Erudites Matter

[Gugg]

Iksars having regen and Erudites not is clearly racist. Is it because we're black or something?

Please insert questable item (solo friendly lowish level quest) for all Necromancers except Iksar which gives same regen as Iksar and looks cool as f*ck.

It's also in the interests of the ladies.

Will my request fall on deaf ears?

You know it makes sense.

[Gugg]

Before I forget, the same goes for the non-iksar monks and non-ogre sk's.

Eliminate min-maxx by making all races equal by adding questable items for non-iksar and non-ogre.

You shouldn't be penalised for wanting to be beautiful instead of ugly or unique instead of a clone.

[Baler]

Only racist people talk about racism.

Erudite are an INT based race with a neutral alignment in the world of norrath. This offers them MANY opportunities that other races miss out of.

[fortior]

eliminating unique abilities and drawbacks of races is one of the things that has made modern MMOs so fucking boring, go away OP we don't want you here

[Pulgasari]

why make this thread?

[Gugg]

eliminating unique abilities and drawbacks of races is one of the things that has made modern MMOs so fucking boring, go away OP we don't want you here

There's nothing unique about a game full of Iksar because of they're OP regen instead of a healthy mix of all races and classes.

All Necromancers should be fundamentally equal regardless of race even if the seperate races have unique perks.

But Verant has Dark Elf clerics healing and resurrecting even though Dark Elves are evil so badly thought through OP Iksar regen is understandable with that mentally.

[tadkins]

But Verant has Dark Elf clerics healing and resurrecting even though Dark Elves are evil so badly thought through OP Iksar regen is understandable with that mentally.

Even an evil society needs its healers, otherwise they'd die out.

I do agree with you to an extent though. Dark elf necromancers have such cool flavor going for them, but whenever I try to play one it's honestly hard to ignore how much straight up better iksar are at being necromancers. It kind of ruins the whole class for me.

[Swish]

Erudites aren't allowed to assemble together in a guild, it upsets people.

[Swish]

PS: Dark Men of Odus was a great guild.

[Endorra]

Yay more race edgelord threads these never get old

[starkind]

U could make ur own server where iksar doesn't has regen but gets like a hibernation mode where they stay completely motionless for 30 minutes but get full hp, mana and they are like rogue stealthed while they sleep but it only works at 11am-3pm norrathian time outside.

[Baler]

PS: Dark Men of Odus was a great guild.

vouch, during my time with them they never insinuated any racism or hatred topics. They were a roleplay guild that did not like the other rift raft of norrath.

Everquest has open digress with other races/religions/&classes.. I never saw DMO promote a unhealthy hatred towards any specifics group of people. They equally through roleplay disliked the antonicans.

Personally I feel this is fair for the game of everquest that has dislike for specific characteristics...

~~~Hoesntly~~ (why I will be banned for posting this) The staff is pussy whipped by racists into banning an agenda that goes against the lore of norrath.

[Baler]

I hope <Ancient Blood> the best!

I also hope that Ancient Blood isn't removed by staff because there are people who belive aliens a reptiles taking over the government. Because that's about equal to why dmo was removed.

[Swish]

vouch, during my time with them they never insinuated any racism or hatred topics. They were a roleplay guild that did not like the other rift raft of norrath.

Everquest has open digress with other races/religions/&classes.. I never saw DMO promote a unhealthy hatred towards any specifics group of people. They equally through roleplay disliked the antonicans.

Personally I feel this is fair for the game of everquest that has dislike for specific characteristics...

~~~Hoesntly~~ (why I will be banned for posting this) The staff is pussy whipped by racists into banning an agenda that goes against the lore of norrath.

https://i.imgur.com/bdhPntY.png

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/bdhPntY.png

IN 1999 THIS WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN A TOPIC.

[Baler]

Relive the Classic Everquest Experience as it was from 1999 to 2001.

[Ennewi]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-162999.html

[Horza]

RIP Nirgon

[Ennewi]

PS: Dark Men of Odus was a great guild.

