What have we not thought of

[CancerMage]

What do you guys think we can ask the staff for next to help even the playing field. I have ran out of things to try to get us who don't have the time or will to out into socking 16 hour windows. I just can't justify that kind of time and effort investment into p99. There has got to be something that staff will find reasonable to change to hamper the poop socking guild from being able to take all the content away from normal players.

Any thoughts would be very helpful. I'm fresh out.

[plzrelax]

PvP enabled in raid zones

[YendorLootmonkey]

What do you guys think we can ask the staff for next to help even the playing field. I have ran out of things to try to get us who don't have the time or will to out into socking 16 hour windows. I just can't justify that kind of time and effort investment into p99. There has got to be something that staff will find reasonable to change to hamper the poop socking guild from being able to take all the content away from normal players.

Any thoughts would be very helpful. I'm fresh out.

The answer is simple. On the next iteration of classic servers to start up, instead of Green and Teal, you could have Purple and Mauve:

Purple: Ultra Sweaty Hardcore Neckbeard Competitive Server -- maybe even PVP enabled for true competition that the hardcore neckbeards keep saying they crave.

Mauve: Casual Server -- raid content rotated, strict rules in place for guilds being added to the rotation to make sure the same hardcore autists who have ruined the fun for casual players on P99 for the last 12 FUCKING YEARS don't continue doing so by just flooding the rotation with guilds of alts.

The only reasons ANYONE would have problems with this I can think of:
1) The neckbeards actually don't want to compete against any other guild designed to compete at their level.
2) The neckbeards literally cannot function without the validation from casual guilds while lording their pixels over them in EC tunnel.
3) It would kill the demand for some sort of RMT still going on behind the scenes that GMs haven't shut down yet that people are using to pay rent which is why it's always seemingly absolutely critical to have one guild dominating the content on the server.

Finally, Live classic servers that had GM-enforced rotations would be represented in this museum of nostalgia, and everyone will be happy and can play the way that was fun for them back in '99-'01.

I wonder how the population would skew.

[starkind]

Reduce channeling.

Re-normalize dodge/parry/riposte to pre planar levels. Rogues for starters should be getting missed a lot more below lvl 50. Enough to avoid 8 attacks in a row occasionally. AC mitigation would need to be reworked and individual mobs would need to be retuned across the entire game though. So don't worry.

[starkind]

Reduce channeling.

Re-normalize dodge/parry/riposte to pre planar levels. Rogues for starters should be getting missed a lot more below lvl 50. Enough to avoid 8 attacks in a row occasionally. AC mitigation would need to be reworked and individual mobs would need to be retuned across the entire game though. So don't worry.


This would just make dmg more spikey across the board. Ac slightly more meaningful but less effective. And avoidance skills would see bigger gains sub 100 skill. Riposte would become worth training. And mobs would chew up dps from the front a little more too.

[Fammaden]

Disable seven day respawns, quake once per week.

[RevSaber]

Root the mobs and have gm forced rotation and list camps.... Oh wait.

[pink grapefruit]

Strict GM-enforced roleplay.

I want this lol

[starkind]

Strict GM-enforced roleplay.

I want this lol

There was an mmo that did this. The drama was intense.

http://www.planeshift.it/

No idea if their old forums are archived. Ppl probably killed eachother irl over getting banned.

[pink grapefruit]

There was an mmo that did this. The drama was intense.

http://www.planeshift.it/

No idea if their old forums are archived. Ppl probably killed eachother irl over getting banned.

Oh that is downright lovely ☺️

Glad someone had the guts to do the right thing. We need this in P99 now!

[RevSaber]

They should go the SAO route and make u nerds look like your human avatars irl...

[Jimbingym]

They should go the SAO route and make u nerds look like your human avatars irl...

[pogs4ever]

Disable seven day respawns, quake once per week.

[loramin]

The answer is simple. On the next iteration of classic servers to start up, instead of Green and Teal, you could have Purple and Mauve:

Purple: Ultra Sweaty Hardcore Neckbeard Competitive Server -- maybe even PVP enabled for true competition that the hardcore neckbeards keep saying they crave.

Mauve: Casual Server -- raid content rotated, strict rules in place for guilds being added to the rotation to make sure the same hardcore autists who have ruined the fun for casual players on P99 for the last 12 FUCKING YEARS don't continue doing so by just flooding the rotation with guilds of alts.

The only reasons ANYONE would have problems with this I can think of:
1) The neckbeards actually don't want to compete against any other guild designed to compete at their level.
2) The neckbeards literally cannot function without the validation from casual guilds while lording their pixels over them in EC tunnel.
3) It would kill the demand for some sort of RMT still going on behind the scenes that GMs haven't shut down yet that people are using to pay rent which is why it's always seemingly absolutely critical to have one guild dominating the content on the server.

Finally, Live classic servers that had GM-enforced rotations would be represented in this museum of nostalgia, and everyone will be happy and can play the way that was fun for them back in '99-'01.

I wonder how the population would skew.

We can only dream ...

[Tunabros]

The answer is simple. On the next iteration of classic servers to start up, instead of Green and Teal, you could have Purple and Mauve:

Purple: Ultra Sweaty Hardcore Neckbeard Competitive Server -- maybe even PVP enabled for true competition that the hardcore neckbeards keep saying they crave.

Mauve: Casual Server -- raid content rotated, strict rules in place for guilds being added to the rotation to make sure the same hardcore autists who have ruined the fun for casual players on P99 for the last 12 FUCKING YEARS don't continue doing so by just flooding the rotation with guilds of alts.

The only reasons ANYONE would have problems with this I can think of:
1) The neckbeards actually don't want to compete against any other guild designed to compete at their level.
2) The neckbeards literally cannot function without the validation from casual guilds while lording their pixels over them in EC tunnel.
3) It would kill the demand for some sort of RMT still going on behind the scenes that GMs haven't shut down yet that people are using to pay rent which is why it's always seemingly absolutely critical to have one guild dominating the content on the server.

Finally, Live classic servers that had GM-enforced rotations would be represented in this museum of nostalgia, and everyone will be happy and can play the way that was fun for them back in '99-'01.

I wonder how the population would skew.

never cringed so hard in my life

[doeda]

telling people to go outside and move out of their parent's house.

[mycoolrausch]

What do you guys think we can ask the staff for next to help even the playing field. I have ran out of things to try to get us who don't have the time or will to out into socking 16 hour windows. I just can't justify that kind of time and effort investment into p99. There has got to be something that staff will find reasonable to change to hamper the poop socking guild from being able to take all the content away from normal players.

Any thoughts would be very helpful. I'm fresh out.

If the server staff wants a one guild server then your only option is to join the poopsock guild. In this scenario the server staff (imho) has an obligation to make sure said poopsock guild has an open enrollment and reasonable requirements for everyone on the server to join. To my knowledge all the top p99 guilds have met that criteria over the years.

[Fammaden]

If the server staff wants a one guild server then your only option is to join the poopsock guild. In this scenario the server staff (imho) has an obligation to make sure said poopsock guild has an open enrollment and reasonable requirements for everyone on the server to join. To my knowledge all the top p99 guilds have met that criteria over the years.

Yeah that's an interesting take. We see all the time people saying they will "never see raid content" or whatever. But if you actually look into it, ST, Kingdom, Vanquish, Riot.....all of them have no minimum attendance. All of them have ways to be an active member without devoting insane amounts of time. All of them will take you as long as you at least show some effort to contribute and learn when you do come to raids.

Now you might end up a sort of lesser than top "rank" of raider. You won't ever get BiS loots over someone who puts in a ton of time, but you CAN see any raid in the game. I've been in all of those guilds except one and all of them have had members who were ultra casual but still hopped on and enjoyed the ride when they were able.

The bigger timesink and obstacle for casual players to get to experience raids is just leveling up in the first place, especially leveling through your fifties. I'd be the first to agree that the raid meta on P99 is unhealthy and too often unfun, but on an individual level anyone who wants to experience endgame content can absolutely do so.

[zati]

What do you guys think we can ask the staff for next to help even the playing field. I have ran out of things to try to get us who don't have the time or will to out into socking 16 hour windows. I just can't justify that kind of time and effort investment into p99. There has got to be something that staff will find reasonable to change to hamper the poop socking guild from being able to take all the content away from normal players.

Any thoughts would be very helpful. I'm fresh out.

Even the playing field? For who? The 16 hr window applies to everyone seems pretty fair for those that are insane enough to wait for X mob for X item they want. If the window was 2 hrs people would still complain.

Long story short, its called play on a different server. Hope this helps. Not trying to be mean either it's just the way this server is.. to maintain the *classic* feel (even though many things aren't). EQ is designed to keep those heavily addicted to come back and play it even though upgrades become marginally noticeable. The devs know(original creators were junkies iirc?) mechanics to slow down progression is one of the easiest ways to do it without implementing anything at all.

No one is stopping ya from experiencing "Content" in EQ. Load up another free to play server or sub to live version. Bam. Instances. Don't act as if GMs owe you anything. It's a free to play server what more can you ask for???

[Twochain]

Yeah that's an interesting take. We see all the time people saying they will "never see raid content" or whatever. But if you actually look into it, ST, Kingdom, Vanquish, Riot.....all of them have no minimum attendance. All of them have ways to be an active member without devoting insane amounts of time. All of them will take you as long as you at least show some effort to contribute and learn when you do come to raids.

Now you might end up a sort of lesser than top "rank" of raider. You won't ever get BiS loots over someone who puts in a ton of time, but you CAN see any raid in the game. I've been in all of those guilds except one and all of them have had members who were ultra casual but still hopped on and enjoyed the ride when they were able.

The bigger timesink and obstacle for casual players to get to experience raids is just leveling up in the first place, especially leveling through your fifties. I'd be the first to agree that the raid meta on P99 is unhealthy and too often unfun, but on an individual level anyone who wants to experience endgame content can absolutely do so.

This.

The problem IS NOT that people who play the game casually can't raid, the problem people have here is that the people who play the game casually CAN'T KILL END GAME TARGETS WITH THEIR SMALL 30 PERSON CASUAL GUILD which, i'm sorry to inform you guys, is extremely fucking classic. MY small family guild I was in from 1999 to 2004 when I stopped playing EQ was hard wiping to Vindi in Luclin era. Want to raid? Join a raid guild.

[Twochain]

This.

