What did you learn from the first Green? Let's chat!

[Cen]

As we enjoy our final year of Green that is mostly close to content sync with Blue, did you learn anything about the game or process that you didn't learn in classic or Blue? If you come back to a fresh Green in the future, what might you do differently?

My biggest change is that I shelved my previous classes even if I loved them, but I did long for some of them to play again. On Blue as a big Bard and Wizard main player, I really missed what they bring as a Cleric and Monk main but enjoyed the change of pace. I really wanted to also get my first epic of all time, but I've resigned that even choosing the easiest classes for epics won't make it that easy. I really had fun questing for my robe of the lost circle, but I'll never be able to finish the Cleric or Monk epics due to the social constraints epics really need (respect for those who can finish one since I now know what that means in your ability to make a lot of friends). I also learned that Clerics are
.. a lot less needed then everyone rattles on about :p my clerics guild had a surplus to the point that it was never useful to bring the cleric along.

For the next Green I again want to main what I haven't. I've dabbled in most classes but I now have resolved to only know one fact about the next world.. I'm going to main an Ogre something. Id like to be a cool legendary Ogre character but haven't chosen which of the three classes. I like all those classes and I'd like to see what I can bring the most potential out of (and I guess having an epic or best in slot lacking puts some classes ahead of others).

I won't start as a non main farm character like a lot of people do. That's not my style :p

[Shinko]

Ogre war

[wuanahto]

Every class all starting stats into Stamina
cant fight autism/determination
Not as fun back to back. blue i had a fucking blast because it was like 10-15~ years since classic
New servers cheapen the experience and lessens the impact you had in the previous server. I learned this lesson years ago with SWGEmu because they wipe servers for major patches but i still let it happen to me again.

[Jibartik]

What did you learn from the first Green? Let's chat!

Spam through character create and put all your starting stats into wisdom if you're playing a necro.

Or did I learn not to do that?... I cant remember.

[sajbert]

I learned that raiding sucks thus making wizard a poor choice for me indeed.

That 4 days at a list camp will trump years of regular play but that it's all about account sharing.

That farm classes dump on every other class.

If there ever is a next green I may not play at all.

[Thrombosis]

1. That I should have played Enchanter on Live instead of Paladin.
2. I probably should have kept my characters on a US server instead of moving them to AB. Playing at non-peak hours keeps me sane.
3. No, if I'd started playing EQ on server launch day instead of mid-Velious I still wouldn't have been in a top-level guild.
4. There's an absolute ton of content in vanilla and the first two expansions.
5. Raiding does indeed suck, and probably hurt EQ in the end. A single group in a dungeon is so much more fun.

[Keebz]

Kunark is my least favorite era.

[Balimon]

Kunark is my least favorite era.

Agreed, and I relearned this. I really enjoyed classic, and I was looking forward to Kunark, but I spent most of the expansion trying to level. I finally got 60 right before Velious, (yes I'm a casual, whatever man) but Velious has been awesome, really enjoying raiding again.

[Faxi]

I learned how badly I want a single box Planes of Power server.

[Jimjam]

Newbie zones need their classic respawn system where all newbie mobs are linked with 2 other newbie mobs and all three instantly respawn after the last of the three are killed.

[Chortles Snortles]

OP, i too have permanently shelved what I thought was my favorite class (SK) in favor of a class i previously rolled as a joke (NEC) initially to play with an IRELF
Also joined iksar bandwagon with current NEC, as can’t deny innate regens bonus when you’ve flopped successfully at sub 100 hp (happens more than u think)

agree 2that next time is new class or perhaps finally revisit untouched live class for the first time since live (wiz)

***I love Kunark!!!!

[Cen]

I too think Kunark is my favorite era, something about its size and mystery makes it magical to me. Its huge, but also densely explorable and dipped with content. Velious has giant zones of emptiness with little points of interest, like the planets in the vastness of space. Theres something so different in their design

[Tunabros]

I learned that not everyone will stay and play all the way to velious

vektis, jennaveeve, etc where you all at! =(

[wuanahto]

I learned that not everyone will stay and play all the way to velious

it was the start of extreme ac and giga hp fights which lead to luclin
next server if they cap it at kunark and sped up raid respawn times to a day or so would be perfect

[Toxigen]

I learned I made the right decision to just stay on Blue.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I learned I made the right decision to just stay on Blue.

[cd288]

That the beginning of the server is fun when everyone is starting fresh and the world is crowded, but by the time Kunark is released there’s really no point to not just playing on Blue

[Crede]

I really wanted to also get my first epic of all time, but I've resigned that even choosing the easiest classes for epics won't make it that easy. I really had fun questing for my robe of the lost circle, but I'll never be able to finish the Cleric or Monk epics due to the social constraints epics really need (respect for those who can finish one since I now know what that means in your ability to make a lot of friends).


The majority of epics really have no social constraints. You can be pretty casual and get most of them if you know how to farm pp to buy the mqs with little to no actual raiding required. Cleric epic is like 40k?

My advice to anyone is to make an enchanter first which makes playing pretty much any other class easy, get rich, and then go and twink the piss outta alts and get epics and whatever else your heart desires.

