Waking the Sleeper is a **** move

[Mullethead409]

It's not meaningful raid content.. it's the top guild purposefully preventing the rest of the server from content. P99 is supposed to be a place to experience everquest as it was, by waking the sleeper you change a server permanently to remove content that only the top guild at the time can ever experience, it goes against the core principle of p99 in my view.

GMs shouldn't allow it. :(

Idea: The sleeper should only be awoken as a GM event where after a period of time it would be reset.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Waking the Sleeper is the exact same thing as any other time limited content such as Manastone. The only difference is the timer is player controlled, rather than dev controlled.

You could easily say keeping the Sleeper sleeping is blocking all players who want to do the Essence Lens quest. There are only a few good Warder items, and for some classes the Essence Lens quest is better than any Warder loot. So you can't really use the "blocking content" argument, since content is blocked in both situations.

[cd288]

As someone who is not in a top raiding guild I have no problem with them waking the sleeper. It’s a cool event and it’s completely classic. You just want to farm warder loot so you’re annoyed, don’t cry about it.

And frankly them waking the sleeper is meaningless. Even if they didn’t they would still lock you out of farming the warders. You think they’d get bored of that or something? Lol fat chance

[Tunabros]

As someone who is not in a top raiding guild I have no problem with them waking the sleeper. It’s a cool event and it’s completely classic. You just want to farm warder loot so you’re annoyed, don’t cry about it.

And frankly them waking the sleeper is meaningless. Even if they didn’t they would still lock you out of farming the warders. You think they’d get bored of that or something? Lol fat chance

this is like saying I'm not born in India so I don't care about Indian politics

lol

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you don’t got

[Ozzonelayyer]

"As someone who is not in a top raiding guild I have no problem with them waking the sleeper."

Sour grapes?

[Flexin]

I am so excited to get my essence lens rewards while wielding my primal

[MrSparkle001]

Well after they do there's no real reason to keep Green separate from Blue anymore is there? Maybe that's also the beginning of merging the servers. Aside from UI what's the big difference between the servers after the Sleeper awakes?

Genuine question because I still don't know why they split the server pop, other than maybe people were getting bored on Blue and wanted a new start.

[sajbert]

I don't care. It was known from the getgo that warder loot was gonna be exclusive to 1-2 guilds and the players that could throw away enough of their life to get there.
Well after they do there's no real reason to keep Green separate from Blue anymore is there? Maybe that's also the beginning of merging the servers. Aside from UI what's the big difference between the servers after the Sleeper awakes?

Genuine question because I still don't know why they split the server pop, other than maybe people were getting bored on Blue and wanted a new start.

I have no interest in competing with old blue guilds. Just because Seal Team's trip is done doesn't mean the ride is done for the rest of us who are still looking to get into ToV and Sleepers Tomb.

[layhousehours]

dont wake daddy

[MrSparkle001]

I have no interest in competing with old blue guilds. Just because Seal Team's trip is done doesn't mean the ride is done for the rest of us who are still looking to get into ToV and Sleepers Tomb.

Ok yes that's very true. A more crowded server is more competition. It's good for low levels and grouping and bad for high end competition.

Since I exist in a perpetual low level state I think it will be good when the servers finally merge :)

But also consider that when the servers do merge there should be an all new Green server to start over again and poopsock, which means all this worrying about Warders and the Sleeper means nothing if everyone is just gonna start over again anyway, right?

[Delekhan]

If we wanted to have an honest conversation regarding the Warders, consider for a moment that they are a 6day +-24hr respawn, meaning it's a 48-hour window. Now I don't know about you guys but my socks aren't that big. :)

So with the above, it should be clear that competitive Warders is obviously not a long-term endeavour. That leaves you with rotations. With that in mind, how do you prevent 18 disaffected or competitive Everquest players of any guild to adhere to such an arrangement? Ok, don't kill Ventani ever again, and that will work for a time (the current approach). So what happens when there are 300 or 400 keys on the server and it's trivial to rally 45 people to kill Ventani? Waking is inevitable and we've barely been able to keep it asleep as is.

