Here's how you fix Rangers in EverQuest

[Gugg]

- Self teleports to all Druid locations and Surefall Glades
- Regen spell in the early levels
- Increased archery damage
- Increased archery skill
- Autofire
- Triple Attack
- Increased weapon proc rate + haste buff
- Increased Tracking Range
- Fix pet track (remove it altogether)
- Dual wield before L17
- Double attack before L20
- SoW before L30
- OP Ranger only weapons like SK
- Instant Camo item like SK
- Increased damage outdoors
- Faster run speed outdoors
- Ultravision type spell @ L9
- Epic Bow quest
- Choice of agnostic
- Campfire (increased recovery around the campfire)
- Innate play dead ability like a possum
- A hat that doesn't look like you're wearing a tit on your head

[Chortles Snortles]

we'll get right on it
(LOL)

[Triode]

No cheal, rez, mez, slow or haste? On accident, you still seem to be leaving some room for the existence of other classes in RangerQuest.

Agree about the hats though. If you want more dps, autofire and OP bow kiting, that all exists just around the corner in PoP. Try wayfarershaven.

[Gugg]

No cheal, rez, mez, slow or haste? On accident, you still seem to be leaving some room for the existence of other classes in RangerQuest.

Agree about the hats though. If you want more dps, autofire and OP bow kiting, that all exists just around the corner in PoP. Try wayfarershaven.

How does what I posted make all other classes obselete?

[unsunghero]

- Innate play dead ability like a possum


Hunter class in WoW’s feign death ability functions very similar to monk’s/necro’s/sk’s in EQ

Except in WoW theirs has a timer. I believe the lore behind it is that the hunter is mimicking death so well that he actually stops breathing, and the timer is about the length of time a humanoid could hold their breath. If you continue to FD on a hunter in WoW until the couple-minute timer expires, then your char dies. So no FD+afk there

But it does make them a very attractive class for hardcore playthrough attempts

I’d be down to give rangers FD + more ranged damage + a strong pet. Hunter was my preferred class in WoW

[Toxigen]

sorry you rolled a class that is literally a speedbump once 60

hope this helps

[starkind]

No to op.

Auto fire sure.

Triple attack maybe.

Maybe bump the regen line down one rung of lvls and also give the next series of regen.

Do you get greater heal? I would give that.

I would also upgrade all your nuke lines one more tier and start them earlier.

[EQBarde]

- Self teleports to all Druid locations and Surefall Glades
- Regen spell in the early levels
- Increased archery damage
- Increased archery skill
- Autofire
- Triple Attack
- Increased weapon proc rate + haste buff
- Increased Tracking Range
- Fix pet track (remove it altogether)
- Dual wield before L17
- Double attack before L20
- SoW before L30
- OP Ranger only weapons like SK
- Instant Camo item like SK
- Increased damage outdoors
- Faster run speed outdoors
- Ultravision type spell @ L9
- Epic Bow quest
- Choice of agnostic
- Campfire (increased recovery around the campfire)
- Innate play dead ability like a possum
- A hat that doesn't look like you're wearing a tit on your head

Why being so mean with rangers?

Is it still possible to have a chance to play a bullshit class in this game or do we all have to become Enchanters? :D

[Jibartik]

- Increased archery damage

thats all they had to do is make them do auto attack DPS from 15 feet away.

[Aadill]

-Self teleports to all Druid locations and Surefall Glades.
Tolan's BP exists. Add an item for Surefall and call it a day.

- Regen spell in the early levels
Not against this. We get chloroplast but not regeneration? Dumb.

- Increased archery damage
Archery is currently wrong on P99 according to various sources.

- Increased archery skill
Why is it 240? I don't know. Absolutely stupid that we're gimped on defense even compared to rogues (200 vs 252) and gain no advantage on archery over them. Rogues get 250 in fucking THROWING whereas monks are stuck at 200. There is no fucking reason why rogues have a bump in an esoteric skill whereas rangers do not get a bump in a prolific one. There are far too many missteps with this and it makes sense for archery to be 250 alongside dipshit Rogue's throwing for 250.

Also fuck the fact that rogues have 252 in defensive. That's dumb and I want to find evidence that they should be at like, 175 or something. Fuck rogues and their ability to tank better than me.

- Autofire|

Yes please.

- Triple Attack
Doesn't make any sense that every other 2hand user got a strong buff to 2hs and rangers feel impotent in comparison. Also we got hosed on itemization for 2hs in Velious anyway. Can't even use Tunare sword or any of the great 2hs from ToV.

