p99 is slowly dying

[Viscere]

End of an era

[RevSaber]

P99 died when yall got the dragons rooted. Prob before that

[Endorra]

This is news.

[Baler]

P99 is the largest private everquest server, It's not going anywhere.

What has not changed is bitter jaded veterans are leaving. It seems to be a cycle here.

New players come in all the time.

[roks1]

End of an era

10 years ago peak population was ~300 =)

[Baler]

10 years ago peak population was ~300 =)

This makes me think of when I first tried p99 in 2010. spell sets and over powered out of era mechanics. Alchemy exploit to dupe plat, lol. It has come a long way since then.

[Kohedron]

who knew people who have played the same computer game for over 20 years would eventually get burned out. I cannot fathom how this is possible.

[Izmael]

If forum account creation rate is any indication (I would say it's a strong one), then the answer is: no, P99 is not dying.

I wrote a little something to extract account creation dates from the user profiles on the P99 forums. I took care to spread the querying over many days as to not to add any noticeable load to the server.



Data starts on October 13, 2009 and ends on July 12, 2021 (July 13 had incomplete data so I discarded it). The data represents daily number of forum account creations.

Total profiles queried: 231878
Successfully extracted join date from: 159478
I suppose the difference comes from deleted (spammer) accounts and whatnot. Also maybe people who made their profile/join date private or something.





Here are the results:

Smaller version:

https://i.imgur.com/W3XunqA.png


Large version:

https://i.imgur.com/TwY9m0z.png

[starkind]

will consist of 1 server with 124 casual neckbeards, onlhy 30 of who'm log in at any given time and buttslap eachother.

there will be a once a year opportunity to kill the dragons in vp and tov

tradeskill gear will become the norm

[starkind]

will consist of 1 server with 124 casual neckbeards, onlhy 30 of who'm log in at any given time and buttslap eachother.

there will be a once a year opportunity to kill the dragons in vp and tov

tradeskill gear will become the norm

and there will be tradeskill kingpins who vehemently chastise and beat up anyone who doesn't role play

[k9quaint]

If forum account creation rate is any indication (I would say it's a strong one), then the answer is: no, P99 is not dying.

I wrote a little something to extract account creation dates from the user profiles on the P99 forums. I took care to spread the querying over many days as to not to add any noticeable load to the server.



Data starts on October 13, 2009 and ends on July 12, 2021 (July 13 had incomplete data so I discarded it). The data represents daily number of forum account creations.

Total profiles queried: 231878
Successfully extracted join date from: 159478
I suppose the difference comes from deleted (spammer) accounts and whatnot. Also maybe people who made their profile/join date private or something.





Here are the results:

Smaller version:

https://i.imgur.com/W3XunqA.png


Large version:

https://i.imgur.com/TwY9m0z.png


Nice data set! :)
Kudos to you sir!

[Ella`Ella]

End of an era

Forgot option: Server died years ago

[Nirgon]

End of an era

You didn't get a 2 week suspension for this like I did.

They don't love you the same.

[strongNpretty]

Shoulda paced yourselves instead of no life'n it for years. Still love the fuck outta this game, still have a ridiculous amount of content to see and do!

[Nirgon]

And yet, with still having so much yet to do.... you still feel entitled to the highest value end game items

I guess you have a bizarre idea of progression and what you're entitled to

[Jibartik]

which one of those spikes is the fappening?

[Nirgon]

What is on this server is worth more than the hours of coding, more than the hours of refinement and past players passing through and helping make things classic even I didn't ever see or remember. There is something sacred to classic Norrath. Days of meaningful progresses and deaths, actual risk and reward in adventuring, pixels that did more than just "+gooderer to primary stat", and delayed yet immense gratification.

There are people who hate this. They want anything like this gone, they will see your efforts undone and your cities burn. Because it was too hard for them to try, and they did not get their way.

https://i.imgur.com/WMC8fn7.png

Many of the behaviors exhibited here: corruption, cuckery, bribery, lies and all other facets of human nature are on display for you here but also in the world outside the game. They are real and these kinds of people are here. Do not let them win. Do not give in because it will be "easier". Stand your ground.

[fortior]

i will stand my ground SIR

[Nirgon]

God bless RecondoJoe, God Bless America

[Baler]

You didn't get a 2 week suspension for this like I did.

They don't love you the same.

all's fair in love and war

[roks1]

This makes me think of when I first tried p99 in 2010. spell sets and over powered out of era mechanics. Alchemy exploit to dupe plat, lol. It has come a long way since then.

Dont forget the first few months of launch when nilbog thought he would host homegrown p99. based on our beta server i can see why, but man server launch was crazy compared to the like 20 max people on beta just before launch haha.

[Grumph]

What is on this server is worth more than the hours of coding, more than the hours of refinement and past players passing through and helping make things classic even I didn't ever see or remember. There is something sacred to classic Norrath. Days of meaningful progresses and deaths, actual risk and reward in adventuring, pixels that did more than just "+gooderer to primary stat", and delayed yet immense gratification.

There are people who hate this. They want anything like this gone, they will see your efforts undone and your cities burn. Because it was too hard for them to try, and they did not get their way.

https://i.imgur.com/WMC8fn7.png

Many of the behaviors exhibited here: corruption, cuckery, bribery, lies and all other facets of human nature are on display for you here but also in the world outside the game. They are real and these kinds of people are here. Do not let them win. Do not give in because it will be "easier". Stand your ground.


Well said!

[Ennewi]

Chaos?

[U]RL="https://youtu.be/C5Jkgvw-Z6E"]https://youtu.be/C5Jkgvw-Z6E[/URL]

[Ennewi]

Irony.

[Nirgon]

The sign of a failed people are the "requirement" for so many laws.

Good and sportsmanlike individuals would not require so many, or staff involvement (or secret involvement from Mr. "Hands Off").

What they don't realize is the whole stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime approach with who is removed or penalized and who is rewarded.

Some of things becoming more transparent would make the real problems very obvious.

[Baler]

The sign of a failed people are the "requirement" for so many laws.

