why is rooted dragons bad?

[Worry]

i only raided before this was implemented. why is this considered a bad thing here? isn't it an actual dungeon crawl now? why would pulling to the ent be better? please educate me.

[Ravager]

Cuz cooperation and actually playing the game is hard.

[Allishia]

Cause now it's a Zerg numbers game instead of a pull team + 2-3 groups to slow/kill dragon...it's not bad and is fun to crawl but it killed small guilds entirely and unless you can get 50+ to clear ntov it's not happening....like rustle / core type guilds no chance and even older guilds had to merge to have numbers

[Ravager]

Basically what I said.

[Tilien]

Rooted dragons is bad because it's a humanitarian issue. Dragons need large enclosures to properly mature. It's also a well known fact that free range dragons develop larger loot sacks, and therefore provide juicier loot.

[Tunabros]

because guilds like Aftermath become cringe

[Allishia]

Rooted dragons is bad because it's a humanitarian issue. Dragons need large enclosures to properly mature. It's also a well known fact that free range dragons develop larger loot sacks, and therefore provide juicier loot.

Lmao!

[RevSaber]

Because it enables/rewards zero skill players... I mean p99 raiders...

[Twochain]

Basically what everyone is saying, while it has it's moments of fun, 30-40 man raids don't have a chance anymore, and it's almost always a case where Guild numbers is the #1 importance. To have a shot at a dragon, while another guild is going for it, you need on average about 60-70 people during prime time, and you have to play pretty flawlessly with that amount of people, especially if you're facing 100+ on the other side.

60-70 prime time is a pretty huge number, that means your guild needs about 140+ active raiders. You're not gonna find 70 people with 60%+ RA.

[Mblake1981]

It's not classic.

It was implemented when things were at their peak. The only option for using your gear was being a pull team member, Two-Chain is one and I like to rib him. Proud people so show some respect (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3005063&postcount=5).

Anyway, I support unrooting them.

The true beef behind all this was the zerg guild, which riot became and for a time swallowed them all. The only people who can really compete with these folks are other people like these folks. When they poach all those people from the smaller guilds there is nothing left to do but join them.

They had to die.

[Tunabros]

what was the reason behind it in the first place?

to fuck over casual raiders and force zerg guilds to be formed?

[Mblake1981]

Since nothing is permanent guild wise on P99. You ultimo players should instill a <Core> era of smaller guilds made up of the best people who normally populate the top guild. You know, for shits n' giggles.

You would have all the competition your hearts could want. Just enforce keeping spies out of your new guild Discord channels and we are good.

[Allishia]

what was the reason behind it in the first place?

to fuck over casual raiders and force zerg guilds to be formed?

I think main issue was other guilds were trying to compete too and for longest time it was two guilds. One had the left other had right...once you had 4 guilds sitting at tov ENT trying to pull dragons it got messy...

[Mblake1981]

Sitting in seb waiting for hours on trak, nothing going on.

Trak spawns, your guild is waiting with 30.

A/A logs in at weirdo hour, zone lags

320 in zone.

20 seconds, Dragon dead. Your guild morale tanks.

The only players willing to sit around doing extreme shit app to A/A

Zerg has overwhelming ability aka Riot

Chew the worst Orc turds

I hope you choke.

[myrddraal]

antisocial neckbeard elitists who never learned to share are the only ones who dont like rooted dragons.

[Bardp1999]

Raiding on P99 for 5+ years is totally normal and healthy

[Swish]

Cuz cooperation and actually playing the game is hard.

Your old guild was all about shutting guilds out of a casual rotation for being too casual. Sit down.

[Ravager]

Your old guild was all about shutting guilds out of a casual rotation for being too casual. Sit down.

Still salty. Stay salty.

[Nibblewitz]

are*

Hope this helps!

[Tunabros]

raiding on p99 is very healthy

which is why I make sure to do it every week in order to keep a fit and strong physique!

[Convict]

I think main issue was other guilds were trying to compete too and for longest time it was two guilds. One had the left other had right...once you had 4 guilds sitting at tov ENT trying to pull dragons it got messy...

this pretty much nailed it

Petitions were bad enough with 2 guilds vying for mobs at ent. Once it started to get to 3-4 guilds at ent trying to fight for FTE and pull to ent pretty much every spawn someone was getting trained or pulls interfered with, etc. Basically, GM's didn't want to have to babysit 4 guilds every spawn cycle. Honestly, they probably didnt like the idea of mobs spawning and being FTE'd, trained to ent, and killed immediately either and I don't blame them. As fun as the pull to entrance era was, I get how ridiculous it probably seemed for the devs/GMs.

