EQ vs WoW

[Kurtanius21]

I know this comparison has been beaten to death. I want to beat it some more, because I currently am playing both simultaneously. I have a 64 Warrior on Classic Burning Crusade live Servers, and I also have a 57 clr on blue. I'm playing both literally on the same day. My feelings when comparing the two.

1. EQ has far better race/class variety. There's just more races to choose from, more specialized classes, and their art style and lore is more intriguing. WoW really draws from Alliance vs Horde and the undead are like their own emo rebel group, tolerated by the horde.

2. WoW has a far superior way of buying/selling items on the player marketplace. I remember Luclin's AH. It was awful, you had to keep your computer on to be in the auction house AFK.

3. Newbie experience is a toss up. WoW has a fantastic quest system and works well introducing new players, but Everquest feels more unique. WoW newbie zones are excellent, but all the same practically, they may look different, but EQ has wildly different newbie starting zone experiences. Humans and Barbs don't see very well. Everfrost has deadly roamers and is isolated. Gfay has a nearby lowbie dungeon. Paineel has a high end dungeon right next to the newbie zone. Starting alts in EQ is fun, IF you know what you're doing. Starting alts in WoW is not so exciting.

4. EQ has unquestionably superior music. Almost nothing is memorable in WoW, maybe Stormwind, and that's it. Akanon, Kelethin, Qeynos, Neriak, Combat music, BARD GUILD qeynos, etc.

5. WoW has better dungeon experiences. I love EQ dungeon crawling, but WoW is better. They are instanced, you get to fight to the end, and they are themed extremely well. It's dungeon crawling vs slowly moving your camp forward.

6. Grinding. This is my biggest gripe with WoW. The monster difficulty does not change as you level. Grinding my 63 warrior feels nearly exactly the same as when level 10. It still takes about 30 seconds to kill a monster, and i still lose roughly half my hp. There's no real sense of danger in the world. This is where EQ shines. I love how the monsters feel more and more deadly the higher up you go. They hit casters so hard, and you need to learn the classes well to progress. WoW is just the same the entire way.

7. Playerbase is about equal. WoW has more teenager-esque insults and toilet humor. Everquest P1999 has more polite and sophisticated vocabulary insults. I would say WoW is more lively though. When you say something in OOC in WoW, people will respond. EQ a lot of times people care little to respond.

8. I enjoy the world of Norrath more than Azeroth/outlands. Norrath is more colorful, varied, and exciting to explore. Azeroth/outlands is too easy, not as colorful, not as perilous. WoW does have better dungeons imo, though.

I enjoy EQ slightly more than WoW, but I do wish the beast master was back in EQ pre-luclin. That was my favorite class. WoW is great when I want to just get in and play. I don't have to claim camps, find a group, or worry about corpse runs. But WoW does not give me exhilaration like EQ does.

[Jibartik]

EQ is real life, wow is a video game.

[eqravenprince]

To sum up, WoW is a themepark. EQ is a world.

[Jibartik]

EQ is literally real life everything else is just the commute

[Atmas]

EQ was based off a fast paced DnD experience and left a lot up to the players to figure out. Partly because they probably felt that's how it should be and partly due to time/human resource constraints. A lot of stuff with EQ was being figured out for the first time.

Wow came out many years after EQ and was much more polished. It had a big budget and a dev team that learned a lot from EQ. Wow is way more hand-holdy.

Overall I liked EQ more because it was more challenging and the mechanics offered the opportunity to use more ingenuity. The risk in trying something was much more substantial. Also, the limited information made it much more of an adventure.

I do appreciate that WoW was less buggy and some of the quality of life stuff was nice. PvP wasn't an afterthought. The thing that I hated about WoW was the homogenization of already limited classes. Everyone wearing the same gear was pretty boring too.

[unsunghero]

WoW’s pvp is worlds better, so much better it isn’t even a comparison. I do agree that WoW has better designed dungeons and raids although no WoW dungeon I’ve ever been in has been able to re-create the concern/fear that some of EQ’s do, like the first time in Guk (or I’m told somewhere like Howling Stones which I never got to see before I quit). This is partly due to EQ having CR’s, so a mechanics difference not necessarily only a dungeon difference

WoW is easier to the point of being boringly easy at times. Hence why if you don’t consistently engage in pvp in WoW you really are depriving yourself of most of the game’s actual challenge

[Ripqozko]

Anarchy online was better then both. Hope that helps .

[Chortles Snortles]

really luvd classic wow era PvP
learned to appreciate the true fear/wonder of EQ via emu again

theme park vs world is apt

[Gustoo]

Every MMO that predates WOW was pretty great. And wow sucks.

[Gustoo]

Anarchy online was better then both. Hope that helps .

Is there something wrong with present day anarchy online?

[starkind]

The best mmos are where players forever remain frail and easily killed and the world is rich and full of secrets. Like real life :p

[Tunabros]

I am enjoying wow classic more than p99 ever ngl

you guys made p99 not fun anymore

[branamil]

Wow unfortunately got disney-fied. You are put on a theme park ride where your story is strictly controlled with guard rails. Basically zero exploration

[Ripqozko]

Anarchy online was better then both. Hope that helps .

Just dated and pop is gone, it’s as old as Eq . Great game tho and best twink system with implants.

[Naethyn]

Everquest is great, and still going, but nothing in all my gaming will match wow pre bg's on a pvp server. Shit was wild.

[eladrimar]

Dark Age of Camelot > WoW & EQ.

[Bardp1999]

Dark Age of Camelot > WoW & EQ.

DAoC was shit

[unsunghero]

Everquest is great, and still going, but nothing in all my gaming will match wow pre bg's on a pvp server. Shit was wild.

Yup

One of my fondest gaming memories of all time was when I was playing vanilla WoW for the first time and some red con warrior who was 20 levels higher tried to gank my hunter in Stranglethorn

I was able to peel him and realized once I got out of intercept range with aspect of cheetah on, he could never catch me nor could he get away (warriors just sorta sucked 1v1 what can I say). I had to kite him from the S side of the zone to the North using only serpent sting DoT and the occasional bow shot to damage him and it took like 15 min

When he got to 30% health he was probably thinking oh fuck this guy can actually kill me but couldn’t mount up because I was keeping him in combat

When I killed him I was yelling “that’s fuckin right! 20 levels higher ain’t shit!”

[Terrok]

WOW was made for 95% of America who wants everything handed to them, doesn't want to work for anything, but sucks at FPS, so they play wow, google detoxx if you don't know what this means.

Alot of people who played wow, didn't want to 100% neglect their wives and children, but still wanted to get away from them for a few hours a day. Its like a work release from prison.

EQ was popular for people who wanted to play a game have fun and get rewards for their hard work. Back when the word epic meant something, not just used to describe their taco bell experience.

[slard271]

EQ is like edging. It's good, then it's great, then it's fucking amazing. Then you do it again the next day. Just sayin'.

[Robot]

Hence why if you don’t consistently engage in pvp in WoW you really are depriving yourself of most of the game’s actual challenge

Agreed. I think EQ is overall the better game but WoW PVP was a lot of fun. Played WoW classic relaunch that happened just before/near green launch on Herod had a ton of fun.

[Rust1d?]

Just dated and pop is gone, it’s as old as Eq . Great game tho and best twink system with implants.

AO was fun till patch 12.6 when they chased away 75% of the population

[Zendir]

WoW sucks.

End of line.

[mattydef]

EQ and WOW will always be my personal favorite games of all time. If I’m not playing one I’m playing the other.

[Zendir]

EQ and WOW will always be my personal favorite games of all time. If I’m not playing one I’m playing the other.

EQ and the Wing Commander games are my faves

[applesauce25r624]

lots of shitters in this thread that couldn't pull off a solo DMT run if their life depended on it

[mycoolrausch]

Vanilla WoW rogues are so much better and more fun than EQ rogues. Really fun class.

Mages also way better than wizards, but that's hardly fair since wizards in velious are complete trash, except recently in this late terminal stage p99 where people do un classic kiting and stack more copies of bane than existed in live.

Classic WoW as a whole though....i played it on release and had some fun but it isn't the same a second time around as classic EQ. The game is so on rails it's min-maxed to death. People didn't stop and enjoy the dungeons and skipped straight to clearing MC in green gear of the monkey. The on rails encounters are boring once you've mastered them.

Was an amazing game back in the day though.

EQ's infinite depth with the infinite combo of unbalanced classes and abilities, and infinite paths to take to get to an infinite number of goals gives the game much more longevity.

[Wrei]

WoW is a more modern MMO and largely based off of EQ so can't really compare them in terms of game mechanics and polish.

The biggest difference is WoW has hardly no replay factor on your main character.

In P99 you could sink 2000 days in /played, have a nice nest egg of high end items and plat, then for w/e reason in real life you take a break. 4 years later when you come back, your 800k is still more or less valuable, your fungi is still a fungi etc..

