@Rogean, surely this is not the ToV raid scene you intended after 4/2019

[Barcelona]

I seem to recall from the following thread when it was initially announced that TOV dragons would be rooted, that the intention was to "force guilds to crawl" and, furthermore it was also mentioned the guilds will need to "chose your raid mobs carefully if there are other mobs in window."

http://https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2888260&postcount=1

It has been clear for some time that the current situation in Temple of Veeshan has not been optimal. Numerous guilds are flocking to this zone upon repops, causing mayhem with so many players grouped together. To make matters worse, pulling mechanics have been mastered to the point where raid mobs are able to be isolated from any and all trash and brought all the way to the zone in. It is the staff's opinion that these encountes were never designed or intended to be trivialized in such a way. While the act of splitting does take some careful coordination between a team of pullers, this is just one small part of the raid and leaves everyone else from having to do any work or experience the rest of the zone.

Thus, it is our intention to return the difficulty and spirit of the zone for ALL raid players and to force raids to crawl to their targets. To that end, we are implementing a number of changes, some of them we will specify here, others we will leave to be discovered.

This is not at all what we are seeing in TOV raiding as we approach the year 2022, especially since the recent removal of FTE target locks. In the TOV raid scene now, "Quad DA" Magicians with a DA Earring+a Plane of sky DA ring (and a box of the void and mana battery for an additional recharge mid train), and a DA idol are training ALL of the trash around a rooted dragon target and back again, while their raid force quickly tries to kill the dragon before the DA training has to come to a stop. We have come round full circle to that "one small part of the raid" instead of pulling the dragon to the zone in, they are responsible for creating massive trains all throughout the entire wing of a dragon raid target.

The spirit of the change from April of 2019 has lost all meaning, due to one simple game mechanic, once again being used in a manner that was ever intended. The "Divine Aura" and "Harmshield" clicky items need some kind of change to further reach the spirit of why the change happened in Temple of Veeshan at all. I feel that some restrictions to these invulnerability clickies needs to happen, in order to, as you you so elaborately stated: return the difficulty and spirit of the zone for ALL raid players and to force raids to crawl to their targets.

[starkind]

just ban temp ban players for zone disruption

unroot dragons

problem solved

if u want i will just sit in zone with a ban stick for about a month, tabbing over while goofing around on my alts, that will solve all problems, 1 week temp bans should work

[starkind]

also make the ban stick port ppl to avatar of fear room in ct and dt them so they have to at least spend a little time getting their corpses back after ban is complete

[Chortles Snortles]

*turns you into a unicorn*
LOL

moved to resolved

[Tongpow]

lol

[Nibblewitz]

If you suck at the game, try to change the rules.

[Smoofers]

If you suck at the game, try to change the rules.

Great definition of politics

[Allishia]

Please no more nerfs lol

[doormat00]

at least magicians are useful in raids now

[galach]

give all the trash mobs bard speed then?

[Smackahoe]

you can always leave to TLP servers or TakP if you dont like it

[Skarne]

both servers are actually pretty fun...at least mischief and takp..


p99 is still the best though

[Toxigen]

*turns you into a unicorn*
LOL

moved to resolved

legit lol'd

[cd288]

Agree with OP

[Ennewi]

If you suck at the game, try to change the rules.

If you break the decades-old game, try to lawyer against present-day rules.

[pogs4ever]

give all the trash mobs bard speed then?

Please! Very easy to implement, problem solved.

[mycoolrausch]

OP have you considered becoming one with the zerg?

[Elizondo]

RQI3zkcxKoE

[Comoc1]

Quad DA mages are *new* lol

[tyrant49333]

Sorry you suck so bad at everquest you need to beg for rule changes

[xdrcfrx]

Sorry you suck so bad at everquest you need to beg for rule changes

how many rule changes has vanq. asked for and received?

[Daloon]

Bunch of commies in certain guilds, I swear.

[Prismaticshop]

Galach trolling in the thread is probably not a good sign for OP

Vven though I think Galach would love to see us succumb to bard speed trash mobs in ToV

[myrddraal]

give all the trash mobs bard speed then?

In all zones.

[Bones]

how many decades of p99 raiding is it going to take before people realize no matter what rule sets are in place, professional everquest raiders who have absolutely nothing else going on in their lives will find a way to break the raid scene?

[Sckrilla]

Quad DA mages are *new* lol
This.

[Wharfrat]

The problem is that the server is timelocked, so the only fun /goals/ the miscreant/neckbeards have is to wreak havok on whatever rules are in place.

What else do people have to look forward to on the server... well the miscreant/neckbeards anyways.

[Arvan]

If you suck at the game, try to change the rules.

i've never seen someone so succinctly sum up detoxx's time on p99 c u at the next gm private message

[Nutsax]

just ban temp ban players for zone disruption

unroot dragons

problem solved

if u want i will just sit in zone with a ban stick for about a month, tabbing over while goofing around on my alts, that will solve all problems, 1 week temp bans should work

[Whale biologist]

Quad DA mages are *new* lol

the vision!

[Terrok]

how many rule changes has vanq. asked for and received?

lol, right...

[AenorVZ]

Bunch of commies in certain guilds, I swear.

pull yourself up by the bootstrap republicans irl, gimmie free stuff bernie bros in norrath

[Bardp1999]

1 minute lockout after using a DA type ability/item before you can use another

[Bardp1999]

Better yet, just remove DA all together and we can file it under /list, rooted dragons, stamina bar, ect ect

[starkind]

The problem with cooking a roux on high heat is it darkens overly.

[Jimjam]

Max 4 NPCs chasing a PC at a time.

[Toxigen]

Bunch of commies in certain guilds, I swear.

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/zxsyaep.png

[starkind]

Max 4 NPCs chasing a PC at a time.

make it 12 cus otherwise that would uneccissarily nerf wizards or another multiple of 6 as EQ is wont so like 6, 12, 18

ya 18 mobs max

[greasemonk]

Max 4 NPCs chasing a PC at a time.