Few guilds have ever been disbanded on here, to my knowledge, not even Lord Bob. Guilds made to change their tags? Yes. Suspended? Yes. But disband? No.

That great guild didn't even get the first two options. Explain?

[Nocht]

Iksar are the most marginalized race on Norrath. We don't even get clerics. This thread is a dog whistle for High Elf supremacy.

[Pulgasari]

Everquest has open digress with other races/religions/&classes.. I never saw DMO promote a unhealthy hatred towards any specifics group of people. They equally through roleplay disliked the antonicans.

~~~Hoesntly~~ (why I will be banned for posting this) The staff is pussy whipped by racists into banning an agenda that goes against the lore of norrath.

Right, DMO was breaking lore because it was never about lore. In the game world, Erudites are timid bookish nerds. DMO? They were just shitty edgelords masquerading as roleplay.

Hope this helps!

[Swish]

Right, DMO was breaking lore because it was never about lore. In the game world, Erudites are timid bookish nerds. DMO? They were just shitty edgelords masquerading as roleplay.

Hope this helps!

Tell that to the erudites in Paineel.

Everyone I knew in DMO individually were fine upstanding members of the green community, yet somehow people tried their hardest to pin labels on the guild tag.

Can you honestly say the petitionquest guilds reflect how EQ should be played? Something to think about.

Hope this helps :rolleyes:

[Swish]

Few guilds have ever been disbanded on here, to my knowledge, not even Lord Bob. Guilds made to change their tags? Yes. Suspended? Yes. But disband? No.

That great guild didn't even get the first two options. Explain?

Whatever the reasons were I'm glad there's been peace and unity on green ever since the bad men went away.

[Ennewi]

Whatever the reasons were I'm glad there's been peace and unity on green ever since the bad men went away.

Mean dorks are odious.

[Algustus]

Erudites aren't allowed to assemble together in a guild, it upsets people.


Actually people that are ok with naming characters Basketball and Watermelon are pretty clearly racist Fks. Good ridence to the racists. Maybe they can find a Russian game to play.

[Neno]

But Verant has Dark Elf clerics healing and resurrecting even though Dark Elves are evil so badly thought through OP Iksar regen is understandable with that mentally.

Res spells aren't really cannon in MMOs and are mainly just for player convenience. I can't think of a single instance in EQ where someone was brought back from the dead outside of possibly some extreme magical ritual. IIRC, WoW was the first time something like that was encountered with Whitemane and Mograine in Scarlet Monastery. However, even in WoW there were plenty of times a friendly NPC gets killed and it results in perma death despite there being a healer standing next to them.

Trying to rationalize Res spells in this game and who gets to use them is about as folly as trying to rationalize the in game lore behind corpse runs.

[Pulgasari]

Tell that to the erudites in Paineel.


Tell them what? You haven't said anything. :p

[Jimjam]

Res spells aren't really cannon in MMOs and are mainly just for player convenience. I can't think of a single instance in EQ where someone was brought back from the dead outside of possibly some extreme magical ritual. IIRC, WoW was the first time something like that was encountered with Whitemane and Mograine in Scarlet Monastery. However, even in WoW there were plenty of times a friendly NPC gets killed and it results in perma death despite there being a healer standing next to them.

Trying to rationalize Res spells in this game and who gets to use them is about as folly as trying to rationalize the in game lore behind corpse runs.

Spirok in Plane of Sky have a couple of mobs that will rez the others.

On topic: low iksar int and mr has got them mindcontrolled into believing they are superior to Erudites.

[Gugg]

Spirok in Plane of Sky have a couple of mobs that will rez the others.

On topic: low iksar int and mr has got them mindcontrolled into believing they are superior to Erudites.

Verant logic: A Erudite is vastly more intelligent than a Lizard yet at the same fundamentally inferior when it comes to Necromancy. What's the point of being intelligent if you can win by being stupid instead?

If you were going to pick another race for Necromancer it would be Erudite for the special items (Noclin's Femur is cool if you like to collect things) and the high INT but they're saying INT is unimportant to the Necro and what really matters is having a lesser parasitic draw so you need to recharge yourself less often and the less parasitic draw you have the greater the Necromancer you are so in the mix-max mind Iksar Necro > Erudite Necro which makes no sense from a Lore aspect.

