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unsunghero
08-19-2021, 01:49 PM
I'm ready! Ask a poor man anything-
Anything? Ok to get back on topic…
How many similarities can you spot between the Jan 6 riot and the overthrow of the Afghanistan government
Conversely, how many differences can you spot?
Horza
08-19-2021, 02:10 PM
wow they say all this is because biden went against advice of his commanders just so he could be the guy that ended the afganastan war on 9/11 that is like something Id expect to hear from FOX
The Wall Street Journal and Fox News are both owned by the same people.
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 02:42 PM
So we should lower our nat'l standards by comparing an American form of extremism to an older, more entrenched version abroad?
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How many similarities can you spot between the Jan 6 riot and the overthrow of the Afghanistan government
At least one—psychological.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanaticism
The mishandling of this withdrawal, the immediate fallout and long-term effects are all worthwhile topics to discuss but not while being set against the backdrop of January 6th to make the insurrection seem benign. Any two things can be used in a compare and contrast to make one seem less bad, that doesn't suddenly make it not bad.
Also, call Afghanistan a shithole if you want, but that hole has avoided getting its shit pushed in time and again throughout history.
https://www.quora.com/Did-Alexander-the-Great-conquer-Afghanistan
cd288
08-19-2021, 02:43 PM
Wicked burn bro. Dunno how I’m able to pay my mortgage on the 350k home I own with such a low IQ. How’s your living situation?
350k? Is that a lot or something? I'm guessing based on this post and this comment you live in some random town in like the midwest where 350k is considered a lot of money?
Get into mid-7 figures and then we'll talk you bad ass ;)
starkind
08-19-2021, 02:53 PM
guy with glasses is def a secret agent man but i dont want him to die cuz i made this dumb comment praying for them
also, i'm with the guy saying this is the rise of an islamic caliphate, erdy boy thinks he can control it but it will devour that region once he installs it and these guys will all ware pins on their left lapels but with an islamic flag gg over folks
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 02:58 PM
Lt. Commander Navy Seal (10 years on teams)
1x bronze star, 1x bronze star w/ V, Purple Heart, NMCC with valor
5 tours, iraq/afghanistan
Lost 1.5 eyes in an IED, Afghanistan.
Currently in 2nd term representing Texas' 2nd congressional district
This guy is more qualified to comment on afghanistan than anyone, anywhere.
More than Afghans themselves?
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 03:05 PM
Wrong thread. Partial blame goes to...
We already have a thread for this topic, please try to keep it contained to that thread.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390020
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 03:05 PM
More than Afghans themselves?
Are you going to try to justify the taliban because they have supporters?
You think the Austrians in 1940 were more qualified than anyone else to determine their future and they made good choices?
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 03:08 PM
350k? Is that a lot or something? I'm guessing based on this post and this comment you live in some random town in like the midwest where 350k is considered a lot of money?
Get into mid-7 figures and then we'll talk you bad ass ;)
It’s enough to demonstrate I’m probably not legally retarded like you suggested, genius
cd288
08-19-2021, 03:08 PM
Something tells me we should have probably evacuated the 15,000 Americans still trapped there, and gotten the 80,000 Afghan SIV's their visa's BEFORE closing Bagram and pulling out all our troops... seems like that should have come first... It doesnt help that our State Dept has been completely defunded by the previous admin and cannot get visas and background checks done for the afghans.
I dont know but it feels like common sense to me, to not assume we would have "time" to do that later... I blame the military and civilian leadership from both the Biden and Trump administration. I think they both played a part in this debacle and both bear responsibility.
Regardless of what political side of the isle you are on, the lack of planning and contingencies is unacceptable and just sad.
I see what you're trying to say, but respectfully this is too simple of a way of looking at it.
The reality is that the second we decided to pull out the police and security forces started taking bribes from the Taliban or just abandoning their posts altogether. That's what led to the Taliban's rapid advance. So if you start evacuating Americans and getting Afghans visas before you commit to a pull out, the same thing would happen; people would just realize that meant the Americans were going to announce a pullout soon and they'd start accepting surrender bribes/deserting just like they did in the current scenario.
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 03:25 PM
Are you going to try to justify the taliban because they have supporters?
You think the Austrians in 1940 were more qualified than anyone else to determine their future and they made good choices?
Why would I be trying to justify fanaticism after indicating the obvious problems with it not one post earlier?
It was a rhetorical question/simple observation, meant to imply that it's doubtul even a Lt. Commander with multiple tours there would claim to know that country better than the people who populate it; that's part of why it hasn't been conquered.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 03:30 PM
"We've seen that that force has been unable to defend the country, and that has happened more quickly than we anticipated."
"The truth is: This did unfold more quickly than we anticipated. So what's happened? Afghanistan political leaders gave up and fled the country. The Afghan military gave up, sometimes without trying to fight,"
-biden
“I am concerned about the Afghan military’s ability to hold on after we leave,” Marine Corps Gen. Kenneth “Frank” McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command, told Congress on April 11th.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-04-22/top-us-general-afghanistans-military-may-not-hold-on-after-we-leave
LIZ CHENEY: — you’ll find this was a decision made contrary to the advice that the president was getting from his senior military leaders.
The president is unwilling to rethink his decision to withdraw U.S. troops, even as Afghanistan unravels faster than expected. (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/11/biden-afghanistan-not-my-problem-503928)
“I have been asking for months for answers on how the Biden administration planned to execute this withdrawal,” said Rep. Brian Mast (R-Fla.), a veteran who lost both his legs in Afghanistan. “And now they’ve showed us: be so unprepared that all those who worked with us are going to be executed.”
I am not saying he went full trump and thought he could do whatever he wanted but it's starting to sound like we did anticipate it, but some person(s?) disagreed and wound up being wrong. :(
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 03:33 PM
Why would I be trying to justify fanaticism after indicating the obvious problems with it not one post earlier?
It was a rhetorical question/simple observation, meant to imply that it's doubtul even a Lt. Commander with multiple tours there would claim to know that country better than the people who populate it; that's part of why it hasn't been conquered.
Well you might be romantisizing the idea of some great people that have defeated every army that has come upon them.
It is a godforsaken hell hole with virtually zero strategic or economic value. Drug use is so rampant there that it's likely that 90% of the country is high on drugs at any given moment. It's like if homeless encampments in Venice Beach were a country.
The group that took over the country last week, they dont "defeat" armies, they hide in holes for decades and wait for their enemies to give up, die or leave and then they come out of the mountains go and rape everyone.
You seriously trying to tell me you think the homeless are more qualified to talk about homelessness than say the police or medial professionals that save their lives every day?
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 03:38 PM
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-04-22/top-us-general-afghanistans-military-may-not-hold-on-after-we-leave
The president is unwilling to rethink his decision to withdraw U.S. troops, even as Afghanistan unravels faster than expected. (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/11/biden-afghanistan-not-my-problem-503928)
I am not saying he went full trump and thought he could do whatever he wanted but it's starting to sound like we did anticipate it, but some person(s?) disagreed and wound up being wrong. :(
It is somewhat reminiscent of...
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Sewol
GinnasP99
08-19-2021, 03:47 PM
350k? Is that a lot or something? I'm guessing based on this post and this comment you live in some random town in like the midwest where 350k is considered a lot of money?
Get into mid-7 figures and then we'll talk you bad ass ;)
You wouldn't say shit face to face with this guy.
Ohh and also, a 350k home is more than enough to live a comfortable, amazing life.
Baler
08-19-2021, 03:48 PM
Biden's ABC interview made him look like a fool and did not help him politically.
Young women who grew up there with us military support know a different kind of life.
The older women who know what the Taliban will do are doing anything they can to get their daughters out.
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Then in the white house speech yesterday he ignored any questions regarding Afghanistan.
He came out, talked about covid and walked out.
Horza
08-19-2021, 03:52 PM
Oh no, Biden lost Baler's definitely not already locked in based on partisan lines vote :(
https://i.imgur.com/EX6z7gP.jpg
Baler
08-19-2021, 03:53 PM
Oh no, Biden lost Baler's definitely not already locked in on partisan lines vote :(
Horza do you think it's acceptable for children to be thrown over fences in afghan and the mexico/usa border?
Because that's a trend during biden's administration.
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I would never vote for biden, he is a Career politician. He was supposed to be a public servant to the people of america, instead he turned it into a life long career.
Then add Kamala who isn't qualified to even be vice president.
You don't have to like me or agree with me, But you can't ignore it.
ps. @Horza, try typing in longer than 1 sentence bait trolls.
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 03:54 PM
You're clearlyl romantisizing the idea of some great people that have defeated every army that has come upon them.
I included a link detailing that region's history, not a clip from 300...hardly a romanticization of events.
It is a godforsaken hell hole with virtually zero strategic or economic value. Drug use is so rampant there that it's likely that 90% of the country is high on drugs at any given moment.
The point was, a local would know this and more, just like we understand America better for having lived here.
The army that took over this month, they dont "defeat" armies, they hide in holes for decades and wait for their enemies to give up, die or leave and then they come out of the mountains go and rape everyone.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colombia-rebels/colombian-army-unearths-rebel-hide-outs-in-caves-idUSTRE52002520090301
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-05-08-me-4400-story.html
cd288
08-19-2021, 03:55 PM
You wouldn't say shit face to face with this guy.
Ohh and also, a 350k home is more than enough to live a comfortable, amazing life.
Why would I not say that to his face lol
And yes I agree with you it certainly is if you live in lower cost areas
cd288
08-19-2021, 03:56 PM
It’s enough to demonstrate I’m probably not legally retarded like you suggested, genius
Oh I was more saying I don't think you have to be that smart to make 350k. Sorry that I wasn't clear in my comment.
cd288
08-19-2021, 03:57 PM
Oh no, Biden lost Baler's definitely not already locked in based on partisan lines vote :(
Lmao
Baler
08-19-2021, 03:59 PM
From the outside, it would be nice to grant citizenship for those that worked for the US, UK, etc in Afghanistan. Both as a thank you, but also as without the military backing them these guys will be exposed to ‘retribution’.
There are afghan people who worked with usa in afghan who absolutely love America.
Legal immigrants from afghan can personally speak about quality of life and the freedom they now enjoy. They want the same for their families.
Horza
08-19-2021, 04:04 PM
There are afghan people who worked with usa in afghan who absolutely love America.
Legal immigrants from afghan can personally speak about quality of life and the freedom they now enjoy. They want the same for their families.
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-16-republicans-voted-against-visas-afghans-who-helped-u-s-troops-1620043
On July 22, the House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to provide 8,000 more visas under the SIV program for Afghan interpreters, contractors and other U.S. allies who may be vulnerable as the Taliban seizes the country.
The House voted in favor of the resolution H.R. 3985, introduced by Rep. Jason Crow, by 407 votes to 16. All the "nay" votes were Republicans and the bill was sent to the Senate, though it has yet to be passed by that chamber.
The Republicans who voted against the resolution were: Andy Biggs of Arizona, Lauren Boebert of Colorado, Mo Brooks of Alabama, Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee, Jeff Duncan of South Carolina, Bob Good of Virginia, Paul Gosar of Arizona, Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, Kevin Hern of Oklahoma, Jody Hice of Georgia, Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Barry Moore of Alabama, Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, Bill Posey of Florida, Matthew Rosendale of Montana and Chip Roy of Texas.
Baler
08-19-2021, 04:10 PM
use your words Horza, stop trolling.
Your neckbeard is showing.
Horza
08-19-2021, 04:13 PM
Republicans in the Senate are the reason Afghan people who worked with U.S. in the country are fucked, stupid.
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 04:16 PM
try typing in longer than 1 sentence bait trolls.
no
https://i.imgur.com/4wMOtk3.gifThe United States has no obligation to evacuate 1, or 100,001, South Viet- namese
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 04:20 PM
Oh I was more saying I don't think you have to be that smart to make 350k. Sorry that I wasn't clear in my comment.