No training at all! Actively kill mobs, thus ensuring the 'crawl' feel.

[matticas]

*turns you into a unicorn*
LOL

moved to resolved

i'm dying lol

[Croco]

Oh you sweet summer child. Can you imagine Rogean actually caring about p99? He's having way too much fun raiding the Plane of Time on Aradune.

Also Nibble, Detoxx asked for and received a rule change on Doze *mid window* and Galach jumped right to attention and obliged. Something something glass houses and bricks.

[starkind]

i wish a tlp stayed in like legacy of yekasha and did not allow boxing

[Nibblewitz]

Also Nibble, Detoxx asked for and received a rule change on Doze *mid window* and Galach jumped right to attention and obliged. Something something glass houses and bricks.

No, they were clarified in the middle of the window. Didn't stop Riot from trying to cheat on Doze months later tho. Even when you obtain FTE, you get smoked by trash.

[Croco]

No, they were clarified in the middle of the window. Didn't stop Riot from trying to cheat on Doze months later tho. Even when you obtain FTE, you get smoked by trash.

Nice try but it was a completely new rule that you have to have the doze fte come from a "racer" and Detoxx asked for it and Galach gave it to him after he had a hissy fit in the UN and called the situation "fucking retarded". All of this came up because of private conversations between Fr/Ag leadership and Galach.

Coth racing got changed because of people in your guild whining about it as well. If you want to start a running tally of which guild has asked for rule changes and received them you'd be on the losing end of that.

[Nibblewitz]

Let's see your super soakers in a coth race meta. Keep crying and maybe they will cave.

[myrddraal]

Make TOV like plane of sky and strip buffs on zone in. Kite meta gone. No longer need to worry about trains.

[Ripqozko]

My guild is angels, your guild cheats. -p99 players

[azxten]

P99's problem is the leveling curve. Only a tiny number of players should even be able to reach raid levels by each expansion release until Velious which was a catch up expansion. Blue is permanently fucked so should just be ignored.

[Aadill]

P99's problem is the leveling curve. Only a tiny number of players should even be able to reach raid levels by each expansion release until Velious which was a catch up expansion. Blue is permanently fucked so should just be ignored.

Explain green.

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/ihYUvrK.png

[Freakish]

Make TOV like plane of sky and strip buffs on zone in. Kite meta gone. No longer need to worry about trains.

Channel Rez buff in.

[Croco]

Let's see your super soakers in a coth race meta. Keep crying and maybe they will cave.

GMs mostly only cave to crying from your side for whatever reason. Tough time of year.

[Bhairava]

these dudes gonna be bitching about eq raid rules until a nuclear war forces the servers offline, maybe even afterwards if they can still mail letters to each other by carrier pidgeon or something

[NextToTheGodsP99]

You guys calling for these nerfs are just too adorable, thinking you can force guilds to clear trash with these suggested changes and that anything would be improved by it. Staff asked for this tov raid scene the day they caved to the demands of the clueless mouth breathers asking for rooted dragons thinking it would fix anything. Anyone insight realized then that whoever is able to control more trash mobs while burning down the dragon is gonna win, the meta just took some time to develop. The rooting of the dragons was a failed measure just as the clicky nerf was.

The project should be doing what it did with few exceptions the first 8-9 years, recreate classic mechanics and let the players form the meta around those mechanics. Instead we have this bastardised version because of your endless crying. The sooner you people realize and accept that you can’t recreate classic game play, only classic mechanics, the better.

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/py36hs9.jpeg

[Ennewi]

thinking it would fix anything.
the meta just took some time to develop.

That suggests it did fix things, temporarily on a server old enough to

you can’t recreate classic game play

https://www.reddit.com/r/project1999/comments/bcq76t/explaining_auld_lang_syne_the_diy_guild/

[Ennewi]

That suggests it did fix things, temporarily on a server old enough to

...require more than one fix.

[Mblake1981]

You guys calling for these nerfs are just too adorable, thinking you can force guilds to clear trash with these suggested changes and that anything would be improved by it. Staff asked for this tov raid scene the day they caved to the demands of the clueless mouth breathers asking for rooted dragons thinking it would fix anything.

The fix was to remove mouth breathers from entrance and crawl the dungeon. That worked but mouth breathers cried about it and want staff to cave to new demands.

[Croco]

The fix was to remove mouth breathers from entrance and crawl the dungeon. That worked but mouth breathers cried about it and want staff to cave to new demands.

It did not work. There is very little/no crawl that goes on in ntov. There are DA trains and pet walking necros and lots of FD ping ponging while a dragon is burned down. Their "fix" was a failure. Same as the clicky nerf. Other clickies just took the place of the nerfed ones. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. You can't perfectly recreate the classic feel/gameplay you can only recreate classic mechanics 1 to 1 and let people play as they will in that sandbox.

[Mblake1981]

It did not work. There is very little/no crawl that goes on in ntov. There are DA trains and pet walking necros and lots of FD ping ponging while a dragon is burned down. Their "fix" was a failure. Same as the clicky nerf. Other clickies just took the place of the nerfed ones. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. You can't perfectly recreate the classic feel/gameplay you can only recreate classic mechanics 1 to 1 and let people play as they will in that sandbox.

Fair enough, fixed it for as long as I cared to play during it.* but I wasn't going at trying to circumvent it this long, which you explained has happened. The server just needs to admit it wants a loot conveyor belt and the people who like pulling TOV are die hard set on that. So remove the false-fix of rooting dragons and return to entrance pulling, its resetting the 'cave in' by staff to the players.

[Mblake1981]

But I might also suggest that staff take a fully hands-off approach to these top end raid zones. Let the players sort their own issues out. If its train city, so be it. Make a rant thread but never ask for the staff to help, and if any are found attempting that then they get the iron boot.

Merry Christmas and blessings to you and your families, you filthy fucking animals :)

[Ooloo]

Can't they just like, make it a rule that you have to crawl to targets, and if you don't you're banned?

