p99 at lowest point since launch

[tyrant49333]

Bag limits

GM enforced roll for ringwar

Rooted Dragons in TOV

GM enforced fear golem welfare race

"The draft" welfare week

p99 has reached the lowest point ever since launch, and it is sad. The one last bastion of competition in everquest is crawling to a stop. If you wanted noncompetitive content, go to the TLPs and have the entire raid zone to yourself.

New world is coming out next month - nail in the coffin?

[Smoofers]

On the other hand, if it weren't for welfare pixels, Riot may have disbanded by now.

[CancerMage]

New world is coming out next month - nail in the coffin?

noone can afford TLP, let alone a new MMORPG. might take a 10% hit of people who can ask their moms for sub money.

[Bhairava]

The one last bastion of competition in everquest is crawling to a stop. If you wanted noncompetitive content, go to the TLPs and have the entire raid zone to yourself.

what the fuck is everquest 'competition;????

[tyrant49333]

what the fuck is everquest 'competition;????

I figured a riot member would ask this, let me explain:

When a dragon spawns, whoever gets FTE (first to engage) on it, their raid to gets to kill it. I know you guys are used to uncontested bag limit loot so this might be a foreign concept.

[Naethyn]

The most vocal supporters of "competition" almost always just want to lord over pixels. Every single one of the systems outlined above are keeping more raid entities in the game.

[Baler]

OP did not get pixels

[adruidarkly]

Unsurprising. A competition of simply who has the most anytime players is not a competition many enjoy. Real classic competition is choosing which targets you will not get more than which you will. The competition therefor is in execution speed and mobility.

With the window system, it lays it up for who can sit around all day and not function. Therefor, the prizes aren't worth the wait.

[Twochain]

what the fuck is everquest 'competition;????

Raiding on p99 is the only form of Competitive PVE there is. You wouldn't know because you are a noob. Hope this helps.


To be fair I kind of like the golem races/the draft. Golems in 2021 on p99 blue = WHATEVER. And it's a great opportunity for new raiders to engage a mob live. Everyone has to get their first hit somewhere.

Ring War roll = whatever, click quest was fucking stupid at scout and it was stupid at ring war. I'd prefer to see a race instead but it's literally whatever. Ring War 2021.

Rooted Dragons is =(

Bag limits are probably the only thing that is making ToV a non 1-guild affair at the moment. (Which is a product of rooted dragons- there would always be two guilds competing if they were pull-able. Vulak can be killed with 30 people if he can be pulled, but requires AT LEAST 60 people who know exactly what they are doing to do it competitively)

1 Guild raiding is very very boring. I would never show up to any raid if there wasn't somebody else to beat. There is nothing challenging about killing dragons in Velious 6 years in, it's the other guilds that provide the challenge to beat.

Overall, it's not bad. I'm having fun.

[Bhairava]

When a dragon spawns, whoever gets FTE (first to engage) on it, their raid to gets to kill it. I know you guys are used to uncontested bag limit loot so this might be a foreign concept.

oh, so its like in wow when you want to tag a large rat in the starting zone and you have to 'compete' with the other level 1 elf mages for the privilege

[pogs4ever]

It’s not worth the time to log in and get trAined for an hour. Braknar was right all along.

[Baler]

P99 is the highest populated Private Server

This idea that p99 is doing bad, is an absolute fucking joke.

[Bhairava]

Raiding on p99 is the only form of Competitive PVE there is. You wouldn't know because you are a noob. Hope this helps.


To be fair I kind of like the golem races/the draft. Golems in 2021 on p99 blue = WHATEVER. And it's a great opportunity for new raiders to engage a mob live. Everyone has to get their first hit somewhere.

Ring War roll = whatever, click quest was fucking stupid at scout and it was stupid at ring war. I'd prefer to see a race instead but it's literally whatever. Ring War 2021.

Rooted Dragons is =(

Bag limits are probably the only thing that is making ToV a non 1-guild affair at the moment. (Which is a product of rooted dragons- there would always be two guilds competing if they were pull-able. Vulak can be killed with 30 people if he can be pulled, but requires AT LEAST 60 people who know exactly what they are doing to do it competitively)

1 Guild raiding is very very boring. I would never show up to any raid if there wasn't somebody else to beat. There is nothing challenging about killing dragons in Velious 6 years in, it's the other guilds that provide the challenge to beat.

Overall, it's not bad. I'm having fun.

ok

[Bhairava]

dont appreciate being called a noob btw i have feelings too

[Baler]

dont appreciate being called a noob btw i have feelings too

ForumQuest noob, step down from thy quest and bow before true ForumQuest kings!

[Twochain]

The most vocal supporters of "competition" almost always just want to lord over pixels. Every single one of the systems outlined above are keeping more raid entities in the game.

Not I Sir. I really wouldn't raid much otherwise. I struggle to have over a 10% RA now as it is. If a vyemm pop is literally just cothing to aary steps, killing 8 trash mobs, and killing vyemm.... that's terrible. I'd have way more fun playing my enchanter and killing 5 mobs at once. There's nothing enticing about a tank and spank, performing all of those tasks above under a time constraint and with the added pressure of performing the best that you can because if you mess up, you'll train the other guild and have to concede, or lose the mob for your guild is what makes showing up to raids worthwhile. There are a lot of people who feel the same way.

The months long bans of AW back in those days was BORING as hell.

[galach]

Oh no, a 22 year old game is losing population as their core player base are getting older, getting married, having kids, building their careers and have other responsibilities.

[Bhairava]

ForumQuest noob, step down from thy quest and bow before true ForumQuest kings!

are you the drunk one or the australian one, i get all you guys mixed up

[Bhairava]

Oh no, a 22 year old game is losing population as their core player base are getting older, getting married, having kids, building their careers and have other responsibilities.

p99 responsible playerbase making good life choicies

[Arvan]

Lol p99 players making good life choices i almost spit my drink out

[Arvan]

This is the game where people sock 16 hour windows sometimes two days in a row every week and pull drussela sathirs room for 12 hours to keep the 24 hour spawn camped. Theres no good life decisions here

[Twochain]

Oh no, a 22 year old game is losing population as their core player base are getting older, getting married, having kids, building their careers and have other responsibilities.

Lmao between Blue and Future Blue there is 1300 people on, which for 5pm EST during the summer it's pretty great!

[tyrant49333]

Rooted dragons was a failed experiment which created the TOV zerg meta. No longer can you and 30 of your friends pull a top tier dragon and kill it competitively. Gotta crawl with 100 people and play who can kite the most trash at once. Not only is it the most unfun way to kill dragons in everquest it's also unclassic.

[Vynsticus]

Rooted dragons was a failed experiment which created the TOV zerg meta. No longer can you and 30 of your friends pull a top tier dragon and kill it competitively. Gotta crawl with 100 people and play who can kite the most trash at once. Not only is it the most unfun way to kill dragons in everquest it's also unclassic.

Classic died with actual classic. Hope this helps.

[Ripqozko]

Oh no, a 22 year old game is losing population as their core player base are getting older, getting married, having kids, building their careers and have other responsibilities.

Lol like they have these, good one. Sorry they don't got warder loot. Hope that helped.

[Horza]

Oh no, a 22 year old game is losing population as their core player base are getting older, getting married, having kids, building their careers and have other responsibilities.

1Tpu_XoNABA

[strongNpretty]

If P99 doesn't feel classic to you, then you played too much back in 1999 and you definitely play too much now..

Go the fuck outside.

[xdrcfrx]

Rooted dragons was a failed experiment which created the TOV zerg meta. No longer can you and 30 of your friends pull a top tier dragon and kill it competitively. Gotta crawl with 100 people and play who can kite the most trash at once. Not only is it the most unfun way to kill dragons in everquest it's also unclassic.

feel free to post the old AM attendance logs of ToV kills and show us all the 30-person kills you guys were doing. I'm sure there will be many, and it will constitute a high proportion of total kills.

Lol, before riot was the zerg, aftermath was. eat shit beef.

[Ennewi]

Bag limits

GM enforced roll for ringwar

Rooted Dragons in TOV

GM enforced fear golem welfare race

"The draft" welfare week

p99 has reached the lowest point ever since launch, and it is sad. The one last bastion of competition in everquest is crawling to a stop. If you wanted noncompetitive content, go to the TLPs and have the entire raid zone to yourself.

New world is coming out next month - nail in the coffin?

If I had a copper piece for every time some disgruntled nerd on the forums claimed this project was over, I'd have a billion platinum.

[Twochain]

feel free to post the old AM attendance logs of ToV kills and show us all the 30-person kills you guys were doing. I'm sure there will be many, and it will constitute a high proportion of total kills.

Lol, before riot was the zerg, aftermath was. eat shit beef.

AM was a zerg towards the end of 2018 into 2019, basically what happened was after sirken removed Racing with lockouts, Rustle pretty much instantly died, who was a guild who would basically 30-40 man every mob. A LOT OF people joined AM from Rustle. After The rustlers joined forces with AM, they really started putting the beat down on AW. AW died, which led to even more people joining AM, as AM only had the options of Denying half the server content by not letting people in, or letting everyone in. So they let everyone in. AM wasn't always a zerg. When i joined it was very common to only see 50-60 people log in for bat phones, especially during the night, and of course that number would shoot up to 80-90 if we won Vulak.

Rampage however killed Vulak with like 32 people in half kunark gear. Took them almost an hour.

Hell farm crews have killed VP dragons on this server with less than 10 people.

[Ennewi]

Rooted dragons was a failed experiment which created the TOV zerg meta. No longer can you and 30 of your friends pull a top tier dragon and kill it competitively. Gotta crawl with 100 people and play who can kite the most trash at once. Not only is it the most unfun way to kill dragons in everquest it's also unclassic.

https://www.amazon.com/Dungeon-Argument-Invalid-Tabletop-T-Shirt/dp/B07Q3TTTFR

[xdrcfrx]

AM was a zerg towards the end of 2018 into 2019, basically what happened was after sirken removed Racing with lockouts, Rustle pretty much instantly died, who was a guild who would basically 30-40 man every mob. A LOT OF people joined AM from Rustle. After The rustlers joined forces with AM, they really started putting the beat down on AW. AW died, which led to even more people joining AM, as AM only had the options of Denying half the server content by not letting people in, or letting everyone in. So they let everyone in. AM wasn't always a zerg. When i joined it was very common to only see 50-60 people log in for bat phones, especially during the night, and of course that number would shoot up to 80-90 if we won Vulak.

