Who is the best car/truck manufacturer?

[Gravydoo II]

There are a ton of car makers these days. Im going with the Le Mans winners and current champion of all terrains, fighting forces, and just a good fucking product. Toyota. Woo!

[Cecily]

That thing got a hemi in it?

[Albanwr]

That thing got a hemi in it?

As an owner of multiple Hemi equipped vehicles, they are great until they are not. They do not last for shit. The "Hemi tick" sucks ass, the lifters are garbage. The bolts for the header are complete crap and will always break.

If you get 80k miles out of the Hemi before the ticking drives you mad you are doing well.

I bought a 2020 Ram 1500 and that truck is beyond a doubt the best "luxury" truck out there. The fit and finish on the interior is better than all but the top end German luxury vehicles.

However, the Hemi is the biggest let down these days.

But to answer the OPs question, I would say either Toyota or Subaru.

[Gravydoo II]

Ive seen a few of those dumped off of a wrecker with broken timing chains, too.

[Evia]

Subaru or Toyota.

Honda and Hyundai not far behind though with Nissan rounding out for 5th spot.

[HalflingSpergand]

Toyota,zero competition

[GinnasP99]

Voted toyota. I drive a camry, it's good.

[Pulgasari]

Toyotas make good technicals.

[Danth]

Subaru or Toyota.

Honda and Hyundai not far behind though with Nissan rounding out for 5th spot.

Hyundai seems like it's on an upswing. Its Genesis brand has received practically none but rave reviews since launching as its own marque a few years ago.

Nissan has been really bad for awhile now to the point where they're in some financial trouble. Don't assume it's good simply because it comes from Japan; they're perfectly capable of building junk, too. Honda's kind of coasting on its laurels the past 15 years or so. It's kind of where GM was circa 1970, already past its peak but not yet having really launched a disaster. Hopefully for their sake they never have their version of the Citation.

Nothing with a CVT is very good. The Japanese automakers have gone for those in a big way lately, but that's because it saves THEM money, not because it gives the customer a better product (it doesn't). Those things always have a shortened lifespan relative to a conventional transmission, kind of inherent to 'em. They use 'em because it can make the difference between selling a car at a profit vs. break-even or for a loss in an incredibly competitive segment. I don't necessarily blame 'em; too many unfunded mandates these days makes it hard to build stuff that can sell profitably in the lower segments.

From among the Europeans I rate Mercedes a bit higher than BMW and either higher than Audi. Volvo went from being owned by Ford (bad) to being owned by the Chinese (worse) so suffice it to say they aren't what they used to be.

Of the domestics, it's turning into a joke even calling them "automakers" anymore. They're gradually abandoning the auto segment entirely in favor of going all-in on trucks. That'll no doubt work real well for 'em if fuel prices stay high for awhile. Clearly the current truck fad could never end, no way we'd have a repeat of what happened in 2000-2008.


Danth

[Evia]

I agree with you Danth on CVT. I hate them too. It's really my only gripe about my subaru. I know Nissan is in hot water for their 'jUNKo' transmissions but my wife's cube is approaching 200k miles and we have only had to change the oil so far. I know it's due for a few things we should get on but it's still running great.

[Danth]

I agree with you Danth on CVT. I hate them too. It's really my only gripe about my subaru. I know Nissan is in hot water for their 'jUNKo' transmissions but my wife's cube is approaching 200k miles and we have only had to change the oil so far. I know it's due for a few things we should get on but it's still running great.

I warned you about the CVT. They're alright for some usages, like riding lawnmowers, but somewhat out of place in cars IMO. The Cube's a perfectly good little car, I agree. It's also been out of production for awhile; Nissan's problems are somewhat more recent. I expect they'll turn it around.

On a related note, I find it somehow hilarious that Chrysler first got bought by Fiat, and now merged with Peugeot. It's as if unreliability attracts itself.

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I'm a little jealous that you can LIKE things like the Cube or a Subaru. I get in them and they feel so dreary and spartan. My idea of nice vehicles is 60's and 70's-style luxury cars with soft rides and plush seats. Can't find anything like that anymore; the last gasp of that style died out in the early 90's. Cost-cutting and the move to international platforms killed the American car.

Danth

[Cen]

It's between Toyota, Subaru and Honda for me. Same shit, all good.

[FatherSioux]

Poll should be what type of car do you drive.

[HalflingSpergand]

I drive a ford but i think Toyota is easily the best manufacturer

[Evia]

Haha I love my subarus interior so much with the exception of this plasticy silver trim around the center console. It looks ok now but I feel like it's not going to age well. While my seats are definitely not those plush cushioning bench style seats from those old rides, it is pretty comfortable. Primarily because of its impressive shock absorption. The ride is butter smooth it's incredible. My father in law has a Mercedes and he was so impressed at how luxurious the ride felt for a little sedan.

My car is overly autonomous though and I can really see how that would aggravate or be a negative to real car enthusiasts. I hated driving before I bought my car but now I really enjoy it and it's primarily because of how the car basically drives itself with the eyesight tech.

The cube on the other hand I'm not a big fan of but my wife adores it. I like that it's been a reliable little thing, it's easy to park and the visibility when driving in it is the best I've ever experienced in any car. But it drives like a go-kart lol.

I'm wondering if it's a good idea to invest in an all electric vehicle now though or wait a few more years? A lot more interesting all electric vehicles coming out now.

[Gravydoo II]

Little cars are the most fun. You cannot experience pushing the limit of a 500 hp v8 on the road without risking jail. In a little 1.x all low to the ground, taking corner at 20 mph feels amazing. lol I forget what that is called, it has a name. Something like "usable performance".

I had a racecar, its useless. It only really got going in 2 cause first was just smoke and sideways. You grab 3rd, you're doing double over. Grab 4th, your car can be impounded, you will be jailed, license suspended. 5th gear might as well not even stop cause its a forgone conclusion. You're fucked.

Get one that can turn, at least.

[Gravydoo II]

This is also pretty deep, but interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9NMElYw_5k&t=1489s&ab_channel=RichardHoldener

Are we approaching the end of the 2nd generation of muscle cars/bigass v8's etc.

[Mblake1981]

Little cars are the most fun. You cannot experience pushing the limit of a 500 hp v8 on the road without risking jail. In a little 1.x all low to the ground, taking corner at 20 mph feels amazing. lol I forget what that is called, it has a name. Something like "usable performance".

I had a racecar, its useless. It only really got going in 2 cause first was just smoke and sideways. You grab 3rd, you're doing double over. Grab 4th, your car can be impounded, you will be jailed, license suspended. 5th gear might as well not even stop cause its a forgone conclusion. You're fucked.

Get one that can turn, at least.

Everything you say makes sense and I think that is my problem with it. We all know these things but we don't talk on it, its weird stuff. I have encountered these talking points before online and I always feel dirty after reading them.

How far into hormone therapy are you :o

[Toxigen]

its mercedes benz and it isnt even fucking close - maybe BMW b/c the M3 is still one of my all time favs

F1 championship team, beautiful cars

i just bought and C43 amg and it is by far the best vehicle ive ever owned - now i want a C63

if you're voting hyundai / subaru / etc you have a vagina or you're not a car guy

[Gravydoo II]

mercedes be doing sleezy shit like making the brake pad ride the rotor just below the edge so it leaves a lip. They dont turn rotors and now the new pad wont sit flat, gotta replace all the rotors. What should have been 100 bucks is now a shit load more. Demanding an alignment that eats the inside of tires because its cambered the fuck out for stuff most people will just never ever do. Service light a, service light b... lol. Only dealer can turn them off. Watch em when the lift picks up the car, its literally hugging the ground. The tires move sideways before they move upwards with the lift.

They make some sweet cars but they say crazy shit at the dealer to people who dont know better. That is my PERSONAL experience with them, does not mean the entire company is shit or their cars are not good. A cars a car, a mechanics a mechanic, and a service advisor can be a fucking piece of shit liar, too.

[Evia]

Mercedes have incredible interiors and I hear they have some of the most elite and advanced tech, but don’t they have reliability concerns these days? Most everything I’ve read has them ranked middle to lower end of the pack in reliability scores.


Edit: Mazda is a brand that deserves a positive mention.

[Toxigen]

Mercedes have incredible interiors and I hear they have some of the most elite and advanced tech, but don’t they have reliability concerns these days? Most everything I’ve read has them ranked middle to lower end of the pack in reliability scores.


Edit: Mazda is a brand that deserves a positive mention.

like i said

if you arent a true car guy you wont understand

my new whip literally brings a smile to my face every time i get in it

[Shawk]

its mercedes benz and it isnt even fucking close - maybe BMW b/c the M3 is still one of my all time favs

F1 championship team, beautiful cars

i just bought and C43 amg and it is by far the best vehicle ive ever owned - now i want a C63

if you're voting hyundai / subaru / etc you have a vagina or you're not a car guy

I like how you just explained how much of a douche bag you are.

Well.. further explained how much of a douche bag you are.

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/P1GI7x5.jpg

[Shawk]

Edit: Mazda is a brand that deserves a positive mention.

[Swish]

Mercedes have incredible interiors and I hear they have some of the most elite and advanced tech, but don’t they have reliability concerns these days? Most everything I’ve read has them ranked middle to lower end of the pack in reliability scores.


Edit: Mazda is a brand that deserves a positive mention.

Mercedes parts/tyres are ridiculous in cost. On that alone I wouldn't buy one.

[hobart]

I assume for the Off-Topic crowd we're voting on who made the best cars 10+ years ago?

Very happy with my Volvo. Feature for feature I think it's the best deal for a European luxury car.

[Gravydoo II]

More mazda's race on sunday than any other car maker. Mazda has real pedigree for racing. All the miatas and mx5's are ready to hit the track, right now. They are really something. Its like you're sitting on the back axle, very go-cart like. I should have added them. They kinda fall under ford though. Mazda and ford were together until 2015, now its doing its own thing as its own entity.

[Gustoo]

Its not really a competition when it comes to Toyota vs others for competitive products. Unfortunately Toyota doesn't make a suburban length vehicle (only tahoe length) and the don't make 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, or duallys.

But anything they do make is superior. The transmissions very very seldom fail vs regularly fail and the engines are the same.

Chevrolet trucks are easy and affordable to fix, but a high miles toyota truck seldom needs anything besides oil changes and basic wear and tear and a chevy will have needed a fuel pump, a tranny or two, maybe an new engine to get to 300k.

[Patriam1066]

I voted Honda because I love VTech, but I currently own a Toyota and a Tesla and Toyota makes superb vehicles

Tesla sucks ass, Elon delenda est

[Gravydoo II]

Man I seen a tesla pull up the other day, passenger door opens, girl gets out and walks away. Nobody else was in the car. Was I just not seeing the other person or they can do that?