In WoW you sink 2000 days, your main will have pretty much bis in every slot, high pvp rank and that's about it. You raid once a week, then if you don't enjoy the mindless pvp grind, your options is to start a new character at lvl 1. There's no purpose to run your raided main into instances due to non raid items being irrelevant. What's worse is if you take a 4 year break, the dude that started playing 8 months ago already has better gear than your main. This is even before EQ introduced AA.

Some people never get to see the insides of ToV and are more than happy farming their little favorite spot and twinking their 8th characters in EQ. This is why EQ neckbeards will always come back to this game, while those that take a break from WoW might never come back.

[Arvan]

Wow is fisher price everquest. About as deep as a kiddie pool

[Stroboo]

I loved WoW pvp and still miss it sometimes but overall WoW is just simple compared to EQ. Instanced dungeons sucked, what risk was there? WoW itemization sucked. High end EQ itemization, specifically clickies and associated fashion is just unmatched.

[Eyry]

WoW is definitly easy mode but Wrei hit the nail on the head. I took a 2-3 year break from WoW, came back and found my level 60 warlock was now level 30 and all the top tier armor I had was worthless. What a joke.

EQ has always been a constant. Great game, dangerous, and required more skill. Not just a mashing button contest and jumping around enemies.

Since others are on tangents, I will say that I had high hopes for SWG. I played the hell out of that game before they completely changed everything, then they went easy mode.

DAOC was fun, but got sorta Meh.

But like I said, I always come back to EQ. Have not played live in over 14-15 years and honestly dont care too. I started disliking the game when they redid the graphics and added Plane of knowledge to where anyone could get around anywhere, lame. Pissed me off when i saw the Ogre model.

[Tunabros]

I currently just got back into wow and I have to say it's super easy mode

I'm about 70 hours in and level 40 ish on my blood elf paladin. People are surpirseling

super nice to new players. i've gotten so many offers to boost me for free and gotten

tons of free gear from players in my casual guild. Have to say the pvp is toxic as shit

I killed a Draenei shaman and he proceeded to call his friends over to camp my corpse

and teabag me

but other than that, this game is easy mode compared to eq

but EQ is way more memorable and rewarding

I already have my first epic item while on eq it will take ages to get one

[unsunghero]

I currently just got back into wow and I have to say it's super easy mode

I'm about 70 hours in and level 40 ish on my blood elf paladin. People are surpirseling

super nice to new players. i've gotten so many offers to boost me for free and gotten

tons of free gear from players in my casual guild. Have to say the pvp is toxic as shit

I killed a Draenei shaman and he proceeded to call his friends over to camp my corpse

and teabag me

but other than that, this game is easy mode compared to eq

but EQ is way more memorable and rewarding

I already have my first epic item while on eq it will take ages to get one

If you’re gonna gank you gotta stay moving. People will be looking for revenge. They won’t need to even call friends or guildmates, just recruit people in the zone chat

I also recommend not ganking in an area you want to quest at. Get your quests all done, then gank someone on your way out if u want

[unsunghero]

In regards to pvp in classic WoW, when I was playing it a few years ago on a pvp server, everyone seemed to have a live and let live attitude. Everyone was so focused on getting to max level as fast as possible, I would say 90% of people didn’t want to pvp. I was in that category, I was never super into low level pvp, I wanted to rush to max level and get into a raid guild, get raid geared strictly to be able to kill players with better, and then do solo BG’s to pvp. So for me it was rush to raid gear to be able to kill players with, that was my focus

So the way I did it was to feel out the alliance around me when leveling. I would sorta hover around one and not pull any mobs (in case they did try to kill me I planned to fight back and didn’t want to have a mob on me) keeping myself in view to see their reaction. Sometimes I’d walk up and /wave. Generally if it was a lone alli around my lev, they didn’t want any trouble. A /wave back meant we’re cool, then sometimes they’d even help out with adds or what not. The problem came when it was a group of alli, numbers gave them confidence and made them more aggressive, generally I would avoid trying to exp solo around groups of alli

There were roving tanks squads but as a hunter I avoided them by always keeping a sharp on eye on track humanoids. I could see them farther away than they could see me, and could turn on cheetah and stay out of their view for hours and hours. I remember hearing about them killing every horde in the zone, but they never got me. And these were alli 20+ levels higher, so it wasn’t worthwhile to try to group up with other horde to take them out, it was too large a level disadvantage, better to just avoid them

I think I died to players maybe like 4 times total from levels 1-60. I only killed a handful of alli as well, and it was almost always because they wanted the same mining node as me. That was something I would fight to the death over, I’m getting that node over your dead body

Low level pvp really isn’t all that great in WoW, certain classes unlock certain clutch talents and get insane power spikes, and it’s frustrating to be getting killed by sweaties who are 20+ levels higher, I recommend just keeping your nose to the grindstone, rushing to max lev and good gear, then setting up as fair of fights as you can in world pvp or doing BG’s. I was never someone to kill people who were low on health or had a mob on them. I would let them kill the mob and get to full health before I engaged, and still sometimes these pussies wouldn’t fight back. That always baffled me

[Tunabros]

it's definitely a fun game for sure but I just wish items were more rewarding to get

I was getting upgrades for my gear like once per hour lol

[Bardp1999]

Need the WoW/EQ hybrid. Hardcore grind and EQ rules/gear with WoW type gameplay. Pantheon isn't going to be it.

There is someone kinda trying to do this (literally) but it will be a private WoW server bull shit type thing and not a developed game. I was in their discord for a while but I cant find the link now - shits been in development for a long time, not sure its ever really happening

[Robot]

In regards to pvp in classic WoW, when I was playing it a few years ago on a pvp server, everyone seemed to have a live and let live attitude. Everyone was so focused on getting to max level as fast as possible, I would say 90% of people didn’t want to pvp. I was in that category, I was never super into low level pvp, I wanted to rush to max level and get into a raid guild, get raid geared strictly to be able to kill players with better, and then do solo BG’s to pvp. So for me it was rush to raid gear to be able to kill players with, that was my focus

So the way I did it was to feel out the alliance around me when leveling. I would sorta hover around one and not pull any mobs (in case they did try to kill me I planned to fight back and didn’t want to have a mob on me) keeping myself in view to see their reaction. Sometimes I’d walk up and /wave. Generally if it was a lone alli around my lev, they didn’t want any trouble. A /wave back meant we’re cool, then sometimes they’d even help out with adds or what not. The problem came when it was a group of alli, numbers gave them confidence and made them more aggressive, generally I would avoid trying to exp solo around groups of alli

There were roving tanks squads but as a hunter I avoided them by always keeping a sharp on eye on track humanoids. I could see them farther away than they could see me, and could turn on cheetah and stay out of their view for hours and hours. I remember hearing about them killing every horde in the zone, but they never got me. And these were alli 20+ levels higher, so it wasn’t worthwhile to try to group up with other horde to take them out, it was too large a level disadvantage, better to just avoid them

I think I died to players maybe like 4 times total from levels 1-60. I only killed a handful of alli as well, and it was almost always because they wanted the same mining node as me. That was something I would fight to the death over, I’m getting that node over your dead body

Low level pvp really isn’t all that great in WoW, certain classes unlock certain clutch talents and get insane power spikes, and it’s frustrating to be getting killed by sweaties who are 20+ levels higher, I recommend just keeping your nose to the grindstone, rushing to max lev and good gear, then setting up as fair of fights as you can in world pvp or doing BG’s. I was never someone to kill people who were low on health or had a mob on them. I would let them kill the mob and get to full health before I engaged, and still sometimes these pussies wouldn’t fight back. That always baffled me

This is like exactly the opposite my classic WoW experience. I was in those roaming gank squads. I started pvping and always sought out pvp even from a low lvl. It took me an extremely long time to hit 60 compared to some of my more PVE centered friends because of it but I had a great time. Once I hit 60 all I did was PVP and never looked back, maybe sprinkle in a raid here or there for an item upgrade just to use in PVP. I remember sitting in blackrock mountain for hours, just a never-ending back and forth slaughter between horde and alliance raids coming in. Missed green launch because I was rank 12 going for rank 14 and didnt have time to stop and start up on green or I woulda never made rank. Hit rank 14 and played for maybe a week and never logged in again once I started up on green server.

[unsunghero]

This is like exactly the opposite my classic WoW experience. I was in those roaming gank squads. I started pvping and always sought out pvp even from a low lvl. It took me an extremely long time to hit 60 compared to some of my more PVE centered friends because of it but I had a great time. Once I hit 60 all I did was PVP and never looked back, maybe sprinkle in a raid here or there for an item upgrade just to use in PVP. I remember sitting in blackrock mountain for hours, just a never-ending back and forth slaughter between horde and alliance raids coming in. Missed green launch because I was rank 12 going for rank 14 and didnt have time to stop and start up on green or I woulda never made rank. Hit rank 14 and played for maybe a week and never logged in again once I started up on green server.