I hope that gives some insight into the matter. Emotions are clearly at an all-time high, but there's far more to this than pixels. Banter aside, it would be helpful to understand that you can only control this situation for so long. Eventually either you wake it as a guild or someone does it for you. It does not matter what guild you belong to, if it were in Kingdom in this position, they would be facing the very same issues.

That's about all I will say on this matter. I respect everyone's point of view.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

So what happens when there are 300 or 400 keys on the server and it's trivial to rally 45 people to kill Ventani? Waking is inevitable and we've barely been able to keep it asleep as is.

Yup, this is the inevitable problem with Sleeper. When the server gets enough keyed players, it gets harder and harder to keep the Sleeper sleeping. He could even be awoken accidentally. Not everybody understands the Warder mechanic, and the more keyed players there are, the more likely an up and coming guild makes a mistake.

[Ooloo]

Honestly I kinda respect ST for not waking it sooner. It's definitely part of the game, and like it or not they earned it. On the other hand, they've been kinda floundering lately so it feels kind of anticlimactic, like oh hey yeah I guess let's do it now.

[sajbert]

Honestly I kinda respect ST for not waking it sooner. It's definitely part of the game, and like it or not they earned it. On the other hand, they've been kinda floundering lately so it feels kind of anticlimactic, like oh hey yeah I guess let's do it now.
Nobody else is even close to waking him. ST could farm this shit for longer. My guess is that if true that they're about to wake the old bugger that they're just tired of raiding and did what they set out to do. Once you got your masks, primals and fungi robes u don't give a shit.

[Phraxas]

That or people realize, socking 3 golems on a 3 day +/- 24hrs, 3 warders on a 6 day +/- 24hrs, key mobs, Vulaks, Doze. Just isn’t healthy nor is it fun for anyone. Then you ask or say, well rotate them. And my question is why? Why would anyone want to deal with a raid leadership that pulls the things Anarke and McGanahan have in this recent era.

Pre Velious I was actually asking if we’d rotate warders, and after the continuous “GMs don’t count seconds.” Yeli stalls, LTK exit trains (don’t get it twisted ST has done things also) the classic “control your raid mob” I don’t feel bad for kingdom, they chose to ignore key mobs for 7 months, and when they decided to compete the Kill 1 Concede 2 atmosphere began and just wasn’t pretty.

**Disclaimer** These our opinions of the author alone, please take them as such

[adruidarkly]

If your guild is now suddenly tired of these "fun social socks chatting with pals waiting for dragons" why not *gasp* stop doing them if you don't want to? That's what other guilds do. You know, let life take precedent over a game?

[adruidarkly]

That or people realize, socking 3 golems on a 3 day +/- 24hrs, 3 warders on a 6 day +/- 24hrs, key mobs, Vulaks, Doze. Just isn’t healthy nor is it fun for anyone. Then you ask or say, well rotate them. And my question is why? Why would anyone want to deal with a raid leadership that pulls the things Anarke and McGanahan have in this recent era.

Pre Velious I was actually asking if we’d rotate warders, and after the continuous “GMs don’t count seconds.” Yeli stalls, LTK exit trains (don’t get it twisted ST has done things also) the classic “control your raid mob” I don’t feel bad for kingdom, they chose to ignore key mobs for 7 months, and when they decided to compete the Kill 1 Concede 2 atmosphere began and just wasn’t pretty.

**Disclaimer** These our opinions of the author alone, please take them as such

Propaganda.

[Phraxas]

If your guild is now suddenly tired of these "fun social socks chatting with pals waiting for dragons" why not *gasp* stop doing them if you don't want to? That's what other guilds do. You know, let life take precedent over a game?

Don’t forget that disclaimer my friend

[bradsamma]

Ok yes that's very true. A more crowded server is more competition. It's good for low levels and grouping and bad for high end competition.

Since I exist in a perpetual low level state I think it will be good when the servers finally merge :)

But also consider that when the servers do merge there should be an all new Green server to start over again and poopsock, which means all this worrying about Warders and the Sleeper means nothing if everyone is just gonna start over again anyway, right?