[starkind]

Man I seen a tesla pull up the other day, passenger door opens, girl gets out and walks away. Nobody else was in the car. Was I just not seeing the other person or they can do that?

u mean can a girl autonomoously drive a tesla?

probably, but seems risky to not have the drivercontrols incase necccissary

[Jibartik]

Ford has been like 12$ a share for like 5 years, i feel like its worth more than that...

I wonder if goverment handouts are going to send this stock flying?

They are announcing a new EV truck tomorrow, interested anyone?

Or is ford a lame duck?

[Gravydoo II]

Ford is an enormous economic power house. They are moving with the times. Change or die. Thats is interesting. Less weight = more power. Im all for it. 100% torque at 0 rpm is game changing. The mach-e is a bad bitch.

[HalflingSpergand]

It would need to be like a car truck not a real truck. Batteries can't run a real truck yet or possibly ever. I don't think you guys realize the power and longevity a gasoline or diesel engine offers.

[Mblake1981]

Ford is an enormous economic power house. They are moving with the times. Change or die. Thats is interesting. Less weight = more power. Im all for it. 100% torque at 0 rpm is game changing. The mach-e is a bad bitch.

This man has no testicles.

how dare you praise a kitchen appliance and not be joking. It can do 0-200 in 1 second for all I care. Cart carrying the horse mentality, its so strange and weird. Truly a modern man with his head fully inserted up his own rear.

Same people that get off on Stadia, the next gen console or anything mobile. You make me sick and I think you a disgrace. :o

[Byue]

I've had a Mazda 3 hatchback the year they got released.
Drives well but broke down very fast but this may be due to it being my first car.

I then bought a toyota rav4 and that was a mistake.
That shit is unkillable but it drives like shit and reacts even worse but I still think toyota is great. All these million kilometers camry out there.

And then I bought a mini cooper S john cooper work and this is my car, still.
6 speeds. 300 horsepower on a car that has the wheels in the corners of the car so it handle like a go kart, is very fast and great for the city.

Comfortable but I don't think this is a very good car.
It's breaking down randomly.
It's a fun car though but only if you plan on being in the city a lot.

I'm not in the market for a car but I think if I had to buy one, i'd go for a volvo and if price was of no concern, I'd go for a Bentley. (that night sky interior is siiiiiiiiick!)

P.S: I would like a peugeot, great cars but not for the northern climate I fear.


You make me sick and I think you a disgrace. :o

Nothing screams I love freedom, I AM A RIGHT WINGER! like being physically sick from what other people do with their freedom and disgrace them because of their choices.

[Mblake1981]

Because of computers a modern vehicle is about as bland as can be. A mode for every occasion, removing the need of any real cars for a real purpose (other than pure track use). The cool factor of a special edition or some new super charger technology (going back to drag racing) is replaced by a battery you don't touch nor do you tamper with the motors. How interesting is that? literally no hassle at all. Just get in and go!..

E-Vehicles are the iPhone of the computer world.

Are desktops and old push-rod V8's a bunch of dinosaurs in the past? Sure they are! but you will never ever be as cool as any one of them. You are a womans device. :o

[Mblake1981]

Nothing screams I love freedom, I AM A RIGHT WINGER! like being physically sick from what other people do with their freedom and disgrace them because of their choices.

It's my freedom to say so, the freedom you only have because we are here (you don't really have it, you ride the coat tails). The people you make fun of. It doesn't come from you, you big ugly, dumb fat stupid troll of a fake maple leaf :o

[Byue]

It's my freedom to say so, the freedom you only have because we are here (you don't really have it, you ride the coat tails). The people you make fun of. It doesn't come from you, you big ugly, dumb fat stupid troll of a fake maple leaf :o

Next you are going to tell me soldiers dies for human rights.

Actually, our rights are born when we use them and they die when we stop defending them.

I know you got nothing wrong on you, and you can show the cops your bag: it has nothing in it but I don't have to, it's illegal.


At any rate, your car analogy is great but like, it applies to everything.
Did you build your house?
Boring.
Did you build your electronics like a real man back in the day?
Fucking... boring.

Did you just order foo instead of making it like a grown adult? wow that is very boring.


Cars don't really serve a purpose other than transportation.
There is a severe trend in American automaker losing part of the pie.
Something about either you think you are the best, or you innovate.

[Mblake1981]

Next you are going to tell me soldiers dies for human rights.

Actually, our rights are born when we use them and they die when we stop defending them.

I know you got nothing wrong on you, and you can show the cops your bag: it has nothing in it but I don't have to, it's illegal.


At any rate, your car analogy is great but like, it applies to everything.
Did you build your house?
Boring.
Did you build your electronics like a real man back in the day?
Fucking... boring.

Did you just order foo instead of making it like a grown adult? wow that is very boring.


Cars don't really serve a purpose other than transportation.
There is a severe trend in American automaker losing part of the pie.
Something about either you think you are the best, or you innovate.

Read it all,

:o

Everything you say makes sense and I think that is my problem with it. We all know these things but we don't talk on it, its weird stuff. I have encountered these talking points before online and I always feel dirty after reading them.

How far into hormone therapy are you :o

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[Patriam1066]

It would need to be like a car truck not a real truck. Batteries can't run a real truck yet or possibly ever. I don't think you guys realize the power and longevity a gasoline or diesel engine offers.

What makes you say this?

[HalflingSpergand]

Intuition

[Mblake1981]

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-ford-electric-truck-f150-test-drive-dearborn-michigan-visit-2021-5

The new president is such a shill for cooperate hand outs to antiquated giant rich old money owned corporations who have fallen so behind in the free market, he now just appears in their car commercials for free.

Literally fuck this guy

https://i.imgur.com/3BG2vuT.png

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[Patriam1066]

Intuition

Electric motors have more instantaneous torque and fewer moving parts. Idk man, the batteries certainly are limiting, but I think you’re wrong about this one

[Mblake1981]

Electric motors have more instantaneous torque and fewer moving parts. Idk man, the batteries certainly are limiting, but I think you’re wrong about this one

A cage is also limiting, for kids. Those #kidsincages I am reminding you of right now. :o

[Jibartik]

if you look at EV where they are today, compared to where they were 30 years ago, I think it's safe to say they will be standard 30 years from now.

But 10 years ago this year I predicted we'd have automated cars driving by now and I was wrong (and am waiting to find out it will be another 10 at this point losing all my faith in it)

[Mblake1981]

Standard for secretaries, like the mustang until they made a hi performance model. Then Steve McQueen made Bullet.

Who is even cool enough to pull off an EV chase these days? The Rock.. Steve Buscemi?? :mad:

Not Cool :mad:

FJZ-BHBKyos

[HalflingSpergand]

Electric motors have more instantaneous torque and fewer moving parts. Idk man, the batteries certainly are limiting, but I think you’re wrong about this one
Unless battery technology changes drastically it's nothing but a nerds fantasy

Imagine the battery power you would need to haul 30000 pounds up a 10 percent grade for literally hours on end. Trust me its not happening when you can purchase a truck that can do that today on craigslist for under 10k$

They are not even fucking close yet.

The truck they are going to come out with will be some powder puff bull shit that can't do what a truck needs to do

[HalflingSpergand]

Thats 3 full grown african elephants

[Baler]

Poll should have been multiple choice.

Voted Toyota (not lexus),
Would have also voted Subaru.

That said there are some vehicles that are just better than others from other manufacturers. But if I had to lump all their vehicles together and determine who is the most reliable. It would be those two.

Ford and Chevy do have a few good vehicles in their past.
Nissan in the past made affordable cars with plastic bodies, they were pretty good imo. Modern day, I don't know where they'd land.

[Mblake1981]

The truck they are going to come out with will be some powder puff bull shit that can't do what a truck needs to do


All the places they are used, the way they are used right now. You know, in the land of shit-eating suck-ville.. the village of the damned most of us call the real world.

Besides, there is nothing for a man to be passionate about with EV's. It's the same argument I have about consoles and mobile phones. Convenience that ultimately robs the very interest I have in messing with the thing is self defeating. It's madness to continue if I like it. :o

[Gravydoo II]

You mean never haul anything like in america?

[Danth]

It's the same argument I have about consoles and mobile phones. Convenience that ultimately robs the very interest I have in messing with the thing is self defeating. It's madness to continue if I like it. :o

...Not to mention most EVs coincidentally happen to be rolling surveillance systems. Teslas are so bad in that respect they even make the camera-loving Chinese uncomfortable. I have no interest in ever buying or owning a car that spies on everything I do. I'll buy a horse and buggy first. I have nothing against electric motors. Railroads have been using them to good effect since the WW2 era. Anything with a battery in it will always suck, though. I don't care how fast an electric car can go. Out in the real world all cars go the same speed anyway because they're all limited by the same traffic laws. I'll be happier when they can run the same distance and refuel as quickly and not suffer crippling worn-out battery replacement cost in not a lot of years.

Quality-wise, thread isn't really "what have you owned?" Well, at least not for everyone. The wife and I have owned Buicks, Cadillacs, and the odd Lincoln most of our lives but I wouldn't regard any of them as the best-quality builder. Rather, I accept owning a lesser-quality vehicle if it's something I actually want to sit inside as opposed to driving around in a well-built sardine can that I detest. I can live with turning a ratchet once in awhile.

Danth

[Mblake1981]

You mean never haul anything like in america?

Yeah, lifted at the mall and crawling it hard. :o

Edit: 4-door 'lady jeeps' are a kick to the nads but reveal a truth.

[Jibartik]

I’d like to see a remake of Ronan but with all electric vehicles making shitty quiet ev engine noises and LCK plays DeNeros character

[Gravydoo II]

I dont see what all the crying is about. Wow, you wont have screaming exhaust anymore. So what? Yeah its not loud but its fast, pretty much free to operate. Not seeing the down side here. Dont get me wrong, the 787b, 2-3-4 rotor engines, judd v10's, judd v8's, 2 stroke diesels, etc.. they sound AMAZING but so what. Things change. Horses farted and shit everywhere for 2000 years. I think we're moving in the right direction. All I see is "these darn modern cars dont even make sounds like banging coconut halfs together! preposterous!"

[Mblake1981]

I dont see what all the crying is about. Wow, you wont have screaming exhaust anymore. So what? Yeah its not loud but its fast, pretty much free to operate. Not seeing the down side here. Dont get me wrong, the 787b, 2-3-4 rotor engines, judd v10's, judd v8's, 2 stroke diesels, etc.. they sound AMAZING but so what. Things change. Horses farted and shit everywhere for 2000 years. I think we're moving in the right direction. All I see is "these darn modern cars dont even make sounds like banging coconut halfs together! preposterous!"

I see your point but it's bad and even worse to openly support such. It honestly does sound like something a girlfriend would argue with me.

"silly guy stuff" is how it reads. You have no testicles. :o

[Gravydoo II]

<~~ had a racecar. Built my racecar from boxes of parts from another mans garage. You got a picture of a race car, thats cool.

