Boxing and Automation has become the "White" Lie.

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/D6bbSZd.png

[hotkarlmarxbros]

I would say that it is less a 'white lie' and more an 'elephant in the room' amongst parties who are in the know that this behavior is staff sanctioned.
Whether this tacit encouragement is inadvertent due to negligence/incompetence or something more nefarious, I'm not in a position to say. There are no mechanics that exist in the game to detect or prevent unfair advantages that come from scripts/programs running outside the client. We may hear cries of 'not classic' from sanctimonious purist trolls, but that is quickly drowned out by the overwhelming number of deliberate, non-classic changes that we play with every day. 'Not classic' clearly doesn't mean much of anything.

So why do I say this play is sanctioned rather than just missed? GMs require, for many, if not all, infractions to be recorded by the aggrieved party. If an infraction is not recorded in some manner (screenshot, video, whatever) then no punishment is meted out, and the accused party gets away 'scot-free' so to speak. The players who pursue highly contested content are all aware of this. So much so, I would argue that we are a bit PTSD and most of us neurotically record every interaction in the game to ensure we aren't falling afoul of someone who is selfishly breaking the rules and banking on our not actively recording them.

When we look at things in the realm of automation and/or boxing via vpn or ip exemption, how exactly are the players who will be affected by such behaviors going to provide proof that this is occurring? Short answer, in 99% of cases, they can't. So those who feel no sense of 'fair play' or that 'fair play' is 'do whatever you want so long as nobody with authority catches you' are playing a completely different game than the rest of us who do not. Honestly. If you are clicking a pet track macro, trying to jump off a race line, or any number of extremely insecure/vulnerable competitive interactions in this 20 year old client, the unfortunate fact is you are a sucker. Less moral people are watching netflix, playing league of legends, browsing reddit, or any equally interesting pursuit and not staring at a wall for a 16 or 24 hour window slowly and funlessly accumulating wasted hours/days/months/years of their lives like a schmuck.

Ok, that was a lot of words that others may or may not agree with. Or not even read. Whatever. But let's work with a more specific example that happened somewhat recently. The ring 10 turn in that went from clickfest to a change of mechanics in game. Clearly we see something is significant enough to merit a non-classic change from the staff, but not significant enough to merit any sort of punishment? Have a look at the recording yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQl7yyJ0g4Q

This is a recording of Furoar playing Judan and winning ring 10. While actively talking. Not realizing that he won. Beating out 10 sweaty other nerds. While in a channel requiring comms be push-to-talk. While not hearing any buttons being mashed in the background to try to win the turn in during the time his voice was audible.

This recording is a one in a million, as the perspective for this requires being on the same team so the likelihood of self-incriminating is damn close to zero. Fortunately Venice is kinda dumb and didn't realize the extent of what he captured incriminating Furoar. So we get this video, which is, unless you have either never done one of these turn-ins or actively want to see the proliferation of this client-external scripting being utilized to gain an unfair advantage, very obviously dead to rights confirming exactly what I am talking about. The only thing more incriminating would be a screenshare of Furoar interacting with cheats.exe, but if that is the video staff is waiting for to pull the trigger on some kind of punishment, I think that only reinforced my point that this behavior is sanctioned rather than somehow falling through the cracks.

[Arvan]

Yeah furoar cheats thats big news for us all ROFL

[Nexii]

Yes cheating is rampant but we keep the old ways and rules cause nostalgia

[RevSaber]

Yes cheating is rampant but we keep the old ways and rules cause nostalgia

Now read that back slowly, but this time in front of a mirror ;)

[Kohedron]

The funny thing is, p99 players don't really care about others boxing. They care about others taking their sweet precious little camps, who happen to be boxing. There is a massive difference.

Allow boxing or pvp so we can stop writing 10 page school reports

[Nutsax]

Yeah furoar cheats thats big news for us all ROFL

Why would he not, it's been a tough year.