Erudites are intelligent and Lizards are dumb and bcause intelligent people SHARE knowledge and stupid people want to keep it to themselvs to gain an unfair advantage like the Iksar do it means the Erudites taught the Iksar Necromancy so Erudites should be just as good as Iksar...at 60 all Necro should be equal.

[Gugg]

I would loved to have been a fly on the wall for the initial design meeting for the Iksar race.

Designer 1: "I've got a great idea. Let's create a new race and give them innate regen and make them Necromancers".
Designer 2: "Won't that make all non-iksar Necromancers obselete?"
Designer 1: "Yes, isn't it great?!"

Of course the designer was thinking ahead knowing that such balances would be fixed in future expansions but it's a great way to promote Kunark. New races and classes also get special treatment early on.

On P99 that special treatment remains FOREVER unless further expansions are released.

[Ennewi]

Each of the noteworthy innate racial bonuses ought to have had a negative aspect tacked on. Certain very powerful spells work in this manner. The lingering effects from resurrection. Decreased movement speed from torpor. Even alcohol consumption puts stats in the red. I suppose the one negative that comes with having FSI is being so large, as that hinders movements through indoor dungeons and all but requires shrink.

[fortior]

Each of the noteworthy innate racial bonuses ought to have had a negative aspect tacked on. Certain very powerful spells work in this manner. The lingering effects from resurrection. Decreased movement speed from torpor. Even alcohol consumption puts stats in the red. I suppose the one negative that comes with having FSI is being so large, as that hinders movements through indoor dungeons and all but requires shrink.

people like you are what's wrong with modern mmo design

[Ennewi]

people like you are what's wrong with modern mmo design

You give something up for everything you gain, otherwise you're that much closer to being OP and might as well have GM powers. It's not about balancing everything into an uninteresting state, just making players weigh the pros and cons of each choice.

[Ennewi]

At least attempting to min/max would be more fun if there were numerous factors to take into account, then the debate would go beyond this or that, FSI or HP regen.

[Argh]

I think faction was supposed to be a part of the negative aspects for those racials. It's largely irrelevant later on but you do really feel it when starting new.

[Bardp1999]

OP iz dumb, OP fux donkey

[fortior]

faction and cumbersome size never become irrelevant. players can eventually mitigate them, sure. but players can also mitigate racials (stats) through gear. FSI is an outlier but it's not like you need FSI to raid tank for the biggest baddest guilds, or solo big bad content, etc etc. gear is king

[Allishia]

faction and cumbersome size never become irrelevant. players can eventually mitigate them, sure. but players can also mitigate racials (stats) through gear. FSI is an outlier but it's not like you need FSI to raid tank for the biggest baddest guilds, or solo big bad content, etc etc. gear is king

Ya fsi only really helps caster ogres. Doesn't matter on war.

[Nirgon]

Miss me? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBsPLEz01Qg&t=7)



Tell them what? You haven't said anything. :p

This is called willful ignorance.

[Nirgon]

Ya fsi only really helps caster ogres. Doesn't matter on war.

Being stunned is an aggro loss.

[Ennewi]

faction and cumbersome size never become irrelevant. players can eventually mitigate them, sure. but players can also mitigate racials (stats) through gear. FSI is an outlier but it's not like you need FSI to raid tank for the biggest baddest guilds, or solo big bad content, etc etc. gear is king

True, gear is the great equalizer, though not all races can use some of that gear. Still, the point wasn't that these innate abilities are OP and should be offset to level the playing field, but that the choice of race ought to have required more consideration from a min/max perspective. By granting abilities of greater value to the player, whether from the start or through experience, race levels gained in tandem with class levels, the game would have played very differently between each main and alt. EQ being an old game, that's no fault of its own of course and could have ruined a good thing by reaching too far, the way Vanguard did graphically.

