My Turn

[Trexller]

Just logged onto my 60 mage today, for the first time in months.

Turns out they anal raped mages again. First they changed agro mechanics so that we can't chain pet effectively.

Now, they have HARDCORE nerfed pet damage. 57 earth pet cast max level used to hit for 70, now they hit for 58.

10 years of mage pets hitting for 70, but NOW, 10 years later RogBog decide its time to pull the trigger on whatever the fuck "non-classic" mechanic. (but at this point nothing is) So yeah, we're just gonna go ahead and fuck mages, "because we're bored and why not fuck em anyway."

Theres always people pissing and moaning and whining, why don't the devs do this, why dont the devs do that. OK, time for you all to STFU. Leave it alone, stop changing anything.

Every time they change something on the p99 servers, they just fuck it up worse.

Lets all decide to leave well enough alone, and just let things play.

Just stop updating, you are never gonna get it right.

advice to anyone considering magician: dont, you can't do shit anymore except sit and wait for raiders to coth and then mod-rods to drop for clerics. (like 10 min into the raid, you are already sick as shit of being utility bitch)

You have no other jobs, now that you have been nerfed as a farmer.

[Toxigen]

sorry you leveled a coth both as a main

[Trexller]

its not a main, i don't have mains, anyone who says they have a main is a shmuck.

we all have many toons over 50, and most likely several 60s. not a flex, just an example.

There are no "Mains"

mages are just fucked now. no good reason to play them at all. Can't farm shit anymore.

Now you're just someone's anal fuck toy on raids. i guess that does appeal to a small percentage of these forum rats though.

[CancerMage]

its not a main, i don't have mains, anyone who says they have a main is a shmuck.

we all have many toons over 50, and most likely several 60s. not a flex, just an example.

There are no "Mains"

mages are just fucked now. no good reason to play them at all. Can't farm shit anymore.

Now you're just someone's anal fuck toy on raids. i guess that does appeal to a small percentage of these forum rats though.

its really unfortunate about the pet chain casting thing, as a mage it was incredibly classic for a mage to chain cast pets to solo. But i understand the reason, so we cant cheese dragons. Which is entirely pointless because there is already a workaround. So all it does is hurt solo mages. doesn't hurt a mage raid at all.

[loramin]

Look, at the end of the day it's a classic server, and if something ... anything ... was ____ in classic, then I support making it _____ here. And I say that as someone who "mains" a Magician on Green.

But what bothers me is the selectivity of it. Anyone who played on live knows charming is unclassic here: it was far more risky on live, and that's the reason why guilds couldn't cheeze Tunare with a bunch of Enchanters on live, it's the reason why Enchanters stuck to crowd control and not charming in groups on live, it's the reason Druids quaded and root/rotted instead of charming on live, etc.

We have giant obvious unclassic things here, which anyone who played on live should instantly recognize as "it wasn't like that" ... but the staff ignores those because there's obvious proof of something tiny like Mage pet hits, and there's no evidence of charm resists on live so they just throw up their hands and give up on "classic" when it comes to stuff like that.

[Trexller]

But what bothers me is the selectivity of it.

I can't imagine how Rog-Bog can look at the top of their web page and read "classic everquest" without busting a gut laughing.

Look guys, you wanted to make a 99-01 classic era server, and you did a pretty damn good job. You got yourselves to a "sweet spot" like 2-3 years ago. Now bit by bit, you over and over are making players take it up the ass.

Things that could have been done back in the day, but you just decided on your own that you don't like it. ex: hoarding gnoll scrolls, or pick pocketing beads. Totally legit. You, Rog-Bog, you decided on your own, in your own minds, that while 100% legit classic, you personally didnt like it.

So stop lying to us and change the name of the project.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/3CcYl1z.png

[Trexller]

You callin' me milquetoast, son?

THATS IT, You're gonna eat my toast!

So's that gonna be white, wheat or marble rye? Fresh churned butter and/or sample our various marmalades?

[bthomsen0312]

Look, at the end of the day it's a classic server, and if something ... anything ... was ____ in classic, then I support making it _____ here. And I say that as someone who "mains" a Magician on Green.

