Why is Green EC such a crap market?

[kaev]

In comparison to Blue same era (3 months into Velious) the selection of items on offer is very thin and the price of most anything that would be beyond the means of a brand new level 24 Dial-a-Porter is absurdly high.

[Tunabros]

because people want to pay blue prices for items on green

and half the player base came from live where krono farming and RMT runs rampant

[Jimjam]

3 mo into velious on blue was also like 10 years in to kunark. Green is not 10 years in to Kunark.

[JDAm0nk]

Anti-social competitiveness run rampant... basically?

I'm glad that Activa was banned for RMTing, but let's be honest - is anyone surprised?

I'd be willing to bet that all the top guilds on Green have people engaged in RMT.

It only makes sense. I love Classic EQ and I'm thankful to have experienced it again via P99, but playing on Green has felt like investing in a pyramid scheme. People have to justify all the hours they have invested in the server and game.

How? Achieving max profit seems to be the rule.

The economy has felt ridiculous and artificial on Green for its entire lifespan. This isn't because "it's ClAsSiC."

[Seducio]

Jimjam has it.

The extended period of Kunark in Blue radically altered the supply of items on Blue prior to Velious.

Blue taught me that a longer than normal Kunark can be a good thing even if Blue was in Kunark perhaps a bit too long.

[Ooloo]

I do think Kunark should last longer, there's so much content. Maybe more than 1 guild could get into VP. It's like, 8 months in total? Definitely should be longer.

Next green server should be 1 year vanilla, 1.2 years kunark, then velious imo.

[galach]

Everyone avoiding KC, Seb, Velks and other zones as well.

[Blingy]

Here's a fantastical new concept.....go farm the stuff you think is overpriced; flood the market and suddenly the price of your overfarmed item will drop. Now do that with everything in game and voila, problem solved.

[Danth]

In comparison to Blue same era (3 months into Velious)

Kaev was around when Velious was new on Blue. Folks saying "They've had Velious for years!" apparently aren't even reading his post. Jimjam might be onto something though, if not for this:

Green's economy seemed odd from the get-go. Everyone was always looking to price gouge on almost anything. I suppose over time it became part of the culture of the server.

Danth

[Seducio]

Here are a couple resources that can make EC easier for some.

https://unixgeek.com/last-week-P1999Green.html

https://www.twitch.tv/p99ecauctions

[Man0warr]

Blue also had a ton of plat inflation from un-Classic Seafuries for like 5 years, and sneak pulling driving down the price of things like Fungi Tunic.

But yea, there is a severe lack of the high end group items from Kunark on Green because of the ZEM changes and how long Kunark was the current expansion.

[Tunabros]

and remember blue had kunark for like 4 years

so a lot of items weren't farmed to autistic levels

[Tethler]

Another contributing factor is the number of players. When blue was the only non-pvp server option, the player count was like 2000 daily in early Velious on blue. Now with the pop split, the number of buyers and sellers is also split so EC feels a lot more dead. Less people selling = less item variety.

People have also refined their farming strategies and don't waste time farming stuff that doesn't sell, so a lot of those low range staple items are almost impossible to find for sale.

[cd288]

Another contributing factor is the number of players. When blue was the only non-pvp server option, the player count was like 2000 daily in early Velious on blue. Now with the pop split, the number of buyers and sellers is also split so EC feels a lot more dead. Less people selling = less item variety.

People have also refined their farming strategies and don't waste time farming stuff that doesn't sell, so a lot of those low range staple items are almost impossible to find for sale.

Yeah when there was only one server I feel like people were a lot more willing to put in the time to sell those lower end items that only sell for like 100-200 pp or so. Nowadays people either just bank them and never end up selling them or they pass on looting them altogether. It's crazy...I've never seen so many passes on loot in Blue XP groups as I have in the past couple of months.

[Ananka]

Just as an example, I bought a CoS prenerf on Blue for 1200pp because Kunark was out for so long a time. Having said that, the Green server prices have been way more expensive then on Live servers at a similar spot in the timeline. So I see both sides to the argument.

[Lightbringer55]

Just as an example, I bought a CoS prenerf on Blue for 1200pp because Kunark was out for so long a time. Having said that, the Green server prices have been way more expensive then on Live servers at a similar spot in the timeline. So I see both sides to the argument.
Prior to the nerf on blue those circles were reasonable in price. I remember 500p-2k. Then the nerf happened on blue and the price shot up to 10k. From day 1 on green they went for 10k and we're pretty much perma-farmed. In this specific situation is was a combination of people insisting that those on green pay blue prices as well as the knowledge of knowing that they will be nerfed and exactly when they'll be nerfed that created that price on green.

Many other items are just simply supply. The hole being the only place many leveled led to the loss of many other places that were typical classic zones for leveling and the loss of the supply of the loot from those zones. Sebilis is the best example. Even into Luclin it was heavily used as an XP zone on live. It's a ghost town here.

So it's not so much people "avoiding" zones, it's that the incentive to level elsewhere was higher to speed up the leveling process due to a crazy ZEM and the fact that you only have to go LFG in one zone rather than running to 3 different ones (which as a melee can eat up an hour of your night just going zone to zone shooting lfg). Unfortunately we have cheap loam gear all over the server but Kunark class set pieces going for 5k+.