Even for how well-rounded they are, monks serve as a good example of how the game plays very differently compared to other classes. The contrast between pros and cons leaves no room for ambiguity. A monk outperforms a shadow knight more often than not and in more ways than one. Both have access to feign death, but in different forms. That's where things get interesting imo, when the pros and cons are more situational. The same meaningful distinctions are not there between say, wood elves and dark elves or humans and erudites. By and large, the substantial race differences that exist are tied to size, unintentionally, with gnomes having wall vision and ogres being able to form a wall at Tunare fights.

[Pulgasari]

This is called willful ignorance.

Beggar Prince 🤴

[Allishia]

Being stunned is an aggro loss.

Procs really all that matters on agro, and I feel like I almost always proc after the split second I'm stunned :p

[Ripqozko]

Procs really all that matters on agro, and I feel like I almost always proc after the split second I'm stunned :p

you tank better then you pull, hope this helps.

[Allishia]

you tank better then you pull, hope this helps.

Lmao yes, I am really bad monk once they nerfed sneak pulls /nod

[Nirgon]

It's a sizable loss of threat by comparison and especially matters for the first warrior in the tank line. There's no debate there.

[Gugg]

You give something up for everything you gain, otherwise you're that much closer to being OP and might as well have GM powers. It's not about balancing everything into an uninteresting state, just making players weigh the pros and cons of each choice.

A class should not be punished for not picking Iksar.

Players should not be penalised for picking good rather than evil.

There is no debate; the player should be able to pick good and not be penalised for it.

Evil should be penalised for being stupid. Why are good being penalised for being good? What have good done wrong to warrant being worse than evil?

[Baler]

There is a dead dwarf cut in half on full display in the town center of Grobb.

[OuterChimp]

Erudite Lives Matter

[Grumph]

At least Erudites get some nice ERU only items.

Human monks get…. Qeynos badge of honor and an Inny neck? For the same slot.

[Gugg]

Erudite Lives Matter

Why are Erudites even an option if you're punished just for being one?

Evil should be hated everywhere not rewarded for being evil and players shouldn't be forced to roleplay an evil race if there is good and evil on offer which in EQ there is..supposedly.

Good should not be penalised for being good and nobody should be forced to play an evil race.

Human Monks should be innately on par with Iksar Monks while both still having unique and interesting racial traits. Humans don't even get any racials what more proof do you need that there is a bias towards evil in this world?

[Nirgon]

cancel culture is all over p99 demanding free pixels, and getting them

[Toxigen]

reparations when?

[Nirgon]

reparations when?

how many were pioneers, engineers, business men, lawyers, doctors?

how much was actually contributed in us vs them terms?

what about the 600,000 whites that died to free them?

how can we determine fairly, accurately and without infinite legal dispute who exactly is entitled to them? who is going to pay for all the ancestry tests? will the cost of issuing as accurately as possible them far outweigh the actual reparations paid?

these are the questions that remain for me. I think there's enough give and take to call the spread covered tbh.

[Pulgasari]

Why are Erudites even an option if you're punished just for being one?

Evil should be hated everywhere not rewarded for being evil and players shouldn't be forced to roleplay an evil race if there is good and evil on offer which in EQ there is..supposedly.

Good should not be penalised for being good and nobody should be forced to play an evil race.

Human Monks should be innately on par with Iksar Monks while both still having unique and interesting racial traits. Humans don't even get any racials what more proof do you need that there is a bias towards evil in this world?

Erudites are not an evil race. (https://everquest.fandom.com/wiki/Erudite)

...

Erudites understand the boundaries of keeping a civilised society and while they prefer not to socialise with those outside their own race, are quite capable of interacting on good terms with others.

[Gugg]

I want to edit my original title.

Erudites Matter

Choice Matters.

Forcing somebody to be an evil lizard monk is anti-choice when they should be able to choose to be a good huan monk instead and they should NOT be penalised for that decision.