But what bothers me is the selectivity of it. Anyone who played on live knows charming is unclassic here: it was far more risky on live, and that's the reason why guilds couldn't cheeze Tunare with a bunch of Enchanters on live, it's the reason why Enchanters stuck to crowd control and not charming in groups on live, it's the reason Druids quaded and root/rotted instead of charming on live, etc.

We have giant obvious unclassic things here, which anyone who played on live should instantly recognize as "it wasn't like that" ... but the staff ignores those because there's obvious proof of something tiny like Mage pet hits, and there's no evidence of charm resists on live so they just throw up their hands and give up on "classic" when it comes to stuff like that.

Please provide actual evidence that enchanters are scaled incorrectly and it will get changed.

Until then just because you hung out with shitty players who didn't know how to play everquest doesn't mean we should nerf it for your "feels".

[Trexller]

Please provide actual evidence that enchanters are scaled incorrectly and it will get changed.

Until then just because you hung out with shitty players who didn't know how to play everquest doesn't mean we should nerf it for your "feels".

oh man pls don't open the can of enchanter worms. those threads go round and around.

alot like most of the threads here that rehash old topics and years go buy debating the same shit over and over and over, the only difference is the thread titles change.

You are not hi-jacking the mage RnF thread.

[aaezil]

pet damage was changed to be more classic so keep that.

but fix the unclassic things like resists being broken and yellow text/lists/other non classic crap shitting up the servers here.

[HalflingSpergand]

Atleast u can still farm spiked collars in blackburrow

[loramin]

Please provide actual evidence that enchanters are scaled incorrectly and it will get changed.

That's my entire point: none exists! So we just give up on making it classic, which is tragic.

[loramin]

P.S. And for the record I never said "Enchanters are scaled incorrectly".

What I said was that charming (which is something that Bards, Druids, Necromancers and even Shaman can also do ... ) is unclassic here: it's too easy and safe.

[Jibartik]

And the proof that it is unclassic, is the lack of proof!

[Nexii]

Mages are fine get your epic

[Whale biologist]

Mages are fine get your epic

https://i.imgur.com/83XDDAV.gif

[Trexller]

Mages are fine get your epic

go catch a virus

[loramin]

Please provide actual evidence that enchanters are scaled incorrectly and it will get changed.

Until then just because you hung out with shitty players who didn't know how to play everquest doesn't mean we should nerf it for your "feels".

It's simple. If you make a Street Fighter 2 Emulator, and people are playing Ryu ... but you're not hearing "Shoryuken" almost constantly, you don't need any further evidence that your emulator isn't emulating Street Fighter 2 properly.

In Street Fighter 2, Ryu's dragon punch was one of his key moves. It literally doesn't matter whether you know the exact numeric amount of damage his hit dealt: if you played the game you know Ryu (and Ken) players wanted to dragon punch ... a lot.

Therefore, you also know that if players of your emulator don't want to dragon punch, something about that emulator isn't accurate. If your dragon punch was the same as the original dragon punch, it would be getting used just like the real one was.

[Trexller]

could it be that when rog-bog make game changes, they wanna be able to cite hard data and go "thats why we did it"

(in the event the apocalypse occurs, and rog-bog engage the community about their programming decisions)

near as I can figure, that's how they can rationalize "classic" in their own minds.

Anyone remember spell buff timers for example? of course you do! They were in the game for like 8-9 years but only because it took that long for someone to figure out how to remove them from titanium code. (btw screw you whoever, I loved buff timers!)

if our mage pets really have been OP this long, why do you wait right up till green velious launch to nerf them? Thats rhetorical.

[myrddraal]

You callin' me milquetoast, son?

THATS IT, You're gonna eat my toast!

So's that gonna be white, wheat or marble rye? Fresh churned butter and/or sample our various marmalades?

what about tar toast?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSA2wYUQTrg

[NotCaros]

Doesn't the Earth staff buff your pet back up to where it was though?

Just get one of those.

[CancerMage]

Mages are fine get your epic

actually, you cant solo POG mini's with an epic. you can with a classic pet though.

