"boxing test" should not be used by GMs

[mythrope]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8vTSUsjG2M

I was recently banned by the Project 1999 GMs for "boxing" for getting power-leveled by a guildie that could not complete the boxing test. I performed the test which was figure 8's around the fountains in Unrest and passed myself, however the other person could not citing they were using a laptop and did not have a mouse leading to them not being able to successfully run while doing figure 8's (modern laptops disable trackpad input when keyboard keys are engaged).

This video demonstrates the following.

1. Figure 8's with default setup without mouse (i.e. using laptop with trackpad)
2. Figure 8's with default setup with mouse
3. Figure 8's with strafe setup with mouse
4. Inability to do figure 8's while in motion with strafe setup without a mouse (i.e. using a trackpad on a laptop that is force disabled when keyboard keys are engaged)

The "boxing test" fails to account for individuals that may very well NOT be boxing; but due to their setups are forced into failure by the GMs given the current "boxing test" does not account for alternative setups or lack of a traditional mouse.

TL;DR/DW "boxing test" will generate false positives for people with non-traditional setups and bans for people not boxing. I'm also probably going to quit P99 because this is ridiculous you can be banned for something outside of your control.

[Blistig]

Yeah guys, come on!

[Ripqozko]

Consider not boxing, hope that helps.

[Lammy]

I don't get it. Why did you Box 2 characters if you knew that was against the rule?

[Duckwalk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8vTSUsjG2M

I was recently banned by the Project 1999 GMs for "boxing" for getting power-leveled by a guildie that could not complete the boxing test.

Who was the guildie? Im sure they should be able to clear it up. Surely you discussed it with them or did they just offer out of no where anonymously? Inquiring minds want to know.

[mythrope]

Who was the guildie? Im sure they should be able to clear it up. Surely you discussed it with them or did they just offer out of no where anonymously? Inquiring minds want to know.

Good question, I don't know because apparently they were using a guild bot and it was banned too. I'm not sure if anyone came forward because before I knew it KWSM guild leadership removed me from the Discord out on the word of the GMs without letting me defend myself (guilty until proven innocent it seems). I would not be surprised if they didn't come forward after what KWSM did to me.

I'm done with P99, GMs finally got back to my petition and said I'm perma-banned so I lost a lot of nice gear. I'm not going to waste anymore time on a game where GMs can take it all away on a whim when their "test" is prone to false positives.

[mythrope]

Who was the guildie? Im sure they should be able to clear it up. Surely you discussed it with them or did they just offer out of no where anonymously? Inquiring minds want to know.

To add to it, I don't have access to the guild bots from my conversations with people in KWSM -- you need to be "feral" and level 57 or 58 I think with your main to gain access. My main toon was only 55 and I did not have access on Discord.

[mythrope]

Weird it's not showing my message before #6 -- I said:

Good question, I don't know because apparently they were using a guild bot and it was banned too. I'm not sure if anyone came forward because before I knew it KWSM leadership removed me from the guild. I would be surprised if anyone came forward now given how switch KWSM were to kotow to the claims by the GMs, the video above shows the test can be legitimately failed.

I think I'm done with P99, it sucks losing hundreds of hours of work you put in on a toon. This was a "first offense" too and the GMs said it's a perma-ban, it does not make any sense but it's their game and I don't feel like playing it if this is their behavior.

[DMN]

you cant access discord but you get access to a powerlevel bot?

[mythrope]

Yeah guys, come on!

Why are you antagonizing the situation? This is uncalled for, I'm pointing out a legitimate flaw in the test that isn't being addressed Blistig.

[mythrope]

you cant access discord but you get access to a powerlevel bot?

I think KWSM gives access to the bots once you reach a certain level called "feral" where you get access to additional private channels in the Discord that have all of the bots, none of which I had access to.

[Ripqozko]

Damn kittens out here boxing and getting banned.

[mythrope]

Damn kittens out here boxing and getting banned.

Lol funny story I know someone in Kittens that openly boxed in groups I was in with them because they have an IP exemption, so you're not off!! :D

[Viscere]

Don't box

Don't RMT

Or you will...get Blisted !!!

[mythrope]

Don't box

Don't RMT

Or you will...get Blisted !!!

Except when the methods the GMs use to "Blist" you are broken, it's cause for concern. GMs have yet to address the concern raised that the "test" they use does not work in certain instances and guarantees false positives.

[Trexller]

Yeah guys, come on!

really? a staff member trolling?

why do you even pretend to give a shit about the rules, when your "friends" (donors) constantly and blatantly abuse the rules with nary a wimper about it

we all know you guys play the game and raid, even tho you aren't supposed to as GMs, you guys are probably among those who run scripts at raid events.

from the guide application:

Note: You cannot Guide on a server you actively play on

These days it really seems as though your application of P99 rules, is as rigorous as your application of the concept of "classic" to everquest.

and yet, you expect to have a community of players who believe in the project, respect the game, and others who play it.

got screenshots of this thread, in anticipation of its deletion.

[Aeaolena]

Consider not boxing, hope that helps.

[Nutsax]

I am just not sure what constitutes a "tough time of year", surely the war and the chance of nuclear destruction makes this a tough time of year?

[mythrope]

really? a staff member trolling?

why do you even pretend to give a shit about the rules, when your "friends" (donors) constantly and blatantly abuse the rules with nary a wimper about it

we all know you guys play the game and raid, even tho you aren't supposed to as GMs, you guys are probably among those who run scripts at raid events.

from the guide application:



These days it really seems as though your application of P99 rules, is as rigorous as your application of the concept of "classic" to everquest.

and yet, you expect to have a community of players who believe in the project, respect the game, and others who play it.

got screenshots of this thread, in anticipation of its deletion.


Thank you Trexller, I message Rogean on Discord because Blistig's behavior is uncalled for. This is a legitimate concern and they are poking fun at it. Yes, it is well know they break the rules themselves in the community and isn't talked about for fear of being banned. Since I'm already banned, it doesn't matter. I hope Rogean or someone with higher authority that does not come to troll (Blistig is a senior GM, mind you) can weigh in on how this "test" has innate flaws.

[Jimjam]

I am just not sure what constitutes a "tough time of year", surely the war and the chance of nuclear destruction makes this a tough time of year?

It has been a tough time of year since like y2k6.

[Trexller]

If P99 staff ever wonders how their servers ended up in the places they are, ie either dead (red) or just sheer and utter toxicity (blue/green), they need to look in the mirror

You make the bed that you sleep in, folks.

There's a good reason that so many are abandoning P99 for other projects like TAKP.

The culture of toxicity drips down from the top.

These days, the extent of my playtime on p99 servers is just "ninja buffing" I keep a chanter, druid and shaman logged out in strategic places, then I do /who all 10 20, or 20 40, then i invis and randomly show up at their camp, buff and leave.

You know how when your solo or group is struggling to keep going, and then some high level shows up unannounced with their buffs? That "OHH ITS ON NOW" feeling? providing that service is the only enjoyment I can find on P99 anymore.

Everquest is stuck in my brain, it imprinted itself on my young developing mind, and its still here, its been years since i was in a raiding guild, they sucked any fun out of P99 raiding. There is no point to even try when "raiding" becomes a full time occupation, I got my shits of the corporate world and retired young. I ain't putting in 50 hours a week for pixels. I play golf, I go fishing, I maintain my boat.

Devs: When you created a sandbox that requires 50 to 70+ hours a week to make any meaningful progress, you filtered out all of the "normal, well balanced" people and you were left with the home-bound, incel type players who hate their sheer existence, and project their angst upon the rest of the server.

It saddens me to remember the bright and limitless potential that the Project had back in 2007. BEFORE NILBOG STOLE IT FROM YEAHLIGHT, (see eqclassic.org) then ran off and made his own sandbox because Yeahlight refused to release an unfinished server.

You wanna know why so many basics including but not limited to boats, doors and mage bolts work so well? that was a guy named Yeahlight. He doesn't care anymore, he started his own business and is raking in millions.

So as you can see, this project was tainted from its beginning. The very concept of "Project 1999" was born of treachery and dishonesty, and it has shown through, time and time again.

[Toryas]

I was recently banned by the Project 1999 GMs for "boxing" for getting power-leveled by a guildie that could not complete the boxing test..

Have a chat with Furoar. He got caught boxing and training a raid force using another guild's toon and just ate a short suspension of his own toons. He might be able to tell you how he got off with a slap on the wrist.

[chevy79bu]

Lol O, the GMs already have evidence of you boxing through their logs BEFORE they even give you the figure 8 test. You got caught bud. Go play TLP...

[Toxigen]

Have a chat with Furoar. He got caught boxing and training a raid force using another guild's toon and just ate a short suspension of his own toons. He might be able to tell you how he got off with a slap on the wrist.

lol

[xdrcfrx]

How do you know the person on the bot you got banned was using a specific hardware and UI setup, but you don't know who they are?

[starkind]

@OP


Commandments 4 and 9: Through keeping Shabbat, we testify that G‑d created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. When one disregards Shabbat, he testifies falsely about the Divine origin of the universe.



