Why all the Vitriol towards Multi-boxing?

[long.liam]

Why does everyone get so Upset about Multi-boxers? It seems like a perfectly reasonable solution to a Top heavy server. Unless the developers implement Mercenaries into the server, I don't see another way for New players to make any progress in the Game. The Vast Majority of the Game is dead in most zone except for maybe 50+ish. Even at post 50 unless your playing prime time, you'll be lucky to find a decent group to xp in. Most pickup groups tend to suck anyway in my experience. Half the people don't know what the hell they are doing and don't seem to understand the game mechanics at all. I guess Rogean and Nilbog just don't care about this, but the game honestly feels kinda dead at this point. Except maybe in the Raid guilds. Try making a new character though and you'll probably never see another player.

[PatChapp]

Why does everyone get so Upset about Multi-boxers? It seems like a perfectly reasonable solution to a Top heavy server. Unless the developers implement Mercenaries into the server, I don't see another way for New players to make any progress in the Game. The Vast Majority of the Game is dead in most zone except for maybe 50+ish. Even at post 50 unless your playing prime time, you'll be lucky to find a decent group to xp in. Most pickup groups tend to suck anyway in my experience. Half the people don't know what the hell they are doing and don't seem to understand the game mechanics at all. I guess Rogean and Nilbog just don't care about this, but the game honestly feels kinda dead at this point. Except maybe in the Raid guilds. Try making a new character though and you'll probably never see another player.
Yeah I agree, other than being against the rules there's nothing wrong with if. Boxing is very classic eq as well.
But since it's against the rules here,kind of a moot point.

[long.liam]

Yeah I agree, other than being against the rules there's nothing wrong with if. Boxing is very classic eq as well.
But since it's against the rules here,kind of a moot point.

Yea that's true it's only against the Rules. I'm curious what Rogean and Nilbog's View is on this? I understand they have their vision I guess of how the server should, but are they willing to adapt and change that Vision if it appears things aren't working out? It seems like it would quite easy to Police the Boxing if it were made Legal. After all people are gonna break the rules and do it anyway, but at atleast if were Legal and you had to declare your boxxed accounts then it would be very easy to police if it became a problem. As it is right people will just use third party programs to try to Circumvent the Rules and end up creating more problems anyway.
It just like the war on drugs. If you make it illegal, it just drives the behavior underground. If you make a Legal, but Regulated Activity, people will be more likely to be forthcoming and cooperative with both the Staff and their fellow players.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/HaURgWK.gif

[Chortles Snortles]

I am currently in KWSM, but I don't want to engage in any drama or be targeted or anything after reading this thread so I've made a throwaway account.

Not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.

[long.liam]

I am currently in KWSM, but I don't want to engage in any drama or be targeted or anything after reading this thread so I've made a throwaway account.

Not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.

I'm not really sure what you mean by that? What does that have to do with Multi-boxing or any of the current population problems with the server?

[Bardp1999]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that? What does that have to do with Multi-boxing or any of the current population problems with the server?

He is mocking the "I was banned for boxxing" thread currently up in RnF. Also Snortles has a condition known as 'brain rot' that makes him unpleasant to most people.

[long.liam]

He is mocking the "I was banned for boxxing" thread currently up in RnF. Also Snortles has a condition known as 'brain rot' that makes him unpleasant to most people.

Yea. There appears to alot of "Troll Accounts" in the Forums. That or just outright very Obnoxious people here. I thought these things were against the "Rules" too. I guess no one is really policing anything these days.

[Chortles Snortles]

hurting your feewings isnt against the rules cheater scum
(LOL)

[long.liam]

hurting your feewings isnt against the rules cheater scum
(LOL)

Making accounts exclusively for trolling is against the Rules.

[Bardp1999]

Making accounts exclusively for trolling is against the Rules.

You new here (lol)?

[loramin]

Making accounts exclusively for trolling is against the Rules.

https://i.imgur.com/xCt7fcJ.gif

[long.liam]

You new here (lol)?

Post from Llandris:
" Trolling
If you must troll another user, keep it contained to Rants and Flames. Don’t over do it.

Forum accounts created for the sole purpose of trolling are not allowed."

--https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2905657&postcount=1

[azxten]

Making accounts exclusively for trolling is against the Rules.

So meta

[Chortles Snortles]

h-h-h-h-h-his humorous opinions are
LE BAD!!!!!

[Trexller]

Rogean and Nilbog just don't care

they aren't asleep at the wheel, they hit auto pilot and passed out in the back seat

[starkind]

Honestly never seen chortles type so much b4. It's really nice to see them really come out of their shell and communicate.

[Trexller]

Why does everyone get so Upset about Multi-boxers?

most of these P99 players have fuck all for personal connections outside of their LCD screens.

so to feel like they belong to a community of other living beings, they get their warm fuzzies from guild tags, tell window pop ups (not classic) discord channels full of nerd voices (not classic) and the self deluded belief that polygonal female pixels are any surrogate for interaction with a woman.

also, they have no ability to multi-task, and think that waiting 10 minutes to med to full is a fun time.