[Castle2.0]

Get manastones. Get them in bunches. Get them early.
Attempt to do what no one has done before
I learned a lot about logistics, organization, determination, and Google sheets via scroll questing (see signature)
Moments in time cannot be repeated. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU7Ga7qTLDU) Nostalgia is a mirage. A feeling that leads to nowhere. It can be enjoyed as a mirage, but any serious pursuit makes it vanish. Thus, I sought out other adventures in Norrath instead of trying to relive the past. Even so, Vanity, all is Vanity says the Preacher.
Norrath is like the real world：良莠不齐 --> a mix of good and bad folks
Everquest is just one adventure. There are others. Maybe we come back around for another jaunt -- new servers are always fun when everyone is broke and we're all just trying to make our way. But there is a time to move on (see point 4)
Any closed system run by humans can be corrupted. Stay frosty.
Don't build sand castles in someone else's sandbox. They won't appreciate it. Build a real castle on the Rock.

[cd288]

The majority of epics really have no social constraints. You can be pretty casual and get most of them if you know how to farm pp to buy the mqs with little to no actual raiding required. Cleric epic is like 40k?

My advice to anyone is to make an enchanter first which makes playing pretty much any other class easy, get rich, and then go and twink the piss outta alts and get epics and whatever else your heart desires.

As far as epics go, paying for everything sounds extremely boring and lame. Part of the fun with epics is the feeling of accomplishment having done the whole quest. Not only the great feeling when you finally finish all the grindy solo parts, but also having people come together to help you with the portions that you need multiple groups (or at least a group) to take down. That’s what EQ is all about.

If you’re paying for your entire epic you might as well go play WoW or some other “single player MMO”. Farming plat solo and then buying your epic and avoiding all interaction with others…seems like you’re missing the point of what makes EQ great

[Crede]

As far as epics go, paying for everything sounds extremely boring and lame. Part of the fun with epics is the feeling of accomplishment having done the whole quest. Not only the great feeling when you finally finish all the grindy solo parts, but also having people come together to help you with the portions that you need multiple groups (or at least a group) to take down. That’s what EQ is all about.

If you’re paying for your entire epic you might as well go play WoW or some other “single player MMO”. Farming plat solo and then buying your epic and avoiding all interaction with others…seems like you’re missing the point of what makes EQ great

This game has plenty of solo oriented classes/content, I'm not sure what's up with this "group or gtfo" mentality that I've been seeing on the forums lately. There's nothing like a good dungeon crawl with some buddies, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game doing some solo stuff, especially when you have limited playtime. I'm not trying to say to avoid people at all costs, I'm just saying epics aren't necessarily as difficult to acquire as people think they are. You don't need to be this hardcore raider doing crazy things in the middle of the night to make it happen. Monk epic especially is not that difficult, you might need some raid help for a few of the parts but you can get that pretty easily in any guild as a casual. People are pretty generous around here, ask around and you will find help eventually if you don't wish to go the MQ route.

[Shac]

feel like instancing some raids, at least planes might make it less of a headache for gms to manage.

[Keza]

People are pretty generous around here, ask around and you will find help eventually if you don't wish to go the MQ route.

There are a lot of helpful people, but begging for randoms to help you with epics feels the same as paying for it, personally. I'd feel embarassed asking randoms to help me with a raid target and I wouldn't feel happy about finally getting the epic because the feeling that you leeched it will always stain the memory. Same for joining a guild just for loot, which is what even the casual ones are really all about. They'll give unguilded alts epic pieces before newer guild members without a second thought, by the time you get your epic even in a "friendly casual" guild you'll be bitter.

It's basically the difference between soloing/grouping to level and begging for buffs/buying PLs, except on a more memorable scale. Everyone is so loot focused that epics are always gonna taste sour unless you bring a big group of friends into the game together or have no shame in how you obtain them, 'cuz most guilds aren't that friendly EQ1 experience. They're either a close-knit group of cringelords making a guild that randoms join or they're a big farming guild where you're unlikely to make friends. In my experience, anyway.

On-topic, I barely touched green 1 due to IRL stuff, but I re-learned that Luclin doesn't exist in more ways than one. Night be dark, y'all.

[derpcake2]

Despite p1999 having been around for a decade, some people are still bad at EQ.

The server is far to hospitable to newbies and bad players.

[tadkins]

As far as epics go, paying for everything sounds extremely boring and lame. Part of the fun with epics is the feeling of accomplishment having done the whole quest. Not only the great feeling when you finally finish all the grindy solo parts, but also having people come together to help you with the portions that you need multiple groups (or at least a group) to take down. That’s what EQ is all about.

If you’re paying for your entire epic you might as well go play WoW or some other “single player MMO”. Farming plat solo and then buying your epic and avoiding all interaction with others…seems like you’re missing the point of what makes EQ great
Not everyone has a guild or reliable friends they can call on. I'm sure most folks if given the choice would earn their epic the original way. I'm sure not everyone can relate but those memories of asking for help with things only to be met with crickets rings strong with a lot of us.

If my epic were buyable (I'm not sure if it is) I'd certainly consider it.

[Crede]

There are a lot of helpful people, but begging for randoms to help you with epics feels the same as paying for it, personally. I'd feel embarassed asking randoms to help me with a raid target and I wouldn't feel happy about finally getting the epic because the feeling that you leeched it will always stain the memory. Same for joining a guild just for loot, which is what even the casual ones are really all about. They'll give unguilded alts epic pieces before newer guild members without a second thought, by the time you get your epic even in a "friendly casual" guild you'll be bitter.