Yeah but you have to be kind of a moron to not understand how home buying typically goes. Most people don’t pay the full cost of their home in cash, therefore I don’t have 350k. I have what’s called a “mortgage”, where I put down more than 20% so I don’t have to pay mortgage insurance which would have been 185/mo
Someone who is legally retarded or low IQ is typically not only able to afford a mortgage, but also often living in what’s called a group home, which is a place where they have staff to keep on eye on theirs/others safety and assist them with getting to and from what’s called a “day program”, which is like a school for adults which teaches them basic life skills
Look at all the things u learned today. This is a big day for you
Baler
08-19-2021, 04:21 PM
Republicans in the Senate are the reason Afghan people who worked with U.S. in the country are fucked, stupid.
That has nothing to do with what I said.
Please allow me to quote what I said so you and others can re-read what I said.
There are afghan people who worked with usa in afghan who absolutely love America.
Legal immigrants from afghan can personally speak about quality of life and the freedom they now enjoy. They want the same for their families.
So I said something harmless and Horza tried to turn it into some hateful spite filled argument.
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 04:31 PM
Speaking of pulling out (https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-arts-and-entertainment-68b8ae139a964919414bc99374fd37e1)
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 04:35 PM
You seriously trying to tell me you think the homeless are more qualified to talk about homelessness than say the police or medial professionals that save their lives every day?
A music critic can't teach anyone how to play the Blues, even though they can better articulate what distinguishes it from other genres, more so than a Blues musician speaking in their own words. A game developer doesn't have time to poopsock and understand raid culture, even though they do play and understand the mechanics.
Similarly, a police officer or medical professional wouldn't know how to survive homelessness directly, the way a homeless person would. Book knowledge only goes so far. Just how reliable are those old EQ Prima guides now? A police officer who read Abbie Hoffman front to back wouldn't be an expert on not needing a million dollars to do nothing. It's one thing to study something or even interact with it regularly, it's quite another to live it.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 04:38 PM
Oh no, Biden lost Baler's definitely not already locked in based on partisan lines vote :(
https://i.imgur.com/EX6z7gP.jpg
This is a good one lol
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 04:40 PM
Well you might be romantisizing the idea
A music critic can't teach anyone how to play the Blues,
yep :o
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 04:45 PM
Speaking of pulling out (https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-arts-and-entertainment-68b8ae139a964919414bc99374fd37e1)
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Ennewi
08-19-2021, 04:58 PM
yep :o
Pain, loss, and injustice...all relevant to blues music and to the events being discussed. Adiction, disease, PTSD, etc. Any number of life experiences could be used in place of that. Perhaps I should have chosen spousal abuse so you wouldn't be able to type out that word again, though even that probably has been romanticized somewhere too.
cd288
08-19-2021, 04:59 PM
Yeah but you have to be kind of a moron to not understand how home buying typically goes. Most people don’t pay the full cost of their home in cash, therefore I don’t have 350k. I have what’s called a “mortgage”, where I put down more than 20% so I don’t have to pay mortgage insurance which would have been 185/mo
Someone who is legally retarded or low IQ is typically not only able to afford a mortgage, but also often living in what’s called a group home, which is a place where they have staff to keep on eye on theirs/others safety and assist them with getting to and from what’s called a “day program”, which is like a school for adults which teaches them basic life skills
Look at all the things u learned today. This is a big day for you
Well 1. I never called you legally retarded, and 2. I know plenty of low IQ people who can afford mortgages in certain areas of the country...such as the area where you probably live based on your posts.
Ravager
08-19-2021, 05:01 PM
I suppose erecting gallows and threatening to hang heads of state doesn't count as insurrection.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 05:03 PM
I suppose erecting gallows and threatening to hang heads of state doesn't count as insurrection.
Is that what you think? That Hyperbole is insurrection? That speech is an insurrection?
Ravager
08-19-2021, 05:04 PM
Pulling out was the right thing to do. It was going to be ugly in any case. But we probably should have evacuated everyone before removing the military protection. That was most definitely stupid and Biden will own that.
Ravager
08-19-2021, 05:05 PM
Is that what you think? That Hyperbole is insurrection? That speech is an insurrection?
People were murdered that day. Where's the hyperbole?
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 05:06 PM
That's all anyone has said.
In fact, I am the only one here who said pulling out wasn't, and I take it back. I thought it was about saving children but our side was buttf()&ing little kids.
strongNpretty
08-19-2021, 05:07 PM
Why do you all know your IQ's? I never once have been given the option to know mine.. And does it ask financial questions in an IQ test?
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 05:08 PM
People were murdered that day. Where's the hyperbole?
I could say the same about 100 days that lead up to it. Rioters use hyperbole.
Go look up some riots, youll find they often have effigies of the presidents. Both sides.
Or you can go ahead and tell me that what you saw on jan 6th is unlike anything you have ever seen before and Ill continue to think you are completely full it because it happened in 36 separate goverment buildings that year and those were called "mostly peaceful protests".
Baler
08-19-2021, 05:08 PM
This is a good one lol
Most people wouldn't know hegelian dialectic if it slapped them in the face.
In face most people who do know of this misinterpret it.
@Jibartik I challenge you to read some of the books written by Hegel. While not life changing it's an interesting perspective to keep in mind when you feel. after being influenced.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 05:12 PM
You might want to be more specific.
Baler
08-19-2021, 05:12 PM
Who is the wolf? ?peehs eht si ohW
Baler
08-19-2021, 05:13 PM
Idealism at it's finest.
https://i.imgur.com/12w3CKb.gif
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 05:15 PM
He's an idealist.
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 05:17 PM
I could say the same about 100 days that lead up to it. Rioters use hyperbole.
Go look up some riots, youll find they often have effigies of the presidents. Both sides.
Or you can go ahead and tell me that what you saw on jan 6th is unlike anything you have ever seen before and Ill continue to think you are completely full it because it happened in 36 separate goverment buildings that year and those were called "mostly peaceful protests".
Buddy that was guillotines, not gallows. :p
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 05:23 PM
You seriously trying to tell me you think the homeless are more qualified to talk about homelessness than say the police or medial professionals that save their lives every day?
Ut est rerum omnium magister usus (roughly "Experience is the teacher of all things" or more generally "experience is the best teacher") is a quote attributed to Julius Caesar in De Bello Civile, the war commentaries of the Civil War.[1][2] Since then the phrase has become a common saying regarding learning and leadership.[3]
Julius Caesar, Roman and romanticizer.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 05:27 PM
Ut est rerum omnium magister usus (roughly "Experience is the teacher of all things" or more generally "experience is the best teacher") is a quote attributed to Julius Caesar in De Bello Civile, the war commentaries of the Civil War.[1][2] Since then the phrase has become a common saying regarding learning and leadership.[3]
Julius Caesar, Roman and romanticizer.
Ok so you are seriously trying to tell me you would take a homeless mans word on everything relating to homelessness over anyone else.
Not only that you're saying you unconditionally believe, regardless of what the topic is if it's related to homelessness, that a homeless person is more qualified to speak on it.
If it is about feeding a nation? No pass, its more important to listen to people who have never fed or helped anyone on how to feed a nation.
How about health and medical interests? No, why would a DOCTOR know more than a homeless person, the homeless person knows what they have to deal with.
Why would a doctor know any better than any of us about vaccines, its OUR bodies, WE live in them, they are just critics!
lol ok, I guess you're right!
Smoofers
08-19-2021, 05:28 PM
back up in your ass with the insurrection
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 05:32 PM
Why do you all know your IQ's? I never once have been given the option to know mine.. And does it ask financial questions in an IQ test?
I only know mine because I was tested in GATE (California) and again in OTAG (Oregon) back in 4th to 6th grade. (147)
When I applied for Mensa 8 or so years ago, for free access to JSTOR, I scored 139 online and was requested to come in for in-person testing if I wanted to dispute their Mensa membership requirement of 140, but was given JSTOR access for being confirmed above 135 with the online test having a window of error of +/-3 as it's standard deviation.
So I'm just getting dumber as I get older I guess, or maybe intellectually lazier (likely borne of the 7 veils of ignorance)
Nocht
08-19-2021, 05:40 PM
Who is the wolf? ?peehs eht si ohW
We know its you Nirgon you can stop pretending now.
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 05:42 PM
Ok so you are seriously trying to tell me you would take a homeless mans word on everything relating to homelessness over anyone else.
Not only that you're saying you unconditionally believe, regardless of what the topic is if it's related to homelessness, that a homeless person is more qualified to speak on it.
If it is about feeding a nation? No pass, its more important to listen to people who have never fed or helped anyone on how to feed a nation.
How about health and medical interests? No, why would a DOCTOR know more than a homeless person, the homeless person knows what they have to deal with.
Why would a doctor know any better than any of us about vaccines, its OUR bodies, WE live in them, they are just critics!
lol ok, I guess you're right!
I've been a homeless man. It has its challenges, which can be sorted out but it also has its pitfalls which work against aims of recovering therefrom. For one thing, you are incredibly vulnerable to injustices enacted by the state, and fellow homeless alike.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 05:44 PM
I've been a homeless man. It has its challenges, which can be sorted out but it also has its pitfalls which work against aims of recovering therefrom. For one thing, you are incredibly vulnerable to injustices enacted by the state, and fellow homeless alike.
You heard it hear folks, literally nobody here can have an opinion on homelessness, we must all take Gwaihir's word for any and all potential problems and solutions related to it.
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 05:47 PM
You heard it hear folks, literally nobody here can have an opinion on homelessness, we must all take Gwaihir's word for any and all potential problems and solutions related to it.
Questionable dig, but "ok", carry on.
*Switches on listening mode*
Horza
08-19-2021, 05:47 PM
Is that what you think? That Hyperbole is insurrection? That speech is an insurrection?
Chanting "Hang Mike Pence" while violently storming the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power isn't speech.
Ooloo
08-19-2021, 05:53 PM
Chanting "Hang Mike Pence" while violently storming the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power isn't speech.
No that literally is protected speech, you're just conveniently conflating it with "violently blah blah". Nobody disagrees that actual violence is bad, but jan 6th is a blip on the radar compared to what the left has perpetrated over the last 24 months. It's not even close.
Mesocyclone
08-19-2021, 05:57 PM
10 bucks says Billie Ellish is a boy
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 06:07 PM
There are quite a few folks here that that dig will unequivocally prove my point lol
I dont mind your opinions :)
........ \|/
You are great.
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 06:09 PM
Both are aspects of utilizing violence to impose Will.
One being implicit, and the other being explicit; I have not yet determined their value, but am leaning towards "evil" in their disposition alike
cd288
08-19-2021, 06:10 PM
No that literally is protected speech, you're just conveniently conflating it with "violently blah blah". Nobody disagrees that actual violence is bad, but jan 6th is a blip on the radar compared to what the left has perpetrated over the last 24 months. It's not even close.
Speaking as a lawyer, it's literally not protected speech. And even if there were any shred of an argument that it was, once they shifted to the act of actually storming the capital, the idea of protected speech goes away. One of the reasons people have been able to be charged with certain things as a result.
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 06:11 PM
There are quite a few folks here that that dig will unequivocally prove my point lol
I dont mind your opinions :)
........ \|/
You are great.
Aww shucks.
/Blush
/Kick
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 06:13 PM
Speaking as a lawyer, it's literally not protected speech. And even if there were any shred of an argument that it was, once they shifted to the act of actually storming the capital, the idea of protected speech goes away. One of the reasons people have been able to be charged with certain things as a result.
Yes yes, implicit threat of violence is terrorist speech, by definition
Ravager
08-19-2021, 06:14 PM
I could say the same about 100 days that lead up to it. Rioters use hyperbole.
Go look up some riots, youll find they often have effigies of the presidents. Both sides.
Or you can go ahead and tell me that what you saw on jan 6th is unlike anything you have ever seen before and Ill continue to think you are completely full it because it happened in 36 separate goverment buildings that year and those were called "mostly peaceful protests".
People defending the counting of ballots in a free and fair election were murdered by people trying to get in to stop the counting of ballots in a free and fair election. Where's the hyperbole?
Ravager
08-19-2021, 06:21 PM
I've been a homeless man. It has its challenges, which can be sorted out but it also has its pitfalls which work against aims of recovering therefrom. For one thing, you are incredibly vulnerable to injustices enacted by the state, and fellow homeless alike.