I suggest you watch the cash days with the tesla. They are banned from street races against IC because they win so often. They had to CANCEL the tesla on the streets because the IC car's couldnt compete.

[Mblake1981]

<~~ had a racecar. Built my racecar from boxes of parts from another mans garage. You got a picture of a race car, thats cool.

I suggest you watch the cash days with the tesla. They are banned from street races against IC because they win so often. They had to CANCEL the tesla on the streets because the IC car's couldnt compete.

First, that is awesome. And yes, I do. I really like that photo. I think its cool. I'm sure you do too, with your background.

I have followed teslas since the roadster, I am not ignorant. Its the same argument as Flappy Paddle transmissions, guy. They are faster and better in all ways yet they are not. It doesn't matter how fast they are. I can get all my doors blown clean off but I still hold my head up. You have removed the man from the equation at this point.

I grew up around racing, most things I associate with them come from somewhere on that side of the fence. Going the fastest was the point, so you are correct, the Teslas are fast and to my point, flappy paddle transmissions are fast. But I don't care to watch them. They have removed the things interesting to me.

Telling you, its going to make all vehicles basically the same. They are already like that in some ways. Windows 10 will be last OS from Microsoft, they just roll out updates.

Computers made them bland.

[HalflingSpergand]

Obviously regardless of what's fastest obviously you're going to race in class obviously

[HalflingSpergand]

They were talking about fords new truck anyways not which remote control car zooms faster

[starkind]

My favorite car was a 1981 BMW, ill admit they are shit now and everything since from other manufacturers is basically a knock off. However Nissan easily wins wars.

[Mblake1981]

Obviously regardless of what's fastest obviously you're going to race in class obviously

Some guys street race their electric cars, no class there. I mean if you want to argue about it..:o

[HalflingSpergand]

Ya that is dumb

[Gravydoo II]

First, that is awesome. And yes, I do. I really like that photo. I think its cool. I'm sure you do too, with your background.

I have followed teslas since the roadster, I am not ignorant. Its the same argument as Flappy Paddle transmissions, guy. They are faster and better in all ways yet they are not. It doesn't matter how fast they are. I can get all my doors blown clean off but I still hold my head up. You have removed the man from the equation at this point.

I grew up around racing, most things I associate with them come from somewhere on that side of the fence. Going the fastest was the point, so you are correct, the Teslas are fast and to my point, flappy paddle transmissions are fast. But I don't care to watch them. They have removed the things interesting to me.

Telling you, its going to make all vehicles basically the same. They are already like that in some ways. Windows 10 will be last OS from Microsoft, they just roll out updates.

Computers made them bland.

Whoa whoa. You removed the man from the equation when they sat down in a vehicle and started an engine they didnt build connected to turbos they didnt build to a transmission they didnt build to a clutch, driveshaft, rear end, axles, wheels and tires they didnt build. Like, you cant have it both ways. Its OK to prefer one over the other. Its not wrong or right. EV is simply the future though.

The fastest pike peaks vehicle is an EV, now. You seen it? Its so fucking COOL. No power loss at altitude instead of 30% like everyone else.

Vehicles are all the same as it is. With a battery pack and motors you can move weight where you want, make any shape, you're no longer trapped in the
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V8>>>---- type configuration. Crazy configurations are going to start coming out.
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I understand the driving experience is important to you. Getting that shift right, riding the edge of traction etc.. Its fun.

[Baler]

Some guys street race their electric cars, no class there. I mean if you want to argue about it..:o

electric is all torque which for mid range is amazing, quick start/acceleration and decent 0-60. But for high end racing electric isn't there yet.

Hopefully you can see why people brag about their electric cars, ya know because they're not enthusiast racers. :)

[Mblake1981]

electric is all torque which for mid range is amazing, quick start/acceleration and decent 0-60. But high end racving electric isn't there yet.

Hopefully you can see why people brag about their electric cars, ya know because they're not enthusiast racers. :)

omg, just talk to me like I am a level 1 hedge mage noob why don't you. It's not lost on me, safe and practical, feel good. Vegan leather.. heh.

I am just laughing at you, and you should understand. I had a guy defend owning a Prius once, but he had a good attitude about it. :o

[Baler]

omg, just talk to me like I am a level 1 hedge mage noob why don't you. It's not lost on me, safe and practical, feel good. Vegan leather.. heh.

I am just laughing at you, and you should understand. I had a guy defend owning a Prius once, but he had a good attitude about it. :o

I was trying to be respectful, your signature gives me vibes that you care for enthusiast level racing. I meant no disrespect sir. I apologize for explaining it like you're five. Sometimes people learn from posts directed at others (for face value).

I would not even consider a prius mid level. lol

[Mblake1981]

Fair enough.

I don't come from money or consider vehicles to be jewelry. I can appreciate it though but could never live that life with ease. I come from a family of hell raising country drunks that parked 57 chevies between pine trees.

[Baler]

Fair enough.

I don't come from money or consider vehicles to be jewelry. I can appreciate it though but could never live that life with ease. I come from a family of hell raising country drunks that parked 57 chevies between pine trees.

I got a missing floor board under my computer desk and an old rusty junker on blocks in the front yard. May be cut from a similar cloth. ;)

[Gravydoo II]

Don Garlits has done over 200 on EV. I think hes the only big tire EV out there. The rest all would race in a backet around 8.50-9.50 or "small tire". They could probably get away with like street, super street, like fit into several classes. It seems cheap and OP but whys it not OP for the guy with 2000 hp, big tire car, puts on radials and now its a "small tire" car? Oh and now its in your class. lol

Like, ive been SLAUGHTEREDD by some cars that were back halfed, full tube, blow thru turbos and shit, no radiator, cooled by methanol, cant sit in traffic but they had a 28 on the back so they are "small tire" now. Not very fair! Thats how it goes though. My level of involvement wasnt like theirs, thats all. Had to just accept the loss and try to win the lottery next time. lol

Alls im sayin is, its nice to see the underdog really with less than 600 hp, win. Its nice to see whats essentially 50k of boring car beat 150k of what seems to be powered by satan himself.

[Mblake1981]

Alls im sayin is, its nice to see the underdog really with less than 600 hp, win. Its nice to see whats essentially 50k of boring car beat 150k of what seems to be powered by satan himself.

A novelty at most. Coming to see an underdog defeat the champ is normal. But no one is coming to see the EV itself. Interest would also dwindle when EV takes over more.

"I got better hax than he has lol"

Edit: Joking aside, who is going to sponsor events.. Starbucks?

[Mblake1981]

culture benders. Would MadDog2020 ever sponsor an EV vehicle in a major race..no, it wouldn't. Maybe a box wine company, all those women will give you emotional support to go out there and do your best guy stuff.. or whatever. Who cares

https://i.imgur.com/XDyejor.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/H0sur1M.jpg

[Baler]

culture benders. Would MadDog2020 ever sponsor an EV vehicle in a major race..no, it wouldn't. Maybe a box wine company, all those women will give you emotional support to go out there and do your best guy stuff.. or whatever. Who cares

https://i.imgur.com/XDyejor.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/H0sur1M.jpg

If you ever wanted to talk Nascar I'd be happy to school everyone on why Dale Earnhardt was the #1 nascar driver of all time.

[Mblake1981]

If you ever wanted to talk Nascar I'd be happy to school everyone on why Dale Earnhardt was the #1 nascar driver of all time.

Well, he was certainly the last of that group of drivers. Nascar did change after his death and not for the better. Safer barriers, HANS device, Car of Tomorrow.. there hasn't been a fatality since. Smash the wall at 200 and get out dancing, meanwhile back in Dales days when you had something far minor you were pulled out of the car by EMS with broken bones.

It absolutely lessened the sport. F1 is the same way. At some point it became less about dare devils, thrill seekers and flat out ballsy fucks that pushed things to very safety conscious people who treat it like business.

Moonshine runner to White collar 'blue collar' sport. :o

Note: Death defiance is not supposed to be safe.

[Gravydoo II]

culture benders. Would MadDog2020 ever sponsor an EV vehicle in a major race..no, it wouldn't. Maybe a box wine company, all those women will give you emotional support to go out there and do your best guy stuff.. or whatever. Who cares

https://i.imgur.com/XDyejor.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/H0sur1M.jpg

No lie, I had that fucking car. The 2.3 turbo. LOL It got squashed in a shed during a hurricane. The lady who owned it thought it was dead, like buried in rubble. It was fine. Needed a wind shield. Then the turbo broke like a year later lol

[Baler]

Well, he was certainly the last of that group of drivers. Nascar did change after his death and not for the better. Safer barriers, HANS device, Car of Tomorrow.. there hasn't been a fatality since. Smash the wall at 200 and get out dancing, meanwhile back in Dales days when you had something far minor you were pulled out of the car by EMS with broken bones.

It absolutely lessened the sport. F1 is the same way. At some point it became less about dare devils, thrill seekers and flat out ballsy fucks that pushed things to very safety conscious people who treat it like business.

Moonshine runner to White collar 'blue collar' sport. :o

Note: Death defiance is not supposed to be safe.

I'm in complete agreeance and could not have said it better myself.
You hit on a few of the key notes. The sport changing, new safety practices and future cars.

No lie, I had that fucking car. The 2.3 turbo. LOL It got squashed in a shed during a hurricane. The lady who owned it thought it was dead, like buried in rubble. It was fine. Needed a wind shield. Then the turbo broke like a year later lol

That's ****ing awesome!

[Patriam1066]

Unless battery technology changes drastically it's nothing but a nerds fantasy

Imagine the battery power you would need to haul 30000 pounds up a 10 percent grade for literally hours on end. Trust me its not happening when you can purchase a truck that can do that today on craigslist for under 10k$

They are not even fucking close yet.

The truck they are going to come out with will be some powder puff bull shit that can't do what a truck needs to do

All the places they are used, the way they are used right now. You know, in the land of shit-eating suck-ville.. the village of the damned most of us call the real world.

Besides, there is nothing for a man to be passionate about with EV's. It's the same argument I have about consoles and mobile phones. Convenience that ultimately robs the very interest I have in messing with the thing is self defeating. It's madness to continue if I like it. :o

...Not to mention most EVs coincidentally happen to be rolling surveillance systems. Teslas are so bad in that respect they even make the camera-loving Chinese uncomfortable. I have no interest in ever buying or owning a car that spies on everything I do. I'll buy a horse and buggy first. I have nothing against electric motors. Railroads have been using them to good effect since the WW2 era. Anything with a battery in it will always suck, though. I don't care how fast an electric car can go. Out in the real world all cars go the same speed anyway because they're all limited by the same traffic laws. I'll be happier when they can run the same distance and refuel as quickly and not suffer crippling worn-out battery replacement cost in not a lot of years.