It's basically the difference between soloing/grouping to level and begging for buffs/buying PLs, except on a more memorable scale. Everyone is so loot focused that epics are always gonna taste sour unless you bring a big group of friends into the game together or have no shame in how you obtain them, 'cuz most guilds aren't that friendly EQ1 experience. They're either a close-knit group of cringelords making a guild that randoms join or they're a big farming guild where you're unlikely to make friends. In my experience, anyway.

On-topic, I barely touched green 1 due to IRL stuff, but I re-learned that Luclin doesn't exist in more ways than one. Night be dark, y'all.

So by this logic the only way to honorably achieve your epic is to get a big group of friends into the game together to help you? If one has that many "friends" that they can call upon at any moment to make that happen, I'd probably feel worse because that would likely have meant I've neglected my actual real life friends to make more in game.

I'll continue to collect my epics through my earned money/guild support to assist with things that I don't have the time for, feels plenty rewarding to me. Sorry for your bad guild experiences, mine have been pleasant for the most part.

[tadkins]

Sorry for your bad guild experiences, mine have been pleasant for the most part.

I've been in a few guilds on this server. Two I ended up leaving because they were filled with uncaring, snarky buttheads and I felt no sense of comraderie in them. Another one claimed to be helpful but never actually wanted to do anything with me.

One I just won't join because my unguilded characters get spam messages from them all the time. I don't think I'm going to find my forever home in a mass-invite guild.

There's one I'm currently in that is great. The guildchat is quirky at times, folks are nice and chill and I enjoy their company. But that guild? Dial a Port. You know what they're about, and I don't think they can muster epic help for me anytime soon.

It isn't so easy to find a good guild in this game for everyone.

[rain]

So by this logic the only way to honorably achieve your epic is to get a big group of friends into the game together to help you? If one has that many "friends" that they can call upon at any moment to make that happen, I'd probably feel worse because that would likely have meant I've neglected my actual real life friends to make more in game.

I'll continue to collect my epics through my earned money/guild support to assist with things that I don't have the time for, feels plenty rewarding to me. Sorry for your bad guild experiences, mine have been pleasant for the most part.

Best to not waste your time on narrow-minded people who think their way of playing the game is the only way to play the game.

My personal opinion is that what makes EQ great is there are so many different ways to progress/enjoy the game and you're free to pick and choose which avenues suit you.

[Naxy]

I relearned that a close group of friends you can hang out with beats everything else.

[Jibartik]

I learned 3 years takes a long time.

Which is probably the best news I've heard in the last few years.

[Cenen]

Bind at the fire pot room. It makes life so much easier for classes without port spells.

[tadkins]

Bind at the fire pot room.

Definitely doing this one next time around.

My sister and I are already resolving to be an enchanter/cleric duo in the next Green.

[greenspectre]

I learned what it feels like to hit that SLOW macro knowing that my slow was the one that turned the tide for the raid.

I made Lobnor to slow Dragons and goddammit if that still isn't the funnest thing in this game.

[Bardp1999]

OP, i too have permanently shelved what I thought was my favorite class (SK) in favor of a class i previously rolled as a joke (NEC) initially to play with an IRELF
Also joined iksar bandwagon with current NEC, as can’t deny innate regens bonus when you’ve flopped successfully at sub 100 hp (happens more than u think)

agree 2that next time is new class or perhaps finally revisit untouched live class for the first time since live (wiz)

***I love Kunark!!!!

a fine science

[JayDee]

Kunark is my least favorite era.

Rich lore, content for solo group and raid players, new playable race, more spells and abilities.

I personally think the game gets worse with every expansion. Especially velious that caters to raider and is perhaps too expansive for a server with 500 players - or imagine red with 50

[tadkins]

Rich lore, content for solo group and raid players, new playable race, more spells and abilities.


My only complaints about Kunark...

-Mob density, made the zones a pain to travel through, though they realized this issue and fixed it in later expacs.
-Many of the dungeons look basically the same. I understand there's a theme for the expansion but it kind of blended together, was a bit disillusioning.
-Total lack of music.

Other than that though, the expansion definitely had a lot of good points too. Thematically I like Velious a bit more but I appreciate Kunark's addition as basically the Australia of Norrath. xD

[MaCtastic]

As far as epics go, paying for everything sounds extremely boring and lame. Part of the fun with epics is the feeling of accomplishment having done the whole quest. Not only the great feeling when you finally finish all the grindy solo parts, but also having people come together to help you with the portions that you need multiple groups (or at least a group) to take down. That’s what EQ is all about.

If you’re paying for your entire epic you might as well go play WoW or some other “single player MMO”. Farming plat solo and then buying your epic and avoiding all interaction with others…seems like you’re missing the point of what makes EQ great

You aren’t wrong. Some people see this as an economics problem; others want to enjoy it just as you’ve said. I prefer your route myself.

[MaCtastic]

Despite p1999 having been around for a decade, some people are still bad at EQ.

The server is far to hospitable to newbies and bad players.

I wonder if this outlook is what led red to the promised land.

