupid enough to do something would undoubtedly be the most controversial decision in the games' history.

Think of Green as what it is and always has been meant to be - a TLPS. Nothing wrong with that. But if you think they're gonna transfer 1,000 Guises onto a flagship 13 y/o server with <50 active Guises, you may not have thought this through.

Oh hey it's the dude that supports his guild cheating.

The funny thing is that the vast majority of Blue players favor a merge. The server is mudflated (as Green will be when merge time comes) and the pop can't support two servers. Most people on Blue want the merge so that there is a healthy population again...they don't care about things like Guise of the Deceiver being less rare lmao; most of these people have multiple level 60s with the best BIS gear and millions of plat in the bank, they couldn't care less.

[PlsNoBan]

if you think they're gonna transfer 1,000 Guises onto a flagship 13 y/o server with <50 active Guises

You mean the exact plan they said they were going to do when they originally released the server? Green was always intended to merge into blue at end of timeline to make way for green2 without splitting ~1500 active P99 players into 3 servers. Rogean did hint that they were considering alternate options but the original plan always was to do exactly this.

Who gives a fuck about blue being inflated or reducing rarity of certain items? It's literally the dump server for the TLP/Seasonal/Recycle Green server. What's the point of having Blue/Green/Green2/Red? What happens at end of timeline for Green2? People are gonna ask for it to be its own server and make a new Green3 cause "muh pixels" yet again.

[cd288]

You mean the exact plan they said they were going to do when they originally released the server? Green was always intended to merge into blue at end of timeline to make way for green2 without splitting ~1500 active P99 players into 3 servers. Rogean did hint that they were considering alternate options but the original plan always was to do exactly this.

Who gives a fuck about blue being inflated or reducing rarity of certain items? It's literally the dump server for the TLP/Seasonal/Recycle Green server. What's the point of having Blue/Green/Green2/Red? What happens at end of timeline for Green2? People are gonna ask for it to be its own server and make a new Green3 cause "muh pixels" yet again.

Also while the guise is entertaining to have sometimes, it really is a meaningless item. As someone who has one, I'm not like "oh yeah look how cool I am with the guise" and other people aren't like "whoa that's awesome you have a guise!!!!"

Literally no one cares. It's cool to get if you have a chance but it's a meaningless novelty item that no one cares if you have or don't have. Citing that as a reason against a Blue/Green merge is a joke lol.

[ya.dingus]

Not gonna happen. Think of how few people have Guises of the Deceiver or other rare/legacy items or simply lots of raid gear(ed alts) on Blue. That's the playerbase. Directly pissing them off and invalidating their time spent (as well as murkying of server history - p99 Blue was very much it's own thing just as eqlive 1999 was.) seem like an unwise decision.

Blue will always stay as blue always was, the test server. Green will become Greener and then Green and Greener will merge eventually, when it's time for Greenerer.

Much like Red, Green attracts novelty players. Blue has the majority of the players who've been around a bit. I realized the other day, I was 19 when I started p99. Not EQLive. Project 1999. I'm 32 now.

But, as we've already seen with Red and Green, novelty doesn't last.

Ultimately, it comes down to this -

Blue has lasted 13 years.

Green will last until there's a new Green or the novelty players realize the Devs aren't stupid enough to do something would undoubtedly be the most controversial decision in the games' history.

Think of Green as what it is and always has been meant to be - a TLPS. Nothing wrong with that. But if you think they're gonna transfer 1,000 Guises onto a flagship 13 y/o server with <50 active Guises, you may not have thought this through.

Hits nail on the head.

I'll be very forward and tell you at least my perspective. I don't like playing on blue anymore. Between the economy, the history of the server, and the less than classic mechanics than green, it's just not a great server.

I get historically people have invested a lot into it, but as far as the project, the dedicated blue playerbase is at least a 3rd to half the playerbase of green.

