5-4 incoming?

[Horza]

Great!

Be happy that this super majority might be voting on the issue soon

Oh wait ...

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/roe_v_wade_voters_divided_about_repealing_decision

Rasmussen claims 80 percent of the public supports GOP voter ID laws, they aren't pretending to be non-partisan since Trump's coup failed.

[starkind]

There's a protest tomorrow in my state.

It's a blue state.

You gonna hookup?

[Elizondo]

Rasmussen claims 80 percent of the public supports GOP voter ID laws, they aren't pretending to be non-partisan since Trump's coup failed.

Oh ok so THAT poll is biased but not the WAPO/ABC poll

lol

[Horza]

Oh ok so THAT poll is biased but not the WAPO/ABC poll

lol

"Stunning Poll Reveals Trump Would Win Election Held Today" (https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/08/18/stunning-poll-reveals-trump-would-win-election-held-today-as-nearly-1-in-10-democrats-regret-their-2020-vote/)

That's the headline of an article published Wednesday in the National Pulse, a pro-Trump news site. It refers to a Rasmussen Research poll that, among other things, asked people who they would vote for today between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Trump took 43% to Biden's 37%.

[Elizondo]

"Stunning Poll Reveals Trump Would Win Election Held Today" (https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/08/18/stunning-poll-reveals-trump-would-win-election-held-today-as-nearly-1-in-10-democrats-regret-their-2020-vote/)

That's the headline of an article published Wednesday in the National Pulse, a pro-Trump news site. It refers to a Rasmussen Research poll that, among other things, asked people who they would vote for today between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Trump took 43% to Biden's 37%.

Bro you're not getting the point ...

Keep trying I guess?

[Horza]

538 says they have to deduct 10% from Trump's favorability in Rasmussen polls to account for their historical bias.

[Elizondo]

538 says they have to deduct 10% from Trump's favorability in Rasmussen polls to account for their historical bias.

So you're citing another pollster (that had Hillary winning by 16 points) to refute a poll (of likely voters) you don't like?

[Horza]

538 is just an aggregator, maybe one poll they linked was that biased but they only ever had her up a handful of points. I assume they actually said she had a two thirds chance of winning and you misinterpreted it because you're a moron.

[Kaveh]

case and point.

Dude you bought cardano

Cmon man!

[Jibartik]

I doubled my cardano thank you very much!

[Kaveh]

Jib I have a cool business idea send me $20k

(LOL). Putin lover

Love ya bud

[Kaveh]

I doubled my cardano thank you very much!

Thank God man I was worried you were a Scientologist or in a cult or something to have bought that shit

[Jibartik]

I should have tripled it but it bottomed out.

what do you have against life?

Love you too

[Elizondo]

538 is just an aggregator, maybe one poll they linked was that biased but they only ever had her up a handful of points. I assume they actually said she had a two thirds chance of winning and you misinterpreted it because you're a moron.

Or maybe he was just feeding you a line of BS Hopium like the WAPO/ABC poll you're so fond of, but again, you should want Roe overturned if the poll is right. Right?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-clinton-landslide-would-look-like/

17651

But after that, the floodgates would really open, with lots of traditionally red states in all parts of the country potentially turning toward Clinton:

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All right, let’s stop there. I’m trying to encourage you to keep an open mind. The way the polls-only model thinks about things, Clinton is ahead by 7 or 8 percentage points now, and the error in the forecast is symmetrical, meaning that she’s as likely to win by 14 or 16 points as she is to lose the popular vote to Trump. There have even been a couple of national polls that showed Clinton with a lead in the mid-teens.

What actually happened

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[Reiwa]

Or maybe he was just feeding you a line of BS Hopium like the WAPO/ABC poll you're so fond of, but again, you should want Roe overturned if the poll is right. Right?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-clinton-landslide-would-look-like/

17651



17650



What actually happened

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There's no way you could remember to link this offhand without being instructed.

[Arvan]

Here’s a nice perspective from somebody smarter than you:

https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/society/on-abortion-carl-sagan-ann-druyan/

[Elizondo]

There's no way you could remember to link this offhand without being instructed.

I find your lack of faith disturbing

[Reiwa]

I find your lack of faith disturbing

Good cuz I just thought of an extremely silly technicality. 🤪

Does contraception prevent fertilization? I always understood it to prevent implantation in the endometrium.

[unsunghero]

Does contraception prevent fertilization?

I think a condom does

[Reiwa]

Good cuz I just thought of an extremely silly technicality. 🤪

Does contraception prevent fertilization? I always understood it to prevent implantation in the endometrium.

Christ on crackers, it's true! (https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/Pages/conditions.aspx?hwid=tw9234#:~:text=If%20one%20of% 20the%20sperm,of%20the%20uterus%20(endometrium).)

https://i.imgur.com/Mw09obU.png

[Reiwa]

I think a condom does

OK but

birth control is murder

[unsunghero]

OK but

birth control is murder

It is?

[Jibartik]

I would love to see men who supported roe V wade go on a sex strike, and not have sex until we secure abortions in this country!

[Jibartik]

yeah btw you can blow your load everywhere and have a period, because those are NOT an individual, they are each the recipe that makes up half an individual.

So BC is not murder, anymore than celibacy is.

You have to conjoin the two, to create an irreplaceable individual with a genome sequence that does not change in anyway until it is destroyed, or is destroyed by natural causes up to 80, 90 or sometimes 100+ years later.

[Reiwa]

It is?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17656&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1651724194

Then why do periods stop on birth control?

[Jibartik]

because a woman's body can no longer produce adequate nutrients for the baby through the womb or her udders.

men, however get handsomer with age.

[Reiwa]

because a woman's body can no longer produce adequate nutrients for the baby through the womb or her udders.

men, however get handsomer with age.

but the egg is fertilized!!

[Reiwa]

if this doesn't go well for me I'll return to my redoubt (https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/95e51b95-e630-43c9-af1b-e5387cc9ad2e) in Plan B

[unsunghero]

Then why do periods stop on birth control?

Uhh being a dude I am not well-versed on that. It looks like…

“Since the pill works by introducing different hormones into your system, it can affect your menstrual cycle. Some women may have lighter bleeding, and others may skip their periods entirely. An abnormal lapse in monthly menstruation is called amenorrhe”

[Reiwa]

Uhh being a dude I am not well-versed on that. It looks like…

“Since the pill works by introducing different hormones into your system, it can affect your menstrual cycle. Some women may have lighter bleeding, and others may skip their periods entirely. An abnormal lapse in monthly menstruation is called amenorrhe”

I remember now! Birth control makes your body think it's already pregnant, so no eggs and no sperm allowed in the uterus.

Plan B is the thing the prevents zygote implantation and is actual murder.

[Jibartik]

but the egg is fertilized!!

wait what?

[Reiwa]

wait what?

With Plan B the egg is already fertilized(gamete+gamete=zygote) but is denied any chance to embed itself in the endometrium.

it all falls out

[Kaveh]

lol dude if the egg wasn’t fertilized why would you even need plan B!

Jesus Christ cmon man!

[Jibartik]

With Plan B the egg is already fertilized(gamete+gamete=zygote) but is denied any chance to embed itself in the endometrium.

it all falls out

oh yeah plan b is an abortion sorry i thought you meant birth control pills. Stopping the period cycle.

[Reiwa]

oh yeah plan b is an abortion sorry i thought you meant birth control pills. Stopping the period cycle.

I did initially, but was wrong. I'm just trying to help.

Hope this helps.

[Kaveh]

oh yeah plan b is an abortion sorry i thought you meant birth control pills. Stopping the period cycle.

For a sec I thought you didn’t understand this and were calling people murderer for abortion

That would’ve been truly amazing

[Horza]

Only took 24 hours for conservatives to start frothing about Plan B, the midterms really are going to be a bloodbath.

[Jibartik]

Instead of when does life begin, how about what is an individual?

What is a person, a single person. What are you, if you were in a coma, if you lost your memory?

Are you the same person? Do you believe if someone lost their memory, that they'd be a different soul? Or is it the same person, just with new memories?

Is your newborn child replaceable? Could we swap him out with another? Why not?

Should an individual be protected? If you had money, and were in a car accident, and lose your memory, should you lose all that money because you are a new person? Or is that your stuff?

[Kaveh]

Cogito ergo sum

[Jibartik]

me inside my moms womb less than 24 hours after my dad got home (https://youtu.be/HDh-g-fUmW0?t=225)

[Tethler]

29 pages of pointless arguing. Everyone participating in this thread came here already entrenched in whatever position they hold on the topic. Nobody here is ever going to convince anyone else here to change their opinion on this topic. Stop literally wasting your lives.

[robayon]

29 pages of pointless arguing. Everyone participating in this thread came here already entrenched in whatever position they hold on the topic. Nobody here is ever going to convince anyone else here to change their opinion on this topic. Stop literally wasting your lives.Welcome to the Off-Topic elf forum, where we have different hobbies than you

[starkind]

29 pages of pointless arguing. Everyone participating in this thread came here already entrenched in whatever position they hold on the topic. Nobody here is ever going to convince anyone else here to change their opinion on this topic. Stop literally wasting your lives.

Welcome to the Off-Topic elf forum, where we have different hobbies than you

https://i.imgur.com/Sspk2Qq.gif
:o

[BlackBellamy]

29 pages of pointless arguing. Everyone participating in this thread came here already entrenched in whatever position they hold on the topic. Nobody here is ever going to convince anyone else here to change their opinion on this topic. Stop literally wasting your lives.

My current stance is to oppose abortion on the grounds it reduces future cheap labor.

My definition of abortion is the killing of a fetus when it kind of looks like a baby.

I'm flexible on both, not having any real skin in the game.


I am completely against the current jurisprudence, which allows...uhh...what's the current terminology the kids use... person with spread open legs to terminate a pregnancy to escape a lifetime of financial and legal obligations while denying that to the person with a hot load of cum. I don't feel a person with a hot load of cum should have to pay child support if they offered to pay for a timely abortion.

[starkind]

No one dies from natural causes anymore really...the news propagandists occasionally post about some 80 year old + dude but even a lot of them don't die in their sleep peacefully when they could have lived to 300 +

Anyway most people are collectively aborted. Unless you're like cool. Than you get a fresh infusion of babyjuices. Everyone knows this.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

29 pages of pointless arguing. Everyone participating in this thread came here already entrenched in whatever position they hold on the topic. Nobody here is ever going to convince anyone else here to change their opinion on this topic. Stop literally wasting your lives.

Debate is for the people reading the thread and not participating. You can change the minds of those people. Of course the person you are debating will not change their mind easily. Otherwise it wouldn't really be a debate:)

[Skarne]

29 pages of pointless arguing. Everyone participating in this thread came here already entrenched in whatever position they hold on the topic. Nobody here is ever going to convince anyone else here to change their opinion on this topic. Stop literally wasting your lives.