[Allishia]

Poor mages...evil nerfs grrr

[Graahle]

Server will never be classic, and people will never be happy here.

TLP/TAKP >

[Shawk]

Theres always people pissing and moaning and whining



Yes, you are.



..and no one cares as usual :p

[Baler]

When I want to feel strong as a mage I play TAKP

Granted,. I started p99 as a mage, as baler back in 2010.

[Trexller]

Yes, you are.



..and no one cares as usual :p

what a weak burn.

[branamil]

Honestly with how slow they and selectively they update the really only honest path forward is to make the p99 code open source but it will forever be a once-a-year update with really arbitrary classic/not classic decisions

[Buellen]

Nice self righteous anger ! perfect for this Rants and Flames.

Go ahead keep tilting your lance at those windmills(nerfs, and whatever else pisses you off about this server ). Who knows you might actually knock one over once day.

Regards.

[Tunabros]

Pull Monkey > Stare at wall simulator > Coth bot (LOL)

[cd288]

Look, at the end of the day it's a classic server, and if something ... anything ... was ____ in classic, then I support making it _____ here. And I say that as someone who "mains" a Magician on Green.

But what bothers me is the selectivity of it. Anyone who played on live knows charming is unclassic here: it was far more risky on live, and that's the reason why guilds couldn't cheeze Tunare with a bunch of Enchanters on live, it's the reason why Enchanters stuck to crowd control and not charming in groups on live, it's the reason Druids quaded and root/rotted instead of charming on live, etc.

We have giant obvious unclassic things here, which anyone who played on live should instantly recognize as "it wasn't like that" ... but the staff ignores those because there's obvious proof of something tiny like Mage pet hits, and there's no evidence of charm resists on live so they just throw up their hands and give up on "classic" when it comes to stuff like that.

Here goes Loramin again citing his own opinion as evidence about charm because he has no real evidence, while also not acknowledging the fact that every server had a variable experience back in the day

[Trexller]

Nice self righteous anger ! perfect for this Rants and Flames.

Go ahead keep tilting your lance at those windmills(nerfs, and whatever else pisses you off about this server ). Who knows you might actually knock one over once day.

Regards.

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Nilbog:

" I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy."

bruh at this point, Nilbog is not "recreating" classic eq. what we're playing is called, "EverQuest, as envisioned by Nilbog"

you obviously don't play the game, or read the forums much, and if you do, you're blind and deaf.

[Whale biologist]

Nice self righteous anger ! perfect for this Rants and Flames.

Go ahead keep tilting your lance at those windmills(nerfs, and whatever else pisses you off about this server ). Who knows you might actually knock one over once day.

Regards.

I think that falls apart if you take the client angle; I prefer a worser tyranny. :)

[Buellen]

Sorry, but you think this is tyranny Really!

WoW.

YOU Choose to play here No one is forcing you. By all means play enjoy what you can of this server but this mistake it for Tyranny.

Regards

[Buellen]

I still play Trexeller my toon Name is Quatzel. come by west karana and say hello if you like.

[Whale biologist]

Sorry, but you think this is tyranny Really!

WoW.

YOU Choose to play here No one is forcing you. By all means play enjoy what you can of this server but this mistake it for Tyranny.

Regards

The titanium tyranny will end someday, make sure you're on the right side. :p

[Buellen]

@Whale Biologist 8) <bow>

[starkind]

milquetoast

but not at @ OP i like oP

[Mblake1981]

Honestly with how slow they and selectively they update the really only honest path forward is to make the p99 code open source but it will forever be a once-a-year update with really arbitrary classic/not classic decisions

Gamers have never changed.

Thank you P99 staff for doing what you do. I like leveling my druid in High Keep. I don't know how you put up with raiders. I hope we get another Halloween event and you turn off your /tells.

[cd288]

bruh at this point, Nilbog is not "recreating" classic eq. what we're playing is called, "EverQuest, as envisioned by Nilbog"

you obviously don't play the game, or read the forums much, and if you do, you're blind and deaf.

Rough life for you getting to play on a free emulated server that even if not 100% classic in every way is still as close as you can get.

