Afghanistan Megathread

[Mesocyclone]

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

[Jibartik]

All these people with all the bright ideas! NOBODY HAS EVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE.

So, why didnt you help?

If it bothers you so much. Why didnt you help?

Where were these questions when rape daddy surrendered?

I helped, I donated like 50% of my income to make those blackhawks they are hanging people from.

[Ennewi]

You’re going to have to make a better argument.

A better argument for progress? Okay, let's proceed...

We’re talking about a culture that condones rape of boys and girls. A culture that kills homosexuals. A culture that denies women all sorts of basic rights.

Those are elements within that culture, each one reprehensible. Ignoring the religious aspect for a moment and focusing instead on the power structure, America has had a similar problem of its own through the Catholic church. Would it be correct to say that all practicing members of the Catholic faith should have been tried in court, rather than the specific sex offenders and those who facilitated their crimes? Or all Americans for that matter? What about the parents who didn't know for a lack of trying or wanting to know?

In 2007, Elsie McGrath became the first female ordained Catholic priest. Should the American government require that all churches to allow women to become priests, since its citizens should be equally free? Take it one step further, should Catholicism be outlawed and all Catholics deported? That would be a form of discrimination and tantamount to forced conversion, both of which are reprehensible. Granted, I have attended Catholic weddings myself and was disallowed from partaking in certain rituals/ceremonies, which a girlfriend said meant I was essentially condemned to hell or purgatory. In its own way, that is discrimination as well, but at least there's enough respect to allow me the choice of salvation or damnation. Some would call that progress.

https://youtu.be/amArH3ucEYU

Setting aside other cultural differences which may contribute to the problem, we are essentially talking about the same thing. Men in power who condoned rape and prevented women from securing equal rights, be it in the west or the middle east. However, in the case of Catholic church, even with their stranglehold on that part of the culture, those men ultimately did not prevail. Why? How can that knowledge be applied elsewhere?

Prohibition was also part of American culture and remnants of it can still be found in some counties to this day, but speakeasies were a part of the culture as a result. That is the duality of man on a macro level. I am arguing for those who represent the latter in Afghanistan, which does not mean I am also arguing in favor of the former.

But returning back to the matter of dehumanizing acts and not what is or isn't legal, while our culture doesn't necessarily condone rape, it does have a history of giving those in power the benefit of the doubt or at least affording them enough time to continue the behavior until it becomes common knowledge, both in that circle and out.

https://www.missourinet.com/2021/07/14/missouri-boarding-school-abuse-victim-on-new-law-we-can-finally-say-we-are-heard/
https://heavy.com/news/amanda-householder-circle-of-hope/

Yes, lawsuits are being filed against both schools, but some cases go as far back as two decades and ABS operated in other states long before then.

Might as well drag the UK into this too...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37711518

America has a lot of mixed up ideas right now but we are still the most free and accepting society on earth. People aren’t trying to move to Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan.

If America is the most free, is it also the most responsible? Because without one the other leads to chaos, pleasure island, an idiocracy. I wouldn't even say that the average American enjoys the most privilege, though at one point in time that must have been true.

It isn't fun, casually lambasting the US, it just happens to be the country I know best from experience and it's also the country I can influence directly. Any other part of the world would receive the same treatment if circumstances were different.

Every country has its own pros and cons, some with pros that far outweigh the cons and vice versa, but the population cannot enjoy the good and conveniently pretend that the bad doesn't exist in order to appear morally superior to countries that are worse off. Just because you or I wouldn't pick up and move to Afghanistan willingly, and just because many of its people would move here in a heartbeat, that doesn't mean we are an exemplary society. Blue server might be the obvious choice to red, but that doesn't mean the raid scene is healthy.

The fear isn’t the Taliban being more powerful, the fear is the power vacuum that was created. Now who fills it? Not our allies.

"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." Henry Kissinger

Whether a world power considers its frenemies to be one or the other, both or neither, whoever fills the role will be right to distrust that world power in any event. A relationship without trust is merely a series of tentative exchanges. If everything is transactional than nothing is off the table. How is that mindset not condoning the same offenses mentioned in your post?

[nostalgiaquest]

Only a brainwashed/uninformed American who’s never left the country would consider America the most free and accepting society on Earth. Sorry but probably not even in the top 10.

[JurisDictum]

So I hired a guy to paint a shed out back. After the first couple of days I check in on him and it turns out nothing has been painted. He tells me the structure of the shed is breaking down, so painting it is useless. He asks for two weeks and a lot more money to rebuild the shed. So I go for it, wanting to get the problem solved.

After two weeks I check back in. Nothing has changed. He says that initial estimates were over-optimistic and he needs at least another month and more pay to hire extra help. I go for it, because im assured its the only way to recover my sunk costs in this project.

5 weeks go by, and there still is little progress on the shed. I finally tell him just to pack it in and give up the job. He agrees, but needs a couple days to gather all his materials and to make good on agreed payed days of employees etc.

After a couple days he says we needs another week. A week later its a couple more days. Finally you just tell him to leave at once and hes not getting a penny more.

The next day my wife is harassing me about the mess he left and saying ""why didn't you just have him clean up before letting him go!?"

[Ennewi]

One pro of living in Japan...

https://youtu.be/2xlUDUtftGw

[Ennewi]

So I hired a guy to paint a shed out back. After the first couple of days I check in on him and it turns out nothing has been painted. He tells me the structure of the shed is breaking down, so painting it is useless. He asks for two weeks and a lot more money to rebuild the shed. So I go for it, wanting to get the problem solved.

After two weeks I check back in. Nothing has changed. He says that initial estimates were over-optimistic and he needs at least another month and more pay to hire extra help. I go for it, because im assured its the only way to recover my sunk costs in this project.

5 weeks go by, and there still is little progress on the shed. I finally tell him just to pack it in and give up the job. He agrees, but needs a couple days to gather all his materials and to make good on agreed payed days of employees etc.

After a couple days he says we needs another week. A week later its a couple more days. Finally you just tell him to leave at once and hes not getting a penny more.

The next day my wife is harassing me about the mess he left and saying ""why didn't you just have him clean up before letting him go!?"

I forget where, but it was a very liberal town/city with what was becoming a notorious intersection. Pedestrians complained about the motorists, but more so the lack of crosswalk stripes. Council members spent days debating what was to be done and who would do it and for how much. As days turned into weeks, some random person in the community said, fuck it and painted a perfect row of white stripes in the middle of the night. The very next day, when council members learned of it, they held a vote and finally came to an agreement, to have the new stripes removed. That same day crosswalk stripes were again absent from that intersection and the council members returned to their old debate regarding what was to be done. If I find the news article or video again, I'll post it.

[Jibartik]

Only a brainwashed/uninformed American who’s never left the country would consider America the most free and accepting society on Earth. Sorry but probably not even in the top 10.

what is?

[Jibartik]

So I hired a guy to paint a shed out back. After the first couple of days I check in on him and it turns out nothing has been painted. He tells me the structure of the shed is breaking down, so painting it is useless. He asks for two weeks and a lot more money to rebuild the shed. So I go for it, wanting to get the problem solved.

After two weeks I check back in. Nothing has changed. He says that initial estimates were over-optimistic and he needs at least another month and more pay to hire extra help. I go for it, because im assured its the only way to recover my sunk costs in this project.

5 weeks go by, and there still is little progress on the shed. I finally tell him just to pack it in and give up the job. He agrees, but needs a couple days to gather all his materials and to make good on agreed payed days of employees etc.

After a couple days he says we needs another week. A week later its a couple more days. Finally you just tell him to leave at once and hes not getting a penny more.

The next day my wife is harassing me about the mess he left and saying ""why didn't you just have him clean up before letting him go!?"

It wasnt socialism that broke the soviets will to work, it was hypernormalism. The same hypernormalism that tries to tell me a riot is an insurrection and not yet just another example of how the people are unhappy and feel cornered in the world we live in today.

It. is. only. a. matter. of. time.

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[starkind]

I feel bad about people suffering but with everything going on I am still finding it really hard to get all worked up about people killing each other while everything else is going on and the level of greed, lust, and hatred people have just interfere with them doing a few simple things to improve their lives.

All very un mohamad or jesus like.

So I kinda have 'checked out'. Even tho I care. I really do. I feel like most people would really start to feel this way if they were able to admit their failings and their desire to do better and that they weren't so much individuals as part of gods plan and could develop a little bit of superego.

[JurisDictum]

Well guys, I know its very confusing when both the left and rightwing corporate media are bought out by the military-industrial complex in this country. All that shilling for Biden went right out the window on the liberal side once he went against Ratheon. There was trillions spent on the war in Afghanistan (after the Taliban offered to surrender and after we let Bin Laden escape to Pakistan). Most of the money found its way back in D.C. The rest is currently in the form of equipment confiscated by the new Taliban government.

That amount of money creates a lot of bullshit thinking in the MSM. People seem to be unaware of basic realities in Afghanistan. There was no "civil war" just a colonial one, the corrupt government we were backing there was a blackhole, that was obvious as far back as Bush. The population consisted almost exclusively of conservative muslim people who were more comfortable supporting the taliban than any occupying presence. Everyone knew there was no military solution to Afghanistan. It has been clear for a long time that the military was lying about the progress toward independence our sham colonial government was making. Its been clear that a lot of the leadership has been lining their pockets.

We know the government in Kabul wasn't going anywhere

We know the military wasn't actually planning to pull out despite years of jerking around 4 different presidents about a withdraw timeline.

We know the corrupt media is all over Biden for finally cutting the cord. The MSM is the primary way the military industrial complex creates narratives and social pressure.

But I can't seem to make this mule drink. My rightwing relatives are making this all about Biden fucking up the withdraw -- which he might have but few people actually appreciate the agency problem he has to deal with.

Mainstream Dems are generally too cucked to say anything atm and change the subject.

The majority of Americans still support the withdraw of Afghanistan. The media however, continue to supports the indefinite occupation of Afghanistan. They make several low IQ arguments about how military presence in Afghanistan is somehow a cost effective way to fight ISIS. I guess people buy that shit because they are kept in the dark about how the Taliban is actually an ISIS enemy and part of the way we killed them off last time.

[Jibartik]

So I kinda have 'checked out'. Even tho I care. I really do.

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[starkind]

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too many mirror neurons and not enough woke neurons imo

[Whale biologist]

https://i.imgur.com/VQ8HJK8.png

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/VQ8HJK8.png

oh look propoganda

probbalby correct in this case tho lol

also, honestly if they had killed obama and patreaus there were other zerg overminds in the collective ready to be shoved into position and fed to the wolves and a lot of generals wrote an actual book about how fucked up everything is and was and will be in like way before we were in that situation and again during the middle of the afghani stuff my dead was totally bitching about it was his reason to vote trump and i rolled my eyes and was like w/e dumb dumb i don't disagree but still retarded in a non handicap but actually deliberate and malicious way lewl

[unsunghero]

I guess people buy that shit because they are kept in the dark about how the Taliban is actually an ISIS enemy and part of the way we killed them off last time.

WTOP National Security Correspondent J.J. Green, Dr. Hans Jakob Schindler, senior director at the Counter Extremism Project, describes the relationship between the Taliban and ISIS currently (not in the past) as "dubious"

He describes some past conflicts, but also more recent instances where the Taliban has left ISIS alone. The full audio is here (from 9/1/21):

https://wtop.com/national-security/2021/09/the-hunt-are-the-taliban-and-isis-really-enemies/

[Horza]

Well guys, I know its very confusing when both the left and rightwing corporate media are bought out by the military-industrial complex in this country. All that shilling for Biden went right out the window on the liberal side once he went against Ratheon. There was trillions spent on the war in Afghanistan (after the Taliban offered to surrender and after we let Bin Laden escape to Pakistan). Most of the money found its way back in D.C. The rest is currently in the form of equipment confiscated by the new Taliban government.

