when will staff unroot the dragons?

[unroot]

rooted dragons has been a failure of a concept

vulak is no longer a competitive mob

inner ring clears are just a leapfrog contest

when will staff come to senses?

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/uE0Pzjd.gif

[Croco]

probably never, box owners are checked out, one is raiding plane of time on aradune the other is making sure all the appropriate vendors are selling grapes

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/4zZlA7C.gif

[Tunabros]

UNROOT THE DRAGONS!

[Ripqozko]

UNROOT THE DRAGONS!

Sorry your app got denied, consider yellow.

Malding/cope

[Tunabros]

Sorry your app got denied, consider yellow.

Malding/cope

?

why are you beefing with me

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/w9spiIE.gif

[unroot]

probably never, box owners are checked out, one is raiding plane of time on aradune the other is making sure all the appropriate vendors are selling grapes

one thing most players can agree upon is how broken tov is

that seems to be an anomaly and staff just doesn't care

[Azure Ogre]

They might think about actually doing it if people came up with a better solution other than going back to the old meta of training everything to the entrance.

[pogs4ever]

Random roll meta for all dragons and be done with it.

[Old_PVP]

probably never, box owners are checked out, one is raiding plane of time on aradune the other is making sure all the appropriate vendors are selling grapes

ROFL :D

[unroot]

They might think about actually doing it if people came up with a better solution other than going back to the old meta of training everything to the entrance.

a) trains are trained to hub not entrance... now we just have trains in north or still in hub during doze engages

b) why are trains like this a problem

[Naethyn]

Vulak ring, ancient spells, and artifacts fixes everything.

[Rager and Quitter]

As someone who doesn't raid I hope whatever you don't like about it stays broken or whatever because its entertaining watching the autistic obsessors constantly whine about stuff. You can all script and box and cheat and whatever else. People seem to enjoy that!

[Jibartik]

hell yea

[unroot]

As someone who doesn't raid I hope whatever you don't like about it stays broken or whatever because its entertaining watching the autistic obsessors constantly whine about stuff. You can all script and box and cheat and whatever else. People seem to enjoy that!

whining about whining

look in the mirror and pick up some heavy objects loser

[Jimjam]

Dragons are cleared in their lairs, lots of trash dies. Several guilds can compete / not leave empty handed.

It’s the best system so far.

[unroot]

Dragons are cleared in their lairs, lots of trash dies. Several guilds can compete / not leave empty handed.

It’s the best system so far.

you say this when vulak hasn't been competitive for the last 3 years

and it's not several guilds

the only guilds that kill ntov dragons during cycles (not quakes) are Vanq/Riot and then Kittens when multiple dragons have popped at the same time ... which only really happens on cycles after quakes

on quakes it's still those 3 guilds the vast majority of the time killing dragons in ntov

your argument is trash, this meta is the least competitive it has ever been and the distribution of mobs is the most jaded ever

[branamil]

probably never, box owners are checked out, one is raiding plane of time on aradune the other is making sure all the appropriate vendors are selling grapes

Massive unclassic and anticompetitive changes: doesn't look like anything to me

A vendor at the bottom of runneye that has been interacted with 11 times in 20 years isn't selling muffins: 🛑🚫🚨🚫🛑🚫🚨 RED ALERT!!! 🚨 🛑🚫🚨🚫🛑🚨

[Scalem]

Another tunaloser alt forum account, newsflash dragons never getting unrooted hope this helps

[Naethyn]

Dragons are cleared in their lairs, lots of trash dies. Several guilds can compete / not leave empty handed.

It’s the best system so far.

The only system so far that I have seen that hasn't lead to the collapse of every competitive raiding entity after 6 months.

The fact is bags keep competition alive. Rooted dragons are way more fun because having a player get BIS without ever leaving the entrance of tov is dumb. Everyone gets to see the zone now and its far more blood pumping when the ntov competition is happening. When bags were moved to 1/4 it made less competition, because sure the 2nd raid entity is going to show up in force when they have some uncontested mobs to kill.

The real reason the top guild doesn't like this is because they can't lord over every pixel as every previous top guild has been able to do in server history by this point in the meta timeline. People have been saying it for years and quakes solve everything. Quakes are competition. The rest is just staring at walls the hardest.