Quit complaining. We're extremely lucky to even have P99 as it is.

[Kohedron]

your fault for not playing a busted class

now delete your character, try harder on the character creation screen, and stfu

[Gustoo]

its not a main, i don't have mains, anyone who says they have a main is a shmuck.



Some people that aren't shmucks have mains or even only one character. Sorry your main was a mage. I agree about the frustration on selectively implemented nerfs.

[Trexller]

I like it, I actively play it, I have earned the right to bitch about it!! :p:D:p

[branamil]

Rough life for you getting to play on a free emulated server that even if not 100% classic in every way is still as close as you can get.

Quit complaining. We're extremely lucky to even have P99 as it is.

You set the bar extremely low. Just "existing" is good enough. They could have made the project open source and so lots of servers could have improved upon it.

[cd288]

You set the bar extremely low. Just "existing" is good enough. They could have made the project open source and so lots of servers could have improved upon it.

I mean the EQ code is there in the Titanium client isn't it? Just need to be able to modify it

[k9quaint]

I do miss my ludicrously overpowered 57 earth pet.

[bilirubin]

Anyone who played on live knows charming is unclassic here

The knowledge base for enchanters is just higher in 2021 than in 1999. Charming is still risky on p99. It takes hundreds of deaths before an enchanter player learns how to avoid death in a high-level dungeon. Of course, those players who have stuck around and still play here are more likely those capable of reaching that higher level of play.

that's the reason why guilds couldn't cheeze Tunare with a bunch of Enchanters on live

That's just an example of one of the many metagaming strats p99 guilds have come up with since blue launched. It's high risk/high reward. I've seen on numerous occasions, guilds having to leave corpses up in PoG overnight because they died during the raid and couldn't be rescued. It used to happen all the time and it's frustrating. Your posts just read like cope, Loramin.

[loramin]

The knowledge base for enchanters is just higher in 2021 than in 1999. Charming is still risky on p99. It takes hundreds of deaths before an enchanter player learns how to avoid death in a high-level dungeon. Of course, those players who have stuck around and still play here are more likely those capable of reaching that higher level of play.

Not trying to insult you, but this is just so very typical of the hubris of players here. We all like to imagine that we're geniuses who have unlocked incredible secrets that those idiots who played back in 1999-2001 had no clue about ... but the truth is EQ is fundamentally not a hard game, there was literally 20+ times as many players on live, and they were not all morons.

Yes, it is true we have playe knowledge that live players didn't have, but not about the fundamentals. Live Enchanters largely weren't carrying around Goblin Gazughi rings and tons of -MR gear, but ... they did know how to cast the spells on their spell list!

You'll get no argument from me that charming here is more efficient, but things like -MR gear and no Goblin ring don't explain the MASSIVE delta between us and live. Consider: Enchanters charming in groups was rare on live, but it's expected here. And judging by historical evidence (ie. the number of guides on web-archived Caster's Realm) Druids root/rotted or quadded 20x times more than they charmed on live ... but here few Druids at all root/rot, because charming is clearly and obviously a superior way of earning XP (even without the ring!) until quad levels.

We all want to imagine that we're all super smart, and it's true we do know more than everyone on live, but again fundamentally: if you make a Street Fighter II emulator where no one ever Dragon Punches with Ryu, it's not because "player knowledge of Street Fighter II changed" ... it's because the emulator isn't matching the original game.

[cd288]

Just ignore Loramin on this guys. His MO is to take his own server's experience and apply it to everybody.

He willfully ignores you when you point out that each server's experience could be highly variable. If it didn't happen on his server the way it does on P99, then it means it's not classic.

[Allishia]

I remember enchanters charming all time. Druids too, I definitely charmed a ton on my druid in chardok during kunark. Definitely charmed on my Necro too! What server was he on that the encs sucked? :p

[derpcake2]

Not trying to insult you, but this is just so very typical of the hubris of players here.

The only hubris here is you whining to get something changed which you admit you have no proof on.

Of course you've put in a ton of effort to get fun stuff nerfed, so this is nothing new.

[derpcake2]

Just ignore Loramin on this guys. His MO is to take his own server's experience and apply it to everybody.

