Two noobies unable to play together :(

[JamesSergio]

Hi Guys,

Not really sure if this is the correct thing to do or if I need to be messaging someone in game.

Me and my brother live together and we used to play loads of EQ in our younger days :cool:

We are looking to give P99 Green a good blast but when we try to log in when the other is online we are unable to do so we get a message about IP, I think, pretty sure to stop boxing I'm guessing.

Is there a way we can make it so we can play together without one moving out, we are considering it as we are desperate to play ;):D but I think there might be another way! :D

Look forward to any help we can get!

Tixie - level 2 wood elf Druid. Watch out, here I come!

[Graahle]

https://wiki.project1999.com/IP_Exemption

[Aeaolena]

Yep! You can Petition for an IP exception and will be able to play together. They do them in batches so may need to wait a little while for it to go through.

Word of advice - Just follow a "butts in seats" type mentality, be careful with it and you'll be fine. P1999 is extremely strict about two-boxing.

It will be tempting to log in each other's characters for "just a second" to cast a buff, or lean over and hit a heal macro while one of you is pooping - but just don't. Butts in seats. Else that will be the exact moment a GM pulls you in for box-testing.. and all your time/gear from 2 years of playing will be flushed down the drain.

Poor guy I know logged in his wife's high level shaman to quickly buff his alt, and got both their accounts insta-banned after he failed a surprise box-test. It's pretty painful and not worth it. So make sure your brother understands so he doesn't screw ya over a year from now~

[Dural_Levant]

Yep! You can Petition for an IP exception and will be able to play together. They do them in batches so may need to wait a little while for it to go through.

Word of advice - Just follow a "butts in seats" type mentality, be careful with it and you'll be fine. P1999 is extremely strict about two-boxing.

It will be tempting to log in each other's characters for "just a second" to cast a buff, or lean over and hit a heal macro while one of you is pooping - but just don't. Butts in seats. Else that will be the exact moment a GM pulls you in for box-testing.. and all your time/gear from 2 years of playing will be flushed down the drain.

Poor guy I know logged in his wife's high level shaman to quickly buff his alt, and got both their accounts insta-banned after he failed a surprise box-test. It's pretty painful and not worth it. So make sure your brother understands so he doesn't screw ya over a year from now~

This is good advice.

It took like a week for my IP Exemption to go through, but I have heard of people waiting for like up to three weeks. Just carefully follow instructions when formatting your post.

[cd288]

Yep! You can Petition for an IP exception and will be able to play together. They do them in batches so may need to wait a little while for it to go through.

Word of advice - Just follow a "butts in seats" type mentality, be careful with it and you'll be fine. P1999 is extremely strict about two-boxing.

It will be tempting to log in each other's characters for "just a second" to cast a buff, or lean over and hit a heal macro while one of you is pooping - but just don't. Butts in seats. Else that will be the exact moment a GM pulls you in for box-testing.. and all your time/gear from 2 years of playing will be flushed down the drain.

Poor guy I know logged in his wife's high level shaman to quickly buff his alt, and got both their accounts insta-banned after he failed a surprise box-test. It's pretty painful and not worth it. So make sure your brother understands so he doesn't screw ya over a year from now~

I mean the guy in the example in the last paragraph must have been doing this a bunch. The GMs aren’t just following around every player the second they log in so it’s not like he did this just one time by mistake and got caught. He would’ve had to have been doing this multiple times and either got noticed by a GM or a player thought it looked suspicious and petitioned. Just saying like when someone gets caught boxing it’s not because they were like an innocent player who happened to make a one time mistake, they were boxing consistently.

[Triode]

FYI - in the meanwhile, you can always tether one machine off a cell phone, which will have a diff IP, so you can play together until the IP exception request gets processed. Just make sure you are both at your respective keyboards though! As indicated by others, tethering does not create any sort of exception to the strict one account logged in per player rules. Welcome back to eq - the nostalgia is a wonderful thing, and this game continues to feel majestic (to me at least) in a way that nothing else quite equals.

[Swish]

Hi Guys,

Not really sure if this is the correct thing to do or if I need to be messaging someone in game.