Also, since its first in force for kael we should be using coth, because now its just a more obfuscated race that can still be cheated on.

[unroot]

The only system so far that I have seen that hasn't lead to the collapse of every competitive raiding entity after 6 months.

The fact is bags keep competition alive. Rooted dragons are way more fun because having a player get BIS without ever leaving the entrance of tov is dumb. Everyone gets to see the zone now and its far more blood pumping when the ntov competition is happening. When bags were moved to 1/4 it made less competition, because sure the 2nd raid entity is going to show up in force when they have some uncontested mobs to kill.

The real reason the top guild doesn't like this is because they can't lord over every pixel as every previous top guild has been able to do in server history by this point in the meta timeline. People have been saying it for years and quakes solve everything. Quakes are competition. The rest is just staring at walls the hardest.

Also, since its first in force for kael we should be using coth, because now its just a more obfuscated race that can still be cheated on.

brain dead argument

unrooted dragons led to every vulak killing being a coinflip on who gets to kill it, regardless of fte

can you name one instance in unrooted era where only one guild killed vulak for a month in a row when another eligible raid force wasn't just straight up raid banned (like awakaned)

this new system is clearly so fucked that in order to not have guilds lord over vulak kills GMs needed to step in and come up with an arbitrary system to gift vulak to the #2 guild for free

[Naethyn]

read: I have to give up the next vulak because of bag limits and instead of seeing that this actually fosters competition during quakes, I blame rooted dragons instead of realizing that a coinflip coth race where people get best in slot gear without ever leaving the entrance leads to the worst type of toxicity this server has ever seen, because in that meta only the pullers matter, and they shit on everyone else. The game is harder and better actually going *into* the dungeon.

[unroot]

read: I have to give up the next vulak because of bag limits and instead of seeing that this actually fosters competition during quakes, I blame rooted dragons instead of realizing that a coinflip coth race where people get best in slot gear without ever leaving the entrance leads to the worst type of toxicity this server has ever seen, because in that meta only the pullers matter, and they shit on everyone else. The game is harder and better actually going *into* the dungeon.

what you fail to comprehend is that unrooted dragons leads to the #1 guild i.e. vanquish, getting less vulaks

you won't even engage with that because you know it's true

[Lammy]

Keep em rooted if you want. A little dungeon crawl never hurt anyone. But maybe they could give us lockouts back? There are normal people that would appreciate an opportunity to enjoy this content in lower (as intended) raid force numbers. Warm body zerging has gone on long enough.

[Rang]

I think one improvement would be to lengthen the respawn time of trash mobs in ntov to 8 hours like planes so it would actually make more sense to clear than just train stuff around

[Rager and Quitter]

whining about whining

look in the mirror and pick up some heavy objects loser

Picked up your mom last night, but that's probably way heavier than you were thinking.

[Naethyn]

what you fail to comprehend is that unrooted dragons leads to the #1 guild i.e. vanquish, getting less vulaks

you won't even engage with that because you know it's true

It's easy to write off vulak as not competitive, but the fact is every quake has been competitive, because it's not just about vulak. The 2nd tier entity goes for Takish, because plane of growth is one of the top tier competitive mobs on the server today.

Let me make it more clear. The four most important mobs on the server:

KT, Vulak, Doze, and Takish (tunare):


KT is first and it can go either way.
Next is Doze, because Vulak has blocking mobs that must be killed first.
The raid entity going for Vulak essentially gets a bonus Doze, because of the blocking mbos for vulak.
The competition on the server is going for the next most competitive raid target - Takish so they can kill Tunare.
Because of the NToV mobs that must be killed and the amount of time it takes to kill these and do Vulak, the next competitive guild is going to go for every other target outside of the mobs involved with shortening the time it takes the top tier entity to kill Vulak.
Competition thrives.