- Increased weapon proc rate + haste buff
Call of Fire/Sky line doesn't increase proc rate but it adds an additional thing you can proc. A lot. And often. We also already get a haste buff in the form of the Sky Cloak. Not the easiest thing to get but it's the most rewarding item for a ranger. The only other class to have a clicky haste that matters is monk and that's their damn epic. I don't see a reason to change what's available to us, here.

- Increased Tracking Range
To what end? Most zones don't benefit from increased tracking distance. Not to say there isn't value in it, but it's not hard to maneuver around the zone enough to cover even ToV as is.

- Fix pet track (remove it altogether)
A novel concept.

- Dual wield before L17
To what level? I wouldn't go below 15.

- Double attack before L20
To what level? I wouldn't go below 20, here. Or, I'd keep dual wield at 17 and put double attack at 15.

- SoW before L30
Ehhhh 22, maybe?

- OP Ranger only weapons like SK
We already get all sorts of special and neat proccing weapons that debuff AC or have big fire/cold nukes, or root/snare. I think we did get hosed on 2hs in velious but the actual items available to us give us a large repertoire as is.

- Instant Camo item like SK
Technically we do get invis vs animals and it's not the most useful, but not the least useful item, either.

- Increased damage outdoors
This feels action-RPG-esque and I don't like it. No other class has an advantage like that at the moment.

- Faster run speed outdoors
A version of spirit of scale or cheetah wouldn't hurt.

- Ultravision type spell @ L9
We get Dance of the Fireflies at 15. Eyes of the Cat, an infravision spell is at 30. I don't think we need ultravision, but I do think the current levels are ridiculous. level 9 or 15 seems fine for Dance of the Fireflies but level 22 for Eyes of the Cat feels more accurate.

- Epic Bow quest
Add on to the Rain Caller quest. Alternatively, and this is what I feel is better to fit in with the idea of custom content/Lucllin content: Give Rangers 1 AA skill: Endless Quiver. Make it a quest to earn it. Best fucking epic quest imaginable.

- Choice of agnostic
Odd request but, sure.

- Campfire (increased recovery around the campfire)
Feels action-RPG-esque again. Live has it, though. I appreciate it's benefits but eh.. I don't think it belongs in EQ.

- Innate play dead ability like a possum
Nah. If our root and snare spells didn't cast like they are level 9 equivalent I'd say we're more than fit to play crowd control and pulling as-is. I'm fucking livid that Shamans can land their level 14 ROOT spell better than I can land any of mine.

- A hat that doesn't look like you're wearing a tit on your head[/QUOTE]
Tit hats are in fashion, loser.

[Jibartik]

Ballsack cape for all rangers not just woodelfs :)

[Ripqozko]

Isn’t Cek sword like 3rd bis for knights behind tunare and vulak? Love it in my ranger I don’t see that as bad itemization.

[Grumph]

Charm. Animals.

And hide/sneak like rogues (just lower %whatever).

[starkind]

Why being so mean with rangers?

Is it still possible to have a chance to play a bullshit class in this game or do we all have to become Enchanters? :D
Nerfing enchanter and shamans torpor is the only way to fix everything.

[Gugg]

I knew I forgot something.

- Increase Ranger bind wound skill

[Jibartik]

give ranger torp 🤯

[Smoofers]

If you need that many things to fix rangers, then I have a better and more simple solution for you:

- Delete your ranger, roll a useful class

[Gugg]

give ranger torp 🤯

Good idea, and some mana regen.

[Jimjam]

Class is basically fine once it gets its defence skill bump late Velious.

My only spell change would be to add Cure Disease. I wonder if the omission of this spell was an oversight or design decision? Is it in reference to Aragorn being unable to heal the affliction put on Frodo by the Nazghul's Mordor blade?

Itemisation I'd want to add ranger to Chestplate of Vindication (but I see why they are omitted - they aren't really a class associated with giants nor plate... Shaman just get in by the skin of their teeth).


I just watched LOTR FOTR again, so I will also say add double attack to archery, but I don't think it is needed. Some kind of pet would be nice to have (maybe befriend animal). Thinking about it, maybe this is what the double damage vs stationary bonus represents?

[starkind]

Best fix for ranger:

Give War, Pal, SK proper bash agro (bugfix). Then give them double bash at lvl 40. Up bashing dmg slightly and raise skillcaps. Give cleric regular bash at 40.