Most people that play on geen want a fresh start, and dumping their characters into a server that isn't broken as all hell, from raid scene to economy, just because a smaller section of blue players are sweating that their legacy chars are about to be outdated by a new server is making the majority confirm to the minority. And that's nonsense.


I'm not accusing anyone, but a lot of the general opinions coming from people saying "marge green and blue" are tainted by the idea that their server is outdated and legacy, and rather accept that their glory days on a fundamentally broken environment on blue are over, they're attempting to force the entire community just to maintain their lead over anyone.

It's a bad move.

[Allishia]

I think you got it backwards....blue is here to stay..green is the server intended to keep resetting /nod

[Ripqozko]

https://i.imgur.com/Fa5OWta.png

Red (as much of a joke server as it is currently) still counts in the total p99 playerbase. Even if it's a small number. You really want to add another server to the mix? Cut blue/green pops in half (or more) and you're left with 4 servers with 500 or less pop count. That's good for nobody unless you want like 80% or more of the zones on each server to be completely empty all the time? Your posts scream "but muh pixels?!" without any thought to any of the other consequences of your suggested actions. Many people would argue blue/green already split the population too much. Splitting to 3 servers (excluding red) would be absolutely awful. Nobody wants to play on 300 pop count avg servers.

Sorry about ur pixels tho

Red is a joke, it doesnt count, no one cares. hope that helps.

[PlsNoBan]

Hits nail on the head.

I'll be very forward and tell you at least my perspective. I don't like playing on blue anymore. Between the economy, the history of the server, and the less than classic mechanics than green, it's just not a great server.

I get historically people have invested a lot into it, but as far as the project, the dedicated blue playerbase is at least a 3rd to half the playerbase of green.

Most people that play on geen want a fresh start, and dumping their characters into a server that isn't broken as all hell, from raid scene to economy, just because a smaller section of blue players are sweating that their legacy chars are about to be outdated by a new server is making the majority confirm to the minority. And that's nonsense.


I'm not accusing anyone, but a lot of the general opinions coming from people saying "marge green and blue" are tainted by the idea that their server is outdated and legacy, and rather accept that their glory days on a fundamentally broken environment on blue are over, they're attempting to force the entire community just to maintain their lead over anyone.

It's a bad move.

Every post reeks of "But what about my green pixels?!?!". You claim bias against blue players but you're equally/more biased in keeping your current green pixels/wealth more valuable and scared to death of getting merged into blue where your pixel wealth is devalued a little.

Take it from someone that doesn't actively play either server at the moment and therefore is unbiased as possible. P99 has had 1000-1500 peak players on a daily basis for the last 10+ years. It's not drastically going up or down anytime soon. Any additional server they make just takes numbers away from pre-existing ones. Green players taking a hit to their pixels via blue merge is SIGNIFICANTLY less damaging to the project overall than splitting a limited playerbase 3 (or 4 if u count red) ways. Having 2 servers with ~750 peak count is WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than 3 with ~500. I personally would prefer 1 server with 1000+ but that's just me.

[cd288]

Every post reeks of "But what about my green pixels?!?!". You claim bias against blue players but you're equally/more biased in keeping your current green pixels/wealth more valuable and scared to death of getting merged into blue where your pixel wealth is devalued a little.

Take it from someone that doesn't actively play either server at the moment and therefore is unbiased as possible. P99 has had 1000-1500 peak players on a daily basis for the last 10+ years. It's not drastically going up or down anytime soon. Any additional server they make just takes numbers away from pre-existing ones. Green players taking a hit to their pixels via blue merge is SIGNIFICANTLY less damaging to the project overall than splitting a limited playerbase 3 (or 4 if u count red) ways. Having 2 servers with ~750 peak count is WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than 3 with ~500. I personally would prefer 1 server with 1000+ but that's just me.

Yup. There's zero negative impact to merging the servers in a year from now. Green will be (and already is really) very mudflated by then. Merge em, start a new Green for everyone to have a fresh start on and the Blue/Green merged server has your other chars there for whenever you want to play them.