That amount of money creates a lot of bullshit thinking in the MSM. People seem to be unaware of basic realities in Afghanistan. There was no "civil war" just a colonial one, the corrupt government we were backing there was a blackhole, that was obvious as far back as Bush. The population consisted almost exclusively of conservative muslim people who were more comfortable supporting the taliban than any occupying presence. Everyone knew there was no military solution to Afghanistan. It has been clear for a long time that the military was lying about the progress toward independence our sham colonial government was making. Its been clear that a lot of the leadership has been lining their pockets.

We know the government in Kabul wasn't going anywhere

We know the military wasn't actually planning to pull out despite years of jerking around 4 different presidents about a withdraw timeline.

We know the corrupt media is all over Biden for finally cutting the cord. The MSM is the primary way the military industrial complex creates narratives and social pressure.

But I can't seem to make this mule drink. My rightwing relatives are making this all about Biden fucking up the withdraw -- which he might have but few people actually appreciate the agency problem he has to deal with.

Mainstream Dems are generally too cucked to say anything atm and change the subject.

The majority of Americans still support the withdraw of Afghanistan. The media however, continue to supports the indefinite occupation of Afghanistan. They make several low IQ arguments about how military presence in Afghanistan is somehow a cost effective way to fight ISIS. I guess people buy that shit because they are kept in the dark about how the Taliban is actually an ISIS enemy and part of the way we killed them off last time.

I can't imagine being so deep in the conservative cult you think left-wing corporate media exists in this country.

[Jibartik]

Well that's the most pathetic attempt to gaslight Ive seen today.

Do I need to quote the hypernormilzation video, again.

[unsunghero]

I can't imagine being so deep in the conservative cult you think left-wing corporate media exists in this country.

Since being bought out by Gannett, my home publication and the largest in my state, the Arizona Republic began a non-stop deluge of Democrat talking points. Let’s see who else they now own:

“It owns the national newspaper USA Today, as well as several local newspapers, including the Detroit Free Press; The Indianapolis Star; The Cincinnati Enquirer; The Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville, Florida; The Tennessean in Nashville, Tennessee; The Daily News Journal, in Murfreesboro, Tennessee; The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky; the Democrat and Chronicle in Rochester, New York; The Des Moines Register; The Arizona Republic in Phoenix, Arizona; The News-Press in Fort Myers, Florida; the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel; and the Great Falls Tribune in Great Falls, Montana”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gannett

Oops

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/9FLYd5k.jpeg

[Horza]

Since being bought out by Gannett, my home publication and the largest in my state, the Arizona Republic began a non-stop deluge of Democrat talking points. Let’s see who else they now own:

“It owns the national newspaper USA Today, as well as several local newspapers, including the Detroit Free Press; The Indianapolis Star; The Cincinnati Enquirer; The Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville, Florida; The Tennessean in Nashville, Tennessee; The Daily News Journal, in Murfreesboro, Tennessee; The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky; the Democrat and Chronicle in Rochester, New York; The Des Moines Register; The Arizona Republic in Phoenix, Arizona; The News-Press in Fort Myers, Florida; the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel; and the Great Falls Tribune in Great Falls, Montana”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gannett

Oops

Republicans think the publisher of USA Today are far left antifa radical communists :o

[unsunghero]

Since being bought out by Gannett, my home publication and the largest in my state, the Arizona Republic began a non-stop deluge of Democrat talking points. Let’s see who else they now own:

“It owns the national newspaper USA Today, as well as several local newspapers, including the Detroit Free Press; The Indianapolis Star; The Cincinnati Enquirer; The Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville, Florida; The Tennessean in Nashville, Tennessee; The Daily News Journal, in Murfreesboro, Tennessee; The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky; the Democrat and Chronicle in Rochester, New York; The Des Moines Register; The Arizona Republic in Phoenix, Arizona; The News-Press in Fort Myers, Florida; the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel; and the Great Falls Tribune in Great Falls, Montana”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gannett

Oops

Let’s check the front page of the Arizona republic right now having been owned by Ganett Inc for years

OOPS

Thanks for playing though

[unsunghero]

And before anyone says that the AZ republic was already liberal or leaning liberal before it was bought out by a liberal corporation years ago, I’d challenge as to how much of it they read

I followed my local paper/online news for 10+ years, including being featured in it in 2013 for being crazy enough to hike one of the most challenging hikes in the area in 110 degree heat (I was the only person there to photo)

I definitely wrote them an angry email or two when they flipped and became a liberal propaganda mill after being bought out. What do you think helped az go blue?

[Whale biologist]

I definitely wrote them an angry email or two when they flipped and became a liberal propaganda mill after being bought out. What do you think helped az go blue?

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[Patriam1066]

Nah trump being an idiot really alienated those of us who weren’t broken individuals and had something to lose. I’d rather my children live in a center left democracy than an authoritarian society like the one I grew up in

Trump delenda est

[Patriam1066]

Great abortion law in Texas btw. Is this Afghanistan? Jesus isn’t allah, get your heads out of your asses guys. This isn’t progress, it’s retrograde

[JurisDictum]

I honestly don't know if Trump would have been played by the Generals successfully or not. he definitely was played at first. But when it came clear he wasn't going to maintain power a second term -- even as he was publicly adamant about the prospects of his legal case -- he seemed to be pushing a Biden-style withdraw. He just didn't really have the time to pull it off.

Now Trump has obviously came out and said Biden messed up the withdraw he left him. We would have left and everything would have been much better under his watch he assures us. What world do you imagine Trump not saying this? There are two possibilities

1) He would have done more or less the same thing. He just would have been much better at spinning it in the media. Not only that, but the Trump worship media that's been cropping up like NewsMax would have 100% backed him even if Fox didn't. There is no NewsMax for the Biden left.

2) He would have been played by the generals just like Obama and stayed forever. Only to angrily criticize the guy that finally had the balls to get us out. Just like Obama who is now embarrassed how much he obviously fucked up the Afghanistan situation for everyone to see.

These guys didn't have the balls to take the negative news cycle. And they should be seen as the pathetic excuse makers that they are. Even if Biden fucked up the particulars of withdraw -- he's going to come out way ahead because he prevented years more of squandered resources on the confused Afghanistan project. Unfortunately for him, the dumbos will never understand these multiple negative realities that he avoided -- and just blame him for the bad that has happened.

I'm not a big Biden supporter but I believe in giving credit when it is due.

[Mesocyclone]

why werent you aborted?

[Ooloo]

Killing babies is bad. I'm technically pro-choice because I support abortion for like the first month. But after that nah.

[Mblake1981]

Nah trump being an idiot really alienated those of us who weren’t broken individuals and had something to lose. I’d rather my children live in a center left democracy than an authoritarian society like the one I grew up in.

Because you ID as an outsider unless convenient.

[Horza]

why werent you aborted?

Political discourse on these forums is going great.

[Patriam1066]

Nah buddy I’m an American. Trump’s wives and lawyers are not

[Patriam1066]

Killing babies is bad. I'm technically pro-choice because I support abortion for like the first month. But after that nah.

Eating McDonald’s is bad. Kills far more than abortion. That doesn’t nullify your freedoms

[Mblake1981]

Nah buddy I’m an American. Trump’s wives and lawyers are not

Buddy I didn't say that to be cute. I said it because I have read it. You have a Brooklyn Dad thing going on.

[Patriam1066]

Trump sucks my man. He looked at the sun. I’m sorry if democracy isn’t worth waiting for a smarter emperor than that but I’m gonna come down on the side of maintaining constitutional rights at least until Diocletian or Augustus comes along. Trump wasn’t even Domitian

[Patriam1066]

Good to know how many of my fellow republicans didn’t give a shit about the constitution. Y’all dumped that and the New Testament as soon as trump said otherwise. Shameful shit, all sins are payable on death.

[Jibartik]

Political discourse on these forums is going great.

biden cope post

[Mesocyclone]

Biden failed in MANY ways. Impeachment coming. Cackling Kamala can lead you assholes.

[Jibartik]

Good to know how many of my fellow republicans didn’t give a shit about the constitution. Y’all dumped that and the New Testament as soon as trump said otherwise. Shameful shit, all sins are payable on death.

If you impregnate an egg, the only thing you can do to stop that from becoming a human is by destroying it.

So I dont find your opinion that it's not murder convincing.

There is nothing in the constitution that says if you want to make babies and squish them at birth it's ok because you're doing it in the privacy of your own home...

Just because you personally have some construct that says that's wrong but doing it to a life that is created just 7 months earlier is ok is 100% a construct.

The only thing that isnt a construct is that Sperm + Egg = Human, unless it is killed.

Im not pro anything but the arguments that life begins at a date is just rationalizing as far as I am concerned.

[Mesocyclone]

Trump and Biden are high ranking Illuminati Freemasons your divide and conquer strat is useless on me. I know everything.

[Whale biologist]

Good to know how many of my fellow republicans didn’t give a shit about the constitution. Y’all dumped that and the New Testament as soon as trump said otherwise. Shameful shit, all sins are payable on death.

They didn't rule on the merits though(the Libs wanted to), Texas cooked up a big fucky-wucky procedural trick so they couldn't. We won't find out til June or July when publish the controlling opinion.

In the meantime, Texas gets to do the vigilante shit from their fantasies. :eek:

[Whale biologist]

If you impregnate an egg, the only thing you can do to stop that from becoming a human is by destroying it.

So I dont find your opinion that it's not murder convincing.

There is nothing in the constitution that says if you want to make babies and squish them at birth it's ok because you're doing it in the privacy of your own home...

Just because you personally have some construct that says that's wrong but doing it to a life that is created just 7 months earlier is ok is 100% a construct.

The only thing that isnt a construct is that Sperm + Egg = Human, unless it is killed.

Im not pro anything but the arguments that life begins at a date is just rationalizing as far as I am concerned.

Society would look a lot different without the right to privacy created in Roe.

You don't want that. You think you do, but you don't.

[Jibartik]

If someone could prove that the human body is just a shell...

and at a certain point during gestation, a consciousness that has been stored in the cloud downloads into it.

Then I would be ok with terminating pregnancies up to that date..



If you poke the armor prepare to raise a kid and if you cant do it then oh well THAT was your constitutional right: to fuck raising your kid up.

But it's not your constitutional right to kill it because you are afraid of fucking it up, that's my opinion.

[Whale biologist]

Im not pro anything but the arguments that life begins at a date is just rationalizing as far as I am concerned.

Trimesters aren't the standard since 1992. Look up Casey.

Viability is the standard.

[Horza]

Jib, the idea that you aren't pro-life is laughable.

[Jibartik]

I dont see how abortion falls under privacy. I dont get it, why is locking a kid in the closet wrong but if they are super young killing them is ok?

[Mesocyclone]

Ya'll can spin the red Illuminati versus the blue Illuminati until the end of time, only makes you look stupid for not knowing.

[Ooloo]

Eating McDonald’s is bad. Kills far more than abortion. That doesn’t nullify your freedoms

I make the choice to eat mcdonalds. I don't shove cheeseburgers into an unborn baby's mouth. What the hell kind of point do you think you're making?

You gotta love the euphemisms though. It's not killing babies, it's uhhhhhhh "women's healthcare". Right!