[cd288]

You aren’t wrong. Some people see this as an economics problem; others want to enjoy it just as you’ve said. I prefer your route myself.

Yeah I mean I’m not judging people for soloing. I’ve soloed some characters almost entirely. But then I ask myself why am I playing on P99 if that’s what I want to do? If I want to solo the whole way I could play way easier and honestly more “fun” MMOs on the solo side - although soloing Is still boring overall but at least it’s more engaging in other MMOs.

EQ is about that player to player interaction. Soloing everything defeats the point of playing the game.

[tadkins]

EQ is about that player to player interaction. Soloing everything defeats the point of playing the game.

What does one do if they can't get groups? Like if they play a wizard, or just don't have much in the way of connections at all?

[Videri]

What does one do if they can't get groups? Like if they play a wizard, or just don't have much in the way of connections at all?

He's right. You gotta make friends. You have to make connections. Help others and they will help you.

One advantage wizards have is they can port around and collect themselves a group. Also, they solo faster than most groups exp.

[tadkins]

He's right. You gotta make friends. You have to make connections. Help others and they will help you.

One advantage wizards have is they can port around and collect themselves a group. Also, they solo faster than most groups exp.

I've helped tons of people with CR ports throughout the months. One dude I helped with a CR port when he was next in line for the elder beads loot, and it was because of me that he got them in time.

Just yesterday on my lowbie ranger I was able to help someone with a tracking job.

Never once have I seen a return on investment for any of that though. Whenever it comes time for me to need assistance, my friends the crickets come out to sing. I'm just so tired of trying.

[Cen]

I think when a new green adventure comes, I might try to just main Ogre Shadowknight. The kid in me has always wanted a great shadow knight, even if the class is considered terrible. Its such a great class.

[PatChapp]

Yeah I mean I’m not judging people for soloing. I’ve soloed some characters almost entirely. But then I ask myself why am I playing on P99 if that’s what I want to do? If I want to solo the whole way I could play way easier and honestly more “fun” MMOs on the solo side - although soloing Is still boring overall but at least it’s more engaging in other MMOs.

EQ is about that player to player interaction. Soloing everything defeats the point of playing the game.

While soloing I'm usually either half afk, or chatting with friends/guild chat. You don't need to be in a group to interact. Grouping is fine and fun but it's not always an option for real life

[Trexller]

I think when a new green adventure comes, I might try to just main Ogre Shadowknight. The kid in me has always wanted a great shadow knight, even if the class is considered terrible. Its such a great class.

nothing has the purpose built snap agro of an sk. pally close second but for real a warrior can taunt and proc all day, ench can stun and mez to their hearts content, and i can still peel agro in 2 spells. thats what sk is all about, snap agro and FD

[Keebz]

nothing has the purpose built snap agro of an sk. pally close second but for real a warrior can taunt and proc all day, ench can stun and mez to their hearts content, and i can still peel agro in 2 spells. thats what sk is all about, snap agro and FD

Flame Lick is a little stronger aggro than DC and Snare is about as good as Shadow Vortex. But it's true SK does have a few more non-damage aggro options (including pbaoe) as well as FD as opposed to... well regular D.

[DeliciousHalflings]

Rich lore, content for solo group and raid players, new playable race, more spells and abilities.

I personally think the game gets worse with every expansion. Especially velious that caters to raider and is perhaps too expansive for a server with 500 players - or imagine red with 50

I agree to a point. Kunark had very muddy graphics with a lot of shades of green, brown, and grey taking the majority of Kunark art. It's, by far, the ugliest expansion, even if functionality improved a but.

Velious definitely caters to the raid scene, though there is quite a bit of group content. Solo stuff is minimal, and you need to be 50+ to experience most of it. The color scheme is blinding at times, though sprites are a lot easier to see than Kunark. The expansion, overall, is still my favorite of any MMO I've played. The Giants vs Dwarves vs Dragons story dynamic is interesting, and really dictates which raid targets someone goes for.

[Trexller]

Flame Lick is a little stronger aggro than DC and Snare is about as good as Shadow Vortex. But it's true SK does have a few more non-damage aggro options (including pbaoe) as well as FD as opposed to... well regular D.

ah right ive been playing takp too long. after luclin SKs get a direct agro line of spells starting at like lvl 22 or so. no damage, no debuffs, just straight raw agro, and self buffs with hate multipliers.

while flame lick is great, on p99 it seems in my experience that DC is still the snappiest of snap agro, its pretty OP, if the first DC doesnt snap agro to you, the next cast of SV will, on p99. DC does like no agro at all on takp.

its been a looonng time since i played an SK on p99, these days i just periodically log on my ench and screw around with stuff or find random players to ninja buff.

Paladin is a strong agro machine for sure, i just gotta have that FD...

[Insaiyan]

I learned that it would be more fun if there was a Red pvp style server that could maintain green population. Competing for camps with players who are @holes and non-diplomatic could easily be resolved through combat. Maybe one day.

[DeliciousHalflings]

I learned that it would be more fun if there was a Red pvp style server that could maintain green population. Competing for camps with players who are @holes and non-diplomatic could easily be resolved through combat. Maybe one day.

I certainly hope not. EverQuest PvP is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to MMO PvP. Half the classes can't compete at all.