Glad you were able to come out of that. Not many internet trolls understand how difficult it is to get gainful employment without an address, bank account, phone number, email address and work history. They look at the homeless as aimless bums, but if someone took all of those things away from them they'd have a real hard time of it.
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 06:33 PM
Ok so you are seriously trying to tell me you would take a homeless mans word on everything relating to homelessness over anyone else.
If I was an actor with a role in something like Waiting For Godot? Yes, but many homeless people rather than one. Go directly to the source of something to understand it. Cut out the news, the statistics, etc.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_Paris_and_London
Down and Out in Paris and London is the first full-length work by the English author George Orwell, published in 1933. It is a memoir[2] in two parts on the theme of poverty in the two cities. Its target audience was the middle- and upper-class members of society—those who were more likely to be well educated—and exposes the poverty existing in two prosperous cities: Paris and London. The first part is an account of living in near-extreme poverty destitution in Paris and the experience of casual labour in restaurant kitchens. The second part is a travelogue of life on the road in and around London from the tramp's perspective, with descriptions of the types of hostel accommodation available and some of the characters to be found living on the margins.
Orwell fell seriously ill in March 1929 and shortly afterwards had money stolen from the lodging house. The thief was probably not the young Italian described in Down and Out. In a later account, he said the theft was the work of a young trollop that he had picked up and brought back with him;[7] it has been submitted that "consideration for his parents' sensibilities would have required the suppression of this misadventure". Whoever reduced Orwell to destitution did him a good turn; his final ten weeks in Paris sowed the seed of his first published book."[8] Whether through necessity or just to collect material, and probably both, he undertook casual work as a dishwasher in restaurants. In August 1929 he sent a copy of "The Spike" to the Adelphi magazine in London, and it was accepted for publication. Orwell left Paris in December 1929 and returned to England, going straight home to his parents' house in Southwold. Later he acted as a private tutor to a handicapped child there and also undertook further tramping expeditions, culminating in a stint working in the Kent hop fields in August and September 1931. After this adventure, he ended up in the Tooley Street kip, which he found so unpleasant that he wrote home for money and moved to more comfortable lodgings.[9]
It's a good read. IIRC Anthony Bourdain recommended it years ago because there's cooking in it, well, using the term loosely. Cooking with quotation marks.
Not only that you're saying you unconditionally believe, regardless of what the topic is if it's related to homelessness, that a homeless person is more qualified to speak on it.
Your words, not mine. There are exceptions as always, so believing any one person based solely on their background is not advisable. People have motives, biases, etc. Roll for perception.
If it is about feeding a nation? No pass, its more important to listen to people who have never fed or helped anyone on how to feed a nation.
A homeless person would know what all resources were available in their area, from professionals and others without homes, but they wouldn't necessarily have the know-how in order to feed others on a large scale.
https://rgreenhagen.medium.com/how-can-someone-with-autism-specifically-enhance-the-cyber-security-workforce-dabde995b81f
How about health and medical interests? No, why would a DOCTOR know more than a homeless person, the homeless person knows what they have to deal with.
Picking and choosing things the average person wouldn't know, homeless or otherwise, while overlooking what information one would need to have when on the street.
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Why would a doctor know any better than any of us about vaccines, its OUR bodies, WE live in them, they are just critics!
The human body is still very much beyond our complete understanding, particularly the brain. Bodies aren't experiences but an evolved means through which we experience such external things as homelessness, which are evident. Doctors still take into account feedback from their patients and patients can seek out a second opinion, because not all doctors are good at what they do and each body/brain varies with a complex personal and familial history. But the scientific community is a reliable enough source of information because they devote their time to that. There aren't people who are scienceless, not even those who are science-deniers. Similarly, it would be absurd to call homeless people home-deniers.
Jimjam
08-19-2021, 06:39 PM
Orwell came from Greece, Had a thirst for knowledge. Studied sculpture at Saint Martin’s College.
Jimjam
08-19-2021, 06:44 PM
Chanting "Hang Mike Pence" while violently storming the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power isn't speech.
No that literally is protected speech, you're just conveniently conflating it with "violently blah blah". Nobody disagrees that actual violence is bad, but jan 6th is a blip on the radar compared to what the left has perpetrated over the last 24 months. It's not even close.
Is building gallows protected speech too?
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 06:44 PM
If I was an actor with a role in something like Waiting For Godot? Yes, but many homeless people rather than one. Go directly to the source of something to understand it. Cut out the news, the statistics, etc.
RYtGDZ0K2Bg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_Paris_and_London
It's a good read. IIRC Anthony Bourdain recommended it years ago because there's cooking in it, well, using the term loosely. Cooking with quotation marks.
Your words, not mine. There are exceptions as always, so believing any one person based solely on their background is not advisable. People have motives, biases, etc. Roll for perception.
A homeless person would know what all resources were available in their area, from professionals and others without homes, but they wouldn't necessarily have the know-how in order to feed others on a large scale.
https://rgreenhagen.medium.com/how-can-someone-with-autism-specifically-enhance-the-cyber-security-workforce-dabde995b81f
Picking and choosing things the average person wouldn't know, homeless or otherwise, while overlooking what information one would need to have when on the street.
an9VmqdUSbA
The human body is still very much beyond our complete understanding, particularly the brain. Bodies aren't experiences but an evolved means through which we experience such external things as homelessness, which are evident. Doctors still take into account feedback from their patients and patients can seek out a second opinion, because not all doctors are good at what they do and each body/brain varies with a complex personal and familial history. But the scientific community is a reliable enough source of information because they devote their time to that. There aren't people who are scienceless, not even those who are science-deniers. Similarly, it would be absurd to call homeless people home-deniers.
Oh but they can be home deniers as well.
Consider the friars
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 06:46 PM
Is building gallows protected speech too?
A gallow is a platform with holes in it.....
Swish
08-19-2021, 06:48 PM
Orwell came from Greece, Had a thirst for knowledge. Studied sculpture at Saint Martin’s College.
https://i.imgur.com/0HsTI8L.jpg
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 06:49 PM
Well 1. I never called you legally retarded, and 2. I know plenty of low IQ people who can afford mortgages in certain areas of the country...such as the area where you probably live based on your posts.
At least I know how home buying works, unlike you who thinks people just buy their homes with cash all at once. And I live in AZ, I’ve said numerous times on this forum
The reality is you didn’t identify specific anything about my post that gives any indication of IQ. You are just another whiny libtard who doesn’t like my politics. And no I don’t believe you know a bunch of low IQ people, and anonymous people on the internet don’t count. I don’t believe you know many people at all. I don’t believe you venture outside your home much if at all. I believe you are a whiny piece of shit keyboard warrior who no one would miss if you died, or even notice until the smell from the shithole you live in alerted the neighbors
But hey, I’m just inferring like you did
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 06:52 PM
Oh but they can be home deniers as well.
Consider the friars
And the Frasiers, homeless-deniers.
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Jimjam
08-19-2021, 06:55 PM
A gallow is a platform with holes in it.....
Kinda like facebook and twitter then!
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 07:00 PM
Kinda like facebook and twitter then!
/rimshot
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 07:02 PM
back up in your ass with the insurrection
Oval Office Space
Baler
08-19-2021, 07:06 PM
It's sad that there are project 1999 members thinking jan 6th is more serious than the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I thought this was a more mature community that has been on the internet for years.
Knowing that some of these people are provocateurs or have been so deeply brainwashed, it's sickening.
Think for yourself before it's too late. Don't let anyone put words in your mouth.
Gwaihir
08-19-2021, 07:17 PM
It's sad that there are project 1999 members thinking jan 6th is more serious than the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I thought this was a more mature community that has been on the internet for years.
Knowing that some of these people are provocateurs or have been so deeply brainwashed, it's sickening.
Think for yourself before it's too late. Don't let anyone put words in your mouth.
I'm not saying there aren't degrees/gradients of severity.
If in the desire to impose Will upon others, desire devolves to action (violence), then we can assume that along the road to that violence are degrees of severity culminating in violence.
However, in the perspective of BLM insurrection, explicit violence was invoked as a platform for voicing a desire to restore a platform perceptibly lost by those invoking the violence.
Likewise, in the perspective of the electorial insurrection, implicit violence was expressed as a platform for voicing a desire to restore a platform perceptively lost by those participating in implying the threat of violence.
Likewise, in the perspective of the indigenous people of Afghanistan, of which includes the Taliban, explicit violence is being expressed as a platform for voicing a desire to restore a platform perceptively lost by those conducting the violence.
We have three aspects out of the four necessary to decode this connundrum and unless reconciled, creates a divisive rift that culminates in further estrangement threatening the prospect of global violence.
No one wants to give up their position to satisfy the antithesis, as they feel extorted and or forced into this avenue.
Note, the least common denominator in all three of these manifestations, is the US government.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 07:19 PM
People who assisted the US military are being literally tortured right now. Tens of thousands of US citizens are stranded there right now fearing for their lives. A 12 year old could have come up with a better exit strategy than Biden did. He knows how bad he fucked up, which is why he is back to hiding in his fucking basement not taking any questions for the past week
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 07:20 PM
It's sad that there are project 1999 members thinking jan 6th is more serious than the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I thought this was a more mature community that has been on the internet for years.
Knowing that some of these people are provocateurs or have been so deeply brainwashed, it's sickening.
Think for yourself before it's too late. Don't let anyone put words in your mouth.
Exactly, well said
It's sad that there are project 1999 members thinking jan 6th is more serious than the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I thought this was a more mature community that has been on the internet for years.
Knowing that some of these people are provocateurs or have been so deeply brainwashed, it's sickening.
Think for yourself before it's too late. Don't let anyone put words in your mouth.
I don't know if it's the fact that it's more serious or not. It's probably more that we're supposed to be a more educated, sophisticated, civilized, and just country. So when things like Jan 6th happen, there's going to be an obvious uproar. And while I'm sure many aren't oblivious to the fact that those involved in the insurrection were clearly emotional, just like every violent riot that's happened recently, we should be better.
I'm sorry I had to explain this.
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 07:30 PM
It's sad that there are project 1999 members thinking jan 6th is more serious than the Taliban in Afghanistan.
The argument has been that one shouldn't be treated less seriously as is because of the other. Civilization isn't pass-fail. "At least they didn't..." isn't a great campaign slogan.
Don't let anyone, not even Baler, put words in your mouth.
Mesocyclone
08-19-2021, 07:35 PM
The people who murdered the 4 police officers after the riot and called them all suicides in the press are infinitely more dangerous than the Taliban.
Gatordash
08-19-2021, 07:37 PM
People who assisted the US military are being literally tortured right now. Tens of thousands of US citizens are stranded there right now fearing for their lives. A 12 year old could have come up with a better exit strategy than Biden did. He knows how bad he fucked up, which is why he is back to hiding in his fucking basement not taking any questions for the past week
Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/confidential-state-department-cable-in-july-warned-of-afghanistans-collapse-11629406993) put out an article today about how Biden's administration was warned last month how quick the Taliban would advance.
Ravager
08-19-2021, 07:45 PM
It's sad that there are project 1999 members thinking jan 6th is more serious than the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I thought this was a more mature community that has been on the internet for years.
Knowing that some of these people are provocateurs or have been so deeply brainwashed, it's sickening.
Think for yourself before it's too late. Don't let anyone put words in your mouth.
It's only because we have a military that defends the constitution that it wasn't as bad as Afghanistan. That doesn't make an attempted coup less serious.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 07:48 PM
The people who murdered the 4 police officers after the riot and called them all suicides in the press are infinitely more dangerous than the Taliban.
I did not hear about this. Suicides? Did you not see the autopsy reports?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/07/capitol-riot-deaths-cause-death-released-4-5-not-sicknick/7128040002/
Natural causes, natural causes, accidental overdose, and the one named Brian Siknick was ruled as stroke:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes-after-riot-n1264562
Where the F did you hear suicide? You talk to Hillary Clinton?
Horza
08-19-2021, 07:50 PM
Once again, The Wall Street Journal and Fox News are both owned by the same people.
Horza
08-19-2021, 07:53 PM
It's sad that there are project 1999 members thinking jan 6th is more serious than the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I thought this was a more mature community that has been on the internet for years.