Damn, yea, that is a lot of pvp. Props on rank 14. It is one of the most difficult grinds ever created in MMO history, and definitely caused a lot of burnout

I hit rank 14 back when I played vanilla. I continued to keep playing after long enough to crank out some pvp vids, I’ll link the last vid I made, it has some blackrock action. I never wanted to do that grind again, so when I played classic I only did pvp casually, mostly solo BG’s

World pvp is fun but it’s hard to get fair fights. Never been into lopsided encounters either where we are steamrolling or getting steamrolled due to huge number differences. Was more into competitive BG’s and then later arenas in TBC

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O8uudmIFZG0

[unsunghero]

I was able to put up some good scores on the ultra-rare occasions I could get PuG vs PuG BG’s in classic, and this was just in T1 raid gear with epic quest bow, a far cry from the r14 gear I had in vanilla WoW

Classic BG’s for some reason turned into a full-premade-only meta. I ran in an undefeated (out of hundreds of matches) WSG premade back in vanilla, where we would challenge other servers in our battlegroup to get their 10 best WSG players and keep queueing until we got the same queue as them and then smoke them 3-0. But I wasn’t that hardcore in classic WoW

Some of the pug va pug BG’s I could get in classic, my char was same as my vanilla char just with an extra s. Last pic was classic char’s gear (nothing to write home about, but enough to tear it up in solo BG’s)

[MaCtastic]

Shadowbane was better. When an internet tough guy threatens to knock your teeth out, you could just go sac their guild tree.

[Teako]

Damn, yea, that is a lot of pvp. Props on rank 14. It is one of the most difficult grinds ever created in MMO history, and definitely caused a lot of burnout

I hit rank 14 back when I played vanilla. I continued to keep playing after long enough to crank out some pvp vids, I’ll link the last vid I made, it has some blackrock action. I never wanted to do that grind again, so when I played classic I only did pvp casually, mostly solo BG’s

World pvp is fun but it’s hard to get fair fights. Never been into lopsided encounters either where we are steamrolling or getting steamrolled due to huge number differences. Was more into competitive BG’s and then later arenas in TBC

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O8uudmIFZG0



Did you really make a montage of playing a hunter in PvP during the time set where hunters were the single strongest class in all aspects of PvP? Where scat/trap had quite literally no counterplay on a 15 second CD that started immediately with a 10s duration and no DR - leaving 5 seconds of window to attack per scat/trap + aimed+mana drain or aimed+conc directly into another scat-trap for unreturnable damage? Even playing a Troll so you had free hit% and berserking for burst windows in PvP? You literally min/maxed the most braindead class in the entire game.. then made montages out of it. The only way I would respect this even less is if you had continued making the same videos into TBC where Hunters got even easier to play.

Oh honey. No. Just no. When you bowl with the bumpers on you don't get a trophy for bowling a 300.

[unsunghero]

Did you really make a montage of playing a hunter in PvP during the time set where hunters were the single strongest class in all aspects of PvP? Where scat/trap had quite literally no counterplay on a 15 second CD that started immediately with a 10s duration and no DR - leaving 5 seconds of window to attack per scat/trap + aimed+mana drain or aimed+conc directly into another scat-trap for unreturnable damage? Even playing a Troll so you had free hit% and berserking for burst windows in PvP? You literally min/maxed the most braindead class in the entire game.. then made montages out of it. The only way I would respect this even less is if you had continued making the same videos into TBC where Hunters got even easier to play.

Oh honey. No. Just no. When you bowl with the bumpers on you don't get a trophy for bowling a 300.

Orc is better min/max race for the stun resistance. Scatter trap had DR with each other in 1.12 when I filmed that

What else? Oh yeah I was top 10 ranked in 3v3 and rank 1 in 5v5 TBC where our team had around a 90% winrate. For a short while we had the highest 5v5 rank out of US, EU, and Asia servers

Cry on

[unsunghero]

Also, you can’t viper sting mana drain a freezing trapped target. It’s considered a DoT tick and breaks freezing trap

Shadow priests are vicious in 1v1 scenarios because of this, so the best play is indeed to viper them oom but to do it while kiting outside of your max range with cheetah (they have the same 41yard range with their spells as I do)

But yeah a well played hunter was a powerhouse in vanilla and TBC. But then again so was mage and lock was arguably stronger. I could never 1v1 beat my HWL warlock friend who eventually became my 3v3 arena partner when he was SL/SL spec, too tanky

[Naethyn]

I played hunter on release and snarler had 100 to all resists. I went engineering and gnomish invis device made the pet invulnerable to attacks. The best pvp build was a mix of stuns, avoidance, melee, with snares that root and scattershot. True rogue destroyer.

[unsunghero]

In regards to east to play, in TBC arenas I was utilizing 55 different hotkeys and micromanaging a pet. If a class is so easy why didn’t you pick it up for easy free glad titles? Did you get any? I got gladiator x2, arena master (2200+ rating in 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5)

Hunters were not easy to excel on, but did do well if the person knew what they were doing, and you didn’t do well not because of the class you picked but because you were bad. So to feel better about being bad you blamed your class

[unsunghero]

I played hunter on release and snarler had 100 to all resists. I went engineering and gnomish invis device made the pet invulnerable to attacks. The best pvp build was a mix of stuns, avoidance, melee, with snares that root and scattershot. True rogue destroyer.

No stuns, BM spec was best for leveling only, it had intimidation stun

You prolly mean scattershot, which isn’t a stun but a disorient that is broken by damage. The best pvp spec was something like 3-5 pts in BM foe humanoid slaying, 31 in MM for true shot aura/scattershot, and Survival tree down to 5/5 entrapment and deterrence

The best pet for pvp was any cat with a 1.2 attack speed like mine, The Rake, or ideally Brokentooth which had a 1.0 attack speed, which I didn’t want to bother camping so never got it. I preferred the look of The Rake cat more, and the tiny difference in attack speed was negligible

The reason u wanted the fastest attack speed pet was for spell pushback, the rapid fire hits made it hard for casters to get spells off with pet hitting, the pet’s damage was largely irrelevant

In TBC this changed, the best pet became scorpid due to it having a poison DoT. The poison damage was irrelevant but because it and our mana drain, viper sting, were both poisons it meant that shamans, Druid’s, and paladins poison dispel had a chance of hitting the scorpid poison instead of viper string. This meant they would have to waste a global cooldown on another cast of their dispel and a potential additional viper sting tick to eat more of their mana. But I wouldn’t rely on draining out mana to win, that was noob shit. I would coordinate CC’s with partner and gib someone out. But regardless scorpid was the arena pet due to the poison, which was known as “masking” viper

I also got around 2100 with a warlock wearing blue quest gear in 3v3 for fun because I was used to playing pet classes at that point, so it translated well

[Naethyn]

100 to all resists was the best pet for pvp. The rake was a pve pet and would get polymorphed by mages. Snarler was never polyd.

The stun I meant was:
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=10588/goblin-rocket-helmet
Also amazing snare:
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=4413/schematic-discombobulator-ray
Clicking this meant a pet was invulnerable to melee dmg:
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=4397/gnomish-cloaking-device

I absolutely dominated any duel outside iron forge.

[Naethyn]

BG's forever changed wow pvp servers. The best pvp in wow was just before BG's open world farming ranks.

[unsunghero]

100 to all resists was the best pet for pvp. The rake was a pve pet and would get polymorphed by mages. Snarler was never polyd.

The stun I meant was:
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=10588/goblin-rocket-helmet
Also amazing snare:
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=4413/schematic-discombobulator-ray
Clicking this meant a pet was invulnerable to melee dmg:
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=4397/gnomish-cloaking-device

I absolutely dominated any duel outside iron forge.

Ah so this is an era difference. When the game first came out pets had unique resistances, this was quickly changed and they all had the same resistances that were instead changed to something you had to use your pet talent points on. You could choose between resistances, hp, armor, etc to allocate your points to

HP was king when it came to pet points after the change. It was not possible even when putting all your points into a resistance type to become immune to that type. So the best use of your pet points after the change was to put the bulk in HP, then the rest in either frost or shadow resist. This was because they were the type of magic that mages (frost nova) and warlocks (fear) used for their attempts to peel or damage your pet. But like I said, it wasn’t possible for a pet to come even close to immune to these types anymore, they could only become slightly more resistant. If you didn’t put lots in HP, the pet would be dying to AoE’s like crazy

And yea, engineering was a near-requirement for pvp, I agree. No other trade skill came close. I had 300 engi, and would be spending 100’s of gold on grenades when ranking up doing BG’s

[unsunghero]

BG's forever changed wow pvp servers. The best pvp in wow was just before BG's open world farming ranks.