If we had like 5k people playing P99 I'd say we could have 3 PvE servers, but the pop just doesn't support it. Even now tons of zones on Green and Blue are ghost towns outside of the typical "EXP highway" dungeons/grouping zones. The population almost can't sustain two servers at all...we're already extremely below the population of classic servers on live. A third server would destroy both Green and Blue...there would be no one to group with, the economies would become extremely stale, etc.

[Ravager]

Red is a joke, it doesnt count, no one cares. hope that helps.

This is the first time you've ever been helpful.

[PatChapp]

I really don't care what they do with my toons on green when they recycle it. If they roll a fresh green(or red) I will play on that exclusively.
I may be in the minority in that view, but I don't think I'm alone in it.
I missed classic last round,didn't start up until just before velious opened. People don't put work into their characters, were all playing a game. If it feels like work,perhaps take a break.

[ya.dingus]

Yup. There's zero negative impact to merging the servers in a year from now. Green will be (and already is really) very mudflated by then. Merge em, start a new Green for everyone to have a fresh start on and the Blue/Green merged server has your other chars there for whenever you want to play them.

If we had like 5k people playing P99 I'd say we could have 3 PvE servers, but the pop just doesn't support it. Even now tons of zones on Green and Blue are ghost towns outside of the typical "EXP highway" dungeons/grouping zones. The population almost can't sustain two servers at all...we're already extremely below the population of classic servers on live. A third server would destroy both Green and Blue...there would be no one to group with, the economies would become extremely stale, etc.

I'll respond to each point directly, in the most poignant way possible to save everyone's time.

Green will be (and already is really) very mudflated by then.

This is simply not true. Multiple factors would need to occur beyond the passing of 12 more years, to reach the mudflation state that blue is in now.

Here are a few:

- Rampant RMT
- AOE Chardok groups and AOE limit being removed on green that existed on blue for 12 + years.
- Account Trading
- Mechanic Abuse that was never available on green that did exist or still exists on blue
- A Raid scene under multiple previous GMs that was not impartial

There's zero negative impact to merging the servers in a year from now.

Outside of the technical limitations of names colliding, or 8 character limits for people who used the same account their blue characters are on and now have a total amount of characters (Blue and Green combined) that can't be supported by the client once merged, the ecosystems/raid scenes/and atmosphere on green would be completely bashed by blue.


I also still see no good justification for explaining why the larger portion of the population who enjoy green and what if offers, should be subjected to rejoining blue's minority population.

Blue players are free to make a Green toon anytime without a detriment to their blue characters, economy, etc.

Whereas your solution, and forcing green to merge into blue, would effectively destroy the economy, the mechanics, and the environment that is offered by green, giving a one way only change that most green players will return to.

I hear you, the population is split, it's a problem. But your solution of maintaining status quo I humbly believe undermines a larger faction of players on p99.

Green is ending, and yet, more people still choose to play on Green rather than play on Blue. Why do you think that is?


Additionally - this isn't just about pixels, pixels are a byproduct of atmosphere, which I believe based on the clean history Green has, is superior to blue in basically everyway, from raid scene, to leveling scene/population spread, etc.


Merging Green into Blue is not the best idea in the room nor the best solution, and its many arguments are frankly lacking in justification.

[ya.dingus]

I really don't care what they do with my toons on green when they recycle it. If they roll a fresh green(or red) I will play on that exclusively.
I may be in the minority in that view, but I don't think I'm alone in it.
I missed classic last round,didn't start up until just before velious opened. People don't put work into their characters, were all playing a game. If it feels like work,perhaps take a break.

This is a bit of sophistry dont you think?

Work and play can be just as enjoyable as one another. What we're talking about is time, and to disregard time in one of the most heavily grindy mmos outside of the Asian grind fests that existed at the time, is not only an oversight, it's short sighted.