Me and my brother live together and we used to play loads of EQ in our younger days :cool:

We are looking to give P99 Green a good blast but when we try to log in when the other is online we are unable to do so we get a message about IP, I think, pretty sure to stop boxing I'm guessing.

Is there a way we can make it so we can play together without one moving out, we are considering it as we are desperate to play ;):D but I think there might be another way! :D

Look forward to any help we can get!

Tixie - level 2 wood elf Druid. Watch out, here we come!

[PlsNoBan]

Poor guy I know logged in his wife's high level shaman to quickly buff his alt, and got both their accounts insta-banned after he failed a surprise box-test. It's pretty painful and not worth it. So make sure your brother understands so he doesn't screw ya over a year from now~


Kinda shitty the lengths they'll go to just to stop supposed boxing. If someone isn't actively boxing 2 chars monopolizing camps and stuff who cares lol. I've had situations where a friend has a high lvl druid and he wanted to leave his druid logged in on his work laptop in the background while hes at work and set up audio triggers so I could just request re-buffs from him while I lvl an alt but we decided it wasn't worth the risk in case we got nailed for "boxing" even though we weren't. Being at work he couldn't respond to a random box test at any moment. Kinda annoying tbh. You run the risk of being banned for boxing just for playing semi afk while someone else on same IP is playing. I lost an account I had an insane amount of time invested in and all the valuable items/clickies u could imagine all for a dumb thing I didn't even do. Unrelated to boxing but the same concerns apply. You could lose months/years of investment for something so f'ing stupid at any time.

[loramin]

Kinda shitty the lengths they'll go to just to stop supposed boxing. If someone isn't actively boxing 2 chars monopolizing camps and stuff who cares lol. I've had situations where a friend has a high lvl druid and he wanted to leave his druid logged in on his work laptop in the background while hes at work and set up audio triggers so I could just request re-buffs from him while I lvl an alt but we decided it wasn't worth the risk in case we got nailed for "boxing" even though we weren't. Being at work he couldn't respond to a random box test at any moment. Kinda annoying tbh. You run the risk of being banned for boxing just for playing semi afk while someone else on same IP is playing. I lost an account I had an insane amount of time invested in and all the valuable items/clickies u could imagine all for a dumb thing I didn't even do.

Kinda shitty that you and your "friend" want to cheat a 20+ year old game because you can't do what literally thousands of other players can: play it by the rules, as intended.

Unrelated to boxing but the same concerns apply. You could lose months/years of investment for something so f'ing stupid at any time.

Bullshit. The only way to lose your character is to break the rules (which are very clearly posted), as you did.

Hell, I've (god I'm embarrassed to say this) mistakenly accused the founders of this server of violating intellectual property law! ... and I'm still playing, with no characters lost. (Thank you again for your forgiveness, benevolent overlords Rogean and Nilbog.)

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/ImhywIS.png

[Graahle]

Kinda shitty that you and your "friend" want to cheat a 20+ year old game because you can't do what literally thousands of other players can: play it by the rules, as intended.



Bullshit. The only way to lose your character is to break the rules (which are very clearly posted), as you did.

Hell, I've (god I'm embarrassed to say this) mistakenly accused the founders of this server of violating intellectual property law! ... and I'm still playing, with no characters lost. (Thank you again for your forgiveness, benevolent overlords Rogean and Nilbog.)

God you sound old

[PlsNoBan]

Bullshit. The only way to lose your character is to break the rules (which are very clearly posted), as you did.

False. I clearly outlined a scenario in which you could be banned in which you did nothing against any rules. A friend afk/semi afk with audio triggers that alt tabs back to buff me when requested isn't boxing nor is it breaking any rules I'm aware of. It could certainly easily be interpreted as boxing though and if you aren't prepared to pass a boxing test at a moments notice you could be falsely labeled/banned very easily.

I personally lost my main account due to having a (inactive) 3rd party program running in the background that I forgot to close before launching P99 for 5 minutes when I was playing another server that allows said program. Did I break the rules? Technically yes. However, it was never actually used or even configured to work on P99 but their judge/jury/executioner DLL picked it up and I was labeled a cheater regardless and it sort of felt like attempts at appeal weren't taken seriously or even really considered. The point at which I supposedly "cheated" I was logged in to the game for less than 20 minutes and hadn't been logged in for months prior. I literally logged in to give a friend something and talk to a couple people for a minute then logged off. I never even left EC tunnel from memory. But apparently that constitutes being an unforgivable hackerman and staff feel it justified to torch my thousands of hours of investment over it. As you can tell I'm a bit salty about it still.