He willfully ignores you when you point out that each server's experience could be highly variable. If it didn't happen on his server the way it does on P99, then it means it's not classic.

Just a sad person trying to ruin the game for players. Must have nothing going for him.

[strongNpretty]

Loramin is dope. Watup Loramin!

[loramin]

Just a sad person trying to ruin the game for players. Must have nothing going for him.

The tears of players who are upset when the server becomes more classic are what sustain Nilbog.

[derpcake2]

The tears of players who are upset when the server becomes more classic are what sustain Nilbog.

Go ask him how he feels about the p1999 rulebook instead of trying to get classes nerfed through persistent whining.

[Twochain]

Server will never be classic, and people will never be happy here.

TLP/TAKP >

these posts crack me tf up. Talking about how p99 isn't classic and TLPs are better... with freeport and the commonlands being abominations that they are. Classic Freeport and commonlands is as classic as classic gets.

WTT fungi for krono

[cd288]

Just a sad person trying to ruin the game for players. Must have nothing going for him.

To be clear, I don't think Loramin is a sad person. He has done a lot for the server/the wiki.

He just seems to have this thing where he applies the experience he had on his own server to the entire game. I had a CSR character on almost every server (although there were definitely some that I never really got involved in, but that would be the minority) and those I didn't have one on were the couple that I had play characters on.

I can 100% tell you that not every server had the same experience. And this applies to so many different things, whether it be soloing strategies for a class, use of certain mechanics, knowledge of the game, player lists for certain camps, how players tended to define certain camps, etc. etc. etc. As a simple example, take the HK goblins camp; some servers had each room as a camp, some divided it by floor, some had it divided up as three different camps (open area, 1st floor room, and second floor room). As another example, some servers had player lists/lines for JBoots when they dropped in Najena, others did not.

Things were just so totally variable depending on the server. And you can see that as well on these forums in how so many people have different memories of "how things were."

As a result, it's literally impossible for any person or group of people to say "everyone knows it was like this back in the day" because what it was "like" may have just been on a single server or a few servers but certainly not the majority.

[Ratchet51]

We all want to imagine that we're all super smart

False. I know who I am.

[Trexller]

The tears of players who are upset when the server becomes more classic are what sustain Nilbog.

haha im happy to contribute.

so he doles out changes slowly over the decades, so as to not exhaust his supply of sustenance.

this makes sense now.

[ScottBerta]

Our memories deceive us. No one was as good back then as we are now. What we have now are the most elite of the elite, with boundless knowledge, wealth and time invested in this game. It’s not perplexing why we see so many people charming. It makes a lot of sense and it also makes sense why it was not as readily and effectively used on live.

[ScottBerta]

Our memories deceive us. No one was as good back then as we are now. What we have now are the most elite of the elite, with boundless knowledge, wealth and time invested in this game. It’s not perplexing why we see so many people charming. It makes a lot of sense and it also makes sense why it was not as readily and effectively used on live.. If your running around charming mobs in Velks, HS or seb with 175 char, 1500 hp and a mediocre knowledge of class, techniques and zone, bad shit is going to happen.

[derpcake2]

. If your running around charming mobs in Velks, HS or seb with 175 char, 1500 hp and a mediocre knowledge of class, techniques and zone, bad shit is going to happen.

My ench has 174 cha and under 1500 hp, it still works in the hole ;)

[cd288]

My ench has 174 cha and under 1500 hp, it still works in the hole ;)

Are you soloing or in a group? What level are you?

[apathe]

I agree with Loramin. Nerf enchanters. Also, nerf shamans too while they are at it by making Torp not able to be cast on yourself.

[Kohedron]

has anyone pretended paladins aren't dogshit yet?

[Tunabros]

has anyone pretended paladins aren't dogshit yet?

paladains are a RP class

people don't play them to mix max

shadowknights are like the better version of them except paladins have reapers

growned on their balls

[Allishia]

paladains are a RP class

people don't play them to mix max

shadowknights are like the better version of them except paladins have reapers

growned on their balls

Paladins are awesome! Extra 200 hp buff and can save you with soul fire too!!