Rampage however killed Vulak with like 32 people in half kunark gear. Took them almost an hour.

Hell farm crews have killed VP dragons on this server with less than 10 people.

Just because a thing could (or still can!) be done, doesn't mean it was the norm. Taking the one time someone did vulak with 32 people, and then using that as the basis for asserting that things were different then, is kind of disingenuous. Over a long period of time, lets say a year, what was the average number of people AM brought to a Vulak kill? How does that compare to current numbers brought by guilds competing for Vulak now?

Obviously you could kill dragons with fewer people when the meta was "footrace for FTE; lockout, no live pulls."

[CancerMage]

Oh no, a 22 year old game is losing population as their core player base are getting older, getting married, having kids, building their careers and have other responsibilities.

you have alot of faith in the people that play video games here. I'd say majority of these people have never moved on past failing college. I think maybe the people you talk or engaged probably are normal well adjusted folks. But thats because you only talk to the normal people.

I come here for the fuckups, the people with serious issues. And im telling you. There are far more of those than the ones you arre refering to.

Noone is building a career and quitting the game. If they are quitting its for some other reason.

[Twochain]

Just because a thing could (or still can!) be done, doesn't mean it was the norm. Taking the one time someone did vulak with 32 people, and then using that as the basis for asserting that things were different then, is kind of disingenuous. Over a long period of time, lets say a year, what was the average number of people AM brought to a Vulak kill? How does that compare to current numbers brought by guilds competing for Vulak now?

Obviously you could kill dragons with fewer people when the meta was "footrace for FTE; lockout, no live pulls."

Vulak has always been a little bit tricky, as there were many people even way back in AM who would farm DKP, then ONLY show up to Vulak if it was our FTE. They called them "Vulak Ghosts". Same always applied to the other side as well, there would always be 30-40% more people on a vulak kill log vs 2 minutes into the fight and especially vs other dragons. Also keep in mind that 50-60 people showing up to a dragon kill most likely means that your guild has 200+ active raiders. (Which was the case on both sides- and even applies today to any guild)

RIGHT before the dragons were rooted, it was the most competitive that ToV ever was in my time there. 3 guilds were genuinely going after the mobs, and <Core> was winning a decent amount of them with 40-50 people. <AG> was in the 50-70 range, and AM was in the 80-90 range on average. The thing is, with live pull era dragons, having 50 people isn't a disadvantage vs 90 people. If you have all roles covered, 50 people was enough. Rooted dragons, the 80-90 man guild wins 90% of the time. Which is why Riot became a guild. Paradigm Shift, Core, Part of Azure Guards best players, and almost every non NA guild joined forces to create Riot.

[Naethyn]

Every meta this server has seen has always has devolved into a one guild monopoly - until bag limits.

The same people who say bag limits are bad because they want competition, don't actually want competition, and instead want uncontested pixels. Competition only reignites when the lords of the server get bored, and the process starts all over again. Bag limits have cut this vicious cycle of toxicity by keeping true competition alive.

Every guild that is at the top has been called a "zerg."

[CancerMage]

to further add, This is more like an everquest museum where the short bus dropped off the field trip and just never came back to pick them up.

[Twochain]

Vulak has always been a little bit tricky, as there were many people even way back in AM who would farm DKP, then ONLY show up to Vulak if it was our FTE. They called them "Vulak Ghosts". Same always applied to the other side as well, there would always be 30-40% more people on a vulak kill log vs 2 minutes into the fight and especially vs other dragons. Also keep in mind that 50-60 people showing up to a dragon kill most likely means that your guild has 200+ active raiders. (Which was the case on both sides- and even applies today to any guild)

RIGHT before the dragons were rooted, it was the most competitive that ToV ever was in my time there. 3 guilds were genuinely going after the mobs, and <Core> was winning a decent amount of them with 40-50 people. <AG> was in the 50-70 range, and AM was in the 80-90 range on average. The thing is, with live pull era dragons, having 50 people isn't a disadvantage vs 90 people. If you have all roles covered, 50 people was enough. Rooted dragons, the 80-90 man guild wins 90% of the time. Which is why Riot became a guild. Paradigm Shift, Core, Part of Azure Guards best players, and almost every non NA guild joined forces to create Riot.

Also this necessarily wouldn't be true today, as uh, you'd need a lot of enchanters to sieve vulak, since pushing no longer interrupts

[Naethyn]

https://imgur.com/rO2FiOd.jpg

[Hideousclaw]

https://imgur.com/rO2FiOd.jpg

To assume Venice of all people wants uncontested mobs.... step outta the hot tub Naet, you're pruning your brain.

[San'Drax]

In my opinion, garnered from my own guilds' attendance lately, people are discouraged at the lack of a governing presence on the server. Why log in when the raid is going to be a shit show or trains, kites, mistakes and nastiness. Has nothing to do with drafts (some guilds have high attendance at drafts), rooted or unrooted dragons etc.

[Robot]

AM was a zerg towards the end of 2018 into 2019, basically what happened was after sirken removed Racing with lockouts, Rustle pretty much instantly died, who was a guild who would basically 30-40 man every mob. A LOT OF people joined AM from Rustle.

AW died

Miss the pre-root days. The most fun I had my entire time in the raid scene on blue was when the one time a middle of the night batphone happened to wake me up by pure luck at like 5 am 2 hours before I went to work and we won fte against AM on Eashan, pulled him to the zone and killed him with like 22 people. Its the only reason I ever got a decent piece of raid loot on my rogue since I was like 1 of 3 rogues there and he dropped 2x claw of lightning I managed to get one of them for dirt fucking cheap. The next one to drop went for like 2x-3x the amount of DKP I payed.

Also AW didn't just die it was mercilessly massacred by the GMs by what was it... a 6 month raid ban or something fucking stupid? That's what made me quit blue and I didn't come back until green launched. So I agree with you man I think rooting the dragons is a big part of why the raid scene is so fucked up. I get the constant trains and petitions were probably a big problem for the GMs but now its just a meta that rewards zerg fest, less guilds to compete and its turned out on green just like blue did once they were rooted. One giant dominant guild flexing their victories over a bunch of smaller guilds that just cannot compete with their numbers.

[A Knight]

I think rooted mobs might be the first step of selling out to the masses, with Shadows of Luclin. It will gain you a mass population for a few of years, then the game will die because no one will be able to deny its bad.

(I still want to play Shadows of Luclin though. I dunno why. "Why you gotta make things so complicated" - Avril Lavigne.)

[Hyjalx]

Rooted dragons pretty much guaranteed a downward trend here. Day 1 of rooted dragons, guilds were already breaking up. Day 1. That was the first sign. Riot was formed that week if I'm not mistaken or not long after. I mean, it was the smart play. Gotta be the first to take advantage of a broken rule set if you have the ability to do so.

Nobody wants to see dragons get pulled to the zone in, I get it, but the reality is, it's classic and it honestly just promotes the best out of Everquest. It allows any 30 man group to be relevant if they put in the work. Many of us were in raid guilds on live, and understand how the game works and building a guild to be good enough to compete. You can't do that when raids need 20 or 30 people for 90% of the content, then suddenly need 100. It makes zero sense. Guilds lose members once that wall is hit, and the cycle never stops.

[dk0]

What gets me is that pull-to-entrance was the most accessible ToV has ever been. For all kinds of guilds and players. There's a serious misconception that you need a zerg or had to be crazy hardcore to compete, but that was absolutely not true.

Small guilds like Rustle & Core were very successful. Towards the end, AG started to drop the "casual" image and showed up to compete with some great success. I am absolutely confident any "casual" guild could have put in less effort in ToV than they did on targets like VS, fear golems, etc. and walk away with kills.

Spawn windows were tight in these days. This made raiding very manageable for people with lives outside of EQ. Also because of this, just by showing up for a few hours each cycle, there was a solid chance you could bag a dragon just because other guilds would be locked in to another target, since many windows would overlap.

Hardcore players got to be hardcore. Spend time on the line, coth mages, whatever role--there was plenty to do for these players. But also casual players got to be casual. Logging in for 10 minutes to stab a dragon is laughed at a lot, but warmbody auto-attackers make raiding incredibly accessible to casual players who can't commit to multiple-hour clears.

It was literally a win/win for everybody. I know petitions got intense and too frequent, but has it gotten any better?

Nowadays it's a numbers game. You will always have a single dominant guild rather than real competition because it's about getting sheer numbers. Success yields growth, and so it takes a long time to curb the momentum of a successful guild.

I haven't played in a while but apparently there are bag limits and/or rotations on the server now. In the time it takes to kill a single charity dragon, any guild could have had put a system in place (placed coth mages, setup a test server, practiced pulls, etc.) to compete every week and result in way more pixels. Oh well, I do genuinely hope people are having fun.

Since I assume we're never going back to rooted dragons, my opinion is that the server needs a brand new ruleset that's designed for the current meta rather than rehashed rules that were created for a completely different era. But that's another discussion.

[Bach]

Bag limits

GM enforced roll for ringwar

Rooted Dragons in TOV

GM enforced fear golem welfare race

"The draft" welfare week

p99 has reached the lowest point ever since launch, and it is sad. The one last bastion of competition in everquest is crawling to a stop. If you wanted noncompetitive content, go to the TLPs and have the entire raid zone to yourself.

New world is coming out next month - nail in the coffin?
Lawl new world....

Why not Pantheon while you're at it :D

[Ravager]

All of you are a fucking joke. Boo fucking hoo, so you can't show up spazz your way into instant loot. They made it so you actually have to play the game. None of you clowns even want to play EQ. You just want to play dress up in EC tunnel. Buy some dolls and play with those instead you sissies.