If you penalise Human Monks just for being Human Monks then choice has been destroyed.

The Iksars are the racists not the humans. Why do the racists make better Monks when monks are all about enlightenent?

[Nirgon]

Human monks get better plain fist ratio and faction.

They're also viable as a snow flake pick.

Then there's lore/rp'ing purposes, god forbid we care about any of that. I mean taking on the challenges of a character in a fantasy world, working around penalties and succeeding lol.

The level of "I can't/can only imagine" is reaching record highs.

[Toxigen]

these are the questions that remain for me. I think there's enough give and take to call the spread covered tbh.

how dare you and your lack of high elf guilt

[Gugg]

Yes, that's my point.

Erudites are less capable Necromancers not because they're black (that probably helps them a bit) but because they are 1) not racist 2) a good race 3) More human looking 4) stylish.


It's one of those 4 why Iksar make better Necromancers but when you factor in Monks too then it's obviously number 2 as to the reason why because Humans an Erudites both have GOOD in common and they both get screwed by Iksar design.

It's a subliminal way of getting you to choose evil which is stupid because evil is hate everywhere and EQ is a social game.

[Horza]

how many were pioneers, engineers, business men, lawyers, doctors?

how much was actually contributed in us vs them terms?

what about the 600,000 whites that died to free them?

how can we determine fairly, accurately and without infinite legal dispute who exactly is entitled to them? who is going to pay for all the ancestry tests? will the cost of issuing as accurately as possible them far outweigh the actual reparations paid?

these are the questions that remain for me. I think there's enough give and take to call the spread covered tbh.

What does this conservative bullshit have to do with video games?

[Nirgon]

What does this conservative bullshit have to do with video games?

No swastika picture this time or ASL violation berg out this time :(

2 wompz

[Nirgon]

This society is so degenerated ADL is immediately autocorrected to ASL? The squirt gun emoji cuckery was bad enough.

[Ennewi]

There is no debate;

Evil should be penalised for being stupid.

From my point of view the Jedi are evil. Also, I hate sand.

Why are good being penalised for being good? What have good done wrong to warrant being worse than evil?

No good deed goes unpunished.

[Horza]

I'm just waiting for staff to ban you again for posting racial slurs.

[Gugg]

They created two classes of Monk and Necromancer when they didn't need to.

They actually created two new classes.

Monk 1.5 (Iksar Exclusive Class)
Necromancer 1.5 (Iksar Exclusive Class)


Iksar: Racist, reptillian, anti-human, anti-beauty, alien
All other classes: not reptile

So if you want to be a good Monk or Necromancer you got no choice but to be a stinky evil lizard who is hated by everybody and sees itself as the master race.

[Nirgon]

I'm just waiting for staff to ban you again for posting racial slurs.

Hasn't happened.

Also - Hey frens, remember to report "sex workers" to the IRS.

[Nirgon]

They created two classes of Monk and Necromancer when they didn't need to.

They actually created two new classes.

Monk 1.5 (Iksar Exclusive Class)
Necromancer 1.5 (Iksar Exclusive Class)

Really sick take on a fantasy game. Like not sick in a good way.

Iksar: Racist, reptillian, anti-human, anti-beauty, alien
All other classes: not reptile

So if you want to be a good Monk or Necromancer you got no choice but to be a stinky evil lizard who is hated by everybody and sees itself as the master race.

[Ennewi]

If you penalise Human Monks just for being Human Monks then choice has been destroyed.

The Iksars are the racists not the humans. Why do the racists make better Monks when monks are all about enlightenent?

Iksars have a more dramatic feign death animation. Humans have a better flying kick animation. Iksars get innate regent. Humans look cooler in Velious armor. Pick what suits you.

[Gugg]

There is only one faction within Iskar society and it's evil.

As a Erudite you can be good or evil but with Iskar you can only be evil.

They gave THAT race the best racial traits; a society which has no choice but to be evil.

[Nirgon]

Mad cuz Brad

[Gugg]

Iksars have a more dramatic feign death animation. Humans have a better flying kick animation. Iksars get innate regent. Humans look cooler in Velious armor. Pick what suits you.

Yeah, everything you listed minues the innate regen is non-essential.

The innate regen is the problem.