I mean I kinda think they shouldn't be rooted and players should be able to sandbox whatever strats they want, but if they are gonna root the dragons to encourage crawling and then players still manage to totally circumvent crawling without any kind of consequence, why bother even having the dragons rooted at all?

[Mblake1981]

Having any member of staff lurking about, or even the rumors of them supporting one guild over another to 'promote balance and competition' get the bloody axe!

Besides, competition here has been a damn joke for the longest, especially during the farm team era when out-of-game-guilds were exposed. People from 'rival teams' freely shared info.

nothing can be done but pain.

[Ravager]

It doesn't matter what they do. Necks are gonna beard. Accept that or move on.

[Ripqozko]

Imagine getting beat so badly the guild that harped for rooted dragons changes their minds and wants dragons unrooted.

[Mblake1981]

Imagine getting beat so badly the guild that harped for rooted dragons changes their minds and wants dragons unrooted.

What are you talking about, Ripqozko? players here are real friendly and want to stroke each others elf-dicks behind the shed.

[greasemonk]

Imagine getting beat so badly the guild that harped for rooted dragons changes their minds and wants dragons unrooted.

Imagine being a person who posts this exact message.

Yall mother fuckers need Jesus.

[Ripqozko]

Imagine being a person who posts this exact message.

Yall mother fuckers need Jesus.

Sorry you got rooted dragons.

[starkind]

best time to do anything on this server is when there is a raid or quake so all the bots empty out of the zones

[starkind]

best time to do anything on this server is when there is a raid or quake so all the bots empty out of the zones

and log into ntov

[Mblake1981]

Hope this helps & moved to resolved.

[greasemonk]

Sorry you got rooted dragons.

Sick burn!

[SantagarBrax]

P99's problem is the leveling curve. Only a tiny number of players should even be able to reach raid levels by each expansion release until Velious which was a catch up expansion. Blue is permanently fucked so should just be ignored.

Except you never do ignore it, do you? You shit on anything and everything because you can't just enjoy the game.

Sounds like you need a break.

[Ssra]

Explain green.

Autism.

[zati]

the solution to the toxic raid scene is.. once your characters /played reaches 2-3 years it gets automatically deleted or deleveled to 1, but you keep the gear. recycle insane raiders down the totem pole in a natural way. /shrug

[Whale biologist]

the solution to the toxic raid scene is.. once your characters /played reaches 2-3 years it gets automatically deleted or deleveled to 1, but you keep the gear. recycle insane raiders down the totem pole in a natural way. /shrug

That sounds good too but I prefer inverting respawn timers and variance so the windows are incompatible with human life. 😈

[Chortles Snortles]

mad

[Albanwr]

change cost of Mana Battery to 25k, make it only usable in Sky.

[cd288]

Except you never do ignore it, do you? You shit on anything and everything because you can't just enjoy the game.

Sounds like you need a break.

The guy doesn’t even play on P99 lol. The saddest individuals on the forums IMO have always been the people who come here and rant and complain and don’t even play on the server

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Unroot dragons, let people play how they want, ignore petitions. Move to resolved.

[bigfun]

Bunch of commies in certain guilds, I swear.

which guild is the communist guild? i would like to join please.

[starkind]

Unroot dragons, let people play how they want, ignore petitions. Move to resolved.

[rkanon]

It is so funny these "fixes".
Rooting Dragons and nerfing the clickies accomplished one thing and one thing only.
You have to be big and have lots of players to dominate raids now.
Unroot the Dragons. Bring Clickies back to normal.
Suddenly small groups of 30 people can become competitive raid forces.
Suddenly you have room for 5 guilds competing WELL for all the end game mobs.
Competition=More Strategy=More Skill=More fun.

Now, whoever suggested the buffs being stripped at Zone in... while it would suck on many levels that would certainly make things interesting...

[Nibblewitz]

Please root the Ring War giants so they can't run to Thurgadin.

[titanshub]

Unrooting the dragons will be an absolute disaster. All those of you who think you're in the inner circle may be surprised to find out that it's easier to share with less people. The same 12-20 people will fte all of the dragons within seconds providing no opportunities for people to even learn how to compete against them. Even on quakes the tov dragons will be pulled and dead so quickly that the same force will then be able to contest everything in kunark as well. It's a different game entirely, and one that just won't include most of us.

The problem with training in tov could easily be resolved by the staff through the existing rules if they wanted to do it. They don't and I'm not sure what that says about the staff other than they disagree or don't understand the effects their rule changes have had on the raid environment. Today's disaster of the meta in rooted dragons is not an inevitable outcome it's a consequence of allowing detoxx and furor to train whomever they want because they were on the tracks. I've watch them get every benefit of the doubt to absurdity while nobody else is afforded the same consideration.

There are lots of good people in vanquish. I know many of them through their former involvement in kittens. I certainly don't mind there being other options in the world of contesting all the dragons all the time. I never have. Competition at the high end can be a healthy thing for blue server. My issue with Vanquish is their leadership and a subset of their core that's willing to say and do anything to win. They harass our people (including furor), they follow us around in game and out trying to make playing p99 so distasteful we leave. They harass us in tells, ooc, and in say at every opportunity. They are poor winners and poor losers simultaneously. We have watched them train us and seriously set us back on quakes and tell us to get bent. Mock us for trying new things and failing. It's gross, and it has seriously destroyed the community we left on blue server. Shame on everyone for allowing it to happen. Have a merry christmas I guess.

[Barcelona]

I recall Furoar was removed from a guild leadership role and also banned as ever being recognized in the U.N as such, for this behavior that you mentioned. For someone who also knowingly logged onto their former guilds bot just to maliciously run a train of mobs after losing a dragon, and then also get caught lying about doing so. Not to mention this person was also the driving force that led to COTH racing FTE being removed due to allegations of cheating/scripting.