P99 is a part of G-d's creation. Plz do not abuse your privilege of playing here. Lying about boxing toons to power level yourself is a lie. And demeans G-d

Hope this helps. /\

[starkind]

Also wasd only figure 8s aren't hard. You don't need a mouse. That's another false witness you bore. Double jeopardy. Xude. /\ /\

Surprised someone hasn't figured out how to automate the box test.

[starkind]

Take your time off and reflect on G-d and his creation. :cool:

[Kohedron]

"I passed the boxing test but my box didn't"

c'mon man you're not even trying

[Chortles Snortles]

(lol)

[SharkStomper]

Back when the wifey and I played on p99 I was pretty sure she'd fail a box test and it'd end up being a yelling match. I decided if we got tested I'd just invite the GM to a discord channel and let him hear us arguing while doing it. #boomerlife

[Jimjam]

Just make a new account, borrow another druid and start the process again?

[Convict]

How do you know the person on the bot you got banned was using a specific hardware and UI setup, but you don't know who they are?

https://i.imgur.com/jOnmCtE.gif

[mycoolrausch]

luv 2 box a guild's bot they've leveled and geared and get it banned then complain on the forums about it

very pro-social behavior

[Arvan]

Have a chat with Furoar. He got caught boxing and training a raid force using another guild's toon and just ate a short suspension of his own toons. He might be able to tell you how he got off with a slap on the wrist.

I believe he got away with it cause it was a “tough time of year”. Are we in a tough time now? Try saying that though it might help.

[Bardp1999]

If you are going to RMT or box and get caught at least have the decency to own up to it instead of crying like a sissy little bitch. Probably should nuke this Forum name and start over here as well

[Reiwa]

Anyone know if the laptop keylock claim has any weight to it?

computar

[Reiwa]

I believe he got away with it cause it was a “tough time of year”. Are we in a tough time now? Try saying that though it might help.

Is that Kittens official position? Their bot was used to box? 😬

[PlsNoBan]

Consider not boxing, hope that helps.

[Jimjam]

Is that Kittens official position? Their bot was used to box? 😬

Maybe it was Fuhhre driving the other guild’s bit again?

[Grisuu]

Anyone know if the laptop keylock claim has any weight to it?

computar

best excuse I ever heard, and no its not true. Though the other way around you can, if you want to :P

Why would a keylock would stop a trackpad^^ Sounds like an Apple new feature lol

[Reiwa]

Maybe it was Fuhhre driving the other guild’s bit again?

[BlackBellamy]

Anyone know if the laptop keylock claim has any weight to it?

computar

Yes, it's a very common feature.

Go ahead and google "trackpad not working while typing".

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-enable-touchpad-while-typing-windows-10/fd9d13b9-6de4-4c71-bef9-95e0b674b48e

I have the same question (1191)

[shadowdinah]

I think everyone is dodging the real question, how come they couldn't do a simple figure 8 with just their keyboard?

very curious, because its quite simple

[mythrope]

I think everyone is dodging the real question, how come they couldn't do a simple figure 8 with just their keyboard?

very curious, because its quite simple

This is shown in the video -- with normal movement key bindings it is possible; however, for setups that opt to use strafe keys (used primarily for kiters for quicker run speed), it's impossible without a traditional mouse to turn while moving. This is where the "boxing test" fails and results in false positives with people that legitimately cannot complete it.

[Chortles Snortles]

uh huh yea sure
(lol)

[shadowdinah]

This is shown in the video -- with normal movement key bindings it is possible; however, for setups that opt to use strafe keys (used primarily for kiters for quicker run speed), it's impossible without a traditional mouse to turn while moving. This is where the "boxing test" fails and results in false positives with people that legitimately cannot complete it.

LOL - just stop boxing bro

[Reiwa]

Yes, it's a very common feature.

Go ahead and google "trackpad not working while typing".

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-enable-touchpad-while-typing-windows-10/fd9d13b9-6de4-4c71-bef9-95e0b674b48e

[Jimjam]

This is shown in the video -- with normal movement key bindings it is possible; however, for setups that opt to use strafe keys (used primarily for kiters for quicker run speed), it's impossible without a traditional mouse to turn while moving. This is where the "boxing test" fails and results in false positives with people that legitimately cannot complete it.

Q turn left
W step forward
E turn right
A step left
S step back
D step right
F don’t press this when targeting the wrong mob

[Jimjam]

This is shown in the video -- with normal movement key bindings it is possible; however, for setups that opt to use strafe keys (used primarily for kiters for quicker run speed), it's impossible without a traditional mouse to turn while moving. This is where the "boxing test" fails and results in false positives with people that legitimately cannot complete it.

Run an 8 while just maintaining the same facing using strafe?

[Jimjam]

Yes, it's a very common feature.

Go ahead and google "trackpad not working while typing".

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-enable-touchpad-while-typing-windows-10/fd9d13b9-6de4-4c71-bef9-95e0b674b48e

This is annoying. Microsoft made it so there is always some level of ‘brush protection’ when the keyboard is used just before/while attempting to move mouse.

Anyway to stop this being an issue?

[greasemonk]

If you are going to RMT or box and get caught at least have the decency to own up to it instead of crying like a sissy little bitch.

This is the obvious play. Furor attempted to say he didn't do it, then broke down and admitted when the evidence was presented.

You can try this strategy since it has been proven to work in the past!

[Jontheripper]

So is boxing a permaban?

[getsome]

I have a "friend" who wrote me a script to run figure eights.

It works stunningly well.

Proof for the nonbelievers.

https://youtu.be/xvFZjo5PgG0

[Allishia]

I have a "friend" who wrote me a script to run figure eights.

It works stunningly well.

Proof for the nonbelievers.

https://youtu.be/xvFZjo5PgG0

Rofl

[Jibartik]

"heres me demonstrating how his laptop works"


lol

[Reiwa]

Need more Kittens to meow about why they abandoned their guildmate to the Executioner's Banhammer.

[Naethyn]

stunningly well.

[xdrcfrx]

Need more Kittens to meow about why they abandoned their guildmate to the Executioner's Banhammer.

Art. XII Sec. 15 of the KWSM Constitution states that any harm visited upon our bots shall be paid back ten fold to the transgressor. There wasn't any other choice, really.

[mythrope]

Need more Kittens to meow about why they abandoned their guildmate to the Executioner's Banhammer.

I'd like to know this as well considering they refer to themselves as a, "family guild." Guess you're not "family" the moment there's a slight inconvenience or during an ongoing issue.

People have also sent me screenshots of the guild leader publicly shaming by name to "set an example." Between this, Shaydir wishing chlamydia on someone (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400036), and how officers in the guild "need" items for their alts before new players can get items for their mains, it's very much not a "family guild" but rather toxic.

[eisley]

Yeah, the boxing test has always been sketchy. I tried to macro it myself to see how easy it was to pass, and it was very easy. It's pretty flawed all around.

[xdrcfrx]

I'd like to know this as well considering they refer to themselves as a, "family guild." Guess you're not "family" the moment there's a slight inconvenience or during an ongoing issue.

People have also sent me screenshots of the guild leader publicly shaming by name to "set an example." Between this, Shaydir wishing chlamydia on someone (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400036), and how officers in the guild "need" items for their alts before new players can get items for their mains, it's very much not a "family guild" but rather toxic.

@everyone we have removed [you]from the guild. CSR identified the player shown below - alt of [you]- as responsible for getting Dhurd suspended by failing a boxing test administered by CSR. This person maintains their innocence, however at this time we have not seen anything to call CSR's decision into question. Getting our bots banned is near the top of the list of things we cannot tolerate. Let this serve as a warning to everyone - if you do this, you will be publicly identified by guild leadership when possible

you got a public resource of the guild banned, and offered a flimsy story which doesn't stand up to even light scrutiny as an explanation. what response were you expecting?

[Hisamori]

Boxing test should be 12, 3 minute rounds with Vasiliy Lomachenko. If you can box him, you can box on P99.

Otherwise, sorry. Make a new char and start over.

[mythrope]

@everyone we have removed [you]from the guild. CSR identified the player shown below - alt of [you]- as responsible for getting Dhurd suspended by failing a boxing test administered by CSR. This person maintains their innocence, however at this time we have not seen anything to call CSR's decision into question. Getting our bots banned is near the top of the list of things we cannot tolerate. Let this serve as a warning to everyone - if you do this, you will be publicly identified by guild leadership when possible

you got a public resource of the guild banned, and offered a flimsy story which doesn't stand up to even light scrutiny as an explanation. what response were you expecting?

This shows by your own admission the toxicity of Kitten leadership. Rule by fear of being kicked out instead of helping. If you're leadership in Kittens, you should be well aware I did not have access to guild bots because I was not "feral" and was never given any credentials for them.

[xdrcfrx]

This shows by your own admission the toxicity of Kitten leadership. Rule by fear of being kicked out instead of helping. If you're leadership in Kittens, you should be well aware I did not have access to guild bots because I was not "feral" and was never given any credentials for them.

the bot you got banned was accessible to nearly the entire guild. try again.

[mythrope]

the bot you got banned was accessible to nearly the entire guild. try again.