[MrSparkle001]

Notice how quickly we shut the hell up about Ukraine? It went from "oh the Russians are killing those helpless innocent Ukrainians!" to "oh they might not let us kill helpless innocent babies anymore!"

[starkind]

I didn't it's just pointless to post about it because you won't nuke them. And ZcDynkelskkaisz wins anyway.

My main issue is we stopped getting any decent news tidbits. I know the Ukrainians may have allegedyly took a huge loss of 200 civilian casualties in one of their steelworks probably thats about it.

meanwhile russia continues to lose kinda expensive military hardware and comms stuff

at least we could nuke orbit so all the sats went down, butt that would actually probably bennifit russia because their tech guys are crap vs our amazeballz elon muskies

----- honestly on the topic of replying to threads and actually having a debate... in off topic, i kinda don't give a shit what your opinion is you are entitled to it it's not my job to convince you not to be dumb and or bad

so i'm kinda trying to limit my posting to a few little /s(atanic) blips and quips poking fun at dumb shit. Like what it actually means to be a person in this country (nothing lol)

I would rather be a corporation :p :o and a lobby :D :D :D

[Lojik]

Ignoring any potential negative societal effects from declaring any sort of abortion murder, it presents a heck of a lot of practical issues that need to be dealt with:

Bringing a human into the world is a long, often unsuccessful and often dangerous process (especially for the human being brought into the world.) If we adopt the view that any abortion is murder, does that mean that anytime a woman is pregnant and then ceases to be, that we need the government to conduct an investigation? Miscarriages are common, probably 1/3 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. There are probably thousands of cases yearly where American women are pregnant, miscarry, and don't even know it.

If you're saying humanity begins at conception, then should all these humans be given the same rights and protections as any US citizen? If the answer is yes, then what solution can we give that doesn't involve policing every woman's body? Should all miscarriages be investigated? If a woman does not do exactly as prescribed in order to bring a healthy baby into the world (maybe she ate fast food a few times) is she now guilty of manslaughter? Criminal negligence?

What about ectopic pregnancies? A fertilized egg that has 0% chance of viability and is dangerous to the mother. If there's abortion in that case, is that murder? What about cases where known birth defects mean a child will be born with life expectancies of less than a year? Less than a month? Are abortions in that case murder?

Aside from the from the physical difficulties of childbirth, the responsibilities, the inconveniences of pregnancy, pregnancy almost always takes a much bigger emotional toll on the woman than the man. Miscarriages of wanted pregnancies can devastate mothers emotionally, even miscarriages of unwanted or unplanned pregnancies can take an enormous emotional toll on the mother. To then weigh on them the potential to have their privacy invaded and suspicion turned on them of somehow killing their baby to me seems cruel. And yet, if you subscribe to the black and white view that abortion is murder, and that a conceived child is a human, full stop, I don't see how you can reconcile that without being exceptionally cruel to mothers in their darkest hour.

[robayon]

Notice how quickly we shut the hell up about Ukraine? It went from "oh the Russians are killing those helpless innocent Ukrainians!" to "oh they might not let us kill helpless innocent babies anymore!"I don't understand this or who you are being critical of here. I think about all kinds of things, sometimes at the same time and sometimes later down the road. I think about things I wasn't even alive to witness. Who cares? The average person these days has the attention span of a goldfish, it's a direct result of all the various forces present in the information age, which has become an ironic name

[MrSparkle001]

Bringing a human into the world is a long, often unsuccessful and often dangerous process (especially for the human being brought into the world.) If we adopt the view that any abortion is murder, does that mean that anytime a woman is pregnant and then ceases to be, that we need the government to conduct an investigation? Miscarriages are common, probably 1/3 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. There are probably thousands of cases yearly where American women are pregnant, miscarry, and don't even know it.

I'd say it has to be willful. There has to be intent to end the pregnancy.

Haven't there been cases where someone was prosecuted not only for killing a woman but killing the woman's unborn child along with her? Should I google it and see if my memory is correct?

I don't understand this or who you are being critical of here. I think about all kinds of things, sometimes at the same time and sometimes later down the road. I think about things I wasn't even alive to witness. Who cares? The average person these days has the attention span of a goldfish, it's a direct result of all the various forces present in the information age, which has become an ironic name

I just find it amusing how quickly our public outrage disappears when something new to bother ourselves with comes along.

[Reiwa]

Ignoring any potential negative societal effects from declaring any sort of abortion murder, it presents a heck of a lot of practical issues that need to be dealt with:

Bringing a human into the world is a long, often unsuccessful and often dangerous process (especially for the human being brought into the world.) If we adopt the view that any abortion is murder, does that mean that anytime a woman is pregnant and then ceases to be, that we need the government to conduct an investigation? Miscarriages are common, probably 1/3 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. There are probably thousands of cases yearly where American women are pregnant, miscarry, and don't even know it.

If you're saying humanity begins at conception, then should all these humans be given the same rights and protections as any US citizen? If the answer is yes, then what solution can we give that doesn't involve policing every woman's body? Should all miscarriages be investigated? If a woman does not do exactly as prescribed in order to bring a healthy baby into the world (maybe she ate fast food a few times) is she now guilty of manslaughter? Criminal negligence?

What about ectopic pregnancies? A fertilized egg that has 0% chance of viability and is dangerous to the mother. If there's abortion in that case, is that murder? What about cases where known birth defects mean a child will be born with life expectancies of less than a year? Less than a month? Are abortions in that case murder?

Aside from the from the physical difficulties of childbirth, the responsibilities, the inconveniences of pregnancy, pregnancy almost always takes a much bigger emotional toll on the woman than the man. Miscarriages of wanted pregnancies can devastate mothers emotionally, even miscarriages of unwanted or unplanned pregnancies can take an enormous emotional toll on the mother. To then weigh on them the potential to have their privacy invaded and suspicion turned on them of somehow killing their baby to me seems cruel. And yet, if you subscribe to the black and white view that abortion is murder, and that a conceived child is a human, full stop, I don't see how you can reconcile that without being exceptionally cruel to mothers in their darkest hour.

What is miscarriage? What happens to the baby and is there malice and intent?

Also why is it a baby now? It was a fetus when it suited your arguments but you got sloppy.

[Reiwa]

Only took 24 hours for conservatives to start frothing about Plan B, the midterms really are going to be a bloodbath.

argue. don't just try to hurt feelings!

[robayon]

argue. don't just try to hurt feelings!

[bomaroast]

Don't think. Don't empathize with either mother, father or unborn. Just parrot. Those other people are nasty and wrong, you and your people are good and right.

[starkind]

argue. don't just try to hurt feelings!

I come here so I can get radicaluleized by the best hoomans have to offer.

[Lojik]

I'd say it has to be willful. There has to be intent to end the pregnancy.

My point is, if we accept that the conceived child is a human, full stop, and that killing that human is murder, full stop, doesn't that mean they should be awarded the same kinds of protections as a US citizen would be granted? Accidentally killing someone with your car can result in a manslaughter charge, why not improperly caring for the unborn child in pregnancy?

How do you determine intent? Usually that's done with some kind of investigation, correct? In my opinion, there are issues with enforcement that either infringe upon a persons right to their own body, their own privacy, or do not allow equal protection under the law for the tiniest of humans.

What is miscarriage? What happens to the baby and is there malice and intent?

Also why is it a baby now? It was a fetus when it suited your arguments but you got sloppy.

Well, as to your second point, I did not once use the word "fetus," and if I wrote "bringing a healthy fetus into this world," that doesn't make sense. I tried to use language which adopted the position that a human's life begins at conception, which is what seems to be a basic tenet of pro life philosophy, no?

By the way, I don't think think anything I posted refutes the claim that a human's life begins at conception, nor am I even arguing that. My point is, if we do adopt the view that 1) a human's life beings at conception and 2) abortion is murder, then we now have lots of issues that come with this that need to be sorted out that I do not believe can be broken down into nice neatly black and white stances like "abortion is murder."

[Reiwa]

Haven't there been cases where someone was prosecuted not only for killing a woman but killing the woman's unborn child along with her? Should I google it and see if my memory is correct?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rae_Carruth

My point is, if we accept that the conceived child is a human, full stop, and that killing that human is murder, full stop, doesn't that mean they should be awarded the same kinds of protections as a US citizen would be granted? Accidentally killing someone with your car can result in a manslaughter charge, why not improperly caring for the unborn child in pregnancy?

How do you determine intent? Usually that's done with some kind of investigation, correct? In my opinion, there are issues with enforcement that either infringe upon a persons right to their own body, their own privacy, or do not allow equal protection under the law for the tiniest of humans.



Well, as to your second point, I did not once use the word "fetus," and if I wrote "bringing a healthy fetus into this world," that doesn't make sense. I tried to use language which adopted the position that a human's life begins at conception, which is what seems to be a basic tenet of pro life philosophy, no?

By the way, I don't think think anything I posted refutes the claim that a human's life begins at conception, nor am I even arguing that. My point is, if we do adopt the view that 1) a human's life beings at conception and 2) abortion is murder, then we now have lots of issues that come with this that need to be sorted out that I do not believe can be broken down into nice neatly black and white stances like "abortion is murder."

Can't reply to all of that but I would say, under that definition, going to the pharmacy and acquiring an abortifact would be premeditated and intentional.

The accidental miscarriage thing I can only think we'd have to turn the homicide stack upside down to charge for intentional murder but not unintentional manslaughter? Or is that in already?

[Jibartik]

It's ironic that the same people that dont think they should pay their student debt, think that they should be able to kill babies after they got a hot load of cum injection.

[Jibartik]

Is it sad when someone dies, because a life is gone, or because a completely unique individual is gone?

[Reiwa]

It's ironic that the same people that dont think they should pay their student debt think they should be able to take a life

Legal exemptions for female-presenting birthing persons is patriarchy.

(Cleaned up the potty mouth)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Anybody using the "raising children is hard" argument is silly. For the vast majority of human existence, human beings lived much harder lives than we did. Yet they continued to reproduce, and here we are. Basically you are just a weakling if you use the "raising children is hard" argument. Women gave birth and raised children in circumstances that would seem like hell to us, but for them it was just another Tuesday.

It is easier than ever to have a baby and give it up for adoption. The case for abortion only gets worse as general quality of life improves, and as minimum viability keeps getting pushed forward due to medical advances.

[robayon]

Anyone who uses the argument that raising children is hard is a monster IMO lol what kind of an reason is that to kill the kid?Pretty sure that poster is on the pro-forced birth side on this issue

[Jibartik]

It costs wealthy people up to 50-100k to artificially inseminate themselves or have someone carry a baby for them.

When going through an agency, whether domestic or international, adoption costs can easily exceed $30,000 upon completion.

If you get pregnant and cant afford daycare, just sell your baby on the black market. Youll be able to afford a new house.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Pretty sure that poster is on the pro-forced birth side on this issue

There is no such thing as "forced birth" 99.999% of the time. The amount of people in America going around stealing women, raping them, and then imprisoning them for 9 months to give birth is probably less than 10.

