Blue and Green have been tremendous successes, what's next for Project1999 ?

[Viscere]

Wutdo

[Fragged]

Bush towers?

[starkind]

I saw this thread as was so excited to see blue and green finally fragged.

https://i.imgur.com/h2kUaWC.jpeg

Very disappointed 😞

[PlsNoBan]

I saw this thread as was so excited to see blue and green finally fragged.

https://i.imgur.com/h2kUaWC.jpeg

Very disappointed 😞

The day they finally pull the plug on P99 will be VERY entertaining. I don't necessarily want it to happen but I can't lie I would thoroughly enjoy watching the aftermath and mental breakdowns that ensue.

[Ooloo]

I genuinely worry about the well being of some people if they were to ever pull the plug completely. It would probably be good for some people, but others I think are too invested and couldn't handle that kind of drastic shock to their daily routines.

[starkind]

Ya. We seriously need the government to manage p99s sunset.

[Rager and Quitter]

Ya. We seriously need the government to manage p99s sunset.

I agree. They've royally fucked up almost every single thing they've been involved in, I'd love to see the horrible mismanagement of their handling of P99. That would make things sooo much more exciting once it's all done.

[eisley]

If anything, I actually find it more surprising how *few* old players are left. For example, I quit in Dec 2016. I returned a few months ago. I would say I've seen about ten players still playing from when I quit.

Kunark era is when the game grew a lot, so the list doesn't change much here. Detoxx, Liia, Franswa, Eratani, Faumieni, few others (apologies to anyone I forgot are the only people left I remember from that era.

Going back even further - Vanlla, and Guise/Manastone/Rubicite era I only know of a single other Vanilla era player who is still active that I knew personally - Eratani.

Over the 13 year span, I personally played for about one year after each expansion release, so about 3 yrs total. In that time I was in 3 (kinda 4) guilds - Inglourious Basterds, Rampage/TR, and Awakened. Of those guildmatess, I can think of eight people who are still active.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some people, but that's still pretty grim. I suspect the people who have played the most are actually players who began during Kunark or Velious. In fact, prior to.. I guess we'll call it "the zerg era" (when dragons were rooted for god knows what reason) - this game had a reputation for dying quickly as soon as every expansion was beat. Hell, in IB and Rampage we didn't even pretend to want to stay. I remember hearing stuff like "can we wake the Sleeper finally so I can stop playing" or "I wish Trak would drop the staff so we can stop logging on every 3 days". Awakened was the first guild I was in that seemed like it had intention of building something - which it did, quite well in my opinion.

Speaking strictly in terms of people who have played the most - I don't think there's much debate here - Eratani almost certainly is the leader. It's also worth noting he's one of the most well liked and well adjusted raiders in the game. Second place is probably Detoxx, and yeah, things do start to look grim. A lot of raiders today seem to be very unhappy, hateful people. I think the current rule structure fosters an environment where you are competing against your own guildmates as much as anyone else.

Unroot the dragons and Detoxx will have time to deliver all the pizzas again.

[unsunghero]

I genuinely worry about the well being of some people if they were to ever pull the plug completely. It would probably be good for some people, but others I think are too invested and couldn't handle that kind of drastic shock to their daily routines.

There’d be other private emulated servers. Wouldn’t be as big but a knockoff alternative would likely spring up…is my guess

Emulated EQ isn’t going away any time soon as a concept

[Chortles Snortles]

REEvREE

[starkind]

I agree. They've royally fucked up almost every single thing they've been involved in, I'd love to see the horrible mismanagement of their handling of P99. That would make things sooo much more exciting once it's all done.

What happened to not replying?

[cd288]

If anything, I actually find it more surprising how *few* old players are left. For example, I quit in Dec 2016. I returned a few months ago. I would say I've seen about ten players still playing from when I quit.

Kunark era is when the game grew a lot, so the list doesn't change much here. Detoxx, Liia, Franswa, Eratani, Faumieni, few others (apologies to anyone I forgot are the only people left I remember from that era.

Going back even further - Vanlla, and Guise/Manastone/Rubicite era I only know of a single other Vanilla era player who is still active that I knew personally - Eratani.

Over the 13 year span, I personally played for about one year after each expansion release, so about 3 yrs total. In that time I was in 3 (kinda 4) guilds - Inglourious Basterds, Rampage/TR, and Awakened. Of those guildmatess, I can think of eight people who are still active.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some people, but that's still pretty grim. I suspect the people who have played the most are actually players who began during Kunark or Velious. In fact, prior to.. I guess we'll call it "the zerg era" (when dragons were rooted for god knows what reason) - this game had a reputation for dying quickly as soon as every expansion was beat. Hell, in IB and Rampage we didn't even pretend to want to stay. I remember hearing stuff like "can we wake the Sleeper finally so I can stop playing" or "I wish Trak would drop the staff so we can stop logging on every 3 days". Awakened was the first guild I was in that seemed like it had intention of building something - which it did, quite well in my opinion.

Speaking strictly in terms of people who have played the most - I don't think there's much debate here - Eratani almost certainly is the leader. It's also worth noting he's one of the most well liked and well adjusted raiders in the game. Second place is probably Detoxx, and yeah, things do start to look grim. A lot of raiders today seem to be very unhappy, hateful people. I think the current rule structure fosters an environment where you are competing against your own guildmates as much as anyone else.

Unroot the dragons and Detoxx will have time to deliver all the pizzas again.

You still have vanquish in your sig just fyi. Should probably remove the name of the guild that kicked you out

[Tunabros]

merge green and blue

make new green

fuck red

[eisley]

You still have vanquish in your sig just fyi. Should probably remove the name of the guild that kicked you out

Uh, I guess I will if that ever happens... ?

It's kinda creepy how obsessed you are with me dude. I'm literally known for being a nobody. You're doing it wrong.

[AenorVZ]

Merge Green into Blue. Merge Red into Blue with all Red players permanently flagged for PvP and unable to group or guild with non PvP players. Make Red players' gear not tradeable with Blue/Green players. Launch Race War.

[Rager and Quitter]

What happened to not replying?

Oh crap, you're right. *zips lip emoji thing*

[starkind]

Oh crap, you're right. *zips lip emoji thing*

https://i.imgur.com/4LnEzRm.gif

[Trexller]

merge green and blue

make new green

fuck red

+1

[Bardp1999]

Unplug the servers and let people move on

[Twochain]

Bush towers?

Good point.

[stealthbeast]

I just want a classic PvP server that actually has people on it.

[MrSparkle001]

Sullon Zek-esque teams server. It would be a glorious mess.