Knowing that some of these people are provocateurs or have been so deeply brainwashed, it's sickening.
Think for yourself before it's too late. Don't let anyone put words in your mouth.
Sorry your guys' attempted coup failed miserably.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 07:55 PM
Your words, not mine. There are exceptions as always, so believing any one person based solely on their background is not advisable. People have motives, biases, etc. Roll for perception.
Ahh so then you agree, that in some situations someone who is not native to the land perhaps might be more qualified to comment on Afghanistan.
And (https://youtu.be/m_djk1RQ2Ew?t=3). Thanks for realizing that it was wrong to say that the people of Afghanistan are more qualified than a US commander to comment about Afghanistan.
I just wanted that single point to be clear, it is wrong to assume he knows less about the situation, life in Afghanistan, or the people, because he is not from there. Infact he may be better suited in some cases because he is less culturally biased to side with one group over another.
Its like saying non americans cant comment on american politics, or what would be better for us, you could see with the naked eye from jupiter what would be better for most americans. That dont make them say they are gonig to do it!
Once again, The Wall Street Journal and Fox News are both owned by the same people.
Fake news fake news!
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 07:55 PM
Sorry your guys' attempted coup failed miserably.
Yeah yknow the whole not bringing guns part really fucks over your chances. That one old lady did have a tiny American flag tho which I imagine the wooden stick for that could give you a nasty poke
Gatordash
08-19-2021, 07:58 PM
Once again, The Wall Street Journal and Fox News are both owned by the same people.
The article says they have two sources that both confirmed the same thing. I guess you can believe they made it up if you want.
The cable, sent via the State Department’s confidential dissent channel, warned of rapid territorial gains by the Taliban and the subsequent collapse of Afghan security forces, and offered recommendations on ways to mitigate the crisis and speed up an evacuation, the two people said.
The cable, dated July 13, also called for the State Department to use tougher language in describing the atrocities being committed by the Taliban, one of the people said.
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 07:58 PM
You heard it hear folks, literally nobody here can have an opinion on homelessness, we must all take Gwaihir's word for any and all potential problems and solutions related to it.
Someone just acknowledged experiencing it firsthand and instead of asking them questions, you chose to use the opportunity to be hyperbolic, to be argumentative when others are interested in having a debate.
Horza
08-19-2021, 07:59 PM
Fake news fake news!
Murdoch-owned publications are sensationalist garbage, don't forget they got us into this mess in the first place.
Ravager
08-19-2021, 08:05 PM
If you defend the rioters, before you argue any more, just stop and think and answer this question: "Why were they there?"
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 08:07 PM
Murdoch-owned publications are sensationalist garbage, don't forget they got us into this mess in the first place.
Well that they may have, but what news is ok?
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 08:20 PM
If you defend the rioters, before you argue any more, just stop and think and answer this question: "Why were they there?"
Can you point out where someone is defending the rioters?
Pointing out that they didn’t have guns, maybe because they were too stupid to bring guns for all I know, is not defending the rioters
Pointing out that no one was murdered is simply stating a fact. Another fact is that they trespassed in a federal building, which they are currently in jail for
I’m saying that the “insurrection” on Jan 6 is nothing like an actual insurrection in Afghanistan. Dems just love to use the term because it sounds so serious and provocative. But I’m glad you called it a riot, because that’s a lot more accurate of a description, you seem to have a good understanding of it
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 08:23 PM
These rioters are mostly peaceful protestors
These rioters are insurrectionists
It's dumb and bad gaslighting.
Ravager
08-19-2021, 08:24 PM
Can you point out where someone is defending the rioters?
Pointing out that they didn’t have guns, maybe because they were too stupid to bring guns for all I know, is not defending the rioters
Pointing out that no one was murdered is simply stating a fact. Another fact is that they trespassed in a federal building, which they are currently in jail for
I’m saying that the “insurrection” on Jan 6 is nothing like an actual insurrection in Afghanistan. Dems just love to use the term because it sounds so serious and provocative. But I’m glad you called it a riot, because that’s a lot more accurate of a description, you seem to have a good understanding of it
The intent was to overturn the election and overthrow government, so yeah, it was insurrection, no matter how stupidly incompetent it was. That was the point of the exercise I proposed.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 08:38 PM
I think it's wrong to say that the riot at the capitol had intent, I think it was just a mob doing what a mob does and though some people had intent to overturn the election, others just wanted anarchy, others wanted to go protest, but like the mostly peaceful protests before it, it became a riot.
Ravager
08-19-2021, 08:40 PM
Did you even see any of the video? It goes beyond protest immediately.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 08:40 PM
The intent was to overturn the election and overthrow government, so yeah, it was insurrection, no matter how stupidly incompetent it was. That was the point of the exercise I proposed.
Where did they state that intention? How was breaking into the building going to overturn the election? All I heard was that they didn’t feel the election was fair. Why are they not being charged with treason or any more serious crimes for an insurrection? Gonna have to cite some sources documenting their stated intentions. I’m big on sources
Not saying it’s not accurate, just saying I don’t believe it
Edit: That is, unless you are implying that anyone who breaks into a federal building is trying to overthrow the government. In which case we have a LOT of insurrections that have occurred
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 08:46 PM
That is, unless you are implying that anyone who breaks into a federal building is trying to overthrow the government. In which case we have a LOT of insurrections that have occurred
Ravager
08-19-2021, 08:49 PM
Where did they state that intention? How was breaking into the building going to overturn the election? All I heard was that they didn’t feel the election was fair. Why are they not being charged with treason or any more serious crimes for an insurrection? Gonna have to cite some sources documenting their stated intentions. I’m big on sources
Not saying it’s not accurate, just saying I don’t believe it
Edit: That is, unless you are implying that anyone who breaks into a federal building is trying to overthrow the government. In which case we have a LOT of insurrections that have occurred
Why do you think they were there?
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 08:55 PM
Did you even see any of the video? It goes beyond protest immediately.
It didn't go beyond the 100 days of mostly peaceful protests that led up to it, or any other countries protests have gone in the last 4 or 5 years by a long shot.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:00 PM
Why do you think they were there?
You asking me? Does my opinion affect what they are going to be charged with? (Hint: it’s not insurrection). I believe they were protesting an election they didn’t feel fair. I also didn’t feel the election was fair, does that make me an insurrectionist? If I break into a USPS post office would that make me one? It’s a federal building
Did you know that the black panther party broke into the California capital building years ago with guns and weren’t labeled as insurrectionists? It was labeled as a demonstration (https://capitolweekly.net/black-panthers-armed-capitol/). Check it out
Jan 6 was a protest turned into a riot where some members decided to trespass in a federal building, although there are videos of cops letting them in that I’ve seen. That’s what they are being charged with, that I’ve seen thus far
Ravager
08-19-2021, 09:01 PM
It didn't go beyond the 100 days of mostly peaceful protests that led up to it, or any other countries protests have gone in the last 4 or 5 years by a long shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVPSYr-xG6s
Yep. Peaceful.
Ravager
08-19-2021, 09:03 PM
You asking me? Does my opinion affect what they are going to be charged with? (Hint: it’s not insurrection). I believe they were protesting an election they didn’t feel fair. I also didn’t feel the election was fair, does that make me an insurrectionist? If I break into a USPS post office would that make me one? It’s a federal building
Did you know that the black panther party broke into the California capital building years ago with guns and weren’t labeled as insurrectionists? It was labeled as a demonstration (https://capitolweekly.net/black-panthers-armed-capitol/). Check it out
It was a protest where some members decided to trespass in a federal building, although there are videos of cops letting them in that I’ve seen. That’s what they are being charged with, that I’ve seen thus far
You're arguing, yet you don't want to submit an opinion? Then what are you arguing about? Why do you think they were there? What was their objective? And what would it have looked like if they achieved that objective that day?
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:06 PM
You're arguing, yet you don't want to submit an opinion? Then what are you arguing about? Why do you think they were there? What was their objective? And what would it have looked like if they achieved that objective that day?
Do you not know how to read? You literally copied my opinion without bothering to read it
Here I’ll say it again: “ It was a protest where some members decided to trespass in a federal building, although there are videos of cops letting them in that I’ve seen”
That’s why I think they were there, because they wanted to break into a federal building, and possibly steal some shit, which some of them did. What was their objective? HTF am I going to know that without talking to them or reading their minds?
Their objective initially was to protest, and that protest got out of control and involved breaking and entering, vandalism, and theft. And that’s what they are being charged with
Ravager
08-19-2021, 09:11 PM
Do you not know how to read? You literally copied my opinion without bothering to read it
Here I’ll say it again: “ It was a protest where some members decided to trespass in a federal building, although there are videos of cops letting them in that I’ve seen”
That’s why I think they were there, because they wanted to break into a federal building, and possibly steal some shit, which some of them did. What was their objective? HTF am I going to know that without talking to them or reading their minds?
Their objective initially was to protest, and that protest got out of control and involved breaking and entering, vandalism, and theft. And that’s what they are being charged with
You should watch more videos of what actually happened and form a more informed opinion. Hint: It didn't happen that way.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:14 PM
You should watch more videos of what actually happened and form a more informed opinion. Hint: It didn't happen that way.
Still no sources presented. You haven’t provided a single source on their intentions or what “really happened”. So I call complete bullshit
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 09:19 PM
Ahh so then you agree, that in some situations someone who is not native to the land perhaps might be more qualified to comment on Afghanistan.
More qualified than who? More qualified than one person or some people? Sure, that may very well be the case, but not all people.
I said Afghans. I chose my words carefully because it was said earlier that the Lt. Commander was more qualified than "anyone, anywhere" which is hard to accept in any context. Regardless of who we are talking about, very few people in history fit that criteria.
As mentioned before, a group with shared knowledge/experiences can offer more credible information overall. One person may be of exceptional value, depending on how experienced they are, but generally the more first-person accounts the better.
Thanks for realizing that it was wrong to say that the people of Afghanistan are more qualified than a US commander to comment about Afghanistan.
"Lief Erikson was more qualified to comment about America than the people of Turtle Island..." is basically what you are saying, which is not a reasonable argument.
I just wanted that single point to be clear, it is wrong to assume he knows less about the situation, life in Afghanistan, or the people, because he is not from there.
So than, the next GM on blue should be from EQ live?
The assumption wasn't that he knew less, but that he knew more than anyone, anywhere; that assumption was not one I made, I merely questioned its validity. Can one foreigner be more knowledgeable about an entire country than all of the people within its borders? The answer is a resounding no, unless maybe it's the world's smallest country but according to Google that happens to be Vatican City.
Its like saying non americans cant comment on american politics, or what would be better for us, you could see with the naked eye from jupiter what would be better for most americans. That dont make them say they are gonig to do it!
Please indicate where it was said that foreigners shouldn't comment on the region or that they weren't qualified to speak on matters abroad. If even a single sentence alludes to that, it was poorly written. But in following up after the fact, I actually said go to the source itself to learn firsthand, which the person in question did on numerous tours. However, most every group lives in its own bubble, with militaries being no exception. Hollywood. Tourists. Politicians. Karens. Middle-aged elf nerds. The difference is, those in the military often express greater difficulty in trying to assimilate back into civilian life, though some players on p99 would likely face difficulties of their own too. What is a sock if not a receptacle for poop? How do earthquakes happen IRL if there are no dragons?
And to bring the dicussion back around to homelessness again...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless_veterans_in_the_United_States
https://www.stripes.com/veterans/2021-07-28/homeless-veterans-legislation-eviction-moratorium-coronavirus-pandemic-2346395.html
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:20 PM
Here’s some pics from inside the capital. FUCKING MAYHEM
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:26 PM
Now let’s compare to the black panther “demonstration” within the California capital building, shall we?
Which one looks more serious to you?
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 09:31 PM
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Jibartik
08-19-2021, 09:33 PM
Yep. Peaceful.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/27/us/portland-protests-proud-boys-antifa-blm/index.html
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/blm-protests-peaceful-report-trnd/index.html
https://i.imgur.com/3q22tEC.png
Im not saying that either is peaceful but one of us is saying that one of them is and the other is an insurrection.
They are the same thing. Riots. =/= insurrection.