The reason seat belts are a law is because there are people who are too stupid to wear them and die in car crashes flying through the windshield.

There are so many rules to protect stupid people that the survival rate for these people has sky rocketed. They would have been Darwin'ed years ago but are kept safe and mess everything up for the rest of us.

[Nutsax]

The sign of a failed people are the "requirement" for so many laws.

Good and sportsmanlike individuals would not require so many, or staff involvement (or secret involvement from Mr. "Hands Off").

What they don't realize is the whole stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime approach with who is removed or penalized and who is rewarded.

Some of things becoming more transparent would make the real problems very obvious.

The line of Cain started with Cuneiform laws and have been added to the list for 4000 years, anyone who wears a black robe is a part of the cabal.

[Viscere]

You didn't get a 2 week suspension for this like I did.

They don't love you the same.

This is just a RnF thread inquiring about the state of the elf realm

You started a racist guild on the elf realm and the elf gods punished you for it.

[Danth]

Population is pretty good overall, but being split between two servers means each individual world feels a little bit "thin." It'll be interesting to see what happens if they eventually merge the servers back together, how many Green players stick with their characters versus retiring them in favor of the next progression round. The lower population has been most noticeable in the dearth of new guild creation, especially a distinct lack of new leveling guilds/newbie guilds on Blue of late.

With respect to an above poster, sure we launched with low populations, not much over 100 at first (I ought to know, I was there), but it grew soon enough (and kept on growing) and the old world with ~300 people is a lot different than a Velious world with 300 people. More generally, I'm amazed P99 maintained a stable and large population for as long as it has. It could close up tomorrow and I'd call it a great run. It won't--P99 should be around for a good while yet, even if in a state of gradual decline--so it has to be regarded as a tremendous success. I've played P99 FAR longer than I played original EQ at this point, and like it better.

Danth

[myrddraal]

who knew people who have played the same computer game for over 20 years would eventually get burned out. I cannot fathom how this is possible.

Peoples wives and husbands are probably getting sick of them socking 20 year old mobs for up to 16 hours on several days.

[Bardp1999]

"Nirgon the Immersed"

[strongNpretty]

And yet, with still having so much yet to do.... you still feel entitled to the highest value end game items

I guess you have a bizarre idea of progression and what you're entitled to

Why are you grossing up my forums again? Get banned again please.

[Ripqozko]

Why are you grossing up my forums again? Get banned again please.

Sorry you failed on all 3 servers, hope that helps.

[Jibartik]

p99 needs a mischife style random loot server, it really breathes life into this game.

I have had the type of fun on mischife that Ive had on my first year or 2 of p99, leveling in areas I always wanted to but never did because the loot sux etc

it adds this cool mystery to the game that has been missing, like what kind of cool stuff might we see tonight? who knows!

Ive become too mechanical on p99, I play the game like a year long mouse and keyboard macro recording would :p

[strongNpretty]

Sorry you failed on all 3 servers, hope that helps.

HAhaha i love that some of you have reached the point of making fun of folks for not playing ENOUGH now..

But that fuckin warder loot tho bruh!!! Good thing you got it!

[Nirgon]

Why are you grossing up my forums again? Get banned again please.

Wait till they realize you whackos arent just doing it to everquest!

https://i.imgur.com/DYvdMQm.png

[Nirgon]

This is just a RnF thread inquiring about the state of the elf realm

You started a racist guild on the elf realm and the elf gods punished you for it.

Ya, not at all. I got 2 weeker for "being unhappy" and "negative". Its coo tho.


https://i.imgur.com/w2puAyr.png

[Ripqozko]

HAhaha i love that some of you have reached the point of making fun of folks for not playing ENOUGH now..

But that fuckin warder loot tho bruh!!! Good thing you got it!

Sorry you don't got, hope that helps.

[Hyjalx]

If we didn't root the dragons, more would still be interested in playing. This killed the small guild community. Once it was made clear you needed 100 raiders online at 3am to kill any of the content, that was it.

The only people interested in still playing here are usually for 2 reasons "I haven't seen end game yet" or they are still in 1 of the top 2 guilds battling for DKP

Long gone are the aspirations of smaller guilds one day doing end-game content as a group of friends... immersion is a big deal. These type of mechanic changes are the type of things that happen when you listen to everyone on a forum board

[Ripqozko]

If we didn't root the dragons, more would still be interested in playing. This killed the small guild community. Once it was made clear you needed 100 raiders online at 3am to kill any of the content, that was it.

The only people interested in still playing here are usually for 2 reasons "I haven't seen end game yet" or they are still in 1 of the top 2 guilds battling for DKP

Long gone are the aspirations of smaller guilds one day doing end-game content as a group of friends... immersion is a big deal. These type of mechanic changes are the type of things that happen when you listen to everyone on a forum board

Killing lockouts hurt just as much as was pre rooted. You could keep rooted if you gave 2-3 hour lockouts for small guilds.

[Horza]

Wait till they realize you whackos arent just doing it to everquest!

https://i.imgur.com/DYvdMQm.png

Trump lost bro

[Grumph]

Trump lost bro

Self respect is a lesson that transcends politics, p1999, or even gaming itself as a pass time.

He hired everyone who hated him, his voters, and his agenda.

It was actually over even before he kicked Flynn to the curb.

Live and learn!

15257

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/Ck9R2ZJ.jpg

[Pulgasari]

Wait till they realize you whackos arent just doing it to everquest!

https://i.imgur.com/DYvdMQm.png

https://i.imgur.com/QWvjLjj.jpg

not classic, Nirgon :p

[Baler]

Nirgon is such a doomer boomer. :rolleyes:

topkek

[myrddraal]

If we didn't root the dragons, more would still be interested in playing. This killed the small guild community. Once it was made clear you needed 100 raiders online at 3am to kill any of the content, that was it.