[Detoxx]

I would say that it is less a 'white lie' and more an 'elephant in the room' amongst parties who are in the know that this behavior is staff sanctioned.
Whether this tacit encouragement is inadvertent due to negligence/incompetence or something more nefarious, I'm not in a position to say. There are no mechanics that exist in the game to detect or prevent unfair advantages that come from scripts/programs running outside the client. We may hear cries of 'not classic' from sanctimonious purist trolls, but that is quickly drowned out by the overwhelming number of deliberate, non-classic changes that we play with every day. 'Not classic' clearly doesn't mean much of anything.

So why do I say this play is sanctioned rather than just missed? GMs require, for many, if not all, infractions to be recorded by the aggrieved party. If an infraction is not recorded in some manner (screenshot, video, whatever) then no punishment is meted out, and the accused party gets away 'scot-free' so to speak. The players who pursue highly contested content are all aware of this. So much so, I would argue that we are a bit PTSD and most of us neurotically record every interaction in the game to ensure we aren't falling afoul of someone who is selfishly breaking the rules and banking on our not actively recording them.

When we look at things in the realm of automation and/or boxing via vpn or ip exemption, how exactly are the players who will be affected by such behaviors going to provide proof that this is occurring? Short answer, in 99% of cases, they can't. So those who feel no sense of 'fair play' or that 'fair play' is 'do whatever you want so long as nobody with authority catches you' are playing a completely different game than the rest of us who do not. Honestly. If you are clicking a pet track macro, trying to jump off a race line, or any number of extremely insecure/vulnerable competitive interactions in this 20 year old client, the unfortunate fact is you are a sucker. Less moral people are watching netflix, playing league of legends, browsing reddit, or any equally interesting pursuit and not staring at a wall for a 16 or 24 hour window slowly and funlessly accumulating wasted hours/days/months/years of their lives like a schmuck.

Ok, that was a lot of words that others may or may not agree with. Or not even read. Whatever. But let's work with a more specific example that happened somewhat recently. The ring 10 turn in that went from clickfest to a change of mechanics in game. Clearly we see something is significant enough to merit a non-classic change from the staff, but not significant enough to merit any sort of punishment? Have a look at the recording yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQl7yyJ0g4Q

This is a recording of Furoar playing Judan and winning ring 10. While actively talking. Not realizing that he won. Beating out 10 sweaty other nerds. While in a channel requiring comms be push-to-talk. While not hearing any buttons being mashed in the background to try to win the turn in during the time his voice was audible.

This recording is a one in a million, as the perspective for this requires being on the same team so the likelihood of self-incriminating is damn close to zero. Fortunately Venice is kinda dumb and didn't realize the extent of what he captured incriminating Furoar. So we get this video, which is, unless you have either never done one of these turn-ins or actively want to see the proliferation of this client-external scripting being utilized to gain an unfair advantage, very obviously dead to rights confirming exactly what I am talking about. The only thing more incriminating would be a screenshare of Furoar interacting with cheats.exe, but if that is the video staff is waiting for to pull the trigger on some kind of punishment, I think that only reinforced my point that this behavior is sanctioned rather than somehow falling through the cracks.

Go outside.

Hope this helps.

[Boptop]

Toss him in the Freeport jail and throw away the key.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Go outside.

Hope this helps.

[Hotel]

people who watch that fraps and somehow draw evidence of cheating have no clue what is going on

you can fucking macro your commands all to one mouse clicks for bedain turn ins and just spam the fuck out of that button in the right place and it will trigger the turn in

am was dragged for years for calling fur a cheater, don't fucking act like it's common knowledge now because it serves you

mad cuz bad

[xdrcfrx]

you can fucking macro your commands all to one mouse clicks for bedain turn ins and just spam the fuck out of that button in the right place and it will trigger the turn in



it's like you're so close to acknowledging the truth, but then shy away at the last moment.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

people who watch that fraps and somehow draw evidence of cheating have no clue what is going on

you can fucking macro your commands all to one mouse clicks for bedain turn ins and just spam the fuck out of that button in the right place and it will trigger the turn in

am was dragged for years for calling fur a cheater, don't fucking act like it's common knowledge now because it serves you

mad cuz bad

It's so obnoxious hearing Furoar's talking points through all the various mouthpieces. What led you to believe that crock of shit? Him saying it over and over? We should believe him. After all, he bald-faced lied to the GMs when confronted about his boxing/train/using other guild's bots. Couldn't even man up to his own bullshit when he was dead to rights that time, either. And he was rewarded with a slap on the wrist, the ability to earn dkp on bots for a month while his characters and all their ill-gotten gear awaited his return.