[Trexller]

OP is a dingus

nicest way i could possibly say it

[cd288]

I'll respond to each point directly, in the most poignant way possible to save everyone's time.



This is simply not true. Multiple factors would need to occur beyond the passing of 12 more years, to reach the mudflation state that blue is in now.

Here are a few:

- Rampant RMT
- AOE Chardok groups and AOE limit being removed on green that existed on blue for 12 + years.
- Account Trading
- Mechanic Abuse that was never available on green that did exist or still exists on blue
- A Raid scene under multiple previous GMs that was not impartial



Outside of the technical limitations of names colliding, or 8 character limits for people who used the same account their blue characters are on and now have a total amount of characters (Blue and Green combined) that can't be supported by the client once merged, the ecosystems/raid scenes/and atmosphere on green would be completely bashed by blue.


I also still see no good justification for explaining why the larger portion of the population who enjoy green and what if offers, should be subjected to rejoining blue's minority population.

Blue players are free to make a Green toon anytime without a detriment to their blue characters, economy, etc.

Whereas your solution, and forcing green to merge into blue, would effectively destroy the economy, the mechanics, and the environment that is offered by green, giving a one way only change that most green players will return to.

I hear you, the population is split, it's a problem. But your solution of maintaining status quo I humbly believe undermines a larger faction of players on p99.

Green is ending, and yet, more people still choose to play on Green rather than play on Blue. Why do you think that is?


Additionally - this isn't just about pixels, pixels are a byproduct of atmosphere, which I believe based on the clean history Green has, is superior to blue in basically everyway, from raid scene, to leveling scene/population spread, etc.


Merging Green into Blue is not the best idea in the room nor the best solution, and its many arguments are frankly lacking in justification.

That’s a lot of words to come to the conclusion of what you think or say doesn’t matter. They said they plan to merge it. They’re the people who will have to pay for a third pve server if they don’t merge; I don’t think they care at all what your opinion on the matter is lol

The fortunate thing for you is that merging really won’t be a negative thing at all.

[ya.dingus]

That’s a lot of words to come to the conclusion of what you think or say doesn’t matter. They said they plan to merge it. They’re the people who will have to pay for a third pve server if they don’t merge; I don’t think they care at all what your opinion on the matter is lol

The fortunate thing for you is that merging really won’t be a negative thing at all.

I read this as "Yeah you make good points that I have no counters for, but I'm going to rely on rumors to say my point matters despite how irrational it is."

Sure, fine. Like I said, it may be a solution, just a poor one. Wouldn't be the first, nor last time, such situations happened.

[bigfun]

i say they just delete blue, merge green into red. and start red 2.0. optimal solution for maximal RnF crying threads from grown men who need to log off and get a doctor to look at that sore on their ass. if i was a dev i would ban anyone who bitched this much about the VOLUNTEER work i was doing for FREE.

be happy you have anything to log into that isnt live trash. may the god bless the devs for all their years.

[Arvan]

If you care a lot about Guise of the deceiver or whatever crappy guk item you should probably go outside take a walk or something

[Tethler]

blue should just be the dumping ground for green characters if/when a new green starts. who cares if the blue economy if out of whack or if there would be new legacy items introduced or whatever else. none of it matters, it's all just pixels. the thing that matters the most if the preservation of people's toons, and the ability to continue to play them as desired. blue provides both of those things for current green toons.

+1 for merger.

This. ^

Green was never designed to be a permanent server. From the moment it was announced, it was intended to be a cycling TLP. A lot of people on green started green for the fresh experience. The vast majority are going to jump ship to green 2.0 when that starts. If green was maintained after launch of green 2.0, it would become a ghost town server like red. All your precious green pixels will mean less on a dead server than they would on blue.

[mycoolrausch]

OP I don't see how blue, where every 3rd person isn't a fake dark elf, and every 4th person isn't spamming a manastone, is the server you're fearing mudlfation from.