The only people interested in still playing here are usually for 2 reasons "I haven't seen end game yet" or they are still in 1 of the top 2 guilds battling for DKP

Long gone are the aspirations of smaller guilds one day doing end-game content as a group of friends... immersion is a big deal. These type of mechanic changes are the type of things that happen when you listen to everyone on a forum board

I mean you dont need 100+ to kill dragons. If you are a guild that is happy killing 3 day, 5 day and a handful of 7 days you can still do lower number kills. Will inner ring be infinitely harder and far less likely? Sure. But you can still do all of VP, triplets, doubles, dozekar, any of the 3 day spawns, klandi, zlandi, dain, KT. Hell Dagarn is super easy you could probabyl squeek him in too. The only dragons you really would have too much trouble on are like, LTK, aary, kreiz, lady m, koi and vulak. All the other content can absolutely be done with like 50 people all working for their pixels.

[Jibartik]

I cant wait to say i told you so when we all posting from ham raidios.

[Nocht]

qaZmZakFQek

[Jibartik]

everything has cilantro on it

[Baler]

everything has cilantro on it

https://i.imgur.com/nVeMYwY.gif

[JayDee]

Everything is slowly dying, or is that a hack line already

I can say personally that a lot of my friend lists on both blue and green have dried up

For someone who was at one point very much against the prospects of Luclin and beyond, I sort of welcome it at this point.

[Viscere]

For someone who was at one point very much against the prospects of Luclin and beyond, I sort of welcome it at this point.

Yup

Only Luclin/PoP could revigorate p99 as a whole

[starkind]

pretty sure nirgon gets to go to the afterlife one day if he tries hard enough were there are no more wackos and we get to revel in hell if we are wacked enough

try harder :p

unless nirgon is a wacko??! ??? :confused:

and that is why they are still in this *verse post'n?

hmmm

[Nirgon]

I appreciate the whackos for showing me the right way, by setting the wrong example. I too have faced almost impossible challenges in my travels, but to become what I see frothing at the calm normie way of life, is something that would have never happened to me. Some of you fell too far and lacked an internal safety net for being decent members of a functional society. You are harbingers of ruin, lust and sloth.

[ScottBerta]

2012 could get mq epic and wear lvl 1, that was fun.

[pink grapefruit]

They should just merge blue into the red server.

And make green pvp.

[strongNpretty]

I appreciate the whackos for showing me the right way, by setting the wrong example. I too have faced almost impossible challenges in my travels, but to become what I see frothing at the calm normie way of life, is something that would have never happened to me. Some of you fell too far and lacked an internal safety net for being decent members of a functional society. You are harbingers of ruin, lust and sloth.

You've easily reached your post count for the day. Log the fuck off. Eat something. And if you have any energy left, try and pick up something that you consider heavy, and do it a few times.

[Nirgon]

#1 - ill tell ya when im done
#2 - no
#3 - i had a nice home grilled cheese burger
#4 - i have a lot more than you and do a bit of lifting

You're one of the whackos, big time.

[starkind]

They should just merge blue into the red server.

And make green pvp.

:p

[Skarne]

It’s sad the amount of folks comparing the size of their respective shit sandwich when after all, you’re both still eating shit.

[Ennewi]

https://youtu.be/Vy5vkTqpk8M

[HalflingSpergand]

This thread is poorly thought out and executed

[Gatordash]

This thread is poorly thought out and executed

Indeed. OP please see the all the other well thought out and executed threads in Rants and Flames and please raise your standard.

[starkind]

It’s sad the amount of folks comparing the size of their respective shit sandwich when after all, you’re both still eating shit.

[strongNpretty]

#1 - ill tell ya when im done
#2 - no
#3 - i had a nice home grilled cheese burger
#4 - i have a lot more than you and do a bit of lifting

You're one of the whackos, big time.

So weak. So mad. So delusional.

[Nirgon]

So weak. So mad. So delusional.

https://i.imgur.com/ttjiIyG.png

:D

[Dolalin]

Most of us are either in or approaching our 40's, with family responsibilities. Those who don't have family responsibilities at this age most likely have something wrong with them, like drug addiction or incels or whatever.

The hardcore raiding scene is probably going to go down the shitter for a decade or two until our kids are grown up and we start having more free time again, at which point P99 will still be there (most likely).

So I wouldn't worry just yet.

[Baler]

Nostalgia is a powerful drug.

[Twochain]

Population is pretty good overall, but being split between two servers means each individual world feels a little bit "thin." It'll be interesting to see what happens if they eventually merge the servers back together, how many Green players stick with their characters versus retiring them in favor of the next progression round. The lower population has been most noticeable in the dearth of new guild creation, especially a distinct lack of new leveling guilds/newbie guilds on Blue of late.

With respect to an above poster, sure we launched with low populations, not much over 100 at first (I ought to know, I was there), but it grew soon enough (and kept on growing) and the old world with ~300 people is a lot different than a Velious world with 300 people. More generally, I'm amazed P99 maintained a stable and large population for as long as it has. It could close up tomorrow and I'd call it a great run. It won't--P99 should be around for a good while yet, even if in a state of gradual decline--so it has to be regarded as a tremendous success. I've played P99 FAR longer than I played original EQ at this point, and like it better.

Danth

Gotta disagree with the newbie guild part. <Ex Astra> went from a guild i've never heard of to ALWAYS having more than 20+ people on /who all lists at any part of the night .... in the span of like 3 weeks! lmao

[Nirgon]

Most of us are either in or approaching our 40's, with family responsibilities. Those who don't have family responsibilities at this age most likely have something wrong with them, like drug addiction or incels or whatever.

The hardcore raiding scene is probably going to go down the shitter for a decade or two until our kids are grown up and we start having more free time again, at which point P99 will still be there (most likely).

So I wouldn't worry just yet.


See? Good post

[myrddraal]

Gotta disagree with the newbie guild part. <Ex Astra> went from a guild i've never heard of to ALWAYS having more than 20+ people on /who all lists at any part of the night .... in the span of like 3 weeks! lmao

Theyre fun folks to hang out with.

[-Catherin-]

Voted #4

[Baler]

P99 is doing the best is ever has been,

Velious released on Green!

[Renogon]

Most of us are either in or approaching our 40's, with family responsibilities. Those who don't have family responsibilities at this age most likely have something wrong with them, like drug addiction or incels or whatever.