Seal Team about to learn what it's like to be the bottom bitch of the server. Vanquish will destroy them. Heck, even riot would demolish them in their current state.

[coki]

If we wanted to have an honest conversation regarding the Warders, consider for a moment that they are a 6day +-24hr respawn, meaning it's a 48-hour window. Now I don't know about you guys but my socks aren't that big. :)

So with the above, it should be clear that competitive Warders is obviously not a long-term endeavour. That leaves you with rotations. With that in mind, how do you prevent 18 disaffected or competitive Everquest players of any guild to adhere to such an arrangement? Ok, don't kill Ventani ever again, and that will work for a time (the current approach). So what happens when there are 300 or 400 keys on the server and it's trivial to rally 45 people to kill Ventani? Waking is inevitable and we've barely been able to keep it asleep as is.

I hope that gives some insight into the matter. Emotions are clearly at an all-time high, but there's far more to this than pixels. Banter aside, it would be helpful to understand that you can only control this situation for so long. Eventually either you wake it as a guild or someone does it for you. It does not matter what guild you belong to, if it were in Kingdom in this position, they would be facing the very same issues.

That's about all I will say on this matter. I respect everyone's point of view.

Sorry everyone we can't trust our own guild members to not be dicks and secretly wake it behind our back? Give me a break! and stop blowing smoke up the entire servers ass

[Phantomius]

Seal Team should never had been allowed to exist either way. They ruined the game for everyone and have managed to get many people in my guild and probably others.

[Toxigen]

sorry you care too much about silly things in life

hope this helps

[Abukii]

Sorry you wasted 7 months never touching a key mob then ST keys got loot counciled on top of no warder loot. Hope this helps

[Local]

Seal Team unfortunately has fostered such a toxic, me-first, entitled culture over the years that members of their own guild wanted to deny pixels to the rest of the server, even at the expense of denying those same pixels to their own guildmates. When your entire value proposition as a guild consists of “get loot”, this is the byproduct. None of the other top guilds on this server would ever imagine having a significant portion of their guild willingly screw over another significant portion of their guild because they have created cultures where people care for each other more than they care for protecting or making exclusive their own pixels. But again, when you spend your entire guild history attracting and accommodating the most toxic people and the most selfish behavior on the server, you ultimately realize the ties that bind you are loose and frayed, and you end up acquiescing to the same toxic behavior the rest of the server has railed against from Seal Team for years.

Reaping and sewing go hand in hand. Enjoy whatever comes next for you, Seal Team. You’ll have earned it.

[Steven01]

Someone has logs for all the Seal Team Members that woke him.. Hoping they post it soon

A special congrats.. hopefully some denied rezes and all :D

I am butt hurt and not ashamed of it

[nilzark]

Did people really stand around so they could be killed by the sleeper?

[chevy79bu]

this is like saying I'm not born in India so I don't care about Indian politics

lol

I am not born in India, so I don't give a shit about their politics...yes your right.

[Toxigen]

I am not born in India, so I don't give a shit about their politics...yes your right.

show bob remove ur cloth

[Geaux]

...and I feel fine!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

[Graahle]

Every Sleeper thread for the rest of Green's thread will be full of posts from players who never had a realistic shot of getting a ST key in the first place. Oh, and Warder loot is way fucking overrated.

btw, TLP >

[Coridan]

I could care less about Warder loot but doing it at 2am GMT on a weekday is fucked up. I was hoping to see it.

[Tunabros]

I am not born in India, so I don't give a shit about their politics...yes your right.

the analogy is that if you dont raid on here casual or hardcore, you shouldnt have an

opinion on it

because it doesnt apply to you

[bomaroast]

This is me being thankful I haven't logged on in over a year.

[sajbert]

I could care less about Warder loot but doing it at 2am GMT on a weekday is fucked up. I was hoping to see it.

This is the resl truth of it. Seal Team is an embarassing guild. Weak end of an era by a weak guild.