Quality-wise, thread isn't really "what have you owned?" Well, at least not for everyone. The wife and I have owned Buicks, Cadillacs, and the odd Lincoln most of our lives but I wouldn't regard any of them as the best-quality builder. Rather, I accept owning a lesser-quality vehicle if it's something I actually want to sit inside as opposed to driving around in a well-built sardine can that I detest. I can live with turning a ratchet once in awhile.

Danth

Yeah, agree with all of this. I hate my Tesla because: it sounds like shit. The model S is fast but it isn’t fun when I can’t hear it. V8s kick ass, a Tesla does not.

Definitely agree that batteries have a long way to go before were replacing a f-350 with EVs. And finally, by far my BIGGEST gripe with my Tesla (BIGLY) is what Danth said, it’s a fucking surveillance system. I’ve gone places without my phone as a test and I get ads for things based on my location. Maybe I’m missing something, but I feel quite certain it’s collecting data not just for the purpose of autonomous driving / GPS

[Toxigen]

Well, he was certainly the last of that group of drivers. Nascar did change after his death and not for the better. Safer barriers, HANS device, Car of Tomorrow.. there hasn't been a fatality since. Smash the wall at 200 and get out dancing, meanwhile back in Dales days when you had something far minor you were pulled out of the car by EMS with broken bones.

It absolutely lessened the sport. F1 is the same way. At some point it became less about dare devils, thrill seekers and flat out ballsy fucks that pushed things to very safety conscious people who treat it like business.

Moonshine runner to White collar 'blue collar' sport. :o

Note: Death defiance is not supposed to be safe.

Yeah but nascar was never close to F1.

[Mblake1981]

Yeah but nascar was never close to F1.

Sure sure.. just a bunch of hillbilly shits driving 3,000lb cars with souped up truck engines to well over 200mph, sustained. Less tire also.

Fucking sad, F1 driver too worried about breaking a canard or which setting his laptop steering wheel is set on.

Only take your hands off the wheel if your loose vagina has an itch. :o

The halo they use now is a testament to the pussification of men and our sports in general. Don't break a nail while staring the Devil in the eye.

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/qEB1fEY.png

[Wrekt]

I own a few vehicles, one of which is a Toyota. But, you guys are sleeping on Honda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLk_o3yqnvA

[hobart]

If you ever wanted to talk Nascar I'd be happy to school everyone on why Dale Earnhardt was the #1 nascar driver of all time.

If I want to talk about inbreeding and chewin' tobacco, can we talk about that too?

NASCAR is for Trump voters.

[Gravydoo II]

NASCAR dont even have traction control, its all manual. They dont even have fuel gauges and still use carbs. If someone if good, its because they can fucking drive. F1, you can have the best driver on earth but if the car sucks, he sucks. If the car is good and the driver sucks, it sucks. Only in nascar can you take a car that is average and make it shine. Gonna need a bit of luck but it happens, a lot.

[Mblake1981]

If I want to talk about inbreeding and chewin' tobacco, can we talk about that too?

NASCAR is for Trump voters.

Sure, but it will have to wait. I just got a booty call from that pig over behind the shed. :o

[Barik]

Toyota, it's not even close.

[Gravydoo II]

I'll break joey loganos jaw, too.

[Mblake1981]

Also if Nascar is for Trump voter then that means they are white collar corporate types with a bent for personal safety. Its not just for pig-fucking inbred anymore. Why any dip shit can get behind the wheel and walk out intact.

Going out with a blaze of glory just isn't responsible, you know.

[Mblake1981]

*pig squeels*

Yeeeeeeeeeeehawwwww!

596Wc0WDjAg

[Byue]

Sure sure.. just a bunch of hillbilly shits driving 3,000lb cars with souped up truck engines to well over 200mph, sustained. Less tire also.

Fucking sad, F1 driver too worried about breaking a canard or which setting his laptop steering wheel is set on.

Only take your hands off the wheel if your loose vagina has an itch. :o

The halo they use now is a testament to the pussification of men and our sports in general. Don't break a nail while staring the Devil in the eye.

It is really hard to dive in straight lines and soft curves around what look like an elongated 0.

And super easy on the body, a true testament on the

pussification of men and our sports in general F1 drivers can take a 90 degree angle at 130KM/H (81MP/H).

YOU don't fucking like F1, it is obvious but like, driving around a doughnut and calling yourself a race car driver is rich as fuck.

But in the same vein, they are racing, in very fast cars so they are, indeed, race car drivers.

Why do you gate keep something you can't even do yourself?

is this part of the pussification of men ?

[Mblake1981]

God, Byue you are a mouth breathing idiot.

I have a Senna print framed on my wall..

[Byue]

God, Byue you are a mouth breathing idiot.

I have a Senna print framed on my wall..


Well I am sorry to think you hate F1 drivers, have you seen your last 18 posts?
It'd be nice if your shit wasn't so opaque and you wouldn't get so upset when we can't know because well, unless you say how can we?

[Mblake1981]

Well I am sorry to think you hate F1 drivers, have you seen your last 18 posts?

I am sorry you continue to step up but don't have what it takes. :o

[Byue]

Someone must have really hurt you as a child for you to be so bitter.
Or as an adult, being rejected sting I get it.

But do you have to be so abrasive?

[Mblake1981]

Who likes dealing with morons, especially on the Internet where I don't owe you a damn thing, Byue.

You defaulted to message board pwning when you realized you bit off more than you can chew here and feel like a big dumb stupid idiot, which you are. Take notice next time, fool idiot.

[Byue]

That's a lot of ad hominem in a single sentence, usually denote weak argumentation and anger.


I don't personally think I did, chew off more than I can bite.
Cohesion is not your forte, you lie and manipulate your intention and is generally deceitful and do not engage constructively with others. You don't want to grow, learn, you think you are better than most and smarter than most and from all the experience that I have, it tells me you are insecure and most probably compensating for a lot of internal anger and hurt and incapacity to change what affects you in your life so you take it out on others because this, this is where you feel powerful.
Not at work, or with your girl, or in your general life.

here.

Bro if everyone you talk to is stupid, it's a lot like when you drive and everyone is going the wrong way. It's not them, it's you.

[Mblake1981]

When F1 fans makes memes

https://i.imgur.com/qTpiwtv.jpg

[Mblake1981]

That's a lot of ad hominem in a single sentence, usually denote weak argumentation and anger.


I don't personally think I did, chew off more than I can bite.
Cohesion is not your forte, you lie and manipulate your intention and is generally deceitful and do not engage constructively with others. You don't want to grow, learn, you think you are better than most and smarter than most and from all the experience that I have, it tells me you are insecure and most probably compensating for a lot of internal anger and hurt and incapacity to change what affects you in your life so you take it out on others because this, this is where you feel powerful.
Not at work, or with your girl, or in your general life.

here.

Bro if everyone you talk to is stupid, it's a lot like when you drive and everyone is going the wrong way. It's not them, it's you.

Are you still trying to crawl my dick, guy.. :o

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/2paktER.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SxaTmbn.png

[Pulgasari]

nascar is better than f1 and sometimes better than baseball

[Mblake1981]

Been watching more Sprint car and Super Stadium Trucks lately.

https://i.imgur.com/gbW8khh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0h9ATUP.jpg

[Shawk]

Sprint cars on a dirt track > Everything

[Mblake1981]

Sprint cars on a dirt track > Everything

900+ hp, 700+ tq

IAp1PBUUTQo

[Toxigen]

Sure sure.. just a bunch of hillbilly shits driving 3,000lb cars with souped up truck engines to well over 200mph, sustained. Less tire also.

Fucking sad, F1 driver too worried about breaking a canard or which setting his laptop steering wheel is set on.

Only take your hands off the wheel if your loose vagina has an itch. :o

The halo they use now is a testament to the pussification of men and our sports in general. Don't break a nail while staring the Devil in the eye.

typical nascar fan response...very angsty since you know deep down F1 is the pinnacle of motor racing

ill be enjoying monaco gp this weekend

[Mblake1981]

typical nascar fan response...very angsty since you know deep down F1 is the pinnacle of motor racing

ill be enjoying monaco gp this weekend

Seriously though, enjoy the race.

Back to reality, you full of it and suck tailpipes. :o

You are not the pinnacle of a damn thing since the 90s and your modern F1 cars are ugly as shit. Real talk.

[Mblake1981]

Got into wrc back when I briefly had Speed channel.. or Speedvision. I forgot what it was called. Maybe just Speed. :o

The only place where flappy paddles ever made sense to me. They still had the manual sequential stick in case of hydraulic failures, which seemed to happen regularly.

t-meibNQEBU

[Gravydoo II]

Tom said "lets go race it" when it sat in a fucking collectors garage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJnZFBXK1o

[Gravydoo II]

typical nascar fan response...very angsty since you know deep down F1 is the pinnacle of motor racing

ill be enjoying monaco gp this weekend

I would disagree. WEC is the pinnacle. F1 has barely any relation to road cars at all. Yeah they got 4 tires, an engine, and a transmission but thats about all they have in common and even those things are WAYYYYY different. So much so, they bare almost no relation to road car parts. Yeah 70 laps is cool but you know whats cooler? All the laps. 24 hours of racing at a time. Thats the shit that makes it down to road cars. F1 tech hardly ever makes it into road cars because its just so extreme and expensive. 8 million dollar engines.. come on.


Oh speaking of nascar, their generation is about to change. Meaning, all new engines. You know how many engines are sitting on a shelf, right now, ready to race with no car to go into because they are banned next year??? The anwser is in tons and millions of dollars but they will be going CHEAP because racecar parts. Think of all those 8-900 hp engines, just sitting there. How many does roush have? Henderson? Fuck man those are gonna FLOOD the market like the LS did.

[Evia]

If you ever wanted to talk Nascar I'd be happy to school everyone on why Dale Earnhardt was the #1 nascar driver of all time.

Fun and semi interesting fact. I have only watched one NASCAR race my entire life. During that race I decided that driver number 3 Dale Earnhardt was gonna be my favorite. I’m not sure why but I was really feeling his energy on the track. I had never heard of him in my life so I didn’t know I was choosing someone good (like novice baseball players who pick yanks) but 20 min later and the tragic crash happens that he dies in! So on the positive side I’m pretty certain I was Dale Earnhardt’s very last fan he had while alive. On a negative side did I kill Dale Earnhardt by choosing him as my favorite that day?(not actually serious...but it’s weird)

Anyway after that I decided maybe nascar wasn’t for me.

[Shawk]

Fun and semi interesting fact. I have only watched one NASCAR race my entire life. During that race I decided that driver number 3 Dale Earnhardt was gonna be my favorite. I’m not sure why but I was really feeling his energy on the track. I had never heard of him in my life so I didn’t know I was choosing someone good (like novice baseball players who pick yanks) but 20 min later and the tragic crash happens that he dies in! So on the positive side I’m pretty certain I was Dale Earnhardt’s very last fan he had while alive. On a negative side did I kill Dale Earnhardt by choosing him as my favorite that day?(not actually serious...but it’s weird)

Anyway after that I decided maybe nascar wasn’t for me.


