Should there really be a red 2.0? The age old question

[Tunabros]

Blue: Filled with raid drama + vulak DKP farmers
Green: "it's alright" (send quake pls)
Red: Drug users + boxers

Here's the problem: people won't stop being cringe and asking for red 2.0!

Why red is fine by itself

-People are still playing on it
-Peak 50 population (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jmr3qUkC62Q/hqdefault.jpg)
-No actual reason to delete it

Why do people not want to play it?

-It's filled with drug users
-No one wants to get ganked by 4 (one of them is a boxed cleric) overweight middle-age men and get yellowtexted to the whole server
-"low population"

Remember when red was fun?

-200-300 peak population
-Empire + Ragnorok days??
-People actually pvp with honor? (mostly)

Solution to "Red 2.0":

1. Delete red entirely and tell them to piss off to rise of zek
2. Do nothing and let them complain on forums for all eternity

Devs are based

Thanks for reading

[Swish]

Yes.

[Swish]

Blue: Filled with raid drama + vulak DKP farmers
Green: "it's alright" (send quake pls)
Red: Drug users + boxers

Here's the problem: people won't stop being cringe and asking for red 2.0!

Why red is fine by itself

-People are still playing on it
-Peak 50 population (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jmr3qUkC62Q/hqdefault.jpg)
-No actual reason to delete it

Why do people not want to play it?

-It's filled with drug users
-No one wants to get ganked by 4 (one of them is a boxed cleric) overweight middle-age men and get yellowtexted to the whole server
-"low population"

Remember when red was fun?

-200-300 peak population
-Empire + Ragnorok days??
-People actually pvp with honor? (mostly)

Solution to "Red 2.0":

1. Delete red entirely and tell them to piss off to rise of zek
2. Do nothing and let them complain on forums for all eternity

Devs are based

Thanks for reading

If you actually want the discussion, there was staff interference when it started to get popular (300+ nightly). They took the XP bonus away and made it standard blue rate, sent the pop back down to 80-90. Intentional or not, there was something building there.

Red was never allowed to thrive.

[starkind]

why not tho that is the important question

no reason i can list

[Jimjam]

New servers = good servers.

[hannahgrams]

item loot or don't bother

[AenorVZ]

Super cringe to "ask for" something the devs have already stated their intention to launch.

[wuanahto]

Red was just the test server for blues patches. no reason to have a second test server.
it got Kunark first for a few days, bugs were found and fixed before blues launch
same for velious

[Tunabros]

hopefully people like pink orange or whatever the fuck his name is can

finally shut up about "red 2.0"

[Bardp1999]

I would play Red 2.0 but would likely be griefed off the server like the other 90% of the population would be.

[pink grapefruit]

Yes, we absolutely need a red 2.0.

[Whale biologist]

Red was fun when it had an exp bonus

[battins]

Red is daunting to start on because of the raid geared characters. I'd like to see a rolling red server that threw all characters into blue or green and relaunched every 2-3 months tbh. I think starting the server in any era or with only classic or with time-gated expansions at 2-4 weeks would be fine.

But the gear is sort of a deal breaker for me. Stats on items simply mudflate too fast because expansion gear has to improve on previous raid gear. A short window would prevent anyone from becoming totally geared, and if they managed it they would only have a temporary advantage.

Remember when you could join the game as a monster in a random zone 1-10 zone for a couple weeks in live EQ? Don't you wish you could be a spider in Velks wiping group after group? -- consider it!

[myrddraal]

if the current people on red all want red 2.0, just wipe the server.

[Tunabros]

Really no need for new red

just need to find a way for people to come play the perfectly fine red server we already

have

just stop being dumbasses on the forum and scaring people on how bad red is

hope this helps

[Swish]

if the current people on red all want red 2.0, just wipe the server.

Teal isn't being used for anything, keep red as the museum piece and make the new red server thrive today.

[Tunabros]

Red was fun when it had an exp bonus

did they actually remove it

I thought people were lying about bonus exp to attract people :mad:

[derpcake2]

did they actually remove it

I thought people were lying about bonus exp to attract people :mad:

They put it back a good while in after population numbers had crashed.

There were a lot of actions from staff that could have been done better, or simply shouldn't have happened.

When you have 2 competing guilds on the server, and one of them has a name that is perceived as racist, why not change that guilds name instead of disbanding the guild?