The only thing we can hang our collective hats on here is, that this patten of behavior is most surely to continue from this one individual. Maybe he will be punished much more harshly for the next infraction. This pattern surely points to a possible permanent ban one day, right?

[Ennewi]

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Technically, rooting dragons did work. Right cubby was nearly every single dragon's lair for the longest time. Only monks and necros were dungeon crawling, and even then only the same select few, with the occasional +1 learning the ropes. If a handful of players take 99% of the environment out of a PVE game, where's the challenge?

Players using KoS NPCs as a means to engage in PVP with opposing PVE guilds is the issue. It's almost like they're playing on the wrong server, acting out in order to have their characters moved to red, where that competitive mindset would be put to better use with fewer restrictions.

[Ennewi]

That said, raids would be nothing short of amazing if every class, or at least most classes, required the same coordination and involvement as necro/monk pulls did back then. Just listening to those players communicate in voice was some of the best EQ. But then came the time to kill the target and it was just that, a target differentiated not by its effects or surroundings, but by the loot on its table only.

Rooted dragons aren't that awkward of a fit when the world itself is sectioned off by zonelines. If there weren't any zones in Norrath, Trakanon could be pulled out of Seb, bypassing the key requirement for all but the pull team and corpse draggers. Even some of the zone names indicate the devs' mindsets. Naggy is fought in Sol B (Nagafen's Lair). Velk is fought in Velketor's Labyrinth. Without zonelines, both could be pulled to nearby druid rings and killed with ease.

Instead, bosses are confined to their dungeon zones, similar to the gods in their planes, with the rare exceptions being GM events and the sleeper's awakening.

As big as the zone is, the lairs in ToV aren't separate or distinct enough, the way that the islands are in PoS. And as annoying as PoS can be, progressing through it encourages active participation and requires at least some vigilance by all involved. In ToV, the same participation/vigilance can only be encouraged if the dragons themselves are fixed in place. Call it unclassic, but there are examples of this elsewhere, one being Eejag in Lavastorm. He's rooted in the lava for a reason because it was meant to act as his lair, where he would have the advantage as players struggled with poor visibility, swimming/breathing, and persistent fire damage.

It's easy to think up a few alternatives. Each of the dragons in VP/ToV spawning at different lair locations, with any of the abilities of other dragons, at random, while also sharing loot tables. Players then wouldn't know what they were getting into until they were already committed to killing it and their efforts could still be in vain, potentially earning them the worst loot. Random is the one shared unknown amongst the playerbase. We don't know when a quake will happen, if our guild will get FTE, whether the mob will have the item we want, etc. The more unknowably RNG a game is (within reason), the less routinized and job-like it risks becoming. But, well, not classic.

[myrddraal]

I recall Furoar was removed from a guild leadership role and also banned as ever being recognized in the U.N as such, for this behavior that you mentioned. For someone who also knowingly logged onto their former guilds bot just to maliciously run a train of mobs after losing a dragon, and then also get caught lying about doing so. Not to mention this person was also the driving force that led to COTH racing FTE being removed due to allegations of cheating/scripting.

The only thing we can hang our collective hats on here is, that this patten of behavior is most surely to continue from this one individual. Maybe he will be punished much more harshly for the next infraction. This pattern surely points to a possible permanent ban one day, right?

Nobody could possibly "lead" a guild or speak in the UN for him, ok? Its all been worked out.

[Mblake1981]

That said, raids would be nothing short of amazing if every class, or at least most classes, required the same coordination and involvement as necro/monk pulls did back then. Just listening to those players communicate in voice was some of the best EQ. But then came the time to kill the target and it was just that, a target differentiated not by its effects or surroundings, but by the loot on its table only.

Rooted dragons aren't that awkward of a fit when the world itself is sectioned off by zonelines. If there weren't any zones in Norrath, Trakanon could be pulled out of Seb, bypassing the key requirement for all but the pull team and corpse draggers. Even some of the zone names indicate the devs' mindsets. Naggy is fought in Sol B (Nagafen's Lair). Velk is fought in Velketor's Labyrinth. Without zonelines, both could be pulled to nearby druid rings and killed with ease.

Instead, bosses are confined to their dungeon zones, similar to the gods in their planes, with the rare exceptions being GM events and the sleeper's awakening.

As big as the zone is, the lairs in ToV aren't separate or distinct enough, the way that the islands are in PoS. And as annoying as PoS can be, progressing through it encourages active participation and requires at least some vigilance by all involved. In ToV, the same participation/vigilance can only be encouraged if the dragons themselves are fixed in place. Call it unclassic, but there are examples of this elsewhere, one being Eejag in Lavastorm. He's rooted in the lava for a reason because it was meant to act as his lair, where he would have the advantage as players struggled with poor visibility, swimming/breathing, and persistent fire damage.

It's easy to think up a few alternatives. Each of the dragons in VP/ToV spawning at different lair locations, with any of the abilities of other dragons, at random, while also sharing loot tables. Players then wouldn't know what they were getting into until they were already committed to killing it and their efforts could still be in vain, potentially earning them the worst loot. Random is the one shared unknown amongst the playerbase. We don't know when a quake will happen, if our guild will get FTE, whether the mob will have the item we want, etc. The more unknowably RNG a game is (within reason), the less routinized and job-like it risks becoming. But, well, not classic.

What I take from this is 'The Vision' the original team had with it's ultimo-raid zones were botched (within EQ terms) because they wanted a huge final place to sell each expansion to the raider minded. VP and TOV are both cubby-holes with numerous end game bosses.

If wonder if Kunark and Velious had been complete and sold with the original game (like it might've been intended) if those places would have been designed the same.

[Whale biologist]

Call it unclassic, but there are examples of this elsewhere, one being Eejag in Lavastorm. He's rooted in the lava for a reason because it was meant to act as his lair, where he would have the advantage as players struggled with poor visibility, swimming/breathing, and persistent fire damage.