Inb4 trolls tell me I deserved it

[loramin]

False. I clearly outlined a scenario in which you could be banned in which you did nothing against any rules. A friend afk/semi afk with audio triggers that alt tabs back to buff me when requested isn't boxing nor is it breaking any rules I'm aware of.

It is boxing (you're playing two accounts at once: your's and your "friend's"), plus you're breaking the rules on automation:

3. You may not kill NPC's while you are not at your PC.

It is against the rules to "afk camp" any NPC or groups of NPC's by placing a pet nearby and letting it kill while you are away from your computer. Any other form of "afk camping", such as faction killing, is also against the rules, and you may be subject to disciplinary action.

In addition to this rule, and further explained in section 5, you may not Forage items using any automated program (hardware or software).

and:

5. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

This includes programmable keyboards or other devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule. In addition, any program that strictly reads log files is acceptable.

- https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349

Every other player of this game (again, literally thousands of people) play the game with one account; they don't play multiple accounts, automated or otherwise. If they want buffs from another class, they ask a human playing that class.

You're the only one who felt the need to cheat and setup AFK buffing for yourself using multiple accounts.

God you sound old

Yes, I'm a very old 40-year old. Get off my damn lawn!

[PlsNoBan]

It is boxing (you're playing two accounts at once: your's and your "friend's"), plus you're breaking the rules on automation

I'm not sure if you're trolling me or just don't understand what I was saying. In this situation I had an actual real life human being friend of mine that was at work and couldn't actively play but would have happily sat around semi afk and buffed me occasionally. This LOOKS like boxing to an outsiders perspective. It's not actually boxing. I'm not playing my "friends" account. He's playing his own account just not fully at the keyboard. No automation is taking place. He isn't "afk camping" anything. A program like GINA would be used (expressly permitted by Rogean himself) to alert him when I sent a tell for buffs. Which he would then manually buff me. No automation is happening and no boxing is happening. No rules are being broken. We chose not to do it because it LOOKS bad and could get you falsely banned for something you did not do. I'm not sure if I could spell this out any clearer.

The 3rd party program thing is a totally separate issue in which I was technically guilty and fully admit as much. It was simply my argument in that case that I had an inactive program in the background that wasn't even configured to work on P99 and thus was not actually cheating. I simply got marked as such by the anticheat and staff didn't care to investigate any further. Or they did and decided a 5 minute mistake in which no actual cheating took place was worthy of a permanent ban. Either way I respectfully disagree but they're fully within their rights to do what they did. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna be a little upset about it. I think anyone being honest with themselves would understand why I might feel that way if they were in my shoes.

[Kruel]

I'm not sure if you're trolling me or just don't understand what I was saying. In this situation I had an actual real life human being friend of mine that was at work and couldn't actively play but would have happily sat around semi afk and buffed me occasionally. This LOOKS like boxing to an outsiders perspective. It's not actually boxing. I'm not playing my "friends" account. He's playing his own account just not fully at the keyboard. No automation is taking place. He isn't "afk camping" anything. A program like GINA would be used (expressly permitted by Rogean himself) to alert him when I sent a tell for buffs. Which he would then manually buff me. No automation is happening and no boxing is happening. No rules are being broken. We chose not to do it because it LOOKS bad and could get you falsely banned for something you did not do. I'm not sure if I could spell this out any clearer.

The 3rd party program thing is a totally separate issue in which I was technically guilty and fully admit as much. It was simply my argument in that case that I had an inactive program in the background that wasn't even configured to work on P99 and thus was not actually cheating. I simply got marked as such by the anticheat and staff didn't care to investigate any further. Or they did and decided a 5 minute mistake in which no actual cheating took place was worthy of a permanent ban. Either way I respectfully disagree but they're fully within their rights to do what they did. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna be a little upset about it. I think anyone being honest with themselves would understand why I might feel that way if they were in my shoes.