[Ripqozko]

All of you are a fucking joke. Boo fucking hoo, so you can't show up spazz your way into instant loot. They made it so you actually have to play the game. None of you clowns even want to play EQ. You just want to play dress up in EC tunnel. Buy some dolls and play with those instead you sissies.

sorry you dont got warder loot

[Bardp1999]

I figured a riot member would ask this, let me explain:

When a dragon spawns, whoever gets FTE (first to engage) on it, their raid to gets to kill it. I know you guys are used to uncontested bag limit loot so this might be a foreign concept.

Hey you stupid retard - FTE actually stands for First Time Enmity not First to Engage. IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT

[Clazxiss]

All of you are a fucking joke. Boo fucking hoo, so you can't show up spazz your way into instant loot. They made it so you actually have to play the game. None of you clowns even want to play EQ. You just want to play dress up in EC tunnel. Buy some dolls and play with those instead you sissies.

I think this is the most relevant comment of the thread. Lots of people wearing rose tinted glasses regarding ToV without unrooted dragons. I'll state that the farthest I've ever gone into ToV was killing trashing in the East wing I think it is? My experience in ToV is nada compared to some of the mighty stay at home sons in this threads.

With that said, what I do remember are the copious amounts of angry threads regarding trains, kill steals, and raid bans. For every infraction, there were dozens of petitions, from representatives guilds, hoping to zerg first to a GM response. It was some of the most hilarious reading I've set my eyes on when it comes to complaining about online games. While it was funny, it lead to the changes so many people in this thread complain about.

Put yourselves in the shoes of the volunteer staff and imagine starting your shift with manifestos about who did what with dragon X. Do that possibly 3 times a week, for 1 to 4 years. When you make you come to a conclusion about how to resolve the conflict, you still get a slew of people who spit and berate you. Unlike the referee on tv, you're not getting paid for this BS. Not only that, your bans can be circumvented with a VPN and the creation of multiple accounts. Sad example of this being someone that GM Braknar had crossed. For anyone who used the P99 discord, you probably saw someone spamming nasty things about Braknar and his family. It wasn't for a little while either. Whoever that particular mental case was, he went above and beyond to keep making accounts for a time to continue the spam. It was unnerving.

P99 has been called a museum multiple times. While you're allowed to ignore the donation box as you enter to enjoy the museum, it doesn't give you permission to crap it up. The greatest sin ever committed in the game of Everquest is the sin of "Ruining your own Lands." In this case, the players ruined their own lands and the GMs said, "You shall not ruin mine!"

[Nutsax]

Boxing = Perma Ban

Gaslighting?

[Bardp1999]

You overuse the term gaslighting and sound stupid when posting it non-relevantly

[cd288]

Why does OP care so much

[Nutsax]

You overuse the term gaslighting and sound stupid when posting it non-relevantly

Let me help you, when a person writes you use your eyes not your ears dummy.




































Boxing = Perma Ban

Gaslighting?

[Bardp1999]

stop gaslighting me maggot

[Twochain]

I think this is the most relevant comment of the thread. Lots of people wearing rose tinted glasses regarding ToV without unrooted dragons. I'll state that the farthest I've ever gone into ToV was killing trashing in the East wing I think it is? My experience in ToV is nada compared to some of the mighty stay at home sons in this threads.

With that said, what I do remember are the copious amounts of angry threads regarding trains, kill steals, and raid bans. For every infraction, there were dozens of petitions, from representatives guilds, hoping to zerg first to a GM response. It was some of the most hilarious reading I've set my eyes on when it comes to complaining about online games. While it was funny, it lead to the changes so many people in this thread complain about.

Put yourselves in the shoes of the volunteer staff and imagine starting your shift with manifestos about who did what with dragon X. Do that possibly 3 times a week, for 1 to 4 years. When you make you come to a conclusion about how to resolve the conflict, you still get a slew of people who spit and berate you. Unlike the referee on tv, you're not getting paid for this BS. Not only that, your bans can be circumvented with a VPN and the creation of multiple accounts. Sad example of this being someone that GM Braknar had crossed. For anyone who used the P99 discord, you probably saw someone spamming nasty things about Braknar and his family. It wasn't for a little while either. Whoever that particular mental case was, he went above and beyond to keep making accounts for a time to continue the spam. It was unnerving.

P99 has been called a museum multiple times. While you're allowed to ignore the donation box as you enter to enjoy the museum, it doesn't give you permission to crap it up. The greatest sin ever committed in the game of Everquest is the sin of "Ruining your own Lands." In this case, the players ruined their own lands and the GMs said, "You shall not ruin mine!"

Wasn't that greengrocer? A former GM no?

Your sig is literally complaining about blue. You never raided ToV during any era. Petitions are just as pathetic... no definitely more pathetic and wordy than they were then. Beef may be QQing, i am not. I perfectly understand how we got to where we are.

Also my mommy loves me

[Bardp1999]

Green Grocer was definitely a GM who was let go and went full retard against the server staff - Fatnar in particular. It went so far as I believe Rogean called his boss IRL and the dude ended up getting fired. GG leaked a bunch of CSR chat logs and exposed some of the nasty underbelly of P99.

He then proceeded to lose his mind - a quick google search can confirm Grocer-Gate

Go under advanced search and click in the User Name field and type in "BRAKNAR" and look at what populates - thats all Grocer right there.

[Detoxx]

It’s not worth the time to log in and get trAined for an hour. Braknar was right all along.

See people say stuff like this and yet it is very few and far between that this happens. Lets just look at some numbers:

Since Freedom was formed in July 2020, which lead to teaming with AG and the first real competition on the server since 2019, it has been 57 weeks.

Every week, Fr/AG / Vanquish and Riot have competed on, lets say ~25 mobs.

53*25 = 1325 competitive raids (Figuring the times that there was concessions or one guild was locked or another guild just didnt have the numbers to compete balances out with the respawns / quakes in that time this number is pretty close to accurate.)

Of those 1325 raids there have been roughly 30 petitions against each other. Thats ~2% of the time there is an issue that cannot be resolved without GM intervention.

This idea that:
It’s not worth the time to log in and get trAined for an hour. Braknar was right all along.

Is extreme hyperbole and just an excuse losers and quitters use to spin a narrative because said losers and quitters are losing and quitting.

The GMs hate dealing with petitions, and I get that, but looking at these numbers its really isnt some inordinate amount of times that we have to rely on them to settle something and the constant lies and hyperbole listed by the quoted above and just straight misinformation.

[Ennewi]

What gets me is that pull-to-entrance was the most accessible ToV has ever been. For all kinds of guilds and players. There's a serious misconception that you need a zerg or had to be crazy hardcore to compete, but that was absolutely not true.

Small guilds like Rustle & Core were very successful. Towards the end, AG started to drop the "casual" image and showed up to compete with some great success. I am absolutely confident any "casual" guild could have put in less effort in ToV than they did on targets like VS, fear golems, etc. and walk away with kills.

Spawn windows were tight in these days. This made raiding very manageable for people with lives outside of EQ. Also because of this, just by showing up for a few hours each cycle, there was a solid chance you could bag a dragon just because other guilds would be locked in to another target, since many windows would overlap.

Hardcore players got to be hardcore. Spend time on the line, coth mages, whatever role--there was plenty to do for these players. But also casual players got to be casual. Logging in for 10 minutes to stab a dragon is laughed at a lot, but warmbody auto-attackers make raiding incredibly accessible to casual players who can't commit to multiple-hour clears.

It was literally a win/win for everybody. I know petitions got intense and too frequent, but has it gotten any better?

Nowadays it's a numbers game. You will always have a single dominant guild rather than real competition because it's about getting sheer numbers. Success yields growth, and so it takes a long time to curb the momentum of a successful guild.

I haven't played in a while but apparently there are bag limits and/or rotations on the server now. In the time it takes to kill a single charity dragon, any guild could have had put a system in place (placed coth mages, setup a test server, practiced pulls, etc.) to compete every week and result in way more pixels. Oh well, I do genuinely hope people are having fun.

Since I assume we're never going back to rooted dragons, my opinion is that the server needs a brand new ruleset that's designed for the current meta rather than rehashed rules that were created for a completely different era. But that's another discussion.

Unrooted dragons were fun for the pull team, but that amounted to a small fraction of each raid force. The zone and the rest of its spawns were out of sight, out of mind for the majority who may as well have been warm bodies for how much they contributed. Few commands needed to be followed and not much attention had to be paid.

With push interrupts, very little differentiated one dragon from another. Right and left cubby were the new lairs for a lot of the dragons, each one isolated from any of the hazards and mishaps that came with crawling through the zone. Vyemm's knockback was inconsequential there, a slight rollercoaster thrill for DPS and nothing more.

EQ was mostly a PVE game. While that translated into Players Versus Non-Player Characters, the environment was still supposed to be half of the battle. Certain spells have zone restrictions, most notably levitate in Plane of Sky. But the NPCs and their corners of the zones were created with each other in mind. Eejag can't be pulled out of the lava to the Nektulos or Najena zoneline. Brother Jentry is tethered to Sir Lucan. Icy terrors have a knockback to toss players into bear pits. The list goes on.

If people aren't going to roleplay, if only a fraction of them are going to be put to use, and if there is no zone layout to traverse other than the designated kill spots, the letters in MMORPG don't represent much of anything.

[Twochain]

See people say stuff like this and yet it is very few and far between that this happens. Lets just look at some numbers:

Since Freedom was formed in July 2020, which lead to teaming with AG and the first real competition on the server since 2019, it has been 57 weeks.

Every week, Fr/AG / Vanquish and Riot have competed on, lets say ~25 mobs.

53*25 = 1325 competitive raids (Figuring the times that there was concessions or one guild was locked or another guild just didnt have the numbers to compete balances out with the respawns / quakes in that time this number is pretty close to accurate.)

Of those 1325 raids there have been roughly 30 petitions against each other. Thats ~2% of the time there is an issue that cannot be resolved without GM intervention.

This idea that:


Is extreme hyperbole and just an excuse losers and quitters use to spin a narrative because said losers and quitters are losing and quitting.