When population is at an all time low, is it the time to apply an unseen form of censorship to global ooc, instead of addressing severe infractions?

Sirken doing back to back GM events and awarding the same player in each event was solid also.

In a way its amazing that some players did stick around as long as they did.

On the other hand, some players, an extreme minority, fucked up the server as much as they could and kept getting away with it. One of these nerds would pull quest mobs under the world, and you'd need to get lucky for a GM to reset the mob within a few days. Boxing was also rampant with these players.

Sad stuff.

[Comoc1]

There shouldn’t have been a Red 1.0.

Just sayin

[A Knight]

I don't care too much. People on red could just roll a new account and force themselves to not use any gear from another account. They might have already tried that though, or its hard to mentally do. I think it would be cool to have a new red server, I might still have more current time on this red server though. It might attract more people. Plus, if there is a new server, its another server I can be a hermit and crawl in a corner and build a spider web. (Non-pk.)

[unsunghero]

I would play Red 2.0 but would likely be griefed off the server like the other 90% of the population would be.

^

[Zuranthium]

I would play Red 2.0 but would likely be griefed off the server like the other 90% of the population would be.

How exactly do you think you'd be griefed off the server?

[unsunghero]

How exactly do you think you'd be griefed off the server?

I'm a casual scrub so, here's how it goes down:

step 1: get outleveled

step 2: get farmed by higher levels assisting lower levels (don't say this won't happen, it was constant when I was playing on Sullon Zek. I remember the number 1 ranked neutral player on the leaderboards was a level 30-something druid who rolled with a gank squad that would incapacitate high and mid levels so he could kill them)

step 3: get farmed more

step 4: get farmed more

step 5: bail

[Topgunben]

I just think there are too many issues with Classic Everquest to make PVP viable for the average quester.

That being said, I think the EXP bonus has always been a good idea, and its sad that a GM took it away when the server was starting to expand.

Lastly, red lacks the critical mass of players required to attract more players. I think for any server to attract people to come and play, it needs to be a bare minimum of 200. Given that this is a classic server with no travel books or fast travel, the server probably needs to be closer to 300 for it to be engaging.

[starkind]

exp bonus was a double edged sword

server shouldn't launch with exp bonus but should get one at end of life or once it's top heavy after like 3 months or 6 months or w/e it is the wierdos swing

i don't have the time to lvl to 60 it just encourages people to bot, box, pay for lvls and loot once it becomes a year long quest to casually level

should take 3 weekends at most rly

and then no one is low lvl anymore and the nostalgia of fighting lower lvl players with bad gear in bad gear is gone

[Jimjam]

Server needs to have time locked level caps so we can really get value out of early level content. Release weekend cap at 5, first week 11, fortnight 17, etc with 39 being the cap after 6 months.

[Swish]

Release weekend cap at 5

Rusty scythe duels wud b gud

[Baler]

@Swish do you back @Tunabros?

[Baler]

i'm coming for that 18k don't think you're touchless.

[Rang]

lot of bad blood btwn devs and old red community bc their smugness and entitlement. doubt there will ever be any new p99 pvp servers bc of that bad blood. wOn ThE bOx btw

[Jimjam]

lot of bad blood btwn devs and old red community bc their smugness and entitlement. doubt there will ever be any new p99 pvp servers bc of that bad blood. wOn ThE bOx btw

If I understand your humour right it sounds like they won nothing, just lost the red 2 box.

[pink grapefruit]

Someone in a thread here made a comment about a teams roleplaying server, and that got me thinking. What would a pvp server with roleplay encouraged be like?

I've always felt that pvp was a necessary element for any true roleplay server, and I had a lot of fun RPing back on VZ.

[Ravager]

There's a reason nobody plays red and lotsa people still play blue. If you want classic PvP go play Unreal Tournament.

[Mblake1981]

If you want classic PvP go play Unreal Tournament.

vibes

ViGSHVGpjkw

XRF06DpQE0c

[starkind]

Unreal had Lilith in it :D

https://unreal.fandom.com/wiki/Lilith

[pink grapefruit]

I prefer games with elves and magic :P

[starkind]

Well. Lilith is technically undead.

Deus Ex is unreal engine and has nanoswords. Could easily mod in shields, teleports, fireballs, dispells, invisibility. Dots. Heals.