The problem IS NOT that people who play the game casually can't raid, the problem people have here is that the people who play the game casually CAN'T KILL END GAME TARGETS WITH THEIR SMALL 30 PERSON CASUAL GUILD which, i'm sorry to inform you guys, is extremely fucking classic. MY small family guild I was in from 1999 to 2004 when I stopped playing EQ was hard wiping to Vindi in Luclin era. Want to raid? Join a raid guild.

Oh also would like to add in, during that 5 years that I played the game I never had a max level character.

[Argh]

Remove unclassic variance.

[billcrystals]

The only thing you need a massive zerg for on P99 is to have enough bodies to cover the insane, completely un-classic windows for mobs spawning.

[Tunabros]

The only thing you need a massive zerg for on P99 is to have enough bodies to cover the insane, completely un-classic windows for mobs spawning.

think you should head to TLP or TAKP, buddy :D

[Jibartik]

PvP enabled in raid zones

[loramin]

Remove unclassic variance.

Anything unclassic should have a VERY high bar for sticking around here.

I don't know what the staff's concerns/priorities are, but I find it hard to believe that varians is really serving those priorities so highly it's worth ignoring the upper-left corner of the screen.

[loramin]

*variance

[CancerMage]

alot of people here are like classic this classic that, we are all in our 30s or older. With real lives. We want to experience everquest, not spend 16 hours a day playing everquest to get to the good parts.

In this day and age there is no reason why we shouldnt have quality of life stuff like the TLP has. I want to play classic everquest. Not divorce my wife and leave my kids.

[Tunabros]

TBH if I did have all the time in the world, I would not waste it playing EQ for 16 hours

a day

though from a casual perspective, it sounds like such a nice life

being able to play EQ and get BIS gear.....get warder loot

but tbh I can't even sit in front of my laptop for 5 hours without needing to go out for

a walk

[Bardp1999]

Remove unclassic variance.

All variance does it make it so the no lifers are the only ones raiding. Tracking on P99 is literally a full-time job and there are just enough sickos willing to do it so that everyone has to do it or you just aren't part of the raid scene at all.

It would be far more classic in spirit if guilds could summon raid mobs - AKA undead bard and Trakanon - so that they could have scheduled guild activities.

[mycoolrausch]

alot of people here are like classic this classic that, we are all in our 30s or older. With real lives. We want to experience everquest, not spend 16 hours a day playing everquest to get to the good parts.

In this day and age there is no reason why we shouldnt have quality of life stuff like the TLP has. I want to play classic everquest. Not divorce my wife and leave my kids.

It doesn't matter if you spend 16 hours a day playing everquest, if you're 500 milliseconds slower at running a race, or need 2 extra minutes to organize your raid to train out in ntov, you wont get the mob. That's probably the most unclassic thing about p99. Nobody sat around with a fully formed raid force ready to engage a mob shortly after it spawned, but found themselves unable to do so, because another guild already killed it and everything else. The people ahead of the content curve in classic just hit the level cap faster, and then expansions with more content came out when others caught up, so everybody always had something to do. Obviously that's not going to work here.

[YendorLootmonkey]

never cringed so hard in my life

Why? Did the picture I paint of the no-life neckbeard contingent playing EQ here like it's the Olympics of Autism hit too close to home?

Seriously though, what problem would you realistically have with having one server for raid rules as they exist on Blue and Green ("competitive" lol) and FINALLY AFTER 12 YEARS one gotdamned server that actually caters to players that don't want to make EQ a 2nd full-time job and still progress their character and enjoy the content that they didn't get to:

1) on Live
2) on Blue, and now,
3) on Green?

I mean... fuck, man... what have you got against throwing casual players a bone and letting them have a rotation server after 12 years of Petition Quest raiding on P99? Even if you hate the idea of rotations, then go play on the non-rotation server and let them have fun the way they prefer.

Unless it's one of the three issues I've already mentioned.

[SantagarBrax]

Why?
I mean... fuck, man... what have you got against throwing casual players a bone and letting them have a rotation server after 12 years of Petition Quest raiding on P99?

We already have soft rotations in place: Fear golem races, Serpent draft, RW rolls, and bag limits in tov. What more do YOU want?? How many "bones" do you need without actually competing for them??

P99 is the only competitive semi-classic experience in existence. Quit your bitching and sense of entitlement. No one owes you anything, get off your tired ass and go and get it or don't.

[Mblake1981]

We already have soft rotations in place: Fear golem races, Serpent draft, RW rolls, and bag limits in tov. What more do YOU want?? How many "bones" do you need without actually competing for them??

P99 is the only competitive semi-classic experience in existence. Quit your bitching and sense of entitlement. No one owes you anything, get off your tired ass and go and get it or don't.

PC Gamer Magazine can't review P99 without Journalist Mode, you just want this server to have bad/no press. We need more furry soldiers because that is what classic EQ is all about.

[YendorLootmonkey]

We already have soft rotations in place: Fear golem races, Serpent draft, RW rolls, and bag limits in tov. What more do YOU want?? How many "bones" do you need without actually competing for them??

P99 is the only competitive semi-classic experience in existence. Quit your bitching and sense of entitlement. No one owes you anything, get off your tired ass and go and get it or don't.

And you would still have it. Again, what is wrong with providing an optional rotation-based server? There is literally no detriment to you. No one is forcing you to play there, you would still have a competitive option.

Talk about entitlement... I'm the one who's entitled? I just want to have fun with my friends, man.

You're the indignant, entitled asshole wanting to deprive an entire demographic of players from having fun because you and others like you have decided for the rest of the server, twice in a row now (Blue and Green), what the barrier of entry is for and earning pixel trinkets on a 22-year-old elf simulator. All because you are afraid your hard-earned 3am batphone pixels will mean less on your competitive server if a casual player can log on in a relaxed fashion at 8pm to raid NTOV with their like-minded friends without some internet bullies dumping trains on them on a rotation server. THAT, my friend, is entitlement.

Each subset of players having their own server does not impact you in any way unless you're worried everyone would flock to the rotation server and leave "competitive" servers empty and desolate, unless you're afraid to actually compete, or if you have some concerns that RMT demand would drop because casuals would be able to get your pixels. So which one is it? Fair question.

[Fammaden]

Again, what is wrong with providing an optional rotation-based server?

Very simple, the population is too split up as it is. Only so many people want to play P99 and the experience on both blue and green is suffering due to split attention between those two. Adding yet another is too far, and if you're right and almost everyone chooses the rotational path then at best one of the servers is a waste of resources.

Put an end to seven day respawns and quake it every week. Simulated server maintenance/downtime repops, which was a very classic weekly experience. Every guild gets the opportunity to go after targets without the 16 hour windows.

Three and five day spawns could stay the same for people who just love tracking and racing, if the server comes to rotate those mobs to any degree then so be it.

[pink grapefruit]

What is the point of a blue server if you don’t take turns and play nice?

Any guild on blue and green that refuses to join a rotation schedule should have their members all transferred to red. And then it should be up to the pve guilds themselves to come up with their rotation schedules.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Very simple, the population is too split up as it is. Only so many people want to play P99 and the experience on both blue and green is suffering due to split attention between those two. Adding yet another is too far, and if you're right and almost everyone chooses the rotational path then at best one of the servers is a waste of resources.


On the next iteration of P99, if they start another Day 1 server, say Purple, you're going to have people on Blue, Green, and Purple. So if the devs are concerned about splitting the population 3 ways, they roll Green into Blue as originally planned. Now you have Blue+ and Purple.

If they can spend resources also opening Teal just after Green release, they can open rotation server Mauve alongside Purple. Then let the chips fall where they may. If Purple dies out because I'm right and it's only the same 50 neckbeards that have been inflicting the "dominate the entire server with 16 hours of poopsocking and 3am batphones" style of raiding on P99 on the rest of us all along, then merge Purple with Mauve the same way Teal got merged,. From that point forward, the competitive players can no longer dictate to the proven majority of the community what raiding should require.

After all, they've already had their way on Blue and Green for 12 years while gaslighting the rest of us into thinking we're the entitled ones for wanting to share the slide and the swings on what they've declared as their playground.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Any guild on blue and green that refuses to join a rotation schedule should have their members all transferred to red.

This is the true solution. I'm sick of hearing "competitive" players telling casual players we need to earn our pixels when they're avoiding the server with true competition.

I'm guessing it's not nearly as fun to drop trains on a guild in NTOV if they can PVP in retaliation? After all, bullies only like pushing you around when you can't fight back.

[Allishia]

If there was no effort for the loot why would anyone play or value it? The value is there because not everyone can get it..

They have tons of pay to win / instanced servers for casual people /nod.

I worked hard for stuff I got and I love that and feel I earned it, tracking, leveling bots, etc to get ahead.

Just letting everyone have the same thing with no effort seems dumb and devalues it all. Let's give everyone a trophy so then it all means nothing..cause we can't have people who win, it might offend someone! :p

[Mblake1981]

This is the true solution. I'm sick of hearing "competitive" players telling casual players we need to earn our pixels when they're avoiding the server with true competition.

I'm guessing it's not nearly as fun to drop trains on a guild in NTOV if they can PVP in retaliation? After all, bullies only like pushing you around when you can't fight back.

When you get mauve server you can troll the blue server players about playing on blue server, that is all it amounts to.

[Mblake1981]

If there was no effort for the loot why would anyone play or value it? The value is there because not everyone can get it..

They have tons of pay to win / instanced servers for casual people /nod.

I worked hard for stuff I got and I love that and feel I earned it, tracking, leveling bots, etc to get ahead.

Just letting everyone have the same thing with no effort seems dumb and devalues it all. Let's give everyone a trophy so then it all means nothing..cause we can't have people who win, it might offend someone! :p

I agree with you but that is the direction its going, most new games are not worth any effort. The demographics have changed drastically since people now live their lives online.

[karadin]

All variance does it make it so the no lifers are the only ones raiding. Tracking on P99 is literally a full-time job and there are just enough sickos willing to do it so that everyone has to do it or you just aren't part of the raid scene at all.

It would be far more classic in spirit if guilds could summon raid mobs - AKA undead bard and Trakanon - so that they could have scheduled guild activities.