Brutal.


I had all his cars growing up, #3 was the only model I actually put together. After that crash I just couldn't watch anymore because everything Nascar was #3 for me.

[Gravydoo II]

You carrying around some dale guilt for america...?

This isnt much of a toyota left, but its front grill is a toyota. Toyota does not make rice and cane tires.. or big blocks..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSC2qcrF7E&ab_channel=Buddy713Buddy713

[Shawk]

You carrying around some dale guilt for america...?


for america?

[Mblake1981]

A weird comment.

[Toxigen]

I would disagree. WEC is the pinnacle. F1 has barely any relation to road cars at all. Yeah they got 4 tires, an engine, and a transmission but thats about all they have in common and even those things are WAYYYYY different. So much so, they bare almost no relation to road car parts. Yeah 70 laps is cool but you know whats cooler? All the laps. 24 hours of racing at a time. Thats the shit that makes it down to road cars. F1 tech hardly ever makes it into road cars because its just so extreme and expensive. 8 million dollar engines.. come on.



No. And who the fuck wants to watch 24 hour of le mans? F1 is amazing for US viewers...races are 9/10/11 am sunday and over in less than 2 hours

WEC is good but it is not the pinnacle of motor racing.

I'd argue that Mercedes passes a lot of tech onto their cars. Just look at the new 2021s...they have no belts anymore. Its all battery backup assist too. Thats a direct result of the F1 hybrid era.

F1 is more jet fighters than it is cars (all aero + as much power as possible but with as little fuel as you need)...but its still motor racing....just like offshore powerboat is motor racing.

[Gravydoo II]

Who said lemans? Watch the 24 of Nuremburg. Theres like 200 cars on the track. 200. Its a fucking mad house. Theres an opel manta foxtail that shows up. Fucking car kicks ass. Privateers can race. You have a spending cap of 250 mil on F1.. privateers can race in ADAC.

KERS is cool but its been around. IMSA, WEC, and f1 all use it.

[Gravydoo II]

skreet racin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhf9YxmZQqY&ab_channel=1320video1320videoVerified

[Mblake1981]

The turbo V6 era was interesting and the V12 era had the best roar. These modern cars appeal more to tech nerd interest than my balls. F1 became a computer and modern Desktops became RGB 2 Fast 2 Furious complete with racer chair.

Bizarre World.

fe4YRBXpxJI

[Toxigen]

The turbo V6 era was interesting and the V12 era had the best roar. These modern cars appeal more to tech nerd interest than my balls. F1 became a computer and modern Desktops became RGB 2 Fast 2 Furious complete with racer chair.

Bizarre World.

fe4YRBXpxJI


I agree the big turbo era of the late 80s and early 90s with williams and their adaptive suspension was peak F1, its still a good show today.

Don't forget Schumacher either.

Most of the entire world knows who Fangio, Stewart, Moss, Lauda, Senna, Prost, Mansell, Schumacher, Alonso, Hulkenberg, and Hamilton are.

No one outside the US can name a single nascar driver outside of Dale.

[Mblake1981]

I agree the big turbo era of the late 80s and early 90s with williams and their adaptive suspension was peak F1, its still a good show today.

Don't forget Schumacher either.

Schumy came after my interest left. I know very little of his years.

Sabastian Loeb came after my interest in WRC left. I know nothing of his years.

[imperiouskitten]

Sprint cars on a dirt track > Everything

nothing to add but im qft

[Gravydoo II]

Driving an F1 car in the rain is soooooo entertain and schumacher looked like he was just driving a car around. Everyone else was skidding all over, doing donuts n shit.

[Mblake1981]

Most of the entire world knows who Fangio, Stewart, Moss, Lauda, Senna, Prost, Mansell, Schumacher, Alonso, Hulkenberg, and Hamilton are.

No one outside the US can name a single nascar driver outside of Dale.

Don't get comfy on your high horse. If by most people you mean race fans, even that depends. Nascar is a southern USA motorsport born out of illegal moonshine running. Its cultural roots are here and wouldn't matter for shit somewhere else.. what I am saying is its a bullshit comparison and you should know better than to make it.

I don't argue much if anything for today's Nascar, I don't really care for it. Same for F1 really.

You don't run illegal shine in an open-wheel kart that sits an inch off the ground, while trying to tear down janky ass backroads and sticking out like a sore thumb.

Chevrolet "black widow" factory racer.
https://i.imgur.com/8YcRoxk.jpg

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/0WkcFKn.png

[Toxigen]

Driving an F1 car in the rain is soooooo entertain and schumacher looked like he was just driving a car around. Everyone else was skidding all over, doing donuts n shit.

You need to read Art of Racing in the Rain. One of the best short reads feel-good books out there.

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Even in the modern hybrid era, when it rains...all bets are off. There is no traction control.

For reference just watch this back in '07 when they did have traction control systems...its insane:

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Fact is every F1 driver could compete in nascar and zero nascar drivers could get in a F1 car and compete. F1 is king and you're 100% wrong if you think otherwise. I would say WRC is a unique caveat...Loeb was such a monster and that shit is just fun to watch.

[Mblake1981]

Fact is every F1 driver could compete in nascar and zero nascar drivers could get in a F1 car and compete. F1 is king and you're 100% wrong if you think otherwise. I would say WRC is a unique caveat...Loeb was such a monster and that shit is just fun to watch.

I am not bending the knee to a foreign motorsport, you tool. You baggy-eyes sap. :o

[Mblake1981]

*clicks paddles*

https://i.imgur.com/aMoWAxq.gif

[Toxigen]

I am not bending the knee to a foreign motorsport, you tool. You baggy-eyes sap. :o

enjoy your redneck bullshit then

also F1 races in texas (albeit worst circuit on the calendar) so it aint foreign, its global

[Gravydoo II]

Rain is the truth.

[Toxigen]

lets watch nascar race when it sprinkles

oh wait they cancel the race

lmao

[Mblake1981]

enjoy your redneck bullshit then

also F1 races in texas (albeit worst circuit on the calendar) so it aint foreign, its global

Do you read? I said I don't even watch the modern stuff so I am not tuning in. And yeah, fuck global. So what?

[Gravydoo II]

Nascar rain tires are car covers.

[Toxigen]

Nascar rain tires are car covers.

[Shawk]

they are different classes of race cars toxigen you douche canoe

go bet on a horse and snort some coke

[Mblake1981]

The next gen console is going to kill PC gaming.

-2001

[Toxigen]

mmmm monaco FP2 is live right now

beautiful

[Patriam1066]

F1 still takes talent

It was better in Schumacher’s day though. Mercedes is dominant

[Mblake1981]

Talent and money is racing in general, not F1.

"still takes talent"

Sure.. but a guy like me will shit on them for the paddles. Keep removing the man until you have a drone buzzing around the track.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Shawk View Post
Sprint cars on a dirt track > Everything

nothing to add but im qft

double qft

[Toxigen]

i just get a huge nerd boner on the tech....also 1.9 second pit stops are pretty cool

the quali / races are at like 9 am on the weekends - you dont waste an afternoon on the couch like a piggy boy watching sub-par drivers turn left

fact remains all F1 drivers would be competitive in nascar and all nascar drivers would be putting F1 cars into the barriers

[Gravydoo II]

A fair point. Its not humanly possible to shift a transmission at your side, by hand, with all the other shit going on in the car these days. They have so many adjustable parameters from inside the car, so much info being displayed, not to mention the speed, the braking.. It would just be too much at modern speeds. Like they are not doing enough at once, now they gotta take a hand off the wheel, kick a clutch, move a lever, then release the clutch in a race where the top 5 are usually within a second of one another in qualifying.

Then to do all that, while taking a corner, while talking to the pits, while fighting other drivers, while adjusting your TC for the coming out of the corner setting for corner X, blah blah. SOOOOOOO much is going on.

[Gravydoo II]

I think senna had two knobs. Brake balance and TC, maybe turbo boost control. So 3 parameters. Thats a lot of time to be doing other shit. When you're adjusting your overall strat, corner strat, fuel management, braking balance, brake bite, TC, DRS, on and on... There just too much.

[Patriam1066]

i just get a huge nerd boner on the tech....also 1.9 second pit stops are pretty cool

the quali / races are at like 9 am on the weekends - you dont waste an afternoon on the couch like a piggy boy watching sub-par drivers turn left

fact remains all F1 drivers would be competitive in nascar and all nascar drivers would be putting F1 cars into the barriers

F1 is an entertaining sport, I’d ignore the haters

I like F1. I also enjoy playing racquetball and squash, as well as tennis. I’m sure someone could shit on all 3 of those for being pussy sports

[Synphul]

F1 is an entertaining sport, I’d ignore the haters

I'd agree. I enjoy watching F1, MotoGP, and the AMA superbike series as far as racing. If you haven't dragged a knee through a corner at 60+ mph on the track you haven't lived! I also enjoy sailboat racing which most people think is like watching paint dry so what do I know.

[Mblake1981]

A fair point. Its not humanly possible to shift a transmission at your side, by hand, with all the other shit going on in the car these days. They have so many adjustable parameters from inside the car, so much info being displayed, not to mention the speed, the braking.. It would just be too much at modern speeds.

That is the criticism.

Like they are not doing enough at once, now they gotta take a hand off the wheel, kick a clutch, move a lever, then release the clutch in a race where the top 5 are usually within a second of one another in qualifying.

"drive the kart"

So much is going on that driving the car is becoming secondary to managing nerd tech boner bullshit and I think its gross. Like seriously, just put a drone pilot AI in the damn thing and hit your ultimate goal which is to remove man from the equation, the only way to achieve 'perfection'.. but only for idiots.

Then to do all that, while taking a corner, while talking to the pits, while fighting other drivers, while adjusting your TC for the coming out of the corner setting for corner X, blah blah. SOOOOOOO much is going on.

When F1 fans makes memes

https://i.imgur.com/qTpiwtv.jpg

[Synphul]

I voted Honda in the poll because of the way the question is worded. For the average human being a Honda will be reliable enough to get you 300k miles with regular maintenance and has decent creature comforts that won't break the bank.

[Gravydoo II]

They are still driving the living fuck out of those cars at crazy speeds.

How can a manual downshift from a straight to a hairpin at 180 mph and keep pace? It will have to brake early as fuck, downshift 4 or 5 times, try not to blow up the damn engine, take the corner, then row the boat back up to 5th or whatever. Cant just go 180, ram brakes, skip down from 6th to first in one shot, take corner, then back on throttle.