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 09:34 PM
I did not hear about this. Suicides? Did you not see the autopsy reports?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/07/capitol-riot-deaths-cause-death-released-4-5-not-sicknick/7128040002/
Natural causes, natural causes, accidental overdose, and the one named Brian Siknick was ruled as stroke:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes-after-riot-n1264562
Where the F did you hear suicide? You talk to Hillary Clinton?
He was referring to the capitol police officers that committed suicide in the wake of Jan 6.
These rioters are mostly peaceful protestors
These rioters are insurrectionists
It's dumb and bad gaslighting.
a revolution is a successful insurrection.
we're storming the capitol it's a revolution
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Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 09:40 PM
Now let’s compare to the black panther “demonstration” within the California capital building, shall we?
Which one looks more serious to you?
as I recall, their houses got blown up and their leaders all died.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:47 PM
He was referring to the capitol police officers that committed suicide in the wake of Jan 6.
Source? This is news to me
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:49 PM
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Good footage. Skimmed it. Lotta yelling. No weapons that I could see. A large crowd walking around inside the capital. Some news crew equipment got vandalized/destroyed looks like
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:51 PM
He was referring to the capitol police officers that committed suicide in the wake of Jan 6.
a revolution is a successful insurrection.
Think that crying girl who got maced was their leader maybe? I like the homemade editing effects at the end of that video, someone got excited with their video editor
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 09:52 PM
Source? This is news to me
I'm not surprised. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e)
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:53 PM
So if there is a crowd of 50,000 people protesting, and one of them is a crying girl who says we’re here to kill the president, does that make all 50,000 of them assassins?
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 09:53 PM
Think that crying girl who got maced was their leader maybe? I like the homemade editing effects at the end of that video, someone got excited with their video editor
Nope just a rank and file reader/follower of that donald website Nirgon likes so much.
I remember their adverts for Jan 6 prior to the event - Be there. Be Wild!
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:58 PM
I'm not surprised. (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/dc-police-officer-suicide-kyle-defreytag-defended-us-capitol-on-january-6/65-fb00a7ff-1884-46ee-819a-448e2f55a61e)
Your story is dated August 2, 2021, that is a few weeks ago
The capital riot was Jan 6th, 2021
That is 8 months later. Odd, yes. But a little distanced time-wise. Any chance this might be related to the high amount of stress police in general are getting from non-stop liberal negative propaganda about them?
How many other police officers do you think have committed suicide in the last 8 months? Probably at least a few, right? How many police officers do you think there are in the United States at a time? Hundreds of thousands? How many of those have completed suicide since Jan 6th? I imagine it has to be dozens, what’s the suicide rate for civilians these days?
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 09:59 PM
Nope just a rank and file reader/follower of that donald website Nirgon likes so much.
I remember their adverts for Jan 6 prior to the event - Be there. Be Wild!
Wow you sure they didn’t say “INSURRECTION Jan 6. We are going to overthrow the United States government”?
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 10:01 PM
I remember their adverts for Jan 6 prior to the event - Be there. Be Wild!
https://i.imgur.com/giEHwWJ.png
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 10:03 PM
Your story is dated August 2, 2021, that is a few weeks ago
The capital riot was Jan 6th, 2021
That is 8 months later. Odd, yes. But a little distanced time-wise. Any chance this might be related to the high amount of stress police in general are getting from non-stop liberal negative propaganda about them?
How many other police officers do you think have committed suicide in the last 8 months? Probably at least a few, right? How many police officers do you think there are in the United States at a time? Hundreds of thousands? How many of those have completed suicide since Jan 6th? I imagine it has to be dozens, what’s the suicide rate for civilians these days?
Odd but I heard about it back then and remember it. Sorry you don't got CNN.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 10:04 PM
Odd but I heard about it back then and remember it. Sorry you don't got CNN.
What is the time of death for the 4?
Thorgrimm
08-19-2021, 10:09 PM
Biden's Exit Strategy from Afghanistan
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Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 10:09 PM
What is the time of death for the 4?
You're wasting my time, ghoul. (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/police-officers-suicide-capitol-riot/index.html)
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 10:17 PM
You're wasting my time, ghoul. (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/police-officers-suicide-capitol-riot/index.html)
So now it’s 2 not 4? I believe I found some dates of capital police suicides of July 29 and July 10th, that’s 6 months later, correct?
So two were shortly after and 2 were at least 6 months later?
Once again, how many police officers are there in the US at a time? How many who aren’t capital officers could have completed suicide in the last 7 months do you estimate
Some facts:
1. Police always have access to a lethal means to complete suicide (gun)
2. There has been a non-stop barrage of liberal propaganda painting police as racist murderers for the past, what, more than a year?
3. There has been a National push to move funding from police to social services which might impact available support for police officers
I wouldn’t read too much into it, but if you want to conspiracy theorize, be my guest, Alex Jones
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 10:20 PM
So now it’s 2 not 4? I believe I found some dates of capital police suicides of July 29 and July 10th, that’s 6 months later, correct?
So two were shortly after and 2 were at least 7 months later?
Once again, how many police officers are there in the US at a time? How many who aren’t capital officers could have completed suicide in the last 7 months do you estimate
Some facts:
1. Police always have access to a lethal means to complete suicide (gun)
2. There has been a non-stop barrage of liberal propaganda painting police as racist murderers for the past, what, more than a year?
3. There has been a National push to move funding from police to social services which might impact available support for police officers
I wouldn’t read too much into it, but if you want to conspiracy theorize, be my guest, Alex Jones
4 officers who responded to the capitol insurrection. Use less words to admit I'm right next time.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 10:22 PM
4 officers who responded to the capitol insurrection. Use less words to admit I'm right next time.
Right about what exactly? The fact that police are committing suicide? I already offered multiple reasons as to why that might be, can you read?
Thorgrimm
08-19-2021, 10:23 PM
4 officers who responded to the capitol insurrection. Use less words to admit I'm right next time.
No cops on Jan 6 were killed by mostly peaceful protesters as far as I'm aware
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 10:24 PM
BIG NEWS: In the past 7 months, multiple firefighters and construction workers have committed suicide
They are being murdered! It’s all a big conspiracy!
Lol we got some serious conspiracy theorists on this forum
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 10:25 PM
Right about what exactly? The fact that police are committing suicide? I already offered multiple reasons as to why that might be, can you read?
the 4 thing, like you just proved 2 posts ago. dingus!
funding cuts haven't taken effect yet afaik
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 10:26 PM
BIG NEWS: In the past 7 months, multiple firefighters and construction workers have committed suicide
They are being murdered! It’s all a big conspiracy!
Lol we got some serious conspiracy theorists on this forum
7 firefighters in a single jurisdiction? foh
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 10:28 PM
the 4 thing, like you just proved 2 posts ago. dingus!
funding cuts haven't taken effect yet afaik
The negative publicity certainly has. Do you know how much fucking hate cops had to get from people they are interacting with even before they were described as racists by the media?
And what are you suggesting exactly? That they were murdered because they were involved in Jan 6th? I have no idea what their personal lives were like or their mental health history, therefore I have no idea why they completed suicide
What exactly is the conspiracy you are alluding to?
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 10:30 PM
The negative publicity certainly has. Do you know how much fucking hate cops had to get from people they are interacting with even before they were described as racists by the media?
And what are you suggesting exactly? That they were murdered because they were involved in Jan 6th? I have no idea what their personal lives were like or their mental health history, therefore I have no idea why they completed suicide
What exactly is the conspiracy you are alluding to?
K you're trolling. Conservatives these days love making excuse for death.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 10:32 PM
K you're trolling. Conservatives these days love making excuse for death.
Lolol, excuses for deaths? The REASON for death was suicide. Why did they complete suicide? Can you tell me? What information are you basing that on again?
Or are you saying they were murdered in some conspiracy? So police investigated the deaths and missed the murdered part? Or the investigators were in on the plan? Lol you are the resurrection of Alex Jones
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 10:36 PM
Anyway, the election beef became invalid the second they used violence.
Perhaps that was the point.
unsunghero
08-19-2021, 10:40 PM
Anyway, the election beef became invalid the second they used violence.
Police care quite a bit when their own die. Quite a bit more than you fucking liberals care, which is not at all, but it’s cute to see one pretending to. I guarantee you those deaths were investigated and ESPECIALLY investigated when it was multiple members from the same area
So either it really was due to personal reasons or it was some grand conspiracy where even the investigators were in on it
Basically, peddle your nutjob shit somewhere else, because I’m not buying what you’re selling, sorry
cd288
08-19-2021, 11:23 PM
At least I know how home buying works, unlike you who thinks people just buy their homes with cash all at once. And I live in AZ, I’ve said numerous times on this forum
The reality is you didn’t identify specific anything about my post that gives any indication of IQ. You are just another whiny libtard who doesn’t like my politics. And no I don’t believe you know a bunch of low IQ people, and anonymous people on the internet don’t count. I don’t believe you know many people at all. I don’t believe you venture outside your home much if at all. I believe you are a whiny piece of shit keyboard warrior who no one would miss if you died, or even notice until the smell from the shithole you live in alerted the neighbors
But hey, I’m just inferring like you did
Well you’re right I did buy my two (used to be three) residences with all cash because I can. Are you bragging about needing to take out a mortgage?
At any rate, some people enjoy being a big fish in a small pond. You seem to be one of them. And if that makes you happy then go for it!
Trexller
08-19-2021, 11:33 PM
Anyway, the election beef became invalid the second they used violence.
What violence, dipshit? Yeah, i went there, dumbass.
What cities on fire? BLM
what businesses destroyed? BLM
what people beaten on the streets unless they speak: "BLM"
what highways blocked, only passing drivers who say: BLM
what police wounded and hospitalized because fireworks went off in their face.
what IED incendiaries thrown into buildings? portland pussies did that.
That was a level 3 security building in which police removed barricades, and unlocked doors, in some cases holding them open for people to pass.
What attempt to hold the building was made?
Insurrection? Thats called an unguided tour.
I'll show you a mother fucking insurrection, dumbass.
https://i.imgur.com/Z8kCLM7.jpeg
Horza
08-19-2021, 11:48 PM
We already know that BLM is a Trumptard's answer to literally any question.
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 11:49 PM
What violence, dipshit? Yeah, i went there, dumbass.
But did you go here (https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence) is the question.
Trexller
08-19-2021, 11:52 PM
We already know that BLM is a Trumptard's answer to literally any question.
BLM is only an answer for:
This group, invented by social media technocrats, was responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars of destruction, hundreds of wounded, and several deaths across America in 2020.
"Who is Black Lives Matter, Alex"
RIP Alex.
Whats your answer, BLM boot licker?
Trexller
08-19-2021, 11:55 PM
But did you go here (https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence) is the question.
Really, FBI as a non-biased, credible source? This agency has been among the most corrupt of U.S. institutions since it's inception. Blackmail was a way of life for J. Edgar Chickenhawk.
Shove your head back in that hole, ostrich.
Jibartik
08-19-2021, 11:56 PM
If you work at the capitol, what reason do you kill yourself because of Jan 6? Shame? Like they are Ronin? Self sacrificing as martyrs to shame us all?
Scared of people rioting into their bedroom every night? Trauma? What happened to its part of the job? Why hasn’t AOC killed herself the we’re coming to rape her on Jan 6th she says. Janitors and secretaries I’d expect would make up the brunt of these suicides.
why? Did Jan 6th cause these suicides?
Whale biologist
08-19-2021, 11:57 PM
BLM rioters suck, MAGA rioters suck.
Ennewi
08-19-2021, 11:58 PM
Really, FBI as a non-biased, credible source? This agency has been among the most corrupt of U.S. institutions since it's inception. Blackmail was a way of life for J. Edgar Chickenhawk.
Shove your head back in that hole, ostrich.
https://kids.nationalgeographic.com/nature/article/animal-myths-busted
Continue though. You were educating everyone...
Trexller
08-20-2021, 12:07 AM
https://kids.nationalgeographic.com/nature/article/animal-myths-busted
Continue though. You were educating everyone...
everyone knows that. its called a colloquial figure of speech, for those unfamiliar with American english vernacular.