The GMs hate dealing with petitions, and I get that, but looking at these numbers its really isnt some inordinate amount of times that we have to rely on them to settle something and the constant lies and hyperbole listed by the quoted above and just straight misinformation.

Hmm.. less petitions now than before april 2018?

[Twochain]

Hmm.. less petitions now than before april 2018?

2019 woops

[Naethyn]

Detoxx really impressing me.

[Nutsax]

See people say stuff like this and yet it is very few and far between that this happens. Lets just look at some numbers:

Since Freedom was formed in July 2020, which lead to teaming with AG and the first real competition on the server since 2019, it has been 57 weeks.

Every week, Fr/AG / Vanquish and Riot have competed on, lets say ~25 mobs.

53*25 = 1325 competitive raids (Figuring the times that there was concessions or one guild was locked or another guild just didnt have the numbers to compete balances out with the respawns / quakes in that time this number is pretty close to accurate.)

Of those 1325 raids there have been roughly 30 petitions against each other. Thats ~2% of the time there is an issue that cannot be resolved without GM intervention.

This idea that:


Is extreme hyperbole and just an excuse losers and quitters use to spin a narrative because said losers and quitters are losing and quitting.

The GMs hate dealing with petitions, and I get that, but looking at these numbers its really isnt some inordinate amount of times that we have to rely on them to settle something and the constant lies and hyperbole listed by the quoted above and just straight misinformation.

Stop Gaslighting, next Guildname you shitbags should use is Trainquish.

[Clazxiss]

Wasn't that greengrocer? A former GM no?

Your sig is literally complaining about blue. You never raided ToV during any era. Petitions are just as pathetic... no definitely more pathetic and wordy than they were then. Beef may be QQing, i am not. I perfectly understand how we got to where we are.

Also my mommy loves me

Glad to hear your mom loves you. Mines loves me too.

Regarding my signature, I stand by it. When I was about to make my first character on P99, I decided to go for red just for the ability to contest classic monsters I could never camp on live. Turns out, Red's population was low enough that I could adventure and experience full dungeons in Norrath! How cool, right? On live where I played, that was not an option due to the high population along with players who embraced "sock life." I checked out the forums just to be sure I made the right choice, and sure enough I did.

Just from the rants and flames, I saw the typical disputes over camps, epic mobs, and raids. No thank you. I may not have raided ToV during any era, but I certainly did help guild mates with their epics as well attempt to get mine done. Staring down 4 other guilds at the Ragefire spot, 2 hours before it's about to spawn to help my cleric buddy finish her epic, sound fun? Waiting another hour for a GM to come and help decide who should get it. Is that fun? No.

Heck, there are at least 2 different threads, with multiple replies, about how terrible two of the Enchanter epic monsters are because of players who sell loot rights. That's even worse than live. I can't imagine what those same players are like in a raid.

Here's what saddens me about the blue player base. The game is 22 years old. Witnessing the toxic raid, group, and player culture of Everquest was unavoidable. With the people who play this emulator, how none of them have matured and recognized this behavior enough to curtail it is the crime itself. The fact GMs had to make those unclassic changes to game is proof of that.

[Baler]

Exile the rule breakers to the red server.

[Swish]

Exile the rule breakers to the red server.

No thanks, clean whistles only on red. You keep them.

[Croco]

Boxing = Perma Ban

Gaslighting?

The irony of having that in his signature when the one person who's been proven to have boxed in the past year is still alive and well on the server and leading a guild. Perma ban's ain't what they use to be!

[Pint]

Would love to see the numbers on how many ppl hate bag limits but still log in to kill dragons each week for that pixel fix

[Ravager]

All of them.

[Allishia]

Unrooted dragons were fun for the pull team, but that amounted to a small fraction of each raid force. The zone and the rest of its spawns were out of sight, out of mind for the majority who may as well have been warm bodies for how much they contributed. Few commands needed to be followed and not much attention had to be paid.

With push interrupts, very little differentiated one dragon from another. Right and left cubby were the new lairs for a lot of the dragons, each one isolated from any of the hazards and mishaps that came with crawling through the zone. Vyemm's knockback was inconsequential there, a slight rollercoaster thrill for DPS and nothing more.

I do agree, raids b4 rooted dragons were fun to pull etc but you didn't get to see much. I use to run Necro pets up to aary steps to see a little but if you didn't fte dragons you never really got to see ntov at all.

I wish there was a way to do both. Sometimes have them rooted then maybe unroot them on a quake I dunno. Hub/hall tagging was fun too. Mix it up /nod

[Nexii]

I do agree, raids b4 rooted dragons were fun to pull etc but you didn't get to see much. I use to run Necro pets up to aary steps to see a little but if you didn't fte dragons you never really got to see ntov at all.

I wish there was a way to do both. Sometimes have them rooted then maybe unroot them on a quake I dunno. Hub/hall tagging was fun too. Mix it up /nod

I had the exact same idea last night. Well, it was the opposite - rooted on quake and unrooted otherwise.

[cd288]

I do agree, raids b4 rooted dragons were fun to pull etc but you didn't get to see much. I use to run Necro pets up to aary steps to see a little but if you didn't fte dragons you never really got to see ntov at all.

I wish there was a way to do both. Sometimes have them rooted then maybe unroot them on a quake I dunno. Hub/hall tagging was fun too. Mix it up /nod

The simple fact of the matter is that if people were doing these pulling tricks extensively on live back in the day, the devs would've stepped in to find a solution. They would've viewed it as exploitative. And I would bet their solution would've been rooting them or something similar (maybe that they only chase so far, etc.).

[Bardp1999]

Didnt realize this was a "what would 1999 devs do to solve EQ problems" server, thought this was a classic server that emulated classic mechanics as they were in 1999

[Twochain]

The simple fact of the matter is that if people were doing these pulling tricks extensively on live back in the day, the devs would've stepped in to find a solution. They would've viewed it as exploitative. And I would bet their solution would've been rooting them or something similar (maybe that they only chase so far, etc.).


Absolutely not true, a good portion of people i've talked to who raided ToV back in live said that they pretty much exclusively killed dragons on Aary steps.


Also I don't exactly buy into the notion that only pullers had fun during that era... because if you weren't out in the hub helping, or helping pull, that's because you didn't want to. Sedativex exclusively pulled on his shaman. Clerics is one of the better classes to pull with. Mages were the absolute best. ANY class could hall tag or clean up mobs. Wizards are great, and at one point were the premiere pulling class when you could still bind in zone.

I also find it weird that a Red player is in here talking about how rose tinted glasses and unrooted dragons... considering the red server hasn't been able to raid NToV SINCE the dragons were rooted. Honestly, has vulak been killed on the red server in the last two years at all??

All this being said, i'm not crying up a storm about rooted dragons. I still think races and lockouts is what we should try for next. If the dragons were unrooted tomorrow, there would be some issues. You're not allowed to coth race anymore, so you'd have to run from zonein, FTE, and get it back to the zone in clean.

[Clazxiss]

Didnt realize this was a "what would 1999 devs do to solve EQ problems" server, thought this was a classic server that emulated classic mechanics as they were in 1999

I think people should be thankful for what the volunteer P99 staff has done to work through some tough issues. The original EQ dev team wielded their nerf bats like children around a pinata. Breaking things instead of fixing them was their MO all the way through Planes of Power.

I played an ENC on live. How excited I was that charm would allow me to take on mini bosses in the plane of storms during PoP. But because there were endless complaints about enchanters owning that zone, the devs nerfed the mechanics of their charm, effectively killing the spell line itself. Other solutions could've rectified that problem, but again, the EQ Dev team loved its nerf bat.

Recall when players killed the Sleeper? Dev team logged into a naked human and murdered the raid force for this. Then if I remember right, suspensions and bans were issued to that raid force.

So now that we've had a brief history lesson, what do you think the EQ Dev team of old would've done with ToV and the drama it dumps on the Guides? Based on how they handled other scenarios, I don't think people would be happy with what possible solutions they'd come up with.

[Ennewi]

I do agree, raids b4 rooted dragons were fun to pull etc but you didn't get to see much. I use to run Necro pets up to aary steps to see a little but if you didn't fte dragons you never really got to see ntov at all.

I wish there was a way to do both. Sometimes have them rooted then maybe unroot them on a quake I dunno. Hub/hall tagging was fun too. Mix it up /nod

Snared dragons?!

[SantagarBrax]

There's a few facts here I'd like to point out from personal experience.

1) FTE lockout era was boring as fuck for everyone except FTE'ers, although I will admit it allowed smaller guilds to compete in the raid scene on a much more successful level and perhaps an argument could be made that it therefore promoted more competition.

2) Complaining about trains (classic mechanic btw) in an attempt to blow out of proportion the actual amount of times this occurs for the sake of free mobs seems to be a theme mainly for one particular guild, Riot. It's part of the game and imo the perception should be viewed as such. 99% of the time it's not intentional from anyone. Training mobs away - if you haven't realized by now that the meta has changed in ToV, then this is why you fail and will continue to do so. Week in and week out you guys fail to learn how to properly train away mobs and you fail every time because 4-6 people won't put in the effort to learn, then complain to everyone else here on these forums how unfair things are when you lose mobs.

3) Menden / Galach never made their promotions count. They never took "ownership" and established how their administration was going to do things. This ambiguity in both leadership and establishing and/or reinforcing the rules has directly contributed to the vast majority of petitions over the past year, due to their own lack of involvement at the very beginning and continued failure to do so correct this mistake. (I'll give you bag limits and RW roll change, it's notable and worth mentioning)

4) I disagree that it's "all about the pixels". That's just the sweet cherry on top after motivating 60 people to overcome failure, sometimes multiple failures in a row, and persevere in order to achieve the victory of the kill over the competition. The competition isn't just against other guilds, it's also against attrition within your own guild throughout many facets. These are the most enjoyable and memorable kills (May 5th Vulak for example, Trak wipe 5% last week, etc) and the up's and down's are both bitter and sweet.