[Jibartik]

what the fuck is forced birth lol

not being allowed to kill a baby after a hot load of c injection?

[Skarne]

Yeah let's go back to the way things were in the 1920's where women died getting backdoor abortions and resorted to using clothes hangers. This isn't going to stop abortion it's just going to make it harder to get and more dangerous to do in the states that decide to make them illegal.

Nobody should have the right to tell another person what to do with their body. You cannot be forced to donate blood or marrow or organs even though thousands die every year on waiting lists.

Someone can't harvest your organs after death without your explicit permission. Denying women the right to abortion means they have less autonomy than a corpse.

[Jibartik]

strange pivot:

no abortions

"lets get rid of electricity"

[Skarne]

Frankly I'm not surprised about the opinions here though. Fucking incels.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah let's go back to the way things were in the 1920's where women died getting backdoor abortions and resorted to using clothes hangers. This isn't going to stop abortion it's just going to make it harder to get and more dangerous to do in the states that decide to make them illegal.

Nobody should have the right to tell another person what to do with their body. You cannot be forced to donate blood or marrow or organs even though thousands die every year on waiting lists.

Someone can't harvest your organs after death without your explicit permission. Denying women the right to abortion means they have less autonomy than a corpse.

Back alley abortions have been around since the beginning of the human race. People still do it even with legalized abortion lol. You can never stop it.

[Skarne]

Back alley abortions have been around since the beginning of the human race. People still do it even with legalized abortion lol. You can never stop it.

Lol that is the dumbest fucking argument i've ever read from you. Good luck on everquest.

[robayon]

what the fuck is forced birth lol

not being allowed to kill a baby after a hot load of c injection?it's the new term for the anti-choice position of the general right wing person, since they're absolutely not pro-life

[Jibartik]

Nobody should have the right to tell another person what to do with their body.

so parents telling their kids to go to time out is fasicsm now?

or is that ok, and telling your kid to go back to stardust is too?

its a fact, once you fertalize an egg, you created a unique individual that is completely their own and unreplicatable.

Once you destroy it, you destroyed that person, that genetic code that does not change from fertilization, till the day you rot into dust in a grave.

It does not change, it is YOU, it is a unique individual, created by 2 people.

Then thrown into a dumpster.

Pathetic.

Fucking incels.

It's called being married and having learned from a life of experience that being a 20 year old young dumb and full of cum is not enough of a reason for you to set fire to peoples lives.

Heres what we should do: If there is an abortion the male should have to pay 10,000 dollar fine.

How about that?

Ohhhhh you wouldnt want that, because the whole reason you wanted to destroy an individual was because you were trying to make your life more FUN and carefree!

Disgusting attitude to have IMO

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Lol that is the dumbest fucking argument i've ever read from you. Good luck on everquest.

Sorry, but it's the truth.

[Skarne]

so parents telling their kids to go to time out is fasicsm now?

or is that ok, and telling your kid to go back to stardust is too?

its a fact, once you fertalize an egg, you created a unique individual that is completely their own and unreplicatable.

Once you destroy it, you destroyed that person, that genetic code that does not change from fertilization, till the day you rot into dust in a grave.

It does not change, it is YOU, it is a unique individual, created by 2 people.

Then thrown into a dumpster.

Pathetic.

Haha nice leap of logic. You're pathetic and I'm glad I dont have to know you in real life.

[robayon]

Sorry, but it's the truth.it's literally the same reasoning as the state funding injection clinics, which freaked out the right wing goobers 'round here

but i'm really tired of pointing out blatant hypocrisy on the right

[Jibartik]

Haha nice leap of logic.

You litearlly think we should roll back the clock to 1920 because we make abortion a state issue????

[Jibartik]

Lol that is the dumbest fucking argument i've ever read from you. Good luck on everquest.

Your argument that because there is back alley abortions we should make 900k legal abortions a year is the dumbest fucking argument ive ever read from you though too.

[robayon]

You litearlly think we should roll back the clock to 1920 because we make abortion a state issue????don't you literally want the rapture to take place?

[loramin]

A bunch of grown men in an elf sim forum passionately arguing how they have a right to control another person's body ... when the moment the US government tried to do anything whatsoever to control theirs, they'd be the first one screaming about it.

Fucking hypocrites.

[Skarne]

Your argument that because there is back alley abortions we should make 900k legal abortions a year is the dumbest fucking argument ive ever read from you though too.

My argument is that because of the ban more women will resort to dangerous back alley abortions rather than getting them safe at a legitimate doctor you fucking rube. Enjoy your precious rapture and don't cry to me in DMs again about how I hurt your feelings either you weak weak person.

[Jibartik]

Lol that is the dumbest fucking argument i've ever read from you. Good luck on everquest.

arguments about back alley abortions justifying 900k legal abortions a year are the dumbest arguments bro:

Gimi a break, you care about the health of a bitch willing to kill a baby in a back alley, but not life of that the baby?

BULLSHIT crocodile tears

[Skarne]

A bunch of grown men in an elf sim forum passionately arguing how they have a right to control another person's body ... when the moment the US government tried to do anything whatsoever to control theirs, they'd be the first one screaming about it.

Fucking hypocrites.

[Reiwa]

A bunch of grown men in an elf sim forum passionately arguing how they have a right to control another person's body ... when the moment the US government tried to do anything whatsoever to control theirs, they'd be the first one screaming about it.

Fucking hypocrites.

Hey man if the court can legislate a right into existence they can legislate that same right out of existence.

[Jibartik]

A bunch of grown men in an elf sim forum passionately arguing how they have a right to control another person's body ... when the moment the US government tried to do anything whatsoever to control theirs, they'd be the first one screaming about it.

Fucking hypocrites.

You're right, whatever I do with my body, no matter how it affects any other individuals on the planet, is my right.

If someone wants to use their body to hurt someone else? its their right.

IF they want to rob someone with their own body? it's their right.

You are an individual, just like that genetic code you give no rights to, but this is MY body, and MY right.

The only difference is that you went through puberty, and have hands, thats the only difference between you and a fetus.

[Skarne]

arguments about back alley abortions justifying 900k legal abortions a year are the dumbest arguments bro:

Gimi a break, you care about the health of a bitch willing to kill a baby in a back alley, but not life of that the baby?

BULLSHIT crocodile tears

Ahhh so women are bitches to you? That makes a lot of sense.

[Jibartik]

A bunch of grown men in an elf sim forum passionately arguing how they have a right to control another person's body ... when the moment the US government tried to do anything whatsoever to control theirs, they'd be the first one screaming about it.

Fucking hypocrites.

You having a baby does not harm me.

The ENTIRE argument for covid mandates was, your behavior would harm me.

OK do you get it?

[Jibartik]

Ahhh so women are bitches to you? That makes a lot of sense.

YES a woman who gets a back alley abortion is a BITCH!

[Skarne]

YES a woman who gets a back alley abortion is a BITCH!

Haha k GL out there

[robayon]

You having a baby does not harm me.does a stranger getting an abortion harm you

[DeathsSilkyMist]

A bunch of grown men in an elf sim forum passionately arguing how they have a right to control another person's body ... when the moment the US government tried to do anything whatsoever to control theirs, they'd be the first one screaming about it.

Fucking hypocrites.

It's not hypocritical, you simply do not have the basic understanding of what personal autonomy means. If you put someone in jail because they murdered someone, that is controlling their body. The vast majority of people in America agree that forcibly controlling another's body is permissible in the specific case of murder.

It is perfectly reasonable to argue about when we are allowed to forcibly control someone's body and when we cannot. We already do this with crimes like murder.

[Jibartik]

Haha k GL out there

If the penalty for impregnating a girl from rape, was life in prison, you explain to me how the slippery slope of not punishing rapists, is less slippery than making abortion illegal, and punishing the rapist for manslaughter/premeditated murder????

You cant. Because you dotn think really hard, and have deep passions about this, like you literally believe that the 900k abortions we have per year, would all become back alley abortions.

How many back alley abortions per year are there in 1980? 1990? 2000? You dont know, because the IDEA of back alley abortions is what you're afraid of. Not the reality.

[Reiwa]

Anyway, is contraception in danger? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut)

https://i.imgur.com/1co0pHl.gif

[Jibartik]

does a stranger getting an abortion harm you

yes because it creates a society where people dont value the familial unit, where they postpone growing up until their 40s, where the economy becomes so fragile because everone is a gimi gimi gimi person, and we're where we're at right now.

Society is crumbling, because if you even HAVE a culture, people call you a racist.

That goes for all races, black or white or immigrant.

We're creating a system where if you dont just agree with the establishment tiktoks about entrapanurism, then you're a religious zelot.

I cant believe you anarchists dont see what is happening.

[starkind]

If u post ur sexiest may2022 pic in this thread ill post my most recent one as of today.

[Jibartik]

If u post ur sexiest may2022 pic in this thread ill post my most recent one as of today.

https://i.imgur.com/QjICJFR.png

[robayon]

yes because it creates a society where people dont value the familial unit, where they postpone growing up until their 40s, where the economy becomes so fragile because everone is a gimi gimi gimi person, and we're where we're at right now.

Society is crumbling, because if you even HAVE a culture, people call you a racist.

That goes for all races, black or white or immigrant.

We're creating a system where if you dont just agree with the establishment tiktoks about entrapanurism, then you're a religious zelot.

I cant believe you anarchists dont see what is happening.I don't really believe any of the stuff in your entire first paragraph and it seems like you're making some vast leaps there.

Anyways, I have previously stated that I do not think that using abortion as post-sex birth control is ethical. However, I do not think me thinking it's unethical gives me the right, or the state, to tell a woman what she can and can't do with that potential life.

It's between her and God. I believe our lives are chock full of sin anyways, but the right fuming about this particular one is very hypocritical and suspicious, given the control it gives the state over women.

I understand libertarian values. I am not a right wing libertarian. All kinds of unethical stuff is legal, including vast amounts of murder. But the right does not seem worried about that.

Or what passes for the left in America, but that's a different discussion

[Jibartik]

I don't really believe any of the stuff in your entire first paragraph and it seems like you're making some vast leaps there.

wait are you saying abortion rights have no effect on society?~!??! ok then problem solved, moving on!

Anyways, I have previously stated that I do not think that using abortion as post-sex birth control is ethical.

Nowhere did I suggest that, or even imply that was an effect of outlawing abortion: No it creates the idea that a child is expendable and that you stay young and should work (do tiktok) until you are going through menopause and its too late to have kids.

I WILL argue that the kids who are having too much fun with their college degrees, to decide to buckle down and get a job, and work hard, is both the reason we're collapsing, and a result of the 20-40 rumbspringah melinials think life is meant to be.

[Jibartik]

People say this is a metaphore for capitalism:

WRONG

it's a metaphor for abortion in a capitalist system:

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It literally IS the best western argument for abortion: I cant afford to work my job and have the baby and make the money.