Next.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 12:07 AM
BLM rioters suck, MAGA rioters suck.
Yea but only one is an insurrection at and the other is mostly peaceful. It’s total bull honkey.
I feel so much more shame as an American because of those 100 days of riots in our towns and cities than I do for some monument.
Trexller
08-20-2021, 12:12 AM
Yea but only one is an insurrection at and the other is mostly peaceful. It’s total bull honkey.
I feel so much more shame as an American because of those 100 days of riots in our towns and cities than I do for some monument.
100 days? it ran for like a year since that in and out jailbird career criminal accidentally died in police custody.
They should have picked an upstanding, respectable man for their martyr.
Whale biologist
08-20-2021, 12:15 AM
Yea but only one is an insurrection at and the other is mostly peaceful. It’s total bull honkey.
Which is which depends on who you listen to. :p
They can all join Reinoehl and Rittenhouse in Hell, imo.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 12:26 AM
As someone who basically gets off on watching videos of people fighting and rioting, I can attest that in my long time on this earth what we saw last year is fair to call unprecedented and scary. But dismissing it and saying the other one is a full blown insurrection is down right batshit crazy.
Talk to me and you'll get "they were both riots over the same shit"
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 12:33 AM
Biden armed the insurrection in Afghanistan
Probably on purpose
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 12:39 AM
everyone knows that. its called a colloquial figure of speech, for those unfamiliar with American english vernacular.
Next.
It's called an idiom, not a colloquialism.
https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-idioms-and-vs-colloquialisms/
Trexller
08-20-2021, 12:45 AM
It's called an idiom, not a colloquialism.
https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-idioms-and-vs-colloquialisms/
yeah i don't click links in places like this. i don't enjoy meatspin redirects like you do.
Maybe you're right. English isn't even my first language, but I still speak it better than 90% of you.
How much korean do you speak bro? Why do you gotta pick people who primarily speak other languages?
Racist.
#takeyourownmedicine
#stopasianhate
Whale biologist
08-20-2021, 12:55 AM
https://i.imgur.com/QyP4IcH.png
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 01:03 AM
yeah i don't click links in places like this. i don't enjoy meatspin redirects like you do.
Maybe you're right. English isn't even my first language, but I still speak it better than 90% of you.
How much korean do you speak bro? Why do you gotta pick people who primarily speak other languages?
Racist.
#takeyourownmedicine
#stopasianhate
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Trexller
08-20-2021, 01:15 AM
previous post
lol nice. my favorite sitcom EVER
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Yeah sure i could google it, and i probably will, but you know, mental images. you're welcome.
Gwaihir
08-20-2021, 01:17 AM
These rioters are mostly peaceful protestors
These rioters are insurrectionists
It's dumb and bad gaslighting.
Yes and no. The violence imposed by the will of BLM is borne of being Actually and Demonstrably deplatformed. The implied threat of violence by the right is a response to the perceived threat of being platformed.
One is a response to absolutes. The other is a threatened response to the threat of absolutes.
Both are equally proportional to actuality.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 01:24 AM
I hate it when people try to convince me that BLM is organized or has a singular mission or goal. It was practically born out of a protest as it turned into a riot, whatever it think's it is isnt accurate, it is a mix of all kinds of things.
BLM probubly is a protest group
Antifa is a counter protest group
Anarchists are just there to destroy the entire country and see what happens
Fred just wants to watch people go ape shit
The riots, are made up of all kinds of people, BLM wasn't the riots, they were the protest, the people there of all types were the riots.
Same for Jan 6th, some went there to protest, some went to counter protest the counter protestors, some went to destroy the country and see what happens, and some just went to see people go ape shit.
The same goes for the other side, both are made up of angry Americans, both are identical mirror images of each other and both are born from the same societal breakdown.
Neither are anything more than riots.
We could debate the minutia of the cause of said riots till the end times is over and never get to the bottom of it beyond, our society is collapsing. Hopefully we put it back together before we go too far!
hobart
08-20-2021, 01:25 AM
People who assisted the US military are being literally tortured right now. Tens of thousands of US citizens are stranded there right now fearing for their lives. A 12 year old could have come up with a better exit strategy than Biden did. He knows how bad he fucked up, which is why he is back to hiding in his fucking basement not taking any questions for the past week
It's nice to see someone acknowledge how disgraceful it is that we let bureaucracy prevent us from honoring our debt to the interpreters and afghans who worked at our embassy posts and bases. It is sickening.
Only slightly less sickening are the partisan hacks who are outraged over this, but were quiet when Donald Trump abandoned almost two decades of diplomacy and let Erdogan massacre the Kurds we had made similar promises to.
Feel free to link to your posts showing how a 12 year old could have handled that situation better.
Gwaihir
08-20-2021, 01:35 AM
If you defend the rioters, before you argue any more, just stop and think and answer this question: "Why were they there?"
I know that (((((!!!!! I. ???)))) Did not take time off work and incur the expense to go down to capitol hill on Jan 6th to insurrect, because (((!!! I. ???))) understood the threat of deplatformation as being perspective, and even if it was ACTUAL it was actual for the point of balance.
Righteous is not a matter of majority support, or the balance point of the power differential.
Right is right and wrong is wrong, independent of majority opinion.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 01:37 AM
Feel free to link to your posts showing how a 12 year old could have handled that situation better.
https://youtu.be/nzQnQlOfe1k?t=250
Gwaihir
08-20-2021, 01:39 AM
The intent was to overturn the election and overthrow government, so yeah, it was insurrection, no matter how stupidly incompetent it was. That was the point of the exercise I proposed.
"Government" has overstepped their bounds though. As a denizen of the left, you cannot say "government" has not overstepped their bounds, unless you dismiss BLM to do so. Just because the right is wrong doesn't mean the left is right.
The left is right.
I mean, you gotta be fucking retarded to make that distinction, don't you?
Gwaihir
08-20-2021, 01:44 AM
As the pinnacle of human evolution, you'd best believe, the only time I'm gonna pull out of Afghanistan, is AFTER I've impregnated her with my superior Aryan seed. Persian women can be tantazingly hot, the contrasts speak volumes, but then again I'm speaking to godless heathens, so what do I gno.
I suppose from Patriums perspective that why he fetishizes Latino women.
Y'all have no taste for differentiation despite choosing to manifest here.
I married a Jewess, despite being 100% isreali... What do I know.
y'all ngmi
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 02:19 AM
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Horza
08-20-2021, 02:35 AM
GOP Rep. Mo Brooks released a statement about the bomb plot against the Capitol saying, in regards to the suspect, "I understand citizenry anger."
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 02:40 AM
I heard majorie taylor green called the president a peace of shit today? lol god damn I love the tribulation.
Mesocyclone
08-20-2021, 06:43 AM
15,000 Americans left behind in Afghanistan. COVID/Delta are affecting even the vaccinated. Schools were made mandatory to attend In person - now 20,000 kids in Mississippi have been quarantined. Biden should have issued orders for At-Home-Classes as soon as Delta emerged on the scene. Pot is still Federally illegal. Democrats control the congress AND the Presidency and pot is still illegal. Always will be - they're selling -big pharma antidepressants - (that don't work) and opioids (that work).
The Mexican border is a giant failure. The Mexican drug cartels run it now. Biden has made the border control agents virtually powerless.
Gwaihir
08-20-2021, 06:46 AM
If I need to come up with a song title or an album title, I'm coming to this meso dude, he d
Fucks. You can tell.
starkind
08-20-2021, 07:53 AM
u cant slay a god lol
not without slaying everyone who believes in them and removing every record and trace and even still then dead gods can be resurrected from fragments and chance circumstances because the godhead itself will remember
really just not worth it to try and kill gods
starkind
08-20-2021, 07:55 AM
As the pinnacle of human evolution, you'd best believe, the only time I'm gonna pull out of Afghanistan, is AFTER I've impregnated her with my superior Aryan seed. Persian women can be tantazingly hot, the contrasts speak volumes, but then again I'm speaking to godless heathens, so what do I gno.
I suppose from Patriums perspective that why he fetishizes Latino women.
Y'all have no taste for differentiation despite choosing to manifest here.
I married a Jewess, despite being 100% isreali... What do I know.
y'all ngmi
ya better just to give them kids and music that believes in other gods or w/e
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 10:29 AM
Enewi look this guy says 11 year olds are what make afganastans happy, better listen to him cus he's from the area.
https://i.imgur.com/M58XOoZ.png
Andrei Chikatilo
08-20-2021, 10:40 AM
You're welcome, folks.
He speaks on Twitter to the Taliban now. Instead of here.
Showing them pictures and teaching them "cucked" and "based".
Now this entire site is on a LIST.
My God what have you have done.
Mesocyclone
08-20-2021, 10:48 AM
China has supplied weapons and logistical support to the Taliban for decades, and American presidents have ignored Beijing’s ties to the group, even when those weapons were used against American and NATO forces.
China’s embassy in Kabul has remained open in recent days, a sign Beijing worked out an arrangement with the Taliban during the swift failure of the Afghan government.
Whale biologist
08-20-2021, 10:49 AM
Now this entire site is on a LIST.
Put me down for 1 spook gf. Chubby is ok if she has a nice personality! :)
Mesocyclone
08-20-2021, 10:54 AM
So Biden pulled out because his handlers (Beijing) wanted Afghanistan.
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 10:55 AM
Feel free to link to your posts showing how a 12 year old could have handled that situation better.
15435
Mesocyclone
08-20-2021, 10:57 AM
@ Jibartik ever heard of Predictive Programming? Check out the 1989 WWE Tag Team Championship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLkeUmgY1cc
cd288
08-20-2021, 11:08 AM
I hate it when people try to convince me that BLM is organized or has a singular mission or goal. It was practically born out of a protest as it turned into a riot, whatever it think's it is isnt accurate, it is a mix of all kinds of things.
BLM probubly is a protest group
Antifa is a counter protest group
Anarchists are just there to destroy the entire country and see what happens
Fred just wants to watch people go ape shit
The riots, are made up of all kinds of people, BLM wasn't the riots, they were the protest, the people there of all types were the riots.
Same for Jan 6th, some went there to protest, some went to counter protest the counter protestors, some went to destroy the country and see what happens, and some just went to see people go ape shit.
The same goes for the other side, both are made up of angry Americans, both are identical mirror images of each other and both are born from the same societal breakdown.
Neither are anything more than riots.
We could debate the minutia of the cause of said riots till the end times is over and never get to the bottom of it beyond, our society is collapsing. Hopefully we put it back together before we go too far!
Well I agree and disagree. There is certainly the BLM "idea" that is not an organization.
But there is also an actual legally existing organization called BLM and that does have very targeted goals around certain political agendas (mostly very left wing stuff).
That's why I have a difficult time getting behind BLM. Because while I certainly support racial equality and can understand why people have the complaints/concerns that they do, behind some of this is the actual BLM organization with political ideals/goals that go way beyond just the idea of racial equality.
Samoht
08-20-2021, 11:23 AM
Thread seems like somebody just regurgitating Republican talking points they heard on a morning talk show.
15,000 Americans left behind in Afghanistan.
This was not Biden's war. This is Bush/Cheney's war that was perpetuated by congress, Obama, and Trump. US should have pulled out a long time ago. Big grats to Biden for finally taking care of business. Glad to see someone can finally take the L and move on.
COVID/Delta are affecting even the vaccinated. Schools were made mandatory to attend In person - now 20,000 kids in Mississippi have been quarantined. Biden should have issued orders for At-Home-Classes as soon as Delta emerged on the scene.
Education is run on a state level. You need to blame covid deniers in Mississippi for any failures seen there.
Pot is still Federally illegal. Democrats control the congress AND the Presidency and pot is still illegal. Always will be - they're selling -big pharma antidepressants - (that don't work) and opioids (that work).
This is a bipartisan issue and all of our politicians are equally to blame for this one. They are all bought out by pharma and alcohol to prevent spread of pot. Specifically calling out democrats is asinine. Republicans are historically moving slower on this issue than them.
The Mexican border is a giant failure. The Mexican drug cartels run it now. Biden has made the border control agents virtually powerless.