[Allishia]

OP I don't see how blue, where every 3rd person isn't a fake dark elf, and every 4th person isn't spamming a manastone, is the server you're fearing mudlfation from.

Lmao ya, one big turn off on green for me was everyone was dark elf lol..besides the stupid UI and buggy hotbars

Green definitely maxed out mana stone / beads farm...blue was never that crazy with list and things lol.

We were told blue was here to stay as it is and green will refresh every so many years..it was never meant to be permanent server like blue, /nod.

And far as name changes etc, you couldn't use name s that were already on blue, so only people who would run into name change issues would be those who named it the same as their blue toon. I have a dark elf war named allishya on green too, but tbh I don't care if they delete her or not since my blue account is full lol

[Kohedron]

sounds like poor OP is defending his precious pixels

nah too bad

[PlsNoBan]

sounds like poor OP is defending his precious pixels

nah too bad

The pixel sickness is strong in this one

[Naethyn]

I didn't mind green until they started freely deleting blue item screenshots and removing blue server first pics from the wiki. Now they can fuck off.

[Allishia]

I didn't mind green until they started freely deleting blue item screenshots and removing blue server first pics from the wiki. Now they can fuck off.

Lmao

[cd288]

I read this as "Yeah you make good points that I have no counters for, but I'm going to rely on rumors to say my point matters despite how irrational it is."

Sure, fine. Like I said, it may be a solution, just a poor one. Wouldn't be the first, nor last time, such situations happened.

Lmao dude the amount of plat in circulation on green combined with the pure amount of legacy items that were farmed makes it like one of the most non classic servers there has ever been. And you’re worried about the effects of merging because you’re concerned about mudflation? Lololololol

[Endorra]

One of the few reasons I still visit this forum is the vague hope of a nice wipe one day.

[Chortles Snortles]

lol g1

[ya.dingus]

Lmao dude the amount of plat in circulation on green combined with the pure amount of legacy items that were farmed makes it like one of the most non classic servers there has ever been. And you’re worried about the effects of merging because you’re concerned about mudflation? Lololololol

Cant get anymore painfully biased than this guy.

Bunch of blueberries in here projecting their insecurity about pixels and wanting their mains to have a chance at legacy items they no longer can get.

Man, I really hope they don't merge green into blue. It's a bad choice, and just as bad as the arguments on this thread.

Trying to say because you guys can't get a crack at legacy items, or that there are too many "classic items" on classic is about as dumb as the arguments get.

Fine, merge green into blue, but wipe blue then. If it's not about the pixels, I'm sure you wont mind if 13 years of filth on a beta server is wiped away, right?

[PlsNoBan]

Cant get anymore painfully biased than this guy.

Bunch of blueberries in here projecting their insecurity about pixels and wanting their mains to have a chance at legacy items they no longer can get.

Man, I really hope they don't merge green into blue. It's a bad choice, and just as bad as the arguments on this thread.

Trying to say because you guys can't get a crack at legacy items, or that there are too many "classic items" on classic is about as dumb as the arguments get.

Fine, merge green into blue, but wipe blue then. If it's not about the pixels, I'm sure you wont mind if 13 years of filth on a beta server is wiped away, right?

Nothing would make me happier than a wipe. I've said this multiple times. My personal ideal scenario:

Wipe blue > Merge green into freshly wiped blue > Start Green2 fresh and let anyone use whatever UI they want and bring back pet window > Once Green2 reaches end of timeline merge into blue again > Start Green3

Rinse repeat this following the original EQ timeline. People then have 2 servers to choose from. Both should have respectable populations. One is always gonna be relatively fresh and won't be decades deep in mudflation. Other is great if you're the kind of person that just wants to super casually play and not worry about "keeping up" or whatever. If this project still exists in another 6+ years then it may be time to talk about another blue wipe. It was a nice attempt at strawman argument you made but unfortunately I'm not (at all) concerned with my green pixels or my blue pixels and thus only really care about what's the best move for the project going forward and not my own pixel lust.