5) Casuals. There are many options out there for casual players that "don't have time" nor the willpower to compete: TLP, Takp, casual blue/green 99 without complaining about the raid scene with which you do not participate in, etc.

Things go in cycles if you haven't noticed. Burning everything down because it's currently not in a cycle that you enjoy isn't the way. Just wait a while until a cycle comes around that you enjoy playing. Breaks are good and highly recommended for everyone.

~Unchained~

[Ennewi]

Didnt realize this was a "what would 1999 devs do to solve EQ problems" server, thought this was a classic server that emulated classic mechanics as they were in 1999

If players only ever did what 1999 players were known to do in EQ, the devs here could emulate classic mechanics as they were with no additional work required. But that would be ridiculous to expect of us, the players, as then we wouldn't really be challenging ourselves. However, tt would be just as ridiculous to expect them not to actively participate as devs. EQ had this same power struggle back then, some of which can be seen here and there in the patch notes. The main difference here stems from how long players have had to break the mechanics, trying to keep them broken while bending the rules in the name of classic. Players could exploit guard patching in Freeport by running on top of the city walls. It was classic and, when brought to the attention of GMs, a punishable offense. Not every exploit was made known to the GMs because even (most of) the playerbase was unaware.

McQuaid himself said that low level characters weren't meant to wield their epics, that it was an oversight, even though technically it was possible in classic...hence the level restriction in place now. The same argument could be used to support paladin-only SoulFires, among other limitations in place on Project1999.

[Ennewi]

Players could exploit guard pathing in Freeport by running on top of the city walls. It was classic and, when brought to the attention of GMs, became a punishable offense. Not every exploit was made known to the GMs because even (most of) the playerbase was unaware.

Tl; dr...
The original game was not a finished product on launch day or on the last day of Velious. A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned. Luckily for us classic EQ wasn't abandoned entirely.

[Twochain]

There's a few facts here I'd like to point out from personal experience.

1) FTE lockout era was boring as fuck for everyone except FTE'ers, although I will admit it allowed smaller guilds to compete in the raid scene on a much more successful level and perhaps an argument could be made that it therefore promoted more competition.

2) Complaining about trains (classic mechanic btw) in an attempt to blow out of proportion the actual amount of times this occurs for the sake of free mobs seems to be a theme mainly for one particular guild, Riot. It's part of the game and imo the perception should be viewed as such. 99% of the time it's not intentional from anyone. Training mobs away - if you haven't realized by now that the meta has changed in ToV, then this is why you fail and will continue to do so. Week in and week out you guys fail to learn how to properly train away mobs and you fail every time because 4-6 people won't put in the effort to learn, then complain to everyone else here on these forums how unfair things are when you lose mobs.

3) Menden / Galach never made their promotions count. They never took "ownership" and established how their administration was going to do things. This ambiguity in both leadership and establishing and/or reinforcing the rules has directly contributed to the vast majority of petitions over the past year, due to their own lack of involvement at the very beginning and continued failure to do so correct this mistake. (I'll give you bag limits and RW roll change, it's notable and worth mentioning)

4) I disagree that it's "all about the pixels". That's just the sweet cherry on top after motivating 60 people to overcome failure, sometimes multiple failures in a row, and persevere in order to achieve the victory of the kill over the competition. The competition isn't just against other guilds, it's also against attrition within your own guild throughout many facets. These are the most enjoyable and memorable kills (May 5th Vulak for example, Trak wipe 5% last week, etc) and the up's and down's are both bitter and sweet.

5) Casuals. There are many options out there for casual players that "don't have time" nor the willpower to compete: TLP, Takp, casual blue/green 99 without complaining about the raid scene with which you do not participate in, etc.

Things go in cycles if you haven't noticed. Burning everything down because it's currently not in a cycle that you enjoy isn't the way. Just wait a while until a cycle comes around that you enjoy playing. Breaks are good and highly recommended for everyone.

~Unchained~

FTE lockouts would be a little different with rooted dragons, as you would still need to crawl. It would essentially be the same as it is now, except, ya know, without two guilds on top of each other. And the more I think about it, the more I think it should be a solution for green but not blue. IF we did go that route on blue, i'd hope that bag limits would be removed.

Hell on Blue, i'd be fine with giving non Vanq/KRiot 24 hour lock outs instead of 1 hour. I'd hope it would motivate some smaller guilds to show up and give it a shot. (Even though it didn't really happen that way when Sirken implemented this, FoH/Venerate did often try to compete when they were clearly the 4th or 5th guild on the chain, we even got a statue once and got AoW down to 40%.. but it did allow Rustle to operate as a small raid force)

The fact that were years into Menden/Galachs tenure and there has been 0 real scandals, 0 people crying that they got banned for literally no reason, No months long raid bans ETC, i'd point to that as them doing a good job. Don't forget that after Sirken stepped down the GM's that remained almost immediately tried to impose a forced rotation for the whole server. (Thank you Rogean for throwing the kibosh on that) People cry about "indifference" in regards to current rulings.. but I don't think it's indifference. I think people who blatantly break rules on raids, with proof, will get immediately slapped. Everything in the Gray area probably falls into the "play on, and play better" ruling. And of course, that's not something you can say to a whole server, because the tears that would ensue would flood the north east. And not for nothing, it's probably the best way to go about P99 raiding in 2021. Riot is alive because of a GM enforced bag limit. If not, they'd probably be dead, because the brutal nature of this server is, that if you're a hard core raiding guild, and not snagging Vulak kills, you die. AM went from the biggest zerg EQ has ever seen, to barely fielding 50-60 people in LESS THAN TWO MONTHS because we started losing Vulaks to Riot. Riot is not dying because GM's are indifferent, it's because their Vulak strat isn't great, and they don't have enough people making plays to ensure kills. Just like AM.

[Croco]

FTE lockouts would be a little different with rooted dragons, as you would still need to crawl. It would essentially be the same as it is now, except, ya know, without two guilds on top of each other. And the more I think about it, the more I think it should be a solution for green but not blue. IF we did go that route on blue, i'd hope that bag limits would be removed.

Hell on Blue, i'd be fine with giving non Vanq/KRiot 24 hour lock outs instead of 1 hour. I'd hope it would motivate some smaller guilds to show up and give it a shot. (Even though it didn't really happen that way when Sirken implemented this, FoH/Venerate did often try to compete when they were clearly the 4th or 5th guild on the chain, we even got a statue once and got AoW down to 40%.. but it did allow Rustle to operate as a small raid force)

The fact that were years into Menden/Galachs tenure and there has been 0 real scandals, 0 people crying that they got banned for literally no reason, No months long raid bans ETC, i'd point to that as them doing a good job. Don't forget that after Sirken stepped down the GM's that remained almost immediately tried to impose a forced rotation for the whole server. (Thank you Rogean for throwing the kibosh on that) People cry about "indifference" in regards to current rulings.. but I don't think it's indifference. I think people who blatantly break rules on raids, with proof, will get immediately slapped. Everything in the Gray area probably falls into the "play on, and play better" ruling. And of course, that's not something you can say to a whole server, because the tears that would ensue would flood the north east. And not for nothing, it's probably the best way to go about P99 raiding in 2021. Riot is alive because of a GM enforced bag limit. If not, they'd probably be dead, because the brutal nature of this server is, that if you're a hard core raiding guild, and not snagging Vulak kills, you die. AM went from the biggest zerg EQ has ever seen, to barely fielding 50-60 people in LESS THAN TWO MONTHS because we started losing Vulaks to Riot. Riot is not dying because GM's are indifferent, it's because their Vulak strat isn't great, and they don't have enough people making plays to ensure kills. Just like AM.

Lol, there's 4 months of petitions stacked up. Yeah they're doing a "great" job. Not sure what you count as a "real" scandal but there definitely have been some. There's still one going on right now.

[Dolalin]

Rooting dragons was the solution implemented by the original EQ team, so it's classic, if not in-era exactly.

[Croco]

Not in era, so not classic then?

[Twochain]

Lol, there's 4 months of petitions stacked up. Yeah they're doing a "great" job. Not sure what you count as a "real" scandal but there definitely have been some. There's still one going on right now.

Oh? Do tell.

[Rick Sanchez]

The most vocal supporters of "competition" almost always just want to lord over pixels. Every single one of the systems outlined above are keeping more raid entities in the game.

[xdrcfrx]

There's a few facts here I'd like to point out from personal experience.

1) FTE lockout era was boring as fuck for everyone except FTE'ers, although I will admit it allowed smaller guilds to compete in the raid scene on a much more successful level and perhaps an argument could be made that it therefore promoted more competition.

2) Complaining about trains (classic mechanic btw) in an attempt to blow out of proportion the actual amount of times this occurs for the sake of free mobs seems to be a theme mainly for one particular guild, Riot. It's part of the game and imo the perception should be viewed as such. 99% of the time it's not intentional from anyone. Training mobs away - if you haven't realized by now that the meta has changed in ToV, then this is why you fail and will continue to do so. Week in and week out you guys fail to learn how to properly train away mobs and you fail every time because 4-6 people won't put in the effort to learn, then complain to everyone else here on these forums how unfair things are when you lose mobs.

3) Menden / Galach never made their promotions count. They never took "ownership" and established how their administration was going to do things. This ambiguity in both leadership and establishing and/or reinforcing the rules has directly contributed to the vast majority of petitions over the past year, due to their own lack of involvement at the very beginning and continued failure to do so correct this mistake. (I'll give you bag limits and RW roll change, it's notable and worth mentioning)

4) I disagree that it's "all about the pixels". That's just the sweet cherry on top after motivating 60 people to overcome failure, sometimes multiple failures in a row, and persevere in order to achieve the victory of the kill over the competition. The competition isn't just against other guilds, it's also against attrition within your own guild throughout many facets. These are the most enjoyable and memorable kills (May 5th Vulak for example, Trak wipe 5% last week, etc) and the up's and down's are both bitter and sweet.

5) Casuals. There are many options out there for casual players that "don't have time" nor the willpower to compete: TLP, Takp, casual blue/green 99 without complaining about the raid scene with which you do not participate in, etc.