It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about here. There's no issue at the Mexican border. This is just a republican boogieman created to distract you from the fact that they're overcharging you in taxes and failing to provide any services with those taxes while the fat cats at both the state and federal levels just scratch each others backs.
And you've fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 11:33 AM
Well I agree and disagree. There is certainly the BLM "idea" that is not an organization.
But there is also an actual legally existing organization called BLM and that does have very targeted goals around certain political agendas (mostly very left wing stuff).
That's why I have a difficult time getting behind BLM. Because while I certainly support racial equality and can understand why people have the complaints/concerns that they do, behind some of this is the actual BLM organization with political ideals/goals that go way beyond just the idea of racial equality.
hehe thats why I put that keyword 'probably' a protest group didn't want to imply it wasn't, but didn't want to say it was.
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 11:59 AM
This was not Biden's war.
Joe Biden was VP for 8 years of the war and he voted for it
Gwaihir
08-20-2021, 12:18 PM
He speaks on Twitter to the Taliban now. Instead of here.
Showing them pictures and teaching them "cucked" and "based".
Now this entire site is on a LIST.
My God what have you have done.
Good. We will spread the Truth of Truth to the four corners. I have been on a LIST since elementary school.
In fact, when my perspective changes on any given matter, the entire universe shifts to reflect my evolving understanding....
T. Nobody
Gustoo
08-20-2021, 01:23 PM
If you're talking about Cannabis in California it is because there has been such a strong market for out of state weed in places that have legalized, that good california growers can price wherever they want.
Prices are down though from the same time last year, which is good news for white market enterprises and general white market consumers.
Also, if you think good cannabis is like growing corn or tobacco you're totally clueless. Low quality junk can grow pretty easily, but good quality cannabis takes an incredible amount of care and patience.
Regarding democrats vs republicans, anyone who thinks there is a significant divide between them is fooling themselves. They sell you down the river 10/10 times they get the opportunity to do so. Afghanistan happened because they were able to generate the political will in USA and internationally to take over a country. The defense industry and the people they pay off generated a zillion dollars from this. Everyone else on the planet loses. Mission accomplished.
When you ask yourself "Why in gods name would anyone be stupid enough to let chinese foreign investors purchase homes all over vancouver with our own money" the answer is that someone more important than you profited greatly, and they don't give a shit about destroying your local economy and community, aka selling you down the river.
If you ask yourself "Why in gods name is the housing "crisis" still a "crisis" it is because people more important than you continue to profit greatly from the current situation. The USA subsidizes home loans that are designed to make it possible for regular joe to buy a house instead of USA being full of land barons. What do banks do? Give home loans to people that already own homes because they are lower risk. these second / third / forth home loans are in fact business loans given at subsidized home loan rates to would be (and actually) mini land barons that then go on to complain about how hard it is to be a land lord LOL.
These policies are easy to correct, but why would your senator correct them when they are doing so well under the status quo?
Meanwhile inventing reasons for the regular victim citizen to hate one another.
Good stuff.
Afghanistan, we got involved like a bunch of idiots because a bunch of other idiots wanted to cash in on it, and did.
USA takes a huge hit for being the same dumb toolbag USSR was and everyone else previously, but powerful people consider themselves stateless and don't give a shit.
Just don't let these fucks convince you to kill and rat out your neighbor and you will be OK. Loving your neighbor is the only way you can stop this, because the rich don't have enough actual allies to do their bidding. You have to be tricked into doing it by hating your neighbor or some weird looking guy or whoever else. Choose to love the person that the wealth man is trying to convince you to hate, don't be cucked by your closeted lizard man oppressor and we will all be OK.
And you don't have to love people because they are good, just because they are people. They have all the same feelings and dumb aspirations that you do. If they are deranged you feel sorry for them and care for them because their mind is fucked up.
They want to convince you that there is some aspect of a meritocracy in the USA or anywhere in the world, because they really want to believe that they deserve the things that they have tricked and weedled out of the hands of the people they have robbed. Or, that they didn't just get lucky, which happens a lot. They tell themselves and their friends that they have earned it and develop reasons to feel miserable too so they can be just like you. Thats why rich people have such ridiculous drama. They need it to feel like a justified human being "its so hard being me, also!" not that they have any risk of not eating or sleeping comfortably or being stuck in an unsafe area unsupported or anything like that. They just create some mental misery so they can feel OK with having much much much much more than they need. For not helping when they could help.
It's literally like a fat fuck laying on a couch while his wife and 5 year old child clean up after a huge debauched rager, and the fat fuck has a magical "instant clean" button but won't hit it because his wife and 5 year old child need to earn the clean home by doing it themselves, because he earned the button he stole by stealing it the old fashioned way and maybe if he presses the button too many times it might get sticky or something so he doesn't want to risk it.
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 01:34 PM
Lol
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 01:39 PM
“Ya’ll got any more of those free weapons?”
The Taliban terrorists now have more Apache attack helicopters than all but the biggest countries on planet earth lol
Tens of thousands of US Citizens stranded in Afghanistan hiding for their lives
Afghan citizens who helped the US military currently being tortured
WTG BIDEN! Your exit strategy was brilliant!
Whale biologist
08-20-2021, 01:53 PM
In the end, they were greeted as liberators. :(
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 01:55 PM
Enewi look this guy says 11 year olds are what make afganastans happy, better listen to him cus he's from the area.
https://i.imgur.com/M58XOoZ.png
The information received from those native to a region will likely tell you more than any book or news segment. It's hardly controversial to say as much. And it has nothing to do with condoning or supporting the actions of every single person in a given location. Rather, it has everything to do with understanding the culture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 01:59 PM
At least now the fat blue haired women on Twitter will be able to once again see what real oppression of women looks like. Might give them a little healthy dose of perspective, but probably not
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 02:04 PM
Hey who does the Taliban follow on Twitter? Wow, look at that!
I’m sure the Taliban never tries to communicate with either of them and super sure neither of them ever try to communicate back though. No way
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 02:23 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-leader-david-duke-tweets-thank-god-trump-thats-why-we-love-him-726023
Why does posting in threads like these always feel like playing chess instead of having a discussion? Anyway, your move.
Ooloo
08-20-2021, 02:26 PM
At least now the fat blue haired women on Twitter will be able to once again see what real oppression of women looks like. Might give them a little healthy dose of perspective, but probably not
Nah most of those type of nutjobs are so enamored with literally any other culture that they'll defend it as some kind of rich cultural tradition that we don't understand. Thus totally turning their backs on some of the most abused women in the world.
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 02:33 PM
Rather, it has everything to do with understanding the culture.
Nah most of those type of nutjobs are so enamored with literally any other culture that they'll defend it as some kind of rich cultural tradition that we don't understand.
Passive aggressive, but not exactly subtle. Xenophilia is less of a problem in the world than xenophobia.
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 02:33 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-leader-david-duke-tweets-thank-god-trump-thats-why-we-love-him-726023
Why does posting in threads like these always feel like playing chess instead of having a discussion? Anyway, your move.
Illhan Omar on 9/11: Some people did something
Here’s where you use that out of context quote from Trump on Charlottesville in 3…2…1
Go
Horza
08-20-2021, 02:35 PM
Trumptards still sperging out because Biden did exactly what their guy said he would do if he had been re-elected?
Ooloo
08-20-2021, 02:37 PM
Passive aggressive, but not exactly subtle. Xenophilia is less of a problem in the world than xenophobia.
Tell that to the afghan women who desperately want the support of western feminism only to find western feminism defending and justifying their misery. That has got to be an incredibly depressing feeling.
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 02:39 PM
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unsunghero
08-20-2021, 02:40 PM
Trumptards still sperging out because Biden did exactly what their guy said he would do if he had been re-elected?
Did it incredibly poorly. Leaving =/= leaving and stranding 10’s of thousands of US citizens to possible death (but don’t worry, they’ll still be sent a mail in ballot for the 2022 election) and Afghans that assisted US military to torture
Tunabros
08-20-2021, 02:44 PM
now that I think about it, its not Biden's fault at all
if this shit goes wild, we'll have to send our kids over to fight the taliban
no one wants to get their hands bloody
also we don't a repeat of the Vietnam war
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 02:45 PM
Trumptards still sperging out because Biden did exactly what their guy said he would do if he had been re-elected?
I have a hard time understanding how the same people who say trump was trying to insurrect the USA and declare himself dictator, are saying Biden did good by doing all the things trump organized.
Whale biologist
08-20-2021, 02:46 PM
Passive aggressive, but not exactly subtle. Xenophilia is less of a problem in the world than xenophobia.
Also theoretical. Dude is fantasizing about having his priors confirmed LIKE A BOSS!
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 02:47 PM
Anyone who goes and hides in their basement for a week without taking questions from the press or any world leaders is someone who’s deeply embarrassed by their exit strategy
But maybe he just needed one hell of an extended nap time, who knows
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 02:49 PM
Tell that to the afghan women who desperately want the support of western feminism only to find western feminism defending and justifying their misery. That has got to be an incredibly depressing feeling.
I don't keep up with western feminism as much as...well, you apparently, so that's news; is it of the fake variety though?
A quick Google search offers quite a few recent articles lambasting feminists for the invasion and bombing of Afghanistan, while another search turned up this...
https://feminist.org/us-must-not-abandon-afghan-women/
red_demonman
08-20-2021, 02:50 PM
I love all the deflection, "but Trump".
There is only one retard responsible for the current situation and its the current president.
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 02:54 PM
I love all the deflection, "but Trump".
There is only one retard responsible for the current situation and its the current president.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 02:58 PM
There was only 1 president who acted to withdraw us from Afghanistan that doesnt say "my hands were tied"
So bush got us in
Trump got us out
Biden gave it to the taliban
Not very good messaging :(
Whale biologist
08-20-2021, 02:59 PM
Also theoretical. Dude is fantasizing about having his priors confirmed LIKE A BOSS!
Ideology-by-negative never sees it's own shadow until Spring comes by force.
https://i.imgur.com/EzhFexY.gif
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 03:00 PM
Anyone who goes and hides in their basement for a week without taking questions from the press or any world leaders is someone who’s deeply embarrassed by their exit strategy
But maybe he just needed one hell of an extended nap time, who knows
The same thing happened during the onset of covid too. Everyone in the YouTube comment section just assumed he was on death's door. Maybe it will come out in a book later on, what all he does during this downtime. He looks like he would golf, except he's too stiff and prone to outbursts. P99 raiding would be a good fit.
Ooloo
08-20-2021, 03:04 PM
I don't keep up with western feminism as much as...well, you apparently, so that's news; is it of the fake variety though?
A quick Google search offers quite a few recent articles lambasting feminists for the invasion and bombing of Afghanistan, while another search turned up this...
https://feminist.org/us-must-not-abandon-afghan-women/
Oh god a "not all" fallacy, wonderful. Did I say it was ALL feminists? No. But many, I'm not talking about the sane ones who condemn this shit, I'm talking about the ones who don't.
For example there are tonnnns of naive college aged feminists who defend the hijab and actually see it as empowering. Sorry call me crazy but if you risk being beaten by your husband or father or brother for removing it, you are not wearing it of your own free will.
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 03:05 PM
Also theoretical. Dude is fantasizing about having his priors confirmed LIKE A BOSS!
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unsunghero
08-20-2021, 03:06 PM
The same thing happened during the onset of covid too. Everyone in the YouTube comment section just assumed he was on death's door. Maybe it will come out in a book later on, what all he does during this downtime. He looks like he would golf, except he's too stiff and prone to outbursts. P99 raiding would be a good fit.
Fair enough except Jen “circle back” Psaki also halted all of her press conferences that week too. Maybe they golf together
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 03:06 PM
Oh god a "not all" fallacy, wonderful. Did I say it was ALL feminists? No. But many, I'm not talking about the sane ones who condemn this shit, I'm talking about the ones who don't.
My mistake for assuming, fair enough.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 03:08 PM
If you're talking about Cannabis in California it is because there has been such a strong market for out of state weed in places that have legalized, that good california growers can price wherever they want.
Prices are down though from the same time last year, which is good news for white market enterprises and general white market consumers.