[starkind]

most of these P99 players have fuck all for personal connections outside of their LCD screens.

so to feel like they belong to a community of other living beings, they get their warm fuzzies from guild tags, tell window pop ups (not classic) discord channels full of nerd voices (not classic) and the self deluded belief that polygonal female pixels are any surrogate for interaction with a woman.

also, they have no ability to multi-task, and think that waiting 10 minutes to med to full is a fun time.

:o

[Jimjam]

Why does everyone get so Upset about Multi-boxers

Cos playing with yourself is for wankers.

[starkind]

Cos playing with yourself is for wankers.

I would like to take a moment to discuss a certain firebeatle with you.

[Ravager]

Camps are locked down enough without letting people box.

[Jibartik]

boxing is awesome I like to get a vpn and run 2 pcs and train people with a box account while I try to help them with my main account but really my main is setting them up to get greifed over and over no matter how hard they try to escape.

[azxten]

PvP is the natural counter for boxing. Allow boxing and make all servers PvP with item drop.

[Insaiyan]

Camps are locked down enough without letting people box.

Group on blue&green

Farm solo on red. lol

[azeth]

To the OP, what does it mean to make progress in this game? You state that a new player can't make progress, that is as you know objectively untrue except if you are comparing them to some measure that you haven't or haven't yet stated. So let's assume you're referring to make progress in comparison to, then the question is in comparison to whom. Let's take a leap and assume that you're questioning how a new player can compete with current players, given current players on average have at least 5 years on the server. And likely the players that you're referring to have literally over 10 years. So ultimately we'll agree that your statement is regarding newer players being unable to complete with people that have put in over 10 years of effort. Got it, great. So great, just the greatest

[Ennewi]

Actively use who all <insert level> and it's not that difficult to form duos and trios. There's even a LFG section on discord and cheap, overpowered gear to help when soloing is the only option.

[Videri]

Why does everyone get so Upset about Multi-boxers?

The no-boxing rule is actually probably one of the top reasons this server has such a strong population. Single-boxing forces most players to rely on each other, compete with each other, negotiate...interact with each other. Relationships and reputation with other players are top resources. Allowing boxing would change that. That environment is a big part of why people have chosen to play here.

That and mouse-wheel zoom.

So it's not that people on P99 despise multi-boxing "just because it's against the rules." That's kind of backwards. Rather, those rules are the reason the P99 population chose P99.

If you want to find a population open to multi-boxing, they'd have gone to Wayfarer's Haven or TAKP.

[long.liam]

I think a Fundamental Flaw of P99 is to assume that somehow the "Old Ways" are the Best Ways. This is really just a Niche server. It will never been anything more than a small, broken, barely functional server that is trying to emulate an old game from more than 20 years ago. The majority of changes here are not even "Classic". Boxing is Classic Technically, but not allowed here.
This server sucks. Anyway, I'm honestly tired of arguing this point. No one here seems to offer a reasonable argument for why boxxing couldn't fix some issues here. Ultimately I'm just not having fun on this server anymore. I can't get a group consistently when I play, and even When I finally do atleast once every two weeks, the groups sucks ass. I assume this because they are boxxers in different servers, zones, and were powerleveled by a Vanquish Bard AFK, or RMT to get there account. Who the fuck knows.
In conclusion, I'm not having fun anymore. This server sucks balls. I'm gonna peace out and head for TAKP or Maybe TLP.

[Jimjam]

Have fun on TAKP!

Let us know you’re toon name there so you’re not a stranger :)

[Jimjam]

I would like to take a moment to discuss a certain firebeatle with you.

Pm me on discord :)

[Ravager]

I think a Fundamental Flaw of P99 is to assume that somehow the "Old Ways" are the Best Ways. This is really just a Niche server. It will never been anything more than a small, broken, barely functional server that is trying to emulate an old game from more than 20 years ago. The majority of changes here are not even "Classic". Boxing is Classic Technically, but not allowed here.
This server sucks. Anyway, I'm honestly tired of arguing this point. No one here seems to offer a reasonable argument for why boxxing couldn't fix some issues here. Ultimately I'm just not having fun on this server anymore. I can't get a group consistently when I play, and even When I finally do atleast once every two weeks, the groups sucks ass. I assume this because they are boxxers in different servers, zones, and were powerleveled by a Vanquish Bard AFK, or RMT to get there account. Who the fuck knows.
In conclusion, I'm not having fun anymore. This server sucks balls. I'm gonna peace out and head for TAKP or Maybe TLP.

Have fun! Yesterday afternoon, however, I found a pick up group for my 26 Necro in like 5 minutes. It was a good time and the only reason I still hang around here. Wouldn't have been fun if it was just me driving 3-6 other characters. That's what Baldur's Gate is for.

[Kohedron]

Well obviously the "problem" is it's against the rules, so you've got the "haves" and the "have nots"

But this is just reason #9571 why Shards is better than Classic EQ

[SantagarBrax]

To the OP, what does it mean to make progress in this game? You state that a new player can't make progress, that is as you know objectively untrue except if you are comparing them to some measure that you haven't or haven't yet stated. So let's assume you're referring to make progress in comparison to, then the question is in comparison to whom. Let's take a leap and assume that you're questioning how a new player can compete with current players, given current players on average have at least 5 years on the server. And likely the players that you're referring to have literally over 10 years. So ultimately we'll agree that your statement is regarding newer players being unable to complete with people that have put in over 10 years of effort. Got it, great. So great, just the greatest

Just have new players /random 1000 and the winner gets an instant pickup group without having to put in any effort. Oh, wait a minute...