Please show me where? Because I was never told I had access to any bots. Kred and Chakfor told me it was for "feral" members when they would level them up.

[starkind]

This is shown in the video -- with normal movement key bindings it is possible; however, for setups that opt to use strafe keys (used primarily for kiters for quicker run speed), it's impossible without a traditional mouse to turn while moving. This is where the "boxing test" fails and results in false positives with people that legitimately cannot complete it.

Q turn left
W step forward
E turn right
A step left
S step back
D step right
F don’t press this when targeting the wrong mob

You can easily rebind movement keys.

Shift D = turn right. Not hard. Get a lyfe.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Please show me where? Because I was never told I had access to any bots. Kred and Chakfor told me it was for "feral" members when they would level them up.

The bot you got banned is an open guild port bot... we have a open guild rez bot leveled by the same person and donated to the guild... to access the bot in question you only need the cat phone access tag ( legitimately 99% of kittens in our discord have access to it

Kittens does not defend or harbor cheaters... yes we will point out and even report members we suspect as boxers/scripters/RMTers without a second thought and let the GMs handle them.

The guild leadership gave you a chance to explain why you got our guild bot ( and yourself ) banned before removing you from our discord.. no one has come forward to say they were on the bot to verify your story.

Sorry you got caught cheating and banned but thems the breaks when you cheat

Numbaz
Long time kitten

[Reiwa]

The bot you got banned is an open guild port bot... we have a open guild rez bot leveled by the same person and donated to the guild... to access the bot in question you only need the cat phone access tag ( legitimately 99% of kittens in our discord have access to it

Kittens does not defend or harbor cheaters... yes we will point out and even report members we suspect as boxers/scripters/RMTers without a second thought and let the GMs handle them.

The guild leadership gave you a chance to explain why you got our guild bot ( and yourself ) banned before removing you from our discord.. no one has come forward to say they were on the bot to verify your story.

Sorry you got caught cheating and banned but thems the breaks when you cheat

Numbaz
Long time kitten

Would you kick the player too if they came forward?

[baadboye]

As long as no one steps up to say "i was the guildy powerleveling you", you really have no argument. Stop gaslighting and move on... It's like all other arguments on the internet. You're not going to change people's minds the more you argue.

[mythrope]

Would you kick the player too if they came forward?

I'm willing to bet they would, it's not a "family guild" like they claim apparently.

[mythrope]

The bot you got banned is an open guild port bot... we have a open guild rez bot leveled by the same person and donated to the guild... to access the bot in question you only need the cat phone access tag ( legitimately 99% of kittens in our discord have access to it

Kittens does not defend or harbor cheaters... yes we will point out and even report members we suspect as boxers/scripters/RMTers without a second thought and let the GMs handle them.

The guild leadership gave you a chance to explain why you got our guild bot ( and yourself ) banned before removing you from our discord.. no one has come forward to say they were on the bot to verify your story.

Sorry you got caught cheating and banned but thems the breaks when you cheat

Numbaz
Long time kitten

You give access to bots to everyone in the guild? If that's the case, it could literally be anyone on the bot at anytime. Do change the passwords on these accounts to? So people can leave KWSM for better guilds and still use the bots without your knowledge?

[Reiwa]

I'm willing to bet they would, it's not a "family guild" like they claim apparently.

Gee, I wonder why noone is speaking up.

🐅

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I'm willing to bet they would, it's not a "family guild" like they claim apparently.

Actually we would have that player contact the GMs to sort the situation out... it should be pretty easy for GMs to verify they were the person on the account through IP...the fact that no one has publicly or privately came forward to verify your story is very telling in itself

You got caught and now your trying to gaslight rnf and make people who gave you a chance to prove yourself look bad.

Good luck and gtfo

[Reiwa]

Not much pride if you prefer the bot to the player.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Not much pride if you prefer the bot to the player.

"Prefer the bot to someone caught cheating"

Ftfy

[mycoolrausch]

Not much pride if you prefer the bot to the player.

He's LFG if you're interested

[Reiwa]

"Prefer the bot to someone caught cheating"

Ftfy

Yet the bot was not kicked.

Curious!

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

You give access to bots to everyone in the guild? If that's the case, it could literally be anyone on the bot at anytime. Do change the passwords on these accounts to? So people can leave KWSM for better guilds and still use the bots without your knowledge?

We give access to (2) bots to almost every member of kittens.. dhurd ( port bot and the one you got banned ) and ulazia ( rez bot )

The passwords are changed every couple of months by the account owner and sent to leadership to update... the owner of the account request that these bots be open for the guild at large to use.. its why he leveled them up and donated them in the first place

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Yet the bot was not kicked.

Curious!

Your not even good at gaslighting... please up your game or like OP gtfo

[Chortles Snortles]

g g g g g g guys the ip addresses are lying
(lol)

[Reiwa]

Your not even good at gaslighting... please up your game or like OP gtfo

You're*

[Terrok]

Yeah, if you are going to box, you have to join vanquish, they have a boxing exemption, Furor can fill you in on the details.

[Terrok]

I am just not sure what constitutes a "tough time of year", surely the war and the chance of nuclear destruction makes this a tough time of year?

Its my understanding "tough time of year", is directly related to how much to donate, not whats actually going on in the world.

[mythrope]

We give access to (2) bots to almost every member of kittens.. dhurd ( port bot and the one you got banned ) and ulazia ( rez bot )

The passwords are changed every couple of months by the account owner and sent to leadership to update... the owner of the account request that these bots be open for the guild at large to use.. its why he leveled them up and donated them in the first place

1. Sounds like you need to tighten up your bot security if supposedly everyone in the guild has access to these accounts
2. You need to update the passwords more frequently, a few months is a long time

By your words, anyone in Kittens, or even people outside of Kittens, can be on these bots that Kittens apparently gives everyone access to.

Also your behavior is not befitting of someone in a supposed "leadership" position, just FYI. But then again with Shaydir calling people dicks and wishing them chlamydia, Kitten leadership seems to be a low bar....

[xdrcfrx]

shaydir and numbaz aren't officers in kittens, hope this helps.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

1. Sounds like you need to tighten up your bot security if supposedly everyone in the guild has access to these accounts
2. You need to update the passwords more frequently, a few months is a long time

By your words, anyone in Kittens, or even people outside of Kittens, can be on these bots that Kittens apparently gives everyone access to.

Also your behavior is not befitting of someone in a supposed "leadership" position, just FYI. But then again with Shaydir calling people dicks and wishing them chlamydia, Kitten leadership seems to be a low bar....

1) you are the first person to every get either bot banned
2) the passwords are updated at the owners discretion
3) I am in no way kittens leadership ( neither is shaydir )
4) I never claimed to be a nice person ( ask anyone who I've ever yelled at on raids )

Stop gaslighting and gtfo

[Jimjam]

I'm willing to bet they would, it's not a "family guild" like they claim apparently.

This reads like an admission of boxing.

You do realise should another player stepped up as pilot of the bot they wouldn’t be disciplined because it would mean the character wasn’t being boxed. That means kittens would get a chance to appeal the ban. Someone stepping up to admit PLing you would be a hero, not a villain.

[Reiwa]

This reads like an admission of boxing.

You do realise should another player stepped up as pilot of the bot they wouldn’t be disciplined because it would mean the character wasn’t being boxed. That means kittens would get a chance to appeal the ban. Someone stepping up to admit PLing you would be a hero, not a villain.

I'm sure they'd bury the story in the litter box if someone does.

Fat Cats

[Ennewi]

I'd like to know this as well considering they refer to themselves as a, "family guild." Guess you're not "family" the moment there's a slight inconvenience or during an ongoing issue.

Family refers to the fact that there are kids in guild that do sometimes play. Understandably, members are encouraged to use there better judgment in guildchat, though it's more or less become our version of "that's what she said".

People have also sent me screenshots of the guild leader publicly shaming by name to "set an example."

But the guild leader and its members didn't make a RNF thread to further smear your reputation, you did. Also, staff has also publicly named players on the forums who committed similar offenses.

Shaydir wishing chlamydia on someone (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400036)

In the two weeks since that thread, you made no objections, nor did you raise the issue in discord. Only now, that it serves your narrative, are you bringing it up.

how officers in the guild "need" items for their alts before new players can get items for their mains

False.

With each post you've removed any benefit of the doubt that might have existed beforehand, to the point where the question of guilt/innocence is irrelevant.

e5s2gOlfP_o

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I'm sure they'd bury the story in the litter box if someone does.

Fat Cats

Yup that's it... thats why the GL waited most of the day trying to verify his story and find who was on dhurd before removing him from discord.. Kittens are such bad people

[mythrope]

Yup that's it... thats why the GL waited most of the day trying to verify his story and find who was on dhurd before removing him from discord.. Kittens are such bad people

I requested the GMs reinstate the "Dhurd" account even though I don't agree with how Kitten leadership, or you, have handled this situation. You are quick to assume the worst, and throw people the the curb without a second thought. This behavior is not befitting of a "family guild" and that label should be rethought, along with Kittens' apparent god awful OPSEC if anyone that joins the guild has access to bots.