Dont get me wrong I'd love to see someone try. Like, that would be some entertaining shit. Porsche knows the average human cant do that, so they only give you 500 hp in the manuals.

Its stupid for road cars to have flappy paddles.

[Gravydoo II]

I think we also forget we are watching the BEST HUMAN DRIVERS ON PLANET EARTH. They make the shit look easy because they are the next generation of mankind.

[Gravydoo II]

I'd agree. I enjoy watching F1, MotoGP, and the AMA superbike series as far as racing. If you haven't dragged a knee through a corner at 60+ mph on the track you haven't lived! I also enjoy sailboat racing which most people think is like watching paint dry so what do I know.

Sail boat racing is FUCKING SICK. Those dudes are puttin in that WORK. Grinding all day on shit. I want to start an all black sail boat racing team to take the last bastion of white dominance in sport away from the white man.

[Mblake1981]

They are still driving the living fuck out of those cars at crazy speeds.

How can a manual downshift from a straight to a hairpin at 180 mph and keep pace? It will have to brake early as fuck, downshift 4 or 5 times, try not to blow up the damn engine, take the corner, then row the boat back up to 5th or whatever. Cant just go 180, ram brakes, skip down from 6th to first in one shot, take corner, then back on throttle.

Dont get me wrong I'd love to see someone try. Like, that would be some entertaining shit. Porsche knows the average human cant do that, so they only give you 500 hp in the manuals.

So then you might be a guy I would put in a frame. Maybe you too can go out in a blaze of glory. And you also hit the nail on the head there, didn't you? "I'd love to see someone try.."

YbKgW-gX7SI

[Synphul]

Sail boat racing is FUCKING SICK. Those dudes are puttin in that WORK. Grinding all day on shit. I want to start an all black sail boat racing team to take the last bastion of white dominance in sport away from the white man.

Yeah, those dudes bust their ass. African Diaspora Maritime tried manning an all black team for the America's Cup back in 2011 I think, but Golden Gate Yacht Club denied their entry. I think they told them that they didn't have enough resources to be competitive or something because it's such a high cost sport. I think ADM sued GGYC, but I don't know what the outcome was. Probably just some monetary settlement.

[Mblake1981]

And wtf do I care how many G's a F1 driver can pull.. I am a spectator. I am here for spectacle. Your gizmos and doo-dads do not in any way, shape or form compare to the banshee wail of a V12 on full blast.

[Gravydoo II]

All I want in life is a rally car, some headphones, and a trail.
Going fast is like a religious experience. It makes me upset when I think about blind kids and shit that will never go fast.

[Mblake1981]

All I want in life is a rally car, some headphones, and a trail.
Going fast is like a religious experience. It makes me upset when I think about blind kids and shit that will never go fast.

#kidsincages have other concerns I am sure. :mad:

[Mblake1981]

Also if you have a rally car then what are the headphones for? tell me it isn't for some that Kpop you listen to while sipping Starbucks latte.

Some old and long fire roads would be pretty sweet, no doubt. UTV, ATV and Dirtbikes. Rally car too, heck, toss a Super Stadium Truck in there.

[Gravydoo II]

If you're gonna just derail everything, ill leave it here.

[Mblake1981]

If you're gonna just derail everything, ill leave it here.

Fair enough, wasn't my intention. This is also off topic which you talk off the topic. whatever, your thread. Ill leave. :o

[Gravydoo II]

Not saying fuck off, just chill. For fucking once, people are not being dicks to one another. We can do that everywhere. Let the white hot crucible of motorsport remain sacred in this terrible place.

[Toxigen]

And wtf do I care how many G's a F1 driver can pull.. I am a spectator. I am here for spectacle. Y

godamn you're an idiot dude

all of sport is based on what the individual / team can do, be it endure, sustain, collaborate, etc

another low earner just spouting bullshit because he disagrees because nascar told him its the best racing

[Mblake1981]

godamn you're an idiot dude

all of sport is based on what the individual / team can do, be it endure, sustain, collaborate, etc

another low earner just spouting bullshit because he disagrees because nascar told him its the best racing

Yeah fair enough on the criticisms of my person and they are true.

But I am still a spectator, I don't give a damn about what you mentioned and the engine noises suck, you can take your bullshit and fake high brow nonsense and blow it out your retarded ass. :o

[Mblake1981]

Not saying fuck off, just chill. For fucking once, people are not being dicks to one another. We can do that everywhere. Let the white hot crucible of motorsport remain sacred in this terrible place.

I mean I was raised in this shit like the rest of you, I don't get or understand the chill comments. What is this.. some kind of behind the shed meeting where we stroke each other for kicks? no thanks man, you guys knock yourselves out but don't single me out because im not down with the weirdness like that.

Message board, supposed to be anon. People let their opinions fly on things real like that. So what? :o

[Gravydoo II]

WHITE.
HOT.
CRUCIBLE.

(top gear had the best lines)

[Toxigen]

the stig

ZCvdTXrXsBc

[Gravydoo II]

I thought it was Martin Brundle, the god.

"The 14 was so good, had so much downforce I could do anything with it. It would go flat-out around Becketts, and I went around Schumacher on the outside round Becketts. And I remember laughing at Monza at the amount of grip it had, on slicks in the rain."

The god.

[Gravydoo II]

Trucks gone wild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpyiR5ASU6c&ab_channel=1320video1320videoVerified

This is some wild shit.

[Mblake1981]

d8XRz5s0nhE

[Gravydoo II]

One thing I hate about karts and racecars is that stiff ass suspension. Its better now a days but a decade or more ago.. jesus. Crush your frikken spine at sebring.

[Mblake1981]

/petition can we please have shared bank space, please have mercy on us :(

(ruins my joke but in case someone reads this, I am just making fun of QOL improvements in a place where putting your life on the line for drive and glory is the point.. or was the point. *sips Starbucks*)

Did you hear they are making softer boxing in gloves so it doesn't hurt so bad.

[Gravydoo II]

But fire makes you a man. If you havent crossed a finish line backwards and on fire you're not worth mentioning.

Watching them cars bounce is nauseating lol

[Patriam1066]

I feel like chicks that drive subarus are hot 80% of the time

I feel like they’re lesbians tbh

[Mblake1981]

https://twitter.com/uofracing/status/1042743792997216258

[Toxigen]

Monaco qualifying starts in 13 minutes! Ferarri is on pace with mercedes and red bull, should be a good one!

[Gravydoo II]

UCC 2021 is today, too.

[Mblake1981]

World of Outlaws is also a cooler name than F1, which is a computer key.

Did you miss last night's wild 40-lap @NosEnergyDrink Feature at @AtticaRacewyPrk? (https://twitter.com/WorldofOutlaws/status/1396107329087578118)

ZGIUZdVrSFo

[Gravydoo II]

This F2 sprint in the rain!! Try not to yell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuVjeR_2oSc&ab_channel=JHEDITSJHEDITS

[Topgunben]

Ford makes the best half ton truck
Dodge makes the best 1 ton truck
Toyota wins with the Tacoma
Honda is best bang for the buck on a commuter car
Chevy sucks at everything except for the Corvette
Tesla wins at EV, but not for long.

[Mblake1981]

Chevy sucks at everything except for the Corvette

Here's to 409

lU89Olj-MrE

[Gravydoo II]

408 > 409

no im kidding.. of course a stroked LS from the future is better.

What was so great about the 409? (then watched the video)

Oh it ran 11's from the factory, pretty much. In like, the stone age. They still had drum brakes and shit. lol 11's. Think about that.

[Mblake1981]

Formula 409 cleaner was also inspired by this engine (really). It was culturally significant.

xKKP_cZuk54

[Danth]

In like, the stone age. They still had drum brakes and shit. lol 11's. Think about that.

Hey, I like drum brakes. Cleaner than disks, more reliable, and last longer. Disks are better for mountain driving or for tracks but for normal street driving in most the country I consider them an unwanted hassle. I curse them every time I have to clean my whitewalls, which is frequent because disks are filthy things.

On top of that it's getting hard to find quality parts; the past few years I've got into the habit of carrying around a laser thermometer due to calipers sticking so often these days. It's odd since disks aren't new tech (as you point out) and I never had any great trouble with dragging brakes 20, 30 years ago. It's just recent. I suspect the manufacturers are cheaping out on quality nowadays like everyplace else.

Danth

[Gravydoo II]

Hey, I like drum brakes. Cleaner than disks, more reliable, and last longer. Disks are better for mountain driving or for tracks but for normal street driving in most the country I consider them an unwanted hassle. I curse them every time I have to clean my whitewalls, which is frequent because disks are filthy things.

On top of that it's getting hard to find quality parts; the past few years I've got into the habit of carrying around a laser thermometer due to calipers sticking so often these days. It's odd since disks aren't new tech (as you point out) and I never had any great trouble with dragging brakes 20, 30 years ago. It's just recent. I suspect the manufacturers are cheaping out on quality nowadays like everyplace else.

Danth

If your brake is getting hung thats a problem with the caliper not retracting properly. Yes heat does expand the rotor slightly but its in the thousandths. This can be caused by many things, including debris in your brake fluid, the plungers have a hole/tear, there are so many things. Water in the brake fluid makes it spongey instead of snappy. It accumulates over the years, nothing can be done to prevent it aside from bleeding your brakes once a year or so.

The disc is the dumb part that never moves. I would suspect the caliper(s) is having issues or the fluid is corrupted with water. When was the last time you bled your brakes?? I would do that, all four, keep refilling the reservoir til you can be sure its all new fluid with no debris in it. A spec of dirt can get into the brake balancer and that can cause issues, too.

Yes, order your rotors from a good place. Like EBC rotors. They have a set for your whip, I promise. I put a set on a carolla with some yellow stuff pads. JESUS it was peeling my fucking face. I could brake SO LATE from 30-40 mph no problem. It was hilarious. 150 bucks and that shit was like awe inspiring. I had no idea brakes could be so hard and aggressive, on a little shit box carolla. You know what, its not a shit box. It made it to 250k with the AC still functioning.

[Danth]

Lot of trouble with brake hoses de-laminating, that sort of thing. Seems like it's harder to find quality parts than it used to be. We've had brake oil with water in it straight off the shelves. Last time I did the front brakes on the sunday driver Coupe de Ville garage queen (also known as, Miss Prissy) I went to Akron and bought the parts from a specialty shop. So far so good.

Danth

[Gravydoo II]

Check out EBC rotors.
https://ebcbrakes.com/products/brake-discs-brake-rotors/
They not bank crippling. Unless you want that. Just checked their brake hoses are UK only nvm

This is some goodwood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abNKn0UAU9I&ab_channel=GoodwoodRoad%26RacingGoodwoodRoad%26Rac ingVerified

Concept cars of the 1980s

[Toxigen]

Charles LeClerc #1 monaco

get fucked

[Gravydoo II]

Man I seen that. Who would have thought. Hamilton doesnt like monaco at all though, either. I wanna see what yuki senoda does. He could make some magic or crash out. Nothing between.