In EQ sometimes you can breathe lava, but zergs are definitely classic.

https://i.imgur.com/Q0P56DC.gif

[derpcake2]

Unclassic stuff leading to more unclassic stuff.

meh/5 stars

[starkind]

The oRiGinaL the vision (tm) never even considered raids and 60 ppl doing shit.

At most two groups.

Mostly just a "living world" and each character has something unique it brings that plays into the world.

Necromancer is supposed to be the only "strong class" barely able to solo. And only efficiently, not dark blues or boss mobs at high level.

They caved in kunark and abandoned the vision entirely.

[Mblake1981]

It doesn't matter what they do. Necks are gonna beard. Accept that or move on.

https://twitter.com/buzzworddujour/status/1475079307852754946

[Mblake1981]

The oRiGinaL the vision (tm) never even considered raids and 60 ppl doing shit.

At most two groups.

Mostly just a "living world" and each character has something unique it brings that plays into the world.

Necromancer is supposed to be the only "strong class" barely able to solo. And only efficiently, not dark blues or boss mobs at high level.

They caved in kunark and abandoned the vision entirely.

https://i.imgur.com/GsPAi5i.gif

[Danth]

If wonder if Kunark and Velious had been complete and sold with the original game (like it might've been intended) if those places would have been designed the same.

I don't wonder about that; I consider it a certainty. The technology was different in terms of allowed zone size and polygon counts/etc, and the philosophy changed as well. Look at how by Velious player starting faction becomes virtually irrelevant, as does player size--all dungeon zone interiors are large enough to permit ogres free movement. Kunark wouldn't have needed its own standalone leveling path if it was packaged as part of the original game. You'd have more but smaller zones without the extended zone-lines that were a direct consequence of the developers trying to discourage zone-line camping/pulling. I'm not sure you'd have iksar at all, at least not in their extant form, without sales pressure driving the addition of an "overpowered" new race.

I might have liked that alternate world version of the game, but what we have here on P99 is pretty good too.

Danth

[Mblake1981]

I don't wonder about that; I consider it a certainty. The technology was different in terms of allowed zone size and polygon counts/etc, and the philosophy changed as well. Look at how by Velious player starting faction becomes virtually irrelevant, as does player size--all dungeon zone interiors are large enough to permit ogres free movement. Kunark wouldn't have needed its own standalone leveling path if it was packaged as part of the original game. You'd have more but smaller zones without the extended zone-lines that were a direct consequence of the developers trying to discourage zone-line camping/pulling. I'm not sure you'd have iksar at all, at least not in their extant form, without sales pressure driving the addition of an "overpowered" new race.

I might have liked that alternate world version of the game, but what we have here on P99 is pretty good too.

Danth

https://i.imgur.com/Z1NRw9s.gif

[Mblake1981]

Classic hill giant model in plate armor for Kael.
Altered model for Kunark forest giants (instead of Kunark hillbillies)

10/10

[Naethyn]

Bring on vulak ring, ancient spells, and artifacts.

[cd288]

I don't wonder about that; I consider it a certainty. The technology was different in terms of allowed zone size and polygon counts/etc, and the philosophy changed as well. Look at how by Velious player starting faction becomes virtually irrelevant, as does player size--all dungeon zone interiors are large enough to permit ogres free movement. Kunark wouldn't have needed its own standalone leveling path if it was packaged as part of the original game. You'd have more but smaller zones without the extended zone-lines that were a direct consequence of the developers trying to discourage zone-line camping/pulling. I'm not sure you'd have iksar at all, at least not in their extant form, without sales pressure driving the addition of an "overpowered" new race.

I might have liked that alternate world version of the game, but what we have here on P99 is pretty good too.

Danth

Kunark was supposed to be part of the original game they just hadn’t finished all of it by the time release rolled around

[Ooloo]

You can tell some velious and kunark zones began their designs during classic, because the zone architecture is all janky and low-poly compared to adjascent zones. Like velks.

[Fammaden]

Apply Plane of Sky rules to ToV. All buffs stripped anytime you zone in or evac (isle 1 port). No gating or porting out of zone, evac/succor only, otherwise you gotta use a zone out like VP or jumping off sky.

Disable CotH in the zone entirely. They already disabled binding in zone so /shrug.

Then unroot dragons but put them on a leash of some amount. Dozekar alone is sorely overdue to be unrooted, the meta around him is trash.

Additionally, change the way "guards" are linked to the boss dragons. Setting up wizards to kite Vulak's so called "guards" indefinitely while a whole raid of other people fight the master solo while these guards ignore the situation because-flux-staff-lol is entirely absurd on every level.

[Mblake1981]

The dungeons would have been more complex had they been fully finished for original era, Kunark and Velious would have had more substance to them instead of wastelands, there is a lack of inns or places to bind such as gypsy camps. Neither of them really seem like EQ player lands.

I mean, if not inns maybe more outposts.. something. I don't think VP nor TOV would exist.

[Ooloo]

Quick sidebar but I've always wondered this:

What is the intended "boss" of velious? Vulak? Sleeper\warders? AoW? Or is there not one? I mean the sleeper himself seems obvious but it isn't really a boss that you kill and get loot from, so he sorta doesn't count.

[Fammaden]

There would seem to be multiple and its more about the various zones having a boss. The whole expansion is a bunch of raid loot pinatas anyway, its not like there has to be a specific end fight. With the rock/scissors/paper faction system too there's basically multiple paths provided more than one linear direction to a single ultimate target.

[TheConsortium]

if they could recombine the assets from Planes of Power, add a full auction house not a Bazaar, and add crafting/nodes .. people would play the original game

take out the zonelines and upgrade the engine and the original IDEAS still could stand

there were vampires in planes of power... they could have easily added extra Castle Mistmoore, and expand MANY other zones ...