Good luck, I can understand why the GMs probably feel like they are babysitting adult children.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I requested the GMs reinstate the "Dhurd" account even though I don't agree with how Kitten leadership, or you, have handled this situation. You are quick to assume the worst, and throw people the the curb without a second thought. This behavior is not befitting of a "family guild" and that label should be rethought, along with Kittens' apparent god awful OPSEC if anyone that joins the guild has access to bots.

Good luck, I can understand why the GMs probably feel like they are babysitting adult children.

Kittens didn't run to rnf to cry wolf... you did
Kittens didn't get our bot banned... you did
Kittens didn't come up with some lame ass excuse... you did

"Family guild" refers to how we conduct ourself in /gu ... not that each member is "family"

Kittens is literally the largest guild on the server with 6000+ toons in it... I didn't even know you existed until yesterday

We might need to rethink our bot access tho... so people like you won't get them banned (again) so thanks for that idea

1 less manchild in norrath now tho

Good luck and gtfo

[Marathon]

I requested the GMs reinstate the "Dhurd" account even though I don't agree with how Kitten leadership, or you, have handled this situation. You are quick to assume the worst, and throw people the the curb without a second thought. This behavior is not befitting of a "family guild" and that label should be rethought, along with Kittens' apparent god awful OPSEC if anyone that joins the guild has access to bots.

Good luck, I can understand why the GMs probably feel like they are babysitting adult children.

You're a moronic clown who got caught cheating in a free video game. You also got an account that doesn't belong to you banned. Go Away.

[mythrope]

You two are special lol. I now understand why Kittens complain frequently in guild chat on losing people to Vanquish all the time if this is the behavior Kittens supports. No wonder they're the top guild and Kittens can't get a decent FTE.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

You two are special lol. I now understand why Kittens complain frequently in guild chat on losing people to Vanquish all the time if this is the behavior Kittens supports. No wonder they're the top guild and Kittens can't get a decent FTE.

Lolololol

Gtfo

[mythrope]

Lolololol

Gtfo



1 less manchild in norrath now tho

Amazing, the lack of self-awareness here. Kittens for you everyone, calling people dicks, wishing chlamydia on people that get legitimate FTEs because they cannot compete, and poor self-awareness. Best. Guild. Ever.

/s lol

[Allishia]

Ya time to make a new form acct and start over. At least now you know they aren't kidding when they say no boxing on p99 /nod :)

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Amazing, the lack of self-awareness here. Kittens for you everyone, calling people dicks, wishing chlamydia on people that get legitimate FTEs because they cannot compete, and poor self-awareness. Best. Guild. Ever.

/s lol

To be fair... it was ramen he wished chlamydia on... love the guy to death and he's my friend but I've said way worse to him and never got my own rnf thread..

The only person here who lacks self awareness is the person making claims of innocence after being caught by GMs boxing... I guess figuring out who's laughing with you and at you is a hard distinction to make.

If your looking for rnf to have you back in this you really must be new here.

Once again

Gtfo

[Chortles Snortles]

AsS BlaStED chEaTeR thread
(LOL)

[getsome]

We need less

https://i.imgur.com/h73BTwS.jpg

and more

https://i.imgur.com/bNtBsoI.jpeg

[loramin]

How do you know the person on the bot you got banned was using a specific hardware and UI setup, but you don't know who they are?
https://i.imgur.com/jOnmCtE.gif

[mythrope]

We need less

https://i.imgur.com/h73BTwS.jpg

and more

https://i.imgur.com/bNtBsoI.jpeg

I concur, thank you getsome. This thread was meant to address a flaw in the boxing test, I hope the GMs can make adjustments so false positives aren't a thing in the future.

I wish Kittens all the best, I ask if you have nothing constructive to say and are just going to keep name calling, please keep it in your /gu away from the rest of us. Thanks.

[mythrope]

I got Ioramin in my thread! I love you!

While I was doing circles the other person was telling the GM they couldn't do figure eights because they were using a laptop. After I was banned and my petition was denied, I decided to investigate if there was any weight to that claim. Low and behold if you're using a strafe setup (mostly kiters for the additional run speed versus mobs) it is impossible to perform the test without a traditional mouse because many laptops disable trackpads when the keyboard keys are engaged.

That's all this thread was meant to bring up. Also thank you for all your helpful comments throughout your time here on P99! I always love reading your posts!

[Chortles Snortles]

it’s because we all know you cheated CHEATER
(lol)

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I got Ioramin in my thread! I love you!

While I was doing circles the other person was telling the GM they couldn't do figure eights because they were using a laptop. After I was banned and my petition was denied, I decided to investigate if there was any weight to that claim. Low and behold if you're using a strafe setup (mostly kiters for the additional run speed versus mobs) it is impossible to perform the test without a traditional mouse because many laptops disable trackpads when the keyboard keys are engaged.

That's all this thread was meant to bring up. Also thank you for all your helpful comments throughout your time here on P99! I always love reading your posts!

You dont know who volunteered to PL you but you know their specific ui set up and you knew they were on a laptop... its really odd these are the things you discuss while completely forgetting to ask who's on the other end of the toon PLing you...

Come on man just say you were PLing yourself and get this whole thing over with...

[xdrcfrx]

I got Ioramin in my thread! I love you!

While I was doing circles the other person was telling the GM they couldn't do figure eights because they were using a laptop. After I was banned and my petition was denied, I decided to investigate if there was any weight to that claim. Low and behold if you're using a strafe setup (mostly kiters for the additional run speed versus mobs) it is impossible to perform the test without a traditional mouse because many laptops disable trackpads when the keyboard keys are engaged.

That's all this thread was meant to bring up. Also thank you for all your helpful comments throughout your time here on P99! I always love reading your posts!

I logged in just now on my laptop and ran figure 8's without using the mouse or the trackpad, and my keys are set up for strafing.

[area]

While I was doing circles the other person was telling the GM they couldn't do figure eights because they were using a laptop. After I was banned and my petition was denied, I decided to investigate if there was any weight to that claim. Low and behold if you're using a strafe setup (mostly kiters for the additional run speed versus mobs) it is impossible to perform the test without a traditional mouse because many laptops disable trackpads when the keyboard keys are engaged.

That's all this thread was meant to bring up.

You really are special, aren't you? Ignoring that you know about the "other person's" laptop and EQ key bindings, but don't know their name thing. Ignoring all the other little lies and big lies.

Your own video shows how quick and easy it is to change your keybinds from "strafe mode" to normal mode. All the "other person" would have had to do was say, "give me a sec, Mr. GM, but I need to change my keybindings real quick."

Done.

[Ripqozko]

To be fair... it was ramen he wished chlamydia on... love the guy to death and he's my friend but I've said way worse to him and never got my own rnf thread..

The only person here who lacks self awareness is the person making claims of innocence after being caught by GMs boxing... I guess figuring out who's laughing with you and at you is a hard distinction to make.

If your looking for rnf to have you back in this you really must be new here.

Once again

Gtfo

I wasn’t there , I just made the RNF if you gonna rag on me at least know.

[anonkitten]

I am currently in KWSM, but I don't want to engage in any drama or be targeted or anything after reading this thread so I've made a throwaway account.

We give access to (2) bots to almost every member of kittens.. dhurd ( port bot and the one you got banned ) and ulazia ( rez bot )

The passwords are changed every couple of months by the account owner and sent to leadership to update... the owner of the account request that these bots be open for the guild at large to use.. its why he leveled them up and donated them in the first place

I did a search of the our discord, this is a flagrant lie. See the following (I've kept the password visible on the banned account that is inactive, but censored the still active account. I hope this is okay moderators.)

https://imgur.com/a/LLoUC35

The original password was set in 2019, and the post in 2021 by Dainae shows it has not changed. I have not been on Dhurd recently but I do know from using him a couple of months ago this password was still the same and I have not seen any posts changing it.


I logged in just now on my laptop and ran figure 8's without using the mouse or the trackpad, and my keys are set up for strafing.

Not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.

You really are special, aren't you? Ignoring that you know about the "other person's" laptop and EQ key bindings, but don't know their name thing. Ignoring all the other little lies and big lies.

Your own video shows how quick and easy it is to change your keybinds from "strafe mode" to normal mode. All the "other person" would have had to do was say, "give me a sec, Mr. GM, but I need to change my keybindings real quick."

Done.

The same as to xdrcfrx, not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.

Reading this thread and seeing how Kittens have treated one of their own in our discord and how they've behaved down to outright lying about things, I've made up my mind to start looking for another guild.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I wasn’t there , I just made the RNF if you gonna rag on me at least know.

Lol I wasn't there either... figured it was some random ench bot... you have so many!

[Hisamori]

1. Sounds like you need to tighten up your bot security if supposedly everyone in the guild has access to these accounts
2. You need to update the passwords more frequently, a few months is a long time

By your words, anyone in Kittens, or even people outside of Kittens, can be on these bots that Kittens apparently gives everyone access to.

Also your behavior is not befitting of someone in a supposed "leadership" position, just FYI. But then again with Shaydir calling people dicks and wishing them chlamydia, Kitten leadership seems to be a low bar....