All while the top guild proclaims themselves without competition, because they realize they are getting a fraction of the total "game wide" pixels available, when competition actually exists. News flash, every meta ends without competition, and this is the only meta that has gotten this far with the above still occuring, and its 100% because of the bagged mobs that make the above 6 steps not have to happen every single week by changing up the competitive approach outlined above. If KT was added to a bagged list you'd see even more variance. (fun)

[unroot]

It's easy to write off vulak as not competitive, but the fact is every quake has been competitive, because it's not just about vulak. The 2nd tier entity goes for Takish, because plane of growth is one of the top tier competitive mobs on the server today.

Let me make it more clear. The four most important mobs on the server:

KT, Vulak, Doze, and Takish (tunare):


KT is first and it can go either way.
Next is Doze, because Vulak has blocking mobs that must be killed first.
The raid entity going for Vulak essentially gets a bonus Doze, because of the blocking mbos for vulak.
The competition on the server is going for the next most competitive raid target - Takish so they can kill Tunare.
Because of the NToV mobs that must be killed and the amount of time it takes to kill these and do Vulak, the next competitive guild is going to go for every other target outside of the mobs involved with shortening the time it takes the top tier entity to kill Vulak.
Competition thrives.

All while the top guild proclaims themselves without competition, because they realize they are getting a fraction of the total "game wide" pixels available, when competition actually exists. News flash, every meta ends without competition, and this is the only meta that has gotten this far with the above still occuring, and its 100% because of the bagged mobs that make the above 6 steps not have to happen every single week by changing up the competitive approach outlined above. If KT was added to a bagged list you'd see even more variance. (fun)

saying Velious is not about vulak is like saying pof is not about CT or VP is not about PD/hosh (from a high end raiding pov)

everyone who has raided on this server post warders understands that vulak is by far and away the most coveted mob

most coveted mob = mob that matters the most

you can do all the circular logic you want to try to refute that but his loot table is what it is

keep dodging the fact that in an unrooted era of tov vulak would be more evenly split than it has ever been in rooted era

[Naethyn]

Vulak is the most important mob on the server. Vulak is the mob that crowns the top raid entity as supreme. The difference is Vulak requires the killing of half a dozen other dragons, trash, flurries, and then vulak himself. Because of this, KT is the first mob killed on the server, and the above steps I described are accurate.

Anyways, since when is competition about two raid entities sitting on top of each other trying to blame each other for trains and misplays. Its in everyone's best interest that the two stay as far away from each other as possible. All while being extremely competitive for the quake as a whole.

I find it dishonest to proclaim the server "without competition" based purely on who kills the most important mob on the server (vulak), all while ignoring the actual competitive meta that takes place on a quake. Not to mention blaming bags for anything, when it is the only mechanic we have to change the priority list that keeps this competition alive.

[Balimon]

saying Velious is not about vulak is like saying pof is not about CT or VP is not about PD/hosh (from a high end raiding pov)

everyone who has raided on this server post warders understands that vulak is by far and away the most coveted mob

most coveted mob = mob that matters the most

you can do all the circular logic you want to try to refute that but his loot table is what it is

keep dodging the fact that in an unrooted era of tov vulak would be more evenly split than it has ever been in rooted era

I can't figure out which guild you are in on Blue, but I agree that Vulak is the most coveted mob. But your logic is flawed, the amount of Vulak kills between two guilds doesn't equate to some ethereal balance in the raid force that only you can see. Even if this was true, I'd like to see some evidence. Post some numbers, with timelines, let's see graphs and data.

All I see is an angry nerd who either doesn't get enough Vulak or feels entitled to more Vulaks. What item are you chasing? C'mon man Naethyn has very succinctly spelled out how rooted dragons lead to more competition by tying up whoever is going for Vulak in NToV killing the blockers.

TLDR: Absolutely no evidence of a more balenced era, Vulak kills do not somehow determine equality in the raid scene.

[unroot]

I'm tofat ... I forgot my other forum account info so here we are. Anyway...