The hardcore raiding scene is probably going to go down the shitter for a decade or two until our kids are grown up and we start having more free time again, at which point P99 will still be there (most likely).

So I wouldn't worry just yet.

Where you're going wrong is you're not putting you kids in dog cages. Just get the big ones so they have room for one of those gerbil water things and some food.

[Baler]

Where you're going wrong is you're not putting you kids in dog cages. Just get the big ones so they have room for one of those gerbil water things and some food.

I hope staff see this because it's inappropriate.

(delete my post.)

[Tunabros]

p99 died with Aftermath

close thread

[Bones]

Shoulda paced yourselves instead of no life'n it for years. Still love the fuck outta this game, still have a ridiculous amount of content to see and do!

i have been saying that since 2009

[Bones]

Dont forget the first few months of launch when nilbog thought he would host homegrown p99. based on our beta server i can see why, but man server launch was crazy compared to the like 20 max people on beta just before launch haha.

ay yes remember those good ole days, 50 people peak pop during all of October and most of November 2009, farming a dozen manastones and handing them all out to buddies who quit playing months later, not knowing the server would eventually blow up and manastones becoming worth hundreds of thousands of plat per

shit still haunts me, like missing out on netflix stonks when that shit was a dollar a share or bitcoin when they were 17 cents per on the dark web

[imperiouskitten]

where the game used to select for high-functioning people with expensive hardware and income, it now does the opposite. :(

[viktorrc1]

Without having Luclin and PoP in the release schedule the game is finished for many people.

[Nirgon]

Have fun making Luclin and POP for all these clowns. They will flake off if you don't. Maybe that would be the best time to launch a server for actual classic EQ enthusiasts.

[Synphul]

where the game used to select for high-functioning people with expensive hardware and income, it now does the opposite. :(

At least we've all got each other!

[Nirgon]

They're gonna make you put Kerrans in, be gross for a few weeks and write some gross stories then flake off.

[Graahle]

PoP is good.

[Jibartik]

Like the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls, when the last pope spot is filled, when p99 ends so will mankind.

https://i.imgur.com/lVX9Hf9.png

[Fuedjr]

i like have said in every post i have had so far. I have been gone for 20 years and been complaing no other game compares. Its as Close to D and D as we are gettting including WoW. Give me a game that plays like old school roleplaying on a pc and am there... So compare thie to MTG just keep basics but make better and they will come

[Izmael]

PoP is good.

PoP would be good if it didn't obliterate classic / Kunark / Velious out of relevance.

[Graahle]

PoP would be good if it didn't obliterate classic / Kunark / Velious out of relevance.

That’s the point. How many times can you kill these shit no-mechanic encounters (or not if you aren’t a raider) and still claim to be having fun?

Luclin and PoP quest and raid content is primo.

[Graahle]

https://youtu.be/JzNENPlPf1g

Replace OSRS with P99 and this video is entirely accurate to so many of y’all lol

[Kohedron]

POP is basically like michael bay transformers movies

it's not that they're shitty, it's that it took the place of something that should have been much different

(they're both shitty)

[Nocht]

They only thing I didnt like about Luclin and PoP was the change in art style. All the content and gameplay changes were good for the game imo.

[Bones]

They only thing I didnt like about Luclin and PoP was the change in art style. All the content and gameplay changes were good for the game imo.

I agree.. except there was other stuff besides art work that ruined the game for a lot of classic EQ enthusiast they could be done without. The raid content of PoP was top notch.

I still hold out hope that they will one day release a custom content server, or add it to blue and only take the best stuff from future expansions and leave out the stuff that killed the classic EQ feel (like PoK books, bazaar, rideable horses, luclin graphics, etc).

[strongNpretty]

i have been saying that since 2009

[CancerMage]

It's kind of easy to tell why. People play p99 are here cause it's not easy mode. Now the server is leaning more and more to easy mode. But it can't compete with ezmode tlps. The large playerbase who enjoyed the classic feel are leaving with the implementation of list camps and other such things on the server. Server is trying to cater towards people that never had any staying power and will never be happy without instanced zones.

[Ooloo]

I don't think the /list system is necessarily ezmode at all. When it requires sometimes three full days to get the item, that's hardly easy. Sure there are ways around it like account sharing, but on the whole I think it's a good system that prevents guild monopolization of a highly sought item while still requiring serious dedication. Instancing on the other hand definitely is ezmode and I highly doubt it will ever be implemented here.

[RevSaber]

PoP would be good if it didn't obliterate classic / Kunark / Velious out of relevance.

Wahhhh... My CoF is irrelevant...

[Graahle]

CoF and other Velious/older shit definitely still relevant even going into GoD soon on Aradune. I can promise you my new Berserker twink I will be rolling will have a CoF, White Dragon Helm, Velium Encrusted Gauntlets, Reaver after level 20 etc.

Feels good having loot and killing stuff. Enjoy your 80 hour lists though lol

[RevSaber]

CoF and other Velious/older shit definitely still relevant even going into GoD soon on Aradune. I can promise you my new Berserker twink I will be rolling will have a CoF, White Dragon Helm, Velium Encrusted Gauntlets, Reaver after level 20 etc.

Feels good having loot and killing stuff. Enjoy your 80 hour lists though lol

See - this guy gets it

[imsorryGMs]

Luclin please so riot can finally trivialize tov and vanq can move on to moon aliens and ssra danger noodles

[Lightbringer55]

I still hold out hope that they will one day release a custom content server, or add it to blue and only take the best stuff from future expansions and leave out the stuff that killed the classic EQ feel (like PoK books, bazaar, rideable horses, luclin graphics, etc).
If the PoK books ruined the classic feel, then the p99 staff should immediately reset bind points for the server since almost everyone has a caster bound at the fire pots. And if the bazaar ruined the experience, then wiki shouldn't show trending prices of item and the p99 discord auction channel and bot should be eliminated. People claim things like this 'ruined' classic yet they just found other ways to emulate these additions.

[Jibartik]

in like 8 years we're going to be like posting this:

I am alive.