Why would the security need to be tightened up? The intent is for those two characters to be accessible at large. A gap in security means that actual access and intended access aren't matched, which they are in this case.

This whataboutism is pathetic, it doesn't even really deflect from the fact that you're lying about what you did and there isn't anything you've said to defend yourself except provide some contrived explanation (strafing setup preventing figure 8? lol) which cannot even be plausible given the other supposed details of the circumstances you've implied.

Seek help: https://www.baysidepsychotherapy.com.au/compulsive-lying-therapy/

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

[QUOTE=anonkitten;3436831]I am currently in KWSM, but I don't want to engage in any drama or be targeted or anything after reading this thread so I've made a throwaway account.



I did a search of the our discord, this is a flagrant lie. See the following (I've kept the password visible on the banned account that is inactive, but censored the still active account. I hope this is okay moderators.)

https://imgur.com/a/LLoUC35

The original password was set in 2019, and the post in 2021 by Dainae shows it has not changed. I have not been on Dhurd recently but I do know from using him a couple of months ago this password was still the same and I have not seen any posts changing it

Mebash controls those accounts and changes the PWs at his leisure... he asked a couple months ago ( maybe a little longer ) if the PWs needed to be changed and they were... it was the same time he was lvling Drgn iirc...

Regardless kwsm has 0 control over the PWs... if you have an issue with the time between PW changes PM mebash and bring it up with him

[pijan]

Long time KWSM member here and I can confirm they are a bunch of filthy fucking liars. Did you know that less than 1/3 of their members are actually cats? How is this shit even legal?

[Marathon]

I am currently in KWSM, but I don't want to engage in any drama or be targeted or anything after reading this thread so I've made a throwaway account.



I did a search of the our discord, this is a flagrant lie. See the following (I've kept the password visible on the banned account that is inactive, but censored the still active account. I hope this is okay moderators.)

https://imgur.com/a/LLoUC35

The original password was set in 2019, and the post in 2021 by Dainae shows it has not changed. I have not been on Dhurd recently but I do know from using him a couple of months ago this password was still the same and I have not seen any posts changing it.




Not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.



The same as to xdrcfrx, not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.

Reading this thread and seeing how Kittens have treated one of their own in our discord and how they've behaved down to outright lying about things, I've made up my mind to start looking for another guild.

Do you think anyone is fooled by you? You just made another account to pretend to have support....the syntax of your writing is identical to all of your other posts. You're incredibly childish and probably mentally ill. Get help.

[Ennewi]

I'm also probably going to quit P99

I've made up my mind to start looking for another guild.

[area]

https://imgur.com/a/LLoUC35

The original password was set in 2019, and the post in 2021 by Dainae shows it has not changed. I have not been on Dhurd recently but I do know from using him a couple of months ago this password was still the same and I have not seen any posts changing it.

Not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.

Aside from being a coward, you conveniently edited out the (edited) part of Bagels message. Yes, the password has been updated (infrequently).

Do the honorable thing and deguild and leave the discord while you look for a new guild.

[Chortles Snortles]

>creates anon forum acct to defend himself
being this mad about getting caught flagrantly cheating
(LOL)

[Phuzz]

I am currently in KWSM, but I don't want to engage in any drama or be targeted or anything after reading this thread so I've made a throwaway account.



I did a search of the our discord, this is a flagrant lie. See the following (I've kept the password visible on the banned account that is inactive, but censored the still active account. I hope this is okay moderators.)

https://imgur.com/a/LLoUC35

The original password was set in 2019, and the post in 2021 by Dainae shows it has not changed. I have not been on Dhurd recently but I do know from using him a couple of months ago this password was still the same and I have not seen any posts changing it.




Not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.



The same as to xdrcfrx, not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.

Reading this thread and seeing how Kittens have treated one of their own in our discord and how they've behaved down to outright lying about things, I've made up my mind to start looking for another guild.

The investment to your lie is quite funny. Appreciate the laugh.

[greasemonk]

Wait a second, has OP jumped all the way to "Create Alternate Forum Account To Defend Themselves" already?!

HELL YES! Finally a good thread!

[Reiwa]

I thought OP got kicked from discord?

[starkind]

I think the boxing test should be a lot harder.

[Chortles Snortles]

I am currently in KWSM, but I don't want to engage in any drama or be targeted or anything after reading this thread so I've made a throwaway account.



I did a search of the our discord, this is a flagrant lie. See the following (I've kept the password visible on the banned account that is inactive, but censored the still active account. I hope this is okay moderators.)

https://imgur.com/a/LLoUC35

The original password was set in 2019, and the post in 2021 by Dainae shows it has not changed. I have not been on Dhurd recently but I do know from using him a couple of months ago this password was still the same and I have not seen any posts changing it.




Not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.



The same as to xdrcfrx, not everyone would think to change the setup they are used to at a moment's notice to fit the criteria of an impromptu test they were not ready for.

Reading this thread and seeing how Kittens have treated one of their own in our discord and how they've behaved down to outright lying about things, I've made up my mind to start looking for another guild.

[Bardp1999]

I was the on PLing OP on Dhrud

Due to a motorcycle injury, I don't have a functioning left arm and my right hand only has 2 fingers. I also lost my right eye from a dog attack and take many pharmaceuticals daily (antipsychotics, opiods, ect). My laptop died right as I was about to start the box test resulting in it appearing that I intentionally disconnected. Sorry for the confusion folks

[mythrope]

I was the on PLing OP on Dhrud

Due to a motorcycle injury, I don't have a functioning left arm and my right hand only has 2 fingers. I also lost my right eye from a dog attack and take many pharmaceuticals daily (antipsychotics, opiods, ect). My laptop died right as I was about to start the box test resulting in it appearing that I intentionally disconnected. Sorry for the confusion folks

Haha love it :D

[mythrope]

I thought OP got kicked from discord?

This exactly lol, why these posts make absolutely zero sense but guess logic is not a requirement for joining the KWSM; echo chamber contributions are all that's needed. Lmao I'm laughing reading these

[MaCtastic]

I thought OP got kicked from discord?

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=what+is+a+screenshot

[Reiwa]

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=what+is+a+screenshot

Does this help?

KWSM guild leadership removed me from the Discord out on the word of the GMs without letting me defend myself (guilty until proven innocent it seems). I would not be surprised if they didn't come forward after what KWSM did to me.

[Wharfrat]

OP
Mistake #1 - joining a guild
Mistake #2 - joining KWSM
Mistake #3 - coming here for help
Mistake #4 - thinking guides are perfect human beings
Mistake #5 - having any kind of communication with the morons who dwell on these forums

[MaCtastic]

Does this help?

Not really, the individual did have a chance to defend themself. Also, they were given a significant amount of time to own up to it, but instead, decided to lay low in hopes of avoiding detection, then waited until after they were identified by the CSR to patch together their hasty defense. If they were actually innocent, it’s more likely they would have come to us preemptively (at a minimum) to say: “I was involved in this situation and I wronged”. Instead, we now have this gem of an RNF post.

Also, for the record, if someone (besides OP) in guild actually confirmed they logged into Dhurd, it would have proved OP to be right - no action would have taken place against either party. This did not happen and we could not corroborate his claims.

This entire thread indicates that the decision made, based on all of the evidence provided, was in fact the correct one to make.

To the CSR team - Bravo Zulu

[Reiwa]

Not really, the individual did have a chance to defend themself. Also, they were given a significant amount of time to own up to it, but instead, decided to lay low in hopes of avoiding detection, then waited until after they were identified by the CSR to patch together their hasty defense. If they were actually innocent, it’s more likely they would have come to us preemptively (at a minimum) to say: “I was involved in this situation and I wronged”. Instead, we now have this gem of an RNF post.

Also, for the record, if someone (besides OP) in guild actually confirmed they logged into Dhurd, it would have proved OP to be right - no action would have taken place against either party. This did not happen and we could not corroborate his claims.

This entire thread indicates that the decision made, based on all of the evidence provided, was in fact the correct one to make.

To the CSR team - Bravo Zulu

Well what's more likely, OP preplanned the comment to setup the screenshot or that you believe in a catspiracy theory? 🐾

[MaCtastic]

Well what's more likely, OP preplanned the comment to setup the screenshot or that you believe in a catspiracy theory? 🐾

Admittedly, our discord information management strategy, while it’s gotten better, can still be difficult for you to easily recall where things are pinned. As such, I’ve also screen captured key information and saved or kept it up on the desktop for ease of recall.

So yes, I believe that explanation over a grand conspiracy over GMs targeting someone who has only started playing this server as of Feb 2022.

[Reiwa]

Admittedly, our discord information management strategy, while it’s gotten better, can still be difficult for you to easily recall where things are pinned. As such, I’ve also screen captured key information and saved or kept it up on the desktop for ease of recall.

So yes, I believe that explanation over a grand conspiracy over GMs targeting someone who has only started playing this server as of Feb 2022.

Not talking about GMs.

You believe OP made a thread, left a comment, made an alt, and posted a screenshot - all to make you look bad?

