Not Classic The Hole Zem

[Baler]

Hell if you're going to do Not Classic Zem Changes,. just go all in.

Rotate the hot zones with ZEM buffs,. This week it's the hole, next week it's kedge keep.

Please? Just move it around weekly or monthly. restart the server monthly, no one will be bad.

(title was to attract people attention)

[Man0warr]

Why

[Bardp1999]

Go back to Erudin old man

[Sizar]

Don't think it will change now with Velious around the corner. Would be nice if it did change though cause the Hole is ass...

[Baler]

Why
Because it's already Not Classic, It would promote activity across norrath rather than crowding one or two places.

Don't think it will change now with Velious around the corner. Would be nice if it did change though cause the Hole is ass...

I hope they do consider adjusting the ZEMs again with velious launch.

[Arvan]

Hole buff was brilliant. Now those who want to farm seb for items arent also competing with the potentially 100s (green) people trying xp as fast as possible in the hole.

[myrddraal]

the hole has no loot. Going to it previously was like pulling teeth despite its still previously very good ZEM because "it's too hard to CR there." PS kedge already has an amazing ZEM and you should definitely go there.

[Jibartik]

haha good avatar baler, once again.

[Vheran]

I missed the Baler banhammer. RIP it was your time

[cd288]

What did he get banned for this time

[drackgon]

He didnt, its just his Avatar. And stop crying about ZEM. Be happy you can go to places and lvl, or go 2 places and farm gear. If your burnt out of Hole/Kedge/Perma bear pits/Guards/Neriak Arena/HHK. Tough, go to Kunark and farm gear and get ur nearly 0 xp while farming gear. It means I go to lower guk and only a handful of farmers here. or Seb. Instead of zone full of farmers fighting with those trying to XP.

Bonus Kedge has great loot and great xp. So live there:)

[cd288]

Ah I got excited my bad

[Baler]

I missed the Baler banhammer. RIP it was your time
What did he get banned for this time
https://i.imgur.com/x73YJes.gif

haha good avatar baler, once again.
tyty :)

I like to change it up, That one you were calling good, is classic bait.

[Dolalin]

ZEMs are way better than they used to be. I did reverse-engineer the classic ZEMs based on research, but there's merit in getting people to go to places like Perma with the reward of higher ZEMs.

Also, let's be honest here, the classic levelling speed is a bit too slow for 30- and 40-something family guys with a few hours a week to play, like most of us are.

[Fammaden]

Also, let's be honest here, the classic levelling speed is a bit too slow for 30- and 40-something family guys with a few hours a week to play, like most of us are.

I agree. Can we tone down the xp loss on death too? And maybe increase the base run speed, I don't have time as a busy dad to run across these big ass zones. Or PoK books would be good, let's be honest who has time for any of this shit.

[Vivitron]

there's merit in getting people to go to places like Perma with the reward of higher ZEMs.

Perma always makes me think about zone-wide and all-era zems being too broad. For lowbies the current high zem was enough to make it worthwhile for my set group to explore, which I appreciated, but not high enough to rule out the other zones; it's about right. But then the bear pits piggy back that zem, which is arguably too high for early Kunark leveling, then about right post Hole.

Take Lower Guk. The minos and br never need a low ZEM, and the whole place could probably see better use if its zem were raised post Kunark.

[NPC]

Xp in general is way too low for a lot of high level zones, back in the day the xp was way better for a lot of Kunark zones. If we want classic, Seb should be double the xp it currently is. Raptors in TD xp should be x4 higher. They lowered Seb xp so favored guilds could farm in peace? Wtf? Karnor xp is dead on, but the Hands in Karnor, jail, an basement should be 1.5 more exp than they are giving now. Wack azz server, classic xp grinding was not like this 50-60, 57-60 should be this brutal, not 51-56, should be way easier. Perma is trash, bear pits hold 1 group an 1-2 solo? Good luck getting there and CR or rez. More custom settings to favor the current flavor they want to give their idea of classic. I guess the pull from LIVE TLP servers setting can't be done? Because those aren't truly set to classic? I hear they removed classic zones, updated them with the new zones yet call them TLP? I mean what the azz? The old zones are on the F-ing discs. So let me get this straight, they made LIVE TLP but are too lazy to make true dedicated TLP with all the actuall old zones and content, yet they want you to pay for them?
No wonder all they zones are jacked up, even the LIVE servers got it wrong.