If your friend is not on your account or the same IP address and is truely at work this is completely legal and they would not bother you. For good form if you are concerned you can request they take you off IP exempt status. You will only get busted if you truely are boxing. If your friend is afk next to you, the guides can see they are not on the same IP address. They can also tell if you actually have an IP exemption also.

[loramin]

If your friend is not on your account or the same IP address and is truely at work this is completely legal and they would not bother you ... You will only get busted if you truely are boxing.

[PlsNoBan]

If your friend is not on your account or the same IP address and is truely at work this is completely legal and they would not bother you. For good form if you are concerned you can request they take you off IP exempt status. You will only get busted if you truely are boxing. If your friend is afk next to you, the guides can see they are not on the same IP address. They can also tell if you actually have an IP exemption also.

I personally do not believe this is true. I think if you appear to be boxing and someone reports it and a GM investigates there's a real chance they issue a box test regardless of IP or exemption status. If what you were saying is true then anyone could just get away with boxing if they had a method to play 2 accounts from different IP's. Just having a different IP isn't a get out of jail free card as your statement seems to imply.

[loramin]

I personally do not believe this is true. I think if you appear to be boxing and someone reports it and a GM investigates there's a real chance they issue a box test regardless of IP or exemption status. If what you were saying is true then anyone could just get away with boxing if they had a method to play 2 accounts from different IP's. Just having a different IP isn't a get out of jail free card as your statement seems to imply.

:rolleyes:

It's very, very simple: box and risk getting banned. Don't box, and play with 100% peace and security, with no fear of losing your account (unless you break another rule, like say using a keypress program).

[PlsNoBan]

Don't box, and play with 100% peace and security

Sorry I don't buy it. You'll never convince me that it's impossible to get banned for suspected boxing when you weren't actually boxing. There's no 100% foolproof way to know one way or another and if it looks bad enough you're gonna get nailed regardless of if you're actually guilty or not. That's just the way it is. Unless you believe P99 staff is omnipresent and can tell with certainty who is/isn't boxing at any given time? That's a crazytown belief but you seem to be of that opinion.

[loramin]

Sorry I don't buy it. You'll never convince me that it's impossible to get banned for suspected boxing when you weren't actually boxing. There's no 100% foolproof way to know one way or another and if it looks bad enough you're gonna get nailed regardless of if you're actually guilty or not. That's just the way it is. Unless you believe P99 staff is omnipresent and can tell with certainty who is/isn't boxing at any given time? That's a crazytown belief but you seem to be of that opinion.

Believe what you want, but this server has been going for over a decade, with (literally) tens of thousands of players all having no problem whatsoever.

[PlsNoBan]

all having no problem whatsoever.

https://i.imgur.com/FXLThSZh.jpg

[Danth]

:rolleyes:

It's very, very simple: box and risk getting banned. Don't box, and play with 100% peace and security, with no fear of losing your account (unless you break another rule, like say using a keypress program).

Well, it's not that simple. Your advice, though well-meaning, might be unintentionally bad. I've been here a lot longer than you have and my wife and I have to think, "Might this look like boxing to someone else?" pretty much every time we log on. We don't feel free to use auto-follow. We couldn't even let our daughter on here for a number of years out of concern she was (then) too young to read and follow GM instructions, if needed. Truth be told, if we played normally we'd probably have earned a ban years ago because certain classes (hello Cleric!), played normally, can be hard to distinguish from boxing. On such classes the wife has to go out of her way doing stuff like getting up and melee'ing specifically so an invisible third-party observer can see that, yes, there's a human there. I advise anyone else to do the same.

Granted, doing the above we've never had any trouble with the staff here, and indeed in the case described earlier in the thread the individual players *weren't* taking such measures. Also granted EQ-EMU has a well-deserved reputation for harboring a large proportion of cheaters who care nothing for rules or server health, hence enforcement has to be strict because the honor system doesn't work for people who have none. There's no easy answer to that problem.