Funny thing is, short of a hard GM enforced rotation, no matter what rules they put in, or changes they make to raid boss behavior, the raiders on p99 will find ways to fuck with each other, look for shady advantages, or ways to get a "leg up" on their competition, bending or straight up breaking rules and cause petitions.

[Twochain]

antisocial neckbeard elitists who never learned to share are the only ones who dont like rooted dragons.

rooted dragons took tov from 2 guilds always, a lot of times 3 guilds in ToV during repop day, to 1 for an entire year. That is not more inclusive. Although truthfully the end of lockouts ruined the true low man squads more than rooted dragons did


@Alli and the rest, the dragons weren't rooted because there were too many guilds in tov. The chain of events seem to be, at least from the outside, Sirken gets forced out, Braknar immediately starts losing his shit about how toxic the raid scene is, posts a FULL GUILD ROTATION on the forums after the very first petition (For real, I think it was actually the first petition, AG AM and Core competed for a month or two pretty happily/without major drama after Tempest died- also was probably the most fun I had in TOV, all 3 guilds had a legit shot at every mob) Braknar loses his shit :eek: because he got circumvented by Rogean, posts all that shit on reddit trying to prove that Nil/Rog don't care about his feelings, and promptly after that they release rooted dragons as an attempt to mitigate raid toxicity.

That's my take at least

[Convict]

rooted dragons took tov from 2 guilds always, a lot of times 3 guilds in ToV during repop day, to 1 for an entire year. That is not more inclusive. Although truthfully the end of lockouts ruined the true low man squads more than rooted dragons did


@Alli and the rest, the dragons weren't rooted because there were too many guilds in tov. The chain of events seem to be, at least from the outside, Sirken gets forced out, Braknar immediately starts losing his shit about how toxic the raid scene is, posts a FULL GUILD ROTATION on the forums after the very first petition (For real, I think it was actually the first petition, AG AM and Core competed for a month or two pretty happily/without major drama after Tempest died- also was probably the most fun I had in TOV, all 3 guilds had a legit shot at every mob) Braknar loses his shit :eek: because he got circumvented by Rogean, posts all that shit on reddit trying to prove that Nil/Rog don't care about his feelings, and promptly after that they release rooted dragons as an attempt to mitigate raid toxicity.

That's my take at least

You aren't wrong but neither is Alli, its a combination of the 2, imo. Even when it was just A/A it was pretty toxic but I think manageable. When it turned into 4 guilds sittin at the ent with AG and kittens or whoever, etc, joined in the poopsocking it became overwhelming, likely drastically increasing the amount of petitions, which lead to Braknar losing his shit. At least that's how I remember it.

[Allishia]

You aren't wrong but neither is Alli, its a combination of the 2, imo. Even when it was just A/A it was pretty toxic but I think manageable. When it turned into 4 guilds sittin at the ent with AG and kittens or whoever, etc, joined in the poopsocking it became overwhelming, likely drastically increasing the amount of petitions, which lead to Braknar losing his shit. At least that's how I remember it.

Ya I remember it being awfully crowded and one guild was sitting Los of the door which is bad and they did get trained too I'm pretty sure. Wish I could find old fraps

[CancerMage]

noone fucking cares. the only people who play this game past a few months of velious end game raiding are retarded and havn't ran the numbers.

Rooted dragons are a way to keep these retards on the server longer. Because they are retarded.

All they want to see is numbers on at server select, thats what windows are for, thats what rooted dragons are for. and alot of other unclassic shit.

[Bardp1999]

Join Green - 1 guild raiding in harmony with everyone and the boot lickers get their bag limit participation trophy award gear every couple weeks.

The alternative is an infinite petition war with Detoxx

[Tunabros]

Join Green - 1 guild raiding in harmony with everyone and the boot lickers get their bag limit participation trophy award gear every couple weeks.

The alternative is an infinite petition war with Detoxx

what have we become

[Kohedron]

Because manchildren who want to relive their glory days from a children's 50 year old video game EXACTLY the way they played it.

[Mblake1981]

Because manchildren who want to relive their glory days from a children's 50 year old video game EXACTLY the way they played it.

Don't know many kids who were buying a $2k computer but I am poor..

oh this is trust fund kid complaints.

[reznor_]

I think the intention was "more fun for more people" but it was a poorly implemented experiment. I liked seeing 4 guilds in ToV pulling stuff, and the era of rooted dragons put an end to smaller casual guilds who, if they put in some effort to build infrastructure, could eventually have their day in ToV. I miss the guild diversity -- now it's just 2 or 3 super large forces, mostly about bodies. As someone who tried to do a low-numbers guild in the era of rooted dragons, it's just not feasible (shout out to my Guild homies!)