Vanquish vulak logs from this year

4/18 vulak kill
4/17 vulak kill
4/14 vulak kill
4/10 vulak kill
4/8 vulak kill
3/26 vulak kill
3/19 vulak kill
3/13 vulak kill
3/5 vulak kill
2/27 vulak kill
2/19 vulak kill
2/16 vulak kill
2/13 vulak kill
2/6 vulak kill
2/3 vulak kill
1/27 vulak kill
1/2 vulak kill

There isn't a single attempt or responder vulak log because we have killed every natural or quake spawning vulak that we weren't bagged on our had to concede b/c of prior petitions

The "quake is competitive" mantra is also a farce but we can look at that data as well... first tho lets state the obvious yes Riot kills mobs on quake but it's a quake so you are literally obligated to kill targets. Let's take a look at what happened on the start of the last four quakes that happened this April:

4/17 Quake (bagged on Doze)

- KT
- Dain
- Yeli
- Statue
- AoW

4/16 Quake

- KT
- Doze
- Statue
- AoW
- PD

4/13 Quake

- KT
- Doze
- Gore
- Hosh
- PD (attempt)

4/8 Quake

- KT
- Doze
- Statue
- AoW
- Hosh

Yes, there is obviously *more* competition on quakes but just take a look at that list and our vulak kills and tell me that competition is at a good place on this server.

Stigion -- a gm on this server -- made a post in blue general that I can't find because I'm banned in there and I can't be fucked to look for the screenshot of it posted in our discord that literally stated Riot barely competes with Vanquish anymore.

If you don't think vulak is a good arbiter of how competitive a server is than answer me this, how come no one tries to even compete on vulak anymore?

[Naethyn]

Yes, there is obviously *more* competition on quakes but just take a look at that list and our vulak kills and tell me that competition is at a good place on this server.

[unroot]

so your point is that if guilds kill jorls and zlexaks on quakes competition is in a good place? is that your argument?

how come you didn't want to answer my question or engage with it?

why don't any guilds compete on vulak?

[Detoxx]

It quite amusing to see Riot fuck off to Growth every quake. We take bets as to when they will give up and go to Growth. Usually its after an embarrassing snipe or wipe.

BTW that doesnt count as a "competitive" Takish. The fact that we cant get Tunares because we get Vulaks does not mean that Riot is winning Tunare.

[Gustoo]

No one competes on vulak because its easier to join the winning team than to create an alternative.

[mycoolrausch]

Everquest doesn't really work as an esport because losing means you didn't even get to play the game. So it's no surprise the people who take everquest the most seriously all join the same guild so they never have to lose and be denied playing it.

It's weird to think a fantasy elf adventure game makes a poor esport

[unroot]

no one competes on rooted vulak because it's a complicated strategy

everyone competed on unrooted vulak because it's a simple strategy

wtf are these narratives about esports

[mycoolrausch]

no one competes on rooted vulak because it's a complicated strategy

everyone competed on unrooted vulak because it's a simple strategy

wtf are these narratives about esports

i dont think unrooted dragons would change much competition like it's 2016 again. 2016 guilds were happy to settle for certain mobs because that's what they were used to and the server was still developing, people were still leveling.

now people have beaten the base eq and they want every single raid mob in the game every single time it spawns. what splinter FTE pros are gonna form a small guild to go for vulak vs vanquish when it would mean giving up a 3am velk? imagine missing a single silver sword

[unroot]

i dont think unrooted dragons would change much competition like it's 2016 again. 2016 guilds were happy to settle for certain mobs because that's what they were used to and the server was still developing, people were still leveling.

now people have beaten the base eq and they want every single raid mob in the game every single time it spawns. what splinter FTE pros are gonna form a small guild to go for vulak vs vanquish when it would mean giving up a 3am velk? imagine missing a single silver sword

it's about having the top #2 or top #3 guild compete on vulak

no one expects aegis to go for vulak but the point is that Riot doesn't even show up to compete on the mob

that would never happen in unrooted meta

[Swish]

You know what would solve all the dragon problems? More rules.

[Naethyn]

BTW that doesnt count as a "competitive" Takish. The fact that we cant get Tunares because we get Vulaks does not mean that Riot is winning Tunare.

Remember early velious and you lost every vulak to rampage and you proclaimed it didn’t happen because you weren’t there to compete? That’s where this type of thinking originates. Your statement is inherently clear that the completion does exist, because you can’t get a Tunare because you get vulaks.