[Gravydoo II]

OMG UCC is happening right now.
Todd just shot a piston into orbit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6F1QL2Oow&ab_channel=FirepunkDieselFirepunkDiesel

[Gravydoo II]

Charles let us down. Would have liked to seen ferrari win for once. How do you even pass in monaco? lol
how did he start in 20th???? He qualified 1st.

[Byue]

Charles let us down. Would have liked to seen ferrari win for once. How do you even pass in monaco? lol
how did he start in 20th???? He qualified 1st.

Monacco used to be fun like 60 years ago, the cars are too bulky now to even pass.
Boring.

[Gravydoo II]

Tell it. I saw one pass. Between 18th and 19th in the hairpin. Team mates. Aside from driving past someone while they are in the pits, nothing happened.

[Byue]

Actually I think in the past 12 race, whoever started in pole position won.
Monacco is just a pit stop for rich fucks.

[Toxigen]

Charles let us down. Would have liked to seen ferrari win for once. How do you even pass in monaco? lol
how did he start in 20th???? He qualified 1st.

he quali'd 1st but crashed on his last lap

ferrari made the gamble to use the same gearbox...if they swapped it out charles would have started last

car shit the bed before it even left the pit lane for the formation lap which was why p1 on the grid was empty

and idk what you guys are talking about - that was a fantastic race...mercedes isnt in the lead for the constructors and lewis hamilton isnt leading the drivers because of it

sainz first podium for ferrari, disaster for mercedes, lando podium, verstappen first monaco win

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[Toxigen]

Aside from driving past someone while they are in the pits, nothing happened.

lol you prob like hockey because they fight too, pleb

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[Mblake1981]

lol you prob like hockey because they fight too, pleb

*logitech steering wheel for PC*

Don't like hock-ee or care for MMA much but I do like American Gladiator. But yeah, give me the pleb idiots basic steering wheel and stick, my adjustments are my foot and what the seat of my pants tells me. :o

[Gravydoo II]

Not into padded figure skating. The fighting is to distract from the fact that its a bunch of men in pads and helmets, figure skating.

Dont care for "sports" in the traditional sense. If it doesnt have an engine, its boring. Feats of athleticism just dont do it for me. Great you a dead lift 1000lbs... So can a child with some rope and a few snatch blocks.

Back on topic.
UCC 2021 happened. Anyone watch?? The diesel truck competition thing. PDD blew up on the dyno, exploded the fucking engine all over. The crank was slapping around the pistons for like a minute after the block blew clean out of the trucks hood. Only thing left was the crank, main caps, some pistons, some all the rods, and the girdle plate. lol. Threw 1000lbs of turbos, engine, and everything else forward like 6 feet.

[Toxigen]

Ah, Monaco on Grand Prix Sunday:

https://i.imgur.com/G5WHGoM.jpg

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/aWYdlvA.gif

[Gravydoo II]

https://i.imgur.com/aWYdlvA.gif

You can almost hear him say "Awh SHIT!"

[Baler]

Was able to be in the pit area for a formula 1 race thanks to work.

Definitely one of the coolest and loudest points of my life.

[Byue]

Was able to be in the pit area for a formula 1 race thanks to work.

Definitely one of the coolest and loudest points of my life.


I live as close as you possibly can to the Montreal racetrack.
It's loud when the F1 comes on over. You can actually be on the other side of the island -100km away- and still hear it because of the reverberation on water.



P.S: I live in Montreal. And Montreal is the 8th biggest city in North America.
It goes: Mexico, New-York, Los-Angeles, Toronto, Chicago, Houston, La Havana, Montreal. (Ecatepec de Morelos and then Philadelphia, for the top 10)

and in term of size, it's minuscule. We're an island.
In comparison, Mexico, the most populated city, has a population density of 64.91 person, per kilometer square.
Montreal? 898.1 per kilometer square.

What I am trying to say is that why would I buy a pick up truck to live in such a dense city? I bought a car that weight less than a ton, has over 300HP, a turbo and 6 speed. Did I mention I can park this baby anywhere?

You can make fun of my choice, I think it's a sensible one.
John Cooper work MINI Cooper S 2013. White with black roof but roof also has the panoramic rooftop. 18" rims for good driving.
What's the issue?
Never even had trouble with it.
Granted, 7 years and just got it over 100,000km this summer but still, no a single problem ever. Freedom is great because I bought it with my money because I wanted it and that's about all that matters.

[Patriam1066]

I will make fun of your choice. A Mini Cooper is driven only by bundle of sticks who can’t speak English properly

You can’t even fit your hockey sticks in a Mini Cooper, I mean what the hell man

[Gravydoo II]

Yeah were not here to shit on peoples cars. Stop with the shitting on his whip. Quit acting like that bundle you just described. If you think about gay shit when you see a mini, that makes you gay, not the mini.

[Toxigen]

Nothing wrong with Mini if you're in a city and have no need to haul much...plus BMW product.

Was thinking about getting a new truck this last year-end. Inventory has been a total mess with chip-sourcing issues on the gas V8s. I said to hell with it and kept the old company truck and bought a '21 C43 AMG instead.

Now I wish I had spent the little bit more for the C63 but its all good. My first Benz / AMG, starting at the bottom and will work my way up over the next couple of decades.

[Mblake1981]

Yeah were not here to shit on peoples cars. Stop with the shitting on his whip. Quit acting like that bundle you just described. If you think about gay shit when you see a mini, that makes you gay, not the mini.

Men get picked on for driving them, like a Prius, my fiance liked them. I have followed Project Binky from Bad Obsession Motorsports since 2014 but its a bit different. :o

[Patriam1066]

Yeah were not here to shit on peoples cars. Stop with the shitting on his whip. Quit acting like that bundle you just described. If you think about gay shit when you see a mini, that makes you gay, not the mini.

You about to go off your meds again?

[hobart]

New F150 Lightning looks pretty legit.

I'm contemplating the move to solar. I wonder what I'd have to do in order to integrate charging a vehicle into the plan. Just more batteries? Or more everything?

[Gustoo]

A tesla battery wall pretty much.

I would go with a good normal car for now, and a solar setup whenever it makes sense including if it makes sense now.

[Byue]

working your way up a car is a good thing.
Like, I would have preferred getting a normal mini and then getting the turbo because now I don't know what a normal mini is.

You will drive that mercedes and push its limit and once you work it up, you will love the upscale a lot more and actually know why you paid more because you will feel the difference.

[Danth]

because now I don't know what a normal mini is.

Sure you do. It's what you have when you're cruising or driving normally without thrashing the thing. Unless you drive like a maniac you aren't normally using more than a fraction of your power. You described it as in the sub-ton class. Even expecting you're using metric tons, Minis are usually regarded as in the 2500 pound class. What weight reduction has it undergone?

Minis are alright as city cars, especially for dudes who don't have children, but I don't trust any gasoline engine that has forced induction for street usage. They never last as long as the same engine without the turbo or supercharger--I regard such vehicles as good candidates for leasing. To be sure, it's not like thirty years ago when a turbo might last 80K miles while the regular version could go 140K. It's more like the turbo will last 130 and the non-turbo, maybe 200. Depends on how much boost it runs at and how often the turbo kicks in. It may well outlast your desire to keep it.

Danth

[Gustoo]

Just so everyone knows, Toyota is the best car manufacturer by all measures of what a car should be without debate when it comes to making vehicles that do vehicle things reliably.

Other companies have other virtues but they are not as good at being cars. Honda would be second best, followed by everyone else significantly further behind.

[Patriam1066]

I’d go Honda then Toyota but agreed

[Toxigen]

Sure, you're right...but there are car guys out there that would disagree.

Like me.

[Mblake1981]

I’d go Honda then Toyota but agreed

Camry means Crown iirc.

Toyoda is the name of the founding family,
But that might mean health or abundance.

Ester seems to like them :o

[Danth]

Sure, you're right...but there are car guys out there that would disagree.

Like me.

Toyota, Subaru: Perfectly good companies that don't actually build anything I'd ever want to buy. Too bad. I wish they would. I'm sure they'd do a good job of it.

Danth

[Mblake1981]

Toyota, Subaru: Perfectly good companies that don't actually build anything I'd ever want to buy. Too bad. I wish they would. I'm sure they'd do a good job of it.

Danth

I briefly owned a 2006 Subaru STI in rally blue. 300hp 300tq. I have owned a 2013 Honda Si for longer and enjoy it more.

I did feel more confident in the Sti doing 110mph in the rain.

Edit: Allegedly 110mph, these are internet stories.

06-07 'Falcon Eyes' model.
https://i.imgur.com/cwgw1u1.jpg

[Toxigen]

I briefly owned a 2006 Subaru STI in rally blue. 300hp 300tq. I have owned a 2013 Honda Si for longer and enjoy it more.

I did feel more confident in the Sti doing 110mph in the rain.. and hit that puddle. If you think that was a dumb thing to do, fair enough. The guy in the mustang wanted to go, he let up at 90.

Thats how I feel about my Benz.

I could be going down the road at 120 and take a hand off the wheel for a sip of coffee...while hearing zero road noise over my smooth jazz.

(not that I do this, but I could)

[Byue]

I briefly owned a 2006 Subaru STI in rally blue. 300hp 300tq. I have owned a 2013 Honda Si for longer and enjoy it more.

I did feel more confident in the Sti doing 110mph in the rain.

Edit: Allegedly 110mph, these are internet stories.

I'm a city boy but before the city, to get experience a a cook, I did hotels in the countryside and I remember going in gaspesie ( it's bordering the ocean but picture buttfuck nowhere) and I made friend with the barman and he was fond of cars. He had four. I remember he laughed at the mini but he drove it and like it. It handles like a gokart, a lot of fun to drive but then he shown me his baby.

A modified, turbo charged subaru with something like 700HP.

You know, the kind of guy driving 260KM/H (161MP/H) in tight roads cornering the ocean, at night, while it is raining.*

I felt like welp, life was nice I'm going to die now.
Some people enjoy speed.
I don't.

Well, yeah but not that fast on shitty Quebec roads. ( Quebec has the worst roads in Canada and Canada already have shitty roads (https://globalnews.ca/news/7729444/quebec-worst-roads-in-canada-caa/) )

Anyway, my point is Toyota make unkillable cars but who tf want to drive them.

[Mblake1981]

Thats how I feel about my Benz.

I could be going down the road at 120 and take a hand off the wheel for a sip of coffee...while hearing zero road noise over my smooth jazz.

(not that I do this, but I could)

*nod*

right.

More refined, smoother, faster and convenient.
Computers are the same way.
STEAM

[Mblake1981]

I felt like welp, life was nice I'm going to die now.
Some people enjoy speed.
I don't.