ONLY geography that makes sense is Kunark/Velious/Antonica/Odus/Faydwer and the PLANES ... the classic content with more crafting/player produced content/score boards/achievements ...

its so simple. I'll do it later though :P

[Arvan]

Apply Plane of Sky rules to ToV. All buffs stripped anytime you zone in or evac (isle 1 port). No gating or porting out of zone, evac/succor only, otherwise you gotta use a zone out like VP or jumping off sky.

Disable CotH in the zone entirely. They already disabled binding in zone so /shrug.

Then unroot dragons but put them on a leash of some amount. Dozekar alone is sorely overdue to be unrooted, the meta around him is trash.

Additionally, change the way "guards" are linked to the boss dragons. Setting up wizards to kite Vulak's so called "guards" indefinitely while a whole raid of other people fight the master solo while these guards ignore the situation because-flux-staff-lol is entirely absurd on every level.

Yeah flux staff needs a cast time. Other than that leave as is! Classic dungeon crawl!

[azeth]

Always felt Vulak rights should be given to whomever kills a vulak guard first. That guild then gets 15(or different) minutes to kill the remainder of guards. If successful then a shot at Vulak. If unsuccessful then whomever was second to kill a guard gets the same rights.

[myrddraal]

Always felt Vulak rights should be given to whomever kills a vulak guard first. That guild then gets 15(or different) minutes to kill the remainder of guards. If successful then a shot at Vulak. If unsuccessful then whomever was second to kill a guard gets the same rights.

leash guards, big laugh.

[karadin]

Unrooting the dragons will be an absolute disaster. All those of you who think you're in the inner circle may be surprised to find out that it's easier to share with less people. The same 12-20 people will fte all of the dragons within seconds providing no opportunities for people to even learn how to compete against them. Even on quakes the tov dragons will be pulled and dead so quickly that the same force will then be able to contest everything in kunark as well. It's a different game entirely, and one that just won't include most of us.

The problem with training in tov could easily be resolved by the staff through the existing rules if they wanted to do it. They don't and I'm not sure what that says about the staff other than they disagree or don't understand the effects their rule changes have had on the raid environment. Today's disaster of the meta in rooted dragons is not an inevitable outcome it's a consequence of allowing detoxx and furor to train whomever they want because they were on the tracks. I've watch them get every benefit of the doubt to absurdity while nobody else is afforded the same consideration.

There are lots of good people in vanquish. I know many of them through their former involvement in kittens. I certainly don't mind there being other options in the world of contesting all the dragons all the time. I never have. Competition at the high end can be a healthy thing for blue server. My issue with Vanquish is their leadership and a subset of their core that's willing to say and do anything to win. They harass our people (including furor), they follow us around in game and out trying to make playing p99 so distasteful we leave. They harass us in tells, ooc, and in say at every opportunity. They are poor winners and poor losers simultaneously. We have watched them train us and seriously set us back on quakes and tell us to get bent. Mock us for trying new things and failing. It's gross, and it has seriously destroyed the community we left on blue server. Shame on everyone for allowing it to happen. Have a merry christmas I guess.

This really is incredibly melodramatic, Spacepope. If you were trained on a quake there is a raid concern channel for a reason. If you are being harassed file a pnp against those people. We kill dragons in ToV and are sometimes grumpy in UN. We aren’t some spawns of satan out to ruin your community. Kittens had a good run with Riot in ToV but for whatever reason that alliance appears to have faltered. Mobs were being trained away long before Vanquish was around. Competing for dragons is incredibly fun and we simply enjoy pushing the mechanics of this game to their limits.

I wish you the best and I also hope you will reach out to me directly if we can help you in any way. It’s great to see more casual guilds like Kittens getting their share during draft weeks, quakes, and occasionally on natural spawns. It seems like you’re getting more loot now in the current meta than you were when riot were top dogs.

[Swish]

How about some more rules? That should help.

[azxten]

How about some more rules? That should help.

The only thing that made blue EQ fun was the lack of rule enforcement. We need to bring back training, tricking people into consent so you could lose their corpse, and everything else. Raid scene would actually be fun if you could train and interfere with mobs like on live.

[starkind]

Pretty sure a server that allowed KSing would bring back some unique comps and classes to the game.

Raid mobs/named should flat out resist memblur, mez tho. And many giants, planar, draconic mob types should be uncharmable if we want to go the custom route.

[Bardp1999]

The raid scene should be enforced and made to be exactly like it was in 1999, otherwise not sure why the server exists with no updates.

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/SrpOitV.jpeg

[titanshub]

This really is incredibly melodramatic, Spacepope. If you were trained on a quake there is a raid concern channel for a reason. If you are being harassed file a pnp against those people. We kill dragons in ToV and are sometimes grumpy in UN. We aren’t some spawns of satan out to ruin your community. Kittens had a good run with Riot in ToV but for whatever reason that alliance appears to have faltered. Mobs were being trained away long before Vanquish was around. Competing for dragons is incredibly fun and we simply enjoy pushing the mechanics of this game to their limits.

I wish you the best and I also hope you will reach out to me directly if we can help you in any way. It’s great to see more casual guilds like Kittens getting their share during draft weeks, quakes, and occasionally on natural spawns. It seems like you’re getting more loot now in the current meta than you were when riot were top dogs.

Kittens has never had any desire to compete for every mob every single week. In the past we have competed against Riot and found it to be quite fun. What's not fun is competing against Vanquish. Why do you imagine that is? As much as you guys go on about competition it looks from my perspective to be a lot more like systematic harassment of everyone else on the server. There is a line somewhere and you are so far over it that its shameful that the server allows it to happen.

Call it melodramatic if you like. To me what this is about is calling a spade a spade. If you want to change then I think that starts with having a little respect for this server and the other people who play here.

[Loke]

Why do you imagine that is? As much as you guys go on about competition it looks from my perspective to be a lot more like systematic harassment of everyone else on the server. There is a line somewhere and you are so far over it that its shameful that the server allows it to happen.


Some specifics would probably help you make your case. If this "harassment" is as pervasive as you make it sound, certainly there are a few examples you could share.