[Insomnia]

Relase Luclin and PoP on Blue

[PlsNoBan]

https://imgur.com/ycBQnGx

[PlsNoBan]

Fail 2x post

https://i.imgur.com/ycBQnGx.jpg

[San'Drax]

Missing some critical pieces before you can consider this a success

[Rager and Quitter]

I just want a classic PvP server that actually has people on it.

The people who play on Red99 do not want more people on the server and basically do everything they can to drive people away. Normal, well-adjusted people leave after a short time when they realize how depraved and austically obsessed these people are. It's doomed to fail, which is why there will never be a Red 2.0. It would be a waste of time and effort resetting things, unless the GMs cracked down hard on the awful behavior. Also, there is unchecked cheating on Red99 basically constantly. Fuck em.

[Tunabros]

p99 died with rooted dragons

[starkind]

P99 died when pnp and rules lawyering created favorites.

[starkind]

The people who play on Red99 do not want more people on the server and basically do everything they can to drive people away. Normal, well-adjusted people leave after a short time when they realize how depraved and austically obsessed these people are. It's doomed to fail, which is why there will never be a Red 2.0. It would be a waste of time and effort resetting things, unless the GMs cracked down hard on the awful behavior. Also, there is unchecked cheating on Red99 basically constantly. Fuck em.
Red is super chill bro. U literally can join the zerg and pvp on alts all day long. No one will ever stop u. At worst you might wind up like in a youtu.be video if you're extra-special.

[Gustoo]

Yeah anyone who is saying red is anything but the chillest everquest server on the market right now is out of their damn minds.

Zero competition for anything, just a buncha people who either like PVP enough to play pvp even if its empty, or are just happy questing around with a smaller population since they wouldn't be interacting with anyone but guildies anyways.

I'm kinda wishy washy. I almost played today and looked at my characters, then I was going to try TAKP but couldn't think of a forum name because I don't know what character I would roll in a POP era locked server. Halfling ranger? So I just realized I shouldn't be spending the time.

[Bardp1999]

I contemplated logging on my 56 necro and realized I didnt want to solo or group with warm bodies in KC so I played Starcraft 2 CoOp commanders instead. I saw there was a new season on Diablo 3 and almost made a barbarian.... but ultimately decided to watch Monday Night Raw instead (I'm surprisingly enjoying WWE since this last Wrestlemania).

[Rager and Quitter]

Yeah anyone who is saying red is anything but the chillest everquest server on the market right now is out of their damn minds.

I'm going to assume this is a joke. You're either flat out lying or being disingenuous. I leveled my druid to 52 (his name is Efurion) and no guilds outside of Prowl want anything to do with anyone. Not to mention people are incredibly vitriolic. The only joy Red99ers have is ruining the game for others. That's it. I watched a group of 4 legit noobs get griefed hard by two twinks who sat around killing them (I tried to explain LnS, but the noobs didn't see to understand), so the two kept killing them over and over as they tried to get their corpses in Befallen. It was sad. They started complaining in /ooc and everyone just started shitting on them. It was legitimately sad that new players get treated like that, and not a single person beside myself said anything to the griefers but "lawl" and "pras it" and "go back to blue", etc. Stop with the propaganda and let Red99 die like it should.

[starkind]

I'm going to assume this is a joke. You're either flat out lying or being disingenuous. I leveled my druid to 52 (his name is Efurion) and no guilds outside of Prowl want anything to do with anyone. Not to mention people are incredibly vitriolic. The only joy Red99ers have is ruining the game for others. That's it. I watched a group of 4 legit noobs get griefed hard by two twinks who sat around killing them (I tried to explain LnS, but the noobs didn't see to understand), so the two kept killing them over and over as they tried to get their corpses in Befallen. It was sad. They started complaining in /ooc and everyone just started shitting on them. It was legitimately sad that new players get treated like that, and not a single person beside myself said anything to the griefers but "lawl" and "pras it" and "go back to blue", etc. Stop with the propaganda and let Red99 die like it should.

Probably has more to do with you than you realize.

The truth is if you flip out and fly into a rage @ pvp or for any reason rly. you may as well wear a kick me sign on ur back in pvp.

I recommend rolling a few alts and just doing those for a bit on the rare occurrence u die to pvp or get raid wiped.

Like I said it's super chill. Especially if u make friends and are just logging in to have fun. If you got some serious obsession with being free to sit on a single mob indefinitely. U will never enjoy EQ.

No matter where u play.

Hope that helps 🙏

[Bardp1999]

The ability to shit box someone with PVP is the only real answer to games like EQ (else you end up with UNs and many pages of rules). However, I could not imagine playing EQ on a PVP server due to how time-consuming dying is.

If you respawned in whatever zone you died in or respawned fully equipped...I mean maybe then, but even so it would just be a grief fest.

[starkind]

The ability to shit box someone with PVP is the only real answer to games like EQ (else you end up with UNs and many pages of rules). However, I could not imagine playing EQ on a PVP server due to how time-consuming dying is.

If you respawned in whatever zone you died in or respawned fully equipped...I mean maybe then, but even so it would just be a grief fest.

Hence alts. Just log in a fresh character. Keep playing like u never died. Gg.

[PlsNoBan]

I'm going to assume this is a joke. You're either flat out lying or being disingenuous. I leveled my druid to 52 (his name is Efurion) and no guilds outside of Prowl want anything to do with anyone. Not to mention people are incredibly vitriolic. The only joy Red99ers have is ruining the game for others. That's it. I watched a group of 4 legit noobs get griefed hard by two twinks who sat around killing them (I tried to explain LnS, but the noobs didn't see to understand), so the two kept killing them over and over as they tried to get their corpses in Befallen. It was sad. They started complaining in /ooc and everyone just started shitting on them. It was legitimately sad that new players get treated like that, and not a single person beside myself said anything to the griefers but "lawl" and "pras it" and "go back to blue", etc. Stop with the propaganda and let Red99 die like it should.

This was my Red experience too. Leveled a Wiz up to 54 and it was pretty toxic most of the way up. I don't know about now but during my leveling process all the popular xp zones were regularly and constantly crawled by delvl'd raid gear twinks starting in CB through unrest/mistmoore and even into CoM. You bring this shit up and all the R99 apologists call you a liar or act like you're exaggerating. It's kinda funny. Red is NOT welcoming to new people and that's definitely part (certainly not all) of why it's a dead server. The main reason is cause EQ PvP is kinda shit but that's besides the point.

[starkind]

This was my Red experience too. Leveled a Wiz up to 54 and it was pretty toxic most of the way up. I don't know about now but during my leveling process all the popular xp zones were regularly and constantly crawled by delvl'd raid gear twinks starting in CB through unrest/mistmoore and even into CoM. You bring this shit up and all the R99 apologists call you a liar or act like you're exaggerating. It's kinda funny. Red is NOT welcoming to new people and that's definitely part (certainly not all) of why it's a dead server. The main reason is cause EQ PvP is kinda shit but that's besides the point.