The epic back and forth southshore/tarren mill battles lol

My first char was actually a gnome rogue, named Battery (my friend who quit was named assault so we were going to be assault and battery, after he quit my name made no sense lol)

I got him to around rank 11 doing world pvp at 60 dagger spec with the hardest hitting pre-raid dagger, the Barman shanker from BRD

I became quite notorious on my first server Kel’Thuzad, not nearly as much as I did later on Nathrezim, but people were mentioning on the server forum look out for Battery lurking around tarren mill

I even thought up a rogue opener which hadn’t been discovered yet for rogues, mentioned it on the class forums, and it made it to the World of Ming blog, a hugely popular WoW site. I was mentioned there again years later when we came up with our unique (at the time) 5v5 arena team combination, Ming mentioned us again on his site

When I quit my rogue and switched to horde hunter, BG’s were already out and of course world pvp sort of dried up when that happened. So I really only got to experience the epic world pvp on rogue, but then did a few years ago in classic on my hunter, which was fun nostalgia

[unsunghero]

I think the opener I thought of when the game came out was cheap shot, then immediately vanish into ambush then cold blood eviscerate

Cheap shot would give 3 combo points, ambush would fill out the next 2, then a cold blood (guaranteed crit talent) 5 point evis would do huge damage

The only 2 hits are the ambush and eviscerate, but ambush with dagger talents had like a ~70% crit rate and would crit for like 1k with the barman shanker, 5 point CB evis would be another like 1200ish damage if I recall

The game was just out so there was a lot of theorycrafting going on, and people on the rogue forums didn’t believe you would have enough energy to get the ambush off before cheap shot stun faded, so I made a vid to prove you could and didn’t need to use thistle tea

It was an effective way to 2shot gank anyone who was at or below 2300ish health, any time you had vanish cooldown up

[w1zard]

EQ is like edging. It's good, then it's great, then it's fucking amazing. Then you do it again the next day. Just sayin'.

Most succinct and accurate description of EQ I've ever read 11/10.

[Teako]

Orc is better min/max race for the stun resistance. Scatter trap had DR with each other in 1.12 when I filmed that

What else? Oh yeah I was top 10 ranked in 3v3 and rank 1 in 5v5 TBC where our team had around a 90% winrate. For a short while we had the highest 5v5 rank out of US, EU, and Asia servers

Cry on

Literally everything you said in your triple cry post was wrong. Original classic viper sting was not treated as a DoT tick and didn't break freeze.

Your video shows you able to double scat trap more efficiently, you just didn't play smart enough to do it. You can literally see it the entire video, freeze trap hits for 9s with 15s cd and 6s on scat with no DR, giving a 5s window of dps once aimed shot lands out of trap.. You just weren't good enough.

Stun resist is irrelevant compared to maxing hit with racial + scope and not having to prio it at all on any gear - especially if you participate in the barest minimum of pve content.

TBC hunter is quite literally memed as the easiest of all things to play in the entirety of gaming history. It was one button, with zero movement required. There's videos of a person throwing marshmellows at their keyboard bound to a steady shot arcane shot macro and hitting Gladiator.

I gladiatored twice as Rogue, twice as Hunter, once as Warrior, and once as DK before WOTLK end. People who are talented don't make videos showing them utilizing the broken class to beat people in generic pvp scenarios, they stay focused on improving. I literally won two AGC's in WOTLK.

Best pet in TBC was never scorpid.. Shows how mid you were. Lightning blast from wind serpents ignored LOS and scaled with ranged AP. Could also KC from ranged outside of LOS if it was casting lightning blast when you used the ability in classic. It was not just known, it was wildly known and used by every gladiator hunter because killing through LOS is king.

Also, Hunters were/are quite literally the top dps class in TBC both original and re-launch.. utilizing one button. There's no "50 button pet micromanagement" setup. You're just stupid.

Honestly, you're a really weird dude.

[unsunghero]

Literally everything you said in your triple cry post was wrong. Original classic viper sting was not treated as a DoT tick and didn't break freeze.

Your video shows you able to double scat trap more efficiently, you just didn't play smart enough to do it. You can literally see it the entire video, freeze trap hits for 9s with 15s cd and 6s on scat with no DR, giving a 5s window of dps once aimed shot lands out of trap.. You just weren't good enough.

Stun resist is irrelevant compared to maxing hit with racial + scope and not having to prio it at all on any gear - especially if you participate in the barest minimum of pve content.

TBC hunter is quite literally memed as the easiest of all things to play in the entirety of gaming history. It was one button, with zero movement required. There's videos of a person throwing marshmellows at their keyboard bound to a steady shot arcane shot macro and hitting Gladiator.

I gladiatored twice as Rogue, twice as Hunter, once as Warrior, and once as DK before WOTLK end. People who are talented don't make videos showing them utilizing the broken class to beat people in generic pvp scenarios, they stay focused on improving. I literally won two AGC's in WOTLK.

Best pet in TBC was never scorpid.. Shows how mid you were. Lightning blast from wind serpents ignored LOS and scaled with ranged AP. Could also KC from ranged outside of LOS if it was casting lightning blast when you used the ability in classic. It was not just known, it was wildly known and used by every gladiator hunter because killing through LOS is king.

Also, Hunters were/are quite literally the top dps class in TBC both original and re-launch.. utilizing one button. There's no "50 button pet micromanagement" setup. You're just stupid.

Honestly, you're a really weird dude.

Lol viper has always broke freezing trap. You never in the history of WoW been able to freeze trap a target and drain them oom with viper without them being able to move. It’s a lie. If you want to pay me $15 I can fire up my WoW account and log in my classic char and prove it

Nm, here you go “Serpent Sting and Viper Sting will break the trap early but Scorpid Sting will not. While still a good practice, it is no longer necessary to call off your pet for a Freezing Trap or any CC which can be broken by damage”

https://vanilla-wow-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Freezing_Trap#General

Scattershot is a 4a disorient not a 6s

What else are you wrong about. Scorpid was the pet in TBC for competitive arenas. I would know, like I said I’m a 2 time gladiator and top 10 ranked in 3v3 and rank 1 in 5c5 What’s your credentials again? Care to actually prove any?

Hunters were one of the lowest represented dps classes in top ranked arenas. The number one was rogue, then mage, then lock, then war, THEN hunter. The top represented 3v3 team at above 2200 rating was RMP, then RLD, then WLD. Weird, considering you think hunters are both OP and easy to play, odd that they had such low representation

I used 55 hotkeys TOTAL, not all for pet

You don’t know shit about WoW pvp. You’ve always sucked at it at and were a no name scrub in arenas

[unsunghero]

My bad, missed the part where you said you got glad. Still wrong about everything else

[unsunghero]

Let’s see proof of those titles

[unsunghero]

Also let’s see the video of that guy throwing marshmallows at his keyboard hitting gladiator somehow. That sounds hilarious, I’d love to see it but can’t find it on YouTube

Hunters require no movement? Lol

This sounds like some weak ass troll attempt. All of it sounds like bullshit

[Toxigen]

Literally everything you said in your triple cry post was wrong. Original classic viper sting was not treated as a DoT tick and didn't break freeze.

Your video shows you able to double scat trap more efficiently, you just didn't play smart enough to do it. You can literally see it the entire video, freeze trap hits for 9s with 15s cd and 6s on scat with no DR, giving a 5s window of dps once aimed shot lands out of trap.. You just weren't good enough.

Stun resist is irrelevant compared to maxing hit with racial + scope and not having to prio it at all on any gear - especially if you participate in the barest minimum of pve content.

TBC hunter is quite literally memed as the easiest of all things to play in the entirety of gaming history. It was one button, with zero movement required. There's videos of a person throwing marshmellows at their keyboard bound to a steady shot arcane shot macro and hitting Gladiator.

I gladiatored twice as Rogue, twice as Hunter, once as Warrior, and once as DK before WOTLK end. People who are talented don't make videos showing them utilizing the broken class to beat people in generic pvp scenarios, they stay focused on improving. I literally won two AGC's in WOTLK.

Best pet in TBC was never scorpid.. Shows how mid you were. Lightning blast from wind serpents ignored LOS and scaled with ranged AP. Could also KC from ranged outside of LOS if it was casting lightning blast when you used the ability in classic. It was not just known, it was wildly known and used by every gladiator hunter because killing through LOS is king.

Also, Hunters were/are quite literally the top dps class in TBC both original and re-launch.. utilizing one button. There's no "50 button pet micromanagement" setup. You're just stupid.

Honestly, you're a really weird dude.

Guy knows what hes talking about from a pvp perspective.

Not top dps in pve though. Hope this helps.

[unsunghero]

“PvP. The best Pet for Arena will be a Scorpion. These beasts can train an ability called “Scorpid Poison” that will apply a debuff on the enemy, that stacks up to 5 times. If this is applied after a hunter applies Viper Sting, the enemy team will be unable to dispel the Viper Sting from themselves or their team”

https://www.gfinityesports.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-classic-tbc-what-are-the-best-hunter-pets/#aj5e547840c895

I know only the “really good” hunters like you that throw marshmallows at their keyboard don’t use scorpids tho amirite

[unsunghero]

Guy knows what hes talking about from a pvp perspective.