You could have a reasonably successful "casual" guild by only competing for mobs that go in the last few hours of their window. Let's say there are roughly 30 raid targets per cycle. Assuming spawn time chances are evenly distributed, 7 or 8 of those will go in the last quarter of their window. The great thing is that you are guaranteed to have a shot at the mob as there will be a 100% chance it spawns while you're tracking it.

[karadin]

IMO the best way to achieve some level of parity is for devs to guarantee 2 quakes and 2 natural cycles each month. Quakes force the hardcore guilds to be selective giving enough room for casual guilds to kill some dragons. Cycle in between allows for casual guilds to have a breather if they wish, or they can use the tightly packed windows to score some kills.

[Argh]

Removing variance (or reducing it to like +/- 5minutes to prevent some cheesing on racing) would have a significant impact on the quality of life of everyone who raids, and people who want to raid.

For casual guilds it makes it possible to compete without needing a 200 man roster so that you can have all hours of targets windows covered, and lets them schedule raid targets, and compete with smaller numbers.

For hardcorde guilds it removes the Mike Rowe-esque dirty job of focusing intensely at a wall for 16 hours and lets people focus more on racing and metas that are actually relevant to gameplay.

For the staff it would ideally (possible pipe dream?) reduce the overall amount of elf lawyering since people aren't investing 100s of hours every cycle with possibly 0 return. At this point you could spend 40 hours writing your elf law complaints and still spend less time on it that you did on tracking 2 mobs.

The ironic thing here is that variance was added with the intent to stop poopsocking (it certainly stopped what was happening at the time), but all it has done is made it so you need to poopsock intensely for the entire duration to even have a chance.

It's not classic, and I'm not sure what purpose it has at this point.

[billcrystals]

I think pretty much 99% of people agree that more quakes would solve almost every issue the server's raid scene currently has. With the 1% dissent being the dev team for some reason? I truly dunno why they don't just do more quakes.

[YendorLootmonkey]

If there was no effort for the loot why would anyone play or value it? The value is there because not everyone can get it..

They have tons of pay to win / instanced servers for casual people /nod.

I worked hard for stuff I got and I love that and feel I earned it, tracking, leveling bots, etc to get ahead.

Just letting everyone have the same thing with no effort seems dumb and devalues it all. Let's give everyone a trophy so then it all means nothing..cause we can't have people who win, it might offend someone! :p

Ah, the ol' "go play elsewhere, this is our playground" bully tactic.

Did you ever stop to think that for some, the effort is about banding together with your friends, hashing out and executing a strategy, and getting the kill, and not about who clicked on a button a millisecond faster, who has the better raid rules loophole finders, or who recruited the most people with enough free time to muster a raid force at 3am? That is artificial effort created by other players as a barrier to entry, which serves to reduce competition.

Not specifically addressing you because I don't know your stance on the matter, but in general I find it ironic that the same players who whine about wanting pixels to require effort hate with a passion that NTOV dragons are rooted so they have to, as a minimum, put in an effort to COTH the entire raid force into position instead of a handful of players pulling the dragon to the zone for the other 60-100 warm bodies to kill and then log out.

Should it take effort or not? I'm confused.

[Allishia]

Ah, the ol' "go play elsewhere, this is our playground" bully tactic.

Did you ever stop to think that for some, the effort is about banding together with your friends, hashing out and executing a strategy, and getting the kill, and not about who clicked on a button a millisecond faster, who has the better raid rules loophole finders, or who recruited the most people with enough free time to muster a raid force at 3am? That is artificial effort created by other players as a barrier to entry, which serves to reduce competition.

Not specifically addressing you because I don't know your stance on the matter, but in general I find it ironic that the same players who whine about wanting pixels to require effort hate with a passion that NTOV dragons are rooted so they have to, as a minimum, put in an effort to COTH the entire raid force into position instead of a handful of players pulling the dragon to the zone for the other 60-100 warm bodies to kill and then log out.

Should it take effort or not? I'm confused.

I like both pulling the dragons cause I made ton of dkp from hub and hall tags / parking pets with my rogue etc..and love the rooted dragons too cause you get to see everything now..

I will say a ton of people quit once they realized we had to clear ntov. But I enjoy pog and sky raids still so clearing is fun to me, love tanking things /nod..

And you can be casual and join a raid guild if all your wanting to do is kill some dragons and not expecting bis loots...don't have to play often, tbh I hardly play much at all anymore, just log in, tank a dragon or two or 3 :)

[Mblake1981]

Removing variance (or reducing it to like +/- 5minutes to prevent some cheesing on racing) would have a significant impact on the quality of life of everyone who raids, and people who want to raid.

For casual guilds it makes it possible to compete without needing a 200 man roster so that you can have all hours of targets windows covered, and lets them schedule raid targets, and compete with smaller numbers.

For hardcorde guilds it removes the Mike Rowe-esque dirty job of focusing intensely at a wall for 16 hours and lets people focus more on racing and metas that are actually relevant to gameplay.

For the staff it would ideally (possible pipe dream?) reduce the overall amount of elf lawyering since people aren't investing 100s of hours every cycle with possibly 0 return. At this point you could spend 40 hours writing your elf law complaints and still spend less time on it that you did on tracking 2 mobs.

The ironic thing here is that variance was added with the intent to stop poopsocking (it certainly stopped what was happening at the time), but all it has done is made it so you need to poopsock intensely for the entire duration to even have a chance.

It's not classic, and I'm not sure what purpose it has at this point.

i missed this post my first time through, felt relief reading it so i read the whole thing. Those inclined will poop sock any change or meta, it's their preferred play style. Maybe pick the least worst thing and stick with it.

[loramin]

Yendor is dropping truth bombs in this thread, and all the "arguments" against his points are so weak they're actually making the case for him.

[Nexii]

Removing variance (or reducing it to like +/- 5minutes to prevent some cheesing on racing) would have a significant impact on the quality of life of everyone who raids, and people who want to raid.

For casual guilds it makes it possible to compete without needing a 200 man roster so that you can have all hours of targets windows covered, and lets them schedule raid targets, and compete with smaller numbers.

For hardcorde guilds it removes the Mike Rowe-esque dirty job of focusing intensely at a wall for 16 hours and lets people focus more on racing and metas that are actually relevant to gameplay.

For the staff it would ideally (possible pipe dream?) reduce the overall amount of elf lawyering since people aren't investing 100s of hours every cycle with possibly 0 return. At this point you could spend 40 hours writing your elf law complaints and still spend less time on it that you did on tracking 2 mobs.

The ironic thing here is that variance was added with the intent to stop poopsocking (it certainly stopped what was happening at the time), but all it has done is made it so you need to poopsock intensely for the entire duration to even have a chance.

It's not classic, and I'm not sure what purpose it has at this point.

Yea the only anti-sock alternative I can think of that'd reduce it would be a zone wide banish when a raid mob pops. And the server could announce it (possibly, not a hard requirement)

Downside would be whoever zones the fastest often would just win the mob (it'd perhaps require a throttle)

2 trackers allows massive forces to be ready to instant engage with COTH, and is a large culprit.

[starkind]

Toggle pvp on during quakes.

[Naethyn]

Bag limit kael.

[Mblake1981]

Yendor is dropping truth bombs in this thread, and all the "arguments" against his points are so weak they're actually making the case for him.

Well he is arguing from a classic perspective found on some servers, so 'not classic' doesn't work. When you get mauve server, be sure to stop in the general chat area and strike up some server vs. server drama to keep things interesting for yourselves, i largely ignore if because its no longer relevant to my game world. Like a Bristlebane player keeping up with the Karana server.

The amount of new players will be spikey at first then settle to a handful of newcomers with a bunch of boxing going on between servers. No longer PVE vs. PVP.

[YendorLootmonkey]

And you can be casual and join a raid guild if all your wanting to do is kill some dragons and not expecting bis loots...don't have to play often, tbh I hardly play much at all anymore, just log in, tank a dragon or two or 3 :)

I could also go to a strip club wearing a blindfold.

[Shourty]

Back in the olden days, when I started playing eq, they nerfed wizzerds. Then they nerphed other classes just to make it more fair.
I thought then and still do think, if you think your character is under powered, change to one that has what you want. Don't screw up someone else's fun.
That works in life too.

[SantagarBrax]

And you would still have it. Again, what is wrong with providing an optional rotation-based server? There is literally no detriment to you. No one is forcing you to play there, you would still have a competitive option.

Talk about entitlement... I'm the one who's entitled? I just want to have fun with my friends, man.

You're the indignant, entitled asshole wanting to deprive an entire demographic of players from having fun because you and others like you have decided for the rest of the server, twice in a row now (Blue and Green), what the barrier of entry is for and earning pixel trinkets on a 22-year-old elf simulator. All because you are afraid your hard-earned 3am batphone pixels will mean less on your competitive server if a casual player can log on in a relaxed fashion at 8pm to raid NTOV with their like-minded friends without some internet bullies dumping trains on them on a rotation server. THAT, my friend, is entitlement.

Each subset of players having their own server does not impact you in any way unless you're worried everyone would flock to the rotation server and leave "competitive" servers empty and desolate, unless you're afraid to actually compete, or if you have some concerns that RMT demand would drop because casuals would be able to get your pixels. So which one is it? Fair question.

Coming from your casual mind, I can understand how you just don't get it. I truly believe you're playing the wrong game. No one is denying you anything, all it takes is some effort on you and your friends part to be successful. There's nothing stopping you from: learning the mechanics, getting like-minded individuals together sufficient to complete the task, preparing, and executing so you can all "have fun".

What's stopping you? What targets are you trying to go after and experience? There's been many occasions where a group of friends (guilds) have sent a message to leadership in both top raiding guilds to see if they would abstain on a certain target for their enjoyment, with acknowledgement and agreement from the top two raiding guilds. If you think you're going to "raid NToV" while the top raid guilds leave it up and uncontested for your pleasure, you're sorely mistaken and I'll elaborate the reasons "why?" shortly.

You seem to fail to grasp the nature of Everquest on P99 and on live from back in the day. The game is competitive by design, not just in raiding. Literally everything is competitive and it didn't start changing until LDON with instances, then they eventually went back and changed Plane of Time to instanced during OoW.

You're advocating for an optional server with rotated content...there's plenty of other servers out there with that exact feature in mind. Take your friends and go have fun?