[Homesteaded]

yes because it creates a society where people dont value the familial unit, where they postpone growing up until their 40s, where the economy becomes so fragile because everone is a gimi gimi gimi person, and we're where we're at right now.

Society is crumbling, because if you even HAVE a culture, people call you a racist.

That goes for all races, black or white or immigrant.

We're creating a system where if you dont just agree with the establishment tiktoks about entrapanurism, then you're a religious zelot.

I cant believe you anarchists dont see what is happening.

Amen brother. Things matter, choices matter. Super controversial stuff in 2022.

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/QjICJFR.png

https://i.imgur.com/fxUirby.jpeg
Lol I'm not actually her tho.


*Abortion is pretty much murder.
*The government should stay out of it
*It's between the doctor and pregnant female

*murder is bad im not interested in harming people or society to stop it, there's more helpful ways of stopping murder outside man's laws. G-d's are the only laws that matter. And G-d is the only one who can truly enforce his laws. Man has not ascended or been granted such authority. Man has a lot of work and sacrifice to do first.


I don't care when you murder your babies. Society does a pretty good job of murdering the unwanted and unneeded ones. So if you deal with it early and want that on you, all the power.

Society is still at fault for murder anyways until people learn to stop being shitty and care for eachother and the earth anyway though. Ya'll have bloody hands. So few don't. Satan owns this world. So making laws to control and dominate people will always fail.

You must sacrifice and give for others to end baby murdering and the motivation behind it.

:p

[robayon]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

[Homesteaded]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

A lefty using hypocrisy as an argument is peak delusion.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military. Becoming pregnant is completely within the control of the mother, with the obvious exception of the rare and terrible case of rape.

The military deals with situations that often form outside of America's control. Many times military operations are in a grey area. When we were attacked on 9/11, we could have certainly not gone to war. On the one hand that could have reduced the total number of deaths caused by war in the past 20 years. On the other hand attacks could have continued on America if we showed that we had no interest in defending ourselves.

Which scenario would save more lives? Nobody knows. But we do know that not having an abortion will save the babies life most of the time.

[starkind]

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military. Becoming pregnant is completely within the control of the mother, with the obvious exception of the rare and terrible case of rape.

The military deals with situations that often form outside of America's control. Many times military operations are in a grey area. When we were attacked on 9/11, we could have certainly not gone to war. On the one hand that could have reduced the total number of deaths caused by war in the past 20 years. On the other hand attacks could have continued on America if we showed that we had no interest in defending ourselves.

Which scenario would save more lives? Nobody knows. But we do know that not having an abortion will save the babies life most of the time.

Until you throw it in the street or sex traffic it to Russia in order to be some politicians new handler. Great job. 👍

I say we skip the concentration camps and just recycle people. Turn em directly into jet fuel or bombs, who needs oil than?

[Jibartik]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

Nowhere did I suggest that, or even imply that was an effect of outlawing abortion: No it creates the idea that a child is expendable and that you stay young and should work (do tiktok) until you are going through menopause and its too late to have kids.

I WILL argue that the kids who are having too much fun with their college degrees, to decide to buckle down and get a job, and work hard, is both the reason we're collapsing, and a result of the 20-40 rumbspringah melinials think life is meant to be.

I didnt, nor do I imply that its birth control, not related, not what im talking about.

I will argue that today, the kids enjoying their post college graduation, by having fun, going to bars and concerts, spending money like its free, saving nothing, not planning on their future, not looking for someone to settle down with forever, but someone to settle down with that night, is causing society to become the tiktok loving endorphans first fyrefest greedy give me more give it to me now, WORST example of what capitalism has to offer.

The destruction of even the IDEA that a 20 year old should be a parent, is causing 20 year olds to commit crime and ruin their lives.

"pro-life" but is also pro-military,

To be absolutely clear tucker carlson, and the trump fans, are staunchly anti war.

They didnt used to be, but we are now, because the other side is STRONGLY pro war. STRONGLY. I know, because I used to be on the other side, until my allies started talking crazy and my enemies started talking rationally.

I have not changed, but you can compare tucker today from tucker years ago and its a FACT he did.

[robayon]

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military.I can and I will. And I am also talking about systems bigger than the military, like capitalism itself. And American foreign policy. Our system murders shitloads of people, largely in other countries, to keep our goods cheap, more or less. But somehow nobody on the right wants to tangle with this fact.

Are ALL of those due to the USA alone? No, of course not. But I'll continue to criticize it from the standpoint of the USA because I am an American myself. There's blood on everyone's hands here.

[robayon]

A lefty using hypocrisy as an argument is peak delusion.Feel free to make a cogent argument yourself, I guess, until then you're still categorized as a lazy reactionary

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I can and I will. And I am also talking about systems bigger than the military, like capitalism itself. And American foreign policy. Our system murders shitloads of people, largely in other countries, to keep our goods cheap, more or less. But somehow nobody on the right wants to tangle with this fact.

Are ALL of those due to the USA alone? No, of course not. But I'll continue to criticize it from the standpoint of the USA because I am an American myself. There's blood on everyone's hands here.

Well you certainly have the right to be wrong:) Freedom of speech.

But it is factually incorrect to compare the military to abortion. You are basically just saying anything with a similar outcome (death) is the same. That is nonsensical.

Logically that is like saying "Working in a factory is equal to abortion because some jobs are dangerous enough to kill you".

[robayon]

Well you certainly have the right to be wrong:) Freedom of speech.

But it is factually incorrect to compare the military to abortion. You are basically just saying anything with a similar outcome (death) is the same. That is nonsensical.

Logically that is like saying "Working in a factory is equal to abortion because some jobs are dangerous enough to kill you".Here's the rub: is every person killed by the state or its tentacles through some means justified? Every casualty of war? Noncombatants? Civilians who are in the wrong building?

What about someone who takes a job in a dangerous sweatshop because they have no other feasible option, and then gets killed? What about pollution from that sweatshop causing a series of miscarriages in a village downstream from the water source it pollutes?

Until we address these complicated things, conservatives bloviating about abortions in the USA, and using the state to attempt to control it, is hypocrisy. We all look the other way on a certain amount of death

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Here's the rub: is every person killed by the state or its tentacles through some means justified? Every casualty of war? Noncombatants? Civilians who are in the wrong building?

What about someone who takes a job in a dangerous sweatshop because they have no other feasible option, and then gets killed? What about pollution from that sweatshop causing a series of miscarriages in a village downstream from the water source it pollutes?

Until we address these complicated things, conservatives bloviating about abortions in the USA, and using the state to attempt to control it, is hypocrisy. We all look the other way on a certain amount of death

Nobody is saying all deaths caused by the military are justified.

Nobody is saying it is fair that some people have to work shitty jobs.

Nobody is saying life is fair.

The reality is the problems you are talking about have never been solved by any civilization in history. Ever. I am not saying that we shouldn't try to solve these issues, but you are basically trying to attribute problems as old as humanity to America, which is wrong.

We fix problems when we can, and abortion is an easier thing to fix than the dilemma of nations going to war, or solving poverty once and for all.

[Reiwa]

Until we address these complicated things, conservatives bloviating about abortions in the USA, and using the state to attempt to control it, is hypocrisy. We all look the other way on a certain amount of death

Why is it hypocritical for the American state to protect the American people?

[Homesteaded]

Feel free to make a cogent argument yourself, I guess, until then you're still categorized as a lazy reactionary

Sure, up until 4 seconds ago the left was hell bent on using terms like "birthing person". Now women are back on the top of the stack. The lefts problem is they pretend to care about far too many issues. The strength of the right is it's ability to boil down and focus on issues for what they really are.

[starkind]

So instead of offering to take care of babies and make the world fit for them and their mom's you'll just throw more people in Mordors "jails". Indenturing them to the state and the corporations benefitting from the state.

You're all legendary heroes to me. For taking the lazy Satanic way out.

[Jibartik]

Whos not offering to take care of kids? Adopting is a privilege in this country under the current law.

[robayon]

Why is it hypocritical for the American state to protect the American people?Is "protecting the American people" invading Afghanistan and Iraq but looking the other way on Saudi Arabia?

I wouldn't be opposed to a military if it was purely defensive, but that's not how it works

[starkind]

Whos not offering to take care of kids? Adopting is a privilege in this country under the current law.

Have you walked around outside? Let's clean up the environment and fix the homeless and poor and sick before we go jerking off our own egos about superyachts and our 20,000 car colonies on mars.

Maybe put people like Putin, Trump, and Biden in their places too. All three of them belong on a farm. Recycling manure or weaving egg baskets or whatever until they are fit and mentally healthy again.

Same goes for all the rest too. It's a long list. Start there.

[Reiwa]

Is "protecting the American people" invading Afghanistan and Iraq but looking the other way on Saudi Arabia?

I wouldn't be opposed to a military if it was purely defensive, but that's not how it works

If we're satisfied the Saudi state was not in any way complicit in the attack on US, sure why not?

[Jibartik]

Have you walked around outside? Let's clean up the environment and fix the homeless and poor and sick before we go jerking off our own egos about superyachts and our 20,000 car colonies on mars.

Maybe put people like Putin, Trump, and Biden in their places too.

govement not solving any of these issues with YOUR money: "these things take time!"

elon not solving these issues with HIS money: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[starkind]

govement not solving any of these issues with YOUR money: "these things take time!"

elon not solving these issues with HIS money: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It's not his money. Most of it. Isn't. Nor their land.

They got it through contracts with the devil through the United States. And most of it isn't real tangible money just fiat and decree. Power brokerage. You own this. I own you. Etc.

[unsunghero]

Whos not offering to take care of kids? Adopting is a privilege in this country under the current law.

If some states are going to criminalize abortion than there absolutely should be some investment into adoption and fostering. Those states would need to find a way to encourage more people to adopt or foster, and by more people, I mean more of the right kind of people

And in order for it to be the right kind of people, those programs need to not lie to people (which they do) and downplay the negatives of the experience. They downplay the reality that many of these kids will have been substance exposed, abused and neglected. They will have sometimes major negative behaviors. The right kind of person is someone who knows this in advance and can handle it in a healthy way. The wrong kind of person will either bail immediately further messing the kid up, or worse abuse/neglect the kid more

The best way to motivate people is money. Offer to pay more or remove the costs to adopt. Something like that. I think it’s a foolish move to attempt to reduce or criminalize abortion without also improving infrastructure. And the same goes for pushing birth control better

[Jibartik]

Ayn Rand

That's all I have to say.

[robayon]

The reality is the problems you are talking about have never been solved by any civilization in history. Ever. I am not saying that we shouldn't try to solve these issues, but you are basically trying to attribute problems as old as humanity to America, which is wrong.