[Pootle]

Why does everyone get so Upset about Multi-boxers? It seems like a perfectly reasonable solution to a Top heavy server.

So your solution to a "Top Heavy" server is to allow all these people to Box more characters. Do you this this would help the server?

[Allishia]

So your solution to a "Top Heavy" server is to allow all these people to Box more characters. Do you this this would help the server?

Boxing kills the game. No thanks!

[Trexller]

Boxing kills the game. No thanks!

only if you lead a vapid, vacuous empty existence outside of the game and only seek contact with sentient beings in avatar form.

I'll never understand you people that cry heresy unless behind each character there is only 1 human being.

do you really have to sit in your dark, dusty dank room, look at your group mates and think to yourself, "5 other real humans have accepted me in their group, i'm a valid human being!"

so sad

boxing is as classic as everquest gets, in 2001 i was boxing 2-8 accounts at any given time. back in that time, there was no MQ2, it was all alt-tab and my lightning reflexes.

maybe you all just lack the cranial processing power to manage multiple characters at once, you have to think fast, move fast, click fast. Be ultra-creative with macros.

but you all really just want to sit there, and stare at the same window, the same character, pressing the same 3 keys, over and over, hour after hour

TL;DR Playing only 1 account is fucking boring.

[starkind]

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[putrid_plum]

it's dumb suck it up and play one toon at a time or play live

[starkind]

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:Cringe:

[starkind]

it's dumb suck it up and play one toon at a time or play live

This. This or TAKP and let us know.

Only neorodivergents box anyway.

[Jimjam]

only if you lead a vapid, vacuous empty existence outside of the game and only seek contact with sentient beings in avatar form.

I'll never understand you people that cry heresy unless behind each character there is only 1 human being.

do you really have to sit in your dark, dusty dank room, look at your group mates and think to yourself, "5 other real humans have accepted me in their group, i'm a valid human being!"

so sad

boxing is as classic as everquest gets, in 2001 i was boxing 2-8 accounts at any given time. back in that time, there was no MQ2, it was all alt-tab and my lightning reflexes.

maybe you all just lack the cranial processing power to manage multiple characters at once, you have to think fast, move fast, click fast. Be ultra-creative with macros.

but you all really just want to sit there, and stare at the same window, the same character, pressing the same 3 keys, over and over, hour after hour

TL;DR Playing only 1 account is fucking boring.

Classic everquest would try not let you out of full screen and lock up your mouse. 2001 is the tail end of what project 1999 represents. When was alt shift r added to the game? I feel like you had to use software to box, even if not mq2...

Perhaps allow post sleeper waking boxing at most.

[Jimjam]

Just saying alt tabbing 6 instances of eq on one machine doesn’t gel with what i remember for 2001

[starkind]

I could barely log in let alone stay connected even with ISDN.

Kunark barely ran on my machine. And I didn't have 3 computers.

[Allishia]

only if you lead a vapid, vacuous empty existence outside of the game and only seek contact with sentient beings in avatar form.

I'll never understand you people that cry heresy unless behind each character there is only 1 human being.

do you really have to sit in your dark, dusty dank room, look at your group mates and think to yourself, "5 other real humans have accepted me in their group, i'm a valid human being!"

so sad

boxing is as classic as everquest gets, in 2001 i was boxing 2-8 accounts at any given time. back in that time, there was no MQ2, it was all alt-tab and my lightning reflexes.

maybe you all just lack the cranial processing power to manage multiple characters at once, you have to think fast, move fast, click fast. Be ultra-creative with macros.

but you all really just want to sit there, and stare at the same window, the same character, pressing the same 3 keys, over and over, hour after hour

TL;DR Playing only 1 account is fucking boring.

Lol what does that have to do with real life?

Brain power playing 8 accounts? More like Go macroquest2 cheater rofl. Great job on using "macros" lol.

I love the social aspect on p99, it makes groups so fun. Boxing ruins so many things in eq it's not even funny. One right off is need for druids and clerics helping people because everyone would just load their own bot.

Boxing is in my opinion what killed EverQuest /nod. I'm very glad it's not here and I hope they continue to ban boxers /nod.

Anyone who says they played 8 toons is 100% using macroquest2 /nod.

[long.liam]

Lol what does that have to do with real life?

Brain power playing 8 accounts? More like Go macroquest2 cheater rofl. Great job on using "macros" lol.

I love the social aspect on p99, it makes groups so fun. Boxing ruins so many things in eq it's not even funny. One right off is need for druids and clerics helping people because everyone would just load their own bot.

Boxing is in my opinion what killed EverQuest /nod. I'm very glad it's not here and I hope they continue to ban boxers /nod.

Anyone who says they played 8 toons is 100% using macroquest2 /nod.