Is anyone else?

[Hrothgar]

Play live. It has all the mobs of p99, plus another 20 years of content you can literally spend 20 years going through.

[Jibartik]

Do you like diamonds and gold? May I interest you in this gigantic pile of shit to dig through??

[Hrothgar]

if it means you find diamonds and gold in there, i guess it depends on how hard you're willing to work for yourself?

[Jibartik]

im jk im literally doing what you suggest, trying luclin for first time maybe PoP

[Ooloo]

If the PoK books ruined the classic feel, then the p99 staff should immediately reset bind points for the server since almost everyone has a caster bound at the fire pots. And if the bazaar ruined the experience, then wiki shouldn't show trending prices of item and the p99 discord auction channel and bot should be eliminated. People claim things like this 'ruined' classic yet they just found other ways to emulate these additions.

Nah those examples aren't really comparable. You could only bind at pots for a few days, plenty of people don't have a char bound there and never will now. And the wiki showing trending prices is hardly the same thing as being able to sell things and receive the plat for them as a literal AFK vendor. You still have to actually interact with another human in real time here.

[Bhairava]

Play live. It has all the mobs of p99, plus another 20 years of content you can literally spend 20 years going through.

this unironically. i've been playing live for like 4 months now and having a blast

went and got my dark elf mask for my rogue, took about an hour. working on my guise of the coercer now

[JayDee]

Mcquaid was still with SOE during the development of Luclin. Anything past that is Disney Lucasfilm

[Geomance22]

honestly the red server was the best p99 experience, the reason everyone is slowly moving on is because blue servers are pointless

[scifo76]

Everybody calm down.

[Ennewi]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Calm_Animal

[starkind]

Maybe the world is just slowly dying and p99 is just like one of those parasites that lives in the fatty tissue in a cyst near the gut and its just losing its surrounding fats and blood supplies.

[Toxigen]

Everybody calm down.

Dkk9gvTmCXY

[Worry]

honestly the red server was the best p99 experience, the reason everyone is slowly moving on is because blue servers are pointless what are you saying? try red?

[Tunabros]

logs on

see huge line for item

day ruined

[branamil]

Maybe if there were more than 2 patches per year it could grow again. Or they fix glaring unplayable bugs 10 years into the project

[Viscere]

logs on

see huge line for item

day ruined

while im quietly sitting on 7 pair of beads on blue

hehehe

[A Knight]

That sucks. I cant live without classic EQ. It would be a bummer if I would have to wait another 20 years, for another dimension to have it.

[adruidarkly]

Meh the best parts of EQ are 6-18 man stuff anyway.

Everything else was alright in its era, but its taken too far here.

[Bach]

It's called summer holidays, same effect on live.

[tankh]

Same old people casting doubt on p99, bitter and twisted people who never learned to share.

[cd288]

Same old people casting doubt on p99, bitter and twisted people who never learned to share.

Yeah it's always funny when these threads pop up every several months. It's always essentially "P99 is dying because I can't play the game specifically the way I want to and I don't want to share with others"

[Danth]

Yeah it's always funny when these threads pop up every several months. It's always essentially "P99 is dying because I can't play the game specifically the way I want to and I don't want to share with others"

That or "I quit the game because I burnt out so it's dying now or needs to be destroyed so nobody else can enjoy it anymore either."

Danth

[Synphul]

I just leveled a couple alts up to the low 50's on blue and good times were had along the way with a few fresh faces and some old ones. I think most of the people that say it's dying are the players that want to just sit in a zone with their LFG tags up and expect to get a group or lean more towards being anti-social. Duo's and trios can go lots of places and full groups can be had pretty easily in the hot zones.

P99 and EQ in general rewards those that make shit happen. Start that group/duo/trio, talk to random people, and offer to help others before you assume they should want to help you.

[RevSaber]

Its an analogy for American ideas / meritocracy dying. People too lazy just line up for welfare pixels. Enable pvp in America, i mean antonica.

[azxten]

Yeah it's always funny when these threads pop up every several months. It's always essentially "P99 is dying because I can't play the game specifically the way I want to and I don't want to share with others"

P99 is still using broken channeling rates which make the game stupidly easy in all ways. Core gameplay function still broken. I'll return if this is ever addressed and the devs start actually communicating about bugs by providing a bug tracker like any other modern day code base. Also this extends beyond channeling to INT/WIS mana caps and many other things which are dramatically "not classic" here.

It's pretty simple. P99 is trivialized EQ in all ways. From level 1 to highest end raid targets everything is about 10x easier than it would have been on live. The added trivialization like lists, increased spawn rates, rooted raids, on and on, it's just a joke now.

P99 is no longer attempting to recreate classic. It's a unique "Everquest classic based experience" or whatever. I mean, they even nerfed quest turn ins so you can't get to level 8 from bone chips but recharging items on vendors endlessly to trivialize raiding is just fine. Nothing makes sense here anymore and it got WAY WORSE upon green launch. They basically had promised a super classic green launch and within a few days we had increased spawn rates, an instanced server, nerfed quests, etc.

It's pretty fucking hilarious to hear anyone try to talk past these issues. P99 isn't classic EQ anymore and it isn't trying to be.

[Baler]

azxten is the guy who made two failed threads about how enchanter is not classic.
Meanwhile vetted sources of accuracy have proved him wrong.

Then he admitted he was jaded they nerfed bard AE to 25 limit and that's why he conquests anti-enchanter propaganda.

Just the straight facts ^^^

[azxten]

azxten is the guy who made two failed threads about how enchanter is not classic.
Meanwhile vetted sources of accuracy have proved him wrong.

Then he admitted he was jaded they nerfed bard AE to 25 limit and that's why he conquests anti-enchanter propaganda.

Just the straight facts ^^^

Except for the fact that the following was proven...

1. Channeling is extremely broken.

2. Enchanters shouldn't be able to re-mez a mob and get a mem wipe chance, it should have to break mez first and be recast.

3. Enchanter pet HP values are too high.

4. All pets were extremely broken in classic and Enchanters 10x more so meaning all easily used pets up until near Kunark area shouldn't exist. They should train groups, attack group members, warp through the zone, etc.