You also have this misconception of how raiding was back in Classic on Live and how it is now on p99 in 2021, so I'll try to expand the concept:

Live raiding was always Loot Council because a guild needed Tanks / Clerics / etc geared up to be able to take down the next targets in progressive expansions. You also had Raid Attendance % minimums that had to be met in order to be considered for an item in most guilds, to show that you were pulling your weight and contributing. This was also true here on P99 when Velious dropped. Tanks / Clerics / Shamans all received ST keys loot counciled so we could break in and contest Rampage, etc. The rules have changed over the years and a lot of people fought against the loot council rules to get it changed to a fairer system. After loot council was gone, you still had to maintain a minimum RA% in order to bid on stuff, and it was For Mains Only. One could never bid for your alts unless main swapped and made it official, to be blessed by leadership of course. Think your 60 Cleric Main is going to get the go ahead to swap to another toon? Think again. Now, one doesn't need any RA% in order to bid on an item and you may also bid on items for any of alts on top of that. This situation has been in place about two years now and what you're seeing is the continuous evolution of the system.

So for the first 10 years of the existence of raiding on p99, most guilds couldn't afford to let people gear alts without recourse, maybe the 2nd or 3rd year of Kunark onward to Velious would be the exception, until Velious dropped and the cycle reverted. Now, for the last two years or so, alts have been getting the special treatment that they've been denied. Just to put this into perspective for you. This is the reason all targets are contested all the time, for the most part. The constant evolution of the raid rules, both within guilds, from CSR, and the natural timeline of progression on p99, has dictated the very nature of the raid scene. The burning out of raiders that push too hard and don't take breaks, the influx of new members fresh onto the competitive raid scene and they require training, the advent of Green and split populations...all of these factors and more come into play.

Do you have any idea how long some people have been wanting some items, or any items, for some of their other toons? Not to mention the BiS stuff from off of Vulak / Doze / etc for their main toons?? People have literally been waiting YEARS. And here you come along and want to shit on everyone else's time and sacrifices just so you and your friends can "have some fun". Do you have any concept of the amount of bullshit raiders have had to wade through, across guilds and across server rule changes, just to get the opportunity for that one item they've been after for years?? How about how many times we've failed before we learned to succeed, over and over again? Can you imagine how many bites of the shit sandwich people take and continue to drive on like the consummate professionals they are, all the while dealing with differing personalities, politics, and all the social abstracts that come with being in a raiding guild? It can take one person up to 6 months of raiding to get just ONE bis item. There's people on this server that have been playing for 10 years and just recently gained full BiS. Constantly sacrificing some of their time and dealing with infinite bitching and moaning from you casuals about "whaaaa, we just want to enjoy the content too without any effort!" and all the while against the very nature of the game.

Fuck off you Motherfucker You.... and I mean that with all due respect. So yes, you are the entitled asshole in this scenario lacking empathy. I'm just the necessary asshole that has the privilege of explaining this to you. There are plenty of options for you and your friends to have some fun, whether it be here on p99 or elsewhere.


No one is depriving you of anything. Come and get it, play on another server, or just stfu already.

Cheers

[Naethyn]

lol

[Twochain]

Yendor is dropping truth bombs in this thread, and all the "arguments" against his points are so weak they're actually making the case for him.

on live, if you weren't apart of the 1 or 2 top guilds, you weren't getting ToV gear in Velious.

[Tunabros]

Yendor is mad the only loot he has is thorny vine armor from plane of fear

heard TAKP has rotations, could try that out if you really want all raid content to be

rotated

we already have drafts, bag limits, and rolls. what more do you want?

full rotations isn't classic, it's kinda cringe not gonna lie

[Jimbingym]

20k word manifesto

[Jomar]

Yendor is mad the only loot he has is thorny vine armor from plane of fear
yendor's carried around two guns and a shovel for 11 years

step light, son.

[Allishia]

I could also go to a strip club wearing a blindfold.

So it is about the loot and not seeing / experiencing the raid content then?
Gotcha ! :p

[Praxcthius]

Maybe we can make the server in such a way that when you log in all raid mobs spawn and your raid is ready to go at your beck and call. Oh….. hold on….. the grand creation server? Or easy mode server in enemy allows you to do that. Yendor you are complaining you are having extreme difficulty killling things you want to kill when you want to kill it. Do you download (insert any game name here). And when it’s done installing I guess it should just say you win and max level toon and bis loot. What’s more satisfying. Having someone say well done cuz you accomplished something through perseverance and dedication or trophy when you walk in the room having done absolutely nothing?

Klazdaxthun

[Praxcthius]

Enemy = eqemu list of servers. Phone discord auto correct sigh

[YendorLootmonkey]

So it is about the loot and not seeing / experiencing the raid content then?
Gotcha ! :p

What part of anything I said makes you think I want to tag along with Seal Team to experience the content and help them monopolize everything EVEN MORE? LOL

Don't be purposely obtuse. It's about being able to play the game, which involves raiding content, reaping the rewards, gratzing your friends, and progressing your character. Just like we did on Live. HOWEVER....

...one important difference preventing that. The thing everyone likes to conveniently forget is that on Live, there were expansions beyond Velious that allowed the hardcore guilds to go fuck off on bleeding edge Luclin/PoP content and beyond, and then the casual guilds got to "move on up". We don't have that here... there is a content ceiling and the hardcore raid guilds are stuck against it with nowhere to fuck off to. So the "wait out the hardcore neckbeards until they've gone off to the juicier pixels" aspect of EQ Live never happens here, and is purely an artificial side effect of P99 being locked to Velious.

Opening an optional rotation server next launch would at least let casual players enjoy the game without the artificial ceiling keeping hardcore raid guilds around to monopolize the top content. And the hardcore guilds can go have fun butting their heads against each other on the competitive version of the server. This would help simulate the "top tier guilds moved on to other expansions" impact due to their complete abhorrence to the mere suggestion of players being able to work together and enjoy playing the game.

No, playing TAKP or TLPs aren't the answer and you know it, due to boxing on TAKP and Daybreak not being able to recreate classic as well as P99 has.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Yendor is mad the only loot he has is thorny vine armor from plane of fear

If I cared about loot, don't you think I would have followed my friends into FoW when the merger happened?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Do you have any idea how long some people have been wanting some items, or any items, for some of their other toons? Not to mention the BiS stuff from off of Vulak / Doze / etc for their main toons?? People have literally been waiting YEARS. And here you come along and want to shit on everyone else's time and sacrifices just so you and your friends can "have some fun". Do you have any concept of the amount of bullshit raiders have had to wade through, across guilds and across server rule changes, just to get the opportunity for that one item they've been after for years?? How about how many times we've failed before we learned to succeed, over and over again? Can you imagine how many bites of the shit sandwich people take and continue to drive on like the consummate professionals they are, all the while dealing with differing personalities, politics, and all the social abstracts that come with being in a raiding guild? It can take one person up to 6 months of raiding to get just ONE bis item. There's people on this server that have been playing for 10 years and just recently gained full BiS. Constantly sacrificing some of their time and dealing with infinite bitching and moaning from you casuals about "whaaaa, we just want to enjoy the content too without any effort!" and all the while against the very nature of the game.

Holy. Shit.

Re-read that to yourself, dude. Better yet, re-read that to the family you've been ignoring. Or a therapist.

Imagine taking a 22-year-old video game this seriously in 2021?

This is the exact sociopathic mindset I talk about. This is the try-hard mindset that allows you, in your mind, to bully others, to consider this YOUR playground, to dictate to others how they need to play the game.

It is a fucking emulated server, man. Get a hold of yourself. When compared to the Olympics, this is like devoting your life to full days of athletic training and performance enhancing drugs to win a game of kickball in elementary school.

I am horrified at the level some of you are playing at and now I totally understand where the raid toxicity comes from.

You're going to be cockblocking everyone from Naggy from your deathbed in 2060 on the Orange 5.0 server or whatever they call that launch when they run out of colors, aren't you?

[Ripqozko]

Holy. Shit.

Re-read that to yourself, dude. Better yet, re-read that to the family you've been ignoring. Or a therapist.

Imagine taking a 22-year-old video game this seriously in 2021?

This is the exact sociopathic mindset I talk about. This is the try-hard mindset that allows you, in your mind, to bully others, to consider this YOUR playground, to dictate to others how they need to play the game.

It is a fucking emulated server, man. Get a hold of yourself. When compared to the Olympics, this is like devoting your life to full days of athletic training and performance enhancing drugs to win a game of kickball in elementary school.

I am horrified at the level some of you are playing at and now I totally understand where the raid toxicity comes from.

You're going to be cockblocking everyone from Naggy from your deathbed in 2060 on the Orange 5.0 server or whatever they call that launch when they run out of colors, aren't you?

Gonna go out on a limb and say you do not have warder loot, for that I am sorry. Hope that helped.

[Mblake1981]

Holy. Shit.

Re-read that to yourself, dude. Better yet, re-read that to the family you've been ignoring. Or a therapist.

Imagine taking a 22-year-old video game this seriously in 2021?

This is the exact sociopathic mindset I talk about. This is the try-hard mindset that allows you, in your mind, to bully others, to consider this YOUR playground, to dictate to others how they need to play the game.

It is a fucking emulated server, man. Get a hold of yourself. When compared to the Olympics, this is like devoting your life to full days of athletic training and performance enhancing drugs to win a game of kickball in elementary school.

I am horrified at the level some of you are playing at and now I totally understand where the raid toxicity comes from.

You're going to be cockblocking everyone from Naggy from your deathbed in 2060 on the Orange 5.0 server or whatever they call that launch when they run out of colors, aren't you?

Hes playing the classic game. 'Not Classic' doesn't work. Some servers had a rotation setup so 'Not Classic' doesn't work with that, its simply not the majority because if it was then rotations would be in already, i think. This is how things will probably be since people have a taste for new servers setup a certain way, Green set a precedence which is on display here.

You will probably get a rotation server at some point and poke fun at 'blue raid drama' like Green players do now.

[Mblake1981]

Gonna go out on a limb and say you do not have warder loot, for that I am sorry. Hope that helped.

i was waiting for it and its not even my thread.

[nyclin]

You will probably get a rotation server at some point and poke fun at 'blue raid drama' like Green players do now.

and the only reason Green players can do this is that it's basically a one-guild server and guilds have stratified to a more classic tiering with the less-hardcore guilds focusing on older content, which is Classic As Fuck

give it 6-8 months when guilds other than ST start to get hungry/competitive, and I'd wager you'll see the same exact blue drama start to play out

[Ratchet51]

When will people realize that he doesn't care about the loot, he doesn't care about experiencing the content, he knows there are already servers out there offering exactly what he claims he's looking for... He came here to bitch, and you're all validating him.