[Aeaolena]

What does one do if they can't get groups? Like if they play a wizard, or just don't have much in the way of connections at all?

I had a druid main on live early 2000's and one of the best things I learned was just to be the one who forms the group.


And as a teleportation class, you have a built in advantage of being able to offer a lift to anyone you are trying to pull from your /who all's. I'll try to explain the best way I can, because I think I've seen you express this problem on another thread.


How to get a group as a Teleporter. DIY method.
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Lets say you're low 40's and you go into solb and you ooc "camp check" and there's no one doing Champion/Priest. If I remember correctly, it's a good camp for 40-48 range.

Ideally you want a cleric, a tank, a cc, and 3 dps. So you slot yourself into one of the DPS slots and try to recruit the most important class first- a cleric.

/who all cleric 40 48

Do not add "lfg" to your search, you don't need to: Look at what zone they are in instead. Are they in guk or another exp zone? Probably already grouped. Have a LFG tag? Perfect, ask them first. Otherwise, just look for who isn't in an exp zone and shoot them a tell. Shoot every single one a tell without waiting for a response, starting with the person who looks the most promising level.

/tell cleric "Hey! Interested in a solb Priest/Champ group? I can give you a lift." . If someone says Yes, then just tell anyone else who replies "sorry, already found someone =(" or "Just found someone, Sorry. Ty for replying though =("

Once you have the cleric, just repeat, but mention that you have a cleric.

/who all war 40 48
/who all pal 40 48
/who all shad 40 48

Look at the zones, send tells to everyone who seems promising, but /tell Tank "Hey! Interested in forming up a solb Priest/Champ group? Got a cleric already, and I can give you a lift." or "/tell Tank "interested in a priest/champ group? Got a cleric, and can port"

Again, you are sending a tell to everyone who might be interested (is not in an exp zone already) in a rocket-fire fashion. Not waiting for a reply before sending the next one. If you can't find a traditional tank, a monk on the higher end of the level-span is great too.

Once you have the cleric/tank..

/who all enchanter 40 48
/who all bard 40 48

/tell Crowdcontrol "Hey! Forming up a Priest/Champ group in solb. Have cleric, warrior and evac/dps so far, filling other spots. Interested? I can pick you up."

/who all monk 40 48
/who all rogue 40 48
/who all shaman 40 48
etc, etc

/tell DPS "Hey! Forming up a Priest/Champ group in solb. Have cleric, tank, enc, evac/dps so far.. looking for another dps. Want to join us? I can pick you up"


Now you have your group, and you are in it, because you formed it. It formed quickly, because you advertised what classes you already had as you sent tells and people felt safer saying 'yes'. As people leave and get replaced from your group, if they did a good job - shoot them a tell saying so and asking if you may add them to your friends list. Most of the time, they'll say "Sure!" or "Thank you! added you too".

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Thank you for coming to my how-to-get-groups-as-a-teleporter Ted talk.

[Aeaolena]

Oh!

And don't forget your worth as an evac class. Everyone's biggest fear while leveling is that the group won't be good, and they'll spend half their available time doing a long CR. In certain zones like Sebilis CR's are a pain in the neck. You provide the group a "get out of jail free" card - so make sure you mention that if you try OOC'ing that you're LFG first.

/ooc 57 Wiz (Evac/DPS) LFG


Good luck !

[Chortles Snortles]

intro to how to make elf pals 101

[Tunabros]

I dont port people because it takes too long and the tips are horrible

https://i.imgur.com/LFvqx7d.png

[TheRusty]

1. Don't start as an Enchanter.
2. Don't get frustrated with your day 1 enchanter and try to swap to a Troll Shadowknight because OH BOY you forgot about class and race XP penalties.

[Cenen]

Use GINA,
a great timer utility. It can time spell durations, mob spawns and just about anything else. It takes a little bit of time to configure but it's worth it.

Use ZlizEQMap
a great map program.

Both of these programs use the log files so they are allowed on P1999.

[sajbert]

1. Don't start as an Enchanter.
2. Don't get frustrated with your day 1 enchanter and try to swap to a Troll Shadowknight because OH BOY you forgot about class and race XP penalties.

Why not chanter though?

Welcome in all groups.
Can solo, can solo VERY well post 30ish.
Can farm cash camps and it's not too stressful either in Classic.
Need no gear

Sure, you lack goblin ring but eh.

[Delekhan]

Why not chanter though?

Welcome in all groups.
Can solo, can solo VERY well post 30ish.
Can farm cash camps and it's not too stressful either in Classic.
Need no gear

Sure, you lack goblin ring but eh.

No Breeze and no clarity = no fun time for chanter.

[Delekhan]

The biggest thing that I learned about Green is that you really should just roll a Necro or Mage when you start. Once that toon is 50, you then start your real toon.

[Jimjam]

The biggest thing that I learned about Green is that you really should just roll a Necro or Mage when you start. Once that toon is 50, you then start your real toon.

Haha yea, level 39 mages complaining about how broken the pet spell system was and how they could barely kill blues (and in fairness pet research was broken in early classic) ... meanwhile I’m on my level 12 melee with a combine longsword getting killed by greens with three times the /played like “you guys can solo xp?!”

[Chortles Snortles]

overcoming the XP struggle in rags is part of the fun tbf

[sajbert]

The biggest thing that I learned about Green is that you really should just roll a Necro or Mage when you start. Once that toon is 50, you then start your real toon.