Boxing didn't kill Everquest. Everquest killed everquest. It failed to adapt to it's changing audience. Look at the most popular MMOs today. WOW, FFXIV, Runescape. All of them permit some level of boxxing, have zone instancing, and all around Much higher quality games in everquest ever was.
I find it, so funny when the P99 basement dwelling Hipster's like to bring up how popular this server is. By comparison, P99 is like a drop in the bucket for MMO player counts. It's really not very popular. It has a lot of turnover and Quite a few jaded players that leave to play better games.
Please stop posting comments unless you good solutions that actually work. There's a reason Modern MMOs implement a lot of these mechanics into their games. They actually work. There's a reason why the most popular MMOs are absolutely nothing like P99. It's because this style of MMOs doesn't work anymore in the current gaming community.
And don't bring up fucking Pantheon please. That game will never finished. and even if it ever does. It's probably going to suck. Just like Vanguard.

[Jimjam]

P1999 doesn’t exist to be popular.

It exists to be online experimental archaeology.

You’re not a customer, you’re an undergrad student on Time Team.

[Naethyn]

You are likely here because your 'old' server allowed boxing and it sucks. No one here wants it. Make friends.

[Ooloo]

I love when people come to p99 and go "ya know, people LIKE all the stuff that almost everyone is here to avoid!".

You mean I could play WoW instead?? I had no idea. It's almost like I don't want to for a very specific reason.

Also lol at the idea that playing 6 characters at once is somehow less sad than simply enjoying a group of real people.

[Allishia]

I love when people come to p99 and go "ya know, people LIKE all the stuff that almost everyone is here to avoid!".

You mean I could play WoW instead?? I had no idea. It's almost like I don't want to for a very specific reason.

Also lol at the idea that playing 6 characters at once is somehow less sad than simply enjoying a group of real people.

LMAO yes this, we are the sad ones for wanting to play a game with actual people vs macroquesting a bot army playing with ourselves :p

[JDAm0nk]

The no-boxing rule is actually probably one of the top reasons this server has such a strong population. Single-boxing forces most players to rely on each other, compete with each other, negotiate...interact with each other. Relationships and reputation with other players are top resources. Allowing boxing would change that. That environment is a big part of why people have chosen to play here.

Very nicely said! This is why I prefer to play on a single-box server.

People sometimes mention how everyone solos on P99 or how nobody talks in groups - my experience on multi-box servers is that they are 10x like this.

[Ennewi]

Boxing didn't kill Everquest. Everquest killed everquest. It failed to adapt to it's changing audience.

Vanilla WoW's resurgence...a fluke then? It could be argued that SOE killed EverQuest by failing to maintain its original style and market signature characters well. Games, and art projects in general, do not need to appeal to the largest audience in order to be successful.

P99 is like a drop in the bucket for MMO player counts. It's really not very popular.

Popularity is not an indication of quality.

]There's a reason Modern MMOs implement a lot of these mechanics into their games. They actually work. There's a reason why the most popular MMOs are absolutely nothing like P99. It's because this style of MMOs doesn't work anymore in the current gaming community.

There's a reason why retro games are still being played and why newly released pay homage to them. What goes out of style eventually comes back into style.

Quite a few jaded players

And don't bring up fucking Pantheon please. That game will never finished. and even if it ever does. It's probably going to suck. Just like Vanguard.

[OuterChimp]

there is no need to box on the Teal server.

[Jimjam]

there is no need to box on the Teal server.

It’s proven that Teal is box free.

[Twochain]

only if you lead a vapid, vacuous empty existence outside of the game and only seek contact with sentient beings in avatar form.

I'll never understand you people that cry heresy unless behind each character there is only 1 human being.

do you really have to sit in your dark, dusty dank room, look at your group mates and think to yourself, "5 other real humans have accepted me in their group, i'm a valid human being!"

so sad

boxing is as classic as everquest gets, in 2001 i was boxing 2-8 accounts at any given time. back in that time, there was no MQ2, it was all alt-tab and my lightning reflexes.

maybe you all just lack the cranial processing power to manage multiple characters at once, you have to think fast, move fast, click fast. Be ultra-creative with macros.

but you all really just want to sit there, and stare at the same window, the same character, pressing the same 3 keys, over and over, hour after hour

TL;DR Playing only 1 account is fucking boring.

The only thing i'll agree with it is that it's fun upping the stakes and trying to take down a hard camp while alt+tabbing through a bunch of accounts rapidly.. it's what i was doing on the EZ server for a while.

That being said, you're revering yourself as a god gamer because of... a capability to alt tab and press a button and then tab again lmao, which just really isn't the case. Jesus christ you sound like a buffoon.

And ultimately, in 1999-2001, probably 3% of EQ players had the ability to box. My father had two computers in his office that both ran EQ, and still exclusively played his only toons. It's definitely not classic, and it DEFINITELY would weaken the social aspects of this server (The strongest part of the server) if boxing was allowed.

File under resolved.

[Ennewi]

The no-boxing rule is actually probably one of the top reasons this server has such a strong population. Single-boxing forces most players to rely on each other, compete with each other, negotiate...interact with each other. Relationships and reputation with other players are top resources. Allowing boxing would change that. That environment is a big part of why people have chosen to play here.

That and mouse-wheel zoom.

So it's not that people on P99 despise multi-boxing "just because it's against the rules." That's kind of backwards. Rather, those rules are the reason the P99 population chose P99.

If you want to find a population open to multi-boxing, they'd have gone to Wayfarer's Haven or TAKP.

It's similar to, but not as extreme as, players being restricted to a single character slot as was the case on the Firiona Vie server. No pocket clerics to rez. No druid/wizard alts to port.