What did happen was that the rooting of dragons immediately separated the shitters from the actual good players. Before I joined a raid guild, I was under the impression that everyone who did ToV was an incredible player. How wrong I was. The "log in on batphone for 5 minute" players were incredibly shitty at the game. Rooted dragons is a testament to the core of folks who stuck around, these people. I need to clarify this paragraph because of the idiots on this forum: obviously the pre-root pull team and their support did a shitload of work, and are the good players I'm talking about. The infrastructure in the raid guilds who made it possible for 70 people to log in at a moments notice, they are the real heroes. I had a blast playing with them, the ones who actually put in the work. There are still shit players in both Vanquish and Riot, don't get me wrong. It's the same situation on green. You have the core who put in the work.

All things aside, I think a better meta would be a leash mechanic, so the dragons could be positioned...I've said this from the start. But I think that's a pipe dream. Anyway, it's chaos in the raid scene, keeps things lively at least ;)

[Mblake1981]

now it's just 2 or 3 super large forces, mostly about bodies. As someone who tried to do a low-numbers guild in the era of rooted dragons, it's just not feasible (shout out to my Guild homies!)

Is my brain twisted sideways, rooted or not when hasn't this been the case. <Core> was low numbers but top players with great gear from their raiding days in the zerg.

[reznor_]

Is my brain twisted sideways, rooted or not when hasn't this been the case. <Core> was low numbers but top players with great gear from their raiding days in the zerg.

I think when <Core> got that Vulak just before the rooting...I don't exactly remember. They had what, 40-50? I'm drawing a blank here. Point is, there were AM, Tempest, Core, AG, BG to an extent, and others in ToV. Now, it is not the case.

[Mblake1981]

I think when <Core> got that Vulak just before the rooting...I don't exactly remember. They had what, 40-50? I'm drawing a blank here. Point is, there were AM, Tempest, Core, AG, BG to an extent, and others in ToV. Now, it is not the case.

No, now its what.. 1 or 2 guilds doing it. The same as A/A camping the server for years. The small period where the scrub guilds were getting kills were because you guys were being nice people.. giving well fare pixels because of raid suspensions.

<Core> was the top guilds and see were <tempest> (the worst guild I was ever in)

[Mblake1981]

Enough of my crying about it.

You don't negotiate your way into raiding, getting this mob on this day. No, you take it from them.

[reznor_]

You don't negotiate your way into raiding, getting this mob on this day. No, you take it from them.

And so, the cycle continues as it always has

[Mblake1981]

And so, the cycle continues as it always has

<riot> who were also made up of the top raiders. The irony is not lost on me but they didnt carry their guild name into battle.

[Twochain]

I think when <Core> got that Vulak just before the rooting...I don't exactly remember. They had what, 40-50? I'm drawing a blank here. Point is, there were AM, Tempest, Core, AG, BG to an extent, and others in ToV. Now, it is not the case.

I don't know about THE LAST Vulak, but ONE of the last Vulaks was won on the back of one of the sickest plays ever made by Franswa, Picked up a dropped vulak in hub after looting an idol off his body in north. 40-50 people beat AM's 90+ and AG's 70+ that day.

[Allishia]

I don't know about THE LAST Vulak, but ONE of the last Vulaks was won on the back of one of the sickest plays ever made by Franswa, Picked up a dropped vulak in hub after looting an idol off his body in north. 40-50 people beat AM's 90+ and AG's 70+ that day.

I think I remember that. We didn't pull vulak cause someone was saying dagarn would agro but he doesn't cause he is just a wurm ? :p

[Twochain]

I think I remember that. We didn't pull vulak cause someone was saying dagarn would agro but he doesn't cause he is just a wurm ? :p

You are absolutely correct. Detoxx told me to stay flopped, when I had agro into the train and could have cleanly pulled it =P To be fair, almost nobody knew that dagarn wasn't linked (at least at that time), and that dagarn was merely agro'd as part of the pull. So instead of saving the day with a sweet vulak pick up, I got to watch IN PERSON Franswa make plays.

[Twochain]

You are absolutely correct. Detoxx told me to stay flopped, when I had agro into the train and could have cleanly pulled it =P To be fair, almost nobody knew that dagarn wasn't linked (at least at that time), and that dagarn was merely agro'd as part of the pull. So instead of saving the day with a sweet vulak pick up, I got to watch IN PERSON Franswa make plays.

Also Franswa ran the entire train into the lava in north which is a big NO-NO nowadays =P but was fine back then.