[cd288]

Cant get anymore painfully biased than this guy.

Bunch of blueberries in here projecting their insecurity about pixels and wanting their mains to have a chance at legacy items they no longer can get.

Man, I really hope they don't merge green into blue. It's a bad choice, and just as bad as the arguments on this thread.

Trying to say because you guys can't get a crack at legacy items, or that there are too many "classic items" on classic is about as dumb as the arguments get.

Fine, merge green into blue, but wipe blue then. If it's not about the pixels, I'm sure you wont mind if 13 years of filth on a beta server is wiped away, right?

I mean kind of incorrect since I still primarily play on Green (although I have shifted back to some of my Blue chars a bit more recently since the experience on both servers is basically the same at this point).

[cd288]

Cant get anymore painfully biased than this guy.

Bunch of blueberries in here projecting their insecurity about pixels and wanting their mains to have a chance at legacy items they no longer can get.

Man, I really hope they don't merge green into blue. It's a bad choice, and just as bad as the arguments on this thread.

Trying to say because you guys can't get a crack at legacy items, or that there are too many "classic items" on classic is about as dumb as the arguments get.

Fine, merge green into blue, but wipe blue then. If it's not about the pixels, I'm sure you wont mind if 13 years of filth on a beta server is wiped away, right?

Also, what legacy items do you think I don’t already have? The only legacy item I don’t have is a manastone because I view it more as a novelty than a super useful item (unusable outside old world and not a great item if you can’t heal yourself). Could’ve used it on a Druid back in the day but that was early days where I didn’t have the plat…no need for the stone now.

[Ripqozko]

Also, what legacy items do you think I don’t already have? The only legacy item I don’t have is a manastone because I view it more as a novelty than a super useful item (unusable outside old world and not a great item if you can’t heal yourself). Could’ve used it on a Druid back in the day but that was early days where I didn’t have the plat…no need for the stone now.

Wizard with epic + manastone can port and refill mana anytime

[Chortles Snortles]

OH NO MUHHH 20 yRS of DUPED LEGAcy iTumS Are gOnNa loSe vAlUe
(lol)

[Bardp1999]

https://i.imgur.com/6kGYNve.jpg

[starkind]

205 babe.

i was 146

gonna get back there

than i will take a pic of all my stretched skin 4 u

pesonally i blame aids and homosexuals

[Chortles Snortles]

fat

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/BSdfhLJ.png

[Bardp1999]

https://i.imgur.com/RyT2Clp.gif

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/CHOz4jw.jpg

[cd288]

Wizard with epic + manastone can port and refill mana anytime

Lol no shit, but that's exactly my point. There are limited classes where the manastone is really that useful (basically Druid, and in some instances Wizard - unless you're a Shaman or Cleric who doesn't mind an extremely long slog to 60 in the old world). Point being that I don't feel the need to acquire a manastone at this point in time on either server and therefore the reason I think a merge would be beneficial isn't because I want to buy a manastone for a Blue char (and btw, it's not like they are impossible to find on Blue; this other dude seems to thing that tradeable legacy items are like super difficult to purchase on Blue, they aren't lol).

[PatChapp]

Lol no shit, but that's exactly my point. There are limited classes where the manastone is really that useful (basically Druid, and in some instances Wizard - unless you're a Shaman or Cleric who doesn't mind an extremely long slog to 60 in the old world). Point being that I don't feel the need to acquire a manastone at this point in time on either server and therefore the reason I think a merge would be beneficial isn't because I want to buy a manastone for a Blue char (and btw, it's not like they are impossible to find on Blue; this other dude seems to thing that tradeable legacy items are like super difficult to purchase on Blue, they aren't lol).

When the hole wasn't an empty zone, cleric+ manastone could level 50-60 without leaving. Otherwise yeah,limited use for sure