[JDAm0nk]

Very simple, the population is too split up as it is. Only so many people want to play P99 and the experience on both blue and green is suffering due to split attention between those two. Adding yet another is too far, and if you're right and almost everyone chooses the rotational path then at best one of the servers is a waste of resources.

This is hilarious!!

Basically: "Don't make a more casual-oriented, raid-rotation server because too many people will want to play on that and not with the 'competitive' folks."

Yeah... that's the point.

[nyclin]

When will people realize that he doesn't care about the loot, he doesn't care about experiencing the content, he knows there are already servers out there offering exactly what he claims he's looking for... He came here to bitch, and you're all validating him.

the forum title is literally rants and flames, hope this helps

but really, fuck that guy for wanting p99 to be a great experience for everyone and not just a select group of WFH/unemployed grognards right guys?

[Mblake1981]

This is hilarious!!

Basically: "Don't make a more casual-oriented, raid-rotation server because too many people will want to play on that and not with the 'competitive' folks."

Yeah... that's the point.

Then why are you talking to any of them.

[Tunabros]

If I cared about loot, don't you think I would have followed my friends into FoW when the merger happened?

if they were your friends, why wouldn't you want to join them? FoW got quite a few

dragons last quake (good for them :D)

if you didn't care about loot, why ask for rotations?

you want to experience dragons but don't want to join a raiding guild??

dude, are you like slow in the head or something

[Mblake1981]

i think he wants to raid but with his group at their own leisure. Its a nice fantasy. tbh i wanted the same thing once but was never once interested in hopping to a different server.

a shamefur dispray in this social game.

[Tunabros]

you get what you work for

i think yendor is a communist, guys

[Kiithsa]

We can't have a rotated server b/c it would cheapen your experience and make your effort a joke? The server split would hurt the population too much?

Per the admission of a few people here already, apparently such servers exist. "Go play on the TLP" they say.

If the idea that such servers existing cheapens the experience or hurts server population was true. Then that would be happening already. If TLP solved the problems that have been addressed here, then that's where people would be. Certainly not here in RnF offering solutions to issues they feel are relevant. It's really that simple.

I'm still waiting to hear how this would affect those who want competitive raiding. No one is trying to take that away from you. If anything this would give you the opportunity to have a server with a set of rules that is specific to that kind of raiding. Instead of trying to cater to both sides with things. (Bag limits, Drafts , etc)

[Mblake1981]

I'm still waiting to hear how this would affect those who want competitive raiding. No one is trying to take that away from you. If anything this would give you the opportunity to have a server with a set of rules that is specific to that kind of raiding. Instead of trying to cater to both sides with things. (Bag limits, Drafts , etc)

Oh, how to say this without being a cringelord..

Same thrill that was found in gaming back then, no sense of empathy like that found online. Same as 'pwning noobs' and 'getting wrecked'. Some still keep the spirit alive, in a more muted form (age i guess).

Lesson to be learned: Get Good.

[Naethyn]

People often mistake neckbeards as wanting "competition" when the truth couldn't be further. What they actually want is to lord over pixels preventing any competition from actually forming.

[Mblake1981]

<Fat Dragon>

[slard271]

People often mistake neckbeards as wanting "competition" when the truth couldn't be further. What they actually want is to lord over pixels preventing any competition from actually forming.

An inherent aspect of competition is actually winning. Who targets to win only 60 or blahblah% of the time? You target to win, period.

[Kiithsa]

Oh, how to say this without being a cringelord..

Same thrill that was found in gaming back then, no sense of empathy like that found online. Same as 'pwning noobs' and 'getting wrecked'. Some still keep the spirit alive, in a more muted form (age i guess).

Lesson to be learned: Get Good.

Getting good isn't what we're talking about. Those who want to compete can "get good" all they want. This is about being able to play the game in a way that we find fun, the competitive folks are doing the same thing. They've been "having fun" for quite a long time now, and again, no one is trying to take that away.

And let's not act like "pwning noobs" is a serious justification here. If that's what we're taking away from people by having a rotated server then I genuinely don't care, it's not a good reason.

[Mblake1981]

Getting good isn't what we're talking about. Those who want to compete can "get good" all they want. This is about being able to play the game in a way that we find fun, the competitive folks are doing the same thing. They've been "having fun" for quite a long time now, and again, no one is trying to take that away.

Yeah i get it, i wanted something similar once. You are not trying to take anything away but for some reason need to reason it with the people here. Why bother at all. If they opened up that server next week, the players who wanted to go will go. Same for blue or green server.

[Mblake1981]

And let's not act like "pwning noobs" is a serious justification here. If that's what we're taking away from people by having a rotated server then I genuinely don't care, it's not a good reason.

What does reason have to do with any of that or what makes fun in games.

[Kiithsa]

I bother because I feel like having the discussion is the only way things are going to change. You're right that I don't NEED to reason with the people here. If the P99 server staff wants to open that kind of server then they would just do it.

It is possible, just possible, that having the discussion and hammering out what works and what doesn't might attract the kind of change we want to see.

[Ripqozko]

I bother because I feel like having the discussion is the only way things are going to change. You're right that I don't NEED to reason with the people here. If the P99 server staff wants to open that kind of server then they would just do it.

It is possible, just possible, that having the discussion and hammering out what works and what doesn't might attract the kind of change we want to see.

imagine thinking discussion on a forum dedicated to shit posting is gonna change anything, hope that helped.

[Bardp1999]

I bother because I feel like having the discussion is the only way things are going to change. You're right that I don't NEED to reason with the people here. If the P99 server staff wants to open that kind of server then they would just do it.

It is possible, just possible, that having the discussion and hammering out what works and what doesn't might attract the kind of change we want to see.

Oh you sweet summer child

[Tunabros]

Holy. Shit.

Re-read that to yourself, dude. Better yet, re-read that to the family you've been ignoring. Or a therapist.

Imagine taking a 22-year-old video game this seriously in 2021?

This is the exact sociopathic mindset I talk about. This is the try-hard mindset that allows you, in your mind, to bully others, to consider this YOUR playground, to dictate to others how they need to play the game.

It is a fucking emulated server, man. Get a hold of yourself. When compared to the Olympics, this is like devoting your life to full days of athletic training and performance enhancing drugs to win a game of kickball in elementary school.

I am horrified at the level some of you are playing at and now I totally understand where the raid toxicity comes from.

You're going to be cockblocking everyone from Naggy from your deathbed in 2060 on the Orange 5.0 server or whatever they call that launch when they run out of colors, aren't you?

you seem to be taking is so seriously, your getting mad at people on a 10+ year old

forum for a emulated 20 year old game about elfs killing gods

can't wait to wake up in the morning to see what bullshit you thought up of that

will make p99 "healthy" and get rid of the "neckbeards"

hope that helps

[Kiithsa]

imagine thinking discussion on a forum dedicated to shit posting is gonna change anything, hope that helped.

You're not wrong. This discussion has actually raised some serious ideas on how to clean up the raid scene. It's gotten a bit better than just shitposting so maybe we should move this to a more appropriate forum.

[Tunabros]

Rogean is heavily against rotations and bag limits (but due to casual players bitching

about it, we have them now)

on green, bag limits will be coming back in a few months (some white dragon is gonna

wake up and cause shit to happen :D )

then your here bitching to us and begging the devs to make a server that fits your entitled

playstyle so you can enjoy WHAT YOU WANT?

my god, if you want to see dragons so bad, make a eqmeu server and run around or

summon BIS items for your horrible roleplay shovel half elf thingy (cringe)

Your logic:

Devs will listen to me and make a server that has fully rotated content. I'm sure

that players from green and blue will not leave to join it! I'm sure that p99 is 90%

neckbeards that way the rotated servers can be populated!

WRONG

Take all the sheep out and you have are wolves. They're gonna eat each other once there

are no sheep and the server will die.

GMs are already having to keep up with the bullshit on this server aka petitionquest

let alone manage a rotation between a billion guilds who all want in a rotation

oh and one more thing


sorry your bad at this game
hope this helps

[Polixa]

I totally agree with Yendorlootmonkey in this thread.

All these crazies in favour of "competition". Competitively calling in sick from work or competitively dropping playtime with the family because a mob spawned. Competitively pissing in a bucket so they can keep competitively clicking a button for hours on end.

I want to play PvE and experience the content but the content is not available if I don't join the zerg brigade.

My classic experience was our guild would rally for Nagafen. Wipe, CR, wipe, CR and get it on the 3rd or 4th try (or go home).

Can't happen here. On this server the dragons are dead because Team 600Members logged in and killed them 2 minutes after spawning.

If this was how "competition" worked then real life sports would not have scheduled kick off times and your team would be 1-0 down from the kickoff because the other team got to the stadium before yours did.

But it's not like that because that's not how competition works, except in P99 retarded raid scene.

[Tunabros]

I totally agree with Yendorlootmonkey in this thread.

All these crazies in favour of "competition". Competitively calling in sick from work or competitively dropping playtime with the family because a mob spawned. Competitively pissing in a bucket so they can keep competitively clicking a button for hours on end.

I want to play PvE and experience the content but the content is not available if I don't join the zerg brigade.

My classic experience was our guild would rally for Nagafen. Wipe, CR, wipe, CR and get it on the 3rd or 4th try (or go home).

Can't happen here. On this server the dragons are dead because Team 600Members logged in and killed them 2 minutes after spawning.

If this was how "competition" worked then real life sports would not have scheduled kick off times and your team would be 1-0 down from the kickoff because the other team got to the stadium before yours did.

But it's not like that because that's not how competition works, except in P99 retarded raid scene.

git gud

[starkind]

competition was red1.0

it will be red2.0 with no stupid rules about training and no exploss from merbs so ppl can just get it out of their system and work it out

[loramin]

git gud

An eloquent summation of the entirety of the argument against rotations.

[Polixa]

git gud

Git

[Mblake1981]

I totally agree with Yendorlootmonkey in this thread.

All these crazies in favour of "competition". Competitively calling in sick from work or competitively dropping playtime with the family because a mob spawned. Competitively pissing in a bucket so they can keep competitively clicking a button for hours on end.