It isn't for everyone, but some prefer it to anything else. The same could be said for PvP.

[Jimjam]

I don’t think there is vitriol against multiboxing btw.

Saying ‘have fun boxing on live/takp’ isn’t negativity. It is providing a solution in a positive way. I am sure many, if not most, of us have boxed at some point or still box on other servers.

Boxing is just outside the scope of the server. That is to be respected, and neither paying that respect nor communicating that respect, should be construed to be vitriol.

Stop seeing hate, start living love.

[Chortles Snortles]

c-c-c-c-cheating should be accepted or else ur a bigot
(lol)

[ReoDobbs]

The no-boxing rule is actually probably one of the top reasons this server has such a strong population. Single-boxing forces most players to rely on each other, compete with each other, negotiate...interact with each other. Relationships and reputation with other players are top resources. Allowing boxing would change that. That environment is a big part of why people have chosen to play here.

That and mouse-wheel zoom.

So it's not that people on P99 despise multi-boxing "just because it's against the rules." That's kind of backwards. Rather, those rules are the reason the P99 population chose P99.

If you want to find a population open to multi-boxing, they'd have gone to Wayfarer's Haven or TAKP.

I know if it wasn't for single box rules (however loosely followed by the playerbase) was I'd probably be on a TLP instead or SoD. People that are calling it classic are FOS, multiboxing was extremely rare during this period and everyone would mutlibox here if it was allowed, making it clearly unclassic.

Also if you have an issue with lack of player pop "except 50+" roll green. If P99 became a multibox server I'd imagine the population would be the same as far as account, but the actual number of humans would dwindle

[Kirdan]

Boxing was not common at all in the era that p99 attempts to recreate. If anything, p99 needs to go further and limit players to a single account. Having infinite free accounts is probably the least classic thing we have here. It affects so many aspects of the game. Imagine you have 8 char slots and none of those 8 chars can be played at the same time as another on the account. Choose your alts carefully. No more "hey bro can you sit afk on my alt so i can PL it" cheese. In the raid scene it is InfrastructureQuest with all the mules and bots spread across countless accounts and designed to be shared. None of that shit is classic.

[Scalem]

Boxing was not common at all in the era that p99 attempts to recreate. If anything, p99 needs to go further and limit players to a single account. Having infinite free accounts is probably the least classic thing we have here. It affects so many aspects of the game. Imagine you have 8 char slots and none of those 8 chars can be played at the same time as another on the account. Choose your alts carefully. No more "hey bro can you sit afk on my alt so i can PL it" cheese. In the raid scene it is InfrastructureQuest with all the mules and bots spread across countless accounts and designed to be shared. None of that shit is classic.

P99 should also delete the wiki, remove mouse wheel scroll, change the client to be correct and eliminate being able to hot key open/close all bags with one button.

[Mblake1981]

boxing is awesome I like to get a vpn and run 2 pcs and train people with a box account while I try to help them with my main account but really my main is setting them up to get greifed over and over no matter how hard they try to escape.

A topsy turvy cosmopolitan to melt the profane

[Ooloo]

P99 should also delete the wiki, remove mouse wheel scroll, change the client to be correct and eliminate being able to hot key open/close all bags with one button.

If your point is that there simply is no feasible way to prevent some things on p99, I agree.

But if they *could* prevent infinite account sharing, like they already largely do prevent boxing, that would be great for the project.

DKP FOR LEVELING UP MINDLESS CLERIC BOT #42 TO PARK AT A SPECIFIC CAMP IN A SPECIFIC ZONE is lame as hell

[Gustoo]

As a cleric, I very much agree about having shared account rez bots and stuff. Definitely a bummer and not in the nature of the game but I'm not really advocating for cracking down on it, tho it might help some other non classic stuff like people permacamping single mobs with 1 character.

Regarding the OP's multiboxing inquiry - it is against the rules of the server so people that choose to accept the rules naturally resent people that shirk the rules and experience the massive advantage of having a self contained group in a duo.

[Gustoo]

I love when people come to p99 and go "ya know, people LIKE all the stuff that almost everyone is here to avoid!".

You mean I could play WoW instead?? I had no idea. It's almost like I don't want to for a very specific reason.

Also lol at the idea that playing 6 characters at once is somehow less sad than simply enjoying a group of real people.

lol exactly.

Like the people advocating for luclin. Omg please every single other server has the impacts of luclin right on its nuts and is available to play.

[Mblake1981]

boxing is as classic as everquest gets, in 2001 i was boxing 2-8 accounts at any given time. back in that time, there was no MQ2, it was all alt-tab and my lightning reflexes.

Just saying alt tabbing 6 instances of eq on one machine doesn’t gel with what i remember for 2001

..boxing 2-8 acc in era when you couldn't tab out or run in a window. This is as funny as the people who said they ran Roger Wilco in era despite the fact that EQ had a code loop that used up your single core processor. This was brought up awhile back when people tried to troll-justify Discord being classic.

Over a phone line or college T1..

[Gustoo]

lol exactly.

Like the people advocating for luclin. Omg please every single other server has the impacts of luclin right on its nuts and is available to play.

I WOULD be willing to play a luclin and Kat only server, just because I never spent enough time in luclin except pharming those zero delay throwing items and getting the +5% fletching item for my ranger.