[unsunghero]

I remember playing the hell outta Unreal Tournament in computer class in high school on the LAN vs my class

Our regular teacher eventually got savvy to it but substitutes never were. I remember we convinced one that it was a game we developed ourselves as a class project. He was an old dude very unfamiliar with computers who said “wow you guys did a good job, you could sell this” :)

[JurisDictum]

Red only makes sense in a TLP environment where the new populaton can:

1) Use DLCs to get their raid gear

2) join a server that isn't so far ahead of them that they can actually catch up and have a job at the same time.

TLP PvP may get you a few hardcores looking for a more technically accurate classic PvP. But there just isn't a big enough population to keep a Red any bigger than the current one.

Meanwhile, EQ PvP was tested for popularity with making the Zek server free. It didn't show the kind of popularity they are looking for. I don't necessarily think it was conclusive. But it will be hard to get DarkPaw to try it without some kind of evidence it could be good business.

[Fammaden]

Red is perfect the way it is. Just like classic it only has a fraction of the playerbase interested, because PVP sucks and is full of assholes. The difference here is we have a much smaller overall playerbase to draw from.

[pink grapefruit]

Red only makes sense in a TLP environment where the new populaton can:

1) Use DLCs to get their raid gear

2) join a server that isn't so far ahead of them that they can actually catch up and have a job at the same time.

TLP PvP may get you a few hardcores looking for a more technically accurate classic PvP. But there just isn't a big enough population to keep a Red any bigger than the current one.

Meanwhile, EQ PvP was tested for popularity with making the Zek server free. It didn't show the kind of popularity they are looking for. I don't necessarily think it was conclusive. But it will be hard to get DarkPaw to try it without some kind of evidence it could be good business.

uh...

as more expansion came in EQ, PvP got worse and worse. by the time the Zek merge happened the devs had effectively killed what made eq pvp fun and interesting.

the luclin expansion introduced the first zones where pvp was disabled: the nexus and the bazaar. it got worse with pop including the books and plane of tranquility. pvp would happen near the zone outs, and people would just click back to the lame pvp "safe zones". then instancing became a thing. then they removed the corpse runs from pvp deaths and made us all spawn in some bullshit graveyard zone when we died in pvp.

luclin was the beginning of the end for eq pvp. why would anyone ever play a pvp live progression server, when it would quickly advance to a point in the game's history where pvp is effectively coded out of the game?

no. project 1999 is our best hope for a chance at experiencing eq pvp as it was. and the devs here have told us that a second pvp server is coming, so it's really just a matter of time before red 2.0 (or purple, or w/e) is released.

[Baler]

I would not be upset if the timeline stopped at kunark.

[Tunabros]

That's what Ive been saying

RED IS FINE BY ITSELF

just retards like the pink apple person think that it's dead?!

JUST PLAY ON IT

HOLY SHIT!

[pink grapefruit]

That's what Ive been saying

RED IS FINE BY ITSELF

just retards like the pink apple person think that it's dead?!

JUST PLAY ON IT

HOLY SHIT!

what would be ideal is a green-style pvp server. if the server reset back to day one after the sleeper was woken there would be a healthy population on red all the time.

i vote we wipe red and start that up tbh.

[Arvan]

a new red would be good just to get some of the worst people off of blue and green as a sort of labor camp or something other than that who cares

[Tunabros]

what would be ideal is a green-style pvp server. if the server reset back to day one after the sleeper was woken there would be a healthy population on red all the time.

i vote we wipe red and start that up tbh.

think your part of the problem in why people think red is dead

hope this helps, pink apple

[Fammaden]

If red was just not red then people would play on it!

Solid PvP moron logic.

[Jibartik]

pink apple person

NfuiB52K7X8

[pink grapefruit]

https://i.imgur.com/Dk6cyAd.jpg

when i made my account i wasn't sure what to call it and there was some of this stuff on my desk.

[Fammaden]

I'm sure when you have fifty fucking forum alt accounts it starts to get tedious coming up with names, yes.