[unroot]

Remember early velious and you lost every vulak to rampage and you proclaimed it didn’t happen because you weren’t there to compete? That’s where this type of thinking originates. Your statement is inherently clear that the completion does exist, because you can’t get a Tunare because you get vulaks.

even gms can see past the copium you inhale on a daily basis

https://imgur.com/a/GTusITH

it's actually insane you can't acknowledge that the servers competition is in a bad place

[Arvan]

you say this when vulak hasn't been competitive for the last 3 years

and it's not several guilds

the only guilds that kill ntov dragons during cycles (not quakes) are Vanq/Riot and then Kittens when multiple dragons have popped at the same time ... which only really happens on cycles after quakes

on quakes it's still those 3 guilds the vast majority of the time killing dragons in ntov

your argument is trash, this meta is the least competitive it has ever been and the distribution of mobs is the most jaded ever

Cool go join the roster in a smaller guild then. Vanq brings what 120 people to kill stuff? Have 50 go disperse into other guilds if you want more competition on blue. Zerg harder if you want less.

[Rager and Quitter]

Cool go join the roster in a smaller guild then. Vanq brings what 120 people to kill stuff? Have 50 go disperse into other guilds if you want more competition on blue. Zerg harder if you want less.

Damn, that many? Whats the challenge? To see who of the 20 clerics can CH the fastest? Also, I can only imagine the frenzy of that many people for just a handful of items. Maybe that's why Vanquish hates their own guild members, they see them as standing in the way of their pixels.

[Jimjam]

Damn, that many? Whats the challenge? To see who of the 20 clerics can CH the fastest? Also, I can only imagine the frenzy of that many people for just a handful of items. Maybe that's why Vanquish hates their own guild members, they see them as standing in the way of their pixels.

Too much competition during dkp bidding?

[Clearmind]

they will eventually everything comes full circle

[Clearmind]

they should spawn with a random chance to root for lolz

[unroot]

ah yes, the "why don't you compete against yourself argument" really solid stuff guys

quick history lesson

we started as a guild named <Freedom> with 30 active members

we teamed with <AG> for a bunch of mobs

<Riot> at this team fielded ~130+ for every major target killed

our 30 man guild started to win vulaks since we were able to form alliances

because, as you know, it's impossible to kill rooted vulak with a raid force under 60 members in a competitive setting given the trains and kite meta

we literally did what you drooling retards are talking about

we beat <Riot> that was fielding the zerg at the time with our 30 man guild, inb4 "you teamed with ag"

now here's the kicker <Riot> fielded 100 people for their last AoW attempt ... 100 people!

so what is the reason that guild can't compete on vulak when they can get 100 bodies for AoW?

[Jimjam]

TLDR Forming the best alliance is the real competition.

[Grumph]

If you argue for unrooting everything and... nothing happens?

Maybe try arguing for unrooting. Just. One. More. Dragon. (Dagarn or something)

Hope that helps.

[Chortles Snortles]

clearing a dungeon to reach the boss is
LE BAD!!!

[unroot]

competition on quake update

Riot fucked off to growth with 6 tov mobs up including Vulak

Yeah, great spot guys

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Arvan]

ah yes, the "why don't you compete against yourself argument" really solid stuff guys

quick history lesson

we started as a guild named <Freedom> with 30 active members

we teamed with <AG> for a bunch of mobs

<Riot> at this team fielded ~130+ for every major target killed

our 30 man guild started to win vulaks since we were able to form alliances

because, as you know, it's impossible to kill rooted vulak with a raid force under 60 members in a competitive setting given the trains and kite meta

we literally did what you drooling retards are talking about

we beat <Riot> that was fielding the zerg at the time with our 30 man guild, inb4 "you teamed with ag"

now here's the kicker <Riot> fielded 100 people for their last AoW attempt ... 100 people!

so what is the reason that guild can't compete on vulak when they can get 100 bodies for AoW?

It's not "competing against yourself" Your guild is AG + Freedom + Many others. Just split again. Why do you hate competition and want to zerg so badly?

[Ripqozko]

Kittens super mad, hope that helps.