We fix problems when we can, and abortion is an easier thing to fix than the dilemma of nations going to war, or solving poverty once and for all.Well pardon me if I believe in the American people more than you you do. I said these problems aren't uniquely American. But maybe I think America's unique position in recent history gives us the ability to essentially save the world and create the Harmonium, but instead, we are doing explicitly the reverse of that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If some states are going to criminalize abortion than there absolutely should be some investment into adoption and fostering. Those states would need to find a way to encourage more people to adopt or foster, and by more people, I mean more of the right kind of people

And in order for it to be the right kind of people, those programs need to not lie to people (which they do) and downplay the negatives of the experience. They downplay the reality that many of these kids will have been substance exposed, abused and neglected. They will have sometimes major negative behaviors. The right kind of person is someone who knows this in advance and can handle it in a healthy way. The wrong kind of person will either bail immediately further messing the kid up, or worse abuse/neglect the kid more

The best way to motivate people is money. Offer to pay more or remove the costs to adopt. Something like that. I think it’s a foolish move to attempt to reduce or criminalize abortion without also improving infrastructure. And the same goes for pushing birth control better

I do agree. Put all the money we currently spend on abortion into those children, and future children who need help.

[Jibartik]

If some states are going to criminalize abortion than there absolutely should be some investment into adoption and fostering. Those states would need to find a way to encourage more people to adopt or foster, and by more people, I mean more of the right kind of people

That would require their empathy to be authentic, instead of them all being a bunch of amber heards.

They all spend more time trying to accuse the GOP of being hypocrites than ever once trying to solve that issue during the 40 years of abortion we've had.

The establishment is the worst, roby, why you love it so much?

[starkind]

Satan is coming people.

Get right with G-d and yourself. You won't be able to stop him. Not even by making abortion illegal. You will save no one this way.

[Jibartik]

And about brainwashing: Who the F is going to adopt a kid in a society that has fully embraced killing them until you have enough wealth to enjoy raising them while you're retired?

Pathetic society is collapsing and the people who have run the damn societal trends for the last 40 years (hipsters and lefties) are trying to argue to give them another 40, and more power.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Well pardon me if I believe in the American people more than you you do. I said these problems aren't uniquely American. But maybe I think America's unique position in recent history gives us the ability to essentially save the world and create the Harmonium, but instead, we are doing explicitly the reverse of that.

Oh I do believe in the American people. I am not sure why you think I don't.

I just don't believe in criticizing America for something as silly as "they couldn't end war and poverty single-handedly".

I am simply saying you need to be careful when trying to approach a problem like "solving all poverty". Nobody has ever done it, and generally speaking trying to do so makes things worse. I don't want America to collapse simply because we reached too far. Remember the story of Icarus.

Lets solve abortion first, which is much easier, and will set a good example for the rest of the world too!

[starkind]

Jehovahs probably right in the long runs.

[Homesteaded]

Well pardon me if I believe in the American people more than you you do. I said these problems aren't uniquely American. But maybe I think America's unique position in recent history gives us the ability to essentially save the world and create the Harmonium, but instead, we are doing explicitly the reverse of that.

Hypocrisy. Hates America but expects it to "save the world"

[Jibartik]

How can you solve poverty when the best solution to it you can come up with is aborting the majority of them?

smh

[starkind]

Oh I do believe in the American people. I am not sure why you think I don't.

I just don't believe in criticizing America for something as silly as "they couldn't end war and poverty single-handedly".

I am simply saying you need to be careful when trying to approach a problem like "solving all poverty". Nobody has ever done it, and generally speaking trying to do it makes things worse.

Lets solve abortion first, which is much easier, and will set a good example for the rest of the world too!

You're an idiot if you think outlawing abortion and devoting all your focus on it will save any life or stop any murderer.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You're an idiot if you think outlawing abortion and devoting all your focus on it will save any life or stop any murderer.

What? Nothing you said here makes any sense.

[starkind]

That's like saying let's make murder illegal. Still plenty of murder. Even more probably because now the wrong people are being murderered because you gotta stand around on your cellphone recording and not defend yourself until the police arrive.

Good job assholes.

[starkind]

What? Nothing you said here makes any sense.

That is because you worship Satan.

That's the TLDR.

[starkind]

How can you solve poverty when the best solution to it you can come up with is aborting the majority of them?

smh

That's a tru statement 100% agreed. Best argument for b&s i seen.

It won't be enough tho. Not in the face of the tyranny we all submitted to.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

That's like saying let's make murder illegal. Still plenty of murder. Even more probably because now the wrong people are being murderered because you gotta stand around on your cellphone recording and not defend yourself until the police arrive.

Good job assholes.

We make murder illegal because even though we know it won't stop it, we all agree it's bad. The point is to punish people who do it. This is a terrible analogy.

Making abortion illegal won't stop abortions. Everybody knows this. But it will vastly reduce the amount of people doing it now because of convenience. If abortion went as the leftists originally pitched ("safe, rare, and legal"), you wouldn't see doctors doing post-birth abortions. Obviously it has been pushed way too far.

[starkind]

Naw. I disagree.

[robayon]

I am simply saying you need to be careful when trying to approach a problem like "solving all poverty". Nobody has ever done it, and generally speaking trying to do so makes things worse. I don't want America to collapse simply because we reached too far. Remember the story of Icarus.

Lets solve abortion first, which is much easier, and will set a good example for the rest of the world too!I think you need to be careful when trying to approach a problem like "solve all abortion". Unless you're also willing to consider things like socialized healthcare, UBI, or the prison-industrial complex. Maybe you are. Great. I don't even believe in the idea of a federal government, but as long as it exists we should use it as the tool it can be.

I just don't think outlawing abortion will ever solve the "problem". It's way more complicated than just "dont kill babies". It's going to be a conveyor build that feeds the prison-industrial complex, at least if you can speak Republican as fluently as I can.

[robayon]

Hypocrisy. Hates America but expects it to "save the world"It's more a case of I can see its potential, but we're doing the wrong things with it

But feel free to deliberately absorb exactly the opposite message from my posts if you need to do so to prevent yourself from introspection

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think you need to be careful when trying to approach a problem like "solve all abortion". Unless you're also willing to consider things like socialized healthcare, UBI, or the prison-industrial complex. Maybe you are. Great. I don't even believe in the idea of a federal government, but as long as it exists we should use it as the tool it can be.

I just don't think outlawing abortion will ever solve the "problem". It's way more complicated than just "dont kill babies". It's going to be a conveyor build that feeds the prison-industrial complex, at least if you can speak Republican as fluently as I can.

Abortion is an easier problem to solve than healthcare or the prison system, because it is completely within the woman's control to begin with.

Socialized health care doesn't really work. The only reason why other countries can do it "successfully" is because they don't have to spend money on medical RnD or Millitary. Why? Because America is doing the RnD, and protecting them Militarily. If America got Nuked off of the face of the planet, socialized health care in most countries would collapse.

[robayon]

Hubris

[starkind]

Abortion is an easier problem to solve than healthcare or the prison system, because it is completely within the woman's control to begin with.

Socialized health care doesn't really work. The only reason why other countries can do it "successfully" is because they don't have to spend money on medical RnD or Millitary. Why? Because America is doing the RnD, and protecting them Militarily. If America got Nuked off of the face of the planet, socialized health care in most countries would collapse.

Healthcare is super simple. No more insurance companies. Or regulating medicine and drugs.. Ever. Gg.

No more drug patents either. We don't need new medications.

BP medicine for example is a panacea not a cure. Every pharmaceutical is pretty much a panacea for dumb shit we did or allowed done to us and our environment.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Healthcare is super simple. No more insurance companies. Or regulating medicine and drugs.. Ever. Gg.

No more drug patents either. We don't need new medications.

I completely agree insurance companies need to be reformed. But if just removing them was that simple, we would see other countries doing a better job of medial RnD. America is still the leader when it comes to medical advancement, as we give better incentives to companies to take risks and develop new medical advancements. When a government has a fixed pool of money for healthcare, you just don't have enough money to pay for RnD and pay for healthcare at the same time.

[starkind]

No one removes them because they control the country and are completely intermingled with the food corps and USDA aswell.

[starkind]

Humans wouldn't get sick if we where all of us G-dly.

Build the giant 10 commandments mechs.

Sound the Trumpet.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

No one removes them because they control the country and are completely intermingled with the food corps and USDA aswell.

Again, other countries don't have them, so we should see them doing much better in all areas of the medical industry. But we do not. They subsidize the healthcare simply because it is cheaper to buy medical advancements from America, and they can dump a lot of their military money back into healthcare because they assume America will assist them in a time of war.

[MrSparkle001]

Medical RnD is fueled by profit and without the profit it would stifle and regress.

Not that I agree that how it's done now is best but we are nowhere near advanced enough as a species to invest in medical RnD for humanitarian reasons. The pursuit of the almighty dollar fuels it all.

[Reiwa]

You're an idiot if you think outlawing abortion and devoting all your focus on it will save any life or stop any murderer.

CDC Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2019 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm)

Results: A total of 629,898 abortions for 2019 were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Medical RnD is fueled by profit and without the profit it would stifle and regress.

Not that I agree that how it's done now is best but we are nowhere near advanced enough as a species to invest in medical RnD for humanitarian reasons. The pursuit of the almighty dollar fuels it all.

Precisely.

[Reiwa]

There really isn't any argument against the child tax credit(or similar scheme) if abortion is no longer legal.

There already wasn't any, but now there really isn't.

[Jibartik]

I just don't think outlawing abortion will ever solve the "problem". It's way more complicated than just "dont kill babies".

So why do you think making it legal does?

It's simple if your argument is "it should be legal but we should culturally shun it" then why dont we culturally shun it since we made it illegal?

We consider abortion survivors to be victims that need empathy for christakes.

[robayon]

So why do you think making it legal does?

It's simple if your argument is "it should be legal but we should culturally shun it" then why dont we culturally shun it since we made it illegal?

We consider abortion survivors to be victims that need empathy for christakes.I don't think we should shun anyone, regardless of the status of abortion's legality. I don't know where you get that. I may find some aspects ethically questionable... but welcome to the far left. We're up to our eyeballs in unethical things no matter what the hell we do.

The only difference is that I actually talk to people I disagree with because there sure is a lot of misunderstanding out there

[starkind]

CDC Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2019 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm)

Don't we have better things to surveil? Granted that seems voluntary ish.

[Jibartik]

I don't think we should shun anyone, regardless of the status of abortion's legality. I don't know where you get that. I may find some aspects ethically questionable... but welcome to the far left. We're up to our eyeballs in unethical things no matter what the hell we do.

The only difference is that I actually talk to people I disagree with because there sure is a lot of misunderstanding out there

Oh the most rational argument for abortion is that it should be legal but we should not encourage it.

But if its make it legal and make people that get it feel special, then HARD PASS

there sure is a lot of misunderstanding out there

yes like hands and gums mean "alive"

[robayon]

Oh the most rational argument for abortion is that it should be legal but we should not encourage it.

But if its make it legal and make people that get it feel special, then HARD PASS



yes like hands and gums mean "alive"Have you spoken with someone who has had an abortion, or known them personally? I don't want to speak for the woman I know who has had one, but I feel like saying doing so made her feel special is wrong. It was not an easy decision, reportedly.