[Horza]

I dont see how abortion falls under privacy. I dont get it, why is locking a kid in the closet wrong but if they are super young killing them is ok?

$10k reward if you can manage to bring them in alive.

[Patriam1066]

I make the choice to eat mcdonalds. I don't shove cheeseburgers into an unborn baby's mouth. What the hell kind of point do you think you're making?

You gotta love the euphemisms though. It's not killing babies, it's uhhhhhhh "women's healthcare". Right!

You don’t get to decide a choice for a woman any more than I get you to have my body fat percentage. That isn’t liberty and is antithetical to the spirit of the bill of rights and our founding principles. Abortion is an abomination and a sin. That doesn’t make America a theocracy. There is no rational position that outlaws abortion at 6 weeks. This is pandering to the evangelical base and I hope Texas realizes it’s folly before corporations move out of here en masse. I’m guessing it won’t come to that and either kavanaugh or Gorsuch will change their minds when there’s an actual case before the court

Wrong headed pandering that, I hate to tell you, Abbott and the others don’t want to stand before the court. You’re being duped

[JurisDictum]

We got help all babies -- until their born then its on them.

Its like how we have to protect all Afghans... until they get on the airplane. Then you might as well toss them off for all we care.

Its almost like we don't actually care about human life and use it as a justification when it suits our political narrative.

[Ooloo]

Democrats: "If you kill an unborn child like ten seconds before it comes out it's a beautiful demonstration of reproductive rights, if you kill it ten seconds after it comes out it's magically murder and don't you dare ask me to explain my logic. Because I have none."

Abortions after the first trimester are immoral and morbid change my mind

[JurisDictum]

Abortions after the first trimester are immoral and morbid change my mind

Maybe you can tell your retard yocal political representative to stay the hell out of the way for the first trimester then. Focus on the two that are bad.

[Ooloo]

You don’t get to decide a choice for a woman any more than I get you to have my body fat percentage. That isn’t liberty and is antithetical to the spirit of the bill of rights and our founding principles. Abortion is an abomination and a sin. That doesn’t make America a theocracy. There is no rational position that outlaws abortion at 6 weeks. This is pandering to the evangelical base and I hope Texas realizes it’s folly before corporations move out of here en masse. I’m guessing it won’t come to that and either kavanaugh or Gorsuch will change their minds when there’s an actual case before the court

Wrong headed pandering that, I hate to tell you, Abbott and the others don’t want to stand before the court. You’re being duped

I'm not totally sure what you're talking about but yes I agree abortion is only permissible very early. Not at 9 months which many democrats actively support. They actively *celebrate* it, it's gross.

[Mesocyclone]

You're being duped alright. Its called a dual-party dupe on idiots.

[Patriam1066]

Democrats: "If you kill an unborn child like ten seconds before it comes out it's a beautiful demonstration of reproductive rights, if you kill it ten seconds after it comes out it's magically murder and don't you dare ask me to explain my logic. Because I have none."

Abortions after the first trimester are immoral and morbid change my mind

6 weeks isn’t the first trimester. Different argument. Also, Trump 2016 and McCain 2008 voter here buddy, not exactly a democrat

[Ooloo]

Maybe you can tell your retard yocal political representative to stay the hell out of the way for the first trimester then. Focus on the two that are bad.

I agree, they should stay out of it that young. Killing an 8 month old baby is murder though sorry.

[Horza]

Republicans don't need basic arithmetic where they're going.

[Ooloo]

6 weeks isn’t the first trimester. Different argument. Also, Trump 2016 and McCain 2008 voter here buddy, not exactly a democrat

Well that's semantics, "trimesters" are just an arbitrary distinction. That's why the "heartbeat" thing is a thing; it's some kind of specific distinction.

[Patriam1066]

They didn't rule on the merits though(the Libs wanted to), Texas cooked up a big fucky-wucky procedural trick so they couldn't. We won't find out til June or July when publish the controlling opinion.

In the meantime, Texas gets to do the vigilante shit from their fantasies. :eek:

Good to know you’re still around Pokesan. I’m not mad about the court, I suspect they realize if they overturn roe v wade they’ve delegitimized the last branch of government respected by a majority. I’m upset that the governor, who probably couldn’t spell Eucharist, is pretending to be Christian. All of Texas can freeze over and who gives a fuck, that’s capitalism, but let’s ban abortion before some people even know their pregnant

And yeah, I don’t believe Abbott is a Christian. That is irksome to me as gun to head I’d say I believe in God and the New Testament

[Whale biologist]

I agree, they should stay out of it that young. Killing an 8 month old baby is murder though sorry.

Roe didn't go that far even (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/roe_v_wade_(1973)), you're barking in the dark here baby boy.

The Court divided the pregnancy period into three trimesters. During the first trimester, the decision to terminate the pregnancy was solely at the discretion of the woman. After the first trimester, the state could “regulate procedure.” During the second trimester, the state could regulate (but not outlaw) abortions in the interests of the mother’s health. After the second trimester, the fetus became viable, and the state could regulate or outlaw abortions in the interest of the potential life except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.

[Ooloo]

Also please ditch the stupid george carlin "ya don't care after they're born!!" thing. For one thing george carlin wasn't really that funny, and also it's a total non sequitur. Republicans don't care about you once you're born, sure let's grant that. It also doesn't mean killing babies is okay. How are they related? It's just a dumb failed gotcha.

[JurisDictum]

Let me just point out:

Roe vs Wade said that the first trimester abortion is what a woman had rights to. Women didn't necessarily have a right to a 2nd and 3rd trimester abortion -- and viability was considered particularly permissible criteria to block abortion access.

Then the rightwing started poking around with their sponsored judges put there to make the Republicans more popular with poor southern whites. Roe vs Wade was then gutting in the late 90s from all this trimester logic.

Which is stupid -- because there is some actual logic in make most abortion past the first trimester illegal. There have historically always been exceptions for rape, incest, health of the mother. But otherwise -- you got a time limit on that shit.

But it is clear that the life at conception crowd is the overpowering voice of the "pro-life" anti-abortion movement. You c an see these old hateful fucks that live joyless lives gathered outside planned parenthood. They have the intent of harassing women that -- you guessed it -- are in the midst of a first trimester abortion.

Because they actually care about the trimester. They mostly focus on the first trimester! How to talk women out of their abortion right away. How to make all the red tape so extreme they might just have the kid instead...etc.

[Ooloo]

Roe didn't go that far even (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/roe_v_wade_(1973)), you're barking in the dark here baby boy.

Okay cool so, it's only murder once the babby passes out of the vag? What about when it's halfway out? Is that just half a murder? What magically makes it murder post-vag but not pre-vag?

And I'll even give you rape, if a woman is raped she should be able to get an abortion at any point. But rape only accounts for like less than 1% of abortions, the issue is kind of all those other ones.

[Whale biologist]

Okay cool so, it's only murder once the babby passes out of the vag? What about when it's halfway out? Is that just half a murder? What magically makes it murder post-vag but not pre-vag?


You're being willfully illiterate right now and I don't like you!!

Read the link or get lost.

[JurisDictum]

Also please ditch the stupid george carlin "ya don't care after they're born!!" thing. For one thing george carlin wasn't really that funny, and also it's a total non sequitur. Republicans don't care about you once you're born, sure let's grant that. It also doesn't mean killing babies is okay. How are they related? It's just a dumb failed gotcha.

The argument was that they don't actually care about life and really its just another rationalization for getting to channel their anger at some group of evil people.

This is not a grand point. But there is only so many angles to tackle the abortion argument. Some see it as murder, some do not, they are kind of at an impasse.

It is somewhat relevant what the motivation of the two sides of the dispute hold.

[Mesocyclone]

Texas bad for not killing babies. I've fucking heard it all. HOW YA DOING TONIGHT, SATAN?

[Horza]

Also please ditch the stupid george carlin "ya don't care after they're born!!" thing. For one thing george carlin wasn't really that funny, and also it's a total non sequitur. Republicans don't care about you once you're born, sure let's grant that. It also doesn't mean killing babies is okay. How are they related? It's just a dumb failed gotcha.

Fascist apologia is one thing but saying Carlin wasn't that funny just to own the libs is going too far.

[Jibartik]

Whale biologist you just said the court determines the trimester rule?

What the fuck is a court addressing medical issues for?

You people use the justice systems decision about consciousness as your arguments about why it’s ok to kill an inconvenient baby.

Smh

[Whale biologist]

Whale biologist you just said the court determines the trimester rule?

That was the standard under Roe. Under Casey, it is fetal viability. That's the current precedent.

What the fuck is a court addressing medical issues for?

Because laws interact with the US Constitution.

You people use the justice systems decision about consciousness as your arguments about why it’s ok to kill an inconvenient baby.

See above.

Smh

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[starkind]

My taxpayer money going to the enforcement of peoples feelings and morals as a reward for lawsuits and coming from the government is violence upon my religious self and against my faith that only Odin can determine your worthiness and honor and place in the end times and Valhalla.

Texans will not be fighting ice giants in glorious battle. They'll be screaming like little frozen bitches in the ditch.

[unsunghero]

I can’t wait for the proclamation that we’ve found life on Mars so that I can grab my cat and scream “A COLLECTION OF CELLS IS NOT LIFE YOU FUCKING NAZIS!!!!!”

[Gravydoo II]

I can’t wait for the proclamation that we’ve found life on Mars so that I can grab my cat and scream “A COLLECTION OF CELLS IS NOT LIFE YOU FUCKING NAZIS!!!!!”

LOL you dont believe in words or science

[imperiouskitten]

abortions are kinda gross. maybe avoid

[starkind]

Abortions are gross.

And so are weirdo strangers and some monolithic government agency regulating and getting involved. Using our money to investigate or prosecute people over the levels of perceived grossness.

Idk. We have way bigger problems like massive floods and obesity yet private citizens and doctors performing Abortions or contraception with private money is "that single issue".

All in order to cash in on that government paid $10k lotto ticket.

Both things ideas actions scenarios are gross. Big government is grosser though. And government payouts are commie. So I don't honestly see why either side could endorse such a law with any integrity. Especially the muh rights no step don't tread on me or spend my income side.

[Jibartik]

The abortion debate be like:

"It is murder"

"No! it's--

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[imperiouskitten]

3:30 is me and ironlion

[Whale biologist]

The abortion debate be like:

"It is murder"

"No! it's--

71xxvp5R9hE

No! It's like "make a legal argument or get lost." :cool:

[Jibartik]

No! It's like "make a legal argument or get lost." :cool:

Im not debating america's choices here I am just saying if you are pro abortion you've rationalized killing for the purpose of making your life better in the tribe.

[Mesocyclone]

Don't worry about being evil. the Creator is evil too. The "good" Lord is a myth,
but the Lord God Almighty is real.

Everything else is bullshit.

[Whale biologist]

Im not debating america's choices here I am just saying if you are pro abortion you've rationalized killing for the purpose of making your life better in the tribe.

Sounds like a moral argument. :o

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[Baler]

biden arms the taliban
biden wants to disarm americans

what clown world am I living in.

[hobart]

biden arms the taliban
biden wants to disarm americans

what clown world am I living in.

Your own head.

Biden has been President for eight months out of 20+ years you retard.

[Mesocyclone]

Hurricane Biden.

[Baler]

Your own head.

Biden has been President for eight months out of 20+ years you retard.

Biden has been in the white house for well over 9 years

you retard.