Another hyperbolic set of excuses. Guy is a badass IRL on red, just Another girl tho. 🤏🤣🧑*🦯🫂

[Rager and Quitter]

This was my Red experience too.

For sure. I could go into time after time that I had really shitty stuff happen to me while leveling my druid.

I used to park in random zones to med/take a break, and people would find me always, even in places where no one ever goes, some random warrior or rogue would appear and be attacking me, that just happened to be in PvP range. And of course people lied and said "oh we have alts camped in every zone" and pretend like they spend their time online just logging in random characters in every zone constantly that just so happens to match your level range. Mind you I don't have a level 60 on R99.

I was once running through Overthere, only person in the zone, and all of a sudden a gnome wizard appeared under me in the middle of the zone as I ran through and nuked me before I could get out of range. His reply was "I was bound right under you", really? In the middle of Overthere? In a zone that only had me in it? A short time later a level 1 messaged me and said some people use MQ (whatever the hell that is, some program I assume) to warp to players locations then logged off.

When I was in my early 40s I was killing HGs in Rathe and as always checking /who constantly, and noticed someone had zoned into Rathe (when in that zone I usually check /who just as fast as possible since I have plat on me) within at least a second or two of them zoning in, and only a few seconds after that the dark elf wizard found me back in one of the corners. Unless he had bard speed and track, there's no way he legit found me that quickly.

Luckily for me in every case by the wizard in OT I escaped alive, but it proves that people cheat with impunity on R99.

[unsunghero]

The de-leveling trick sounds nasty

When I playing in SZ I didn’t notice that as much but it was right when the server launched. I think there you only got a reward for killing someone within a certain level range of yourself. So what I saw people doing is rolling with a crew of lev 50+ friends who would debuff/disable the target and then lower it to as low of hp as they could without killing it, then their friend who is within the level range would get the killing blow

[PlsNoBan]

For sure. I could go into time after time that I had really shitty stuff happen to me while leveling my druid.

I used to park in random zones to med/take a break, and people would find me always, even in places where no one ever goes, some random warrior or rogue would appear and be attacking me, that just happened to be in PvP range. And of course people lied and said "oh we have alts camped in every zone" and pretend like they spend their time online just logging in random characters in every zone constantly that just so happens to match your level range. Mind you I don't have a level 60 on R99.

I was once running through Overthere, only person in the zone, and all of a sudden a gnome wizard appeared under me in the middle of the zone as I ran through and nuked me before I could get out of range. His reply was "I was bound right under you", really? In the middle of Overthere? In a zone that only had me in it? A short time later a level 1 messaged me and said some people use MQ (whatever the hell that is, some program I assume) to warp to players locations then logged off.

When I was in my early 40s I was killing HGs in Rathe and as always checking /who constantly, and noticed someone had zoned into Rathe (when in that zone I usually check /who just as fast as possible since I have plat on me) within at least a second or two of them zoning in, and only a few seconds after that the dark elf wizard found me back in one of the corners. Unless he had bard speed and track, there's no way he legit found me that quickly.

Luckily for me in every case by the wizard in OT I escaped alive, but it proves that people cheat with impunity on R99.

It is rather odd how non tracking classes somehow are always able to find you extremely quickly


https://i.imgur.com/GmGZPay.jpg

[MrSparkle001]

The de-leveling trick sounds nasty

When I playing in SZ I didn’t notice that as much but it was right when the server launched. I think there you only got a reward for killing someone within a certain level range of yourself. So what I saw people doing is rolling with a crew of lev 50+ friends who would debuff/disable the target and then lower it to as low of hp as they could without killing it, then their friend who is within the level range would get the killing blow

De-leveling back on Rallos let you keep all your gear and skill levels and abilities, and that was what made it OP. It was totally an exploit but also not against the rules so what can you do? A troll with level 50 regen, level 50 skills and level 50 endgame gear that de-leveled down to like 9 or 10 (I forget the ideal level to de-level to to pick on low levels) was literally unstoppable. I saw an entire zone of newbies in Nektulos on Rallos Zek try to beat down a single de-leveled troll and failed hilariously. Couldn't be hit in melee, couldn't be hit with spells, that rare time something did hit he just regenerated right back. So funny, so frustrating.

They did eventually change how de-leveling worked so you didn't become a living god.

Back then I may have made an argument that a de-leveled character running around untouchable in a zone could be considered zone disruption but I never bothered to. It wasn't as hilarious a zone disruption as Fansy on Sullon Zek but the effect was similar.

[starkind]

Those where good times before and after dlvl nerf. So many newbies then. It made it fun.

Nowadays there's no reason to be afraid of that.

People be lined to you at treants in SK or whatever because the good players know every camp and you aren't invised and aon'd.

It's still not that big of a deal.

I remember my mage duoing like 6 hrs undisturbed in hhk basement one day with a cool wood elf ranger who had very 1337 skills.

If you can't deal with a little 30mins disruption to your overmaximum pixel gains. You're going to have exactly the same problem on blue and green more often. With absolutely no alternatives. It's a very disingenuous excuse/assertion.

Red is chillllllll a f. Even when ur dying to pvp bros.

The only time its ever stressful is when u are stressful. To yourself. The pvpbro will still have a gud time.

[SantagarBrax]

I used to believe that Green should never merge with Blue due to the inordinate and inaccurate amount of non-classic rules in play by the staff. I understand why they made a lot of the rules, overpopulation at launch, yet none of those reasons stand the test of time any longer and should be reevaluated and rescinded.

The effect upon Blue was noticeable. Blue higher end camps opened up more and allowed for nice and casual farming. The low/mid level toons took a big hit throughout Norrath with that particular group of personnel being harder to find, thus diminishing the overall experience for everyone. (I can't tell you how many monks I see nowadays without a simple incoming message)

At this stage, I think Green should merge into Blue. The overall experience would benefit lower and middle level folks more, while providing more competition on the top tier side of the house for both raiders and farmers. Sure, things could get a little crowded but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I'd still like to see an event where both servers could have an option to mirror their accounts to Red, minus platinum and the bank, for a temporary time period of perhaps a month or two to instantly populate that server with current toons from Green and Blue. This would be a fun enterprise and allow people to test their might against everyone else, both pvp knowledgeable and ignorant players, while providing a different perspective towards the game. Who knows, people may actually enjoy it, even if it's only temporary..