Love the sinner, hate the sin, after all

[starkind]

I'm totally cool with aborting myself if G-d could tell me for sure it would make the world a better place for everyone.

Unless you can be that selfless you are unworthy and unwilling to do what is necessary.

So far G-d says no suicide. Make Satan kill you. That could change tho.

[MrSparkle001]

Have you spoken with someone who has had an abortion, or known them personally? I don't want to speak for the woman I know who has had one, but I feel like saying doing so made her feel special is wrong. It was not an easy decision, reportedly.

Love the sinner, hate the sin, after all

I know someone who has and she regrets it every single day, and it was over 40 years ago.

It was a boy.

There are support groups for this for a reason. I don't know how anyone can go through it with a sense of relief for killing that little human being, but they do somehow, they do. Our species is all kinds of fucked up.

[robayon]

I know someone who has and she regrets it every single day, and it was over 40 years ago.

It was a boy.

There are support groups for this for a reason. I don't know how anyone can go through it with a sense of relief for killing that little human being, but they do somehow, they do. Our species is all kinds of fucked up.Well, I am sure there's a diversity of opinions. All I meant is that I do not think it makes most people feel "special" I would wager. Maybe some, but that's a whole different can of worms.

[Jibartik]

Have you spoken with someone who has had an abortion, or known them personally? I don't want to speak for the woman I know who has had one, but I feel like saying doing so made her feel special is wrong. It was not an easy decision, reportedly.

Love the sinner, hate the sin, after all

You absolutely do not have to convince me that having an abortion will make you feel worse, but that is not the way we culturally perceive it.

https://i.imgur.com/h8J4LkU.png

[Reiwa]

So far G-d says no suicide. Make Satan kill you. That could change tho.

Yep God says no suiciding. Even slowly poisoning yourself. He sees that. 👀

[Horza]

So why do you think making it legal does?

It's simple if your argument is "it should be legal but we should culturally shun it" then why dont we culturally shun it since we made it illegal?

We consider abortion survivors to be victims that need empathy for christakes.

Because this sort of prohibition and shaming has totally been a resounding success in the war on drugs, you stupid motherfucker.

[Rethalis]

Because this sort of prohibition and shaming has totally been a resounding success in the war on drugs, you stupid motherfucker.

Go live close to a druggie camp in any west coast city for a couple of years and see if your singing the same tune.

[unsunghero]

Yep God says no suiciding. Even slowly poisoning yourself. He sees that. ��

The reason you will see civilized society resist allowing citizens to kill themselves with drugs or just kill themselves in general is the assumption that they are not in their right state of mind when making that decision

It’s not the same state of mind someone would be in if they were deciding what kind of car to buy. With drugs their mind is twisted by the physical and mental dependence causing severe chemical changes in their brain, and with suicide there can be a possibility of depression or some other mental illness warping their thoughts

So it’s not like moral people will ever throw their hands up and be like “adults should be free to choose with their autonomy!” They should be free to choose when in a healthy state of mind. Just like we don’t legally accept contracts that someone signs when under duress or intoxicated

[robayon]

You absolutely do not have to convince me that having an abortion will make you feel worse, but that is not the way we culturally perceive it. You dodged my question.

And don't mistake the opinions of paid liberal journalists who have to crank out articles with the hopes it goes viral on twitter for the entire zeitgeist. I don't like the status quo any more than you seem to, but your own beliefs are proof that not everybody buys that kind of hogwash, even if it's absolutely true for whoever they interviewed. Real life is a mess. Every direction, all at once, for every reason.

[starkind]

Yep God says no suiciding. Even slowly poisoning yourself. He sees that. ��

Yep. :eek:

G-d also sees I'm doing the best I can every day to hallow myself - or others - ;)

what is the opposite of poisoning - that's my MO

cleansing, purifying
dignifying, elevating, ennobling, enshrining, glorifying, hallowing, magnifying, uplifting

clarifying, cleaning, clearing, distilling, purging
filtering
disinfecting, sanitizing, sterilizing

decontaminating, purifying

ameliorating, amending, bettering, enhancing, enriching, improving, meliorating, perfecting
clarifying, cleaning, cleansing, purifying, refining, restoring
respecting

[starkind]

The reason you will see civilized society resist allowing citizens to kill themselves with drugs or just kill themselves in general is the assumption that they are not in their right state of mind when making that decision

It’s not the same state of mind someone would be in if they were deciding what kind of car to buy. With drugs their mind is twisted by the physical and mental dependence causing severe chemical changes in their brain, and with suicide there can be a possibility of depression or some other mental illness warping their thoughts

So it’s not like moral people will ever throw their hands up and be like “adults should be free to choose with their autonomy!” They should be free to choose when in a healthy state of mind. Just like we don’t legally accept contracts that someone signs when under duress or intoxicated

https://i.imgur.com/xtZHvpU.gif

[Jibartik]

You dodged my question.

And don't mistake the opinions of paid liberal journalists who have to crank out articles with the hopes it goes viral on twitter for the entire zeitgeist. I don't like the status quo any more than you seem to, but your own beliefs are proof that not everybody buys that kind of hogwash, even if it's absolutely true for whoever they interviewed. Real life is a mess. Every direction, all at once, for every reason.

cuties on netflix.

[Kaveh]

The reason you will see civilized society resist allowing citizens to kill themselves with drugs or just kill themselves in general is the assumption that they are not in their right state of mind when making that decision

It’s not the same state of mind someone would be in if they were deciding what kind of car to buy. With drugs their mind is twisted by the physical and mental dependence causing severe chemical changes in their brain, and with suicide there can be a possibility of depression or some other mental illness warping their thoughts

So it’s not like moral people will ever throw their hands up and be like “adults should be free to choose with their autonomy!” They should be free to choose when in a healthy state of mind. Just like we don’t legally accept contracts that someone signs when under duress or intoxicated

I disagree man, we judge drug addicts and alcoholics but we do nothing to treat them. You can’t even hold a drug addict at a hospital against their will if they are alert and oriented and not professing suicidal ideation. It took years for me and my nephew (before he gave up) to get my brother in law into even some kind of treatment for prescription opioids. By that time he had lost everything

You literally have to sober up for 5 minutes and know your name, location, month, who the president is and say I’m not suicidal and they let you on your merry way to go hop behind the wheel with a handful of pills or whatever else, etc

We absolutely don’t care at all about addicts or the mentally ill in America

[Jibartik]

why would we spend money taking care of kids or single parents if they could have just gotten an abortion?

this may be the cause and effect you dont know.

I think most people who are pro life, are actually comfortable with spending on programs totake care of single parents and help with adoption, but instead of doing that the moral left will just set fire to the world if we made abortion illegal.

the mind of the people the folks despise are not quite as 1:1 to what you imagine. you mix up a lot of things and like, and libs think just because there IS an asshole republican (their father) that all republicans are assholes.

[starkind]

I disagree man, we judge drug addicts and alcoholics but we do nothing to treat them. You can’t even hold a drug addict at a hospital against their will if they are alert and oriented and not professing suicidal ideation. It took years for me and my nephew (before he gave up) to get my brother in law into even some kind of treatment for prescription opioids. By that time he had lost everything

You literally have to sober up for 5 minutes and know your name, location, month, who the president is and say I’m not suicidal and they let you on your merry way to go hop behind the wheel with a handful of pills or whatever else, etc

We absolutely don’t care at all about addicts or the mentally ill in America

https://i.imgur.com/xtZHvpU.gif

also yep

[robayon]

cuties on netflix.Don't be Ooloo, Jib. You're better than that. You can just say you haven't ever spoken with someone who has had an abortion, it doesn't change the validity of your opinion. I only asked because you seemed to be under the impression that most people who have had abortions celebrated them. Turn off the computer and tv and ask some meat people.

Netflix isn't the entirety of culture, either. That awful movie was controversial for a reason.

[Kaveh]

You absolutely do not have to convince me that having an abortion will make you feel worse, but that is not the way we culturally perceive it.

https://i.imgur.com/h8J4LkU.png

You realize they do this because you guys call them murderers 24/7 with little regard for their individual situation or how they came to their choice

Cmon man!

[Kaveh]

What if that person becomes a fantastic Christian mother of 3 eight years from now when in a better financial situation? What if 3 lives are blessed and one is cherished in heaven by God instead of being poor in California?

really makes u think

[starkind]

why would we spend money taking care of kids or single parents if they could have just gotten an abortion?

this may be the cause and effect you dont know.

because it's stealing to take money from a person who benifited from taking money from people thats why

https://i.imgur.com/wZ615rp.gif

[Jibartik]

no I think they do that because they want attention because they are women.

[Kaveh]

why would we spend money taking care of kids or single parents if they could have just gotten an abortion?

this may be the cause and effect you dont know.

I think most people who are pro life, are actually comfortable with spending on programs totake care of single parents and help with adoption, but instead of doing that the moral left will just set fire to the world if we made abortion illegal.

the mind of the people the folks despise are not quite as 1:1 to what you imagine. you mix up a lot of things and like, and libs think just because there IS an asshole republican (their father) that all republicans are assholes.

I’ve been a Republican most of my life (not anymore, being right about the border isn’t enough to be wrong about everything else, including trump bankrupting the US being a dumb ass) and I saved my brother in law. My nephew was also a Republican until now. /shrug

It’s not political. I don’t care about these artificial teams. Hands down we do not give a damn about drug addicts. We haven’t even stopped prescribing opioids in outpatient settings.

Look up how Portugal went from druggy shitholeistan to lowest drug abuse rates in the developed world. It’s polar opposite to how we handle everything. Mitt Romney / Portugal 2024

[toolshed]

why would we spend money taking care of kids or single parents if they could have just gotten an abortion?

this may be the cause and effect you dont know.

I think most people who are pro life, are actually comfortable with spending on programs totake care of single parents and help with adoption, but instead of doing that the moral left will just set fire to the world if we made abortion illegal.

the mind of the people the folks despise are not quite as 1:1 to what you imagine. you mix up a lot of things and like, and libs think just because there IS an asshole republican (their father) that all republicans are assholes.

you're pro-birth, not pro-life

[Jibartik]

you're pro-birth, not pro-life

Yes!

Because life now is pro death.

And when it’s pro birth, I’ll be pro life again.

Also thanks kevoh for being a shining example of the party flip I talk about.