[cd288]

Xp in general is way too low for a lot of high level zones, back in the day the xp was way better for a lot of Kunark zones. If we want classic, Seb should be double the xp it currently is. Raptors in TD xp should be x4 higher. They lowered Seb xp so favored guilds could farm in peace? Wtf? Karnor xp is dead on, but the Hands in Karnor, jail, an basement should be 1.5 more exp than they are giving now. Wack azz server, classic xp grinding was not like this 50-60, 57-60 should be this brutal, not 51-56, should be way easier. Perma is trash, bear pits hold 1 group an 1-2 solo? Good luck getting there and CR or rez. More custom settings to favor the current flavor they want to give their idea of classic. I guess the pull from LIVE TLP servers setting can't be done? Because those aren't truly set to classic? I hear they removed classic zones, updated them with the new zones yet call them TLP? I mean what the azz? The old zones are on the F-ing discs, they are too lazy to make true dedicated TLP yet they want you to pay for them?
No wonder all they zones are jacked up, even the LIVE servers got it wrong.

I mean that’s definitely not correct about post-51. It was definitely this brutal. It’s why they later made changes to it (I think either in PoP or Luclin?).

Your other stuff is just baseless claims with no evidence. If you have evidence out it in the bug forum

[NPC]

I mean that’s definitely not correct about post-51. It was definitely this brutal. It’s why they later made changes to it (I think either in PoP or Luclin?).

Your other stuff is just baseless claims with no evidence. If you have evidence out it in the bug forum

Its all 100% correct, I start p1999 5-6 months ago, before that I last played EQ 18 years ago. Everyone playing these private servers or current live got it all twisted, my experience was not infected, contaminated with the current BS. I power leveled a paladin to 50th level in less than a week(2-3 days) 18 years ago so I knew the best xp on the servers, current Xp is wack across the board, ZEMS included.
I tried to recreate the exact experience I had 20 years ago, and it's nothing like it was, Experience, zone population, loot, its all wack to some degree. Hell, level 1-5 should be a breeze an holy F-ck it is NOT on this server. So much so, I would not bother with quest item exp until I got 3rd-4th level back in the day.
I'm not gonna forget killing Treants in South Karana, getting 4-5% a kill, quadding raptors in TD getting 9-10% a quad. Killing a Spectre with 17th level paladin getting almost a full level per kill. Grinding multiple characters 50-60 in what used to be the best zones that are now complete trash. Got my epic solo, guildless. Made 500k MQ jboots out of South Ro, P1999 south Ro? Wack spawns, should be specific triggered spawns, not on P1999.
P1999 server? Treants give about half the xp they should, raptors give like 1/8th or less xp than they should, but should have 5k hps, not 3500. Only 1 Vicious Raptor should be spawning and Dinus only spawns there. P1999 has 3 Vicious Raptors. Vicious Raptors should have 5500-6k hps. Dinus 6k-7k. All of that is wrong on P1999.

[Tewaz]

I remember it taking about 2.5 hours per blue in 54 on live in 2001 during Velious. Of course we were exping at a tiny camp in Velks and probably killing like 15-20 mobs per hour in a group of 6 lol.

Anyone else remember a "camp" being literally 4-8 spawns? HHK had a group in each room in the goblin area killing a few spawns and I thought exp was insanely quick there.

[NPC]

I remember it taking about 2.5 hours per blue in 54 on live in 2001 during Velious. Of course we were exping at a tiny camp in Velks and probably killing like 15-20 mobs per hour in a group of 6 lol.