Not top dps in pve though. Hope this helps.

He’s wrong on every point he tried to make. Wrong about viper not breaking freezing, wrong on SS duration, wrong on freezing/ss dr, wrong on arena pet. Wrong on hunter arena representation. Wrong on their being a video of a hunter throwing marshmallows at a keyboard to get gladiator

Still interested to see proof of his titles

[unsunghero]

Gladiator representation in original TBC:

Season 1

Priest: 159 - 15.73%
Warrior: 144 - 14.24%
Warlock: 126 - 12.46%
Paladin: 121 - 11.97%
Rogue: 115 - 11.37%
Mage: 98 - 9.69%
Shaman: 88 - 8.70%
Druid: 63 - 6.23%
Hunter: 49 - 4.85%

Only 1k gladiators existed in this list for season 1, which had EXTREMELY low population compared to other TBC seasons.

SEASON 2

Priest: 454 - 15.24%
Warlock: 436 - 14.64%
Warrior: 428 - 14.37%
Rogue: 394 - 13.23%
Paladin: 285 - 9.57%
Mage: 275 - 9.23%
Druid: 274 - 9.20%
Shaman: 215 - 7.22%
Hunter: 117 - 3.93%

Nearly 3,000 gladiators made up this list.

SEASON 3

Rogue: 900 - 16.44%
Warrior: 775 - 14.16%
Druid: 768 - 14.03%
Priest: 732 - 13.37%
Warlock: 526 - 9.61%
Mage: 498 - 9.10%
Shaman: 406 - 7.42%
Paladin: 393 - 7.18%
Hunter: 284 - 5.19%

With 5473 Gladiators, Season 3 was the most played season in Original TBC.

SEASON 4

Rogue: 858 - 16.84%
Druid: 775 - 15.21%
Warrior: 688 - 13.50%
Priest: 643 - 12.62%
Warlock: 582 - 11.42%
Mage: 460 - 9.03%
Shaman: 362 - 7.11%
Paladin: 331 - 6.50%
Hunter: 246 - 4.83%

With over 5,000 gladiators, Season 4 was still heavily populated.

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20101126113725/http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=216925

[unsunghero]

What else can I dunk on, just waiting on proof of those titles I guess

[Gustoo]

I think we all concluded that everquest is better than wow =/

[unsunghero]

I gladiatored twice as Rogue, twice as Hunter, once as Warrior, and once as DK before WOTLK end

I’ll offer preemptively, that if Teako doesn’t want to spend the $15 to log in his blizz account and screenshot proof of those titles, I’ll offer to refund him the $15 via cashapp afterwards

[unsunghero]

“Troll is the best Classic WoW Horde Hunter race for PvE, while Orc or Tauren is the best Classic WoW Horde Hunter race for PvP”
https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/hunter-dps-classic-wow

“When it comes to PVP the Best Race for Hunters is Orc for sure, with Racial Traits like Command, Hardiness and Blood Fury it’s an easy choice”
https://rankedboost.com/world-of-warcraft/classic-pvp-hunter-build/

“The best Horde Hunter race for PvE is Troll, while for PvP or a mix of PvP and PvE, the best race is Orc”
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-classic/hunter-dps-pve-guide

[unsunghero]

Wrong on literally everything

[Toxigen]

I killed M'uru 1.0 in early May of 2008.

[unsunghero]

Waiting on Teako to come in and say that:

1. The guides about best pvp race for hunter are wrong, even though they are the biggest WoW sites in existence

2. The guides online (and I can find more) about the best arena hunter pet being scorpid are wrong

3. The archived vanilla WoW description of how viper sting breaks freezing trap is wrong

4. The posted GLADIATOR class representation from seasons 1-4 (and we can go beyond these if he’d like, hunters stay near the bottom as the seasons continue) are all wrong

5. The fact there exists a video, which can’t be found on Google or YouTube, or even any information about it, of some guy throwing marshmallows at his keyboard to hit gladiator on a hunter. Absolutely ridiculous made up bullshit

6. That high rated arena players didn’t ever make pvp videos, another ridiculous bullshit lie. Quite a lot of top rated arena players made pvp vids that can be found on YouTube, especially before Twitch became big

Any other bullshit lies I missed?

[Tunabros]

blood elf paladin is now lv 43 kek

[starkind]

Kek is the jaffa word for weak death.

[Tunabros]

shut up dumbass

[Reiwa]

I killed M'uru 1.0 in early May of 2008.

Hmm is that the one with all the elf adds? I don't think we killed that til after the big nerf patch.

Did kill the pyromancer ladys before it!

[unsunghero]

Hmm is that the one with all the elf adds? I don't think we killed that til after the big nerf patch.

Did kill the pyromancer ladys before it!

I believe the original version was insane, something like nigh-unkillable

I don’t follow pve but that name sounds familiar as one of the most difficult bosses ever made in WoW before it was nerfed

[Robot]

plops sounds familiar, did you play an orc shaman on the most recent wow classic servers?

[unsunghero]

plops sounds familiar, did you play an orc shaman on the most recent wow classic servers?

Nah, my classic WoW char I posted a pic of a few pages back, was a troll hunter named Plopss on Smolderweb

[unsunghero]

Hey you guys wanna see something cool that Teako has never and will never get?

This is the merciless netherdrake, which can only be gotten by getting Gladiator, which is the top 0.5% of the arena ladder. How’s that for mid-tier?

I also posted proof a few pages back that hunters had the LOWEST gladiator representation of ALL classes the season when I got this. Despite Teako saying that hunters were super easy and overpowered to play

Where’s yours Teako?

[unsunghero]

Want to see more cool stuff? This is the vengeful netherdrake (basically just a re-skin), I believe this was from getting gladiator season 3 of TBC arenas

Hunters were also the lowest represented class in arenas at gladiator rank this season, despite Teako claiming they were so OP and easy to play

Remember how he said some guy could get gladiator by throwing marshmallows at a keyboard? Yeah that was complete bullshit

Just like his claims that he got gladiator

[unsunghero]

And this is the swift netherdrake, the reward for gladiator season 1 of arenas, when hunters had the lowest representation of all classes at gladiator

Sorry these aren’t in order

[unsunghero]

Those are for you to keep Teako. Next time you want to act like an internet tough guy that knows his shit, you can use take those pics and pretend they are yours to back up your bullshit lies

Also, remember those other points I debunked (with sources cited), so you sound less like an idiot next time you want to try to sound cool on the internet with no proof

[Toxigen]

I believe the original version was insane, something like nigh-unkillable

I don’t follow pve but that name sounds familiar as one of the most difficult bosses ever made in WoW before it was nerfed

We were one of four US guilds to do it pre-nerf.

Version 1.1 was officially known as the "guild killer" but 1.0 the negative energy effect also had spell pushback, making it even more insane.

[Toxigen]

Not being able to edit in rnf is dumb, double post:

0bZi5KWON38

[Chortles Snortles]

the last 5 pages i didn’t read is what’s wrong with WoW

[PlsNoBan]

There are some very impressive e-peens in this thread. I hope I can be as kewl as u guys someday and post pics of my internet video game accomplishments to pwn the noobs in elf forums.

[unsunghero]

There are some very impressive e-peens in this thread. I hope I can be as kewl as u guys someday and post pics of my internet video game accomplishments to pwn the noobs in elf forums.

Found Teako’s alt account. Sock puppeting accounts on the elf forums is sadder

[PlsNoBan]

Found Teako’s alt account. Sock puppeting accounts on the elf forums is sadder

I don't even know who Teako is. Please seek the help of a mental health professional.

[unsunghero]

the last 5 pages i didn’t read is what’s wrong with WoW

In classic some specs are kinda gimp

So if Tunabros is gonna commit to paladin, the only real good spec it is is Holy, but luckily it is extremely good in pve/pvp

holy pal in pve with even pre-raid bis and the right spec can heal for a crazy long time without oom’ing, like almost indefinitely. And pal buffs are the reason alli will always be better than horde on average in pve raids

And in pvp holy pal is a brick shithouse. Huge ac with plate + the ability defensive dispel makes them extremely durable. 1-2 well-played decently geared holy paladins can completely carry a bg. But on the flip side because ret is considered bad/meme both in pve/pvp, people will sometimes bitch especially in classic where everyone wants to min/max when they see ret paladins rather than holy in their bg. At least this is according to my cuz who played alli in classic

Just a heads up Tuna

[unsunghero]

I don't even know who Teako is. Please seek the help of a mental health professional.