Fast and Furious - Obama/Biden smuggling guns out of the usa
Afghan retreat - Biden leaving people behind plus arming the taliban with usa guns after pulling out of afghan

Nothing changed it seems. His policies from obama era hold true.
For you sit there and tell me that this shit is all in my head and he's just getting started. You seriously need to rethink.

[Jibartik]

Sounds like a moral argument. :o

It is, im specifically arguing that.

Because I dont understand the concept of killing off other people so a few other people can have a more chill society.

If you cant admit that is the issue we are debating with abortion then you're living in and contributing to a hypernoramlized world.

I dont see how you can argue for murder or eugenics being a crime and abortion being a legal right without literally fooling yourself.

[Thorgrimm]

Your own head.

Biden has been President for eight months out of 20+ years you retard.

In the 8 months since he's been soiling up The Oval Office he's done more damage to this country than all previous presidents combined

He's also been in Washington for 50 years

[Whale biologist]

In the 8 months since he's been soiling up The Oval Office he's done more damage to this country than all previous presidents combined

He's also been in Washington for 50 years

The truth is he's gotten very little done due to Senate rules. He's been very middling.

Not great, not terrible.

[Jibartik]

It's not about what biden cant get through the senate.

It's the cacophony of disasters that follow each one of his failures that is the problem.

[Ooloo]

He sucks as much as he does even *with* the media and big tech running cover for him. Don Lemon is all "don't be so hard on Biden because of afghanistan". Can you possibly imagine him saying such a thing if trump had pulled out in that manner, and stranded that many people behind, for literally no good reason? The bias is so obnoxiously self evident I don't understand how anyone denies it anymore.

[Whale biologist]

It's not about what biden cant get through the senate.

It's the cacophony of disasters that follow each one of his failures that is the problem.

Right, there's a choir willing and eager to make bad scary noise about everything he does or doesn't do. Doesn't have much to do with the political reality, they should be ignored. :p

[Jibartik]

I mean just like trump made it easy for me to hate him biden does it too.

Its not like only 1 side of that religion has a choir.

[Ooloo]

Right, there's a choir willing and eager to make bad scary noise about everything he does or doesn't do. Doesn't have much to do with the political reality, they should be ignored. :p

So he has no culpability for his actual decision making as the literal president? Even *democrats* agree he totally fucked up afghanistan. Then he claims "the buck stops with me" while trying to pass the buck. He's a completely incompetent senile failure and it's only been 8 months. I'm sure as he gets older and more senile he'll finally start making those sharp cunning decisions. Without Trump in the whitehouse after all, the "adults" are back lmao.

Trump, the blowhard reality TV billionaire, is more of an adult than Biden. Sad.

[JurisDictum]

Alright you gonna have to put your big boy pants on and try to keep up with me for this one:

The world is often a dangerous place filled with violent deranged poor people. Sometimes in our power games competing with other empires we deal with less than desirable groups -- like angry Islamic militants.

For example, we used a group of angry Islamic militants known as the Taliban to fight Soviet Russia. We then were attacked by a peripheral group in Afghanistan that the Taliban didn't want to give up (Al-Qaeda / Osama Bin Laden). So we allied with warlords out there that molested underage boys (its just "boy fun" don't talk about it), and corrupt metropolitan assholes like Karzai against the Taliban.

It turns out that Karzai is a useless asshole. When we needed help killing ISIS off, we used the Taliban because guys like Karzai are about as useful as a hole in our wallet. We don't think either of these guys are good. But ISIS is a real threat so we work with the bad men...you see? America sometimes needs to accept the world as it is and we need to work with people in charge we don't like.

So Biden (or Trump if he won) has to work with the Taliban moving foreword -- not because he personally likes him, but because we need them to work with us against terrorists moving foreword. Karzai wasn't an option and nothing Biden (or Trump) did would make it so.

[Whale biologist]

So he has no culpability for his actual decision making as the literal president? Even *democrats* agree he totally fucked up afghanistan. Then he claims "the buck stops with me" while trying to pass the buck. He's a completely incompetent senile failure and it's only been 8 months. I'm sure as he gets older and more senile he'll finally start making those sharp cunning decisions. Without Trump in the whitehouse after all, the "adults" are back lmao.

Trump, the blowhard reality TV billionaire, is more of an adult than Biden. Sad.

Yeah that kind of malarkey is why I tune you out, son. ;)

Culpable is fine, but cogent criticism please.

[Jibartik]

Trump is satan, Biden is an angry man.

Satan is more interesting.

Although Obama is the one that made the death car they ride in and named it The Beast so 666 is really the chair not the one sitting in it.

7oDEn1ewP14

[Topgunben]

Can someone please explain to me why we left all our military equipment for the Taliban instead of destroying it?

[JurisDictum]

Can someone please explain to me why we left all our military equipment for the Taliban instead of destroying it?

We plan to let them use it in exchange for killing anti-American terrorists. We probably plan to arm them further moving foreword to maintain influence over Afghanistan rather than let China get all the mineral wealth for themselves. Also Heroin.

[Whale biologist]

Can someone please explain to me why we left all our military equipment for the Taliban instead of destroying it?

Probley in the deal Trump made with the Taliban in exchange for a bloodless egress. :p

[Topgunben]

Probley in the deal Trump made with the Taliban in exchange for a bloodless egress. :p

seems like a bad idea

[JurisDictum]

Again, something people miss is the Taliban was our group of bastard Islamists that reject outsiders to begin with.* Working with them is the norm, the war with them was not. We successfully changed their tune about anti-American terrorism. That's the one accomplishment of this war.

Israel creates a lot of ant-American sentiment. So do drone strikes. But they know there is a way to get on the other side of those drone strikes now. They also care more about their own country than Palestin. The are rife to be bought off. We will save money by paying them and not the DC contractors as much.

*not literally as pointed out below. But its the same damn kinds of guys all over the world. My point is, we always work with a Taliban-like entity in these countries.

[Whale biologist]

For example, we used a group of angry Islamic militants known as the Taliban to fight Soviet Russia.

*Mujahideen. Taliban were students in the Islamic schools those cats set up.

[Ooloo]

Yeah that kind of malarkey is why I tune you out, son. ;)

Culpable is fine, but cogent criticism please.

I provide plenty of cogent criticism, I just usually pepper it with personal insults because I actually find it quite offensive that I'm being represented as an american by the decisions of this applesauce-eating grandpa. I notice you didn't provide any defense of his afghanistan "strategy". Because it's indefensible.

[Whale biologist]

seems like a bad idea

It would have been a much bloodier exit with the Taliban attacking us during evacuation.

[Ooloo]

It made sense to ally with them to defeat the soviets, because the soviet union was still a credible nuclear threat at the time. The mujahideen\taliban, while awful, were primitive goat farmers. Which is the bigger threat? War is messy and imprecise. That still doesn't excuse biden's handling of the US withdraw. We betrayed and abandoned american citizens, allies like the UK, and sympathetic afghan allies. We pulled our military out literally over a weekend, BEFORE the citizens. What the actual hell?? How can anybody even attempt to defend this? Yes it was going to be chaotic no matter what, but it didn't have to be *this* chaotic and that falls squarely on Biden.

Whatever deals trump negotiated are moot, he's not the commander in chief anymore, biden is. I'm sure trump negotiated those deals expecting to win re-election and thus oversee their execution. He didn't win, so now it's biden's job, and he failed. Simple as that. Accept it, you elected somebody even more incompetent than trump. Cope.

[Whale biologist]

Whatever deals trump negotiated are moot, he's not the commander in chief anymore, biden is.

See that's why you're not worth arguing with. :(

[JurisDictum]

I'm more interested in defending withdraw and cooperation with the Taliban moving foreword than the particular details of how Biden handled it.

But the reason I don't simply join the chorius criticizing Biden is twofold:

1) There was a principal-agent problem. Every time you try to get the military to withdraw, the actors making bank resist it. We have supposedly been making progress this whole damn time...obviously BS. If Biden delayed -- your stupid to think the military wouldn't try to delay him more after that. There may very well be a magic time that would have worked best -- but we or he doesn't know that. He just knows we are wasting money every day and being jerked around by the leadership and contractors out there.

2) The negatives are covered in great deal with the withdraw. Unless of course, the coverage is bad for the military. Like when we killed 10 family members of some civilian in our latest retaliation attack against ISIS terrorists (they say they got them, but wont release the name of who they got -- be skeptical). But we do hear about some guy who gets iced before escaping to the airport, someone missing, etc.

We didn't hear a lot about the deaths of random 20-somethings trickling in over the years. Or the enmity that is created when our troops fuck up something in the fog of war. Every day we stayed in Afghanistan costs something. Because of our deal with the Taliban recently, very few of our military members have died out there in last several months (barring the terrorist attack that happened against both us and the Taliban on the way out). If relations broke down with them so we could stay longer to "ensure our people get out (...?)" who knows what kind of death toll would result in the end.

[Duik]

From https://gizmodo.com/gop-quietly-scrubs-webpage-detailing-trumps-historic-pe-1847492947


The GOP has pulled7 a webpage praising Donald Trump over his administration’s “historic peace agreement with the Taliban.” The page, which has been archived

https://web.archive.org/web/20210615230810/https://gop.com/president-trump-is-bringing-peace-to-the-middle-east-rsr/




President Trump's Peacemaking Efforts Have Achieved Incredible Results Including Obtaining Historic Peace Agreements Between Arab Countries And Israel, Garnering President Trump Two Nobel Peace Prize Nominations


Hillarity.

Should have taken the blue pill.

Try typing
https://gop.com/president-trump-is-bringing-peace-to-the-middle-east-rsr/
in ya browser. Biden is there on the GOP site.

Another country (amongst others) tries to "change" history. They called China.
Hilarity.
End thread.

[unsunghero]

Hillarity.

Should have taken the blue pill.

UAE, Bahrain and Israel are these whole other places

[Mesocyclone]

Hillarity Clinton and Cackling Kamala Harris 2024

Hillarity on Jan 6, 2024: "And Joe, when you bring me out, can you introduce me as Joker."

[Duik]

Its the changing of the site i was pointing out numbnuts.
So proud of the accomplishment they wiped it from the record? Why?
Misdirection and stealth. It does not fit with what is required for YOU to read or remember.
Ok. Continue on blindly making excuses for it.
Why hide it?

[unsunghero]

Its the changing of the site i was pointing out numbnuts.
So proud of the accomplishment they wiped it from the record? Why?
Misdirection and stealth. It does not fit with what is required for YOU to read or remember.
Ok. Continue on blindly making excuses for it.
Why hide it?

I don’t need to consult the GOP page to remember things. It was common knowledge which nations the peace agreement was between. In fact I’ve never consulted the GOP page, but I applaud your candor with checking it, although I think you are reading too much into it

[Duik]

Excuse.

[unsunghero]

Excuse.

Hmmm

Is this the GOP site? You know it better than I

https://gop.com/rapid-response/trump-brought-peace-biden-brings-chaos/

“ Today marks one year since the first agreement under the Abraham Accords was reached between Israel and the United Arab Emirates thanks to President Donald Trump’s leadership.

By empowering our allies, Trump brought about the first peace agreement in the Middle East in 26 years. And then he followed it up with agreements with Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco”

Next time check your propaganda mill sources before you blindly link them

[Duik]

Hey dumbfuck, i was referring to the complete removal of the OBVIOUSLY embarrassing massive Trump applaud piece they were happy to roll out then. But as soon as it is a bit, how shall I put it, contrary to requirements it gets canned.
Again, for the dumbarses, IT'S THE REMOVAL about which I link, why remove it. It was good then, why not now.