Things go in cycles if you haven't noticed. Burning everything down because it's currently not in a cycle that you enjoy isn't the way. Just wait a while until a cycle comes around that you enjoy playing. Breaks are good and highly recommended for everyone.

~Unchained~

just responding to a couple of your points. RE: #2, this would be easier to believe if vanquish ever actually took responsibility for it's trains, and if they didn't seem to happen week after week, even when the competing raid force wasn't anywhere close to the vanquish raid.

RE: #3, I think the items you mentioned in parenthesis are actually the stamp the current GM's have put on the server, which you say is lacking. Along these lines, re: #5, I think the GM's position seems pretty easy to articulate: in year 6 of velious, it's probably ok to dial back how cutthroat the competition is and allow for some limited sharing of content among guilds that aren't really able or willing to engage in the literally insane p99 raid scene, especially when nearly all orgs that exist and interact with each other agree to do so. Getting a chance every 3 months to kill a limited selection of targets is nice, and you still get to go super hard more than 90% of the time.

[SantagarBrax]

just responding to a couple of your points. RE: #2, this would be easier to believe if vanquish ever actually took responsibility for it's trains, and if they didn't seem to happen week after week, even when the competing raid force wasn't anywhere close to the vanquish raid.

RE: #3, I think the items you mentioned in parenthesis are actually the stamp the current GM's have put on the server, which you say is lacking. Along these lines, re: #5, I think the GM's position seems pretty easy to articulate: in year 6 of velious, it's probably ok to dial back how cutthroat the competition is and allow for some limited sharing of content among guilds that aren't really able or willing to engage in the literally insane p99 raid scene, especially when nearly all orgs that exist and interact with each other agree to do so. Getting a chance every 3 months to kill a limited selection of targets is nice, and you still get to go super hard more than 90% of the time.

I believe vanquish does take responsibility for trains. We conceded last Dain for screwing up the pull and we do that frequently when we screw up. We're just not going to concede a target when there's no active engage on it: i.e. Riot clearing to doubles doesn't mean we're conceding jorlleag and lady N if we're training to triples from vyemm while you guys are kiting some mobs at bottom of triples ramp without our knowledge.

In response to "cutting back how cutthroat the competition is and allow for some limited sharing of content" - NO. Go somewhere else if you want that. There's plenty of other options. This is the only competitive server that hasn't been nerf nuked to hell and double wrapped in plastic bubbles within bubbles.

You (general you) don't deserve content that you aren't willing to sacrifice and put in the time and effort to see that content / pixels. If you want a participation trophy of content / pixels, go to any of the multiple options where you can do that.

[Kijuta]

Raiding on p99 is the only form of Competitive PVE there is. You wouldn't know because you are a noob.

1 Guild raiding is very very boring. I would never show up to any raid if there wasn't somebody else to beat. There is nothing challenging about killing dragons in Velious 6 years in, it's the other guilds that provide the challenge to beat..

It's crazy to see the die hard people that live in EQ are still at it from YEAAARS ago. This Twochain guy is the iconic definition of an elitest toxic personality. That nonsense existed back in original EQ and next to NO one cared for it. Competition in EQ, the very notion of that is a bad joke. To even claim this game was remotely designed for it is beyond delusional. You want "competition" in an old school MMO that's fairly simple, go play on a PVP server, thats literally your "ACTUAL COMPETITION". <~Not seeing who can bogart all the raid loot to one guild(that is NOT competition, thats a fact)..

It's insane seeing how some of the player base speak to each other in these forums. It's sure as hell not how i remember EQ. It's always had people on edge and a bit too tense. But now it seems you have this type that wants "competition"(aka, bogarting npc's) and those that want to give snarky remarks about people who don't live in a 20+ year old game.. As if they should be knowledgeable about the game in the way you are, like wtf people?

To end my rant, thank you to those that are actual pillars to this community. The servers LITERALLY need it. Otherwise people like twochain and the other naysayer's to people enjoying the game, would of killed it loooong before any dev or GM would.

[SantagarBrax]

It's crazy to see the die hard people that live in EQ are still at it from YEAAARS ago. This Twochain guy is the iconic definition of an elitest toxic personality. That nonsense existed back in original EQ and next to NO one cared for it. Competition in EQ, the very notion of that is a bad joke. To even claim this game was remotely designed for it is beyond delusional. You want "competition" in an old school MMO that's fairly simple, go play on a PVP server, thats literally your "ACTUAL COMPETITION". <~Not seeing who can bogart all the raid loot to one guild(that is NOT competition, thats a fact)..



You just don't understand it, therefore you criticize it. Pretty standard operating procedures from those that believe as you do.

[Ripqozko]

Imagine equating 7 years into velious farming as competition. The game was won 6 years ago. You weren't there, hope that helps.

[Trexller]

Imagine equating 7 years into velious farming as competition. The game was won 21 years ago. You weren't there, hope that helps.

FTFY

[Twochain]

It's crazy to see the die hard people that live in EQ are still at it from YEAAARS ago. This Twochain guy is the iconic definition of an elitest toxic personality. That nonsense existed back in original EQ and next to NO one cared for it. Competition in EQ, the very notion of that is a bad joke. To even claim this game was remotely designed for it is beyond delusional. You want "competition" in an old school MMO that's fairly simple, go play on a PVP server, thats literally your "ACTUAL COMPETITION". <~Not seeing who can bogart all the raid loot to one guild(that is NOT competition, thats a fact)..

It's insane seeing how some of the player base speak to each other in these forums. It's sure as hell not how i remember EQ. It's always had people on edge and a bit too tense. But now it seems you have this type that wants "competition"(aka, bogarting npc's) and those that want to give snarky remarks about people who don't live in a 20+ year old game.. As if they should be knowledgeable about the game in the way you are, like wtf people?

To end my rant, thank you to those that are actual pillars to this community. The servers LITERALLY need it. Otherwise people like twochain and the other naysayer's to people enjoying the game, would of killed it loooong before any dev or GM would.

You would be hard pressed to find somebody who has been more welcoming and helpful to new players than myself, Friend.

[xdrcfrx]

I believe vanquish does take responsibility for trains. We conceded last Dain for screwing up the pull and we do that frequently when we screw up. We're just not going to concede a target when there's no active engage on it: i.e. Riot clearing to doubles doesn't mean we're conceding jorlleag and lady N if we're training to triples from vyemm while you guys are kiting some mobs at bottom of triples ramp without our knowledge.

In response to "cutting back how cutthroat the competition is and allow for some limited sharing of content" - NO. Go somewhere else if you want that. There's plenty of other options. This is the only competitive server that hasn't been nerf nuked to hell and double wrapped in plastic bubbles within bubbles.

You (general you) don't deserve content that you aren't willing to sacrifice and put in the time and effort to see that content / pixels. If you want a participation trophy of content / pixels, go to any of the multiple options where you can do that.

if the suggestion was to do away with competition even half of the time, you'd had a point here. But when you (the general you) cry as much as some people do over a draft week one week out of every thirteen, it's hard to take them seriously.

https://imgur.com/GKO58pw

I don't think it's competition you all are really after.

[Twochain]

Imagine equating 7 years into velious farming as competition. The game was won 6 years ago. You weren't there, hope that helps.

Imagine being a Rampage era mage main that's been on the server for 10 years and giving up EPIC LESS

Soulcommander installed the game for the first time, got level 60, and got epic in 3 months.. what are you even doing?? (hope this helps)

[SantagarBrax]

Imagine equating 7 years into velious farming as competition. The game was won 6 years ago. You weren't there, hope that helps.

Ahh another person that just doesn't understand it either. I was in Riot for 16 months, 10 of which were uncontested free unlimited pixels.....BORING AF!

There was no sense of achievement as there was nothing to lose to.

So, I believe we all now know that those of you complaining about pixels, "bogarting content", "imagine..." and yada yada yada just don't get it and never will because you want things without any effort put into it.

[Allishia]

Imagine being a Rampage era mage main that's been on the server for 10 years and giving up EPIC LESS

Soulcommander installed the game for the first time, got level 60, and got epic in 3 months.. what are you even doing?? (hope this helps)

Soulcommander was really nice person too. Crazy stories lol.

[xdrcfrx]

Ahh another person that just doesn't understand it either. I was in Riot for 16 months, 10 of which were uncontested free unlimited pixels.....BORING AF!

There was no sense of achievement as there was nothing to lose to.

So, I believe we all now know that those of you complaining about pixels, "bogarting content", "imagine..." and yada yada yada just don't get it and never will because you want things without any effort put into it.

https://imgur.com/GKO58pw

[xdrcfrx]

(double post because bad, levels of sad/mad debatable)

"Kill riot, make 1:1 rotation with AG. This is the goal."

Spoken like a true competitor who values competition for its own sake

[Nexii]

A one guild server is not only boring, it's awful if you're a rank and file member like most players. Leadership will treat you like dirt if they know you have no other options.

[Nutsax]

just responding to a couple of your points. RE: #2, this would be easier to believe if vanquish ever actually took responsibility for it's trains, and if they didn't seem to happen week after week, even when the competing raid force wasn't anywhere close to the vanquish raid.

Bag limits to date: KWSM 12 Riot 41 Trainquish 43

[SantagarBrax]

if the suggestion was to do away with competition even half of the time, you'd had a point here. But when you (the general you) cry as much as some people do over a draft week one week out of every thirteen, it's hard to take them seriously.

https://imgur.com/GKO58pw

I don't think it's competition you all are really after.

Because it's a slippery slope and we never come back from it. If you wan't charity and free pixels without competition, go to another server. There's plenty out there, stop trying to castrate the only legitimate competitive server in existence.

[Ripqozko]

Imagine being a Rampage era mage main that's been on the server for 10 years and giving up EPIC LESS

Soulcommander installed the game for the first time, got level 60, and got epic in 3 months.. what are you even doing?? (hope this helps)

Not playing , hope you doing good tho brah.

[Twochain]

Not playing , hope you doing good tho brah.

<3 miss u brotha, u been playing Rust? or what.

[Croco]

Oh? Do tell.