This is partly why I am not very interested in any new green server.

Having to play X class and farm in order to play Y class that you actually enjoy, meh.

I think the grind overall is a killer for me and I think if I ever do play on a green server I'd wish to keep it to a minimum. I.e. avoid classes that lead you down the grinding rabbit-hole and instead just go with ONE class and focus on grouping and having fun.

Now I'm thinking Cleric or Druid or Bard, and I'm somewhat on the fence on the bard due to the xp penalty and how it actually CAN get crazy expensive if you decide to go all the way with drums of the beast and whatnot.

[sajbert]

The biggest thing that I learned about Green is that you really should just roll a Necro or Mage when you start. Once that toon is 50, you then start your real toon.

This is partly why I am not very interested in any new green server.

Having to play X class and farm in order to play Y class that you actually enjoy, meh.

I think the grind overall is a killer for me and I think if I ever do play on a green server I'd wish to keep it to a minimum. I.e. avoid classes that lead you down the grinding rabbit-hole and instead just go with ONE class and focus on grouping and having fun.

Now I'm thinking Cleric or Druid or Bard, and I'm somewhat on the fence on the bard due to the xp penalty and how it actually CAN get crazy expensive if you decide to go all the way with drums of the beast and whatnot. Having at least Gate is really helpful as well.

[Jibartik]

killing mages on pve servers with trains should be considered gameplay.

[Delekhan]

This is partly why I am not very interested in any new green server.

Having to play X class and farm in order to play Y class that you actually enjoy, meh.

I think the grind overall is a killer for me and I think if I ever do play on a green server I'd wish to keep it to a minimum. I.e. avoid classes that lead you down the grinding rabbit-hole and instead just go with ONE class and focus on grouping and having fun.

Now I'm thinking Cleric or Druid or Bard, and I'm somewhat on the fence on the bard due to the xp penalty and how it actually CAN get crazy expensive if you decide to go all the way with drums of the beast and whatnot. Having at least Gate is really helpful as well.

You don't HAVE to, but it makes things a whole lot easier when even getting a magic weapon is difficult. If your goal is to lead the pack and min/max then that's the way to go. If you just wanna group and play whatever you want, it doesn't matter.

[Jibartik]

If you want to min max and your plan is to make a mage, so you can level a warrior next month, you're bad at min maxing.

[PatChapp]

Haha yea, level 39 mages complaining about how broken the pet spell system was and how they could barely kill blues (and in fairness pet research was broken in early classic) ... meanwhile I’m on my level 12 melee with a combine longsword getting killed by greens with three times the /played like “you guys can solo xp?!”

Wow buddy no need to flex that longsword so hard, yeesh.

[Ooloo]

You don't HAVE to, but it makes things a whole lot easier when even getting a magic weapon is difficult. If your goal is to lead the pack and min/max then that's the way to go. If you just wanna group and play whatever you want, it doesn't matter.

Yeah as usual there are two totally different mindsets coexisting on the same server. Which they should. But early green was so much fun for me. Getting a magic weapon and infravision on my shaman felt like such a huge accomplishment, and other players were actually grateful that somebody could cast a vision spell on them. It was glorious.

[cd288]

This is partly why I am not very interested in any new green server.

Having to play X class and farm in order to play Y class that you actually enjoy, meh.

I think the grind overall is a killer for me and I think if I ever do play on a green server I'd wish to keep it to a minimum. I.e. avoid classes that lead you down the grinding rabbit-hole and instead just go with ONE class and focus on grouping and having fun.

Now I'm thinking Cleric or Druid or Bard, and I'm somewhat on the fence on the bard due to the xp penalty and how it actually CAN get crazy expensive if you decide to go all the way with drums of the beast and whatnot. Having at least Gate is really helpful as well.

Yeah I’ve never understood Blue players who go to green and do this. Like you literally already have the ability to twink characters on Blue why go to a new server just to play a class you don’t necessarily want so you can twink new characters on Green?

And it’s not just people who want to “lead the pack” it’s a ton of casual players doing this too

[Ooloo]

I can understand why people might do that for legacy items, cause fashionquest is a hell of a drug, but blue players who didn't come over to green until after legacies stopped dropping are a complete mystery to me. (the vanilla legacies btw not like beads and stuff).

[Keebz]

It's not really worth making a farm class first if you want to play something else imho. All the gear you can buy is disposable by the time Kunark comes out. Just get what you wanna play to 50, get your legacy items, then come back for Kunark.

[zelld52]

druid is the best starting character you can have

[Janlain's ghost]

as someone who never played on blue (yea, I'm from red). I learned that 30% of you are cool, and normal, 20% of you just want to be left alone to do your thing, and 50% of you are passive aggressive clowns.

I had always followed the server rules (as I do on red) and received pretty much daily tells telling me I had been petitioned. I never heard from a gm or guide, so guessing alot of you were full of shit, or just wrong.

After 8+ years on red you guys managed to grief me off of green after maybe 2 months with your pseudo aggressive wanna be e-thug mentality.

On red at least you have the option to spend the next 10 years following someone around reminding them what a clown they were.

[Coridan]

Be a melee if you want group invites.