[unroot]

It's not "competing against yourself" Your guild is AG + Freedom + Many others. Just split again. Why do you hate competition and want to zerg so badly?

sick bro

explain to me how 30 people pull off a competitive vulak

you guys can't even do it with 100

[Swish]

sick bro

explain to me how 30 people pull off a competitive vulak

you guys can't even do it with 100

who this?

[Tunabros]

sick bro

explain to me how 30 people pull off a competitive vulak

you guys can't even do it with 100

XD

[starkind]

Has anyone mentioned if dragons r rooted on takp?

[Chortles Snortles]

Kittens super mad, hope that helps.

[imsorryGMs]

Never. Consider playing wayfarers haven

[pogs4ever]

Kittens super mad, hope that helps.

[Arvan]

sick bro

explain to me how 30 people pull off a competitive vulak

you guys can't even do it with 100

120 - 50 is 30?

Lol

[Thaak]

competition on quake update

Riot fucked off to growth with 6 tov mobs up including Vulak

Yeah, great spot guys

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

sorry no one wants to play your shitty esport with you anymore, cause you're shitty to practically the entire server.

[starkind]

This is when! (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402333)

[unroot]

sorry no one wants to play your shitty esport with you anymore, cause you're shitty to practically the entire server.

don't hate the player, hate the rooted dragon meta

[Arvan]

don't hate the player, hate the rooted dragon meta

Sorry you are in a guild who constantly insults harasses and trains the rest of the server.

Try being better next time you guys log on.

[unroot]

Sorry you are in a guild who constantly insults harasses and trains the rest of the server.

Try being better next time you guys log on.

you mean try giving you guys free mobs?

my guild is happy with free vulak loot every week.

I just think it's a bit sad compared to how it used to be thanks to an arbitrary change that is killing the server

enjoy your jorl kills

[Tunabros]

unrooted dragons gives everyone a chance at NTOV dragons

just saying...

[xdrcfrx]

who this?


it's pretty obviously tofat.

[Allishia]

I still say they should mix it up, rooted on quakes, regular during cycle /nod...or root on cycle and unroot on quakes? I dunno but I like both ways, it is fun to dungeon crawl and also fun to pull the dragons...ah ha, unroot half of them /nod.

[Jimjam]

Variation is the spice of life. It is way more fun being able to go to the dragon’s lair instead of ringing the doorbell, but I appreciate pullers enjoyed getting the dragons out solo too.

Sorry AFK DKPers got nerfed and Wizards are more important than monks on dragon kill teams now, OP!

[unroot]

you guys who are saying rooted dragons is fun

do you think leapfrogging meta is fun?

if yes, than why?

[Allishia]

you guys who are saying rooted dragons is fun

do you think leapfrogging meta is fun?

if yes, than why?

It isn't the leap frog part, it is about getting to go in the dragons lair and battle vs spinning in circles at zone in :p

[Jimjam]

It isn't the leap frog part, it is about getting to go in the dragons lair and battle vs spinning in circles at zone in :p

All this time we thought EQ was a Dungeons and Dragons simulator, meanwhile everyone else thought we were playing a game of leapfrog!

[Ravager]

The answer is both simple and classic. Unroot the dragons and don't merge Green with Blue. Turn one of them into a carebear rotation server and the other a FFA no CSR on raid targets server. Then sit back and watch everyone have fun the way they want it.

[starkind]

Unroot them on red and red2.0

Merge green and blue and put npcs that respond to /random and despawn after 30 seconds dropping loot on a dragon corpse locked to the winners of /ran. Make the dragons nonkos and noninteractive.

[unroot]

It isn't the leap frog part, it is about getting to go in the dragons lair and battle vs spinning in circles at zone in :p

the problem with this framing is that you don't get to go into the dragons lair and kill it unless you are the guild doing the leapfrogging or the dragon is uncontested

[Bardp1999]

Join Vanquish and win dragon loot, join Riot and make threads in RnF about how the raid scene is unfair, the choice is yours.

[Ravager]

Unroot them on red and red2.0

Merge green and blue and put npcs that respond to /random and despawn after 30 seconds dropping loot on a dragon corpse locked to the winners of /ran. Make the dragons nonkos and noninteractive.

I thought Red was the noninteractive server.