[starkind]

I used to believe that Green should never merge with Blue due to the inordinate and inaccurate amount of non-classic rules in play by the staff. I understand why they made a lot of the rules, overpopulation at launch, yet none of those reasons stand the test of time any longer and should be reevaluated and rescinded.

The effect upon Blue was noticeable. Blue higher end camps opened up more and allowed for nice and casual farming. The low/mid level toons took a big hit throughout Norrath with that particular group of personnel being harder to find, thus diminishing the overall experience for everyone. (I can't tell you how many monks I see nowadays without a simple incoming message)

At this stage, I think Green should merge into Blue. The overall experience would benefit lower and middle level folks more, while providing more competition on the top tier side of the house for both raiders and farmers. Sure, things could get a little crowded but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I'd still like to see an event where both servers could have an option to mirror their accounts to Red, minus platinum and the bank, for a temporary time period of perhaps a month or two to instantly populate that server with current toons from Green and Blue. This would be a fun enterprise and allow people to test their might against everyone else, both pvp knowledgeable and ignorant players, while providing a different perspective towards the game. Who knows, people may actually enjoy it, even if it's only temporary..

+1

[titanshub]

This poll is missing the most chaotic choice of merging blue into green. That is he option I support.

[sixoffive]

Too many people on blue, why would you want to merge green into it?

[ReoDobbs]

Too many people on blue, why would you want to merge green into it?
The majority of the playerbase are not hard-core raiders. Which is the only place this comment makes sense in reference to.


Despite blue players worrying about their legacy items devaluing there's not much of a reason to not merge.

If you don't merge green will be a dead ass server and probably have the effect of less people trusting what they'd do with Green 2.0.

Either way I'll be going back to blue one way or another, though it'd be nice to have my time spent on green help out and not for naught

[Lewkeng]

I used to believe that Green should never merge with Blue due to the inordinate and inaccurate amount of non-classic rules in play by the staff. I understand why they made a lot of the rules, overpopulation at launch, yet none of those reasons stand the test of time any longer and should be reevaluated and rescinded.

The effect upon Blue was noticeable. Blue higher end camps opened up more and allowed for nice and casual farming. The low/mid level toons took a big hit throughout Norrath with that particular group of personnel being harder to find, thus diminishing the overall experience for everyone. (I can't tell you how many monks I see nowadays without a simple incoming message)

At this stage, I think Green should merge into Blue. The overall experience would benefit lower and middle level folks more, while providing more competition on the top tier side of the house for both raiders and farmers. Sure, things could get a little crowded but that's not necessarily a bad thing.


I'd still like to see an event where both servers could have an option to mirror their accounts to Red, minus platinum and the bank, for a temporary time period of perhaps a month or two to instantly populate that server with current toons from Green and Blue. This would be a fun enterprise and allow people to test their might against everyone else, both pvp knowledgeable and ignorant players, while providing a different perspective towards the game. Who knows, people may actually enjoy it, even if it's only temporary..

The plan was always for green to merge into blue when timeline finishes

[Gustoo]

Yep, the plan was always to merge, and I can't imagine a reason why P99 staff would decide to keep the two separate once they're at the terminal point on the timeline. Just doesn't make sense to have a divided community, or two servers with people "single boxing" both of them. No thanks!

[unsunghero]

I can't imagine a reason why P99 staff would decide to keep the two separate

Because they died to covid and no one told anyone

[SantagarBrax]

Too many people on blue, why would you want to merge green into it?

Blue usually has about 15-20% less population than Green. Both servers are below my completely made up "healthy population number" of 1200-1300 on any given day. The overcrowding doesn't seem to occur until 1700+ are online at the same time. Again, not a bad thing as the intrinsic value of the game increases across multiple facets.

There's benefits to merging, without a doubt. Blue players are more experienced and knowledgeable based upon time in era alone and this experience resonates. There is so much knowledge on Blue to be shared and it would be a shame to let that wither away and die as it benefits all players. Intuitive players on Green that came from Blue would be wise not to share a lot of knowledge based upon competition alone. Most Blue players won't hesitate to enlighten other players and "share the love", if you will.

What more reason is needed beyond the ability to interact with more people while forming new friendships and potential enemies, or at the least competitors? Dynamics are important and part of the magic of the game.

[Lewkeng]

Green goes into blue, and a new green opens... id rather believe what was said then speculate.

[Lewkeng]

If anything, I actually find it more surprising how *few* old players are left. For example, I quit in Dec 2016. I returned a few months ago. I would say I've seen about ten players still playing from when I quit.

Kunark era is when the game grew a lot, so the list doesn't change much here. Detoxx, Liia, Franswa, Eratani, Faumieni, few others (apologies to anyone I forgot are the only people left I remember from that era.

Going back even further - Vanlla, and Guise/Manastone/Rubicite era I only know of a single other Vanilla era player who is still active that I knew personally - Eratani.

Over the 13 year span, I personally played for about one year after each expansion release, so about 3 yrs total. In that time I was in 3 (kinda 4) guilds - Inglourious Basterds, Rampage/TR, and Awakened. Of those guildmatess, I can think of eight people who are still active.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some people, but that's still pretty grim. I suspect the people who have played the most are actually players who began during Kunark or Velious. In fact, prior to.. I guess we'll call it "the zerg era" (when dragons were rooted for god knows what reason) - this game had a reputation for dying quickly as soon as every expansion was beat. Hell, in IB and Rampage we didn't even pretend to want to stay. I remember hearing stuff like "can we wake the Sleeper finally so I can stop playing" or "I wish Trak would drop the staff so we can stop logging on every 3 days". Awakened was the first guild I was in that seemed like it had intention of building something - which it did, quite well in my opinion.

Speaking strictly in terms of people who have played the most - I don't think there's much debate here - Eratani almost certainly is the leader. It's also worth noting he's one of the most well liked and well adjusted raiders in the game. Second place is probably Detoxx, and yeah, things do start to look grim. A lot of raiders today seem to be very unhappy, hateful people. I think the current rule structure fosters an environment where you are competing against your own guildmates as much as anyone else.

Unroot the dragons and Detoxx will have time to deliver all the pizzas again.



You're one weird character, talk shit about a man yet you rock his guild tag as if your apart of the guild.. seek help.

[Lewkeng]

Uh, I guess I will if that ever happens... ?

It's kinda creepy how obsessed you are with me dude. I'm literally known for being a nobody. You're doing it wrong.

Oh wow someone beat me to it..

What do you mean you would if it ever happens.. it did happen... your nuts rofl

[Rager and Quitter]

Both servers are below my completely made up "healthy population number" of 1200-1300 on any given day.

I'm with you on the population thing. I think it's sad when I hop on blue to make a new alt that I rarely find people to group with, which forced me over to Green so I can actually enjoy grouping and leveling through nostalgic content.