[dareo]

DE ENC for the win and the ultravision.

[sajbert]

It's not really worth making a farm class first if you want to play something else imho. All the gear you can buy is disposable by the time Kunark comes out. Just get what you wanna play to 50, get your legacy items, then come back for Kunark.

If you don’t mind doing the manastone camp, this is pretty much true. Also assuming you weren’t planning on making and enjoying playing X farming class anyway.

As Velious is nearing its end I feel less and less interested in solo play. I’ve also become grind fatigued and have little to no interest in farming a fungi, eyepatch of plunder, tstaff and beads just to make a monk or the like. If there’s a next time around I’ll be looking for a class that is inexpensive to gear and which can get groups with relative ease. Enchanter is the wise choice but Cleric appeals to me the most.

[Jimjam]

The great thing about maining a cleric is you won’t get asked to switch to a cleric (unpess another better levelled/geared cleric is available to borrow).

[Lightbringer55]

It's not really worth making a farm class first if you want to play something else imho. All the gear you can buy is disposable by the time Kunark comes out. Just get what you wanna play to 50, get your legacy items, then come back for Kunark.

Plus things move quickly and before you know it, dungeon population is already declining. The XP Highway is alive and thriving initially so having a melee with anything for gear works. But as time goes on it's tough to find a group, or you're stuck traveling place to place (brutal as a melee without at least an OT hammer), or people start to expect you to have a certain level of gear. By the time you've gotten your farming character to 50 and have the plat to start gearing a melee, you're probably on the verge of Kunark already.

[cd288]

If you don’t mind doing the manastone camp, this is pretty much true. Also assuming you weren’t planning on making and enjoying playing X farming class anyway.

As Velious is nearing its end I feel less and less interested in solo play. I’ve also become grind fatigued and have little to no interest in farming a fungi, eyepatch of plunder, tstaff and beads just to make a monk or the like. If there’s a next time around I’ll be looking for a class that is inexpensive to gear and which can get groups with relative ease. Enchanter is the wise choice but Cleric appeals to me the most.

Once velious hit on green I started playing mostly on blue so I’m with you. Once they’re both in the same era there’s no real point anymore

[Tethler]

I learned not to roll a poverty class first.

Went with half-elf ranger to make a "bad" character as a fresh-start challenge. Solo'd and duo'd almost exclusively to 40 and had a blast with it. However, I'm extremely limited in my money-making potential. Had I rolled a pet class, enchanter, or shaman I could solo valuable camps for gear/cash to fund raid consumables and alt gear.

After hitting 50 in classic era (with that sweet sweet ranger xp penalty), my playtime took a dive due to real life becoming busy, making it hard to play for more than an hour or two at a time. This would have been well suited to a solo oriented class, and is why I'm still only 57 this late into Velious.

tl;dr - If I don't just stay on blue after the merge, I'll roll enchanter on the next iteration.

[arc]

mostly that people are shitters and the game is designed to maximize player shittiness

[arc]

o also that paladin is a really fun group class

[Ravager]

With nerfed quest exp, the first 20 levels are grindier than the last 20 levels.

[Darkplague]

Personally, I learned not to roll a Bard, with an Aussie ping time that is at best ~250ms and sometimes ~370 I can't AOE Kite anyway which is something that I never got to do on Live with my Bard main because it was nerfed.

I would want to play a class I have never before, such as a Shaman or an Enchanter. Which just happens to be a "power" class, so ideal for that Meta start people have been talking about wanting.

For the Dev's, I'd say:


Make the Elder Beads "Magic" so they can't be pickpocketed. "Non Classic", but will impact nothing else, except to make it easy to stop people pickpocketing.

List camps in the current iteration sucks... The idea of single stints at a PC for ~40 hours is unhealthy and only promotes people's account sharing etc... I'm not sure if / how it is possible but it would be great to have:



The AFK check
Must have active killing at some point during the AFK Check
Cumulitive amount of time captured somehow until you get the drop. Eg. If you spend 2 hours a day, for 10 days you would be higher on the list than someone that had been there for 10 hours straight. I believe this was done (very manually) at the King/Fungi camp in Seb by some players managing a loot list.

[Jimjam]

Could keep tally of accumulated passed afk checks and then gratts lootrights to whoever present wins that metric.

[cd288]

Personally, I learned not to roll a Bard, with an Aussie ping time that is at best ~250ms and sometimes ~370 I can't AOE Kite anyway which is something that I never got to do on Live with my Bard main because it was nerfed.

I would want to play a class I have never before, such as a Shaman or an Enchanter. Which just happens to be a "power" class, so ideal for that Meta start people have been talking about wanting.

For the Dev's, I'd say:


Make the Elder Beads "Magic" so they can't be pickpocketed. "Non Classic", but will impact nothing else, except to make it easy to stop people pickpocketing.

List camps in the current iteration sucks... The idea of single stints at a PC for ~40 hours is unhealthy and only promotes people's account sharing etc... I'm not sure if / how it is possible but it would be great to have:



The AFK check
Must have active killing at some point during the AFK Check
Cumulitive amount of time captured somehow until you get the drop. Eg. If you spend 2 hours a day, for 10 days you would be higher on the list than someone that had been there for 10 hours straight. I believe this was done (very manually) at the King/Fungi camp in Seb by some players managing a loot list.