[Jimjam]

I WOULD be willing to play a luclin and Kat only server, just because I never spent enough time in luclin except pharming those zero delay throwing items and getting the +5% fletching item for my ranger.

Honestly, EQ is so big, I could really get in to some novelty 'limited content servers'.

I'd love a halas/everfrost/permafrost only server (maybe throw in blackburrow too). Just a bunch of barbies running around the tundra - I wonder if they could ever beat vox in the end?!

[Jimjam]

(subtext was I agree a luclin / kat only server would be wicked too)

[Ooloo]

Yeah I've always thought some kind of repackaging of the vanilla content could make for a cool server. Like a server where it just starts at kunark, and good races all start in FV and evil races all start in OT or in Cab for iksars, and we just pretend the game began at kunark. How would that go down? Newbies in FV even getting to level appropriate mobs would be a challenge, but doable.

[Mblake1981]

*My reference

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2991844&postcount=204

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2988031&postcount=145

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2988026&postcount=142

https://web.archive.org/web/20040320092158/http://teqim.sourceforge.net/

As many of you know, EverQuest is a horrible CPU hog. As fewer of you know, it doesn't need to be. EverQuest currently fights furiously with your computer to eat every possible nanosecond of CPU processing time. This is very bad for your system overall. For example, your CPU is generating much more heat than it should be, and can cause rampant overheating. Other applications are bullied around like school children giving up lunch money (including system drivers, for things like winmodems -- this prevents winmodem users from even PLAYING the game). What needs to happen, you ask? Very simple. As discovered and mentioned through more questionable methods, EverQuest has a "main loop", where it processes everything needed for EverQuest to function. It is this loop that runs continuously that refuses to yield the CPU even for necessary system functionality. The EQ dev team could insert the line "Sleep(0);" into the loop at any point, and this would give up enough CPU time for the system to function properly, without giving up any of your framerate. This would allow you to open up your web browser without it taking 10 minutes, it would allow winmodem users to play the game, etc. Furthermore, allowing an option to reduce CPU time by increasing the amount of Sleep would be extremely beneficial for overheating and power usage. This Sleep also drastically reduces many forms of lag in the game, and actually allows you to run multiple sessions of EverQuest on the same computer much more smoothly. As an EverQuest player you should be concerned about EverQuest playing nice with your system. Post on the EverQuest station boards, contact your GM, email SOE, do what needs to be done for them to read this message and give a little back to your computer for all the hard work it has done playing the game :)

[Gustoo]

Mild customization to make the Kunark Colonialism server work.

I'd play basically any limited content server. North Antonica only would be awesome, and it could be done. Everyone in smithed junk armor raiding vox with Warriors, shamans, and rogues only.

All barbarians in halas gearing up for the battle, marching across the tundra to face the dragon that has haunted their lands for generations.

Lots of fun options.

[Trexller]

replying to a bunch of you:

I had 2 PCs and a laptop running EQ. 1 compaq and 2 alienware.

[Ooloo]

Yeah it would definitely take some tweaking, but I just remember the original Verant sales pitch for kunark which was that you can level from 1-60 without ever leaving, so it's like okay let's see how true that is haha

[Ooloo]

replying to a bunch of you:

I had 2 PCs and a laptop running EQ. 1 compaq and 2 alienware.

Well that's very different than just being able to make 6 accounts for free and run them all on one PC and alt tab between them.

The barrier of entry to multi-boxing was much higher then, which was good because it hurts what most of us all like about classic eq.

[Trexller]

Well that's very different than just being able to make 6 accounts for free and run them all on one PC and alt tab between them.

The barrier of entry to multi-boxing was much higher then, which was good because it hurts what most of us all like about classic eq.

its no different, what we can do now is simply more convenient and requires less effort.

I had 8 accounts, with multiples of the same class, so that I could pick and choose. I bought a few of the accounts. my dad's house had 6 phone lines, I wired 2 more to my room.

then in like 2003 EQwindows was invented, and then things got really cray cray

[starkind]

U where quite the baller for 1999 compared to us peasants.

I. Sure ppl boxed. Just not more than 5% of players tho probably.

[long.liam]

This looks awesome. I wonder if this is all on 1 computer. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCydMjA_h0A

[apathe]

Boxing was not common at all in the era that p99 attempts to recreate. If anything, p99 needs to go further and limit players to a single account. Having infinite free accounts is probably the least classic thing we have here. It affects so many aspects of the game. Imagine you have 8 char slots and none of those 8 chars can be played at the same time as another on the account. Choose your alts carefully. No more "hey bro can you sit afk on my alt so i can PL it" cheese. In the raid scene it is InfrastructureQuest with all the mules and bots spread across countless accounts and designed to be shared. None of that shit is classic.

[wagorf]

every vocal player thinks their opinion represents the mass

/sigh

[cd288]

Yeah it would definitely take some tweaking, but I just remember the original Verant sales pitch for kunark which was that you can level from 1-60 without ever leaving, so it's like okay let's see how true that is haha

I believe a guild on Green did this 1-60

[Mblake1981]

replying to a bunch of you:

I had 2 PCs and a laptop running EQ. 1 compaq and 2 alienware.

Damn son you have an impressive pocket protector. Do you recall the specs or where they so meaningless you only remember the brands?