Removal. Removal. Cough. Redirect. Misdirection.

Retract dumbfuck reference.
It's an insult to dumbfucks.

[unsunghero]

Hey dumbfuck, i was referring to the complete removal of the OBVIOUSLY embarrassing massive Trump applaud piece they were happy to roll out then. But as soon as it is a bit, how shall I put it, contrary to requirements it gets canned.
Again, for the dumbarses, IT'S THE REMOVAL about which I link, why remove it. It was good then, why not now.

Removal. Removal. Cough. Redirect. Misdirection.

Retract dumbfuck reference.
It's an insult to dumbfucks.

Lol yes they removed information about it so well that someone completely unfamiliar with the site found it in 10 seconds of looking

THEY SURE MUST BE HELLA EMBARRASSED

[Thorgrimm]

Hey dumbfuck, i was referring to the complete removal of the OBVIOUSLY embarrassing massive Trump applaud piece they were happy to roll out then. But as soon as it is a bit, how shall I put it, contrary to requirements it gets canned.
Again, for the dumbarses, IT'S THE REMOVAL about which I link, why remove it. It was good then, why not now.

Removal. Removal. Cough. Redirect. Misdirection.

Retract dumbfuck reference.
It's an insult to dumbfucks.

Trump Trump Trump You can't stop posting about Trump

The Taliban conquered Afghanistan when Biden was President

He even armed them with 80B in Us Weaponry and Technology

Sorry you didn't get the memo

[Duik]

I cant help you girls. Ya on ya own.
Toodle Pipski Fuckers.

[unsunghero]

I cant help you girls. Ya on ya own.
Toodle Pipski Fuckers.

I agree I’m beyond help :P

[imperiouskitten]

fare thee well where the great hogs smell

[Baler]

I wonder what they got for selling American tech to china, russia and other countries.

Maybe some fertilizer for their poppy fields.

[Duik]

I don’t need to consult the GOP page to remember things....In fact I’ve never consulted the GOP page, but I applaud your candor with checking it, although I think you are reading too much into it

Is this the GOP site? You know it better than I


Quite possibly, based on your reply.

Numbnuts.

[Duik]

Lol yes they removed information about it so well that someone completely unfamiliar with the site found it in 10 seconds of looking

THEY SURE MUST BE HELLA EMBARRASSED


If it makes you feel any better, I didn't consult the gop site to find it, I found a reference elsewhere that pointed out its removal. I just wondered why. Cough, i know why.
I was just asking a house brick their opinion.
I got one!

[Mesocyclone]

Taliban going door to door looking for U.S. citizens

One day soon there will be no more evil. I have come not to bring peace to the earth, but to destroy it.

[starkind]

well we go door to door lookijng for afghanni citizens in our country so..

[starkind]

Trump is satan, Biden is an angry man.

Satan is more interesting.

Although Obama is the one that made the death car they ride in and named it The Beast so 666 is really the chair not the one sitting in it.

7oDEn1ewP14

seems kinda week tho relly

were are the mechs escoriting the guy with the cyborg hud and the president on google glass in the back with on a vehicle with no windows and reactive armor? and point defense liek come on ppl

[Jibartik]

Democrats are so insane that they wanna give Biden credit for ending the war in Afghanistan and Trump blame for the evacuation disaster.

That’s literally the opposite of what really happened.

[Whale biologist]

Democrats are so insane that they wanna give Biden credit for ending the war in Afghanistan and Trump blame for the evacuation disaster.

That’s literally the opposite of what really happened.

They deserve equal credit for a relatively peaceful exit, though 13 is a tragic number and deserves mourning.

kWMo5FBOfd0

[Ooloo]

They both deserve blame for what is going to happen to the citizens of afghanistan. There are 18 year old afghan girls who have never known what it's like to live under the taliban, who are about to find out what sex slavery means. It only took a presence of about 2500 US troops to keep the country relatively stable, leaving was a mistake. It made our country less safe (terrorists can plan terrorisms easily now) and it certainly made afghanistan less safe. And it empowered countries like china who have no scruples and are willing to bro down with the taliban. There is absolutely no strategic justification for leaving, not to mention the manner in which we left, not to mention the 80 billion dollars of military equipment we LEFT BEHIND. Like whaaaaaaat the fuck??

[Whale biologist]

It made our country less safe (terrorists can plan terrorisms easily now)

not to mention the 80 billion dollars of military equipment we LEFT BEHIND. Like

Need gear to interdict terrorist activity.

Like it or not, the Taliban are our security partners now(Thanks Trump! Thanks Biden!) like Saudi Arabia. Ick.

[Jibartik]

They deserve equal credit for a relatively peaceful exit, though 13 is a tragic number and deserves mourning.

I dont know why biden gets credit for a peaceful exit during trump and a complete failure of one under biden but I have a feeling youre really biting your nails about 2024 so Ill allow it.

edit: :o

[Whale biologist]

I have a feeling youre really biting your nails about 2024 so Ill allow it.

edit: :o

2022 will be worse. goodie, another divided government. :rolleyes:

On the bright side, the insane yelling some rightwads are doing atm dampens that likely outcome.

[Jibartik]

Even so, the right wads right now are grinding their teeth holding back even more I promise you just wait till the floogates open when the trumpet comes back.

[Ooloo]

A divided government is good. That's the whole point; avoiding one-party rule. It's not *ideal* but it's the best system yet divised. Utopia is never going to happen, all we can do is get closer. Biden sucks shit, so he will likely be voted out, as he should be.

[unsunghero]

I was just asking a house brick their opinion.
I got one!

A brick shithouse you mean! :)

[starkind]

Just remember they don't want Americans to have guns, body armor or cheap fuel. Or freedom. Or encrypted privately owned comms. Or airplanes. Or missiles. Or Blackhawks thatve been in service since Vietnam either.

Or laser, radar, infrared guidance etc.

They deliberately nerfe ur cellphones so you can't defend yourself from them or load up your own ogg vorbis files to listen to while you defend yourself from them.

The only way to win is to join them in order to get the military on our side and have the bases. Yet once you do that you also lose your independence and become them. Soldiers are kept on just as short if not shorter leashes.

Then we could refuse to work, refuse to transfer feuel. For them. Try to force them to shut down bases and scrap the navy.

And then we'd be at the mercy of the UN. Which are useless and worse.

This is Afghanistan.

A mirror of the U S.

Even if things get really bad Jeff bezos gates Koch mercer soros epstien murdoch can just use cheaply sourced kazahk and Siberian aluminum and steal made in Russia with a few soft bribes to putins robot form to put you back down and into your place.

Bitching about Afghanistan and gas prices and obamacare and regereon on p99 forums.

Hi CIA, NSA, Carnivore. Gang stalkers. And non existent shell companies. The VA won't pay for an xray. They can microchip and poison u with seretogenic drugs tho. So you become another news at 11 casualty.

Stay safe kids. Stay healthy. Stay strong. Stay outa Walmart and the supermart as much as u can. Go down and pay the Amish for what is in season even if it costs more money. It costs less in sin, health, braincells and servitude to lucifer.

[Whale biologist]

A divided government is good. That's the whole point; avoiding one-party rule. It's not *ideal* but it's the best system yet divised. Utopia is never going to happen, all we can do is get closer. Biden sucks shit, so he will likely be voted out, as he should be.

Would it follow, then, that Joe Manchin III is heckin' cute and valid? :p

[Horza]

They deserve equal credit for a relatively peaceful exit, though 13 is a tragic number and deserves mourning.

It wouldn't be a cult of personality if conservatives like Jib could give credit to anyone but their glorious former president.

[Thorgrimm]

They both deserve blame for what is going to happen to the citizens of afghanistan. There are 18 year old afghan girls who have never known what it's like to live under the taliban, who are about to find out what sex slavery means. It only took a presence of about 2500 US troops to keep the country relatively stable, leaving was a mistake. It made our country less safe (terrorists can plan terrorisms easily now) and it certainly made afghanistan less safe. And it empowered countries like china who have no scruples and are willing to bro down with the taliban. There is absolutely no strategic justification for leaving, not to mention the manner in which we left, not to mention the 80 billion dollars of military equipment we LEFT BEHIND. Like whaaaaaaat the fuck??

All on Biden

Anyone who supports or voted for Biden deserves to be blamed as well

[Danth]

Need gear to interdict terrorist activity.

Like it or not, the Taliban are our security partners now like Saudi Arabia. Ick.

"Ick" is right. I trust them like I trust a scorpion.

[blindedsoul]

Just another reminder, trump evacuated less than 100 people after he made the deal with the Taliban.
Trump released 5,000 of their top fighters and the Taliban leader all while refusing the Afghani govt a seat at the table he was also inept enough to get no terms other than the US surrender to the Taliban.

This is compared to biden with over 89k evacuated, that is over a 5,000% better ratio.

Welcome to input but its disingenuous to not act like trump did not make this deal, and trump had no evacuation plan after doing so.

[Mesocyclone]

I need denture cream. And some vodka. And Ice cream.

[Thorgrimm]

Just another reminder, trump evacuated less than 100 people after he made the deal with the Taliban.
Trump released 5,000 of their top fighters and the Taliban leader all while refusing the Afghani govt a seat at the table he was also inept enough to get no terms other than the US surrender to the Taliban.

This is compared to biden with over 89k evacuated, that is over a 5,000% better ratio.

Welcome to input but its disingenuous to not act like trump did not make this deal, and trump had no evacuation plan after doing so.

Just a reminder

The Taliban wasn't conquering the country like crap through a goose when Trump was President

No evacuations on such a scale were necessary

They only became necessary because of Biden's incompetence. There are still Americans trapped there by the way in case you didn't get the memo.

[Baler]

Former president of afghan called the usa in some capacity before usa pulled out and told usa afghan didn't stand a chance against the taliban.

biden's response "come on man"

[Whale biologist]

Former president of afghan called the usa in some capacity before usa pulled out and told usa they didn't stand a chance against the taliban.

biden's response "come on man"

The United States has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests. :p

[Jibartik]

Just another reminder, trump evacuated less than 100 people after he made the deal with the Taliban.
Trump released 5,000 of their top fighters and the Taliban leader all while refusing the Afghani govt a seat at the table he was also inept enough to get no terms other than the US surrender to the Taliban.

This is compared to biden with over 89k evacuated, that is over a 5,000% better ratio.

Welcome to input but its disingenuous to not act like trump did not make this deal, and trump had no evacuation plan after doing so.

What are you talking about lol! Trump reduced the troop presence from 15,000 to 2500 Biden reduced it from 2500 to 0 and then increased it to 6000 and then left 75% the military equipment in Taliban control while civilians were falling off of airplanes and being helicopter airlifted out when Biden promised we wouldn’t.

This delusional level of gaslighting by democrats is just gonna set trump up to completely destroy you in 2024 the same way denying trump effed up the covid situation cost him it in 2020.

You just can’t lie like this it just doesn’t work

[imperiouskitten]

I found this interesting since all Afghan history pre soviet is typically memholed!

aKBpTThDopY

[Baler]

Taliban have decreed that women must wear an abaya robe and niqab to cover their faces.

We knew this was coming. But there it is.

[Trexller]

Just another reminder, trump evacuated less than 100 people after he made the deal with the Taliban.
Trump released 5,000 of their top fighters and the Taliban leader all while refusing the Afghani govt a seat at the table he was also inept enough to get no terms other than the US surrender to the Taliban.

This is compared to biden with over 89k evacuated, that is over a 5,000% better ratio.