Anyone else remember a "camp" being literally 4-8 spawns? HHK had a group in each room in the goblin area killing a few spawns and I thought exp was insanely quick there.

HHK was for chumps, treants, even in a group, you would make a level an hour. That camp actually got me to keep playing, I was ready to quit till I saw the insanity of Treants exp an loot. Literally game changing. Even at the higher levels, 2-3 hours in the right zone and the right camp you could make half a level in the right group 50-60. Problem is the game was full of chumps, and now the chumps run the servers.

[Zuranthium]

Killing a Spectre with 17th level paladin getting almost a full level per kill.

This shows you are bullshitting. First of all, no Paladin in Classic EQ was able to kill a Spectre at level 17. Secondly, exp was capped at 10% max for a single kill.

[cd288]

HHK was for chumps, treants, even in a group, you would make a level an hour. That camp actually got me to keep playing, I was ready to quit till I saw the insanity of Treants exp an loot. Literally game changing. Even at the higher levels, 2-3 hours in the right zone and the right camp you could make half a level in the right group 50-60. Problem is the game was full of chumps, and now the chumps run the servers.

No you couldn’t lol

Seems like this is a bigsham or recondojoe alt account, just making things up

[Sizar]

This shows you are bullshitting. First of all, no Paladin in Classic EQ was able to kill a Spectre at level 17. Secondly, exp was capped at 10% max for a single kill.

Yah I smell serious BS there.

[Blingy]

Yah I smell serious BS there.

Since it's on the internet it must be true. Haha

[NPC]

This shows you are bullshitting. First of all, no Paladin in Classic EQ was able to kill a Spectre at level 17. Secondly, exp was capped at 10% max for a single kill.

It was Luclin era when I twinked the paladin, and he was buffed up the azz. When I was doing this I used 60th level wizard to soften up the Spectre, nuke it down very low, snare it, then log out and quickly log in my paladin. He could barely keep it from regen life an kill. Exp was not capped, he was getting half level per spec kill. I used Greater Light stone quest to 9th level instantly, cause you stopped getting exp around 9-10th level on LIVE. P99 you can go to 17-18th level with the greater Light stone quest. Pally soloed red orcs in Highpass till 17th, then he did specs till 33rd level then moved on to Luclin spawns doing the same. My pally on LIVE hit 50th level in like 3 days

I originally played Wizard in classic, I made 40th level in less than a month when I first started playing, FYI. Treants were insane exp on Live, went from 22nd level(grouped) to 32nd(Solo) in less than a week. But on LIVE Treants would only take you to 32nd level, then exp stopped. On P99 I stayed at Treants to 39th level but made 1/4 exp per kill I made on LIVE, the exp tables on P99 way off. Exp seemed to spike much more on LIVE depending on mob level compared to your own, where P99 its lower exp but it can drag on for twice as many levels. Treants go to 28th level max but my wizard was getting exp on P99 till 39th level, that should not be. I should not be getting exp after 33rd level off a 28th level mob, but on lower levels you should be getting more exp over all. Their formula is wrong, I was never able to stay at a camp on LIVE for 19 levels, I think everyone can agree on that.

[NPC]

Basically on LIVE even level mobs would give you more exp than on P99, but that mob would stop giving you exp if you are 5 level over its level. On P99 you get less exp for even level mobs but you can keep killing those same mobs for 10 levels or so. On LIVE this forced players to keep exploring for new hunting grounds, which I remember vividly needing to keep looking for new spots. P99 is watering down the old school feel.

[cd288]

Basically on LIVE even level mobs would give you more exp than on P99, but that mob would stop giving you exp if you are 5 level over its level. On P99 you get less exp for even level mobs but you can keep killing those same mobs for 10 levels or so. On LIVE this forced players to keep exploring for new hunting grounds, which I remember vividly needing to keep looking for new spots. P99 is watering down the old school feel.

Sounds like you should go play on a different server