5. Several other questionable things that just don't have substantial evidence or data to correct particularly around magic resistance of planar/raid level mobs which made Enchanters unable to CC easily let alone charm mobs.

Many of the things proven and discussed had already been reported in the past with significant evidence but the reports get no response. I merely aggregated them to show how ridiculous and obvious it was that Enchanter was being treated as special or protected for some reason.

The Bard mention was just an example to raise the question of why the staff makes non-classic nerfs to some classes but not others like Enchanter. Pet attack delay from fine steel. Necro lifetap, AE kiting. These things were mentioned. Simply making the argument that Enchanter is clearly OP and trivializes content in all aspects of the game similar to those classes which wasn't the case in live. For "some reason" though Enchanter has been left alone in this regard. Why do some classes have classic abilities nerfed because it's "too OP" but Enchanter shouldn't be considered for similar nerfs?

The better Bard example to counter Enchanter cry babies was that Bards actually didn't get level capped charm and were able to charm CT in Fear. Yet for "some reason" this ability won't be granted to Bards and Enchanters will keep their non-classic ability to charm raid mobs which was proven to not be possible in era. A Bard, Necro, pet with daggers, unresistable life tap, quest exp, on and on definitely needs a nerf but Enchanter should carry everyone at all levels on P99 from the stupid level treadmills with charmed back stabbing pets we saw at green launch all the way up to easy CC and channeling through being hit 20 times by raid mobs.

Enchanter players who want to continue playing "EQ classic experience custom 2021" cry whenever the overwhelming evidence is brought up that Enchanter is overpowered on P99 both due to bugs which are proven like channeling and overpowered abilities they are allowed to keep that others classes are not. In short, no matter how you look at it, Enchanter should be nerfed to make P99 more enjoyable and challenging.

However, what really bugged me was the channeling issue and the easily obtained data including decompile of classic era client that showed it was severely broken on P99 but the staff wouldn't comment on it. This brought this issue of P99's trivial and boring nature to the forefront when I realized EVERY class is overpowered right now because of this. The entire game is in fact broken from a classic perspective given that one of the most basic mechanics, channeling, has an overwhelming success rate that is nothing like live. From level 1-60 killing snakes or ST mobs channeling trivializes the game and makes it nothing like classic and anyone who is honest with themselves knows this is true. The Enchanter cry babies can't even let go of the fact that my focus is on channeling now and not Enchanter since I realized that is the root cause of all trivialization on P99 at the moment.

People who want a broken non-classic experience and defend overlooking these bugs often claim I'm trying to get some kind of advantage or I'm mad about some other class I want to play being nerfed. It's rather silly considering I'm asking for the game to be made more difficult for everyone and the existing nerfs to classes like Bard to remain in place. It's fine though, enjoy your care bear server with almost guaranteed channeling from level 1. I believe it was 50-70% success rate channeling on P99 at level 1 but classic data showed you should be around level 40-45 to have that level of success. Fitting with what I always said, Enchanter on P99 plays like a top geared top level Velious era Enchanter from level 1 in classic era. People use evidence from Velious era to try to speak to how Enchanter worked in classic or Kunark. Most of the "custom classic" players here who defend this situation are incapable of nuance like evolving power level of classes over time through expansions or simple game design mechanics like the leveling curve that would have never been allowed by Verant/Sony.

We got quest exp nerfs, higher spawn rates, instanced server on green launch and not fixes for basic mechanics like channeling rate. It's clear the staff for whatever reason WANTS everyone to group up at max level and poop sock raid mobs. They not only don't fix obvious classic bugs that would slow down all progression and avoid this stacking up at max level and alt collecting pre-Kunark but they actually introduce non-classic changes to make leveling even easier and faster. Makes zero sense and just isn't the game I want to play. EQ raiding up until Velious was always kind of a joke for the losers who had no life and reached max level before a new expansion could be released. I play EQ for the core game mechanics and social aspects. Both of these have been killed by the devs who introduce things like lists and are extremely harsh about any kind of camp competition, training, etc which turns P99 into a boring formulaic easy grind to raid level where you then sit AFK waiting for 1 person to win the raid mob pull and then you easily kill the mob and go to bed.

I do find it funny though that I savaged Enchanter so hard that people still pop up on forum whenever I post to cry about it and say none of it was true. You're lucky I got so demoralized by channeling rates and lack of staff response that I decided not to make a larger compilation of all the evidence and issues that I was seeing in the news groups and similar.

[Baler]

azxten is a liar

[Dolalin]

He's right about the Channeling thing, but it mostly affects low levels (sub 30) and the staff defo haven't ignored it, it just needs coder time, which is always in short supply.

[Baler]

He's right about the Channeling thing, but it mostly affects low levels (sub 30) and the staff defo haven't ignored it, it just needs coder time, which is always in short supply.

Prove it. Period.

[Baler]

double post because RnF,.

I know who I am speaking to. Dolalin is GoD status in the bug section and nearly his entire post history is helping fix and improve p99 to be as classic as possible.

I say what I did because it matters. And if you don't know what matters on a PROJECT dedicated to producing classic everquest to the best of their ability, you don't know this server.

[Dolalin]

I sent the info on the channeling thing directly to Nilbog as I received it from Torven at TAKP. I won't be posting PMs so you'll just have to trust me on this one. :)

[Baler]

I would never question your intent dolalin. Nor would I attempt to sway your trust in a PM.

I speak straight and I'm honest.

[cd288]

I also think the devs said it’s like a titanium client issue isn’t it? Maybe I’m misremembering.

[nyclin]

P99 is dead. P99 remains dead. And we have killed it. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was classic and most competitive of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe these pixels off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of serpentine draft, what sacred rotations shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

[Baler]

P99 is NOT dead,.

I came into p99 in 2010 and over the years I've seen Jaded veterans get angry and leave.

There are still hundreds of people who will fill their place in the future...
Just because you've heard of P99 doesn't mean everyone has.

[Twochain]

Except for the fact that the following was proven...