I think the server admins very much cater to the hard-core raiders, and presently these people tend to be the most vitriolic, game-killing group. Elite raiders hate other people, hell they hate the "warm bodies" in their own guilds. It's like if you aren't a jobless, socially awkward shut-in who can devote 10-14hrs a day playing every day then you aren't worthy of pixels.

The one benefit to a new server is that it spreads this autistic raiding proportion out to essentially another opportunity of raiding content, not to mention another opportunity at highly valuable legacy items that most people didn't have a chance to get when Blue first started. More raiding content, if you will, makes it slightly more possible to experience end game content without having to become a souless raider.

I mean, who ever thought Kittens would become a raiding guild? I used to be in that guild back when the vast majority of players were sub level 40, back when they were kind and fun.

[Tethler]

Ya. We seriously need the government to manage p99s sunset.

Rogean should just earthquake, wait 5 seconds, and pull the server plug so everyone batphones and nobody can connect.

[Simani]

remember GM reserve blue characters name for green players? how do they gonna solve duplicate character name if green and blue merge togather?

[Wrei]

They already stated a new green might be a possibility, the potential for a merge is also in discussions. Setting aside people's preference if we take a pragmatic view on things, only 2 outcomes can happen.

1. Green and Blue both go on their separate ways with no fresh new server and no merge happening. The easiest and laziest solution to this issue. Let green grow as old as current blue and just keep the status quo.

2. Fresh Green 2.0 comes out.

Now if we're going by the second option, I do not believe for one second we're going to see a triple server solution (I don't count red). They initially made two servers when the neckbeard army trying to get a guise/manastone was far bigger than anticipated, but separating the decent but small community into 3 servers was never a solution. Which is why Teal got gobbled up by Green eventually.

It's bad enough trying to answer the petitions of 2 active servers, the increased workload of policing 3 simultaneously is something I believe the GMs will not do in the long run.

So between not wanting to split the population into 3 servers, and not having to deal with another set of raiders crying about welfare loot or rooted dragons, if a fresh Green 2.0 comes out, it most likely means a merge of Blue + Green 1.0. Now that the sleeper has awoken on Green, it's probably a lot easier to copy paste the characters over.

From a logistics point of view, they would open up character creation on Green 2.0 one week in advance for the residents of Green 1.0, so that they can get first access to name reserves on the fresh server. They'll do this because when Green merges with Blue, all their names will be reset on Blue to accommodate the original Blue residents. This way old Green users gets their name on new Green ahead of Blue and Blue keeps their names with the influx of old Green.

[PlsNoBan]

remember GM reserve blue characters name for green players? how do they gonna solve duplicate character name if green and blue merge togather?

The same way every MMORPG handles name conflicts when you merge servers. The person that had the name longer keeps it and the other person gets a free rename.

[MrSparkle001]

I don't see the point in keeping both Blue and Green running as they are in perpetuity after the Sleeper is awake. It's an unnecessary split of the playerbase.

Even without a fresh new Green 2.0 I think merging the servers is the best course of action.

What if Green 2.0 started out as post-Velious instead of TLP, and with a modified Sleeper script so it's not a permanent change? So manastones and guises won't exist but on day 1 we can make our iksar monks and necros, we won't be dealing with that horrible hybrid xp penalty and we can move to Velious in our 30s if we wanted. Just a thought to change things up a bit.

I wasn't here for the launch of Green 1.0 but I can imagine people were holding off on making necros and monks and were concentrating on farming items like manastones instead of playing the game as it actually was at Everquest's launch where you didn't know your human monk would be superseded or that manastones would be removed from drop tables.

[PlsNoBan]

I don't see the point in keeping both Blue and Green running as they are in perpetuity after the Sleeper is awake. It's an unnecessary split of the playerbase.

Definitely agree here. No point in running 2 identical servers when 1 could easily hold the pop of both as blue did for many years. While we're at it what the hell is the plan for Red? Just gonna keep it running forever with 12 people on it? Why not do something less pointless with the server/resources?

[MrSparkle001]

Definitely agree here. No point in running 2 identical servers when 1 could easily hold the pop of both as blue did for many years. While we're at it what the hell is the plan for Red? Just gonna keep it running forever with 12 people on it? Why not do something less pointless with the server/resources?

You mean Sullon Zek race server? Or was it diety-based teams?

Oh how I yearn to relive for a while that chaotic mess of green ganking and cheating/hacking everywhere lol.

[Rager and Quitter]

I don't think there would ever be a long term Red server. It seems that PvP, even on a fresh server would lose it's novelty quickly (maybe a few months). Granted, it would probably be a ton of fun until the hard core PvPers move out of the pack and become oppressively overpowered.

The sad fact is that PvP in EQ is horribly imbalanced, especially on a fresh PvP server, not to mention PvP in Everquest clearly brings out the most horrible behavior in the players, or maybe it's that the most horribly depraved players gravitate to PvP. Griefing is either really easy in EQ, or it's more gratifying due to the added pains of dying in EQ.

[Gustoo]

Hard core PVPers dont usually move out of the pack. Hard core raiders do, and there is a point where hard core raiders (in velious) melees and casters are basically unaffected by spells and it's pretty hard to PVP them.

So some people with persistence stick it out and disrupt raids without much hope of really "defeating" the opponent.

On live servers there was a lot of cooperation at level 60 because people generally want to get dragon loot and not waste hours of their time training eachother, or whatever.

But you can bring up the batman dark knight "watch the world burn" quote if you want.

The problem with PVP on p99 is the same problem with PVE, people rushing to max level and leaving all the rest of the game content totally vacant.

[MrSparkle001]

I don't think there would ever be a long term Red server. It seems that PvP, even on a fresh server would lose it's novelty quickly (maybe a few months). Granted, it would probably be a ton of fun until the hard core PvPers move out of the pack and become oppressively overpowered.

The sad fact is that PvP in EQ is horribly imbalanced, especially on a fresh PvP server, not to mention PvP in Everquest clearly brings out the most horrible behavior in the players, or maybe it's that the most horribly depraved players gravitate to PvP. Griefing is either really easy in EQ, or it's more gratifying due to the added pains of dying in EQ.

Yep totally agree, and on Sullon Zek griefing was ridiculously easy. I have fond memories of the server only because it was so comical how bad it was. Great comical fun.

A brand new Green 2.0 where everyone is poopsocking manastones and guises again while waiting to create their iksar necros and monks isn't necessarily the best choice for a new server either but it could be the only one.

[Allishia]

Merge green into blue ! /nod

[unsunghero]

Yep totally agree, and on Sullon Zek griefing was ridiculously easy. I have fond memories of the server only because it was so comical how bad it was. Great comical fun.