[Kaveh]

Parties did flip I was Muslim but now y’all are taliban ouch

[unsunghero]

I disagree man, we judge drug addicts and alcoholics but we do nothing to treat them. You can’t even hold a drug addict at a hospital against their will if they are alert and oriented and not professing suicidal ideation. It took years for me and my nephew (before he gave up) to get my brother in law into even some kind of treatment for prescription opioids. By that time he had lost everything

You literally have to sober up for 5 minutes and know your name, location, month, who the president is and say I’m not suicidal and they let you on your merry way to go hop behind the wheel with a handful of pills or whatever else, etc

We absolutely don’t care at all about addicts or the mentally ill in America

No you are right. If someone wants to continue to use a drug until it kills them there is almost no way to stop it using the mental health system

This is why I have always been a proponent of forced involuntary drug treatment decided via “drug courts” (new programs some states have adopted). Drug courts basically give people two options: forced treatment in a rehab setting or jail/prison

This is also why the legal system is the only way to prevent or delay someone’s drug suicide. But then you’re putting them in a jail/prison setting which are terrible, so it all circles back to forced rehab being the best thing

“Why not just turn the other cheek? Someone can eat themselves to death whenever they want” In my opinion drugs like meth, heroin, alcohol are worse than food addiction because the chemical dependence in the brain is stronger and the physical withdrawal is infinitely worse (at least for alcohol and heroin)

[Skarne]

no I think they do that because they want attention because they are women.

Haha incel confirmed.

[robayon]

no I think they do that because they want attention because they are women.

[Kaveh]

Lol’d

[Rethalis]

No you are right. If someone wants to continue to use a drug until it kills them there is almost no way to stop it using the mental health system

This is why I have always been a proponent of forced involuntary drug treatment decided via “drug courts” (new programs some states have adopted). Drug courts basically give people two options: forced treatment in a rehab setting or jail/prison

This is also why the legal system is the only way to prevent or delay someone’s drug suicide. But then you’re putting them in a jail/prison setting which are terrible, so it all circles back to forced rehab being the best thing

“Why not just turn the other cheek? Someone can eat themselves to death whenever they want” In my opinion drugs like meth, heroin, alcohol are worse than food addiction because the chemical dependence in the brain is stronger and the physical withdrawal is infinitely worse (at least for alcohol and heroin)

Can confirm, I live in one of the west coast cities that are just crippled by drugs and alcohol. I volunteered for the better part of two years helping at risk people learn computers and build their resumes.

At the time there was a tiered system where the benefits and help came with the persons progress through the system. First step was getting clean, and basic hygiene services are available with clean clothes ect. Next was help getting a job and housing. All coupled with drug treatment programs and learning.

Never really made any connections outside the computer lab, but I do know not many people made it past that point as they went back to drugs. All the tools were there and available for them to integrate back into society. I have talked with the homeless about where they can go to get help, and then see the same person holding a different sign on the same corner at the same time different day.

What more can you do?

Its a terrible plague and affliction on the cities and individuals by all metrics.

[starkind]

I think drug rehab is nice and all.

We should devote more resources to helping the homeless and sick who are clean tho. Ppl do more for drug addicts this day and age than anyone else.

And that addiction is a choice and personality decision. The rehab should be there for people willing to work for it and make the right course. It shouldn't be there for the people who are just going to kill themselves anyway. We should let it run its course in a safish nicesh quick way where the damage these people cause is mitigated.


Maybe one day we will have the resources to save or areas put every addict in a good place.

Right now tho 99% of yall can't even run CPS right or care for wounded vets who ain't on drugs.

And yes pot alcohol and cigarettes a drug. All as bad as crack. They all create serious suffering. And no im not saying to ban them. Some like alcohol are necessary in measured uses for survival and food preservation and safe drinking when the pumps turn off. Shit like that.

Once you let yourself get to a certain point tho. Weight wise. Health wise. It's time to get read your rights or shown the down escalator. Told you have one slim chance. We aren't dumping a million dollars into a fraudulent rehab govpork fund for you tho.

If people lack integrity. It's unlikely they'll ever acquire it. We should stop exploiting them socially and economically tho. And it's time for them to literally meet G-d.

Drug addicts literally get way better treatment than rape victims or schizos or domestic violence victims here. Where I live. Because "its such a big problem " and it's super trendy to help perpetual druggos on welfare 20 years. And I honestly believe ppl get some cheap labor from them because that's all their cut out for. So there's a ton of grift in both the drug and rehab trades.

Policing too.

[starkind]

I mean you don't give an alcoholic with liver cirrhosis a liver transplant. It should be illegal to do it for them for any amount of money too. Even if you can print livers at 1% of the GDP as needed or whatever. Or funding it with youtu.be likes.. Give them palliative care and a Bible. And if they OD on Fentanyl. Because they are obese and haven't gotten laid in 25 years of welfare. Well. That was their choice.

Giving ppl fentanyl that will OD on it does taint your soul too. The government shouldn't waste their time chasing devil doctors tho. They should spend their time making the game fair and going after corruption and manipulators. Keeping any group person or institution from amassing too much power and control or domination and influence. Gotta keep throwing those rings of power into the volcano of mordor.

[Kaveh]

Can confirm, I live in one of the west coast cities that are just crippled by drugs and alcohol. I volunteered for the better part of two years helping at risk people learn computers and build their resumes.

At the time there was a tiered system where the benefits and help came with the persons progress through the system. First step was getting clean, and basic hygiene services are available with clean clothes ect. Next was help getting a job and housing. All coupled with drug treatment programs and learning.

Never really made any connections outside the computer lab, but I do know not many people made it past that point as they went back to drugs. All the tools were there and available for them to integrate back into society. I have talked with the homeless about where they can go to get help, and then see the same person holding a different sign on the same corner at the same time different day.

What more can you do?

Its a terrible plague and affliction on the cities and individuals by all metrics.

But there’s a reason why we’re worse at it than Portugal. Good on you for volunteering. Helping my brother in law for literally 4.5 years drove me nuts so I can’t imagine helping randos off the street. I couldn’t do it. I’d honestly use force (violence) and prevent them from doing drugs. So like I said, couldn’t do it

[Jibartik]

Haha incel confirmed.

If I say something to upset you and it does, that doesnt mean I am an incel.

But you're more clever and sexually active?

That is literally the persona of one.

[Skarne]

Says the crybaby who DMs me to delete a post because I hurt your feelings. Online persona huh? At least I’m not a misogynist I love the ladies.

You are an incel and don’t like women who enjoy complete freedom over their own bodies. Those that do are bitches to you. You’re a weak person and it’s painfully obvious. If your real life personality is as insufferable as your “online persona” I’m sure you’ve had your troubles with women in life.

Btw did you ever get around to reporting me on the forums? Is run to mommy your every day defense mechanism?

[Jibartik]

Idk what you're talking about, If you're talking about that time i said I removed the light trolling I was donig to you out of OT but then decided to delete it to keep our trolling isolated in threads here in OT, then PMd you to be like, hey I deleted my post lets not be fools and dirty up the other areas of the forums, can you delete yours so we dont make the server look bad?

And you were like, yeah sure thats a great idea! And you deleted that post.

and now you're going to be bipolar, and try to use that to upset me, personally? Like that seems pretty sad. But ok!

[Skarne]

If I say something to upset you and it does, that doesnt mean I am an incel.

But you're more clever and sexually active?

That is literally the persona of one.

You also frequently edit and delete posts which is further evidence you’re a gigantic bitch haha

[Jibartik]

Well one thing is for sure, I upset you, and you have the persona of an incel.

Take care!

EDIT: SORRY! those are two things!

[starkind]

Says the crybaby who DMs me to delete a post because I hurt your feelings. Online persona huh? At least I’m not a misogynist I love the ladies.

You are an incel and don’t like women who enjoy complete freedom over their own bodies. Those that do are bitches to you. You’re a weak person and it’s painfully obvious. If your real life personality is as insufferable as your “online persona” I’m sure you’ve had your troubles with women in life.

Btw did you ever get around to reporting me on the forums? Is run to mommy your every day defense mechanism?

Woa a big poast from skarnes. GJ Jib.

Not saying skarnes is a pussy or anything ill read later. You just never really go into that level of detail. Either you care about jib or they struck a nerve or a little of both.

Nice shade tho.

[Skarne]

Well one thing is for sure, I upset you, and you have the persona of an incel.

Take care!

Haha whatever you gotta tell yourself to feel better. Goodnight and keep your head up there’s somebody out there for everyone!

[Skarne]

Woa a big poast from skarnes. GJ Jib.

Not saying skarnes is a pussy or anything ill read later. You just never really go into that level of detail. Either you care about jib or they struck a nerve or a little of both.

Nice shade tho.

Lol thanks I’m doing my part!

[Tethler]

Welcome to the Off-Topic elf forum, where we have different hobbies than you

Welcome to off-topic? Please, son, I was knee deep in this shit-show years before you created your account. That's how I know what a waste of time this all is.

[Skarne]

https://youtu.be/ZDzs0gY1cTA

[Reiwa]

https://youtu.be/ZDzs0gY1cTA

What does pro-life restrict women from doing? Give us your take, caller.

[robayon]

Welcome to off-topic? Please, son, I was knee deep in this shit-show years before you created your account. That's how I know what a waste of time this all is.I first registered for the internet in the year 2021, that's how forums definitely work, thanks for gatekeeping this little corner of the internet, I'm sure you'll convince a lot of people, I didn't know this was a waste of time until you showed me the wisdom

[Tethler]

I first registered for the internet in the year 2021, that's how forums definitely work, thanks for gatekeeping this little corner of the internet, I'm sure you'll convince a lot of people, I didn't know this was a waste of time until you showed me the wisdom

You're welcome. Hope this helped.

[Nocht]

And just like that all of the lefties suddenly are experts on Biology. They can't define what a woman is, but they can tell the difference between a "clump of cells" and a "baby"

HONK HONK
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Stay triggered leftos

[Trexller]

why don't we care about drug addicts in America?

I'm really surprised that none of you have brought up the fact that the addicted, the homeless, and the generally lost people exist in the state that they are because no "industrial complex" has figured out a way to monetize their suffering.

HIV? totally treatable for big bucks
Clinical Depression? totally treatable for big bucks
Dick don't work? totally treatable for big bucks

all 3 of those things are entirely different fields of industry unto themselves, yet are all problems that human beings specifically face.

Why can we fix them? because someone can make money doing it.

There is no money in treating addiction or helping the homeless. or rather, no one has yet figured out how to turn a profit by fixing those problems.

If you wanna figure out the reason behind 99% of anything humanity faces, you will find the answer after you ask 1 question: Who is making money from it?

/thread

[Tethler]

why don't we care about drug addicts in America?

I'm really surprised that none of you have brought up the fact that the addicted, the homeless, and the generally lost people exist in the state that they are because no "industrial complex" has figured out a way to monetize their suffering.

HIV? totally treatable for big bucks
Clinical Depression? totally treatable for big bucks
Dick don't work? totally treatable for big bucks

all 3 of those things are entirely different fields of industry unto themselves, yet are all problems that human beings specifically face.

Why can we fix them? because someone can make money doing it.

There is no money in treating addiction or helping the homeless. or rather, no one has yet figured out how to turn a profit by fixing those problems.

If you wanna figure out the reason behind 99% of anything humanity faces, you will find the answer after you ask 1 question: Who is making money from it?

/thread

Fixing homelessness is hard, so they just criminalize it and then profit off of prison labor.

[Horza]

why don't we care about drug addicts in America?