Let's get a round of appaws for Felix Jones and his tinfoil ball. 😹

[Lammy]

I requested the GMs reinstate the "Dhurd" account even though I don't agree with how Kitten leadership, or you, have handled this situation. You are quick to assume the worst, and throw people the the curb without a second thought. This behavior is not befitting of a "family guild" and that label should be rethought, along with Kittens' apparent god awful OPSEC if anyone that joins the guild has access to bots.

Good luck, I can understand why the GMs probably feel like they are babysitting adult children.

I didn't know Jussie Smollett played on this server. Cool stuff.

[Trexller]

and you people wonder why your servers suck so damn badly

[azxten]

I could believe this and I used to get concerned when playing on a similar shitty laptop that I would fail a boxing test. It's also kind of doubtful though. Even playing on that shitty laptop I likely could have passed the test.

If you normally played on that shitty laptop you likely would have gotten good enough to use it enough to pass the test. I know I could have. Actually I really do think I even got tested on that shitty laptop and passed and the only reason I was using it was so my wife could power level me so I was borderline boxing anyway.

If your dog is playing EQ for you on a $10 laptop using VNC over a high latency connection so they can power level you then you're already 90% of the way there to boxing anyway.

[azxten]

I'll add if GMs were bros they would ban the PL account and leave the newb account alone if it's questionable but who knows what they saw. The laptop trackpad and buttons thing is real though. I know I was good enough even with that problem though to easily pass the test.

[Chortles Snortles]

so um guys, like um,*the player, who i don't know, who totally wasn't being boxed by me; power leveled me and also binded his up down left right arrow keys to something else, and that's why i... err he failed the boxing test on the laptop i know he played on but am not sure who he is

(OMEGA LUL)

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Not talking about GMs.

You believe OP made a thread, left a comment, made an alt, and posted a screenshot - all to make you look bad?

Let's get a round of appaws for Felix Jones and his tinfoil ball. 😹

nope.. i believe OP took the SS after confronted with what happened so he could attempt to continue using the bots after his inevitable removal... seeing as he wasn't kicked out of our discord for most of the day after our GL found out it was him.

[Reiwa]

nope.. i believe OP took the SS after confronted with what happened so he could attempt to continue using the bots after his inevitable removal... seeing as he wasn't kicked out of our discord for most of the day after our GL found out it was him.

How could he continue to use bot if already banned, genius?

You got holes in your ears?

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

How could he continue to use bot if already banned, genius?

You got holes in your ears?

Because it's hard to make a new account and continue? Bans are account based not IP based

Thanks for asking tho

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Or like previously mentioned he took the SS for quick reference

[cd288]

If P99 staff ever wonders how their servers ended up in the places they are, ie either dead (red) or just sheer and utter toxicity (blue/green), they need to look in the mirror

You make the bed that you sleep in, folks.

There's a good reason that so many are abandoning P99 for other projects like TAKP.

The culture of toxicity drips down from the top.

These days, the extent of my playtime on p99 servers is just "ninja buffing" I keep a chanter, druid and shaman logged out in strategic places, then I do /who all 10 20, or 20 40, then i invis and randomly show up at their camp, buff and leave.

You know how when your solo or group is struggling to keep going, and then some high level shows up unannounced with their buffs? That "OHH ITS ON NOW" feeling? providing that service is the only enjoyment I can find on P99 anymore.

Everquest is stuck in my brain, it imprinted itself on my young developing mind, and its still here, its been years since i was in a raiding guild, they sucked any fun out of P99 raiding. There is no point to even try when "raiding" becomes a full time occupation, I got my shits of the corporate world and retired young. I ain't putting in 50 hours a week for pixels. I play golf, I go fishing, I maintain my boat.

Devs: When you created a sandbox that requires 50 to 70+ hours a week to make any meaningful progress, you filtered out all of the "normal, well balanced" people and you were left with the home-bound, incel type players who hate their sheer existence, and project their angst upon the rest of the server.

It saddens me to remember the bright and limitless potential that the Project had back in 2007. BEFORE NILBOG STOLE IT FROM YEAHLIGHT, (see eqclassic.org) then ran off and made his own sandbox because Yeahlight refused to release an unfinished server.

You wanna know why so many basics including but not limited to boats, doors and mage bolts work so well? that was a guy named Yeahlight. He doesn't care anymore, he started his own business and is raking in millions.

So as you can see, this project was tainted from its beginning. The very concept of "Project 1999" was born of treachery and dishonesty, and it has shown through, time and time again.

Nice of you to buff but what groups on P99 struggle to keep going? Literally ever group is pulling and killing at Mach speed

[cd288]

Out of curiosity is it actually true that laptop track pads get disabled when using keyboard keys? Is there not a setting on the laptop to change that if you want to?

Just curious because if you can’t turn that situation off then perhaps there is an argument for using a different boxing test

[starkind]

I played quake with a laptop pad and wasd on a Dell from like 2000 sooooo ya I don't see y u couldn't.

[Insaiyan]

I have a "friend" who wrote me a script to run figure eights.

It works stunningly well.

Proof for the nonbelievers.

https://youtu.be/xvFZjo5PgG0

:o :eek:

[Zoggren]

Kittens has just lost all of their honor here. Arvan should delevel to level 20 and restrict himself to old world zones and Spasepope should delete his character. Kittens should have to change their name to <Can't Even Cheat Well> for at least six months until they can fully unroot the massive cheating syndicate located within their ranks. Also limit themselves to 1 group mobs like KDT and Vilefang until order is restored.

[starkind]

When people take themselves way too seriously.

[rhold]

When attempting to determine if someone is boxing, would the very first thing a GM checks be the IP addresses? (I would think so?)

Would that mean that the mysterious unknown guildie was at the same location as you?

Hard to believe you are still trying to peddle your lies 15 pages deep hahahaha

[mythrope]

Out of curiosity is it actually true that laptop track pads get disabled when using keyboard keys? Is there not a setting on the laptop to change that if you want to?

Just curious because if you can’t turn that situation off then perhaps there is an argument for using a different boxing test

Yes. This is a modern feature on most laptops/operating systems to prevent accidental clicks.

https://superuser.com/questions/399341/touchpad-does-not-respond-when-i-am-holding-key-on-the-keyboard

https://superuser.com/questions/644428/how-to-enable-synaptics-touchpad-while-typing-without-disabling-palmcheck

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-enable-touchpad-while-typing/7f8e8ff7-8807-4e6f-8fdd-3f651dcd55d4

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/unable-to-move-touchpad-mouse-while-typing/885c9194-cff1-40df-b406-d80b3ad1617c

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebooks-Archive-Read-Only/Touchpad-Doesn-t-work-while-typing-on-Windows-10/td-p/5370155

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Software-and-How-To-Questions/Can-t-move-mouse-while-typing/td-p/5428585

[Casteel]

also because RnF is the correct place to go to get a boxing ban overruled and/or the methods with which boxing is confirmed to be seriously discussed. this will work every. single. time.

[Arvan]

Kittens has just lost all of their honor here. Arvan should delevel to level 20 and restrict himself to old world zones and Spasepope should delete his character. Kittens should have to change their name to <Can't Even Cheat Well> for at least six months until they can fully unroot the massive cheating syndicate located within their ranks. Also limit themselves to 1 group mobs like KDT and Vilefang until order is restored.

deleveling sounds awesome! i got vulak axe and primal lol i should try it

[Ripqozko]

deleveling sounds awesome! i got vulak axe and primal lol i should try it

Primal procs at 55 hope that helps.

[mcoy]

Yes. This is a modern feature on most laptops/operating systems to prevent accidental clicks.

https://superuser.com/questions/399341/touchpad-does-not-respond-when-i-am-holding-key-on-the-keyboard

https://superuser.com/questions/644428/how-to-enable-synaptics-touchpad-while-typing-without-disabling-palmcheck

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cant-enable-touchpad-while-typing/7f8e8ff7-8807-4e6f-8fdd-3f651dcd55d4

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/unable-to-move-touchpad-mouse-while-typing/885c9194-cff1-40df-b406-d80b3ad1617c

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebooks-Archive-Read-Only/Touchpad-Doesn-t-work-while-typing-on-Windows-10/td-p/5370155

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Software-and-How-To-Questions/Can-t-move-mouse-while-typing/td-p/5428585

It's also super easy to disable - here's an example for a very common touchpad driver - Synaptics:

https://imgur.com/iQvGJsY.jpg

-Mcoy

[Jotok]

so long boxer!

[Rager and Quitter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8vTSUsjG2M

I was recently banned by the Project 1999 GMs for "boxing" for getting power-leveled by a guildie that could not complete the boxing test. I performed the test which was figure 8's around the fountains in Unrest and passed myself, however the other person could not citing they were using a laptop and did not have a mouse leading to them not being able to successfully run while doing figure 8's (modern laptops disable trackpad input when keyboard keys are engaged).

This video demonstrates the following.