Have a cleric rez you, leave the box to accept the rez up, run around the zone gathering up the biggest train you possibly can, run it over to someone, /wave, then click accept for the rez

[Nocht]

Wasn't SZ the server with Fansy?

[DMN]

Pretty sure he was on one of the original faction pvp servers, tallon or vallon.

[Old_PVP]

Pretty sure he was on one of the original faction pvp servers, tallon or vallon.

Nope. SZ Good team - the server underdogs. Good golly, I miss those days.

https://www.notacult.com/fansythefamous.htm


Yep totally agree, and on Sullon Zek griefing was ridiculously easy. I have fond memories of the server only because it was so comical how bad it was. Great comical fun.

Yes Sullon was great fun. I think it might be the best template for a PVP server... they maybe just need to tweak the teams a little bit. However, there was a great sense of zone ownership and team territory which made the server awesome. Many under-utilized zones were used to great effect because some teams had no other choices for dungeons.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: PVP solves ALL problems. Just really stop and think about it... all your bluebie woes, all these lists and elf lawyering. With the flip of a PVP switch, it all magically corrects itself.

To all the PVP haters: Have fun waiting in lines, crying to GMs and scouring through different interpretations of server rules on your bluegreen server.

[Chortles Snortles]

and put the elf jannies Out of a volunteer unpaid job???!!!!
(lol)

[DMN]

Hmm well i guess that would explain why it was a big deal in the first place since that server was supposed to be entirely free of the constraints of the PNP. Also explains why i never even heard of him until seeing him mentioned in these forums.

Training people for exp deaths was not exactly some new strategy on the pvp servers by the time sullon arrived. Hell people would even root powerful enemies at the entrance of a zone to kill them before they even completed loading.

[CancerMage]

lol everyone on blue want a merge. because of RMT. nothing to do with anything else. there are 70 players left on blue and its all because they want to RMT and exit.

[Chortles Snortles]

imagine buying your guild leader a computer and paying his rent for emulated virtual elf armor

(lol)

[starkind]

I heard the coolest way to do DKP from the coolest dudemaybe is that 50% of whatever the winning bid is goes distributed to the rest of the guild.

[MrSparkle001]

Wasn't SZ the server with Fansy?

He was Sullon Zek and an absolute legend, so much so that he inspired I think an NPC in WoW?

Making the priest of discord kill everyone in Rivervale cracks me up. Go go good team!

[MrSparkle001]

[Wed Jun 12 16:02:05 2002] Colten tells you, 'so why do you do this?'
[Wed Jun 12 16:02:25 2002] Colten tells you, 'it seems like a not very good thing to do'
[Wed Jun 12 16:02:56 2002] You told Colten, 'If it's for the good guys it's the best thing to do!'
[Wed Jun 12 16:03:01 2002] You told Colten, 'Hooray good team!'
[Wed Jun 12 16:03:09 2002] Colten tells you, 'rather than assume that all neuts are bad, why not look at individuals....some newts spend all their time killing evils'
[Wed Jun 12 16:03:19 2002] Colten tells you, 'killing newts isn't as good for goods as killing evils'
[Wed Jun 12 16:04:21 2002] You told Colten, 'what if there are evils killing newts that are killing evils that help goods who kill newts and you kill them?'

He's a damned legend lol

[Arvan]

Nope. SZ Good team - the server underdogs. Good golly, I miss those days.

https://www.notacult.com/fansythefamous.htm




Yes Sullon was great fun. I think it might be the best template for a PVP server... they maybe just need to tweak the teams a little bit. However, there was a great sense of zone ownership and team territory which made the server awesome. Many under-utilized zones were used to great effect because some teams had no other choices for dungeons.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: PVP solves ALL problems. Just really stop and think about it... all your bluebie woes, all these lists and elf lawyering. With the flip of a PVP switch, it all magically corrects itself.

To all the PVP haters: Have fun waiting in lines, crying to GMs and scouring through different interpretations of server rules on your bluegreen server.

If pvp was so great there would be more than 20 people on red

Hope this helps

[Tunabros]

Nope. SZ Good team - the server underdogs. Good golly, I miss those days.

https://www.notacult.com/fansythefamous.htm




Yes Sullon was great fun. I think it might be the best template for a PVP server... they maybe just need to tweak the teams a little bit. However, there was a great sense of zone ownership and team territory which made the server awesome. Many under-utilized zones were used to great effect because some teams had no other choices for dungeons.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: PVP solves ALL problems. Just really stop and think about it... all your bluebie woes, all these lists and elf lawyering. With the flip of a PVP switch, it all magically corrects itself.

To all the PVP haters: Have fun waiting in lines, crying to GMs and scouring through different interpretations of server rules on your bluegreen server.

drugs

[Viscere]

Do you think race based pvp would be less asymetric than Red99?

basically my point is, Red99 was pure grieving, which made it unplayable for the masses which eventually led the server to die

how would a VZ/TZ99 server be any different?

[MrSparkle001]

I'm not familiar with the race-based rules, only the diety-based rules, but no I don't think it will be much different. It will be griefing on a teams scale instead of guild scale.

[Old_PVP]

If pvp was so great there would be more than 20 people on red

Hope this helps

drugs

Ok buds, prove me wrong. List some issues other thank 3rd party hacking & obvious bugs that PVP can't seem to fix.

How about this... someone list the top 5 issues that are currently being experienced on Blue / Green.

[OuterChimp]

Wasn't there an RP server named Fironia Vie or something where there wasn't a "common" tongue and you had to learn others languages?

[PlsNoBan]

The extremely small vocal minority of people that actually like EQ PvP are such loudmouths that it almost starts to feel like there's more than 50 of them


But there isn't

[Viscere]

Given the status / history with Red99 I'd say probability the staff devotes time to another PVP server is extremely low.

However, they have mentioned Classic TLPs are on the menu , and Green 1.0's timeline is soon over.

really curious what they will propose!

[MrSparkle001]

Wasn't there an RP server named Fironia Vie or something where there wasn't a "common" tongue and you had to learn others languages?

Wow languages. Even on non-RP servers I now remember standing there usually in the tunnel while someone spammed their language. It was very early on in vanilla when we thought it would be important to learn ogre and dark elf as a high elf.

[strongNpretty]

Wow languages. Even on non-RP servers I now remember standing there usually in the tunnel while someone spammed their language. It was very early on in vanilla when we thought it would be important to learn ogre and dark elf as a high elf.

Holy fuck i remember doing this dude.. Just sitting in a group learning languages.. Woooow haha..