I am a mental health professional

Find some new corny ass overused lines

[PlsNoBan]

I am a mental health professional

Find some new corny ass overused lines

Please seek the help of one that is better at their job

You're literally ebragging about your WoW mount to win elf forum arguments. Take a step back and a deep breath and re-evaluate your actions. Just tryin to help <3

[unsunghero]

Please seek the help of one that is better at their job

You're literally ebragging about your WoW mount to win elf forum arguments. Take a step back and a deep breath and re-evaluate your actions. Just tryin to help <3

I’ll explain because you seem to know this guy and want to stick up for his feelings, and are pretending that you don’t

I posted a pvp vid. He got a little jealous and came in and tried to act like he knew what he was talking about in regards to pvp and using that to attack the vid

What I noticed right away was that all his points were bs. The one that really solidified it is a claim that someone could get to where I got by throwing candy at a keyboard, which anyone who has ever pvp’d or even just has an idea of how it goes knows thats crap

So I challenged each point with evidence cited and then his credentials. And I showed my credentials because otherwise challenging would be hypocritical

Does that explanation satisfy you? I really appreciate the life coaching though, always open to more

[Chortles Snortles]

Dear live journal,
(lol)

[unsunghero]

Dear live journal,
(lol)

I apologize for giving this half-dead forum something to read for a day

Ima head back to off topic, come on down for some never ending political arguments

[layhousehours]

Dear live journal,
(lol)

bald short fat brown man still haunting project 1999 message board years after being exposed for being a drug addicted creep

[Bardp1999]

bald short fat brown man still haunting project 1999 message board years after being exposed for being a drug addicted creep

Funny because true - are you allowed within 500 ft of Kate Hayte yet or still wearing the ankle monitor?

[Skarne]

Is simple- WoW is better than EQ at PvP

EQ is better than WoW at PvE

Both are huge time sinks but one is free and the other isn't

[Ennewi]

Is simple- WoW is better than EQ at PvP

EQ is better than WoW at PvE

Both are huge time sinks but one is free and the other isn't

https://turtle-wow.org/

[Toxigen]

Is simple- WoW is better than EQ at PvP

EQ is better than WoW at PvE

Both are huge time sinks but one is free and the other isn't

Let me fix that PvE part:

WoW raiding is better than EQ raiding.

EQ PvE outside of raids is better than WoW.

[Tunabros]

Let me fix that PvE part:

WoW raiding is better than EQ raiding.

EQ PvE outside of raids is better than WoW.

actually agree with this lol

[Skarne]

Let me fix that PvE part:

WoW raiding is better than EQ raiding.

EQ PvE outside of raids is better than WoW.

ye i can agree with that too

[Teako]

Found Teako’s alt account. Sock puppeting accounts on the elf forums is sadder

Nah, I only post as myself and very very sparsely.

I post to point out hypocritical/fake people who over hype themselves and/or cheat. I've done this almost exclusively since pre-kunark blue.

Sorry you suck at hunter and you played the class with training wheels on but still sucked at it. I'm sure you posted like 15 times furiously about how hard your montage videos were to film and how bracketing your honor gains so you could hit HWL was super hard. I've done not only what you did, but significantly more on more classes that were nowhere near as braindead to play.

None of your pvp accolades mean anything to anyone and nobody cares.

What's ripbozo say? Hope that helps?

[unsunghero]

Nah, I only post as myself and very very sparsely.

I post to point out hypocritical/fake people who over hype themselves and/or cheat. I've done this almost exclusively since pre-kunark blue.

Sorry you suck at hunter and you played the class with training wheels on but still sucked at it. I'm sure you posted like 15 times furiously about how hard your montage videos were to film and how bracketing your honor gains so you could hit HWL was super hard. I've done not only what you did, but significantly more on more classes that were nowhere near as braindead to play.

None of your pvp accolades mean anything to anyone and nobody cares.

What's ripbozo say? Hope that helps?

Actually I posted proof of how everything you said was wrong, with sources cited

Including how my class was the least represented class in the game at gladiator ranking, despite you saying it is ez and OP

You have never gotten gladiator, you couldn’t get it if your life depended on it

You were a no name scrub in arenas

[Bardp1999]

EQ is not better at anything WoW does other than "being more time consuming and unforgiving". If WoW was camp-oriented, grindy, less forgiving, and not a theme park of bull shit quests it would be superior to EQ in every conceivable way.

The problem is normal people cant play a game like P99 so WoW catered to the masses (as they should have) - what they needed was a hard core server that acted more like EQ or UOs Seige Perilous for the real hardcore guys.

[Skarne]

WoW is better than EQ in every conceivable way when it comes to PvP

[Insomnia]

WoW is better than EQ in every conceivable way when it comes to PvP

If it wasnt such a pain in the ass for me to catchup on Live, Id be mostly pvping. I started good at the start of Shadowlands, but dropped off 2 months into it. Now? Forget about it, my Covenant is only lvl41 and my gear is on par with heroic dungeons/LFR

[unsunghero]

If it wasnt such a pain in the ass for me to catchup on Live, Id be mostly pvping. I started good at the start of Shadowlands, but dropped off 2 months into it. Now? Forget about it, my Covenant is only lvl41 and my gear is on par with heroic dungeons/LFR

Yeah this was a big issue with live. It was ridic hard to get pvp ready. If you went in without the proper setup (and I don’t follow live well enough to know what that would be), you would get steamrolled. And like I said it took a long time to get pvp ready on live

On classic it wasn’t that bad. You could grind up to a blue set of pvp gear doing BG’s and that was fine to do arenas to around 1800 for a weapon, then 2-2.2k for the epic arena gear

[Insomnia]

Yeah this was a big issue with live. It was ridic hard to get pvp ready. If you went in without the proper setup (and I don’t follow live well enough to know what that would be), you would get steamrolled. And like I said it took a long time to get pvp ready on live

On classic it wasn’t that bad. You could grind up to a blue set of pvp gear doing BG’s and that was fine to do arenas to around 1800 for a weapon, then 2-2.2k for the epic arena gear

Yeah it literally looks like the only way is if more towards the end of the expac, they do what they did similar in Legion with Artifact Power catchup and make it to where you can max it in a few days. Otherwise ill have to wait for the new expac to start to drop and try and keep up again. But if the next one is anything like BfA and SL, Ill probably just skip it. Wrath Classic is the only thing im waiting for anyways. Prot Pally for PvE and Holy for PvP. Will roll a blood DK for 60s bracket for ultimate lulz.

[Ennewi]

A combination if the two games would have had the goldilocks effect. Vanilla WoW with more classes inspired by EQ, and more risk vs reward.

[unsunghero]

Yeah it literally looks like the only way is if more towards the end of the expac, they do what they did similar in Legion with Artifact Power catchup and make it to where you can max it in a few days. Otherwise ill have to wait for the new expac to start to drop and try and keep up again. But if the next one is anything like BfA and SL, Ill probably just skip it. Wrath Classic is the only thing im waiting for anyways. Prot Pally for PvE and Holy for PvP. Will roll a blood DK for 60s bracket for ultimate lulz.

So I played at the very start of wotlk I think. Was that the expac with a new BG where you rode in siege engine vehicles up this beach to batter down walls and take this fort?

If so, they gave Ret a huge boost, mostly to burst damage, in that expac. I remember a paladin friend going ret and being able to outscore me in BG’s, which normally no one could do. And I remember in Skype he was saying how crazy Ret’s damage was. I quit partially into the first arena season but I remember hearing Ret was pretty viable for the first time in arenas in wotlk. I followed a little even after I quit and if I recall wotlk was the rise of cleave, the 2 melee+healer 3v3 teams whose entire strat was just sit on enemy healer’s face all match, little cc needed

So you could probably do Ret too, at least at the start of wotlk

[unsunghero]

I gladiatored twice as Rogue, twice as Hunter, once as Warrior, and once as DK before WOTLK end


/wave to all the lying posers in this thread who pretend to not read my challenge for proof of their claims because they don't have any

Shoulda picked a real life accomplishment to fake, woulda been harder to expose as a fraud

[PlsNoBan]

LOL this guy is still bragging about his mount. You should print out some pics of it and get them framed bro. That way in 30-40 yrs you can hang it up in ur assisted living facility and dunk on everybody

Pls stop embarrassing yourself

[unsunghero]

LOL this guy is still bragging about his mount. You should print out some pics of it and get them framed bro. That way in 30-40 yrs you can hang it up in ur assisted living facility and dunk on everybody

Pls stop embarrassing yourself

Don’t worry I brag about far more than that lol

Thanks for the estimate that I will live so long

[Bardp1999]

Mount looks gay, sorry you wasted a bunch of time

[Reiwa]

Don’t worry I brag about far more than that lol

Thanks for the estimate that I will live so long

I think you will outlive most of us.

Have fun with that

[unsunghero]

Mount looks gay, sorry you wasted a bunch of time

Didn’t do it for the mount. Didn’t even know the mount existed first season because rewards hadn’t been announced yet

And if we’re being critical, a re-skin for the next seasons is kind of a cop-out, design-wise

I did it to compete

[unsunghero]

I think you will outlive most of us.