1. Figure 8's with default setup without mouse (i.e. using laptop with trackpad)
2. Figure 8's with default setup with mouse
3. Figure 8's with strafe setup with mouse
4. Inability to do figure 8's while in motion with strafe setup without a mouse (i.e. using a trackpad on a laptop that is force disabled when keyboard keys are engaged)

The "boxing test" fails to account for individuals that may very well NOT be boxing; but due to their setups are forced into failure by the GMs given the current "boxing test" does not account for alternative setups or lack of a traditional mouse.

TL;DR/DW "boxing test" will generate false positives for people with non-traditional setups and bans for people not boxing. I'm also probably going to quit P99 because this is ridiculous you can be banned for something outside of your control.

Dude, consider yourself lucky. P99 started out as a great server, but it's a disaster right now and it won't get any better. The GMs have created so many detrimental presedents that they probably fear losing credibility if they were to back off of those decisions. It's painful, I know, to admit P99 is no longer worth your time because it used to be such a good place, but there are far too many toxic people playing and far too much favoritism and looking the other way to justify any significant investment in the server anymore. I moved over to TAKP and I'm severely disappointed that I didn't years ago. The community is so much better at TAKP, it really doesn't compare. Best of luck.

[mythrope]

Dude, consider yourself lucky. P99 started out as a great server, but it's a disaster right now and it won't get any better. The GMs have created so many detrimental presedents that they probably fear losing credibility if they were to back off of those decisions. It's painful, I know, to admit P99 is no longer worth your time because it used to be such a good place, but there are far too many toxic people playing and far too much favoritism and looking the other way to justify any significant investment in the server anymore. I moved over to TAKP and I'm severely disappointed that I didn't years ago. The community is so much better at TAKP, it really doesn't compare. Best of luck.

TAKP actually looks interesting, I remember seeing some videos by SuperBitsandBob on YouTube a while back with him playing on there. Looks like less drama too with the raid scene than Kittens/Vanquish/Riot on 1999. I'll check it out thanks!

[Ennewi]

Tried the same story out on reddit. Didn't work there either. So long, misanthrope.

[Arvan]

Primal procs at 55 hope that helps.

lvl 55 is involved in leveling back up i hope this helps you

[Ripqozko]

lvl 55 is involved in leveling back up i hope this helps you

you wont make it if you deleveled to 4 back to 55, hope that helps.

[Arvan]

you wont make it if you deleveled to 4 back to 55, hope that helps.

What does that even mean? It did not help.

[Skarne]

going from 4-60 a second time with all raid no drop gear is actually the most fun ive ever had in everquest. highly recommend.

[Allishia]

going from 4-60 a second time with all raid no drop gear is actually the most fun ive ever had in everquest. highly recommend.

Once I get ruby tear and few other things I plan to do that on war. Can't wait :p

[Teako]

This thread is wild. Reminds me of when Aikons got Sirfloppin's shaman alt banned because he got caught twobox PL'ing his wizard alt. Everyone's fault but yours for cheating.

Cheated, got caught, banned. Get booted/blacklisted for cheating.

[Trexller]

yeah because GMs and their boxing tests are infallible.

never a mistake, never a false positive.

all of you cucks going, "Cya, Cheater!" are the same douche bags who log in on their main account and then connect a port/buff/rez bot via mobile hotspot or vpn

[Chortles Snortles]

dude the GMs totally faked the ip routing tables
(lol)

[Ripqozko]

Once I get ruby tear and few other things I plan to do that on war. Can't wait :p

There's always another item, it never ends. Hope that helps.

[starkind]

If there's a false positive and on top of this you fail to do figure 8s. That's like the odds of getting bit by a shark while being struck by lightning simultaneously. Lol.

[mycoolrausch]

yeah because GMs and their boxing tests are infallible.

never a mistake, never a false positive.

all of you cucks going, "Cya, Cheater!" are the same douche bags who log in on their main account and then connect a port/buff/rez bot via mobile hotspot or vpn

I'm pretty sure nobody would care that much one way or the other if he didn't risk someone else's account with hundreds of hours of gear and levels on it he didn't contribute.

[ReoDobbs]

That track pad without mouse "test" is hilarious. Are you doing it with your feet? I'm stupid clumsy any time I play with a trackpad but I look like a pro gamer compared to whatever you're trying to feign/prove with this youtube video.

Going to voice what others have said. If you don't want to be banned for boxing, don't box.

[zelld52]

I swarm kited on bard with trackpad just fine. I don’t do the hacker style hit both A+D and then enter twice (hackers only do this)

But I can hold down W while strafing on the trackpad just fine. But I hate swarming it got hard in firiona vie and my bard is human and it’s hard to see at night

Good thread, 4/5 stars

[AwesomeSquared]

Long time KWSM member here and I can confirm they are a bunch of filthy fucking liars. Did you know that less than 1/3 of their members are actually cats? How is this shit even legal?

I've also never once meowed. I'll probably get kicked once the GMs realize and conduct a meow test and I get banned as a result.

Wow, that feels better. The truth really does set you free.

[unsunghero]

I've also never once meowed. I'll probably get kicked once the GMs realize and conduct a meow test and I get banned as a result.

Wow, that feels better. The truth really does set you free.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WsK6Lqc6u30

[cd288]

My other question on this is how do they determine who is banned vs just suspended? For example wasnt Furoar suspended for boxing? Might have been a pretty lengthy suspension but it was still a suspension. Whereas others get flat out permanently banned. How do they determine who gets to keep their account or not?

[starkind]

The only thing that you need to remember is that you can go to hell if you box. /\

[Arvan]

My other question on this is how do they determine who is banned vs just suspended? For example wasnt Furoar suspended for boxing? Might have been a pretty lengthy suspension but it was still a suspension. Whereas others get flat out permanently banned. How do they determine who gets to keep their account or not?

I believe it depends on if it was a tough time of year or not? Not too sure but i believe that’s how its decided.

[nilzark]

TLDR = some uber guild has boxing bots !

[Fawqueue]

My favorite part of this thread is the narrative that someone logged on a guild box, reached out to a random member, didn't disclose who they were, offered a PL that went on long enough to attract GM attention, happened to have some scewy keyboard setup that doesn't allow figure eights, and has no interest in clearing their name as well. The OP thinks all of that is more plausible to us than them just getting caught cheating - and I love it.

[starkind]

Pray for the OPs soul.

Brad is crying in his office over at 989 studios right now.

[Ooloo]

My favorite part of this thread is the narrative that someone logged on a guild box, reached out to a random member, didn't disclose who they were, offered a PL that went on long enough to attract GM attention, happened to have some scewy keyboard setup that doesn't allow figure eights, and has no interest in clearing their name as well. The OP thinks all of that is more plausible to us than them just getting caught cheating - and I love it.

Yeah it's pretty funny as a lurker of this thread with no dog in the fight. I play on green like a loser.

[Reiwa]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WsK6Lqc6u30

Carl Winslow still kickin ass. Good on him!

[cd288]

Carl Winslow still kickin ass. Good on him!

Much like Ukraine still kicking ass against Russia lol

[cd288]

This is shown in the video -- with normal movement key bindings it is possible; however, for setups that opt to use strafe keys (used primarily for kiters for quicker run speed), it's impossible without a traditional mouse to turn while moving. This is where the "boxing test" fails and results in false positives with people that legitimately cannot complete it.

The question is if it’s a “setup” that you have that cause the issue, then why not message the GM at the time and say “hey can you give me 5 minutes before we start the test? I have a setup on my laptop with these strafe keys that makes it hard to do the figure 8 without a mouse. Let me just change those key binds quickly so I can do the test effectively and we’ll be good to go”

[Delekhan]

Always put yourself in a position to pass a box test even if you aren't boxing.

[greasemonk]

Always put yourself in a position to pass a box test even if you aren't boxing.

Speaking from experience!

[Delekhan]

Speaking from experience!

I've never had a box test and I never will. Many people afk leech or do other things that are borderline. While yes you aren't boxing, you will be screwed anyway.

[Reiwa]

Much like Ukraine still kicking ass against Russia lol

Libs are heckin spiteful. :p

[Chortles Snortles]

upboaterino!!!!

[starkind]

Heckin upboats.

https://i.imgur.com/RtlSN.png

[cd288]

Libs are heckin spiteful. :p

Not a lib just pointing out facts

[unsunghero]

Carl Winslow still kickin ass. Good on him!

Yeah his facial expression is great there. I also love how the other lawyer objects with “she’s not a cat” while he’s wearing giant fake rubber hands over his own hands because he’s insecure about how small his hands are

[apathe]

I've also never once meowed. I'll probably get kicked once the GMs realize and conduct a meow test and I get banned as a result.

Wow, that feels better. The truth really does set you free.

Xyram — 06/06/2021
🐱 Meow!

[Ripqozko]

Xyram — 06/06/2021
🐱 Meow!

Oof called out

[greenspectre]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WsK6Lqc6u30

This is easily one of the top 5 scenes of Sunny as a show. I remember CRYING laughing and thank you for reminding me it existed, and in a relevant way!

[Hardly]

Idk about y'all but doing figure 8s with just A & D seems rather straight forward. No need for a mouse /shrug

[starkind]

plz do boxing test in kedge, if u don't have cc animal and eb u automatically fail cuz f u

[Jimjam]

plz do boxing test in kedge, if u don't have cc animal and eb u automatically fail cuz f u

Boxing test in kedge should be do an underwater backflip.