Danth

[PlsNoBan]

Well, it's not that simple. Your advice, though well-meaning, might be unintentionally bad. I've been here a lot longer than you have and my wife and I have to think, "Might this look like boxing to someone else?" pretty much every time we log on. We don't feel free to use auto-follow. We couldn't even let our daughter on here for a number of years out of concern she was (then) too young to read and follow GM instructions, if needed. Truth be told, if we played normally we'd probably have earned a ban years ago because certain classes (hello Cleric!), played normally, can be hard to distinguish from boxing. On such classes the wife has to go out of her way doing stuff like getting up and melee'ing specifically so an invisible third-party observer can see that, yes, there's a human there. I advise anyone else to do the same.

Granted, doing the above we've never had any trouble with the staff here, and indeed in the case described earlier in the thread the individual players *weren't* taking such measures. Also granted EQ-EMU has a well-deserved reputation for harboring a large proportion of cheaters who care nothing for rules or server health, hence enforcement has to be strict because the honor system doesn't work for people who have none. There's no easy answer to that problem.

Danth

No no no. P99 staff is omnipresent and has never made a mistake and no sane human being could ever question that they might at some point make an error and punish someone unfairly. Don't be a silly goose!

Sarcasm obviously. Loramin didn't just sip the kool-aid he shotgunned the pitcher.

[TripSin]

I still remember a long time ago when, after a wipe in Unrest, a guy in the group offered me to get on his other character to SoW me. I assumed he was going to log off his current character to do so so I said okay, fine (but that I could just run without it as I was bound just in Dagnor's) and this cheeky mofo had the audacity to straight box in his "brother's" druid without logging out his other character. I regret not reporting him right then and there even if nothing would've come out of it, but I was new to P99.

[Bardp1999]

VPN or Mobile hotspot should let you guys both play until exemption. FYI the staff can see if you are on one computer so dont even try it. I believe it insta flags your account

[loramin]

Well, it's not that simple. Your advice, though well-meaning, might be unintentionally bad. I've been here a lot longer than you have and my wife and I have to think, "Might this look like boxing to someone else?" pretty much every time we log on. We don't feel free to use auto-follow. We couldn't even let our daughter on here for a number of years out of concern she was (then) too young to read and follow GM instructions, if needed. Truth be told, if we played normally we'd probably have earned a ban years ago because certain classes (hello Cleric!), played normally, can be hard to distinguish from boxing. On such classes the wife has to go out of her way doing stuff like getting up and melee'ing specifically so an invisible third-party observer can see that, yes, there's a human there. I advise anyone else to do the same.

Granted, doing the above we've never had any trouble with the staff here, and indeed in the case described earlier in the thread the individual players *weren't* taking such measures. Also granted EQ-EMU has a well-deserved reputation for harboring a large proportion of cheaters who care nothing for rules or server health, hence enforcement has to be strict because the honor system doesn't work for people who have none. There's no easy answer to that problem.

Danth

Danth, don't feed the trolls. You know perfectly well that your wife could have passed the boxing test, whether she played a Cleric or any other class :p

[Danth]

No, I can't make that assumption. I wish I could. You're talking to two middle aged people who have frequent afk for various reasons and in her case joint trouble too--severe enough these days she can barely play her shaman anymore. So we make it as obvious as we can when we're on that we're separate players and hope that's good enough, so far it has been, but we're never at ease about it. At any rate I don't think it's ever a bad idea to try to make the staff's job as easy as possible.

[PlsNoBan]

No, I can't make that assumption. I wish I could. You're talking to two middle aged people who have frequent afk for various reasons and in her case joint trouble too--severe enough these days she can barely play her shaman anymore. So we make it as obvious as we can when we're on that we're separate players and hope that's good enough, so far it has been, but we're never at ease about it. At any rate I don't think it's ever a bad idea to try to make the staff's job as easy as possible.

At least there's one other sane person in this thread. It's a legitimate concern and you have to base your play on the assumption that you may be box tested at any time if you even sort of look like you might be boxing. Whether you have an IP exemption or not.

[cd288]

Well, it's not that simple. Your advice, though well-meaning, might be unintentionally bad. I've been here a lot longer than you have and my wife and I have to think, "Might this look like boxing to someone else?" pretty much every time we log on. We don't feel free to use auto-follow. We couldn't even let our daughter on here for a number of years out of concern she was (then) too young to read and follow GM instructions, if needed. Truth be told, if we played normally we'd probably have earned a ban years ago because certain classes (hello Cleric!), played normally, can be hard to distinguish from boxing. On such classes the wife has to go out of her way doing stuff like getting up and melee'ing specifically so an invisible third-party observer can see that, yes, there's a human there. I advise anyone else to do the same.