I want to play PvE and experience the content but the content is not available if I don't join the zerg brigade.

My classic experience was our guild would rally for Nagafen. Wipe, CR, wipe, CR and get it on the 3rd or 4th try (or go home).

Can't happen here. On this server the dragons are dead because Team 600Members logged in and killed them 2 minutes after spawning.

If this was how "competition" worked then real life sports would not have scheduled kick off times and your team would be 1-0 down from the kickoff because the other team got to the stadium before yours did.

But it's not like that because that's not how competition works, except in P99 retarded raid scene.

Three options that I see.

1. Maintain honor, destroy the top guilds and absorb their brain trust. Just like the USA did after WW2.

2. Complain on forums, join their guilds and keep your head tucked down in shame, content with your place as a 'Warm Body'.

3. Don't raid. Who cares about BIS unless its a personal goal to have it. It is not required for anything other than your personal sense of l33t. This game starts you with nothing. You can leave it with nothing much at all and still have had a good time.
Raiding, raid mentality is not EQ. Its part of EQ. Of course in later expansions that became the focus, EQ died in its sleep.

[JDAm0nk]

3. Don't raid. Who cares about BIS unless its a personal goal to have it. It is not required for anything other than your personal sense of l33t. This game starts you with nothing. You can leave it with nothing much at all and still have had a good time.
Raiding, raid mentality is not EQ. Its part of EQ. Of course in later expansions that became the focus, EQ died in its sleep.

I don't raid and yet I would still like to see a more casual server with rotations.

It's not just about raiding or even end-game content.

It's because the greedy, anti-social, competitive attitude of some has an influence on the whole server. It's why you see such ridiculous prices in Green's EC (people selling Conch Shell Horns for 2k is just one example). It's why the server is a ghost-land in many zones.

I'm still enjoying myself and avoiding the BS - but if there is another active server out there that is time-locked at Velious, has all classic zones, and doesn't allow boxing or RMT (although that is debatable here), please let me know...

[JDAm0nk]

I don't raid and yet I would still like to see a more casual server with rotations.

It's not just about raiding or even end-game content.

It's because the greedy, anti-social, competitive attitude of some has an influence on the whole server. It's why you see such ridiculous prices in Green's EC (people selling Conch Shell Horns for 2k is just one example). It's why the server is a ghost-land in many zones. It's why I often feel like I'm only playing with folks who also simultaneously play on Blue.

I'm still enjoying myself and avoiding the BS - but if there is another active server out there that is time-locked at Velious, has all classic zones, and doesn't allow boxing or RMT (although that is debatable here), please let me know...

[Allishia]

Rofl y'all are too funny getting upset like anything in rnf is going to change things...

They did have rotations on blue before velious. Class r / c / ffa. It worked well till people started making guilds with alts to add to the rotation to score extra slots...people will always try to abuse things.

I think a rotation like that would work long as they made tov like vp was back then. If you went to tov you became class C (competitive) and then had to compete instead of just waiting for your turn in line.

I forget exactly how it worked but for example one week would be CT in fear for class R..so whatever guild that was in line next got fear...then next week was class C, so competitive guilds could fight for those l, then next was ffa, meaning everyone could fight for them....then back to class R (next in line) /nod.

[myrddraal]

Rofl y'all are too funny getting upset like anything in rnf is going to change things...

They did have rotations on blue before velious. Class r / c / ffa. It worked well till people started making guilds with alts to add to the rotation to score extra slots...people will always try to abuse things.

I think a rotation like that would work long as they made tov like vp was back then. If you went to tov you became class C (competitive) and then had to compete instead of just waiting for your turn in line.

I forget exactly how it worked but for example one week would be CT in fear for class R..so whatever guild that was in line next got fear...then next week was class C, so competitive guilds could fight for those l, then next was ffa, meaning everyone could fight for them....then back to class R (next in line) /nod.

the solution is simple alli - everyone only gets one character!

[Fammaden]

the solution is simple alli - everyone only gets one character!

That would be badass if they could pull it off.

[Nexii]

That would be badass if they could pull it off.

P99 Black
1 account per IP
No account sharing
No legacy items
No MQ selling
Trackers can not COTH

[Allishia]

the solution is simple alli - everyone only gets one character!

That would be fun, I really only like playing my war anyway, if aa existed I would never play another toon :p

[Allishia]

Or make it where you can only pick one main to loot on and that's it, prices would go way down and I could finally get bis instead of competing with everyone's alts bahahaha :p

[Ripqozko]

Or make it where you can only pick one main to loot on and that's it, prices would go way down and I could finally get bis instead of competing with everyone's alts bahahaha :p

Please stick to war, we seen how ya pull on wizard, hope that helps.

[Allishia]

Please stick to war, we seen how ya pull on wizard, hope that helps.

Lmao yes I suck at pulling unless you want extra mobs :)

[RevSaber]

Perma death. Lets do that!

[Tunabros]

simple answer to Yendor loot monkey's concerns and woes:

git gud, scrub

[YendorLootmonkey]

No one has answered why it's so important and why there is so much vitriol being spewed at the mere suggestion that, next launch, we could potentially try a rotation server and a competitive server.

People like Tunabros and SantagarBrax could compete to their hearts' content on the competitive server. They could make it extra competitive by making in PVP. Then whatever bullshit SantagarBrax is spewing about EARNING MY LOOT GOTDAMMIT actually makes sense, because what better way to earn your loot than to fight other guilds for it instead of hiding behind petitions and finding loopholes in rules?

People like me and a few like-minded others in this thread could enjoy the rotation server. Whatever we loot there has absolutely no bearing on the competitive server. You are still free to lord your precious pixels over the others on the competitive server. You will literally never see me and my "low effort" pixels.

I thought one argument (however foolish) could be: "Well, if you can just log in with your friends, strategize, fight the raid target, and win loot at a scheduled time, without needing to answer a 3am batphone and gather together all of the players with the most free time to ensure you have an overwhelming raid force for every encounter, and play this like it's the fucking Olympics like I do, then that somehow makes all the dumb shit I'm doing over pixels seem like a huge waste of my life." But the same people are telling me to go play another server, or TAKP, or a TLP. So I get the same pixels for less effort on one of those servers. Same level of impact to you: zero. What difference does it make if it's on TAKP or if it's on one of the P99 servers that you are not playing on because you are against rotated content?

Is it because a hypothetical competitive and rotation server at next launch would share the same forums and you can't lord your pixels over me on the forums now? Of course not, because just like anyone posts any accomplishments now from the Blue server, the response is "no one cares about the beta server". So obviously the response would be "no one cares about the rotated server." So that can't be it either.

I read https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3362298&postcount=57 and it still does not make sense to me why that individual's decision to place way too much emphasis on spending his life to win pixels and dominate everyone else should impact me and others like me here on P99 who would like to be able to play the game without making it a 2nd job. The only people making it a 2nd job are try-hard players like SantagarBrax.

You're advocating for an optional server with rotated content...there's plenty of other servers out there with that exact feature in mind. Take your friends and go have fun?

Sure, show me one with no boxing and adhering to a strict timeline of patches and quality of life features like P99. You can't. Otherwise we would have already been there due to people like you ruining the raid scene for the rest of us. Better yet, how does going to one of those servers not cheapen the effort you've put in to obtain pixels here, yet somehow a rotation server here would cheapen your effort and therefore we are in no way allowed to have that absolutely ever because of "...reasons..."?

Do you have any idea how long some people have been wanting some items, or any items, for some of their other toons? Not to mention the BiS stuff from off of Vulak / Doze / etc for their main toons?? People have literally been waiting YEARS. And here you come along and want to shit on everyone else's time and sacrifices just so you and your friends can "have some fun".

Irrelevant. Having an optional rotation P99 server impacts you on your proposed competitive server in the exact same amount as if we ran off to one of those other servers you speak of.

Do you have any concept of the amount of bullshit raiders have had to wade through, across guilds and across server rule changes, just to get the opportunity for that one item they've been after for years?? How about how many times we've failed before we learned to succeed, over and over again? Can you imagine how many bites of the shit sandwich people take and continue to drive on like the consummate professionals they are, all the while dealing with differing personalities, politics, and all the social abstracts that come with being in a raiding guild? It can take one person up to 6 months of raiding to get just ONE bis item. There's people on this server that have been playing for 10 years and just recently gained full BiS. Constantly sacrificing some of their time and dealing with infinite bitching and moaning from you casuals about "whaaaa, we just want to enjoy the content too without any effort!" and all the while against the very nature of the game.

Irrelevant. You created that situation for yourselves by placing ridiculous amounts of importance on pixels on a 22-year old emulation of an elf-simulator (i.e. not even the real Everquest) to the point where you have to create an infrastructure to give you every advantage so there isn't even any competition at all. Even then, the existence of a proposed rotation server takes NONE OF THIS away from you over on your proposed competitive server.

Unless your fear is that your way of dictating what it takes to raid here would be over, because the competitive server would be a ghost town and that would mean that the same handful of 50 try-hard sociopaths have been dictating to the rest of us for the last 12 YEARS a game that perhaps 1200+ of us had no interest in playing at your level.

Or even more sinister, yet the only real reason I can think of that a grown-assed adult would fight tooth and nail to maintain a monopoly over pixels here for this long, for every incarnation of a PVE P99 server past and future, is that there is still some RMT network the GMs/devs have not undercovered yet, and this is literally your livelihood at stake -- in which case I can understand why under no circumstances must there never be a rotation server in your eyes.

Makes one think....

My point still stands... an optional rotation server being opened up at next launch does not impact you any more than if we listened to you and went to play on TAKP or some other non-P99 rotation server. Either way, you're still putting way more self-inflicted effort for pixels than we would be in either case.

Anyone else seeing that these arguments make no sense?

[Ripqozko]

Sorry you don't got, hope this helps.

Imagine someone actually reading that page of berging.

Autismspeaks.org

[Argh]

I think the Class-R/FAP rotation showed us that the oversight/upkeep of a rotation requires a similar amount of time as these UN elf lawyer channels do. The server would need some all-encompassing rules laid out for the rotation when it launches, and some devs to create some well thought-out in-game features made like /list for managing the rotation in game (or out of game with something similar to the old raid.php page).