Well on the one hand you have a GM with a forum signature that literally says 2 boxers get perma banned and on the other hand you have a certain guild leader who 2 boxed while he was purposefully training another guild with their own bot and yet said guild leader is still playing on the server leading a guild.

If that's not a scandal I don't know what is.

[Ripqozko]

<3 miss u brotha, u been playing Rust? or what.

Not in a bit, ffxiv some, but mostly just working. Will grab ages of empires 4 which is beta tho.

[Nexii]

Well on the one hand you have a GM with a forum signature that literally says 2 boxers get perma banned and on the other hand you have a certain guild leader who 2 boxed while he was purposefully training another guild with their own bot and yet said guild leader is still playing on the server leading a guild.

If that's not a scandal I don't know what is.

There was a period where first offense was 30 days on blue/red but it was always perma on green. Not sure what the rule for blue/red is now or why that was the case.

[Ratchet51]

I saw a guy get permabanned on Green for pickpocketing once.

[xdrcfrx]

Because it's a slippery slope and we never come back from it. If you wan't charity and free pixels without competition, go to another server. There's plenty out there, stop trying to castrate the only legitimate competitive server in existence.

interesting choice of words, yikes. paging dr. freud.

you get to <strike>train everyone</strike> compete the way you want 12 out of every 13 weeks, it's gonna be ok. "slippery slope" as argument is generally considered a logical fallacy, so don't be surprised that nearly everyone else on the server rolls their eyes at you for thinking the sky is falling because GM's said you had to share your toys.

[Whale biologist]

you get to <strike>train everyone</strike> compete the way you want 12

train everyone

[Detoxx]

Rooting dragons was the solution implemented by the original EQ team, so it's classic, if not in-era exactly.

Wrong. They were rooted for different reasons.

Try again

[Kazik]

Can we root these forums so these poor people can get a life?

[cd288]

lol nice 1

also, is that your way of announcing rule changes? just put it in your sig?

staff is a joke

the amount of times rules changed on a whim...

WITH NO ANNOUNCEMENT

and punishments were given (retroactively enforced)

seriously this happens way way way too much

Oh wow you mean the staff that volunteer their free time to this and pay out of pocket so dickheads like you can play free classic Everquest are allowed to do what they want with their server and not have to explain themselves? Wow what a shocker! Freaking dumbass.

Hope you get a vacation for talking shit on the staff.

[myrddraal]

Pretty sure the competition is still alive and well. Engage teams are pretty much set round the clock.

[Ravager]

I'm ready to engage RnF. This shit has been so fucking lame since 2012 that even I can compete.

[RevSaber]

Can we root these forums so these poor people can get a life?

Sick burn... /facepalm

[Tune]

Oh wow you mean the staff that volunteer their free time to this and pay out of pocket so dickheads like you can play free classic Everquest are allowed to do what they want with their server and not have to explain themselves? Wow what a shocker! Freaking dumbass.

Hope you get a vacation for talking shit on the staff.

this is maybe the stupidest argument i've seen time and time again

i have volunteers at my place of work

just because they aren't paid does that mean they don't need to follow the law, or have any kind of logical or moral compass?

they can just be a complete shithead and mess with people?

I'll ask them today see what they think and ill get back to u

[Viscere]

New world is coming out next month - nail in the coffin?

If New world was shit, I'd say p99 stands a chance as usual

but well, New World is really a good MMO. I'd say if a p99er give it a shot, atleast 30-40% could get addicted and skip other games.

[CancerMage]

If New world was shit, I'd say p99 stands a chance as usual

but well, New World is really a good MMO. I'd say if a p99er give it a shot, atleast 30-40% could get addicted and skip other games.

people keep saying that p99 is going to get absorbed by new world. and i keep saying, people on p99 #1 dont have the computer to play new world, and #2 people on p99 don't have the budget for a sub.

The people that play here do not have money, they are literally on welfare. the majority of them.

You have people on the opposite end of the spectrum aswell, but nowhere near as many on welfare. you have professionals that make 6 figures with no kids or wife and spend their money on magic cards and pixels.

[Lightbringer55]

P99 will always have a core population of people that won't leave for fear of losing their "investment."

[Allishia]

P99 will always have a core population of people that won't leave for fear of losing their "investment."

Also some people just enjoy tanking dragons every now and then :p

[Ennewi]

this is maybe the stupidest argument i've seen time and time again

i have volunteers at my place of work

The volunteers at your workplace aren't responsible for constructing the building, nor do they pay to keep the lights on. You aren't even working here. You're loitering in the hallway, complaining about the quality of work, acting like that is a worthwhile contribution.

[Twochain]

P99 will always have a core population of people that won't leave for fear of losing their "investment."

It's not my fault that all MMO's suck.

[mattydef]

Pulling dragons to TOV ent is the age old "classic mechanics vs classic feel". Crawling TOV is definitely more classic and true to EQ from back in the day.

[Fammaden]

Unroot dragons but they leash at the dropoff to their wing. Boss guards will leash back to master if you pull them too far from the boss.

Disable COTH in the zone.

Strip all run speed enhancements upon zoning in.

[Trexller]

Disable COTH in the zone.

definitely this, force them to crawl, and don't be late for the raid. You know that last cleric who always takes 15-30 min to arrive? he knows your chain wont work without him.

Screw that guy.

On P99, with 1 port (and a succor for ONLY SG), you can travel to anywhere, from anywhere, in less than 10 min.

Can't find a druid? man up and offer 200p like the rest of us do.

Can't come up with 1k per day for ports? why are you even in a raid guild?

[Baler]

Pulling dragons to TOV ent is the age old "classic mechanics vs classic feel". Crawling TOV is definitely more classic and true to EQ from back in the day.

What blows my mind is "classic" p99 is pulling to entrance,. classic back in the day )depending on server( was crawling ToV.

totally different experiences.

[Ripqozko]

What blows my mind is "classic" p99 is pulling to entrance,. classic back in the day )depending on server( was crawling ToV.

totally different experiences.

thats not really true, we crawled and pulled to eashen ramp/trips mostly during beginning. that got nerfed when they wouldnt let us camp in middle of zone and stopped the fteing on spawn.

[Croco]

What blows my mind is "classic" p99 is pulling to entrance,. classic back in the day )depending on server( was crawling ToV.

totally different experiences.

What's wild is that a ton of people had wildly different experiences in classic. On my server, bertox & mith marr, we pulled most ToV dragons to aary hall and fought at the ramp from aary to eashen so you could use that corner/ramp to hide healers from ae, this was common place.

[Castle2.0]

Are we in a sandbox with the same rules as 20 years ago or a museum to display one cross-section of 20 years ago?

[Trexller]

on Tarew Marr, we crawled ToV, but when we got there, we still basically zerg'd em down.

[Nocht]

Pretty sure all the EQ devs look back at their creation and regret the negative effect it has had on so many of you.

[Trexller]

uhh i'd be more certain that they just check their bank accounts and go, "lolz suckers, you gave me money just so you can go do the same thing, over and over and over and over"

[radda]

i loved my guilds, the rest can eat shit.
no offense

[unsunghero]

Bag limits

GM enforced roll for ringwar

Rooted Dragons in TOV

GM enforced fear golem welfare race

"The draft" welfare week

p99 has reached the lowest point ever since launch, and it is sad. The one last bastion of competition in everquest is crawling to a stop. If you wanted noncompetitive content, go to the TLPs and have the entire raid zone to yourself.

New world is coming out next month - nail in the coffin?

Competition = quit your job

Cancel all your RL obligations

Sit at home 100% of the day waiting for a phone call which could come at any hour to get online and raid

What a life, but no thanks

[Ravager]

Competition = quit your job

Cancel all your RL obligations

Sit at home 100% of the day waiting for a phone call which could come at any hour to get online and raid

What a life, but no thanks

They'll tell you that their work/life/EQ balance is healthy and that you just have to get better at time management, but if any of them are drawing anything but welfare, it's at the expense of other people doing the actual work. So basically they are a drain on the players of the server and the workforce and their families.

[mycoolrausch]

Vanq just FTEd vindi a couple min after he popped on pop day with KT in window steamrolling two casual guilds forming for it, on a server 6 years into velious with ~500 active players and dropping. Maybe when it's just them on an empty server they'll have finally beat EQ.

[branamil]

I mean the 2 patches a year and glaring pathing bugs aren't helping. As well as the very bizarre interpretation of ""classic""

[Nutsax]

Vanq just FTEd vindi a couple min after he popped on pop day with KT in window steamrolling two casual guilds forming for it, on a server 6 years into velious with ~500 active players and dropping. Maybe when it's just them on an empty server they'll have finally beat EQ.

Well, at least they didn't train you.

[Nocht]

Vanq just FTEd vindi a couple min after he popped on pop day with KT in window steamrolling two casual guilds forming for it, on a server 6 years into velious with ~500 active players and dropping. Maybe when it's just them on an empty server they'll have finally beat EQ.

Gotta gear their 50th alt somehow.

[myrddraal]

Vanq just FTEd vindi a couple min after he popped on pop day with KT in window steamrolling two casual guilds forming for it, on a server 6 years into velious with ~500 active players and dropping. Maybe when it's just them on an empty server they'll have finally beat EQ.

Vinci is a whole like, 1dkp my guy. Serious business.

[condap99]

feel free to post the old AM attendance logs of ToV kills and show us all the 30-person kills you guys were doing. I'm sure there will be many, and it will constitute a high proportion of total kills.

Lol, before riot was the zerg, aftermath was. eat shit beef.

AM had zerg numbers because we were dominant. We were not dominant because of our zerg. Small but important distinction.

And yes, this was before your time.

[condap99]

They'll tell you that their work/life/EQ balance is healthy and that you just have to get better at time management, but if any of them are drawing anything but welfare, it's at the expense of other people doing the actual work. So basically they are a drain on the players of the server and the workforce and their families.

The things people will tell themselves because they can't be competitive.

I'll put my W2 up against anyone on the server.

And the number of people who have more lifetime FTEs is in the single digits.