Welcome to input but its disingenuous to not act like trump did not make this deal, and trump had no evacuation plan after doing so.

more trump trump trump because you all have no defense for biden.

So here you go:

Trump may have made the deal but he was not the sitting American President during the implementation of "the plan". Do you know the details of, "the plan"? I don't. I only know the little bit that was told to the public, which was really nothing. Was it a good plan? was it a bad plan? who among us could know?

All you and I know for sure is that the sitting president, Biden executed, "a bad plan" for whatever reason. Trump was not the sitting president, Trump did not execute the plan.

Hey you know that guy in florida who just shot a family? Is that your fault? Nope its not, you weren't there.

he lost an election 11 months ago and still lives rent free in lib heads. Not just you, but all the libs who vomit up ORANGE MAN BAD, anytime you are offered criticism of your ideology.

This is so pathetic lol, you're all like teen girls pining for years over that crush who never knew your name, because he doesn't, and he doesn't care.

Obviously you never learned anything about global politics, regardless of whatever or where bad things happen, its always the fault of the sitting american president.

It's Biden's fault, if for no other reason than he said the word, "Go" its clear as day, unless you're blind.

the rest of you anti-trump fanbois need to find a new crush, you reek of desperation, and this is not an attractive quality.

[Mesocyclone]

Denture cream, vodka, and ice cream. Do I need to show a driver license? Do you know that Parker Brothers had a monopoly on Monopoly?

[Trexller]

Denture cream, vodka, and ice cream.

The "Pelosi" Diet

[Baler]

The "Pelosi" Diet

lmao

[Horza]

more trump trump trump because you all have no defense for biden.

So here you go:

Trump may have made the deal but he was not the sitting American President during the implementation of "the plan". Do you know the details of, "the plan"? I don't. I only know the little bit that was told to the public, which was really nothing. Was it a good plan? was it a bad plan? who among us could know?

All you and I know for sure is that the sitting president, Biden executed, "a bad plan" for whatever reason. Trump was not the sitting president, Trump did not execute the plan.

Hey you know that guy in florida who just shot a family? Is that your fault? Nope its not, you weren't there.

he lost an election 11 months ago and still lives rent free in lib heads. Not just you, but all the libs who vomit up ORANGE MAN BAD, anytime you are offered criticism of your ideology.

This is so pathetic lol, you're all like teen girls pining for years over that crush who never knew your name, because he doesn't, and he doesn't care.

Obviously you never learned anything about global politics, regardless of whatever or where bad things happen, its always the fault of the sitting american president.

It's Biden's fault, if for no other reason than he said the word, "Go" its clear as day, unless you're blind.

the rest of you anti-trump fanbois need to find a new crush, you reek of desperation, and this is not an attractive quality.

Bush must be laughing his ass off.

[starkind]

What are you talking about lol! Trump reduced the troop presence from 15,000 to 2500 Biden reduced it from 2500 to 0 and then increased it to 6000 and then left 75% the military equipment in Taliban control while civilians were falling off of airplanes and being helicopter airlifted out when Biden promised we wouldn’t.

This delusional level of gaslighting by democrats is just gonna set trump up to completely destroy you in 2024 the same way denying trump effed up the covid situation cost him it in 2020.

You just can’t lie like this it just doesn’t work
CNNs spin is so lazy it looks like it was designed for FXnews guppies.

You're right and super liberal offended people dependent on the lawyerquest and status quo IRL aren't interested in being bipartisan, magnanimous, introspective, or honest so IDK what you are really expecting from people who have a dog in this ponyshow. Even if it's all entirely just egocentric at this point.

Hope this help, someone.

[Trexller]

CNNs spin is so lazy it looks like it was designed for FXnews guppies.

You're right and super liberal offended people dependent on the lawyerquest and status quo IRL aren't interested in being bipartisan, magnanimous, introspective, or honest so IDK what you are really expecting from people who have a dog in this ponyshow. Even if it's all entirely just egocentric at this point.

Hope this help, someone.

take it from a professional expert on the matter,

you need some weed. real flower like an indica heavy hybrid, not extracts. Small hits in some regularity, not a whole blunt to the head.

leafedout.com, if you don't know anyone locally.

[Trexller]

Bush must be laughing his ass off.

haha yeah I'd have paid good money to sit in the room with him while the afghan withdrawl was in full swing, watching him go, "HAH Not so easy, is it?!" between lines of coke.

[starkind]

take it from a professional expert on the matter,

you need some weed. real flower like an indica heavy hybrid, not extracts. Small hits in some regularity, not a whole blunt to the head.

leafedout.com, if you don't know anyone locally.

I'm chill man. Thx. :D

[Trexller]

I'm chill man. Thx. :D

unless "i'm chill" means "I'm good, no thank you"

my prescription still stands, also im extending it to most of you.

smoke some weed and then ask yourself what you really care about.

[Baler]

smoke some weed and then ask yourself what you really care about.

In afghan they smoke hash everyday.

[Trexller]

In afghan they smoke hash everyday.

yeah but that won't redeem them.

i saw a report about (allied) afghan soldiers smoking hash while on duty and then firing at random sounds.

Its surprising tho, in a country known for its opium, and i guess hash? they are some not-at-all chill dudes.

like cmon bruh, put down the AK-47 and smoke some of this AK-47

[Baler]

yeah but that won't redeem them.

i saw a report about (allied) afghan soldiers smoking hash while on duty and then firing at random sounds.

Its surprising tho, in a country known for its opium, and i guess hash? they are some not-at-all chill dudes.

like cmon bruh, put down the AK-47 and smoke some of this AK-47

agreed and the report is documentation by the us gov by the us military soldiers.

300k stoned afghan military toppled by 75k fundamentalists.

note: I don't condemn cannabis but a soldier can't be high. Unless they're in the jungle of vietnam. hehheh

[starkind]

unless "i'm chill" means "I'm good, no thank you"

my prescription still stands, also im extending it to most of you.

smoke some weed and then ask yourself what you really care about.
Man, all I really care about is my time on the shitter being easy and smooth, 2 come away relaxed and fresh feeling and have sweet dreams, like swimming around the ocean as a mermaid. Also there should be a ranged holydps class, and I want to be really skinny again.

Your prescription could help with all that I admit.

Tbh, I'm doing pretty swell on most fronts and really lack for want.

[Ooloo]

The ironic thing is that extracts and even just smoking flower all day blast your tolerance into orbit, and you barely get high.

There's this notion that if you smoke weed all day you're always all wacked out and high, but it actually makes you incapable of getting high. The people you need to worry about are the casuals who smoke a bong like once a month, because they get obliterated.

[Baler]

The ironic thing is that extracts and even just smoking flower all day blast your tolerance into orbit, and you barely get high.

There's this notion that if you smoke weed all day you're always all wacked out and high, but it actually makes you incapable of getting high. The people you need to worry about are the casuals who smoke a bong like once a month, because they get obliterated.

You could make the same argument about alcohol.

Problem is, it affects your hand eye coordination which is important for firearm use.

[Duik]

Casual Scum.

[Baler]

Casual Scum.

https://i.imgur.com/T2eX7mD.gif

[unsunghero]

Can't compromise lung performance with carcinogens from smoke, even vaporized smoke

When I do weed, it's edibles only

[Baler]

Can't compromise lung performance with carcinogens from smoke, even vaporized smoke

When I do weed, it's edibles only

so that's the thing...

Smoking anything is bad for you. It's a no brainer the health effects.
There are safer ways to consume your cannabis as you stated, such as edibles.

Not that I want to load up 50lb+ of gear and go march in the desert of afghan.
fuck that, even healthy lungs would be like wtf

[starkind]

Would u say coccaine is good for firearms use?

Shit that was a real upper always gave me jittery hands even when I wasn't anxious.

I probably would have been a better shot on opium. A lot slower tho. Sometimes ya need a lot of patience tho. For some strats.

I think the Afghans regulars caved more because of moral and half were / fundamentalist, or at least just very orthodox and they just want to go back home and marry their cousins. Never really believed in "the cause" democracy or freedom n the sacrifice. And all that.

Free rides over and why fight another civil war when they'll just get reinvaded in another decade or both sides will get fueled up and played by less orthodox foreigners.

It sucks in some ways anyway, they had a small chance with American imperialism to get a halal Macland. And some wicked inflation and Foxconn style factorization. Likely now while they rape and pillage they'll simultaneously get raped and pillaged by bigger players on the global scale economiclly.

[Baler]

Would u say coccaine is good for firearms use?

No. no drug is good for firearm use.

Being a healthy person that is an adult who is in control of themselves is good firearm use.

[starkind]

No. no drug is good for firearm use.

Being a healthy person that is an adult who is in control of themselves is good firearm use.

Well shit.

[Baler]

Well shit.

hormones aren't a drug.

[Trexller]

The ironic thing is that extracts and even just smoking flower all day blast your tolerance into orbit, and you barely get high.

There's this notion that if you smoke weed all day you're always all wacked out and high, but it actually makes you incapable of getting high. The people you need to worry about are the casuals who smoke a bong like once a month, because they get obliterated.

true and not true, at least in my experience. I'm a 20 year stoner, a month break here and there, some longer. if i share a bowl with friends, im only gonna feel it a little, but i usually vape concentrates pretty hard when i wanna catch a real buzz. or a make a salad bowl and burn in thru a bong with a butane mini-torch.

In 20 years i never reached a point where i couldn't get high, just had to go from shit weed to good weed. my metabolism has always been a freight train though.

I'll point out that this chronic activity has not impeded my cognitive faculties in anyway that I can think of. (lol, you get it?) i score higher on iq tests than in school, well educated, read, etc...

so if weed really slows your brain down, without all those smokin' years, I'd probably be emperor of the world by now.

weed is definitely a YMMV thing.

[Baler]

dude salad bowls are the best
Edit: widow makers too

eidt2: but when I'm planning to go to the range and shoot hundreds of dollars in ammo. I keep a clean head.
edit3: also when I go hunting I stay clean. got a buck and 2 doe in 2021 plus 3 turkey. Slaying it. filling up the freezer.

[starkind]

hormones aren't a drug.

Idk where this is from

RZw2GBodNBA

It's kinda funny tho.

Idk. I don't always take my hormones and it's not like they really affect me a ton anymore. So that's not why. I sorta agree.

Ppl new 2 them or just getting into puberty naturally probably rly are going to experience some intense emotions and physical effects tho. Don't recommend them.

Hrt probably made me a worse shot. More jumpy and spicy no matter how cool I want 2 be.

I recommend the orthodox route if you want to be at the very peek of ur game.

Yes, admitting hormones have negative side effects and weakened me.

[Trexller]

dude salad bowls are the best
Edit: widow makers too

eidt2: but when I'm planning to go to the range and shoot hundreds of dollars in ammo. I keep a clean head.
edit3: also when I go hunting I stay clean. got a buck and 2 doe in 2021 plus 3 turkey. Slaying it. filling up the freezer.

Yeah i wouldn't think of goin to the range stoned. We kick drunk guys out all the time. Its 100% against club policy, any suspicion of intoxication is enough to make you leave the range. they wont revoke your membership for a single offense, because nothing is proved, you're just asked to step away. they serve beer on the other side of the club, where the fishing pond is. (1.5 miles from the range) that's where drunk guys belong.

also some of my friends like to blaze up on the golf course. stoned golf isn't fun for me. also they play like shit while stoned. 10$/hole anyone?