I've been around the server for a long time and I can say without a doubt right now is among the most civil it has ever been between top guilds and the raid scene as a whole. If you think anything going on right now is "systematic harassment", you'd have needed a grief counselor to handle p99 back in classic and kunark eras.

[Mblake1981]

I've been around the server for a long time and I can say without a doubt right now is among the most civil it has ever been between top guilds and the raid scene as a whole. If you think anything going on right now is "systematic harassment", you'd have needed a grief counselor to handle p99 back in classic and kunark eras.

https://i.imgur.com/gX2IM9e.gif

[karadin]

Kittens has never had any desire to compete for every mob every single week. In the past we have competed against Riot and found it to be quite fun. What's not fun is competing against Vanquish. Why do you imagine that is? As much as you guys go on about competition it looks from my perspective to be a lot more like systematic harassment of everyone else on the server. There is a line somewhere and you are so far over it that its shameful that the server allows it to happen.

Call it melodramatic if you like. To me what this is about is calling a spade a spade. If you want to change then I think that starts with having a little respect for this server and the other people who play here.

If you get trained you can always address it with me or another officer directly or address it in raid concerns. The fact that there are so few concerns between Vanquish and Kittens tells me that you're either declining to bring issues up or you are overstating your case. I can't think of many situations where we were directly competing against Kittens over the last year and a half. If we are it's generally at Aary or Fesh/Dagarn, maybe at LTK. Certainly when you were with Riot there were a few trains, but those were not one sided issues.

Maybe if you could provide some specifics it would help? Your callout to us in this thread was really vague.

[starkind]

If you get trained you can always address it with me or another officer directly or address it in raid concerns. The fact that there are so few concerns between Vanquish and Kittens tells me that you're either declining to bring issues up or you are overstating your case. I can't think of many situations where we were directly competing against Kittens over the last year and a half. If we are it's generally at Aary or Fesh/Dagarn, maybe at LTK. Certainly when you were with Riot there were a few trains, but those were not one sided issues.

Maybe if you could provide some specifics it would help? Your callout to us in this thread was really vague.

https://i.imgur.com/l001eCV.gif

[Ennewi]

yVNkM0U9tdE

[starkind]

yVNkM0U9tdE

plz tell me we have permanent psych holds for these guys??! :o

[Ennewi]

Riot = the vehicle in front she intended to ram
Kittens = the vehicle behind her

[zati]

This really is incredibly melodramatic, Spacepope. If you were trained on a quake there is a raid concern channel for a reason. If you are being harassed file a pnp against those people. We kill dragons in ToV and are sometimes grumpy in UN. We aren’t some spawns of satan out to ruin your community. Kittens had a good run with Riot in ToV but for whatever reason that alliance appears to have faltered. Mobs were being trained away long before Vanquish was around. Competing for dragons is incredibly fun and we simply enjoy pushing the mechanics of this game to their limits.

I wish you the best and I also hope you will reach out to me directly if we can help you in any way. It’s great to see more casual guilds like Kittens getting their share during draft weeks, quakes, and occasionally on natural spawns. It seems like you’re getting more loot now in the current meta than you were when riot were top dogs.

If you get trained you can always address it with me or another officer directly or address it in raid concerns. The fact that there are so few concerns between Vanquish and Kittens tells me that you're either declining to bring issues up or you are overstating your case. I can't think of many situations where we were directly competing against Kittens over the last year and a half. If we are it's generally at Aary or Fesh/Dagarn, maybe at LTK. Certainly when you were with Riot there were a few trains, but those were not one sided issues.

Maybe if you could provide some specifics it would help? Your callout to us in this thread was really vague.

look at these self-absorbed walls of text. this is what happens when u take p99 too seriously and never go outside.

[Worry]

does the raid scene cause mental illness or just attract those that are already suffering? seriously, it's night and day difference if you compare the casuals to the raiders lol..

[Worry]

yVNkM0U9tdE lmao the guy backing up to reveal how much room the woman had to leave that situation.

[starkind]

does the raid scene cause mental illness or just attract those that are already suffering? seriously, it's night and day difference if you compare the casuals to the raiders lol..

https://i.imgur.com/2kW2RSf.gif

[Bhairava]

does the raid scene cause mental illness or just attract those that are already suffering? seriously, it's night and day difference if you compare the casuals to the raiders lol..

grNTSa3p7b4

[Kazik]

Sorry you got rooted dragons.

Me too, buddy.

[titanshub]

If you get trained you can always address it with me or another officer directly or address it in raid concerns. The fact that there are so few concerns between Vanquish and Kittens tells me that you're either declining to bring issues up or you are overstating your case. I can't think of many situations where we were directly competing against Kittens over the last year and a half. If we are it's generally at Aary or Fesh/Dagarn, maybe at LTK. Certainly when you were with Riot there were a few trains, but those were not one sided issues.

Maybe if you could provide some specifics it would help? Your callout to us in this thread was really vague.

It's not vague. Your leadership and a subset of your members engage in systematic harassment. If you want logs, I won't provide them go ask furor or the others in your personal harassment department.

If you want to talk about training let's talk about klaz training us at vulak. We all stay at doubles to give you a clean engage and you repay that respect by dragging the train to doubles, lying about it, making us painstakingly prove it, then pretend you saw it was your mistake all along and lie in the petition about offering a pause. When we ask for proof you refuse repeatedly to provide it. We file a petition about you lying and the gms don't bother to actually read the petition or they just ignore the statement of fact that you never offered any form of concessions and objectively lied about it in a petition. Galach says mistakes were made on all sides. What mistake did we make? We did all we could to not desync you and to not have people in the way of your trains. It wasn't enough for you to take even the slightest amount of responsibility or even offer us anything more than outright trolling and a week with of harassment as we put the pieces back together.

Before you start to say the gms ruled against it, I don't care. I was there, I was involved in it from leadership,. I know exactly what took place and what our intentions were. The truth is that this one sticks with me but the supermajority of the times we have ever run into vanq or frag they have been like this. I'd be more than happy to burry the hatchet and let the past be the past but you can't even see how your constant egoism and and lack of responsibility for your actions has effected others.