How will this help rangers you say? Well, they won't die as much!

[starkind]

give ranger torp 🤯

Also, lol!

[starkind]

Best fix for ranger:

Give War, Pal, SK proper bash agro (bugfix). Then give them double bash at lvl 40. Up bashing dmg slightly and raise skillcaps. Give cleric regular bash at 40.

How will this help rangers you say? Well, they won't die as much!

So it's on the front page and people are forced to read it.

[Gugg]

Class is basically fine once it gets its defence skill bump late Velious.

My only spell change would be to add Cure Disease. I wonder if the omission of this spell was an oversight or design decision? Is it in reference to Aragorn being unable to heal the affliction put on Frodo by the Nazghul's Mordor blade?

Itemisation I'd want to add ranger to Chestplate of Vindication (but I see why they are omitted - they aren't really a class associated with giants nor plate... Shaman just get in by the skin of their teeth).


I just watched LOTR FOTR again, so I will also say add double attack to archery, but I don't think it is needed. Some kind of pet would be nice to have (maybe befriend animal). Thinking about it, maybe this is what the double damage vs stationary bonus represents?

It's comical that rangers can't cure disease.

The dev's were/are obviously pro-evil so they made the Ranger and paladin a laughing stock. There are people who want humans and human things to fail.

They gave their super evil race OP innate regen.

How canl evil even med? heal? How can a cleric and monk be evil?

[Whale biologist]

How canl evil even med? heal? How can a cleric and monk be evil?

easily if you have a pantheon ;)

[Gugg]

Evil = Brain cancer
Good = Cure for Brain Cancer
Verant = Boosted Brain cancer to OP status and nerfed cure for brain cancer.
Players = "I want to be brain cancer! Brain cancer is cool"
Norrath = Hell (humans not welcome)

[starkind]

I think games like this need to do away with alignment entirely.

Characters have more nuanced and granular motivations, morals, ethics, values, than a version of spin the bottle.

[Chortles Snortles]

hell is jannies

[Harvest]

Vindi BP
Defence boost
Autofire
1 Ranger only nice ToV wep, doesn't have to be god tier but something to balance the Knights massive loot table there

[starkind]

hell is jannies
Wat class does jannies mostly play?

[Chortles Snortles]

flame agate

[Jibartik]

It's comical that rangers can't cure disease.

The dev's were/are obviously pro-evil so they made the Ranger and paladin a laughing stock.

There are people who want humans and human things to fail.

They gave their super evil race OP innate regen.

How canl evil even med? heal? How can a cleric and monk be evil?

I think it's obvious, EQ is just a part of a LONG LINE of predictive programming designed to prepare us for satan's arrival.

[myrddraal]

Let rangers and rogues wear vindi bps. Rangers fixed. Shamans can wear them, why not those classes?

[cd288]

I’m sure staff will totally overhaul a class in a non classic manner

[Gugg]

- Increase swim speed skill
- Increase double attack skill
- Increase dual wield skill
- Add spell to cure disease
- Remove BS restrictions on non-moving, non-rooted targets 50+ (Shaman, Necro and Druids don't have that crap)
- Significantly Lower cooldown of Trueshot Discipline and increase duration
- Make Rangers sound like Predator and give them similar cloaking graphic

[Jibartik]

I played my first ranger on mischief, I used to spam my different dps spells on raids and would regularly make the top 10 dps, not beat the monks but I would be up there. (ironically rogues were always terrible for some reason, I figured lazy)

I got up there by basically just spamming spells and not meleeing at all, and I thought that was a cool avenue for ragners.

So I think even just more DPS spells to make them basically deal rogue DPS would be enough for me.

[Bhairava]

turn the AAs on but just for rogues and rangers

[Philistine]

- Self teleports to all Druid locations and Surefall Glades
- Regen spell in the early levels
- Increased archery damage
- Increased archery skill
- Autofire
- Triple Attack
- Increased weapon proc rate + haste buff
- Increased Tracking Range
- Fix pet track (remove it altogether)
- Dual wield before L17
- Double attack before L20
- SoW before L30
- OP Ranger only weapons like SK
- Instant Camo item like SK
- Increased damage outdoors
- Faster run speed outdoors
- Ultravision type spell @ L9
- Epic Bow quest
- Choice of agnostic
- Campfire (increased recovery around the campfire)
- Innate play dead ability like a possum
- A hat that doesn't look like you're wearing a tit on your head

I get where you're coming from in terms of wanting rangers to be stronger but as. Ranger I've learned to greatly enjoy them as is.