So wait if someone just spent 10 hours straight killing PHs and finally the mob spawns, someone else can roll in and just claim the mob because they spent 12 hours there the other week? Sounds really unfair IMO

[Darkplague]

So wait if someone just spent 10 hours straight killing PHs and finally the mob spawns, someone else can roll in and just claim the mob because they spent 12 hours there the other week? Sounds really unfair IMO

No, someone would have to be actively killing, for those 12 hours.

Total time > that person who has been actively killing for 10 hours. Total time invested is greater there for, yes that 12 hours would be higher value.

The upside is that person with 10 hours has 10 hours counted and therefore has lost nothing if they camp/leave.

What is happening at the moment, is people just account share between players. So if someone doesn't want to pass out their login information to 2-5 people, or they want to get an item on their own they miss out in favour of someone that shares accounts.

How is that fair?

[Eldamari]

I learned that covid was the best thing to happen to green right after the start. Server pop was great if you rode the first wave into 50. Here's to hoping for another fresh green!

[AenorVZ]

Newbie zones need their classic respawn system where all newbie mobs are linked with 2 other newbie mobs and all three instantly respawn after the last of the three are killed.

Citation for this being a thing?

[Ivory]

I learnt staying low level was SUUUUPPPERRRR fun as a rogue.... and there is a ton of stuff to do!!

For a while, I was the richest on the server (at level 7 or 8) because I had so much money from picking pockets.

Then I got the greatest paladin weapon anyone till 40 saw (and it was magic!)! I was 8 or 9 at the time.

Then I learnt you could take some really fine things with picking pockets. Like silver leggings from lower guk... or the goblin kings ring in sol a.... so i got those at 10ish?

After a while, I went hunting for all the magic items. I had an entire backpack of magic I could use! Healing (squad ring), turning into things (tree wands, golem potions, and guk potion), lifetap (bone wand), and big damage fire wands (right before they nerfed it heh).

Even was there fighting the first Vox!! At level 12 or something.

And soloed some ice giants outside of permafrost at 14.... eventually even getting enough ice giant toes to have a greater healing potion brewed (which is a lifesaver at lower levels!!)

Even went around saving high levels in jams!! My deal was I would help people, but then they would owe me favors.... I saw favors as good as treasure, since sometimes I couldn't slay what I needed to... but being able to call a favor meant I could put out a hit on a target real easy!!

All together, my rogue never made it past 20.... but I had many thousands of platinum in the bank, the finest armors, magic, great weapons.... it was a big adventure from the start of the server, but way more memorable than just leveling up.

Too bad no one else really plays that way. Could be great heroes and spend all our time hunting giants for money and getting rich or looking for great adventures to do for great items.... at like level 10.... would be super low level, but be great heroes!!

[starkind]

Gear and levels are irrelevant to actual fun and are only incidental.

[PatChapp]

Gear and levels are irrelevant to actual fun and are only incidental.

Chasing snakes in BB with my homies in rags is best eq

[socialist]

Book-meditating is a pointless hassle that serves no purpose, especially when it doesn't even block your view. It just becomes an annoying button you have to press for the sake of misguided nostalgia. Might as well implement an artificial 500ms ping for the same reason.

[Coridan]

Yeah it should definitely block your view. It was supposed to be risky meditating in the wrong places and meant your melee group mates had to keep an eye out

[Jimjam]

Meditate button should also /viewport your characters vision to nothing.

[Raj]

Velious is still a pretty bad expansion and Holgresh elder beads ruined the economy forever/should never be a /list camp.

Bead pickpocketers were server heroes but got punished unjustly.

[Zoolander]

I learned how badly I want a single box Planes of Power server.

try "imperium" server, i just finished pop and moving on to god rite now, all solo. (1-2 weeks playtime to reach quarm, lots of fun so far! protip: "#zone guildlobby" after u created your char.

[JDFriend99]

What did I learn: Join Seal Team = win. And Tunagals is a failboat Fatboy.

[Toxigen]

this is you waiting for list mobs

https://youtu.be/DlOdx0OF8qw

[layhousehours]

i learned that a lot of really sad people play here

[oldschoolguy]

- nothing really matters, just have fun and meet cool people.
- build relationships, people are more important than loot.. its just pixels that will one day be gone.
- book staring to med is pure retardation, and absolutely no reason for that feature to be in the game.
- all servers will eventually end up being top heavy.
- druid is probably most fun class in classic, great toolkit, mage is OP in classic.
- shamans will eventually be gods
- all necros and human monks obsolete upon kunark instantly
- buying NO DROP stuff is waste of plat, you can't resell it later
- if you are early on get manastones, those will be worth a lot in the future.
- important camps are perma-camped by no lifers, don't compete with them if you have a life... just enjoy the game in some other way.
- don't play ranger or enchanter as first toon on classic, they suck in classic
- most situational spells not worth buying, you'll never use them.
- unrest is a hot spot for groups
- level in new zones every time, because it makes it more interesting.
- guk is a maze where it's easy to get lost in and never find your body again.
- dont leave loot in summoned bags and log off

[toolshed]

I learned I want the next server to be a fresh version of Blue, not Green.

[zillabunny]

I learned how badly I want a single box Planes of Power server.

Agnarr is legit