It could absolutely not be left up to the players of the server to manage, and unless those rules and features for the server were incredibly prescient it would just turn into another timesink for the staff to practice their peer mediation, and just a different flavor of rule lawyering.

I certainly wouldn't care if some server like this was created, but it would take far more work than just setting up a new server and saying 'we're going to enforce a rotation here', and I wouldn't be too optimistic for it being some anti-competitive utopia.

[Boptop]

words

Get a grip.

[Tunabros]

yendor is a communist confirmed

[SantagarBrax]

Fuck off you Motherfucker You....

[Tunabros]

i love yendor's logic

yes, because making more servers will split the population more than it already is!

[Kiithsa]

The server would need some all-encompassing rules laid out for the rotation when it launches


The draft system seems to work pretty well. It IS GM enforced and it's something that has been tested and completed several times. This gives us at least a basic framework we could use for the casual server. There may be a need for additional rules but I am confident that those issues will be worked out in time.

Sure the class system wasn't perfect but I feel it was probably the best attempt so far at trying to get the hardcore and casual folks to exist on the same server together.

I'm not naive enough to think that we would implement something like this and get it 100% right on the 1st try. Something like this that hasn't been done on P99 I would fully expect to have some trial and error. That is bound to happen and whatever system gets put in place will grow and evolve over time.

[Kiithsa]

Take all the sheep out and you have are wolves. They're gonna eat each other once there are no sheep and the server will die.

I've heard casuals make this argument, that the hardcore folks don't want to actually compete if they can't win easily and tease casuals by waving pixels over their heads.

This is the first time I've actually seen an admission from the opposing side.

This explains what you're afraid of. You might be a "wolf" on this server, but you're not an alpha wolf. You're a beta wolf, and on a competitive server, you'd be a sheep.

[Cecily]

I've heard casuals make this argument, that the hardcore folks don't want to actually compete if they can't win easily and tease casuals by waving pixels over their heads.

This is the first time I've actually seen an admission from the opposing side.

This explains what you're afraid of. You might be a "wolf" on this server, but you're not an alpha wolf. You're a beta wolf, and on a competitive server, you'd be a sheep.
*barks*

[starkind]

cecily ur an alphawolf u should

AwwhoooooO!!!!!

[mycoolrausch]

If there was no effort for the loot why would anyone play or value it? The value is there because not everyone can get it..

They have tons of pay to win / instanced servers for casual people /nod.

I worked hard for stuff I got and I love that and feel I earned it, tracking, leveling bots, etc to get ahead.

Just letting everyone have the same thing with no effort seems dumb and devalues it all. Let's give everyone a trophy so then it all means nothing..cause we can't have people who win, it might offend someone! :p

The effort required to app to a raid guild, and waiting around until you have enough dkp to bid on something that dropped off a mob someone else FTEd, is no greater than the effort to be in your own guild and wait around for your rotated mob. It's the same rotation. It's just who is in charge and who you're doing it with.

[Ennewi]

Sorry you don't got, hope this helps.

Imagine someone actually reading that page of berging.

Autismspeaks.org

https://psychcentral.com/adhd/adhd-and-reading#impact-of-adhd-on-reading

[Allishia]

The effort required to app to a raid guild, and waiting around until you have enough dkp to bid on something that dropped off a mob someone else FTEd, is no greater than the effort to be in your own guild and wait around for your rotated mob. It's the same rotation. It's just who is in charge and who you're doing it with.

I don't think you understand the effort raid guilds put in. It is not comparable to a rotation at all.

But I guess you talking about warm bodies who don't actually do anything but show up for dkp...you get what you put in even inside the guild. People who track and fte have triple the dkp of people who just show up../nod

[Ooloo]

I'm actually pretty persuaded by that giant post Santagar made. I've never been in a top raiding guild since p99's inception, and I've had the same nasty attitude toward them, but the things he laid out in that post really do kinda make sense.

Who is anyone to decide another group of players cares about the game too much? We obviously all do, or we wouldn't be playing it. If a top guild are dicks to others and train them and break normal rules, sure, but there's really no good argument to them "monopolizing" end game content than to just step up and do it yourself. There's a ton of other content in the game. I log in and enjoy the game basically every day and like I said, I've never been in a top tier guild here. I have a couple level 60s, and leveling them was fun as shit. I'm not sure how the big guilds "ruin" the game for others? Getting warder loot due to a forced rotation would surely be much less satisfying. All jokes about ignoring your family aside, they *did* put the work in. It's silly to joke about when we are all here playing the same game. "Lol you play a 22 year old elf sim?!? Well..... so do I..."

One problem I see though is that, like when green first launched, ST got out ahead of the pack rapidly, even though everyone started on the same page. When a guild does that, they kind of snowball and make it nearly impossible for anyone else to catch up. If they never break up outright, whoever is the first top guild will pretty much always be, because they are gearing up faster than anyone else, which exponentially widens the gap between them and other guilds.

But that is the nature of the game, and it really doesn't bother me personally.

[Ennewi]

Who is anyone to decide another group of players cares about the game too much?

Care wouldn't be the word I would use here. Pretty sure platlord and company couldn't care less. Invested might be the better word for it, financially or emotionally.

It's silly to joke about when we are all here playing the same game. "Lol you play a 22 year old elf sim?!? Well..... so do I..."

Lance Armstrong and the average person with a 10-speed are taking part in the same activity but the two aren't anywhere close to being in the same category. Armstrong didn't care about the sport enough, because the prize and recognition mattered more, which ruined it for others.

MMOs are more like worlds than other types of games. The problem with this is, people still think of themselves as players and the world as a game first and foremost, even though SOE told everyone from the start, "You're in our world now." A game has winners and losers, and it can be beaten. Those who woke the sleeper didn't beat the game. Those who were declared Best of the Best didn't beat the game. Whoever gets the next FTE on KT and Statue won't beat the game either. The world goes on as it has and your achievements, while meaningful together, are individually nothing by comparison. Maybe Ooloo has beaten the game, simply by not trying to at all.

[Ravager]

1 account. 2 character slots. You get a main and an alt. Ban account sharing. Ban multiple accounts. It's easy enough to identify anyone by looking at their config files, so it is very doable and enforceable. This would make it closer to classic and harder for the people who "earn it" from monopolizing content. This would make things more equitable, but it won't happen. So who gives a fuck. Enjoy what you can here, then quit when it isn't fun, like any sane person would do.

[Swish]

1 account. 2 character slots. You get a main and an alt. Ban account sharing. Ban multiple accounts. It's easy enough to identify anyone by looking at their config files, so it is very doable and enforceable. This would make it closer to classic and harder for the people who "earn it" from monopolizing content. This would make things more equitable, but it won't happen. So who gives a fuck. Enjoy what you can here, then quit when it isn't fun, like any sane person would do.

not classic, thanks for playing RNF.

[Tunabros]

rotations are boring and cringe

[myrddraal]

I've heard casuals make this argument, that the hardcore folks don't want to actually compete if they can't win easily and tease casuals by waving pixels over their heads.

This is the first time I've actually seen an admission from the opposing side.

This explains what you're afraid of. You might be a "wolf" on this server, but you're not an alpha wolf. You're a beta wolf, and on a competitive server, you'd be a sheep.

its literally what happened to shadowbane. There wasnt content for the sheep, the wolves drove them off the servers, didnt get enough funding, shadowbane went under.

[Ravager]

not classic, thanks for playing RNF.

Never said it was.

[BlackBellamy]

Any thoughts would be very helpful. I'm fresh out.

Eliminate all dropped items. I'm sure the vendors have weapons and armor.

[Ravager]

Eliminate all dropped items. I'm sure the vendors have weapons and armor.

The neckbeards would find some way to trivialize that and then grief others too.

[Kohedron]

Don't like it?

Log off.

[Toxigen]

asherons call already did it best

http://web.stanford.edu/group/htgg/cgi-bin/drupal/sites/default/files2/vzhulin_2003_1.pdf

[Tunabros]

asherons call already did it best

http://web.stanford.edu/group/htgg/cgi-bin/drupal/sites/default/files2/vzhulin_2003_1.pdf

I was so cracked at AC pvp

strafequest 4 life!

[Toxigen]

I was so cracked at AC pvp

strafequest 4 life!

i played a mage on darktide...lots of different keyboard inputs to create different cast animation breaks / timings

[starkind]

PvP enabled in raid zones

Plzrelax best poster lewl.

[Slonekb05]

instance raid zones, done. But again not classic so.. there’s that

[unsunghero]

its literally what happened to shadowbane. There wasnt content for the sheep, the wolves drove them off the servers, didnt get enough funding, shadowbane went under.

God I loved Shadowbane though

Fire Templar all the way

[Tunabros]

when yendor monkey coming back

i love to hear him bitch

[doeda]

instance raid zones, done. But again not classic so.. there’s that

95% of the raid rules aren't classic there's also that.

[quido]

I like how (daft) people like Yendor are still clinging to some vision of a majority casual playground for P99's latest PVE box. Don't you think the staff would have made this happen by now 12 years later if that's what they wanted? They throw you a few bones to keep the more capable among you interested, but the server is still almost fully competition oriented. The staff set the climate - not the players.

[Ravager]

I like how (daft) people like Yendor are still clinging to some vision of a majority casual playground for P99's latest PVE box. Don't you think the staff would have made this happen by now 12 years later if that's what they wanted? They throw you a few bones to keep the more capable among you interested, but the server is still almost fully competition oriented. The staff set the climate - not the players.

LOL "competition oriented". Throwing elbows at the buffet line so you can get all the prime rib for yourself, and then crying foul to management when an elbow hits you in the face isn't competition. I don't give a shit about raiding here or how it's done, but it's most definitely not competition. You moran.

[fable_kid]

No one has answered why it's so important and why there is so much vitriol being spewed at the mere suggestion that, next launch, we could potentially try a rotation server and a competitive server.

People like Tunabros and SantagarBrax could compete to their hearts' content on the competitive server. They could make it extra competitive by making in PVP. Then whatever bullshit SantagarBrax is spewing about EARNING MY LOOT GOTDAMMIT actually makes sense, because what better way to earn your loot than to fight other guilds for it instead of hiding behind petitions and finding loopholes in rules?

People like me and a few like-minded others in this thread could enjoy the rotation server. Whatever we loot there has absolutely no bearing on the competitive server. You are still free to lord your precious pixels over the others on the competitive server. You will literally never see me and my "low effort" pixels.