[Baler]

Yeah i wouldn't think of goin to the range stoned. We kick drunk guys out all the time. Its 100% against club policy, any suspicion of intoxication is enough to make you leave the range. they wont revoke your membership for a single offense, because they serve beer on the other side of the club, where the fishing pond is. (1.5 miles from the range) that's where drunk guys belong.

also some of my friends like to blaze up on the golf course. stoned golf isn't fun for me. also they play like shit while stoned. 10$/hole anyone?

:o I do golf with buddies who have a drinking problem. I'll admit that lol.
when baler isn't shit posting, he's calling a 4 on the green for the slowpokes down the lane.


edit: it's wild how people who think similarly do similar activities.

eidt:2 dude I HATE getting to the course and waiting in a line at tee time.

[Trexller]

:o I do golf with buddies who have a drinking problem. I'll admit that lol.
when baler isn't shit posting, he's calling a 4 on the green for the slowpokes down the lane.


edit: it's wild how people who think similarly do similar activities.

eidt:2 dude I HATE getting to the course and waiting in a line at tee time.

Ah yeah the slow golfer types, out there to drink, smoke cigars and complain about wives. Usually I keep pace, other days i wave 'em through if i just wanna relax out there.

When Baler hits the green while the other 3 try to punch back to the fairway from pine trees, Baler can use that time to shitpost!

[Baler]

Ah yeah the slow golfer types, out there to drink, smoke cigars and complain about wives. Usually I keep pace, other days i wave 'em through if i just wanna relax out there.

When Baler hits the green while the other 3 try to punch back to the fairway from pine trees, Baler can use that time to shitpost!

I don't own a modern phone so I can't connect.

Edit: YES wave them through, I get that 100%. Fuck trexller we should go golfing sometime haha

[Trexller]

I don't own a modern phone so I can't connect.

Edit: YES wave them through, I get that 100%. Fuck trexller we should go golfing sometime haha

yeah why not!

and you don't need a modern phone, can just write things down for later shitposting. the topics here don't change too much.

[Baler]

yeah why not!

and you don't need a modern phone, can just write things down for later shitposting. the topics here don't change too much.

I write a lot of stuff down the old school way.
For work and sometimes for the forums.

For anyone reading this later. I keep my business and private life seperate. Been working for the same company since I was 16 and emancipated. I don't shit up my real life. I have friends and family to care about. Forumquest is an outlet.


----
I may just fly out to you and hold you to a full course of golf!

[Ennewi]

One pro of living in Japan...

https://youtu.be/2xlUDUtftGw

One con of living in Japan...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-arrested-suspicion-stealing-more-033503520.html

[Mesocyclone]

The Taliban, citizens of Afghanistan, have retaken their nation from the West. Where's the news?

YES, they're Muslims and they're CRAZY. But its their nation. You don't police the dictators starving citizens in Africa why you policing the Middle East? Oil and Opium. Rich ancient white man gonna get what rich ancient white man wants, at the expense of We the Sheeple.

[Trexller]

The Taliban, citizens of Afghanistan, have retaken their nation from the West. Where's the news?

YES, they're Muslims and they're CRAZY. But its their nation. You don't police the dictators starving citizens in Africa why you policing the Middle East? Oil and Opium. Rich ancient white man gonna get what rich ancient white man wants, at the expense of We the Sheeple.

well to be fair... "retaken" in the sense of, allied forces just up and left... there was nobody to offer contest, a little good timing and I could have been the new afghan emperor.

[Jibartik]

Afghanistan is like that kind of ugly person that nobody wants to date because they are insane and kind of ugly and also has no job or money or prospects or interests really, but you think you can change them.

[Ooloo]

The Taliban, citizens of Afghanistan, have retaken their nation from the West. Where's the news?

YES, they're Muslims and they're CRAZY. But its their nation. You don't police the dictators starving citizens in Africa why you policing the Middle East? Oil and Opium. Rich ancient white man gonna get what rich ancient white man wants, at the expense of We the Sheeple.

This is just "since we can't do everything, let's do nothing". Afghanistan being good instead of bad, is good. It only took about 3000 US troops to keep it relatively stable. You're tiptoeing around moral relativism. Some cultures are better than others, some ideas are better than others. The united states was really onto something with the whole "all men are created equal" and liberty and all that jazz. Then some dork stands up and goes "yeah but slavery" as if that makes the idea invalid. No, it's still the best idea there is. You just need to uphold it.

[starkind]

Afghanistan is like that kind of ugly person that nobody wants to date because they are insane and kind of ugly and also has no job or money or prospects or interests really, but you think you can change them.

That's exactly what I said.

[Jibartik]

Sorry I missed it!

[Ooloo]

You could make the same argument about alcohol.

Problem is, it affects your hand eye coordination which is important for firearm use.

I don't think that's quite accurate. Yes you can develop a tolerance to alcohol, but it never gets to the point where you can chug a 2 liter bottle of vodka and not get drunk (and probably die). When I lived in california and had unlimited access to potent weed and concentrates, I literally could go through like 300 dollars worth of shatter and dabs in one sitting, and barely feel high. Weed has both tolerance and a ceiling. Alcohol has tolerance, but not a ceiling.

They are just different substances, with different effects on the human body.

Also not sure why this debate is in the afghanistan thread but whatever.

[Whale biologist]

there was nobody to offer contest

this is good phrasing

[Trexller]

Afghanistan is like that kind of ugly person that nobody wants to date because they are insane and kind of ugly and also has no job or money or prospects or interests really, but you think you can change them.

she's absolutely insane, but she's also absolutely insane in the bedroom!

nothing in the world like sex with a woman who, would just as soon bang you, as she would sell your organs.

[Horza]

This is just "since we can't do everything, let's do nothing". Afghanistan being good instead of bad, is good. It only took about 3000 US troops to keep it relatively stable. You're tiptoeing around moral relativism. Some cultures are better than others, some ideas are better than others. The united states was really onto something with the whole "all men are created equal" and liberty and all that jazz. Then some dork stands up and goes "yeah but slavery" as if that makes the idea invalid. No, it's still the best idea there is. You just need to uphold it.

Twenty years and two failed occupations later, Republicans are still advocating endless foreign wars in the name of equality.

[Baler]

Twenty years and two failed occupations later, Republicans are still advocating endless foreign wars in the name of equality.

Why did biden in his first week send us to war in syria for oil?

[Horza]

Why did biden in his first week send us to war in syria for oil?

How many boots did he put on the ground, my conservative chum?

[Baler]

How many boots did he put on the ground, my conservative chum?

:( you didnt answer my question. I needed your insight horza and you dismissed me.

I want to know why biden sent us troops to syria for oil.

[Trexller]

oil good. its an inconvenient truth.

only that we should pillage our own lands for natural resources. the grand canyon has yummy uranium!

energy independence is sexy

[Baler]

oh I was just messing with horza. Thanks though :)

(trying to get a lot of post count)

[Baler]

Taliban Claim they have taken over Panjshir.

It was one of the few places in afghan not under control by them.

[Trexller]

Taliban Claim they have taken over Panjshir.

It was one of the few places in afghan not under control by them.

yeah that country is no longer afghanistan, its now Talibanistan

[Jibartik]

How many boots did he put on the ground, my conservative chum?

The real systematic problem is that the worlds powers figured out how to maintain a constant controlled world war 3 and democrats are OK with it so long as we strike from orbit arm the locals dont send "boots on the ground"

Unless the "other guy" strikes from orbit, then we need to replace him with a Democrat in office so he can do it instead. There that's better.

[Horza]

The real systematic problem is that the worlds powers figured out how to maintain a constant controlled world war 3 and democrats are OK with it so long as we strike from orbit arm the locals dont send "boots on the ground"

Decades long, pointless occupations costing trillions of dollars aren't a real problem according to conservatives like yourself.

[Baler]

I had no idea that afghan had such a rich mineral diversity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan

Estimated $50 billion in gold and copper deposits.

[Trexller]

Decades long, pointless occupations costing trillions of dollars aren't a real problem according to conservatives like yourself.

which party got us involved, and dragged the vietnam conflict out for 19 years? Dem-O-Crats! Which party epically botched the withdrawl? Republicans!

not pointing fingers, but democrats have historically started more american foreign conflicts than repubs.

The Democrats even declared war on the U.S.A.

yeah, "Dixiecrats" thought we were gonna let that slide? lulz. its politics, if you did it once, you did it forever.

[Jibartik]

Horza spends more time arguing against opinions he pretends you believe in than he does actually listening to anyone here.

Like the quoted post couldnt have ANYTHING LESS to do with what your reply is, it's not even in the same universe as that, nor do I believe we should occupy afghanastan so I have NO clue what you are on about there.

Dude it's a holiday and you're already this upset, buy yourself a plane ticket to South Carolina, and DO SOMETHING with your life.

[Baler]

Horza spends more time arguing against opinions he pretends you believe in than he does actually listening to anyone here.

they also only respond with a single sentence or copy/paste links.
which doesn't lead to much discussion and more so arguments.

[Jibartik]

Horza think's he's part of the antifa army and trying to just disrupt anything that he thinks might somehow support anyone accidentally supporting or spreading fascist ideas.

His philosophy is that just talking about fascist ideas is enough for them to become real over time, so he's trying to make loud noises while other people talk because he think's that those other people are either A. real nazi's or B. brainwashed conservatives that are unknowingly nazi's

Horza may or may not go outside and actually perform acts of violence, but he strikes me as the person that is way to comfortable to do that, so instead of disrupting gatherings in Oregon he tries to do the same thing Antifa does there, online.

His mission is to create chaos, so that we cant have a discussion, because he's afraid if we do that we'll decide to become nazi's and drag other good folk down with us.

[Horza]

which party got us involved, and dragged the vietnam conflict out for 19 years? Dem-O-Crats! Which party epically botched the withdrawl? Republicans!

not pointing fingers, but democrats have historically started more american foreign conflicts than repubs.

The Democrats even declared war on the U.S.A.

yeah, "Dixiecrats" thought we were gonna let that slide? lulz. its politics, if you did it once, you did it forever.

George W. Bush is not a Democrat.

Horza think's he's part of the antifa army

lmao

[Baler]

damn,.. horza pepper sprayed an old lady and stole her groceries?
That's fucked up man.

[Jibartik]

George W. Bush is not a Democrat.

He is by today's standards.

[Baler]

something fascinating about afghan. They were in civil war from about 92-96 then the taliban took over from 96-2001. then America came in for 20 years.

[Baler]

Obama was the last president to invade Afghanistan and increase military presence. Lets be 100% clear, if it were not for trump Biden would cruise through his temporary position without even mentioning Afghanistan.

I dont know if Hillary would have got us out, somehow I doubt it but I am positive her supporters would disagree.

My argument stands: By today's standards, a Democrat is more like GW Bush than a republican.

imagine the taliban and hillary on the phone, lol.

Historically political parties values have changed multiple times. So it's not impossible for it to happen again. People don't like change so it takes time for change to happen.

Which is interesting because america's attempt at nation building in afghan was doomed from the start. Throw in changes to the political parties, I can't imagine any way it would have worked out.

[Horza]

My argument stands: By today's standards, a Democrat is more like GW Bush than a republican.

My argument: words have meanings and that matters even if you're retarded.

- the antifa army

[JurisDictum]

My understanding is the modern military industrial complex has decided it matters to keep US military deaths low. Deaths turn people against war. But they still are not sold on the idea that the US cares about foreign deaths, or generally wasteful military ventures.