1. Channeling is extremely broken.

2. Enchanters shouldn't be able to re-mez a mob and get a mem wipe chance, it should have to break mez first and be recast.

3. Enchanter pet HP values are too high.

4. All pets were extremely broken in classic and Enchanters 10x more so meaning all easily used pets up until near Kunark area shouldn't exist. They should train groups, attack group members, warp through the zone, etc.

5. Several other questionable things that just don't have substantial evidence or data to correct particularly around magic resistance of planar/raid level mobs which made Enchanters unable to CC easily let alone charm mobs.

Many of the things proven and discussed had already been reported in the past with significant evidence but the reports get no response. I merely aggregated them to show how ridiculous and obvious it was that Enchanter was being treated as special or protected for some reason.

The Bard mention was just an example to raise the question of why the staff makes non-classic nerfs to some classes but not others like Enchanter. Pet attack delay from fine steel. Necro lifetap, AE kiting. These things were mentioned. Simply making the argument that Enchanter is clearly OP and trivializes content in all aspects of the game similar to those classes which wasn't the case in live. For "some reason" though Enchanter has been left alone in this regard. Why do some classes have classic abilities nerfed because it's "too OP" but Enchanter shouldn't be considered for similar nerfs?

The better Bard example to counter Enchanter cry babies was that Bards actually didn't get level capped charm and were able to charm CT in Fear. Yet for "some reason" this ability won't be granted to Bards and Enchanters will keep their non-classic ability to charm raid mobs which was proven to not be possible in era. A Bard, Necro, pet with daggers, unresistable life tap, quest exp, on and on definitely needs a nerf but Enchanter should carry everyone at all levels on P99 from the stupid level treadmills with charmed back stabbing pets we saw at green launch all the way up to easy CC and channeling through being hit 20 times by raid mobs.

Enchanter players who want to continue playing "EQ classic experience custom 2021" cry whenever the overwhelming evidence is brought up that Enchanter is overpowered on P99 both due to bugs which are proven like channeling and overpowered abilities they are allowed to keep that others classes are not. In short, no matter how you look at it, Enchanter should be nerfed to make P99 more enjoyable and challenging.

However, what really bugged me was the channeling issue and the easily obtained data including decompile of classic era client that showed it was severely broken on P99 but the staff wouldn't comment on it. This brought this issue of P99's trivial and boring nature to the forefront when I realized EVERY class is overpowered right now because of this. The entire game is in fact broken from a classic perspective given that one of the most basic mechanics, channeling, has an overwhelming success rate that is nothing like live. From level 1-60 killing snakes or ST mobs channeling trivializes the game and makes it nothing like classic and anyone who is honest with themselves knows this is true. The Enchanter cry babies can't even let go of the fact that my focus is on channeling now and not Enchanter since I realized that is the root cause of all trivialization on P99 at the moment.

People who want a broken non-classic experience and defend overlooking these bugs often claim I'm trying to get some kind of advantage or I'm mad about some other class I want to play being nerfed. It's rather silly considering I'm asking for the game to be made more difficult for everyone and the existing nerfs to classes like Bard to remain in place. It's fine though, enjoy your care bear server with almost guaranteed channeling from level 1. I believe it was 50-70% success rate channeling on P99 at level 1 but classic data showed you should be around level 40-45 to have that level of success. Fitting with what I always said, Enchanter on P99 plays like a top geared top level Velious era Enchanter from level 1 in classic era. People use evidence from Velious era to try to speak to how Enchanter worked in classic or Kunark. Most of the "custom classic" players here who defend this situation are incapable of nuance like evolving power level of classes over time through expansions or simple game design mechanics like the leveling curve that would have never been allowed by Verant/Sony.

We got quest exp nerfs, higher spawn rates, instanced server on green launch and not fixes for basic mechanics like channeling rate. It's clear the staff for whatever reason WANTS everyone to group up at max level and poop sock raid mobs. They not only don't fix obvious classic bugs that would slow down all progression and avoid this stacking up at max level and alt collecting pre-Kunark but they actually introduce non-classic changes to make leveling even easier and faster. Makes zero sense and just isn't the game I want to play. EQ raiding up until Velious was always kind of a joke for the losers who had no life and reached max level before a new expansion could be released. I play EQ for the core game mechanics and social aspects. Both of these have been killed by the devs who introduce things like lists and are extremely harsh about any kind of camp competition, training, etc which turns P99 into a boring formulaic easy grind to raid level where you then sit AFK waiting for 1 person to win the raid mob pull and then you easily kill the mob and go to bed.

I do find it funny though that I savaged Enchanter so hard that people still pop up on forum whenever I post to cry about it and say none of it was true. You're lucky I got so demoralized by channeling rates and lack of staff response that I decided not to make a larger compilation of all the evidence and issues that I was seeing in the news groups and similar.

i bet you're fun at parties

[azxten]

double post because RnF,.

I know who I am speaking to. Dolalin is GoD status in the bug section and nearly his entire post history is helping fix and improve p99 to be as classic as possible.

I say what I did because it matters. And if you don't know what matters on a PROJECT dedicated to producing classic everquest to the best of their ability, you don't know this server.

My favorite classic moment was instanced servers that merged in a few months after launch allowing players to double farm items like mana stones on a /list system which was abused by guilds to keep characters online for 3+ days straight.

lol.. you're a joke

Oh and the Enchanter mez aggro thing? That is from Daldaen. Like I said I was just reposting things that are being ignored.

I'll wait for Green 2.0. I know the devs see my crying. Here is what we need...

1. Nerf Enchanter charm until start of Velious and fix the mez mem blur bug that let's them avoid the "aggro dump" upon mez break of a chain mezzed mob. This fixed the trivialization of content from charm until the same time in classic which was Velious and makes Enchanter much more likely to die in group situations.

2. Fix channeling and mana from stats. Makes lower and higher level gameplay more difficult.

3. As far as I recall ZEMs were proven to be lower than P99 is using. We should have the same lower standard ZEMs with no hot spots. This gets rid of the boring "hot spot" leveling tread mills. Alternatively at least make ZEM rotate somewhat often and randomly.