[starkind]

I thought Red was the noninteractive server.

wK1PNNEKZBY

It is only if u run to the ZL and /q like a little 🐝🤔

[conoutoftrol]

unpin the dragonkin

[xdrcfrx]

the problem with this framing is that you don't get to go into the dragons lair and kill it unless you are the guild doing the leapfrogging or the dragon is uncontested

why is leapfrogging fundamentally bad?

or, put another way: what makes losing because you got leapfrogged different that losing because you dropped the pull or losing because you wiped or losing because you lost the race?

[Mblake1981]

you say this when vulak hasn't been competitive for the last 3 years

and it's not several guilds

the only guilds that kill ntov dragons during cycles (not quakes) are Vanq/Riot and then Kittens when multiple dragons have popped at the same time ... which only really happens on cycles after quakes

on quakes it's still those 3 guilds the vast majority of the time killing dragons in ntov

your argument is trash, this meta is the least competitive it has ever been and the distribution of mobs is the most jaded ever

When your all-star pullers just can't take not being in the spot light anymore and lash out on the forums with a new throw-away account made just to whine about rooted pixel lizards.

[unroot]

why is leapfrogging fundamentally bad?

or, put another way: what makes losing because you got leapfrogged different that losing because you dropped the pull or losing because you wiped or losing because you lost the race?

leapfrogging is determined by who can log in more people, i.e. how many more mobs can you train/kite than the other guilds

dropped pulls/picked up pulls is determined by rng and who is better at the game

[unroot]

When your all-star pullers just can't take not being in the spot light anymore and lash out on the forums with a new throw-away account made just to whine about rooted pixel lizards.

yo i forgot my forum account info, chill bro

and i've been whining about this shit well before vanq was a thing thank you very much

fundamentally bad game design when there are multiple guilds competing in tov

[Mblake1981]

yo i forgot my forum account info, chill bro

and i've been whining about this shit well before vanq was a thing thank you very much

fundamentally bad game design when there are multiple guilds competing in tov

Same old story, different time of year. The zone was never meant to hold multiple guilds on a closed in server, if you have been around as long as you claim then you would already know that.

[unroot]

Same old story, different time of year. The zone was never meant to hold multiple guilds on a closed in server, if you have been around as long as you claim then you would already know that.

no shit

but here we are on a time locked server making changes that make the zone worse in a multi guild environment

[Mblake1981]

no shit

but here we are on a time locked server making changes that make the zone worse in a multi guild environment

A change made three years ago, you couldn't muster a better argument during all those years other than ending up here, at the end, crying and whining about it to your fellow players in a feeble attempt at getting more e-attention for yourself.

[unroot]

A change made three years ago, you couldn't muster a better argument during all those years other than ending up here, at the end, crying and whining about it to your fellow players in a feeble attempt at getting more e-attention for yourself.

:confused:

thanks for the attention

[Tunabros]

unrooting dragons literally ruined the raid scene and forced people to zerg

unroot the dragons! make competition great again!

[Chortles Snortles]

guys please help me gear my level 54 Druid with afk NTOV loot
(lol)

[Tunabros]

mad

i have 2 pieces of NTOV loot from playing casually while your ass is banned

based GMs for banning your retarded manlet ass

[Chortles Snortles]

not banned
u mad
(lol)

[Tunabros]

you are banned

like 6 times

seek help

also

u mad

keep replying (lol) because u big mad

[Chortles Snortles]

reddit spacing
ULTRA MAD
(lol)

[Tunabros]

keep replying

[Jimbingym]

Looks like Chortles won this round

[Lewkeng]

The only system so far that I have seen that hasn't lead to the collapse of every competitive raiding entity after 6 months.

The fact is bags keep competition alive. Rooted dragons are way more fun because having a player get BIS without ever leaving the entrance of tov is dumb. Everyone gets to see the zone now and its far more blood pumping when the ntov competition is happening. When bags were moved to 1/4 it made less competition, because sure the 2nd raid entity is going to show up in force when they have some uncontested mobs to kill.

The real reason the top guild doesn't like this is because they can't lord over every pixel as every previous top guild has been able to do in server history by this point in the meta timeline. People have been saying it for years and quakes solve everything. Quakes are competition. The rest is just staring at walls the hardest.