Or maybe it's his ridiculous self-made story about going from being a waiter to working at Salesjob Inc when in reality he just plays games all day and has to ask mom for money. If you haven't heard it, it's great, you should ask him sometime. It sounds like how a 9 year old thinks things work in the real world lol. He's the type of dude to think he's smarter than everyone else because nobody else thought of the competitive edge of 'cheating' and 'lying' so as far as he's concerned, he earned all this.

But honestly, I don't blame him anymore. This shit is so over the top egregious that the only thing to blame is the server staff. The lack of repercussions for his behavior (and the behavior of others like him) after being demonstrated time and time again his lack of hesitance to operate outside the rules is 100% the reason the server is so 'toxic.' Blaming the playerbase for either cheating when the reward far outweighs the risk so significantly, or being toxic because they have to play under such circumstances is naive and short-sighted.

[Detoxx]

It's so obnoxious hearing Furoar's talking points through all the various mouthpieces. What led you to believe that crock of shit? Him saying it over and over? We should believe him. After all, he bald-faced lied to the GMs when confronted about his boxing/train/using other guild's bots. Couldn't even man up to his own bullshit when he was dead to rights that time, either. And he was rewarded with a slap on the wrist, the ability to earn dkp on bots for a month while his characters and all their ill-gotten gear awaited his return.

Or maybe it's his ridiculous self-made story about going from being a waiter to working at Salesjob Inc when in reality he just plays games all day and has to ask mom for money. If you haven't heard it, it's great, you should ask him sometime. It sounds like how a 9 year old thinks things work in the real world lol. He's the type of dude to think he's smarter than everyone else because nobody else thought of the competitive edge of 'cheating' and 'lying' so as far as he's concerned, he earned all this.

But honestly, I don't blame him anymore. This shit is so over the top egregious that the only thing to blame is the server staff. The lack of repercussions for his behavior (and the behavior of others like him) after being demonstrated time and time again his lack of hesitance to operate outside the rules is 100% the reason the server is so 'toxic.' Blaming the playerbase for either cheating when the reward far outweighs the risk so significantly, or being toxic because they have to play under such circumstances is naive and short-sighted.

May want to go outside. Possibly have sex and maybe hang out with a friend instead of writing novels on a forum.

Hope this helps

[Viscere]

RnF thread cause Furoar took your pixels ?

QQ

[bodenn]

After all, he bald-faced lied to the GMs when confronted about his boxing/train/using other guild's bots.



The prase is Bold-face lie.

[Hideousclaw]

The prase is Bold-face lie.

phrase*

[hotkarlmarxbros]

May want to go outside. Possibly have sex and maybe hang out with a friend instead of writing novels on a forum.

Hope this helps

LOL. Fat unimportant person who actually delivered pizzas as his primary income source into his 30s tries to give life advice to nerds on a forum in a bid to feel superior. That is the worst case of loser denial since Billy Madison.

Hope that wasn't too much for you to read. Try putting your finger underneath the words as you read them, that may help.

[Detoxx]

LOL. Fat unimportant person who actually delivered pizzas as his primary income source into his 30s tries to give life advice to nerds on a forum in a bid to feel superior. That is the worst case of loser denial since Billy Madison.

Hope that wasn't too much for you to read. Try putting your finger underneath the words as you read them, that may help.

Gainfully employed, own my own house, wife, 2 beautiful kids while you jerk off to furoars fraps on the basement.

Im ok with that. I really hope you seek help, you need it.

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Gainfully employed, own my own house, wife, 2 beautiful kids while you jerk off to furoars fraps on the basement.

Im ok with that. I really hope you seek help, you need it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_paG_Irk_e4

[mcoy]

LOL. Fat unimportant person who actually delivered pizzas as his primary income source into his 30s tries to give life advice to nerds on a forum in a bid to feel superior. That is the worst case of loser denial since Billy Madison.