[Aprisle]

just go play on a nonclassic emu..

don't see the big deal, you likely understood the mechanic when you decided to play here

EDIT:

Also there are population metrics available online. It was done during the most populated time. Sorry you live in an inconvenient time zone.

All it was, was a bunch of weirdos taking pride in killing a mob that fights Kerafyrm and intentionally harmonying/disrupting the zone prior to Kerafyrm coming, then it despawning

FTE on the triggered Yelinak (whom is supposed to drop no loot) went to a guild who intentionally levels and powerlevels on green (awarding DKP on blue) to disrupt our server for some sort of leverage on blue raid policies, (as written in there guilds message of the day on blue) so thats cool too.

[coki]

All it was, was a bunch of weirdos taking pride in screwing over the server and denying people content by waking the sleeper


There fixed it for you

[Aprisle]

its literally the end of the timeline, people knew 3 years ago what they had to do to experience sleepers tomb. go play on another emu

[Old_PVP]

https://i.imgur.com/rGIsnl6.gif

[Goldknyght]

Waking the Sleeper is the exact same thing as any other time limited content such as Manastone. The only difference is the timer is player controlled, rather than dev controlled.

You could easily say keeping the Sleeper sleeping is blocking all players who want to do the Essence Lens quest. There are only a few good Warder items, and for some classes the Essence Lens quest is better than any Warder loot. So you can't really use the "blocking content" argument, since content is blocked in both situations.

This is the most ignorant statement ive read on this subject. the manastone was an item the devs deemed was to OP for anyone to have and patched it out. Everyone i know who knows anything about the items from sleeper says this was a D*** move if the game is locked classic. And i guess you could say ST just wanted to patch it out, but the devs arnt the community, ST is. So with that being said the community should of had a vote.

[Goldknyght]

its literally the end of the timeline, people knew 3 years ago what they had to do to experience sleepers tomb. go play on another emu

Well end of a timeline, starts a new one. IE LUCLIN. This is locked classic, the timeline doesnt get to end as its stagnant in velius. so go try another ridiculous argument.

[Oggy]

This is the most ignorant statement ive read on this subject. the manastone was an item the devs deemed was to OP for anyone to have and patched it out. Everyone i know who knows anything about the items from sleeper says this was a D*** move if the game is locked classic. And i guess you could say ST just wanted to patch it out, but the devs arnt the community, ST is. So with that being said the community should of had a vote.

There is two arguments regarding a vote I can see here:

1) The Community Vote; Is it not fair to say that everyone in the community had a vote when they decided on what type of game they wanted to play? Seal Team voted by prioritizing sleepers tomb keys and in ~10 months since Velious launch amassed 200+ keys giving up Veeshan's Peak, KT/Dain, and tons of classic targets. The second largest mass of keys is Kingdom with ~25 keys.

The opportunity to amass a force, a community of people you enjoy playing with, and go play the game the way you want is available to every one of us. Some people choose to do a thing that has upset you and I hear you on your frustration.

Suggested actions in the next progression server are to vote with your actions and shape Norrath the way you choose.

This is why I love Everquest and wish all the MMOs that follow had actions/consequence mechanics that shaped the virtual world based on player made decisions. Many of us who enjoy this genre of game (MMO) know that wasn't always the case in later games which is why we likely play on P99.

Bless you and RIP Brad! <3

I have HIGH hopes for Monsters & Memories where player actions will shape the world in a multitude of ways!! (https://monstersandmemories.com/) A team of some original EQ Devs, some of which are current players of p99 are developing it.

2) The Sleepers Tomb keyed player vote; Kingdom has 10% the keys Seal Team does. I feel confident in saying that 10% didn't want to wake it...that still leaves the other ~90%. Even with assuming some on that 90% didn't want it awoken in modern times this is defined as a "supermajority". (Supermajority is 67%-90% of the vote).


These are just my viewpoints and certainly do not have to be yours, but I thought it might be helpful to voice it.

[Coridan]

Also there are population metrics available online. It was done during the most populated time. Sorry you live in an inconvenient time zone.


The time wouldn't have been a big deal at all if it had been on a weekend.