Granted, doing the above we've never had any trouble with the staff here, and indeed in the case described earlier in the thread the individual players *weren't* taking such measures. Also granted EQ-EMU has a well-deserved reputation for harboring a large proportion of cheaters who care nothing for rules or server health, hence enforcement has to be strict because the honor system doesn't work for people who have none. There's no easy answer to that problem.

Danth

I wouldn't worry about the Cleric looking like you're boxing. The GMs will watch for awhile and look for things like your character stopping mid-run to be healed or like running into a wall while chasing a mob and being healed, stuff like that. They won't just instantly go "Oh your cleric stood up and healed you while you were stationary and fighting a mob! You must be boxing!"

They're not mean about it like that. They will watch carefully for the way the characters move and act while both or one are moving etc. I'd say the staff are very good at distinguishing when something is boxing and when it's not (although every now and then they might have two people do the test because they weren't able to distinguish - but usually if you're not boxing you don't have anything to worry about).

[loramin]

No, I can't make that assumption. I wish I could. You're talking to two middle aged people who have frequent afk for various reasons and in her case joint trouble too--severe enough these days she can barely play her shaman anymore. So we make it as obvious as we can when we're on that we're separate players and hope that's good enough, so far it has been, but we're never at ease about it. At any rate I don't think it's ever a bad idea to try to make the staff's job as easy as possible.

You're being overly paranoid. Unless you are boxing your wife's character, she will be at the keyboard when they ask her to do a box test. If she's an able-bodied human at the keyboard, she can pass the test.

[PlsNoBan]

You're being overly paranoid. Unless you are boxing your wife's character, she will be at the keyboard when they ask her to do a box test. If she's an able-bodied human at the keyboard, she can pass the test.

Yeah totally unreasonable to expect that 1 of 2 people gaming in the same household may have to afk unexpectedly and be unable to perform a random box test. Are you really this dense to not understand this is a possibility? You REALLY believe in the history of P99 that nobody has ever been falsely banned? That it's a totally ridiculous thing to even consider?

You're somethin else my guy

[cd288]

Yeah totally unreasonable to expect that 1 of 2 people gaming in the same household may have to afk unexpectedly and be unable to perform a random box test. Are you really this dense to not understand this is a possibility? You REALLY believe in the history of P99 that nobody has ever been falsely banned? That it's a totally ridiculous thing to even consider?

You're somethin else my guy

Except that's not how it works. If you haven't been boxing and the staff are watching you while invis then they aren't going to suddenly be suspicious of boxing unless you start controlling the other person's character while they are AFK. So you can mostly avoid this situation altogether by just not touching their char while they're AFK.

[Danth]

I agree cd288, your post mirrors my own experience. Taking the measures I described previously, the wife and I have never been subject to additional testing. It's fairly obvious to anyone who sees us that we're who we say we are. I do not believe the staff are out to get anyone, and while mistakes can happen, we can minimize those mistakes by being aware of ourselves and by making their task as easy as possible.

Loramin, you're out of line because you're making too many assumptions. I spelled it out previously, so step back, re-read, and recognize that I have fair reason for harboring what you called "paranoia." Or you can ask via PM if required.

Danth

[Trexller]

nobody should ever listen to loramin

this boy spends his life editing the p99 wiki and has come to believe he is the final line on any p99 rules.

how many rejected GM apps are you up to now loramin? 10?

[Windez]

Taking the measures I described previously, the wife and I have never been subject to additional testing.
Danth
Have you been subject to additional testing while not taking those measures though? That's the real question of import here.

If the answer is no, then you can't really say whether or not your measures are doing anything aside from calming your own nerves about the possibility of being accused.

It's like Lisa's tiger repellant rock.
4GzMizVAl-0

[Danth]

If the answer is no, then you can't really say whether or not your measures are doing anything

Obviously I've had thought myself any number of times. On the other hand, we know others get tested, usually when they're sitting there with one or both characters none-too-active, so chalk it up to what you like: luck, obvious behavior, or maybe the staff just likes us and leaves us be. Take your pick, could be anything.