Have fun with that

Health is just the slowest possible rate at which one can die, and the worst years are the last

Maybe I’ll be able to steal from stores and yell at children because people will assume I’m senile

[Bardp1999]

Health is just the slowest possible rate at which one can die, and the worst years are the last

Maybe I’ll be able to steal from stores and yell at children because people will assume I’m senile

Whatever you have to tell yourself, still sorry all the same :(

[unsunghero]

Whatever you have to tell yourself, still sorry all the same :(

You’re right, I did it for the reward I didn’t know existed, and then later told myself it was to compete

Your sympathy gets me through my day, Ty

[Skarne]

I actually want to point out that arenas don't really take much time...you can get a really good rating just doing 10 games per week if you win enough.

[MrSparkle001]

I got a Deathcharger's Reins in my third solo run through of whatever dungeon dropped it, and people thought I was lying about it. I didn't think it was that rare a drop.

And who even cares now? I haven't played WoW for like 13 years or whenever that Cataclysm expansion was released.

It was the Time-Lost Proto-Drake that took some time, and again why did I even bother lol. Why did I think stuff like that mattered?

[Skarne]

I got a Deathcharger's Reins in my third solo run through of whatever dungeon dropped it, and people thought I was lying about it. I didn't think it was that rare a drop.

And who even cares now? I haven't played WoW for like 13 years or whenever that Cataclysm expansion was released.

It was the Time-Lost Proto-Drake that took some time, and again why did I even bother lol. Why did I think stuff like that mattered?

Ye i'm with ya there man. I stopped completely after cataclysm. what a shit xpac.

[unsunghero]

I actually want to point out that arenas don't really take much time...you can get a really good rating just doing 10 games per week if you win enough.

Ya true. You generally needed to do your 10 games/week because if I recall you needed that to be eligible for your weekly arena point reward for your current rating, which you would then use to buy arena gear with. If you didn’t keep up with your 10 games/week, you’d start to fall behind the gear curve and disadvantage yourself

You also needed a certain % of the team’s total games to be eligible for titles at the end of the season, so it wasn’t possible to sit and be a bench-warmer on a team and get a title that way

The higher up you went in rating generally the less you’d want to queue beyond your minimum 10 games/week. Once you were near the top of the ladder, you’d be only winning like 2-3 rating sometimes and risking losing 25-30 to a team 200 rating below you. And arenas were kinda like MMA in that sometimes unfortunate stuff can happen even to the best teams and cause an unexpected loss, like how even the best MMA fighters can sometimes get caught and knocked out, especially at heavier weights

Also, if you cared about your rating, it was worth sometimes considering what you were queueing into. Skill mattered above all, but behind that was gear and team comp. Certain comps had advantages and disadvantages against certain other comps. It was generally considered a bad idea to continue queueing into only comps that had a strong advantage against yours due to class makeup. Sometimes it was better to call it a day and try again with a better spread of comps

[unsunghero]

I got a Deathcharger's Reins in my third solo run through of whatever dungeon dropped it, and people thought I was lying about it. I didn't think it was that rare a drop.

And who even cares now? I haven't played WoW for like 13 years or whenever that Cataclysm expansion was released.

It was the Time-Lost Proto-Drake that took some time, and again why did I even bother lol. Why did I think stuff like that mattered?

Deathchargers is super low drop rate, bet that was exciting when it happened tho

I think my most valuable mount is the one you get for going to blizzcon, but I shouldn’t have bound it to account and held onto the card for it. They sell in thousands $$ now due to scarcity :(

I only care inasmuch as I don’t like it when people claim something they can’t prove tbh. I’m big on honesty/integrity, I’ll always back up my claims with proof whether it’s WoW or RL

[Toxigen]

sorry you dont got top 50 world kills

hope this helps

[Teako]

/wave to all the lying posers in this thread who pretend to not read my challenge for proof of their claims because they don't have any

Shoulda picked a real life accomplishment to fake, woulda been harder to expose as a fraud

Holy shit you are pathetic. Why would I resub to a game, download the entire game + patches, log in, and mount.. take screenshots and upload them so some dork on a forum can e-jerk off to being inferior to me?

Nobody cares that you training wheels'd hunter in S1 TBC where it was literally so powerful that Marxy hit Gladiator while throwing marshmellows at his steadyshot/arcane/KC macros from across the room.

There's a reason that TBC re-launch had more hunters and druids than any other class in the game.. People knew the next time around they were the brain dead OP class. Same as classic Warriors.

Really. Seek help. Or.. just go away. Either way, I don't care.

[unsunghero]

Holy shit you are pathetic. Why would I resub to a game, download the entire game + patches, log in, and mount.. take screenshots and upload them so some dork on a forum can e-jerk off to being inferior to me?


Download takes 5 min. Sub I said I would send you the $ for via any electronic app you wish. So it costs you nothing

Why did I offer to do that? Because I knew you didn’t have proof. I knew you would bitch out with some canned excuses

Remember how you said you liked to expose hypocrites? That’s a little ironic now isn’t it, poser

[unsunghero]

Nobody cares that you training wheels'd hunter in S1 TBC where it was literally so powerful that Marxy hit Gladiator while throwing marshmellows at his steadyshot/arcane/KC macros from across the room

I got it 3 seasons, which is 3 more than you

Also, second part is a lie. Where’s the vid? Where’s the story of this Marxy?

In the adult world here, we require a little thing called proof or evidence

[Insomnia]

I got a Deathcharger's Reins in my third solo run through of whatever dungeon dropped it, and people thought I was lying about it. I didn't think it was that rare a drop.

And who even cares now? I haven't played WoW for like 13 years or whenever that Cataclysm expansion was released.

It was the Time-Lost Proto-Drake that took some time, and again why did I even bother lol. Why did I think stuff like that mattered?

Cataclysm was alright overall, they tried too hard at the start of the expansion making CC a necessary thing again and it just didnt work like it did with TBC. Pandaria, despite introducing the playable Pandas was a fantastic expansion all the way around, great pve and raids and the pvp was very balanced and some of the funnest I had since early Wrath. Plus it had Timeless Isle which on a pvp server was LOADS of fucking fun.

[unsunghero]

I got one final offer for Teako. If he either posts here or PM’s me either a Venmo, a PayPal, cashapp name, or whatever handle…as soon as I can I will send him $16 for the one month sub to log on his blizz account

I will do it ahead of time. He’s going to bitch out either way because he knows he doesn’t have proof, but this way he can walk away with $16 of my money. Consider it a charity donation, for the entertainment he provided me in exposing him as a fraud

(The download takes 5 min, blizz servers are fast, can just delete the game after, it will let you log on even if not patched)

It’s a good deal Teako, I’d take it

[unsunghero]

“I don’t have the money to continue”

I want to keep going. And I will loan you the money. And I don’t even need any of it back

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dnWwbqP6dV4

[PlsNoBan]

I want to keep going


https://i.imgur.com/VtuFbJ1.jpg

[MrSparkle001]

Deathchargers is super low drop rate, bet that was exciting when it happened tho

I think my most valuable mount is the one you get for going to blizzcon, but I shouldn’t have bound it to account and held onto the card for it. They sell in thousands $$ now due to scarcity :(

I only care inasmuch as I don’t like it when people claim something they can’t prove tbh. I’m big on honesty/integrity, I’ll always back up my claims with proof whether it’s WoW or RL

Wasn't as excited as you'd think. It was great to get but I didn't know how rare it was at the time, and I used flying mounts anyway. I was much more excited for the Time-Lost Proto-Drake.

Luckily now I don't care about videogame pixels anymore, to that extent anyway. They're meaningless, and those two mounts are my case-in-point.

[MrSparkle001]

Cataclysm was alright overall, they tried too hard at the start of the expansion making CC a necessary thing again and it just didnt work like it did with TBC. Pandaria, despite introducing the playable Pandas was a fantastic expansion all the way around, great pve and raids and the pvp was very balanced and some of the funnest I had since early Wrath. Plus it had Timeless Isle which on a pvp server was LOADS of fucking fun.

I started WoW at the beginning of WotLK. I only played the game for a year or two. It was fun but never quite scratched that itch like Everquest and Dark Age of Camelot did. I didn't like how Cataclysm changed the world and by then I was growing bored with the game anyway.

From there I moved on to Rift, stuck with that for a while, then on to Elder Scrolls Online and eventually uninstalled that too. Both those games IMO became bloated with DLC and expansions and began to focus too much on cash shop.

Classic Everquest is the only MMORPG that keeps me coming back, even if it's years between that itch. I've played a classic DAOC emulated server too but at the time it was still incomplete and nowhere near as popular as P99. I should fire that up too and see if they ever completed the Bonedancer class.