For God sake, you have a thread right now about how arcler has little rat hands. This is a friend of mine that goes way back before the current meta to the days when kittens learn how to do ring wars partnering with ps. He may not be upset about it but I sure am. It's disgusting and so is the staff and server putting up with it and subjecting everyone who loves classic eq to people like this.

PS all the lies about this always being this way at the top end are bogus. Until detoxx and crew returned we had a year or two of civility. Simulated quakes and guilds making concessions when they broke the rules instead of just gaslighting everyone. What makes the current raid meta unbearable is a handful of people.

[Bhairava]

It's not vague. Your leadership and a subset of your members engage in systematic harassment. If you want logs, I won't provide them go ask furor or the others in your personal harassment department.

If you want to talk about training let's talk about klaz training us at vulak. We all stay at doubles to give you a clean engage and you repay that respect by dragging the train to doubles, lying about it, making us painstakingly prove it, then pretend you saw it was your mistake all along and lie in the petition about offering a pause. When we ask for proof you refuse repeatedly to provide it. We file a petition about you lying and the gms don't bother to actually read the petition or they just ignore the statement of fact that you never offered any form of concessions and objectively lied about it in a petition. Galach says mistakes were made on all sides. What mistake did we make? We did all we could to not desync you and to not have people in the way of your trains. It wasn't enough for you to take even the slightest amount of responsibility or even offer us anything more than outright trolling and a week with of harassment as we put the pieces back together.

Before you start to say the gms ruled against it, I don't care. I was there, I was involved in it from leadership,. I know exactly what took place and what our intentions were. The truth is that this one sticks with me but the supermajority of the times we have ever run into vanq or frag they have been like this. I'd be more than happy to burry the hatchet and let the past be the past but you can't even see how your constant egoism and and lack of responsibility for your actions has effected others.

For God sake, you have a thread right now about how arcler has little rat hands. This is a friend of mine that goes way back before the current meta to the days when kittens learn how to do ring wars partnering with ps. He may not be upset about it but I sure am. It's disgusting and so is the staff and server putting up with it and subjecting everyone who loves classic eq to people like this.

PS all the lies about this always being this way at the top end are bogus. Until detoxx and crew returned we had a year or two of civility. Simulated quakes and guilds making concessions when they broke the rules instead of just gaslighting everyone. What makes the current raid meta unbearable is a handful of people.

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[Bhairava]

If you want to talk about training let's talk about klaz training us at vulak. We all stay at doubles to give you a clean engage and you repay that respect by dragging the train to doubles, lying about it, making us painstakingly prove it, then pretend you saw it was your mistake all along and lie in the petition about offering a pause. When we ask for proof you refuse repeatedly to provide it. We file a petition about you lying and the gms don't bother to actually read the petition or they just ignore the statement of fact that you never offered any form of concessions and objectively lied about it in a petition. Galach says mistakes were made on all sides. What mistake did we make? We did all we could to not desync you and to not have people in the way of your trains. It wasn't enough for you to take even the slightest amount of responsibility or even offer us anything more than outright trolling and a week with of harassment as we put the pieces back together.

mistakes was made on both side

[Wharfrat]

At this point we all know who the assholes are....

[SantagarBrax]

To be Fair... Klaz trains his own guild too :D

[Wharfrat]

IMHO just make ToV a freeforall and lets see how it goes because some of us are restrained by rules and some of us aren't

[Bhairava]

make ToV a pvp enabled zone and all these problems are over

yes some of the weaker raiders will immediately quit and cry but youll get some baller r&f threads out of it

hope rogein or norble will think about this. if you're player base is retarded sometimes u gotta go extreme with the solutiens.

[Mblake1981]

make ToV a pvp enabled zone and all these problems are over

yes some of the weaker raiders will immediately quit and cry but youll get some baller r&f threads out of it

hope rogein or norble will think about this. if you're player base is retarded sometimes u gotta go extreme with the solutiens.

tiep rite u stoppid bich

[Bhairava]

tiep rite u stoppid bich

U MISPELLED TYPE

[Loke]

PS all the lies about this always being this way at the top end are bogus. Until detoxx and crew returned we had a year or two of civility. Simulated quakes and guilds making concessions when they broke the rules instead of just gaslighting everyone. What makes the current raid meta unbearable is a handful of people.

Yes, Riot unilaterally blowing up the ST and Ring War rotations once they had a strangle hold on the server is peak "civility". I think you're looking at that period with rose tinted glasses - probably because you're friends with Riot leadership and weren't really involved in the raid scene aside from the couple times WE (the people you seem to dislike so much) invited you guys to team up on Vyemm and Vulak.

[Fammaden]

Freedom or Ghxst or whatever they were calling themselves at the time came along and started fucking with those rotations as outsiders and forced the decision.

Worst you can say is Riot told them fuck off on getting a rotation slot after they did shit like deliberately turned in a rotated ring war they couldn't win and then tried to pretend they didn't know "the timers" rather than simply being trolls turning in a war with 12 people online.

So technically Riot broke out of the rotation but it was a reaction to a rogue entity deciding to troll the rotations and fuck up the server status quo. More gaslighting and rewriting history for a specific narrative.

[Bhairava]

basickly what happened was a group of mentally ill people tried to monaplyse content on a 20 year old game, and another group did not like it. so rogean had to step in and make sure they didnt poke each others eyes out with their plastic light sabers.

[Bhairava]

and one side is libtards and the other side is incels??? (maybe?????)

[Jibartik]

Incels were people with low functioning autism and mental disorders like agoraphobia and the left went full lord of the flies on them when they came out to the safe space.

I remember thinking wow, I am among thieves. I thought the people with disabilities were who were liked to help? Not these ones because we're high on feminitinity right now? Oh we want to kill them? Oh.. Ok!