[JurisDictum]

uh...

as more expansion came in EQ, PvP got worse and worse. by the time the Zek merge happened the devs had effectively killed what made eq pvp fun and interesting.

the luclin expansion introduced the first zones where pvp was disabled: the nexus and the bazaar. it got worse with pop including the books and plane of tranquility. pvp would happen near the zone outs, and people would just click back to the lame pvp "safe zones". then instancing became a thing. then they removed the corpse runs from pvp deaths and made us all spawn in some bullshit graveyard zone when we died in pvp.

luclin was the beginning of the end for eq pvp. why would anyone ever play a pvp live progression server, when it would quickly advance to a point in the game's history where pvp is effectively coded out of the game?

no. project 1999 is our best hope for a chance at experiencing eq pvp as it was. and the devs here have told us that a second pvp server is coming, so it's really just a matter of time before red 2.0 (or purple, or w/e) is released.

There is a whole lot of subjectivity in there. Not everyone agrees that EQ PvP sucked in PoP era. A lot of people were into it. Not everyone thinks its great to not be able to raid because 1 small group of hardcores keeps training you. Not everything thinks safe zones ruin the game. Etc.

My guess is most people like to PvP a lot -- but they need to progress their characters regularly to avoid burn out. This simply can't be the case when only 1 guild dominates the raid scene. 1 guild dominating the raid scene is inevitable. Then people feel like the server is dead and quit.

As for getting close to recapturing classic EQ PvP...you'll need a time machine for that one. Players just simply know too much, their hardware is too good, and they are willing to use cheats in their race to the bottom to be the best of their childhood video game.

[pink grapefruit]

There is a whole lot of subjectivity in there. Not everyone agrees that EQ PvP sucked in PoP era. A lot of people were into it. Not everyone thinks its great to not be able to raid because 1 small group of hardcores keeps training you. Not everything thinks safe zones ruin the game. Etc.

My guess is most people like to PvP a lot -- but they need to progress their characters regularly to avoid burn out. This simply can't be the case when only 1 guild dominates the raid scene. 1 guild dominating the raid scene is inevitable. Then people feel like the server is dead and quit.

As for getting close to recapturing classic EQ PvP...you'll need a time machine for that one. Players just simply know too much, their hardware is too good, and they are willing to use cheats in their race to the bottom to be the best of their childhood video game.

regardless, a live progression server with whatever weirdness you find on live servers these days is not what the p99 pvp community is after.

our salvation rests solely on nilbog and rogean, and the second pvp server they have already been planning.

[Zuranthium]

Server needs to have time locked level caps so we can really get value out of early level content. Release weekend cap at 5, first week 11, fortnight 17, etc with 39 being the cap after 6 months.

That's a bit too slow, but yes I think it's good to have a leveling speed limit, especially new servers. It's actually realistic to Classic EQ too, considering the amount of server downtime during those first couple months.

I'm a casual scrub so, here's how it goes down:

step 1: get outleveled

step 2: get farmed by higher levels assisting lower levels (don't say this won't happen, it was constant when I was playing on Sullon Zek. I remember the number 1 ranked neutral player on the leaderboards was a level 30-something druid who rolled with a gank squad that would incapacitate high and mid levels so he could kill them)

step 3: get farmed more

step 4: bail

That's not going to be the experience on a current Red server with a proper ruleset. Sullon Zek did not have level limits for PvP. It did not have a LnS policy.

[Fammaden]

No ruleset will solve the problem. The problem is EQ PvP is a bag of dogshit, and red players are colossal fuckheads that no one wants to play with. Enjoy your current red server, its all you get or deserve.

[starkind]

That's what Ive been saying

RED IS FINE BY ITSELF

just retards like the pink apple person think that it's dead?!

JUST PLAY ON IT

HOLY SHIT!

Big forums meltdown iminent.

[Zuranthium]

No ruleset will solve the problem. The problem is EQ PvP is a bag of dogshit

Of course a ruleset will solve the problem. That's the entire point of making changes to a game. EQ with PvP is much better than EQ without PvP in this day and age. It's hilarious that PvE people try to call PvP players "dumb" when it's far easier to do PvE, and literally braindead most of the time, just going through exact prescribed motions that a little child could do.

[Vaye]

I'm pretty new to red and I'm really enjoying it.

Forget what you've heard on the forums. Yeah there's some sad souls on red, but there's actually a lot of pretty normal people too that are super fun to hang with. Owning dirtbags together with the good guys has a sense of comraderie and fun that I have not experienced on blue or green.

Is PVP in EQ balanced? Hell no. It's still a better solution than /list camps and lawyerquesting though. If you want a coveted camp or raid target, you better be willing to fight for it. You're not entitled to pixels just for standing in a line or being the first one there. Arguing in tells with people over what's fair or allowed on green got real old.