[bomaroast]

I'd like to see the P99 source code open sourced, so that we can get some devs who want to make the server classic, including raids, charm and spell interrupts.

[starkind]

To those upset about asymmetrical pvp.

Asymmetrical pvp is fun. If you give the weaker side opportunities to have the same gear/stats/stealth. And still can achieve victories.

Really fun to switch to the smaller side. Hardcoded pvp stats with stat caps at 150 in pvp and maximum 5 lvl range difference on pvp atk/def/resist regardleswould of character lvl would achieve this. Unresistable nukes. And no exp death from mobs. Everyone respawns in full gear. Bind only in melee bindpoints only. Let weaker forces pell raid targets, ks, train, etc.

[bomaroast]

If we're going to continue with non-classic P99, then I'd like to see a server with raid limits. 40-50 people should be the max.

[Rager and Quitter]

I'd like to see the P99 source code open sourced, so that we can get some devs who want to make the server classic, including raids, charm and spell interrupts.

Charming on TAKP is wayyy different. If you have a mob or two beating on you, good luck getting a spell off. Huge difference.

[Jimjam]

To those upset about asymmetrical pvp.

Asymmetrical pvp is fun. If you give the weaker side opportunities to have the same gear/stats/stealth. And still can achieve victories.

Really fun to switch to the smaller side. Hardcoded pvp stats with stat caps at 150 in pvp and maximum 5 lvl range difference on pvp atk/def/resist regardleswould of character lvl would achieve this. Unresistable nukes. And no exp death from mobs. Everyone respawns in full gear. Bind only in melee bindpoints only. Let weaker forces pell raid targets, ks, train, etc.

Carebear pvp with no xp loss / corpse runs could be pretty cool!

[Rager and Quitter]

Carebear pvp with no xp loss / corpse runs could be pretty cool!

That's probably the only way you could get the normal player base to give PvP a try. One of the worst things about getting PvP on Red, especially with blatant cheating, is them corpse dumping you deep in a dungeon where it took you a while to grind down with full gear. Then you gotta get real fucking sketchy by hoping you survive a handful of run, root, camp sequences to get back to your corpse, just to be griefed again. If at least you spawned with your shit, it wouldn't be so soul crushing for PvP, and would actually make it more fun. The PvP CR is painful.

[MrSparkle001]

To those upset about asymmetrical pvp.

Asymmetrical pvp is fun. If you give the weaker side opportunities to have the same gear/stats/stealth. And still can achieve victories.

Really fun to switch to the smaller side. Hardcoded pvp stats with stat caps at 150 in pvp and maximum 5 lvl range difference on pvp atk/def/resist regardleswould of character lvl would achieve this. Unresistable nukes. And no exp death from mobs. Everyone respawns in full gear. Bind only in melee bindpoints only. Let weaker forces pell raid targets, ks, train, etc.

Unresistable nukes? Hello wizard teams. Cast ice comet on my mark, 3-2-1-nuke!

But I like the rest of it if it's server-wide and not just for the smaller team. There's NO way to make teams even in a game with teams. In DAOC on my server it was Midgard that was most populated and strongest, on other servers it was Hibernia. In Elder Scrolls Online it was Ebonheart Pact early on then Aldmeri Dominion. It will never be even.

[totmanc]

That's probably the only way you could get the normal player base to give PvP a try. One of the worst things about getting PvP on Red, especially with blatant cheating, is them corpse dumping you deep in a dungeon where it took you a while to grind down with full gear. Then you gotta get real fucking sketchy by hoping you survive a handful of run, root, camp sequences to get back to your corpse, just to be griefed again. If at least you spawned with your shit, it wouldn't be so soul crushing for PvP, and would actually make it more fun. The PvP CR is painful.

Ive played on red99 NEVER have i seen anyone cheating. I run around un anon on all my chars and nobody comes and PvP's I am not in the zerg raiding guild. The oh he ran up and found me shit not hard. Example you zone into Guk and see 3 people 40+ in upper guk you will know they are at one of three spots in zone. Can do that for every zone its not hard.

[Rager and Quitter]

Ive played on red99 NEVER have i seen anyone cheating. I run around un anon on all my chars and nobody comes and PvP's I am not in the zerg raiding guild. The oh he ran up and found me shit not hard. Example you zone into Guk and see 3 people 40+ in upper guk you will know they are at one of three spots in zone. Can do that for every zone its not hard.

While I can accept that YOU haven't seen anyone cheat, does not mean it doesn't happen. But the only realistic scenarios are that you're either really lucky, horribly inobservant, or lying. I have seen numerous boxers, had players admit to using tracking software, script, etc. It happens a lot, and the fact you haven't encountered it is remarkable. Not to mention I rarely, rarely ever see people without at least /roleplay on. I think the only person who do3s that regularly is Guava, if he even plays still.

[PlsNoBan]

I'd like to see the P99 source code open sourced, so that we can get some devs who want to make the server classic, including raids, charm and spell interrupts.

I've been saying this for years. Not necessarily so another dev could make a "more classic" server but just in general. P99 has a super solid base that if made open source could spawn some really cool spinoff projects with different ideas and mechanics for people with different tastes. It might cause some people in this community to have an aneurysm but I'd wager that a p99 spinoff with some MINOR added QoL and instances would be fairly popular with a good number of folks that prefer that type of gameplay. Some kind of happy medium between P99 and TLP's. Or how about P99 based server with additional custom endgame content? There's a boatload of possibilities but for one reason or another the powers that be have decided they don't want this to be a reality.

The reason why they refuse to go open source is a big sketchy question mark for me. If this whole project's entire purpose was to just create a "museum" as close to classic as possible and was a strictly not for profit fan made project (as has been stated and as per the legal agreement between P99 and Daybreak) then what's the reason for closed source? Generally things are closed source because of monetary and anti competitive reasons.

[Bardp1999]

Generally things are closed source because of monetary and anti competitive reasons.

https://i.imgur.com/d9XLfVX.gif

[Rager and Quitter]

https://i.imgur.com/d9XLfVX.gif

Are you saying you poop your pants when you talk to the cops?

[Gustoo]

I've been saying this for years. Not necessarily so another dev could make a "more classic" server but just in general. P99 has a super solid base that if made open source could spawn some really cool spinoff projects with different ideas and mechanics for people with different tastes. It might cause some people in this community to have an aneurysm but I'd wager that a p99 spinoff with some MINOR added QoL and instances would be fairly popular with a good number of folks that prefer that type of gameplay. Some kind of happy medium between P99 and TLP's. Or how about P99 based server with additional custom endgame content? There's a boatload of possibilities but for one reason or another the powers that be have decided they don't want this to be a reality.