4. Don't fuck with the launch by adding servers, changing spawn rate, /list, and nerfing quest exp. EQ is supposed to be challenging and that included finding open camps. P99 never came close to live population numbers and was never over crowded.

5. Actually monitor the level distribution of the player base the same way Verant/Sony would with an eye towards ensuring players don't level too quickly. It shouldn't be possible to get to level 50 with alts to level 50 before Kunark launches without serious effort. Somehow I was able to do this just playing casually. Likely due to channeling, ZEMs, charm, instancing, and all the other bullshit above. Probably each iteration of Green should use data from the previous launch to determine how to keep fitting a model towards a certain progression timeline. In other words, the no life loser should only be able to reach 50 with 1 alt and the casual player should only reach level 30-40 or whatever. If things are moving faster or slower than this model mechanics should be adjusted. This would avoid the ridiculous stacking of everyone at raid level before the first plane is even opened.

It's that easy. I want to play P99 again once it returns to a focus on classic and challenging game play.

[azxten]

i bet you're fun at parties

I bet you're still playing P99

[Trexller]

Superhero Enchanters are like, the best part of P99 imo.

I wanna see a video, Doom Slayer vs 60 Ench.

Imagine an enchanter, with The Doom Slayer as a pet....

https://i.imgur.com/DYyyEkG.png

[cd288]

My favorite classic moment was instanced servers that merged in a few months after launch allowing players to double farm items like mana stones on a /list system which was abused by guilds to keep characters online for 3+ days straight.

lol.. you're a joke

Oh and the Enchanter mez aggro thing? That is from Daldaen. Like I said I was just reposting things that are being ignored.

I'll wait for Green 2.0. I know the devs see my crying. Here is what we need...

1. Nerf Enchanter charm until start of Velious and fix the mez mem blur bug that let's them avoid the "aggro dump" upon mez break of a chain mezzed mob. This fixed the trivialization of content from charm until the same time in classic which was Velious and makes Enchanter much more likely to die in group situations.

2. Fix channeling and mana from stats. Makes lower and higher level gameplay more difficult.

3. As far as I recall ZEMs were proven to be lower than P99 is using. We should have the same lower standard ZEMs with no hot spots. This gets rid of the boring "hot spot" leveling tread mills. Alternatively at least make ZEM rotate somewhat often and randomly.

4. Don't fuck with the launch by adding servers, changing spawn rate, /list, and nerfing quest exp. EQ is supposed to be challenging and that included finding open camps. P99 never came close to live population numbers and was never over crowded.

5. Actually monitor the level distribution of the player base the same way Verant/Sony would with an eye towards ensuring players don't level too quickly. It shouldn't be possible to get to level 50 with alts to level 50 before Kunark launches without serious effort. Somehow I was able to do this just playing casually. Likely due to channeling, ZEMs, charm, instancing, and all the other bullshit above. Probably each iteration of Green should use data from the previous launch to determine how to keep fitting a model towards a certain progression timeline. In other words, the no life loser should only be able to reach 50 with 1 alt and the casual player should only reach level 30-40 or whatever. If things are moving faster or slower than this model mechanics should be adjusted. This would avoid the ridiculous stacking of everyone at raid level before the first plane is even opened.

It's that easy. I want to play P99 again once it returns to a focus on classic and challenging game play.

I’m sure the staff really pay attention to you

[cd288]

I bet you're still playing P99

Lol the best part about this is that there’s nothing more sad than someone who DOESNT play on P99 anymore coming here to argue and rant on the forums. It’s like you can’t move on.

[SantagarBrax]

Give the people what they want, Luclin then PoP in a few years!

[Izmael]

Give the people what they want, Luclin then PoP in a few years!

They already have it!
https://www.takproject.net/

[dragosanii]

They already have it!
https://www.takproject.net/

Just tried Takproject above but it just doesn't tick all the boxes for me and mine.
You can't strafe left and right using keys, only hold right mouse click and you can't mousewheel zoom out for a 3rd party view of your toon - you can change cameras but it isn't the same.....And it's designed and aimed at 3xboxing toons so again, doesn't fit in with what I'm ultimately trying to find (Server like P99 with all of those options but maybe up to PoP expansion, not allowing bots - any ideas?)

Regards,

- S

[dk0]

Just tried Takproject above but it just doesn't tick all the boxes for me and mine.
You can't strafe left and right using keys, only hold right mouse click and you can't mousewheel zoom out for a 3rd party view of your toon - you can change cameras but it isn't the same.....And it's designed and aimed at 3xboxing toons so again, doesn't fit in with what I'm ultimately trying to find (Server like P99 with all of those options but maybe up to PoP expansion, not allowing bots - any ideas?)

Regards,

- S

"I want to pay nothing and still have all of my very specific demands met."

No, you're never going to check all the boxes.

[dragosanii]

"I want to pay nothing and still have all of my very specific demands met."

No, you're never going to check all the boxes.

No worries, was just asking. I don't have any demands, just checking if anyone knew of servers that have certain characteristics. I could go play original if I really wanted.

[dk0]

No worries, was just asking. I don't have any demands, just checking if anyone knew of servers that have certain characteristics. I could go play original if I really wanted.

Fair, and I probably came off snarkier than I intended. Your only two real options are P99 and TAKP, both have tradeoffs so it's a matter of deciding on which factors are most important to you.

I know the FV Project exists and bills itself as a classic server but I really don't know much about it: https://fvproject.com/index.php/Main_Page

[dragosanii]

Fair, and I probably came off snarkier than I intended. Your only two real options are P99 and TAKP, both have tradeoffs so it's a matter of deciding on which factors are most important to you.

I know the FV Project exists and bills itself as a classic server but I really don't know much about it: https://fvproject.com/index.php/Main_Page

No probs mate - and thanks for the info on FV. Am happy enough on P99 (along with the wife n child) so not _really_ looking for anything different, just thinking back on how much we missed The Grey and other stuff that we blasted back in the day and then I read that other servers offer different expansions.

Regards,

- S