It's ironic because people think red is the most toxic community on P99, but I find the pixel lust and self-interest to be far worse on blue/green. Most people there just wanna zerg and collect pixels than learn how to be better at the game. That's not why I play. If I'm not learning or having fun, I just do something else.

PVP is the spice to an otherwise stale dish everyone's had a thousand times. Play on green for the nostalgia then come on red for a real challenge. A new PVP server would be cool but there's still lots of fun to be had on the current one.

[Fammaden]

Well its settled then, I'm rerolling on red. Vaye, can I join <Salt> with you and the three other active members?

[Tunabros]

Vaye gets the idea!

IT'S NOT DEAD! JUST PLAY ON IT!!

[pink grapefruit]

btw we're talking ruleset stuff for the upcoming server here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=391244

come give your input! we want as many people as possible playing it so the greater diversity of viewpoints the better i think :)

[pink grapefruit]

I'm pretty new to red and I'm really enjoying it.

Forget what you've heard on the forums. Yeah there's some sad souls on red, but there's actually a lot of pretty normal people too that are super fun to hang with. Owning dirtbags together with the good guys has a sense of comraderie and fun that I have not experienced on blue or green.

Is PVP in EQ balanced? Hell no. It's still a better solution than /list camps and lawyerquesting though. If you want a coveted camp or raid target, you better be willing to fight for it. You're not entitled to pixels just for standing in a line or being the first one there. Arguing in tells with people over what's fair or allowed on green got real old.

It's ironic because people think red is the most toxic community on P99, but I find the pixel lust and self-interest to be far worse on blue/green. Most people there just wanna zerg and collect pixels than learn how to be better at the game. That's not why I play. If I'm not learning or having fun, I just do something else.

PVP is the spice to an otherwise stale dish everyone's had a thousand times. Play on green for the nostalgia then come on red for a real challenge. A new PVP server would be cool but there's still lots of fun to be had on the current one.

This post brings a tear to my eye.

Here is a player that truly understands.

/salute

[Tunabros]

still no need to get a new red tho

so shut up pink orange

[Swish]

https://i.imgur.com/X5idYfN.gif

[Ravager]

Played Red for like 3 hours today. Never ran into another person. Not one PvP announcement made. Everyone was hiding like cowards with /anon. Pras.

[Modwolf]

No

[Gustoo]

New servers = good servers.

quoted for truth

[Gustoo]

I'm pretty new to red and I'm really enjoying it.

Forget what you've heard on the forums. Yeah there's some sad souls on red, but there's actually a lot of pretty normal people too that are super fun to hang with. Owning dirtbags together with the good guys has a sense of comraderie and fun that I have not experienced on blue or green.

Is PVP in EQ balanced? Hell no. It's still a better solution than /list camps and lawyerquesting though. If you want a coveted camp or raid target, you better be willing to fight for it. You're not entitled to pixels just for standing in a line or being the first one there. Arguing in tells with people over what's fair or allowed on green got real old.

It's ironic because people think red is the most toxic community on P99, but I find the pixel lust and self-interest to be far worse on blue/green. Most people there just wanna zerg and collect pixels than learn how to be better at the game. That's not why I play. If I'm not learning or having fun, I just do something else.

PVP is the spice to an otherwise stale dish everyone's had a thousand times. Play on green for the nostalgia then come on red for a real challenge. A new PVP server would be cool but there's still lots of fun to be had on the current one.

100% thats why any new PVP server is going to be a really great server for -some- amount of time. Whatever the ruleset. I hope it is a thoughtful ruleset that considers the struggles that red1.0 and blue and green have had, but whatever it is, it is going to be a good jolly time for a while.

[starkind]

I really want to play on red 2.0

i just don't have the time to join a family friendly guild on the current red and raid and stuff so i quit- that is liek my biggest reason, so i can queue in lfr,

but if red was new and people were playing again and not automating

and really pvping in unrest and we were defending unrest from the twinks

i would sooo hop on again

eagerly awaiting this announcment BEFORE i die :(

[Swish]

Played Red for like 3 hours today. Never ran into another person. Not one PvP announcement made. Everyone was hiding like cowards with /anon. Pras.

https://i.imgur.com/KFj1gfw.png