[starkind]

:)

[Zwieback]

Just avoid contact to other players and you are safe.

[slard271]

Seems like OP is definitely correct and right here and RnF is simply behind the ball on this one. He is innocent and it's def conclusive that his story pans out. It's fine that the vast majority of folks are clearly wrong in their suppositions but it's okay because we're all fallible. I'm typing this on my debian laptop which I just did a fresh install of eq for funsies from a hotel and I can also confirm that my strafe key setup prevents me from even typing the character '8' let alone making an elf run in the topology of the new Meta logo. I hope this helps for everyone.

[branamil]

This is completely unfair! The boxing test also false flagged my autistic daughter who finds it comforting to cast complete heal on me, her unemployed diabetic father, every 10 seconds and then sit. It's the only thing that calls her anxiety. And I have given her strict instructions not to talk to strangers on the internet so that's why she wouldn't reply to the GM. Those crooks took away her only hobby!!!

[Trexller]

This is completely unfair! The boxing test also false flagged my autistic daughter who finds it comforting to cast complete heal on me, her unemployed diabetic father, every 10 seconds and then sit. It's the only thing that calls her anxiety. And I have given her strict instructions not to talk to strangers on the internet so that's why she wouldn't reply to the GM. Those crooks took away her only hobby!!!

If true, GMs are horrible

If false, you're horrible

[Ooloo]

The GM's caught me for boxing but I totally wasn't but when they had me do the figure 8 test smoke started coming out of my computer and then *I*burst into flame and couldn't complete the test it was weird but this test is flawed and ripe for false positives like mine.

[hobart]

I now make anyone who wants to group with me run figure eights before letting them join.

[slard271]

In an effort to promote diversity, inclusiveness, and disincline inherent advantage/privilege to ambidextrous folks, this test should be rebranded to be figure 1's.

[starkind]

This is completely unfair! The boxing test also false flagged my autistic daughter who finds it comforting to cast complete heal on me, her unemployed diabetic father, every 10 seconds and then sit. It's the only thing that calls her anxiety. And I have given her strict instructions not to talk to strangers on the internet so that's why she wouldn't reply to the GM. Those crooks took away her only hobby!!!

Probably explains why I like playing clerics.

[PlsNoBan]

Consider not boxing, hope that helps.

[cd288]

It's always odd that these people who are "not boxing" never just offer to jump into Discord with the GM at the time. Like if a GM accuses you of boxing why don't you be like "sure we can do the test, cool if the three of us jump into Discord right now so you can more easily walk us through it?"

You literally just proved that there is a real live person sitting there with you

[Encroaching Death]

If I was a GM, I would make players hold hands on a Zoom call or something.

"Now kiss each other to prove you're not the same person"

[magnetaress]

Make boxing test a complex jump puzzle in which u need to simultaneously jump three characters in a pentagram pattern around the stones in solb where the imps are b4 the djinn guy

[Encroaching Death]

Make boxing test a complex jump puzzle in which u need to simultaneously jump three characters in a pentagram pattern around the stones in solb where the imps are b4 the djinn guy

It summons a "boxing succubus" which you must slay in your living room with a runed dagger bathed in lamb's blood. (You can buy this at Walmart, don't worry)

Only then will you be deemed worthy.

[Meitner]

Ok.

[Seidin]

The real test was to admit that you were three boxing and then you would have passed. Rookie mistake.

[Tewaz]

I love that this thread was resurrected by a bot advertising a crossword puzzle website. Lol.

[unsunghero]

It summons a "boxing succubus" which you must slay in your living room with a runed dagger bathed in lamb's blood. (You can buy this at Walmart, don't worry)

Only then will you be deemed worthy.

Slay her with my cawck you mean?

[Rager and Quitter]

Do you guys remember that one dude who got caught boxing, but his stupid ass didn't have an extra mouse for his laptop, so he got banned?

[Reiwa]

I love that this thread was resurrected by a bot advertising a crossword puzzle website. Lol.

[Khardan]

I love that this thread was resurrected by a bot advertising a crossword puzzle website. Lol.

Thanks for that - that bot survived over a year!

[Penarddan]

Boxing, this is my element, always interested in this sport, as well as taking all kinds of quizzes, so I think that pass your quiz for me will not be difficult. I remember when I first started in this sport, at that time various quizzes were popular. I started solving them as but on the subject that I liked at the time, which was boxing. So I was constantly going through and memorizing many facts about the sport. There were times when I came across difficult questions that I did not know. At these moments, turned quiz solver (https://crosswordquizsolutions.com), in order to pass this level and learn something new. That's when I became an expert.

I guess when someone on the street comes at you with aggression, then you'll fight them off with facts about boxing:p. Just destroy it. :D:D

[azxten]

I love that this thread was resurrected by a bot advertising a crossword puzzle website. Lol.

Holy shit that takes me back. XRumer must still be alive. It's main benefit was always captcha solving but it was built around managing forum accounts and making SEO spam link posts. Makes me nostalgic.

[Valakut]

any idea if the page up and page down keys were functional?

also if you ever get banned and its a mistake just take it to petition forum quietly. the second you start flaming a GM you've now turned 1 problem into 2. and staff harassment can only be petitioned to rogean and you're just trying to fight physics at that point.

[LazyHydras]

Consider not boxing, hope that helps.

Could always consider Red. Just saying.

[wagorf]

It's always odd that these people who are "not boxing" never just offer to jump into Discord with the GM at the time. Like if a GM accuses you of boxing why don't you be like "sure we can do the test, cool if the three of us jump into Discord right now so you can more easily walk us through it?"

You literally just proved that there is a real live person sitting there with you

Can any GM feedback and approve if discord group chat (or video chat) can serve as proof?

Cuz I'd love to get my gf to PL me by clicking a button every few minutes, but I ain't risking it cuz i dont know if she can pass the figure 8 test, then there will be all these crazy folks saying to stop lying you are boxing you don't have gf gtfo etc.

[k9quaint]

Feetpics are the answer.
Just ask Sarah Silverman.

[Danth]

Can any GM feedback and approve if discord group chat (or video chat) can serve as proof?

Cuz I'd love to get my gf to PL me by clicking a button every few minutes, but I ain't risking it cuz i dont know if she can pass the figure 8 test, then there will be all these crazy folks saying to stop lying you are boxing you don't have gf gtfo etc.

When I asked a similar question about a then- 6-year-old, they emphatically said no, knowing there are physical people is not enough, the people in question must be active in-game and able to perform the needed functions on demand. As such I didn't let the daughter play P99 until she was a couple years older and I was more confident she could read and follow such instructions if necessary.

Danth

[Encroaching Death]

Feetpics are the answer.
Just ask Sarah Silverman.

Sarah Silverman posted feet pics?

....where?

[Basanos]

Sarah Silverman posted feet pics?

....where?I am troubled that there is a foot fetish guy among us

Or I am pleased that there is an effective troll among us

[cd288]

When I asked a similar question about a then- 6-year-old, they emphatically said no, knowing there are physical people is not enough, the people in question must be active in-game and able to perform the needed functions on demand. As such I didn't let the daughter play P99 until she was a couple years older and I was more confident she could read and follow such instructions if necessary.

Danth

I don’t think it suffices as proof but surely would help the GM to understand that you’re dealing with someone who might be new to the game or video games in general.

Just like hey man before we do the boxing test can we hop in discord so you can explain it a bit more to this person? They’re nervous and are kind of new

[Kithani]

Just like hey man before we do the boxing test can we hop in discord so you can explain it a bit more to this person? They’re nervous and are kind of new

Imagine being nervous about dancing like a monkey for some neckbeard power trip GM on p99 lmao

If you fail, you get to finally escape the asylum.

[magnetaress]

Make everyone do the boxing test on a regular basis


Assign random partners tho )

[Jimjam]

Make everyone do the boxing test on a regular basis


Assign random partners tho )

“Do a barrel roll.”

[Ratchet51]

Imagine being nervous about dancing like a monkey for some neckbeard power trip GM on p99 lmao

If you fail, you get to finally escape the asylum.

I know I belong in the asylum though, that's the problem. I'm not ready for the real world.

[PabloEdvardo]

The best part of the thread is that GMs have WAY more information about all of us than we do. If they ban someone for boxing, it wasn't just because of the boxing test. There's a reason that security procedures are usually not publicized.

However, the issue with palm detection is quite legit -- I bought a new gaming laptop almost a year ago and it came with Win11, but didn't include any sort of 3rd party software setting to disable it and it was driving me nuts because it messed with being able to strafe in game when using the trackpad (which I used for like 3 days till I got a mouse like any normal human being).

I found how to disable it in Win11: you have to go to your windows settings for trackpad and there's a setting somewhere for "sensitivity" and you set it to "most sensitive" and it disables palm rejection in Win11 ��

[Allishia]

Always run obs or fraps imo. I've seen a recent boxing accusation over turned because the player provided video that he wasn't boxing /nod