Hope that wasn't too much for you to read. Try putting your finger underneath the words as you read them, that may help.

I dunno, the Deliverator was pretty awesome, and the job came with a sweet ride:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

-Mcoy

[Bardp1999]

May want to go outside. Possibly have sex and maybe hang out with a friend instead of writing novels on a forum.

Hope this helps

Can confirm Detoxx doing well IRL - haters gonna hate

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Can confirm Detoxx doing well IRL - haters gonna hate

Are you the one he had sex with?

[Bardp1999]

Detoxx to fat for me, I like my men Skeletor skinny

[Wokka]

This forum is rife with severe mental illness

[greasemonk]

This server is rife with severe mental illness

[RevSaber]

Gainfully employed, own my own house, wife, 2 beautiful kids while you jerk off to furoars fraps on the basement.

Im ok with that. I really hope you seek help, you need it.

You own a wife and two kids... Not sure how i feel bout that

[Grapeape]

Gainfully employed, own my own house, wife, 2 beautiful kids while you jerk off to furoars fraps on the basement.

Im ok with that. I really hope you seek help, you need it.

bonus points if it was 2 kids and a beautiful wife instead of the other way around.

[Horza]

I dunno, the Deliverator was pretty awesome, and the job came with a sweet ride:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

-Mcoy

Hiro Protagonist? That's parody.

[Terrok]

LOL. Fat unimportant person who actually delivered pizzas as his primary income source into his 30s tries to give life advice to nerds on a forum in a bid to feel superior. That is the worst case of loser denial since Billy Madison.

Hope that wasn't too much for you to read. Try putting your finger underneath the words as you read them, that may help.

Dude, he has lead at least 10 guilds into the ground. hope this helps.

[Terrok]

The prase is Bold-face lie.

lol is that what you believe? so the gms lied then?

[Pint]

Dude, he has lead at least 10 guilds into the ground. hope this helps.

You must be including the defeated guilds he left in his wake

[Jimjam]

Honestly even in the forums it is a problem. I stopped posting on my alt accounts years ago and replaced them with AI bots spewing socioeconomic political nonsense. No one can tell the difference.

[strongNpretty]

Defensive everquesting.... Not a game i'm tryin to play... Logs, UI apps, Video Recording Software, Leaving your wife in bed on a work night cause your batphone went off, petitions day after day. The game half of you play sounds like shit man...

I login, chop it up with the homies, help whoever needs help, slay a few things, log off satisfied as fuck. #Imtoofuckingstrong

[starkind]

Defensive everquesting.... Not a game i'm tryin to play... Logs, UI apps, Video Recording Software, Leaving your wife in bed on a work night cause your batphone went off, petitions day after day. The game half of you play sounds like shit man...

I login, chop it up with the homies, help whoever needs help, slay a few things, log off satisfied as fuck. #Imtoofuckingstrong

Best post and advice in RnF not only this thread right now. It's how I enjoyed my EQ when I worked out and got my bikini body. Was a really great year with great results. Only way to go rly.

[strongNpretty]

Best post and advice in RnF not only this thread right now. It's how I enjoyed my EQ when I worked out and got my bikini body. Was a really great year with great results. Only way to go rly.

#onlywaytogo

[Jimjam]

#onlywaytogo

Your post reminded me of the time when one of my friends had a beer festival in town at Easter. He organised a LAN party to have an easter egg hunt in Velious killing snow griffons. Once we got the required eggs we went out to try the beers. Came back, had some pizza and newbed it up somewhere like Velks.

Was a good time, better than 8 hrs watching walls.

[strongNpretty]

Your post reminded me of the time when one of my friends had a beer festival in town at Easter. He organised a LAN party to have an easter egg hunt in Velious killing snow griffons. Once we got the required eggs we went out to try the beers. Came back, had some pizza and newbed it up somewhere like Velks.

Was a good time, better than 8 hrs watching walls.

That's how you fucking do it man! That's how you fucking do it!!!

[cd288]

May want to go outside. Possibly have sex and maybe hang out with a friend instead of writing novels on a forum.

Hope this helps

This is super rich coming from a massively P99 obsessed and maladjusted individual such as you lol