[Mazoku]

Quote:
5. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

This includes programmable keyboards or other devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule. In addition, any program that strictly reads log files is acceptable.


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WELP THERE GOES MY FORAGING DRINKING BIRD IDEA!!

[cannobeers3]

If you are worried about it, you are definitely doing it.

Or, you are just fucking stupid.

[Jhadree J'Hadaan]

Kinda shitty that you and your "friend" want to cheat a 20+ year old game because you can't do what literally thousands of other players can: play it by the rules, as intended.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, especially when there are servers that allow boxing.

[loramin]

nobody should ever listen to loramin

this boy spends his life editing the p99 wiki and has come to believe he is the final line on any p99 rules.

how many rejected GM apps are you up to now loramin? 10?

I just edited the wiki for the first time in months yesterday, but you sure know me: I spend my life on it :rolleyes:

[loramin]

Loramin, you're out of line because you're making too many assumptions. I spelled it out previously, so step back, re-read, and recognize that I have fair reason for harboring what you called "paranoia."

I read and re-read your post ... and I still think you're paranoid.

Joint pain is not going to make you fail an AFK check. Going to the bathroom or taking other breaks while playing will not make you fail an AFK check. And most importantly of all, if you're just playing EQ with another person (and not "I play for twenty minutes, the other person buffs/heals me, then I go back to playing") you'll never even be given an AFK check in the first place.

If you're truly that worried, spell out a scenario under which you think you could get banned, and I (and others I'm sure) will explain how it can't happen. I challenge you.

Look, you can have all the irrational worries you want: that's on you. Seems like a stressful way to live/play, but I can't stop you.

But don't come to a public forum and feed the troll saying there's something wrong with the server policy on two-boxing ... when you don't have a shred of evidence to show otherwise. Personally I find it incredibly offensive to the staff, who've put in a lot of work to create a fair system that has successfully banned a bunch of cheaters, while allowing honest players like you and I to have a (relatively) cheater-free server.

[Danth]

Several different guides and GMs over the years have directly told me I could potentially eat a ban if someone AFK's at the wrong time for even a few minutes. I take them at their words. When I first started here a guide explicitly suggested it would be prudent to make it as obvious as possible we're separate players, so we did. Why not? Years later a staff member directly said it was unwise to let a then-6 year old play and we'd risk a ban if we did. Again I'll take his word. Why shouldn't I? Finally, if you don't think joint pain can interfere with someone's ability to perform specific coordinated movements on demand then all I can say is enjoy your obviously good health in that respect.

I don't think I'm feeding any troll by suggesting folks make the staff's job as easy as possible to try to reduce the odds of human error.

Danth

[loramin]

Several different guides and GMs over the years have directly told me I could potentially eat a ban if someone AFK's at the wrong time for even a few minutes. I take them at their words. When I first started here a guide explicitly suggested it would be prudent to make it as obvious as possible we're separate players, so we did. Why not? Years later a staff member directly said it was unwise to let a then-6 year old play and we'd risk a ban if we did. Again I'll take his word. Why shouldn't I? Finally, if you don't think joint pain can interfere with someone's ability to perform specific coordinated movements on demand then all I can say is enjoy your obviously good health in that respect.

I don't think I'm feeding any troll by suggesting folks make the staff's job as easy as possible to try to reduce the odds of human error.

Danth

We talked in PMs so I'll mostly leave it to that, but I just want to point out that there's a huge difference between an adult and a child playing EQ. A six-year old might have difficulty following even basic instructions like running in a circle, so the GMs were right to caution you.

An adult (even one with joint pain, RSI, etc.) ... if they are capable of playing the game of EverQuest ... is capable of passing the boxing test. Unless they conveniently go AFK right as you get asked to perform said test ... but (again) you'll never be asked to take such a test if you're actually playing the game like two humans, and not soloing with the second account supporting periodically.

I can't say it's impossible, but it would take a true "perfect storm" of A) you "soloing with wife support" (ie. looking just like a boxer; hard to do with two actual players), B) wife goes AFK just when you get asked to test, and C) wife can't come back from afk in a reasonable amount of time ... which is very improbable.

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