I thought one argument (however foolish) could be: "Well, if you can just log in with your friends, strategize, fight the raid target, and win loot at a scheduled time, without needing to answer a 3am batphone and gather together all of the players with the most free time to ensure you have an overwhelming raid force for every encounter, and play this like it's the fucking Olympics like I do, then that somehow makes all the dumb shit I'm doing over pixels seem like a huge waste of my life." But the same people are telling me to go play another server, or TAKP, or a TLP. So I get the same pixels for less effort on one of those servers. Same level of impact to you: zero. What difference does it make if it's on TAKP or if it's on one of the P99 servers that you are not playing on because you are against rotated content?

Is it because a hypothetical competitive and rotation server at next launch would share the same forums and you can't lord your pixels over me on the forums now? Of course not, because just like anyone posts any accomplishments now from the Blue server, the response is "no one cares about the beta server". So obviously the response would be "no one cares about the rotated server." So that can't be it either.

I read https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3362298&postcount=57 and it still does not make sense to me why that individual's decision to place way too much emphasis on spending his life to win pixels and dominate everyone else should impact me and others like me here on P99 who would like to be able to play the game without making it a 2nd job. The only people making it a 2nd job are try-hard players like SantagarBrax.



Sure, show me one with no boxing and adhering to a strict timeline of patches and quality of life features like P99. You can't. Otherwise we would have already been there due to people like you ruining the raid scene for the rest of us. Better yet, how does going to one of those servers not cheapen the effort you've put in to obtain pixels here, yet somehow a rotation server here would cheapen your effort and therefore we are in no way allowed to have that absolutely ever because of "...reasons..."?



Irrelevant. Having an optional rotation P99 server impacts you on your proposed competitive server in the exact same amount as if we ran off to one of those other servers you speak of.



Irrelevant. You created that situation for yourselves by placing ridiculous amounts of importance on pixels on a 22-year old emulation of an elf-simulator (i.e. not even the real Everquest) to the point where you have to create an infrastructure to give you every advantage so there isn't even any competition at all. Even then, the existence of a proposed rotation server takes NONE OF THIS away from you over on your proposed competitive server.

Unless your fear is that your way of dictating what it takes to raid here would be over, because the competitive server would be a ghost town and that would mean that the same handful of 50 try-hard sociopaths have been dictating to the rest of us for the last 12 YEARS a game that perhaps 1200+ of us had no interest in playing at your level.

Or even more sinister, yet the only real reason I can think of that a grown-assed adult would fight tooth and nail to maintain a monopoly over pixels here for this long, for every incarnation of a PVE P99 server past and future, is that there is still some RMT network the GMs/devs have not undercovered yet, and this is literally your livelihood at stake -- in which case I can understand why under no circumstances must there never be a rotation server in your eyes.

Makes one think....

My point still stands... an optional rotation server being opened up at next launch does not impact you any more than if we listened to you and went to play on TAKP or some other non-P99 rotation server. Either way, you're still putting way more self-inflicted effort for pixels than we would be in either case.

Anyone else seeing that these arguments make no sense?

yikes

[YendorLootmonkey]

I like how (daft) people like Yendor are still clinging to some vision of a majority casual playground for P99's latest PVE box. Don't you think the staff would have made this happen by now 12 years later if that's what they wanted? They throw you a few bones to keep the more capable among you interested, but the server is still almost fully competition oriented. The staff set the climate - not the players.

I like how I keep getting attacked like people's rent money is on the line somehow the second I even propose a purely hypothetical rotation server.

[Muggens]

Isnt it entitled and crybaby'ish to continously cry for personalized catered servers/and or rotations etc, on a free to play private server?
Me, I enjoy my time here, its why I still play and I consider myself casual, some fine servers they got here thats for sure!
Oh and casually playing classic EQ isnt really real, as you wouldnt even reach lvl 60

[Strifer]

I think they should add luclin to give players more raid targets as well as let other guilds have shots at the current raid targets. Also Rap battles for FTE should be standard, as it would bring the community together.

Along with these features, lets have some more goddamn BotB competitions. They're really cool, and would help show how good people really are, taking away the endless camping, exploiting and lawyerquesting.

On that note! Let's have raid disputes streamed over twitch ala Judge Joe Brown. It would bring the community together as well as help show transparency in the processes the staff take for sentencing raid SUSpensions. I'd absolutely watch it.

ooooh and seasonal p99, 3 year seasons which afterwards shits wiped clean. if your magelo is BiS by the end u get a little gold star next to your name for the next season.

p99 is now just as old as the timeframe between eq launching and p99 launching. lets get some shit going, itll be the next forknight.

all super doable. make it happen

[Tunabros]

I like how I keep getting attacked like people's rent money is on the line somehow the second I even propose a purely hypothetical rotation server.

if the staff knew people wanted it, they would have implemented it

your so entitled, my god you are

You think volunteer staff want to go through and regulate rotations for a bunch of

casuals who don't know jack shit about raiding? Want to raid? Join a raiding guild.

That simple. No one is asking you to sock for 16 hours or wake up to 3 am batphones

that's on you

[Arvan]

If there was no effort for the loot why would anyone play or value it? The value is there because not everyone can get it..

They have tons of pay to win / instanced servers for casual people /nod.

I worked hard for stuff I got and I love that and feel I earned it, tracking, leveling bots, etc to get ahead.

Just letting everyone have the same thing with no effort seems dumb and devalues it all. Let's give everyone a trophy so then it all means nothing..cause we can't have people who win, it might offend someone! :p


What if a group of guildmates and friends who have never done end game classic(ish rofl) velious before in their lives wanted to raid but had wives and jobs and lives… they cant do it on blue or green but if there was a rotated server they could do it and it would also be challenging and rewarding since they have never done it before. And the people who have no real life could play on the competitive server every day. I think its a real good idea whoever came up with this.

[MaCtastic]

Yendor is right.

[Tunabros]

you guys aren't getting it

what's the point of playing on the competitive server if there's a rotation server

DO YOU really think that the GMs want to regulate rotations between like 10 guilds

who all want in on a rotation? people asking for rotations are the same people who don't

even raid. How do we know they can kill these mobs? what if they can't kill it? does

someone get extra mobs? will people get mad over unfair rotations? what if a guild can't

get enough people online to kill a mob in their slot? just leave the mob up?

rotations based server isn't going to work without getting rid of a competitive server

no way it will happen

nilbog and rogean are very very anti rotations

keep dreaming like the red losers

want to raid? join a raiding guild. that simple

[Boptop]

you guys aren't getting it

what's the point of playing on the competitive server if there's a rotation server

DO YOU really think that the GMs want to regulate rotations between like 10 guilds

who all want in on a rotation? people asking for rotations are the same people who don't

even raid. How do we know they can kill these mobs? what if they can't kill it? does

someone get extra mobs? will people get mad over unfair rotations? what if a guild can't

get enough people online to kill a mob in their slot? just leave the mob up?

rotations based server isn't going to work without getting rid of a competitive server

no way it will happen

nilbog and rogean are very very anti rotations

keep dreaming like the red losers

want to raid? join a raiding guild. that simple

Terrible structure

[Maiten]

Rotations will encourage other guilds grow so they can compete. Use it as a building exercise then remove it!

If a guild cannot kill their target, then teleport it to a random zone and let the server figure it out.

Bonus points if the zone is a populated starting zone so the new players can have something to write home about.

[xdrcfrx]

the answer to yendor's question is that if there was a choice between a competitive server, and a rotated server, too many of the warmbodies in the top guilds would just go enjoy playing laid back EQ on the casual server, and the competitive (lol) guilds would lose their power to dictate how and when people get to slay imaginary pixel dragons with their pixel elf friends.

[Ripqozko]

the answer to yendor's question is that if there was a choice between a competitive server, and a rotated server, too many of the warmbodies in the top guilds would just go enjoy playing laid back EQ on the casual server, and the competitive (lol) guilds would lose their power to dictate how and when people get to slay imaginary pixel dragons with their pixel elf friends.

Competition made sense when there was server firsts, we are 6 years passed anything meaningful. Rotations make sense now, the only reason people still say "competition" is because they werent there when it mattered. Hope that helps.

[xdrcfrx]

Competition made sense when there was server firsts, we are 6 years passed anything meaningful. Rotations make sense now, the only reason people still say "competition" is because they werent there when it mattered. Hope that helps.

wait, why you helpin' me? I'm in favor of the rotated server lol.

competing is fun, I won't deny that. nice to have the option, imo.

[Ripqozko]

wait, why you helpin' me? I'm in favor of the rotated server lol.

competing is fun, I won't deny that. nice to have the option, imo.

Yea i can read, im adding on to what you said. Theres no need for an option, green was the option and lot didnt take it. Yellow will be the next. Blue should be rotated.

[Whale biologist]

Yendor is right.

[Tunabros]

who the hell would want to compete on a competitive server when everyone is on the

rotations server?

lol

[Polixa]

Sounds like most people in this thread agree a rotation server would be more popular than a "competitive" server.

I'm sure many of us would even pay a sub for instanced or rotated guild content in P99, but I doubt we will ever see it.

[Tunabros]

rogean too busy on aradune to care about p99 anymore

[Chortles Snortles]

reported for staff bashing
enjoy ur ban

[unsunghero]

Sounds like most people in this thread agree a rotation server would be more popular than a "competitive" server.

I'm sure many of us would even pay a sub for instanced or rotated guild content in P99, but I doubt we will ever see it.

Pretty sure that is where Daybreak would draw the line though

[Whale biologist]

Pretty sure that is where Daybreak would draw the line though

Not even because they want to or not, they have to because if you don't enforce your IP rights you lose them.

[Chortles Snortles]

you are very smart

[Whale biologist]

you are very smart

No u :)

[Babittle]

Make a Commie server

[Ravager]

There's too many guilds for rotations to work. The problem is not enough servers. More servers is a very classic solution.

But if you really want rotations, you gotta find a way to force them. Make raiding so miserable for the "competitive" guilds that they let you in. That's the only time rotations ever happened on these servers aside from C/F/R.

[Tunabros]

anyone can join a competitive guild

even if your a warm body, just keep up with requirements and RA

you can see every dragon in game

that simple

[Ennewi]

Infiltrate and sow chaos from within. This is the only solution.