[dk0]

Vanq just FTEd vindi a couple min after he popped on pop day with KT in window steamrolling two casual guilds forming for it, on a server 6 years into velious with ~500 active players and dropping. Maybe when it's just them on an empty server they'll have finally beat EQ.

6 years of velious and these guilds still haven't learned how to FTE vindi?

[condap99]

Rooted dragons was a failed experiment which created the TOV zerg meta. No longer can you and 30 of your friends pull a top tier dragon and kill it competitively. Gotta crawl with 100 people and play who can kite the most trash at once. Not only is it the most unfun way to kill dragons in everquest it's also unclassic.

This is absolutely correct.

Guild consolidation occurred explicitly because of the zerg meta required to win vulaks due to rooted dragons.

If you had to state why guild consolidation has occurred over the last 2-3 years, rooted dragons is undoubtedly the #1 reason.

[hobart]

The things people will tell themselves because they can't be competitive.

I'll put my W2 up against anyone on the server.

And the number of people who have more lifetime FTEs is in the single digits.

W2? Is your Camry the nicest Camry on the server too? I bet you get your taxes done at H&R Block.

[Trexller]

I'll put my W2 up against anyone on the server.

you know how to use imgur.

put your money where your mouth is.

[tyrant49333]

Vanq just FTEd vindi a couple min after he popped on pop day with KT in window steamrolling two casual guilds forming for it, on a server 6 years into velious with ~500 active players and dropping. Maybe when it's just them on an empty server they'll have finally beat EQ.

This warms my heart

[Toryas]

I'll put my W2 up against anyone on the server.

And the number of people who have more lifetime FTEs is in the single digits.

How insecure do you have to be to make an empty offer to show your tax statement to strangers on an elf simulator?

[Twochain]

on Tarew Marr, we crawled ToV, but when we got there, we still basically zerg'd em down.

Who were you on Tarew Marr? What guild

[condap99]

How insecure do you have to be to make an empty offer to show your tax statement to strangers on an elf simulator?

I think the point is pretty clear.

Every time a guild gets out played, they say the other team lives in their moms basement. Just read through the forums if you need examples. It comes up in almost every thread.

As a simple retort, I stated that I have been both very successful in FTEing dragons and in my career.

I'm sorry if this exchange went over your head.

[Mblake1981]

I think the point is pretty clear.

Every time a guild gets out played, they say the other team lives in their moms basement. Just read through the forums if you need examples. It comes up in almost every thread.

Most of us are 300lb obese Lawyer Doctor millionaires who live in our moms basement and only date 10/10 playboy bunnies.

[Toryas]

I'm sorry if this exchange went over your head.

I’m sorry my point went over your head; you care too much, and very few people care about how many yellow texts you’ve got or how mediocre your salary is. The fact you find the need to brag about it says it all.

[Twochain]

I’m sorry my point went over your head; you care too much, and very few people care about how many yellow texts you’ve got or how mediocre your salary is. The fact you find the need to brag about it says it all.

i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Conda. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol.

[Dugface]

i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Conda. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol.

Who is Ian?

[condap99]

I’m sorry my point went over your head; you care too much, and very few people care about how many yellow texts you’ve got or how mediocre your salary is. The fact you find the need to brag about it says it all.

Fail.

You don't get to claim "I care too much" for pointing out a logical fallacy made by literally 30% of this board.

Nice try though!

[Toryas]

Fail.

You don't get to claim "I care too much" for pointing out a logical fallacy made by literally 30% of this board.

Nice try though!

Of course I can, and I can call you out on the fact you’ve been asked to back up your statement and you’re yet to do it. :rolleyes:

[Bardp1999]

Conda confirmed poor and pizza boy

[Ennewi]

I think the point is pretty clear.

Every time a guild gets out played, they say the other team lives in their moms basement. Just read through the forums if you need examples. It comes up in almost every thread.

As a simple retort, I stated that I have been both very successful in FTEing dragons and in my career.

I'm sorry if this exchange went over your head.

A monk in AG used to go on and on in guild chat about how hot his girlfriend was, at one point even offering to prove it to everyone with pictures. No one solicited this information. No one required proof. Still, he kept talking about it all the same, like he needed us to believe him. If what you have is worth less to you without an audience, it isn't yours.

It's cool how often you're able to get FTEs, considering I have a grand total of one, but unless you donate to this project, the amount of money you make is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what you contribute to this game and its community. Updating the wiki, reporting bugs, etc. The point about playing a game isn't just to compete and/or cooperate. I can get a rare drop anywhere; I join a guild for the atmosphere and the attitude. If more people were this way, would your FTEs matter? Would your guild even exist?

[Whale biologist]

Who is Ian?

local area network, it's a shootygame pasta

[unsunghero]

I think the point is pretty clear.

Every time a guild gets out played, they say the other team lives in their moms basement. Just read through the forums if you need examples. It comes up in almost every thread.

As a simple retort, I stated that I have been both very successful in FTEing dragons and in my career.

I'm sorry if this exchange went over your head.

First off, having money does not = being self made. Inheritance exists, etc

Secondly, there is more to life than money. Assuming you work 40 hours a week (I know YOU personally sail around the world on a yacht getting blown by team of Scandinavian models, but for the sake of argument let’s use someone who claims to be middle class, and not a lying keyboard warrior), that means no bat phones between the hours of 8am -6pm assuming normal commutes

Then there’s the other activities of daily living, such as preparing food. Taking care of one’s health by exercising. Spending time with family, and socializing IRL. How much more do you want to whittle down your bat phone availability for these activities?

If you are making a ton of money by not spending actual time working, gratz, but you’re not a good example of a healthy work gaming life balance. And if you ARE working a lot of hours AND earning tons of DKP, then something else is giving, whether that’s time with friends and family, your health, or both

It’s a simple matter of there only being so much time in a day

[unsunghero]

First off, having money does not = being self made. Inheritance exists, etc

Secondly, there is more to life than money. Assuming you work 40 hours a week (I know YOU personally sail around the world on a yacht getting blown by team of Scandinavian models, but for the sake of argument let’s use someone who claims to be middle class, and not a lying keyboard warrior), that means no bat phones between the hours of 8am -6pm week days assuming normal commutes

Then there’s the other activities of daily living, such as preparing food. Taking care of one’s health by exercising. Spending time with family, and socializing IRL. How much more do you want to whittle down your bat phone availability on the weekends for these activities?

If you are making a ton of money by not spending actual time working, gratz, but you’re not a good example of a healthy work gaming life balance. And if you ARE working a lot of hours AND earning tons of DKP, then something else is giving, whether that’s time with friends and family, your health, or both

It’s a simple matter of there only being so much time in a day

[unsunghero]

Oops quoted because I forgot no edit on RNF

[Bardp1999]

T-T-T-T-RIPLE POST TRIPLE FAT TRIPLE MAD TRIPLE SAD TRIPLE BAD

[Ravager]

Triple patty, triple cheese, triple stuffed, triple crust.

[lullzy]

penis

[Nutsax]

From August 10th in this thread.


The GMs hate dealing with petitions, and I get that, but looking at these numbers its really isnt some inordinate amount of times that we have to rely on them to settle something and the constant lies and hyperbole listed by the quoted above and just straight misinformation.

From today.
There are way more petitions now than their ever has been.

This person tells so many lies he can't keep track of them.

[dk0]

Did you really just bump a thread from a week ago, with a copy of your post from another thread, with a quote completely removed of context, to ultimately repeat the same rhetoric we've all heard a thousand times?

Good luck with whatever you're dealing with in life that led you to think this is a reasonable course of action.

[tyrant49333]

From August 10th in this thread.



From today.


This person tells so many lies he can't keep track of them.

Must be a slow day at whatever gas station you work at

[Ennewi]

Good luck with whatever you're dealing with in life that led you to think this is a reasonable course of action.

Yes, of all things server-related, this is unreasonable and should be the cause of self-reflection...

[Andrei Chikatilo]

From outside perspective?

Bolshevism and police state has brought you ruin.



Best wishes,

[Nutsax]

Must be a slow day at whatever gas station you work at

I remember you when you wanted to train people at King, and said you don't play by the rules. Looks like you are in the right guild.

[tyrant49333]

I remember you when you wanted to train people at King, and said you don't play by the rules. Looks like you are in the right guild.

I'll take things that never happened from I guy I never heard of for 500, Alex

[Croco]

I'll take things that never happened from I guy I never heard of for 500, Alex

What is memory loss due to excessive alcohol consumption.

[strongNpretty]

What is memory loss due to excessive alcohol consumption.

What is Prevagen.

[sydbarrett25]

What is memory loss due to excessive alcohol consumption.

Cerebellar and mammillary body atrophy.

[Viscere]

Luclin / PoP would help bring p99 back to life

[Mblake1981]

Luclin / PoP would help bring p99 back to life

rooted dragons will fix raiding..

whatever. Force old world models only and maybe we can talk but those expansions suffer the same issues that drove some of us away. Rog and Nil don't have a studio at their disposal to cut it off at Velious and continue from there which would be ideal.

Moon cats and horse mounts should absolutely be removed.

[myrddraal]

Moon cats were the best part of luclin.

[Naethyn]

Classic Luclin fixing broken quests on a timeline would be awesome. Final patch add khati sha.

[starkind]

Moon cats were the best part of luclin.

[RevSaber]

Imagine u nerds having to share ssra and fighting over lucid shards?! Make it so!

[Mblake1981]

Moon cats were the best part of luclin.

Shower with battery acid.

[Tentarro]

Pop started declining when I stopped posting, coincidence?

Also galach replying on page 2 of this thread kind of proves the OP's point, otherwise it would be beneath server staff to even look in rnf

[Tethler]

noone can afford TLP, let alone a new MMORPG. might take a 10% hit of people who can ask their moms for sub money.

Subscription isn't the reason a lot of people don't want to go to TLPs, lol

[Horza]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=182966&type=sigpic&dateline=1615519235

[Mblake1981]

Subscription isn't the reason a lot of people don't want to go to TLPs, lol

Its modern EQ. Rip my eyelids off with needle-nose pliers first.