They gifted a race something special for being evil or reptillian or not offering choice.

Iskar only have one choice at birth: evil.

That would be like being born in a muslim or christian society where you can't decide for yourself.

They rewarded that with innate regen maing a class which is all about enlightenment and associated with humans being played better by evil lizards who don't believe in the right to choose good over evil.

[Nirgon]

Maybe the people who made the game weren't race baiting weirdos with Neomarxist ideals controlling every decision they make.

[Pulgasari]

Hasn't happened.

Also - Hey frens, remember to report "sex workers" to the IRS.

My heart says yes but my head says that would make the state part of the butt business. :confused:

[Nirgon]

Your head should say "attractive women turning themselves into demons instead of marrying good men and improving society" is wrong.

[starkind]

glad u got unbanned

[starkind]

also demons are the n3ew 'cute' it's actually not meant to be demonic, they just don't know

[Pulgasari]

Your head should say "attractive women turning themselves into demons instead of marrying good men and improving society" is wrong.

That's fine but this is the sweet land of Liberty, ya SJW.

[Horza]

RIP Toxigen

[starkind]

just reminding u that i was hotter than all of u and also simultaneously cooler and normaller looking without dying my hair purple and looking like the girl next door without raiding the capital steps or killing poors in afghanistan (although i indirectly contributed and for that i suffer)

[Nirgon]

Demons are a theological explanation. I've learned to see the religious interpretations as things those who lacked the science at the time used.

This is to say you should look on what they see causing the downfall of nations, and social order as historical human observation.

When I say these peoples' minds are infested with demons, I don't mean little red devils or some guy with a pitch fork that lives in the center of the earth. Or that some winged person fell out of the sky into said center of the earth or whatever. I'm saying theres something observable, clearly wrong and "evil". Men can fall in this way, into evil so to speak if they are weak and especially if they live unfulfilled and indecent lives.

I think the man in the clouds mumbo jumbo and whale belly stories were kind of the memes of the time to share the sentiment.

We got more than a few of them here and they do all the classic things the ancients warned us about. Especially the idolatry crap of putting objects/possessions before their fellow man, and the hedonism/sexual indecency stuff.

[arvidez]

unfulfilled lives. kids are being turned into little oppressed woke soldiers who, by doctrine, are at war with themselves.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/d3WyUbJ.jpg

[Pulgasari]

unfulfilled lives. kids are being turned into little oppressed woke soldiers who, by doctrine, are at war with themselves.

You have to win the final victory over yourself, and love Joe Biden. 💕 💕 💕

[Nirgon]

The politicians (notably certain governor's and secretaries of state right now) and blatantly corrupt DAs
certainly are.

I also discovered most of the BLM money goes to white guys like Biden and Bernie and not directly to helping black neighborhoods. Weird huh? Ole crazy racist me woulda made sure air conditioning in their schools got fixed instead of spent on foreign whores for politician's sons. Call me crazy tho.

[Horza]

LhqUk28OwHs

[Nirgon]

I mean, everything I'm saying is true

[Grumph]

One things for sure.

There’s no grand conspiracy for a world-wide “Great Reset.”

15260

[Nirgon]

Depends what u mean by all that

[starkind]

I'm content to play an orc in world of cuxkcraft until my drive corrupts then I gotta reinstall.

[Pulgasari]

There is a spectre haunting RNF.

The spectre of boomers getting mad on the internet.

[starkind]

There is a spectre haunting RNF.

The spectre of boomers getting mad on the internet.

zennies wru

oh, discord, and hearthstone and league of legends lol

[Nirgon]

There is a spectre haunting RNF.

The spectre of boomers getting mad on the internet.

a new wave of toxic cuckery is more like it, April 2021

[Pulgasari]

a new wave of toxic cuckery is more like it, April 2021

The hierarchy laid bare.

[HalflingSpergand]

My skin is black like coffee grounds and this thread is disgusting racism. I want to cry right now. Did i mention im also 300 pounds

[Nirgon]

Wow you are so much better than everyone else

[OuterChimp]

If you even posted in this thread and you don't main a Erudite then you are guilty of cultural-EQ-appropriation and should /ban yourself.