I'm really surprised that none of you have brought up the fact that the addicted, the homeless, and the generally lost people exist in the state that they are because no "industrial complex" has figured out a way to monetize their suffering.

HIV? totally treatable for big bucks
Clinical Depression? totally treatable for big bucks
Dick don't work? totally treatable for big bucks

all 3 of those things are entirely different fields of industry unto themselves, yet are all problems that human beings specifically face.

Why can we fix them? because someone can make money doing it.

There is no money in treating addiction or helping the homeless. or rather, no one has yet figured out how to turn a profit by fixing those problems.

If you wanna figure out the reason behind 99% of anything humanity faces, you will find the answer after you ask 1 question: Who is making money from it?

/thread

Don't let something like the existence of a thirty billion dollar rehab industry distract you from your paranoid ranting.

[starkind]

And just like that all of the lefties suddenly are experts on Biology. They can't define what a woman is, but they can tell the difference between a "clump of cells" and a "baby"

HONK HONK
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Stay triggered leftos

Nocht however you

NEGLECTED

2 mention

that Roe V Wade was like January 22, 1973

Roe vs. Wade was decided with a 7-2 vote, and not along partisan lines. Those who ruled in favor were as follows, with the president who nominated them and the party of that president indicated in parentheses:


Harry Blackmun (Nixon, R)
Lewis Powell (Nixon, R)
Warren Burger (Nixon, R)
William Brennan (Eisenhower, R)
Potter Stewart (Eisenhower, R)
Thurgood Marshall (LBJ, D)
William Douglas (FDR, D)

Those who dissented on Roe vs. Wade:

Byron White (Kennedy, D)
William Rehnquist (Nixon, R)

So uhm

maybe don't be a dumb partisan fire agate?

Hope this also halps :D ❤️🙏

[starkind]

So a bit of advice - you can't resolve this issue among 7billion people or 600 million.

you can resolve it for yourself tho.

That will be my final post here on this in this thread!!! (again for real this time!) - I may post this same advice again in another thread.

HOPE THIS HELPS 🙏

[robayon]

You're welcome. Hope this helped.Incredible forums badass, I will make sure to run every post I conceive of by you first since you're such a veteran poster lmao

[MrSparkle001]

Fixing homelessness is hard, so they just criminalize it and then profit off of prison labor.

Fixing homelessness often means fixing mental illness, and since there's no money to be made fixing the homeless population's mental illness nobody will do it.

[Reiwa]

Nocht however you

NEGLECTED

2 mention

that Roe V Wade was like January 22, 1973

Roe vs. Wade was decided with a 7-2 vote, and not along partisan lines. Those who ruled in favor were as follows, with the president who nominated them and the party of that president indicated in parentheses:


Harry Blackmun (Nixon, R)
Lewis Powell (Nixon, R)
Warren Burger (Nixon, R)
William Brennan (Eisenhower, R)
Potter Stewart (Eisenhower, R)
Thurgood Marshall (LBJ, D)
William Douglas (FDR, D)

Those who dissented on Roe vs. Wade:

Byron White (Kennedy, D)
William Rehnquist (Nixon, R)

So uhm

maybe don't be a dumb partisan fire agate?

Hope this also halps :D ❤️🙏

4hRobcOmqa4

[Elizondo]

And just like that, Lefties discovered basic biology again and kicked the trans folks to the curb

[Tethler]

Incredible forums badass, I will make sure to run every post I conceive of by you first since you're such a veteran poster lmao

I accept your surrender.

Jokes aside, feel free to keep wasting your life for another 45 pages while nobody here convinces anyone else of anything. 👍

[Jibartik]

Were not here to convince anything, were here to tell off our dads! Say things online, we'd never say to his face.

The god damn son of a bitch boomer ruined this country!

[robayon]

I accept your surrender.

Jokes aside, feel free to keep wasting your life for another 45 pages while nobody here convinces anyone else of anything. 👍here ya go: www.reddit.com

[bomaroast]

Says the crybaby who DMs me to delete a post because I hurt your feelings. Online persona huh? At least I’m not a misogynist I love the ladies.

You are an incel....

This shit is so weak. Any man says anything.. he's an incel... It's rampant, weak shit

[Skarne]

This shit is so weak. Any man says anything.. he's an incel... It's rampant, weak shit

you're right incels are rampant on these forums.

so are "groomers" apparently.

[bomaroast]

It's evidence of the sad state of affairs in American discourse. No authenticity, just parroting dumb memes

[Horza]

you're right incels are rampant on these forums.

so are "groomers" apparently.

Groomers is just what they call anyone who didn't vote for the guy who flew on Epstein's plane ten or more times.

[unsunghero]

It's evidence of the sad state of affairs in American discourse. No authenticity, just parroting dumb memes

[Kaveh]

you're right incels are rampant on these forums.

so are "groomers" apparently.

Is it possible to be a groomer and an incel? I think that would explain Madison cawthorn

[Elizondo]

Groomers is just what they call anyone who didn't vote for the guy who flew on Epstein's plane ten or more times.

Ok Groomer

btw have you denounced pedophilia yet as horrible and evil?

[Horza]

Ok Groomer

btw have you denounced pedophilia yet as horrible and evil?

What are you expecting me to apologize for? Unlike you retards, I never loudly supported Epstein's BFF.

[Elizondo]

What are you expecting me to apologize for? Unlike you retards, I never loudly supported Epstein's BFF.

btw have you denounced pedophilia yet as horrible and evil?

[Jibartik]

Is it possible to be a groomer and an incel?

https://i.imgur.com/USq8sxg.png

[Jibartik]

What are you expecting me to apologize for? Unlike you retards, I never loudly supported Epstein's BFF.

I honestly dont think you have ever supported anything?

edit no wait: (except for suicide encouragement and the abolition of jews)

[starkind]

Teleporting pope is the best pope.

[Kaveh]

https://i.imgur.com/USq8sxg.png

Well this was a good post, I lol’d

[Tethler]

https://i.imgur.com/USq8sxg.png

lmao

[Reiwa]

OFFENDED

[Grumph]

17682

[MrSparkle001]

https://i.imgur.com/USq8sxg.png

That's not involuntary though.

[Kaveh]

^oh come on that was jib’s best post don’t be pedantic

[Jibartik]

Kevoh im extremely funny you just need to stop being so easily triggered.

but I appreciate the caddy female talking to another female at the workplace styled backhanded complement.

[Kaveh]

I genuinely laughed at that post dude

[Trexller]

What are you expecting me to apologize for? Unlike you retards, I never loudly supported Epstein's BFF.

I condemn pedophilia and all forms of child abuse.

Horza, without changing the subject, as we aren't talking about epstein, clinton, or trump, please explain why you vehemently refuse to publicly condemn pedophilia?

We are addressing YOU specifically, Horza. Not a politician, not another forum poster, You Horza, You.

We have been asking you for months now.

It's real simple, even an intellect such as yours will understand the concept.

So, why do you refuse to publicly condemn pedophilia?

this isn't some controversial gray-area issue with all manners of facets to be considered. If you aren't against it, then you support it.

Without further information, Horza is to be considered -at minimum- a pedophilia supporter, until he publicly condemns child sex abuse.

[Kaveh]

We do innocent until proven guilty in America, no?

Let’s not bring back witch trials. Horza needs a thesaurus for horse and paste alternatives, but he probably isn’t a pedophile. Equine …. I really don’t know another word for paste. Phone a friend?

[Trexller]

We do innocent until proven guilty in America, no?

Let’s not bring back witch trials. Horza needs a thesaurus for horse and paste alternatives, but he probably isn’t a pedophile. Equine …. I really don’t know another word for paste. Phone a friend?

that guy supports every alt-left idea about grooming children and has refused to condemn child abuse for 3+ months

thats all the proof anyone should need to put him up against the bulkhead

this is basic Lone Star State stuff.

Kaveh, speaking as a former Texan, you're pretty bad at being a Texan.

don't trespass on my property at night.

[Skarne]

“Haha what a bad ass warning. Super clever signature too. People do have issues remembering the differences between words and bullets! A quote way ahead of its time, I wonder who wrote it?” Skarne 2022

[Tethler]

here ya go: www.reddit.com

???

Why would I want to go there?

[robayon]

???

Why would I want to go there?it's full of pedantic nerds, you'll love it

[MrSparkle001]

???

Why would I want to go there?

It's better than Imgur. It's a liberal cesspool.

https://i.imgur.com/aIeccqD.gif

[robayon]

“Haha what a bad ass warning. Super clever signature too. People do have issues remembering the differences between words and bullets! A quote way ahead of its time, I wonder who wrote it?” Skarne 2022i love trexller's super cool self quote it reminds me of something someone might write in a friend's yearbook in the tenth grade

[Kaveh]

that guy supports every alt-left idea about grooming children and has refused to condemn child abuse for 3+ months

thats all the proof anyone should need to put him up against the bulkhead

this is basic Lone Star State stuff.

Kaveh, speaking as a former Texan, you're pretty bad at being a Texan.

don't trespass on my property at night.

He doesn’t have to answer to any of you guys lol

Cmon man!

[robayon]

He doesn’t have to answer to any of you guys lol

Cmon man!what he means by his 'property' is the ford focus he parks at his mom's place don't worry about him

edit: how foolish of me, he's a veteran. it's clearly a camaro

[Jibartik]

The front page of Reddit has 105 up voted post with a 96% upvote rate that says that because something is small it’s not alive.

I don’t care if you get an abortion or not what bothers me is how stupid you people are how religious you’ve made this belief of yours that because something is tiny or because it needs its mother to take care of it it’s not alive.

The genetic code of a fertilized egg is identical to the genetic code of you when you die as an old person.

It’s so frustrating trying to listen to the establishment tell me that they’re smarter than I am just like they did in the 1990s when you were trying to tell me that Jesus was real.

[Horza]

I condemn pedophilia and all forms of child abuse.

Horza, without changing the subject, as we aren't talking about epstein, clinton, or trump, please explain why you vehemently refuse to publicly condemn pedophilia?

We are addressing YOU specifically, Horza. Not a politician, not another forum poster, You Horza, You.

We have been asking you for months now.

It's real simple, even an intellect such as yours will understand the concept.

So, why do you refuse to publicly condemn pedophilia?

this isn't some controversial gray-area issue with all manners of facets to be considered. If you aren't against it, then you support it.

Without further information, Horza is to be considered -at minimum- a pedophilia supporter, until he publicly condemns child sex abuse.

Imagine getting yourself this worked up just because some reality television grifter lost an election.

[MrSparkle001]

There are only one or two people in this thread getting all worked up, and hint: one of them isn't Trexller.

[robayon]

Imagine getting yourself this worked up just because some reality television grifter lost an election.good old trexller just telling on himself and then screeching some juvenile violent fantasy when he's ignored

[Trexller]

Imagine getting yourself this worked up just because some reality television grifter lost an election.



if not for deflection, you would never have an opportunity to post.

I give you life.