[Mblake1981]

A couple of these and a Compaq Presario/Armada?

https://i.imgur.com/SJCoghn.jpg

[Trexller]

Damn son you have an impressive pocket protector. Do you recall the specs or where they so meaningless you only remember the brands?

uh, well at the age I am now, I'm not proud to say that as a kid, when I said i wanted a computer, dad brought one home, when I said I wanted a better computer, dad brought one home, so on and so on.

I didn't start to educate myself in computer/IT stuff until i was like 20, they were just gaming consoles that you could watch porn and do homework on AFAIK at the time.

My parents were good people that worked hard and may have taken the idea of american consumerism a little too far. They were both children of immigrants who fled Korea and Germany during the wars.

If you are able spoil your kids, definitely do so! but I would advise making damn sure they understand where it all comes from before the age of 15. my parents died of separate natural causes when i was like 22~ then I had some hard lessons to learn, that I had to learn real fast, otherwise things could have ended up very differently to where I am today.

thats life tho right?

[Mblake1981]

uh, well at the age I am now, I'm not proud to say that as a kid, when I said i wanted a computer, dad brought one home, when I said I wanted a better computer, dad brought one home, so on and so on.

I didn't start to educate myself in computer/IT stuff until i was like 20, they were just gaming consoles that you could watch porn and do homework on AFAIK at the time.

My parents were good people that worked hard and may have taken the idea of american consumerism a little too far. They were both children of immigrants who fled Korea and Germany during the wars.

If you are able spoil your kids, definitely do so! but I would advise making damn sure they understand where it all comes from before the age of 15. my parents died of separate natural causes when i was like 22~ then I had some hard lessons to learn, that I had to learn real fast, otherwise things could have ended up very differently to where I am today.

thats life tho right?

It wasn't common in era, bro.

Not going to mess with your story here, I can't verify anything personal. It was your assertion, bold assertion that this computer stuff was normal, common and OK when most families might've had a single computer and it sat in the kitchen.

The house had a single phone line, a nice house at that. Your personal story is cool but recognize the difference. The argument was about in era stuff, it wasn't normal or common for a family to have more than one computer, let alone for playing a game or watching porno, and paying the prices for all that.

Consoles beat Computers (Windows Desktop) in the wars because guess what is under everyones tree? it wasn't some niche high-end Alienware with the latest 3D accelerators and sound cards, it was a console. It's Xbox gaming, you would think today with as common as being a "gamer" is then families would have like 5 consoles in the living room, all xboxes or playstations, and they just bounce back and forth owning noobs on COD or something. Nah man, they have one box.

[Mblake1981]

I did room with a boxer, he used an older computer for his cleric and played a rogue on his new PC. When friends where over for their D&D stuff they would walk into our computer room and remark about having two computers on the desk.

Hell, the cable guy even remarked about it and asked why our computers had so much ram. This was later, during LDON.

Maybe that is just a local story, my cool story.

[Trexller]

I get where you're coming from

nagafen could have been killed within the first 2 weeks of live EQ launch, like he was on green launch, at the time people just didn't know how to do it

multi-boxing was also possible at the same time, most folks didn't even think of it, because like you said most folks had 1 PC.

TBH I probably wouldn't have initially realized the value of multi-boxing, if i didn't have the friend who started me on EQ, you think I'm a "crazy rich asian" you gotta meet lil' Juntao, his family had a room walled with desks and computers. I was the poor kid by comparison.

This kid once sold a lvl 50 mage for $1500 in year 2000, thats what got me into buying/selling accounts/items. crazy times.

I guess I should have at some point made it clear that im not out here lobbying for P99 Devs to allow boxing on their server. What i don't understand, like the OP, is the vitriol regarding multi-boxing, or the idea that it's "unclassic"

[Mblake1981]

I get where you're coming from

nagafen could have been killed within the first 2 weeks of live EQ launch, like he was on green launch, at the time people just didn't know how to do it

multi-boxing was also possible at the same time, most folks didn't even think of it, because like you said most folks had 1 PC.

TBH I probably wouldn't have initially realized the value of multi-boxing, if i didn't have the friend who started me on EQ, you think I'm a "crazy rich asian" you gotta meet lil' Juntao, his family had a room walled with desks and computers. I was the poor kid by comparison.

This kid once sold a lvl 50 mage for $1500 in year 2000, thats what got me into buying/selling accounts/items. crazy times.

I guess I should have at some point made it clear that im not out here lobbying for P99 Devs to allow boxing on their server. What i don't understand, like the OP, is the vitriol regarding multi-boxing, or the idea that it's "unclassic"

Our guild SK sold his account on ebay for $800, had full planar armor. He was the only guy I new personally who "ebayed", which had a bad stigma attached and for good reason. I have and always will find it bizarre behavior, many older people blame EQ for starting many bad trends and I think they have good reason for it.

Anyway, your story keeps getting more extreme, if you truly lived that then I guess grats to you for living experiencing some wild stuff.

https://twitter.com/newegg/status/1064665578252562433?lang=de

https://i.imgur.com/LGNWRuI.png

[Trexller]

Hell, the cable guy even remarked about it and asked why our computers had so much ram.

Maybe that is just a local story, my cool story.

just curious, how did the cable guy know how much ram was in your PC?