So they are hoping calling it quits in Afghanistan will be enough. It was the one where we didn't really have any fighters out there that wanted to side with us. They did it for money and would try find a way out the entire time. You had one case of a guy signing up thousands of soldiers on paper, collecting their pay, and then hops the border to Pakistan -- there were no solders.

Iraq and Syria unfortunately -- we can get groups that actually represent a part of the population to fight our side of the cause. So the our defense industry and foreign policy establishment is no where near throwing in the towel.

But then there is a more macro historical view that demonstrates that failing empires tend to overextend leading up to their collapse. It is a way to try to deal with the illegitimacy back home brought on by an increasingly parasitic elite. We won't just disappear, but we may very well find that in a couple hundred years that America is no longer considered the world's only super power. If that is the case, Afghanistan might be marked as the Stalingrad of American Imperialism.

[Jibartik]

My understanding is the modern military industrial complex has decided it matters to keep US military deaths low. Deaths turn people against war. But they still are not sold on the idea that the US cares about foreign deaths, or generally wasteful military ventures.

I wish I could find the video but putin said his style of governance was to make people comfortable, and if they are comfortable you can get away with anything, but it has to be the majority that are comfortable so you can only get away with what the majority is comfortable with.

Basically he was saying, keep people just comfortable enough that they dont rebel and to min max that as best as you can.

Our acceptance of the non stop military strikes, border clashes, and violence as just a way of life so long as my Disney+ subscription remains uninterrupted is all too apparent IMO.

I cant count the times Ive said, "oh god this is going to start world war 3" and then we just go on with our lives like it never happened.

[Trexller]

I cant count the times Ive said, "oh god this is going to start world war 3" and then we just go on with our lives like it never happened.

Heres one way I look at the world, when trying to think about what may come to pass.

If it's gonna be bad for the 1% in some way, loss of money, power, whatever etc, then it's not gonna happen.

Seriously look at whatever doomsday event and think about whether or not its gonna be bad for the top of the ruling classes, if its pretty bad for them, you're good, gonna be fine.

[Jibartik]

Heres one way I look at the world, when trying to think about what may come to pass.

If it's gonna be bad for the 1% in some way, loss of money, power, whatever etc, then it's not gonna happen.

Seriously look at whatever doomsday event and think about whether or not its gonna be bad for the top of the ruling classes, if its pretty bad for them, you're good, gonna be fine.

I’m just saying that I was raised under the impression that if you’re a country and are shooting missiles or blowing up boats and things in other countries that’s an act of war but apparently that is not an act of war at all anymore, it’s just a way of life.

That’s a good little system you have though… like a canary in a coal mine would you think the 1% buying up giant islands is a sign that the canary might be dying?

[Trexller]

I’m just saying that I was raised under the impression that if you’re a country and are shooting missiles or blowing up boats and things in other countries that’s an act of war but apparently that is not an act of war at all anymore, it’s just a way of life.

I agree the 1% will remain and so do they.

Yeah it's always better to be launching missiles than receiving them.

And if you don't launch them on the reg, someone is gonna try to pull something against you.

If you wanna be the big kid on the playground, you gotta fight to remain the big kid on the playground.

This is geopolitics 101, if you don't agree with this axiom, then you either have utopian delusions or no idea how things work on the world stage, or any idea of human history.

We humans have not actually done anything except fight each other. Everything we have from the water that flows into your house to that chair you're sitting in, is a result of wartime necessity.

There are concepts deeper than this, but those all fall under efforts to impress a mate.

Human beings truly don't do anything but fight or mate. literal and abstract.

[JurisDictum]

Yeah it's always better to be launching missiles than receiving them.

And if you don't launch them on the reg, someone is gonna try to pull something against you.

If you wanna be the big kid on the playground, you gotta fight to remain the big kid on the playground.

This is geopolitics 101, if you don't agree with this axiom, then you either have utopian delusions or no idea how things work on the world stage, or any idea of human history.

We humans have not actually done anything except fight each other. Everything we have from the water that flows into your house to that chair you're sitting in, is a result of wartime necessity.

There are concepts deeper than this, but those all fall under efforts to impress a mate.

Human beings truly don't do anything but fight or mate. literal and abstract.

Might have gone a tad on the over-reductive side toward the end eh?

If you want to be a giant bully -- then yes, you have to push people around to maintain your big and bad reputation. But a big guy that is chilling out with other big friends -- that isn't a great target for bullying.

In general -- as long as you defend yourself -- there isn't really a lot to this idea that stalking the playground stealing lunch money makes you less likely to get your ass kicked. If anything, a bunch of kids might gang up on you and jump you.

The problem with Afghanistan is that we didn't accept the Taliban surrender early on. We needed to send a message that we'll kill terrorists that carry out big attacks. But that's all we needed to do. The rest was just rationalizations thought up by the military industrial complex to keep the money flowing.

No one really gave a shit. So the only people that were people making bank of the conflict advised our representatives. They obviously are going to lead things a different direction than someone looking for a way to get out. We need to -- as a society -- keep much closer tabs on whats going with our tax-funded military. Otherwise you are leaving the fox to watch the hen house.

[Gravydoo II]

I thought kids in cages was the big issue..
Or was it inflation...?
Oh it was the 74,000 missing ballots in AZ!
No no... it was something else... The debt! Yeah the debt! Thats the big problem!
Hmmm... maybe it was something else.. Qanon?
oh wait, got it... all the thousands of cities the blm burned to the ground.. literally thousands of them.

[Mesocyclone]

Sad when you gotta cheat to beat Donald Trump.

[Jibartik]

I thought kids in cages was the big issue..
Or was it inflation...?
Oh it was the 74,000 missing ballots in AZ!
No no... it was something else... The debt! Yeah the debt! Thats the big problem!
Hmmm... maybe it was something else.. Qanon?
oh wait, got it... all the thousands of cities the blm burned to the ground.. literally thousands of them.

Kids in cages was the big issue until biden was elected then it wasnt.

Infaltion is destroying our economy as we speak and you are going to be eating potato soup in 5 years.

those 75k ballots are why you are going to be in a shooting war downtown in 3 years.

The debt is why all of this is happening.

Hope this helps! (it wont.)

[Gravydoo II]

"destroying"

You ever destroyed anything in your life? Was it left in tact, functioning, and growing?? Well, you didnt destroy it.

[Horza]

Infaltion is destroying our economy as we speak and you are going to be eating potato soup in 5 years.

those 75k ballots are why you are going to be in a shooting war downtown in 3 years.

The debt is why all of this is happening.

Hope this helps! (it wont.)

OK doomer

[Whale biologist]

OK doomer

[Jibartik]

Hell yea doomer and proud.

https://i.imgur.com/suq7MxH.png

If the last great thing on the late planet earth was green99 that's fine with me.

[Gravydoo II]

You gonna be upset if you die and find out the one true religion was Hinduism?

[starkind]

You gonna be upset if you die and find out the one true religion was Hinduism?

He's probably fine still then. Hinduism is a pretty cool s1et of beliefs.

[Mesocyclone]

You gonna be upset if you die and find out God is evil.

[Gatordash]

You guys aren't gonna be upset at all when you die because you just die and thats it.

Kinda like how its nothing before you are born.

[imperiouskitten]

nah bro u just retreat into the theater, of the sole

[imperiouskitten]

https://i.imgur.com/SPnAhsH.png

[Jibartik]

You gonna be upset if you die and find out the one true religion was Hinduism?

why would I why are you a climate change denier?

[starkind]

that's the uglish fish in the sea

[Jibartik]

The one they make fillet of fish's of at McDonalds is a contender.

[Jibartik]

Just when you thought the Biden administration couldn't have screwed up more you find out they blew up an Aid worker and his 7 kids trying to leave the country instead of stopping an isis terrorist attack like they lied to the press and said they did.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979199/US-drone-strike-Kabul-actually-killed-AID-WORKER-seven-children.html

[starkind]

Aiding afghanistan makes u a traitor

[Gravydoo II]

I love seeing yall cry about it.

Biden was in the field, in Afghanistan, fatigues and all. He had his M4 slung over his shoulder and ORDERED his troops to blow up 7 kids because hes thanos incarnate. Biden himself set the charges on their houses, pushed the button n all. He did it all for Hunter Biden because one of those kids had his laptop in there, too.

Sounds like a fucking badass to me.


What was the issue again?

[Horza]

Just when you thought the Biden administration couldn't have screwed up more you find out they blew up an Aid worker and his 7 kids trying to leave the country instead of stopping an isis terrorist attack like they lied to the press and said they did.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979199/US-drone-strike-Kabul-actually-killed-AID-WORKER-seven-children.html

Daily Mail lol

[Jibartik]

lol Yes it is true your liberal media will cover this up.

All those tears you shed over drone strikes in gaza killing kids are fine with a christian does it eh?

parties flipped.

But seriously, Biden is on track to be the worst president of our lives. Bush is tough to beat but this is just pathetic.

[Horza]

Interesting how your rape daddy is blameless for freeing thousands of Taliban fighters and leaders, but Biden personally piloted that drone.

[Jibartik]

"trump negotiates with the Taliban to peacefully leave Afghanistan"

"biden runs from taliban letting people fall off helocoptors and drone strikes aid workers with cars full of kids in a panic."

Sorry rape daddy actually understands diplomacy.

You cant say negotiating with them is bad, if letting them hostilely take over is good.

[Horza]

"trump negotiates with the Taliban to peacefully leave Afghanistan"

I can just taste the cope.

[Gravydoo II]

You mean, surrendered??

Because thats what you do when you agree to say "yeah, we quit, we suck.. please let us leave quietly????"

So, kinda got your words wrong there but A for effort.

[Jibartik]

I can just taste the cope.

https://i.imgur.com/V4e8Zt7.png

[Gravydoo II]

https://i.imgur.com/V4e8Zt7.png

Yeah, tends to happen after every single war, ever.

To the winner goes the spoils.

So we shouldnt have taken the nazi scientists either? V2? Any of the german tech??

You're against taking spoils of war, are you not?

[Jibartik]

I can just taste the cope.

[Horza]

Biden, Obama, and GWB are all at 9/11 sites today. Can you guess where Trump is?

[Ooloo]

Yeah, tends to happen after every single war, ever.

To the winner goes the spoils.

So we shouldnt have taken the nazi scientists either? V2? Any of the german tech??

You're against taking spoils of war, are you not?

Haha they didn't "win" shit, we just left. Not exactly the same thing as defeating the enemy. Like, at all. The military absolutely could have gotten all our shit out of there before we left, but biden said nah fuck it let them have it all. True strategic genius that one.

The mental gymnastics you go through to defend that impotent, spineless president are truly amazing. Even TRUMP was better than him, and he wasn't even that good. I'm not some trump fanboy at all.

A real president would have said "We are leaving, and we are taking all of our equipment, and if you so much as fire a single bullet we will obliterate you, so fuck off. That is called strength. We still have the most powerful military in the world, there's just no excuse for how badly biden handled it.

[Gravydoo II]

Haha they didn't "win" shit, we just left. Not exactly the same thing as defeating the enemy. Like, at all. The military absolutely could have gotten all our shit out of there before we left, but biden said nah fuck it let them have it all. True strategic genius that one.

I guess the vietnamese didnt "win" either. They just had control of the entire country and could pick anytime and place they wanted to attack anyone in the country.

They didnt win though. American WHITE blood touched that sand we won!!! I know.. but lets face facts. We fucking lost. What RETURN did we get on that war??

NOTHING.

[Jibartik]

Biden, Obama, and GWB are all at 9/11 sites today. Can you guess where Trump is?

Probably doing something awesome like always.