Also, if you think good cannabis is like growing corn or tobacco you're totally clueless. Low quality junk can grow pretty easily, but good quality cannabis takes an incredible amount of care and patience.
Regarding democrats vs republicans, anyone who thinks there is a significant divide between them is fooling themselves. They sell you down the river 10/10 times they get the opportunity to do so. Afghanistan happened because they were able to generate the political will in USA and internationally to take over a country. The defense industry and the people they pay off generated a zillion dollars from this. Everyone else on the planet loses. Mission accomplished.
When you ask yourself "Why in gods name would anyone be stupid enough to let chinese foreign investors purchase homes all over vancouver with our own money" the answer is that someone more important than you profited greatly, and they don't give a shit about destroying your local economy and community, aka selling you down the river.
If you ask yourself "Why in gods name is the housing "crisis" still a "crisis" it is because people more important than you continue to profit greatly from the current situation. The USA subsidizes home loans that are designed to make it possible for regular joe to buy a house instead of USA being full of land barons. What do banks do? Give home loans to people that already own homes because they are lower risk. these second / third / forth home loans are in fact business loans given at subsidized home loan rates to would be (and actually) mini land barons that then go on to complain about how hard it is to be a land lord LOL.
These policies are easy to correct, but why would your senator correct them when they are doing so well under the status quo?
Meanwhile inventing reasons for the regular victim citizen to hate one another.
Good stuff.
Afghanistan, we got involved like a bunch of idiots because a bunch of other idiots wanted to cash in on it, and did.
USA takes a huge hit for being the same dumb toolbag USSR was and everyone else previously, but powerful people consider themselves stateless and don't give a shit.
Just don't let these fucks convince you to kill and rat out your neighbor and you will be OK. Loving your neighbor is the only way you can stop this, because the rich don't have enough actual allies to do their bidding. You have to be tricked into doing it by hating your neighbor or some weird looking guy or whoever else. Choose to love the person that the wealth man is trying to convince you to hate, don't be cucked by your closeted lizard man oppressor and we will all be OK.
And you don't have to love people because they are good, just because they are people. They have all the same feelings and dumb aspirations that you do. If they are deranged you feel sorry for them and care for them because their mind is fucked up.
They want to convince you that there is some aspect of a meritocracy in the USA or anywhere in the world, because they really want to believe that they deserve the things that they have tricked and weedled out of the hands of the people they have robbed. Or, that they didn't just get lucky, which happens a lot. They tell themselves and their friends that they have earned it and develop reasons to feel miserable too so they can be just like you. Thats why rich people have such ridiculous drama. They need it to feel like a justified human being "its so hard being me, also!" not that they have any risk of not eating or sleeping comfortably or being stuck in an unsafe area unsupported or anything like that. They just create some mental misery so they can feel OK with having much much much much more than they need. For not helping when they could help.
It's literally like a fat fuck laying on a couch while his wife and 5 year old child clean up after a huge debauched rager, and the fat fuck has a magical "instant clean" button but won't hit it because his wife and 5 year old child need to earn the clean home by doing it themselves, because he earned the button he stole by stealing it the old fashioned way and maybe if he presses the button too many times it might get sticky or something so he doesn't want to risk it.
/Add to reading list
edit: hey this is a great post, it's also the singular reason I think both Jan 6th and the BLM riots happened. :o
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 03:08 PM
I’ll throw out a small olive branch: Biden is at least currently out of hiding and promising to bring the stranded Americans home
Ennewi
08-20-2021, 03:35 PM
Nah. Sharpen the ends of those olive branches, jab and poke away. Whoever gets into office knew what they were getting into when they signed up, especially if they were VP before. It's our civic duty to demand better, even if it's next to impossible to get it.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 03:37 PM
"I really hate this guy, in fact he is trying to destroy the entire American system and even tried a coup, but I'm gonna continue his plans though because I want to be the first president to break the chain"
This is what just happened lol
Whale biologist
08-20-2021, 03:39 PM
"I really hate this guy, in fact he is trying to destroy the entire American system and even tried a coup, but I'm gonna continue his plans though because I want to be the first president to break the chain"
This is what just happened lol
Sure, if you torture logic like the Bush administration tortured Iraqis. :eek:
Horza
08-20-2021, 03:40 PM
"I really hate this guy, in fact he is trying to destroy the entire American system, but I'm gonna continue his plans though because I want to be the first president to break the chain"
This is what just happened lol
You must be unfamiliar with how international diplomacy works (unsurprisingly).
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 03:41 PM
lol yea would have been awful for the taliban to take over if we screwed up the deplomacy.
The idea you're trying to convince me that he tried to coop, and you think we also have to follow his diplomacy is pure insane.
Horza
08-20-2021, 03:44 PM
lol yea would have been awful for the taliban to take over if we screwed up the deplomacy.
We don't all want to see a bloodbath in the Middle East because it's supposed to bring Jesus back or something.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 03:44 PM
"to bad biden has to operate all these concentration camps but that's diplomacy for you"
literally happening as well LOL
Ooloo
08-20-2021, 05:34 PM
Let's get all diplomatic with people who hate everything about our way of life and want us to be obliterated. The fact the taliban is even allowing anyone to get into the airport at all is purely because of bribery; we're just promising them loads of cash and weapons to play ball for a few days.
unsunghero
08-20-2021, 05:44 PM
Diplomacy makes some sense at least until we get our people out of there. Because of Biden’s bad exit plans and the complete cowardice of the Afghan military (my liberal friends disagree and think it was because they sympathized with the Taliban, but in that case why did they flee rather than flip sides?), the Taliban is now holding all the cards
Once our people are out, there is no easy solution. I’m all for just ignoring the place and letting it rot, pouring out my drink for what’s going to happen to the women there, but that only works unless it becomes an international terrorism hub. Even then, can always hope they strike out at targets closer than us. Let’s just pray they don’t realize the easiest way to sneak terror cells into our country is our shitty southern border…
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 06:26 PM
The earth is a wild ride I wonder if we are tripping more than people did like during the 6 day war days. Things def seem crazy to me but Im a doomer.
Gravydoo II
08-20-2021, 08:19 PM
How many of you brave critics are going to step up and go save some americans and afghans???
Yeah, thats what i thought. LOL you care enough to cry
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 08:25 PM
How many of you brave critics are going to step up and go save some americans and afghans???
Yeah, thats what i thought. LOL you care enough to cry
If Biden wasn't such a failure there wouldn't be a need to
Botten
08-20-2021, 09:09 PM
If Biden wasn't such a failure there wouldn't be a need to
Just going to put this here:
October 14, 2019 2:53PM ET
Title:
130,000 Kurds have been forced to flee their homes, hundreds have died
Russia and other dangerous regimes are thrilled
As is the case with many of Trump’s largely inexplicable world-changing decisions, pulling U.S. troops out of northern Syria was good news for Putin. Russia has long supported Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, who is opposed by the Kurds, in the Syrian Civil War. Now that the Kurds have been abandoned by the U.S.
...
Trump before he left office had a deal with the Taliban and reduced our forces to only 2,500 in Afghanistan. Calling the Taliban smart and sharp.
No doubt the explanation from our US troops were true. There was little to nothing they could do to reduce the injustices taking place before their eyes with so little US forces and support in Afghanistan.
This was Trump's deal and even though it was continued under Biden's presidency thank god there were less deaths than our allies had to endure when US troops left northern Syria.
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 09:13 PM
Just going to put this here:
October 14, 2019 2:53PM ET
Title:
130,000 Kurds have been forced to flee their homes, hundreds have died
Russia and other dangerous regimes are thrilled
As is the case with many of Trump’s largely inexplicable world-changing decisions, pulling U.S. troops out of northern Syria was good news for Putin. Russia has long supported Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, who is opposed by the Kurds, in the Syrian Civil War. Now that the Kurds have been abandoned by the U.S.
...
Trump before he left office had a deal with the Taliban and reduced our forces to only 2,500 in Afghanistan. Calling the Taliban smart and sharp.
No doubt the explanation from our US troops were true. There was little to nothing they could do to reduce the injustices taking place before their eyes with so little US forces and support in Afghanistan.
This was Trump's deal and even though it was continued under Biden's presidency thank god there were less deaths than our allies had to endure when US troops left northern Syria.
Trump's fault that Biden is a pathetic failure!
lol
Gravydoo II
08-20-2021, 09:14 PM
You gonna cry...? Awhhh dont cry for ole joe.
Why dont you tell us what you would have done, since you're such a brilliant tactician?? Get in a time machine and say something retarded like "dont start a war" ??? LOLOL
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 09:18 PM
I cant believe I only have to wait another like 3 or 4 years to see the return of the caliphate.
Gravydoo II
08-20-2021, 09:18 PM
Come on patton, tell us the plan.
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 09:20 PM
You gonna cry...? Awhhh dont cry for ole joe.
Why dont you tell us what you would have done, since you're such a brilliant tactician?? Get in a time machine and say something retarded like "dont start a war" ??? LOLOL
A trained chimp would have evacuated all the civilians before grounding air support and pulling out the military
You're a junkie. Get your head out of Biden's crackpipe.
Jibartik
08-20-2021, 09:20 PM
Come on patton, tell us the plan.
https://youtu.be/nzQnQlOfe1k?t=247
Gravydoo II
08-20-2021, 09:52 PM
how do we even have a taliban anymore??
Didnt rape daddy promise that he knew more than the generals and would have it all done and over with???
Weird, four years with the greatest general who ever lived, still a taliban.
Nocht
08-20-2021, 09:55 PM
The taliban was Bush's second greatest creation.
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 09:57 PM
how do we even have a taliban anymore??
Didnt rape daddy promise that he knew more than the generals and would have it all done and over with???
Weird, four years with the greatest general who ever lived, still a taliban.
Biden was Obama's Foreign Policy "Point Man" for 8 years
Still a Taliban
Taliban achieves Flawless Victory when Obama's Foreign Policy "Point Man" is installed in the WH
Gravydoo II
08-20-2021, 09:59 PM
A trained chimp would have evacuated all the civilians before grounding air support and pulling out the military
You're a junkie. Get your head out of Biden's crackpipe.
How?? Come on patton. Tell us. How??? With what??
Tell us this plan, since you're such a logistical genius...
Horza
08-20-2021, 10:00 PM
How many of you brave critics are going to step up and go save some americans and afghans???
Yeah, thats what i thought. LOL you care enough to cry
Big fat zero, I'd have to guess.
Gravydoo II
08-20-2021, 10:01 PM
Biden was Obama's Foreign Policy "Point Man" for 8 years
Still a Taliban
Taliban achieves Flawless Victory when Obama's Foreign Policy "Point Man" is installed in the WH
Dont remember obama saying he knew more than the generals, thus placing himself as the best general in the world.
I dont remember obama saying "mission accomplished" either... do you?
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 10:09 PM
Dont remember obama saying he knew more than the generals, thus placing himself as the best general in the world.
I dont remember obama saying "mission accomplished" either... do you?
lol you're so all over the place
Biden just shit his diapers in front of the entire world
Only you and Horza still refuse to admit it
Gravydoo II
08-20-2021, 10:26 PM
Patton, lets hear your plan. So far you got "evacuate land locked country with millions of people" lol. Half a million or more, internally displaced since 2020..
Weird how that wasnt an issue until today. The internal displacement of the population, not an issue under rape daddy.
Now, huge problem, all bidens fault for starting that damn war huh?
Maybe he should tell them to inject bleach or get light, inside the body some how. lol
Thorgrimm
08-20-2021, 10:29 PM
Patton, lets hear your plan. So far you got "evacuate land locked country with millions of people" lol. Half a million or more, internally displaced since 2020..
Weird how that wasnt an issue until today. The internal displacement of the population, not an issue under rape daddy.
Now, huge problem, all bidens fault for starting that damn war huh?
Maybe he should tell them to inject bleach or get light, inside the body some how. lol
You're Trump deranged and all over the place
I'm sorry your puppet is a shitty President who didn't have an exit plan
Gravydoo II
08-20-2021, 10:31 PM
He's going to submit it in blue crayon to the government. "land plane here, get people, land plane here and unload." pretty sure if your opinion had ANY weight in reality, at all, you would work in logistics. You dont though. LOL
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