Also, since its first in force for kael we should be using coth, because now its just a more obfuscated race that can still be cheated on.


bags keep guilds alive, not competition.. there hasnt rly been comp anywhere..

[Lewkeng]

the problem with this framing is that you don't get to go into the dragons lair and kill it unless you are the guild doing the leapfrogging or the dragon is uncontested


i dont understand why this leapfrogging thing is a problem... competition is gonna jump infront of you if they have a chance... i never understood how people complain about this then say why is there no competition, you literally have to do it..

[starkind]

Guilds need to die and be reborn otherwise the community stagnates..

Like bacterial mats are a good foundation for an ecosystem..they aren't a vibrant forest tho..

Bacterial mats from horizon to horizon is what you're getting right now under the current rules with sorta pretty much immortal guilds.

[Ravager]

The majority of the community doesn't raid. Server would probably be healthier if they just stopped spawning raid bosses altogether.

[PlsNoBan]

The majority of the community doesn't raid. Server would probably be healthier if they just stopped spawning raid bosses altogether.

I would pay money to watch the meltdown if this became reality. The entertainment value would be insane.

[Chortles Snortles]

you are banned

like 6 times

seek help

also

u mad

keep replying (lol) because u big mad

https://i.imgur.com/Sx4E2dm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ahtq20N.gif

[starkind]

I would pay money to watch the meltdown if this became reality. The entertainment value would be insane.

Replace raid bosses with baker n tradeskill quests that reward classic dungeon gear stats. That require factioning and randomized scavenger hunts for mats. Make everything tradeable. Add in plat sinks and raise the cost of food n stuff... like bandages and potions and pumice. Make bandages heal 5x hp tho.

Would be a much better game.

[Terrok]

i dont understand why this leapfrogging thing is a problem... competition is gonna jump infront of you if they have a chance... i never understood how people complain about this then say why is there no competition, you literally have to do it..

Its mainly because one guild spends two hours clearing while the "leapfrogger" afk's and then jumps in to kill the named at the end without doing any work. I get that white people don't get the issue with this as it is how America was built, but the bottom 90% are not smart enough to rise up against the top 10%. but sitting on your ass waiting for other people to do the work and then leapfrogging them and getting the rewards, isnt really competition. its just capitalism. Its like the warm body's just want to log in and loot dragons corpses at the zone in while 2 people do all the work and pull the mob to the zone in, and call it competition.

[eisley]

We don't even need a fancy new solution. Simply going back to '16 rules with unrooted dragons and NToV FTE races would breathe life into the game by bringing people back, disbanding Vanq and Riot overnight, and giving people something interesting to do. NToV races were a blast. Not only that, you didn't need zerg meta because you didn't have to insta-engage. You could take an hour for people to log in, and if you fucked up the pull or wiped, you conceded.

Some of my best memories of this game are sitting on the line grouped with people like Fingerz, Henrique, Franswa, Brutillus, Diamondfist, Kelzaraz, Choochu, etc. and bullshitting in group chat until something spawned, then the races themselves took coordination. Hell, early in the AM things would drop down to rogue only races. If there was only a few of us on the line I'd swap to my rogue and we'd sneak up for FTE trying to juke each other into flurry drakes and shit. It was great.

And if anyone thinks this ruleset won't kill zerg meta - I have one word for you. Rustle. Thanks to having a lot of returning playmakers from IB/TMO/Rampage, and Getsome/Snacks leading,

People would ditch R/V to make a small guild of reliable playmakers in an instant, because the old ruleset incentivized it.

The game is dying and it's a shame because it doesn't have to.

[eisley]

And if anyone thinks this ruleset won't kill zerg meta - I have one word for you. Rustle. Thanks to having a lot of returning playmakers from IB/TMO/Rampage, and Getsome/Snacks leading,.

oops, I forgot to sentence.

...and Getsome/Snacks leading, Rustle was able to get probably even more loot per member than any other guild at their peak. The biggest downside to zerg meta is competing against 200 people in DKP, most of whom have never killed these mobs with less than 80 people, so their purpose as coverage warmbodies becomes irrelevant overnight.