[unsunghero]

https://i.imgur.com/VtuFbJ1.jpg

Sorry dad

[unsunghero]

Wasn't as excited as you'd think. It was great to get but I didn't know how rare it was at the time, and I used flying mounts anyway. I was much more excited for the Time-Lost Proto-Drake.

Luckily now I don't care about videogame pixels anymore, to that extent anyway. They're meaningless, and those two mounts are my case-in-point.

Was the time lost proto drake as rare or something? I think I had quit before then

Yea, same. I don’t play any video games currently, P99 was my last

WoW was a fun time for me online but kind of a dark time IRL. I was sacrificing real life socialization for in-game notoriety, and also gaining tons of weight, especially during the r14 grind

For me I was able to transfer the video game addiction to fitness, and former gamers actually seem to do pretty well in that area due to their competitive nature and willingness to research strats and micro-manage many different RL health variables like they did with their characters

[Insomnia]

Was the time lost proto drake as rare or something? I think I had quit before then

Yea, same. I don’t play any video games currently, P99 was my last

WoW was a fun time for me online but kind of a dark time IRL. I was sacrificing real life socialization for in-game notoriety, and also gaining tons of weight, especially during the r14 grind

For me I was able to transfer the video game addiction to fitness, and former gamers actually seem to do pretty well in that area due to their competitive nature and willingness to research strats and micro-manage many different RL health variables like they did with their characters

Time Lost Proto Drake to this day is still a rare and hard mount to get. People on Low pop servers might be more lucky. But theres always people ready to pop in the second it seems its about to spawn.

[unsunghero]

Teako?

Hey no hard feelings buddy. I’m still willing to send you $20 as a little going away present for your credibility, just let me know what app handle to send it to, I’ll screenshot proof. You might be able to get 2 bus passes for it

Sorry Psi lifecoach, couldn’t help myself

[unsunghero]

*Plsnoban I’ve been bad again. Admonish me daddy

[PlsNoBan]

*Plsnoban I’ve been bad again. Admonish me daddy

I'm just tryin to help ya out. Every post you make is more and more cringe. I don't understand how you fail to see it and keep posting the same embarrassing shit over and over.

[unsunghero]

I'm just tryin to help ya out. Every post you make is more and more cringe. I don't understand how you fail to see it and keep posting the same embarrassing shit over and over.

Mostly just having fun, maybe a little rubbing it in

But I’ll stop now. That is unless Teako wants to come in at some future point talking shit again, then I’ll be…

[MrSparkle001]

Was the time lost proto drake as rare or something? I think I had quit before then

Yea, same. I don’t play any video games currently, P99 was my last

WoW was a fun time for me online but kind of a dark time IRL. I was sacrificing real life socialization for in-game notoriety, and also gaining tons of weight, especially during the r14 grind

For me I was able to transfer the video game addiction to fitness, and former gamers actually seem to do pretty well in that area due to their competitive nature and willingness to research strats and micro-manage many different RL health variables like they did with their characters

Was a dark time for me too, but depression mostly in my case. Was not easy to break out of that cycle of being depressed - playing games to allievate it and escape reality - becoming more depressed - playing games for longer to alleviate it. Was like drugs in a way.

Don't know what made me snap out of it but I literally did just that. One morning I woke up and decided out of nowhere to go finish my degree, I socialized and made friends again, and a few years later a successful career, a Cadillac, loving girlfriend, and games are now just a fun hobby in my spare time.

I even looked back on my post history here on these forums and was alarmed and ashamed at what I saw lol. That's not me, that's the old me. He's long gone.

[unsunghero]

I'm just tryin to help ya out. Every post you make is more and more cringe. I don't understand how you fail to see it and keep posting the same embarrassing shit over and over.

Oh I’ll address the embarrassing and cringe parts here

I have to disagree. But I’ll explain why. Granted, it is indeed a hassle to accept money from me, download the game, log in, screenshot, and upload proof of one’s claims. The entire process could take 15-20 mins

However

By coming back into the thread Teako demonstrated 2 things: 1. A desire to insult me (no judgement there I’ve had quite a lot of fun insulting him) and 2. A desire to save face after accusations by me by reminding myself and everybody reading that he does indeed have what he claims to have

Now what would be the ultimate both insult and face saving move? To present proof and shove it in my face

So when we consider the angle of “I’m too cool to have to show proof of my claims” and/or “you’re not worth it” angle he’s trying to lean into, it just doesn’t hold as much water considering he’s already demonstrated a desire to insult me and save face already

In retrospect, if he would have stayed gone and not come back in an attempt to save face, that would have been a better move. Or really, don’t lie about yourself on the internet to sound cool. That should be the real takeaway. Because someone is eventually going to call you on your bs, and then it’s really handy to have some way to prove it

[MrSparkle001]

Hmm this reminds me. I wonder if I have screenshots of my Deathcharger Reins and Time-Lost Proto-Drake? The game is long uninstalled but I tend to save screenshots and I do still have that old hard drive.

[unsunghero]

Hmm this reminds me. I wonder if I have screenshots of my Deathcharger Reins and Time-Lost Proto-Drake? The game is long uninstalled but I tend to save screenshots and I do still have that old hard drive.

You probably do

My quitting WoW story I guess is also a bit of a personal growth experience: the risks of being too type A/competitive

After we got and held rank 1, I was convinced we were the best in the US. This was a time WoW was possibly going to become an e-sport, and there was talk about teams getting sponsored. I was posting about our success on the official forums, and the consensus was that if you weren’t in battlegroup 9 (a collection of servers that compete against each other in BG’s and arenas), then you weren’t the best. Apparently two servers in particular, Blackrock and Tichondrius, had a reputation for having hyper-competitive pvp teams. There was a migration of battlegroup’s best arena teams to BG9 in attempts to prove they were the absolute best in the USA

So of course, my team all transferred. And it turns out, competition on BG9 was indeed fierce. We were rank 1 with a 90%ish win rate on BG1 when we left, but on BG9 we got cockblocked/stalled out around rank 13-14ish. We could break into the top 20, but not even the top 10, at least initially. This caused high levels of nerd rage, arguing amongst each other, and that caused burnout. Our team of multiple years broke up only like 2 weeks after we xferred due to 2 of our players quitting. Had we had better communication and coping/adjusting, we may have been able to get top 10, maybe even sponsored

But looking back, I’m glad it ended there (I quit then). I also was able to turn around a lot of RL issues after quitting. I did eventually meet and hang out with my old team multiple times in CA. One of our members was fairly rich and would drop $1000’s on a single night out with us, was good times. Lost contact with them years ago tho unfortunately

[Dural_Levant]

Did any of you ever play Final Fantasy 11? I remember really enjoying it for all the same reasons I enjoy EQ.

I kind of consider it the last of the old-school MMOs in terms of the time commitment and required and grinding. It also had the same XP loss upon death that EQ had. I think you had to loot your body as well, but my memory is hazy on that.

[Joshua21]

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[Toxigen]

Its a shame the Asherons Call emu community could never come together and agree to settle on one server.

Best game ever created.

[Kohedron]

Not reading shit, but how many snaggletooths pretended to prefer no instancing, yet complain about having to share pixels?

[Chortles Snortles]

>playing WoW after burning crusade
(lol)

[Strifer]

>playing WoW after burning crusade
(lol)

WOTLK was pretty fun, after that not much till Legion for the memberberries of what people dreamt of being able to do in the olden days, but after that straight dumpster fire that is Bobbo the clowns money printing machine.

[Swish]

Blizzard is running on fumes creatively.

[JohnT88]

I'm currently unsubbed and would prefer to play EQ p99 blue overall but it sure was fun at the time to play on classic release and see the story unfold. I was able to open the gates of Ahn Qiraj with my guild and server and that was probably some of the most memorable times in all of my gaming.
EQ items stay relevant, if you take a break from wow, your gear is outdated within a few months and that just sucks. Anyway here is my mount to brag about.. See you all next quake. https://i.imgur.com/u7t6fzi.png

[NPC]

EQ is real life, wow is a video game.

Correction, Ultima Online 97'-99' is real life, EQ is a video game, WoW is a bouncy house play ground.

[magnetaress]

wow has more cool neat secrets and is actually a finished game

butt it is a treadmill

eqlive is a treadmill now to

only prevelious really matters if u want to compare mmos

and p99 went into velious LOL

[VII]

WoW = iOS
EQ = Android

[Enderenter]

Correction, Ultima Online 97'-99' is real life, EQ is a video game, WoW is a bouncy house play ground.

I agree with this.

Also, this thread delivered up until 5 pages of WoW PVP stories.

[Ooloo]

UO's housing system has still never been replicated, I wish a developer would just have the balls to do it.

Like yep, you can build houses in the actual game world. It's not some fuckin lame ass house instance like eq2. You build the house, you own that chunk of the entire server.

[Bisonzabi]

WoW still living rent free in some peoples minds almost 20 years later.