[Mblake1981]

just curious, how did the cable guy know how much ram was in your PC?

Because they had to install an ethernet card in one of them, then he asked about he rest.

[Trexller]

your cable guy installed the card himself? now that's some service.

the kid in that pic would be a good representation of the friend i described, if it wasn't top of the line he didn't own it, he had that joystick that's on the adjacent desk in the image, it's that "forced feedback" joystick that pushed back against you as you moved it, like an airplanes control stick would... one of the things i didnt end up getting :(:(

[Gustoo]

Our guild SK sold his account on ebay for $800, had full planar armor. He was the only guy I new personally who "ebayed", which had a bad stigma attached and for good reason. I have and always will find it bizarre behavior, many older people blame EQ for starting many bad trends and I think they have good reason for it.

Anyway, your story keeps getting more extreme, if you truly lived that then I guess grats to you for living experiencing some wild stuff.

https://twitter.com/newegg/status/1064665578252562433?lang=de

https://i.imgur.com/LGNWRuI.png

that picture is like "fuck yes"

[Mblake1981]

Microsoft sidewinder force feedback pro. I had the normal version, purchased for Janes WW2 fighters and Mechwarrior 4: Vengeance.

Yes the cable guy would install ethernet cards back then if your computer only had a dial up modem, which was still common. They would open the case, put the card in, put everything back together, install the drivers and do a test. This is how you sell tech-illiterate people on new gear, because their living room VHS is still flashing 12:00.

https://i.imgur.com/lKHDkbt.png

Ahh, ZDTV/TechTV. This was when people still had very basic questions
SbpX8TJy3o4

[Gustoo]

Our guild SK sold his account on ebay for $800, had full planar armor. He was the only guy I new personally who "ebayed", which had a bad stigma attached and for good reason. I have and always will find it bizarre behavior, many older people blame EQ for starting many bad trends and I think they have good reason for it.

Anyway, your story keeps getting more extreme, if you truly lived that then I guess grats to you for living experiencing some wild stuff.

https://twitter.com/newegg/status/1064665578252562433?lang=de

https://i.imgur.com/LGNWRuI.png


I remember hearing about boxing early on, but I always scorned it like "that's super lame to pay an extra 10 dollars just to be more efficient at a game that is supposed to be fun"

So I think there may have been those of us that blanked out the fact that it was happening pretty often, we just assumed most people playing were of the same mindset as we were.

In that sense, the fact that it is bannable here may be the distinguishing feature of the server, more than the content lock level. The idea is to play it like a role playing game, not like a platinum mining simulator.

But people did play it like they were on a factory floor, and maybe that was the first time a digital currency achieved real life value. Other games you could obsess over for your skill and stuff but this game had sellable assets. You can't sell "I am the best at PONG" but you can sell a spare 100k platinum. And you can make 100k platinum a lot faster if you're playing at least 2 characters but ideally 4 adequately. I think it was the first game that did that. The duping and stuff on games like UO or diablo didn't let those items become really valuable I think.

I'm just rambling now. I think that there are genuinely two camps and they both didn't realize how many people were in the other camp.

[Mblake1981]

I remember hearing about boxing early on, but I always scorned it like "that's super lame to pay an extra 10 dollars just to be more efficient at a game that is supposed to be fun"

So I think there may have been those of us that blanked out the fact that it was happening pretty often, we just assumed most people playing were of the same mindset as we were.

In that sense, the fact that it is bannable here may be the distinguishing feature of the server, more than the content lock level. The idea is to play it like a role playing game, not like a platinum mining simulator.

But people did play it like they were on a factory floor, and maybe that was the first time a digital currency achieved real life value. Other games you could obsess over for your skill and stuff but this game had sellable assets. You can't sell "I am the best at PONG" but you can sell a spare 100k platinum. And you can make 100k platinum a lot faster if you're playing at least 2 characters but ideally 4 adequately. I think it was the first game that did that. The duping and stuff on games like UO or diablo didn't let those items become really valuable I think.

I'm just rambling now. I think that there are genuinely two camps and they both didn't realize how many people were in the other camp.

BB server had some known boxers, my guild was a smaller one of mostly RL friends <Reckless Fury>. My experiences discussing it in era were mostly seen as excessive but everyone wished they could do it. They would like they have the extra finances to excessively spend on something so frivolous as a video game, who knew it would make the mold many would follow in today.

No one advertised it, even in era. My roommate would RP his cleric, Steeljaw, as "The quiet silent type". But I have to point out this was later during LDON, during this era he was using the old computer as his main. Only when he upgraded did he box, and his cleric sat looking at a wall because it was so damn laggy.. i remember trying to get that cleric to jump things and it being soo frustrating, but otherwise it would lag out and probably crash.

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/TswyjV0.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/tnwQchy.jpeg

[starkind]

Nerd pr0n.

[starkind]

c-c-c-c-cheating should be accepted or else ur a bigot
(lol)

Cheating is a mental illness. Definitely self harm. Should Definitely go to adult time out.

[starkind]

Cheating is also adultery. Bearing false witness. And murder of G-d and urself which is murdering G-d.

/\

[Mblake1981]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3266446&postcount=691

https://i.imgur.com/2JEP21L.png

[starkind]

Lol.