The reason why they refuse to go open source is a big sketchy question mark for me. If this whole project's entire purpose was to just create a "museum" as close to classic as possible and was a strictly not for profit fan made project (as has been stated and as per the legal agreement between P99 and Daybreak) then what's the reason for closed source? Generally things are closed source because of monetary and anti competitive reasons.

I think one thing is that you can take the current open EQ EMU server stuff, and make your own database using the P99 wiki.

So I dunno. I think those theoretical spin off projects are pretty doable for anyone who actually had the time and skill to create one.

[Old_PVP]

To those upset about asymmetrical pvp.

Asymmetrical pvp is fun. If you give the weaker side opportunities to have the same gear/stats/stealth. And still can achieve victories.

Really fun to switch to the smaller side. Hardcoded pvp stats with stat caps at 150 in pvp and maximum 5 lvl range difference on pvp atk/def/resist regardleswould of character lvl would achieve this. Unresistable nukes. And no exp death from mobs. Everyone respawns in full gear. Bind only in melee bindpoints only. Let weaker forces pell raid targets, ks, train, etc.

Carebear pvp with no xp loss / corpse runs could be pretty cool!

That's probably the only way you could get the normal player base to give PvP a try. One of the worst things about getting PvP on Red, especially with blatant cheating, is them corpse dumping you deep in a dungeon where it took you a while to grind down with full gear. Then you gotta get real fucking sketchy by hoping you survive a handful of run, root, camp sequences to get back to your corpse, just to be griefed again. If at least you spawned with your shit, it wouldn't be so soul crushing for PvP, and would actually make it more fun. The PvP CR is painful.

If this is what it takes to get more people interested in PVP, then I'd be all for it. I know the average bluebie must have tried PVP at one point in their gaming life and enjoyed it, whether it was WoW pvp or another game. However for some reason, a lot of people have this weird aversion specifically to EverQuest PVP.

So water it down a little bit, make it easier for the carebears... thats fine. It would still be an absolute blast. They could even make custom teams & have lockout timers to prevent people zerging back into the fray with all your gear.

It would solve ALL problems that currently plague blue & green in the process.

[PlsNoBan]

I think one thing is that you can take the current open EQ EMU server stuff, and make your own database using the P99 wiki.

So I dunno. I think those theoretical spin off projects are pretty doable for anyone who actually had the time and skill to create one.

The amount of time and work involved in doing this is significant. So much so that very few choose to actually take a shot at it and even fewer actually create anything decent. If P99 was fully open source anyone with the skills could whip up a clone and make some tweaks and be up and running with a viable and unique project of their own that might cater to a different audience or be the solution to some folks disappointment with certain aspects of P99.

What I'm getting at is what's the incentive for P99 to stay closed source? If there's no money involved why not just let the community go wild and do what they want?

[totmanc]

While I can accept that YOU haven't seen anyone cheat, does not mean it doesn't happen. But the only realistic scenarios are that you're either really lucky, horribly inobservant, or lying. I have seen numerous boxers, had players admit to using tracking software, script, etc. It happens a lot, and the fact you haven't encountered it is remarkable. Not to mention I rarely, rarely ever see people without at least /roleplay on. I think the only person who do3s that regularly is Guava, if he even plays still.


Literally I have LEAD raid guilds here I have never seen anyone using your tracking software you are coming across as psycho for even suggesting that. Boxers sure; blue is full of them too so is green. You are comming across as ultra deranged.

[Rager and Quitter]

Literally I have LEAD raid guilds here I have never seen anyone using your tracking software you are coming across as psycho for even suggesting that. Boxers sure; blue is full of them too so is green. You are comming across as ultra deranged.

Oh no doubt I'm deranged. As much as you. We are actively playing elf simulator, but more than that we're sitting on forums talking about elf simulator during a time when we probably can't play elf simulator if we wanted to (at work, at school, fucking our anime pillows, etc.). My little brother used to use the very shit I'm talking about, and I've had way, way too many instances of people finding me across Norrath in seemingly impossible ways.

[cd288]

If this is what it takes to get more people interested in PVP, then I'd be all for it. I know the average bluebie must have tried PVP at one point in their gaming life and enjoyed it, whether it was WoW pvp or another game. However for some reason, a lot of people have this weird aversion specifically to EverQuest PVP.

So water it down a little bit, make it easier for the carebears... thats fine. It would still be an absolute blast. They could even make custom teams & have lockout timers to prevent people zerging back into the fray with all your gear.

It would solve ALL problems that currently plague blue & green in the process.

The problem with red isn’t an aversion to EQ pvp, it’s the players on red that are a problem; they literally grief any new players endlessly and run them off the server. And then they complain that no one will come play with them lol

[Chortles Snortles]

sorry you got pvp'd
(lol)

[Rager and Quitter]

The problem with red isn’t an aversion to EQ pvp, it’s the players on red that are a problem; they literally grief any new players endlessly and run them off the server. And then they complain that no one will come play with them lol

It's funny how apparent it is to everyone but the actual R99ers. Probably because they're so used to seeing and exuding that behavior that it's the norm for them. A handful of those players here are the forums are being disingenuous by saying that's not the case, or just flat out lying hoping new players will join the server so they can have their 30 minutes of fun before the newbies give up.

I even love when they say "oh yeah, everyone join, we'll PL you and gear you, bring your whole guild, we'll set them all up" then when you join and /ooc "hey guys, I'm new!" You get a string of "fuck you!"s and "go back to blue, you baby bitch!" Super warm, and chill, and welcoming, just like they say lol

[bomaroast]

sorry you got pvp'd
(lol)

I too tried red when it opened. I was playing a monk and could not find anyone to group with. A ranger made it his mission to hunt me down every time I logged on. I had no recourse to snare + arrows. A dozen deaths over a weeks time and that was it for me. If that's what pvp on red is, then I'm good.

[Viscere]

I wonder what Rogean thinks when reading this, and it has any influence at all on him

[MrSparkle001]

I was with Chewie and the Flowers back in the day and had fun, but Red is toxic and now dead.

It might work as a teams server, maybe. Just maybe.

[Rager and Quitter]

I wonder what Rogean thinks when reading this, and it has any influence at all on him

Lol, no GMs read this garbage. They haven't given a shit about anything outside of lawyerquesting raiding on Blue for at least 5 years.

[starkind]

I bet Rogean is pokesan and obsessed. 🤓

[Croco]

Lol, no GMs read this garbage. They haven't given a shit about anything outside of lawyerquesting raiding on Blue for at least 5 years.

Lol yeah about that. Gm's don't give a shit about raiding on blue and haven't for a while.

[Allishia]

Hoping they merge green into blue and price of beads come down /nod :)

[Chortles Snortles]

PraS CT