Ghetto tank, ghetto CC, ok DPS, self-hastes to 90%, slows to 50%, ghetto buffs, ghetto heals, amazing bump ability. Can selfport to lay with the right gear, and ranger gate to bind point at will :p There's a lot to love!

Learn to enjoy them as is IMHO :)

[Philistine]

Let rangers and rogues wear vindi bps. Rangers fixed. Shamans can wear them, why not those classes?


I would looove a vindi bp!!

[Gugg]

Human Ranger is blind, weak, dumb, has no regen, immunity to stun, extra XP.
They are OP. Pls nerf.

1 point DS, +5 ATK debuff, and 9 point heal is also OP. Pls nerf. I want to spam heal button 200 times instead of 100 times.

[Gugg]

I get where you're coming from in terms of wanting rangers to be stronger but as. Ranger I've learned to greatly enjoy them as is.

Ghetto tank, ghetto CC, ok DPS, self-hastes to 90%, slows to 50%, ghetto buffs, ghetto heals, amazing bump ability. Can selfport to lay with the right gear, and ranger gate to bind point at will :p There's a lot to love!

Learn to enjoy them as is IMHO :)

I'm not going to learn to enjoy a selfish prick's ridiculous creation. If I did that I would be rewarding selfish pricks and short changing myself.

It's a stupid idea to accept 2nd best and sweep intentional bad design under the rug just so the selfish pricks who play the spoilt classes can pretend to be skilled and cool at my expense.

Something will change or something better will come along...guaranteed.

[cd288]

I'm not going to learn to enjoy a selfish prick's ridiculous creation. If I did that I would be rewarding selfish pricks and short changing myself.

It's a stupid idea to accept 2nd best and sweep intentional bad design under the rug just so the selfish pricks who play the spoilt classes can pretend to be skilled and cool at my expense.

Something will change or something better will come along...guaranteed.

Always odd to me that people get so upset and whine so much about classic stuff like rangers when they voluntarily chose to come to a classic server. So strange

[tycohunden]

atleast you're not Shadow Knights...

[Philistine]

I'm not going to learn to enjoy a selfish prick's ridiculous creation. If I did that I would be rewarding selfish pricks and short changing myself.

It's a stupid idea to accept 2nd best and sweep intentional bad design under the rug just so the selfish pricks who play the spoilt classes can pretend to be skilled and cool at my expense.

Something will change or something better will come along...guaranteed.

To each his own! Enjoy it or don't :)

[Whyt]

look out dark blues - we're coming for you !

- Self teleports to all Druid locations and Surefall Glades
- Regen spell in the early levels
- Increased archery damage
- Increased archery skill
- Autofire
- Triple Attack
- Increased weapon proc rate + haste buff
- Increased Tracking Range
- Fix pet track (remove it altogether)
- Dual wield before L17
- Double attack before L20
- SoW before L30
- OP Ranger only weapons like SK
- Instant Camo item like SK
- Increased damage outdoors
- Faster run speed outdoors
- Ultravision type spell @ L9
- Epic Bow quest
- Choice of agnostic
- Campfire (increased recovery around the campfire)
- Innate play dead ability like a possum
- A hat that doesn't look like you're wearing a tit on your head

[Gugg]

I'm never going to feel ashamed of being unsatisfied with bad design and I'm never going to learn to love it either.

This world and everything in it is contaminated with a sly bias for evil and after a while only having one choice, the worst choice, wears you down.

Like I said though change will come because 2nd best is not the only option in life.

[Gugg]

I was playing today and with all the melee misses, fizzles, resists, 1 point DS, 3 point non-magical kick, I had to ask myself....

"Is this fun and challenging or am I being trolled?"

I concluded that EQ was created by a tosser.

The high level mobs in low level zones..

The exclusive pre-nerf loot the minority gets to hold onto...

The constant nerfs...

[TheConsortium]

EQ was created by drug addicts .. hence the end user base

[azeth]

Increase their proc rate to 2x everyone elses, then do a better job itemizing velious weapons for them.

[Mblake1981]

Rangers are fine like they are, a melee with weak druid spells. Sorry your imaginations are ruined by min/maxing to be the best.

EQ isn't pokemon

[cd288]

I'm never going to feel ashamed of being unsatisfied with bad design and I'm never going to learn to love it either.

This world and everything in it is contaminated with a sly bias for evil and after a while only having one choice, the worst choice, wears you down.

Like I said though change will come because 2nd best is not the only option in life.

Then why are you here? Go play live or maybe some of the TLPs. Quit being a whiney little bitch over a server no one is forcing you to play on

[Cecily]

Have you tried casting flame lick? That's a pretty good spell. Maybe you don't have the fire beetle eye you need for it to work. It's easy to miss since there's no fire beetles where the best rangers are from. Try using your track skill in the Commonlands, Karanas, or around Qeynos. Good luck with your ranger! It's a really rewarding class if you stick with it for the first 60 levels.

[Jimjam]

Have you tried casting flame lick? That's a pretty good spell. Maybe you don't have the fire beetle eye you need for it to work. It's easy to miss since there's no fire beetles where the best rangers are from. Try using your track skill in the Commonlands, Karanas, or around Qeynos. Good luck with your ranger! It's a really rewarding class if you stick with it for the first 60 levels.

Yep! 61 is where they really begin to shine (fire beetle eye permitting).

[Naethyn]

AA fixed rangers.

[Mblake1981]

AA fixed rangers.

EQ busted.

[NPC]

- Innate play dead ability like a possum
Nah. If our root and snare spells didn't cast like they are level 9 equivalent I'd say we're more than fit to play crowd control and pulling as-is. I'm fucking livid that Shamans can land their level 14 ROOT spell better than I can land any of mine.


Shaman Tash + root is broke.

[Kohedron]

look at all that not classic

[Trexller]

rangers just fucking suck at all levels, in any expansion, oh you got endless quiver? grats your the same dps as a warrior.

verant devs hated rangers, p99 devs hate rangers, people who play rangers hate themselves irl.

rangers actually have to suck by design, if you give them literally anything else they become OP in the pre-luclin metas

thats it.

[starkind]

U could play a stalker in bg2

[Reiwa]

rangers just fucking suck at all levels, in any expansion, oh you got endless quiver? grats your the same dps as a warrior.

verant devs hated rangers, p99 devs hate rangers, people who play rangers hate themselves irl.

rangers actually have to suck by design, if you give them literally anything else they become OP in the pre-luclin metas

thats it.

What if you gave them traps or some ability to immobilize an enemy without counting as root for bow shots? 🏹

[Trexller]

the ability to immobilize an enemy without counting as a root is still a root

and they can already cast root and snare, on top of that sow. Sow was changed from 39 to 30. That's the big ranger buff.

rangers really are masters of all things outdoors, its just that there is like 2 "outdoor non-dungeon zones" in the entire "classic" game that matter at all.

[Trexller]

- Innate play dead ability like a possum
Nah. If our root and snare spells didn't cast like they are level 9 equivalent I'd say we're more than fit to play crowd control and pulling as-is. I'm fucking livid that Shamans can land their level 14 ROOT spell better than I can land any of mine.


Shaman Tash + root is broke.

if you're a ranger playing CC, you gotta snare the mobs before or after you root them, grasping roots is only 36 seconds at its max. this also helps keep agro on you should casters slow/debuff them while rooted/snared. Any knight tank should be able to gain agro over your root/snare, and hopefully warriors get lucky with their initial taunt

aaaand thats everquest!

[Naethyn]

I farmed over 10k aa on live in house of thule with my dagarn bow from p99 era.

[Swish]

I farmed over 10k aa on live in house of thule with my dagarn bow from p99 era.

Game was well gone by that point though in terms of everyone having 50+ hotkeys on the screen.

[A Knight]

I'm just hoping my idea sounds cool.

- Spell Name: Epiphany of Wardens Dominion

One second cast, 10 second recast time.

Minus 70 Magic resist, with the exception of no Magic damage resist lowered.

- Berserker Rage, adjusted for Rangers.

I would some what, hate to propose this. I'm going to be the brain dead guy people are trying to keep low health so I do more damage.

[Solist]

I have two 60 rangers. I feel I’m qualified to comment.

What would fix them?

A command to swap them into level 60, no spells, no skills, of a different class.

[Jimjam]

I have two 60 rangers. I feel I’m qualified to comment.

What would fix them?

A command to swap them into level 60, no spells, no skills, of a different class.

Two of them?!

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...

[Tunabros]

who cares lol

go back to tracking fear for us thx

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/CwUSjuy.gif