Other things probably make you feel alive.

Note: My recent postings in this thread, I would rather buy American but unless I have the funds to easily purchase a Dodge Demon for street use, or some other higher end American sports car (do not like the new Corvette) then I do have to look elsewhere.

The new Dodge Dart is a Honda Civic. I am only partially joking but if you get what I mean..

This is a real Dodge Dart.

https://i.imgur.com/TZWHX4A.jpg

[Danth]

I briefly owned a 2006 Subaru STI in rally blue. 300hp 300tq.

Nice ride, just--not my style. I sort of sigh because I get tired of fixing stuff that shouldn't need fixing like window switches that break or trim that doesn't want to stay put.

[Gravydoo II]

Lexus LFA was a terrible sports car???
It was the fucking king. Best engine EVER in a road car. Not to mention the 1JZ, 2JZ line. That sounds so terrible... making 1000 horse power on a stock block. What a terrible thing. What car guy says thats bad?? Name them.

Cars are so varied from sport to sport, there is no such thing as a "car guy" because a drag racer has a TOTALLY different idea of what is a good car to a fan of rock bouncing.

There are dickheads and non-dickheads. Dickheads are the ones who see and opinion, shit on it, then say "whatever i say is better".

Cept the whole toyota won Le Mans. TRC, Super Formula, F3, NHRA, USAC, Super GT, NASCAR, WRC, and WEC. Thats today. They compete in all those, today.

Dont see why you need to shit on em. They are doing the lords work by keeping motor sport alive. They could say fuck you, not compete, and have many less cars on the grid in 9 different race series.

People who are not poor tend to do this thing where they buy a car to drive every day, which will work every day. Then they buy a race care, which wont. Because racecar.

If you dont know what a 2jz or 1jz is or their capability, you're not a "car guy". lol
Power is power. Ethanol, C-series, V-series, 93 octane, nitromethane, methanol, alcohol, doesnt matter.

[Byue]

Other things probably make you feel alive.

Oh I felt alive going fast, it just made me super aware that any wrong move and we was going to be dead.
(I know we was is not sound, let me sound street tho)

But you are correct.
I feel alive in my restaurant.
When it is packed, with the terrace full and I know we'll do 500-600 customers tonight between 6:30 and 9:30. The tickets come out of a screaming machine and they don't stop and everything become a chaotic yet well executed dance.
I have 12 burners, a brigade of 7 people listening to me and talking to me, at once with the waiters coming in asking question while I'm already talking, or begging for a fix because of a mistake and time stops yet accelerate at the same time and I love cooking.


Toyota make good cars, unkillable but like others have said, it's not that smooth of a ride. In my mini, the exterior world is silent. suspension is smooth.
This is what I look for in a car.

Smoothness of the ride.

Because if I just want a point a to b in a car, LADA are capable of doing this forever like you think you can't kill a toyota? Try killing a LADA.

But you are also correct in saying that Toyota keep motorsports alive by being so successful at racing.
And it changes perception because it doesn't sound like the car you wanna drive but it actually perhaps is.

[Mblake1981]

Oh I felt alive going fast, it just made me super aware that any wrong move and we was going to be dead.

I mean..

(I know we was is not sound, let me sound street tho)

I'm laughing. :o

[Byue]

I mean..



I'm laughing. :o


hehe.
It's weird because I speak French on the daily, everywhere but home.
I write in English here.
And speak Arabic at home with the roomie (co-owner with me)

Sometimes these languages mingle and it creates funky sentences.

[Patriam1066]

Sure, you're right...but there are car guys out there that would disagree.

Like me.

Honda used to make very fun to drive cars, so did BMW. Not so much anymore

I had an M3 in 2008, back when they were sticks and v8s with hydraulic power steering. That car was fun as fuck to drive, even though it damn near killed my spine on shitty Houston roads. I think I stopped being a “car guy” after BMW started making crowd pleasing cars. BMW was my favorite back in the day, and before that it was Honda with VTech. Now, idk. I really only like porsches, but I’d never buy one because I don’t like the look or the utter lack of practicality. I could take my kids to school in the M3. All 3 of them.

I thought about getting a civic type R just to beat th fuck out of it as a daily driver, but I LOATHE hatchbacks, so yeah, I’m done with cars I think

I agree with the Subaru STI being a good choice though. Those are still fun

[Mblake1981]

If you dont know what a 2jz or 1jz is or their capability, you're not a "car guy". lol
Power is power. Ethanol, C-series, V-series, 93 octane, nitromethane, methanol, alcohol, doesnt matter.

Old supras, new BMW.

Push Water

[Danth]

...even though it damn near killed my spine on shitty Houston roads.

Houston? Bad? Hah! Illustrates the effect of perspective. I have family in Houston and any time I visit that way I marvel at how perfect all the roads are compared to back home (here in north-central OH).

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"Fun" to me is cruising along at 45 or 55 MPH, windows down, enjoying the green countryside scrolling past, wife snuggled up in the middle next to me. Again, all relative.

Danth

[Patriam1066]

In urban Houston? We have absolutely abysmal roads, I promise you

[Gustoo]

Old supras, new BMW.

Push Water

2jz is used across motorsports for its ability to handle mad boost. Not just drifting or special japan car fan clubs. Arguments could be made for it to be the best engine ever made.

[Mblake1981]

2jz is used across motorsports for its ability to handle mad boost. Not just drifting or special japan car fan clubs. Arguments could be made for it to be the best engine ever made.

It was designed to take that from the factory. Good bang for your buck!

[Byue]

In urban Houston? We have absolutely abysmal roads, I promise you

Here, it freezes during the night, thaw in the morning, freeze during the day, thaw in the evening and refreeze at night so our roads are... well, shit.

There's just no competing with our shitty roads.

You guys ever drove a skyline?
It's a dream of mine.

[Gustoo]

And yeah we're talking about cars as cars that drive places that complete jobs, not specific sub categories like sports cars or luxury cars because those don't require cars to be good cars, only that they fulfil the specific sports or luxury purpose.

Like, an LS4XX is better than any mercedes in all car features (reliability, quality) but will lose due to perceived excellenceness and its kind of silly to discuss those properties because they're fully subjective, and when it comes to that I would take whichever I think looks the best.

But for these categories

1. Car: Corolla
2. Mid car: Camry
3. Crossover: Highlander
4. Small Crossover: Rav 4
5. Small SUV: 4 runner
6. Small pickup: Tacoma
7. Full 1/2 ton SUV: Sequoia
8. Full 1/2 ton truck: Tundra
9. Hybrid: Prius
10. Minivan: Sienna

For all of those cars and categories, the toyota does the job the best. None of them is trying to be extreme luxury, none of them is trying to be extreme off road. They are cars for everyone to do what mostly everyone needs cars to do. And in all of the categories that Toyota makes a car, it is the best choice barring subjective concerns like aesthetics or feel.

The BRZ / FRS / GT86 doesn't qualify, because it is a subaru. It is a good car in its own right, and if it had a toyota inline 4 cyl engine it would certainly be the best small sports car made in many years and the only good one made today.

The new Supra doesn't qualify, because it is a BMW. It is a good car in its own right, and if it had a toyota inline 6 or simply the lexus ISF 302 v8 it would be a very desireable car. As it is, its just another BMW and most toyota people don't want BMW problems.

And then there is the Avalon, but thats a car segment that I don't really care about. Nicer than camry mid size sedan? Its a great car but I don't even know what it's up against.

Land Cruiser is a special car made in a different factory that costs a ton of money. For what it is, it is the absolute kind of the hill but its basically 100,000 dollars and hard to justify for most people vs a Sequoia even though its the absolute best big off road land yacht.

[Gravydoo II]

Old supras, new BMW.

Push Water

at 13psi, too.. If you pressurize water, it raises its boiling point. Then you can run the engine hotter without boiling the radiator over. <3

The new supra is half BMW. The engine is made by BMW but tuned by Toyota. Got a lotta different DNA going on but all good.

BMW did fall off a bit. Their cars are just packed with too much shit, I think. Strip all that crap out, tone it down, slim it down. It could lose 500lbs and be a different kind of car. Like yeah its fast and they go around corners but in reality, 90% of em will never touch the rev limiter or turn the wheel at any significant speed. So they wont.

[Gustoo]

Here, it freezes during the night, thaw in the morning, freeze during the day, thaw in the evening and refreeze at night so our roads are... well, shit.

There's just no competing with our shitty roads.

You guys ever drove a skyline?
It's a dream of mine.

Never drove a skyline. The RB26DETT is another super sweet engine but doesn't hold up quite as well as the 2jz but not everything is about maximum horsepower for land speed and drag racing ETC.

I always wanted an R32.

[Patriam1066]

And yeah we're talking about cars as cars that drive places that complete jobs, not specific sub categories like sports cars or luxury cars because those don't require cars to be good cars, only that they fulfil the specific sports or luxury purpose.

Like, an LS4XX is better than any mercedes in all car features (reliability, quality) but will lose due to perceived excellenceness and its kind of silly to discuss those properties because they're fully subjective, and when it comes to that I would take whichever I think looks the best.

But for these categories

1. Car: Corolla
2. Mid car: Camry
3. Crossover: Highlander
4. Small Crossover: Rav 4
5. Small SUV: 4 runner
6. Small pickup: Tacoma
7. Full 1/2 ton SUV: Sequoia
8. Full 1/2 ton truck: Tundra
9. Hybrid: Prius
10. Minivan: Sienna

For all of those cars and categories, the toyota does the job the best. None of them is trying to be extreme luxury, none of them is trying to be extreme off road. They are cars for everyone to do what mostly everyone needs cars to do. And in all of the categories that Toyota makes a car, it is the best choice barring subjective concerns like aesthetics or feel.

The BRZ / FRS / GT86 doesn't qualify, because it is a subaru. It is a good car in its own right, and if it had a toyota inline 4 cyl engine it would certainly be the best small sports car made in many years and the only good one made today.

The new Supra doesn't qualify, because it is a BMW. It is a good car in its own right, and if it had a toyota inline 6 or simply the lexus ISF 302 v8 it would be a very desireable car. As it is, its just another BMW and most toyota people don't want BMW problems.

And then there is the Avalon, but thats a car segment that I don't really care about. Nicer than camry mid size sedan? Its a great car but I don't even know what it's up against.

Land Cruiser is a special car made in a different factory that costs a ton of money. For what it is, it is the absolute kind of the hill but its basically 100,000 dollars and hard to justify for most people vs a Sequoia even though its the absolute best big off road land yacht.

The accord is better than the Camry I’d say

[Gravydoo II]

Dont forget LFA!

[Shawk]

Echo/Yaris > Corolla > Camry

[Gravydoo II]

DPI and LMP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6QsNM3Ug1k&ab_channel=IMSAOfficialIMSAOfficial

Ohh and GT3

[Mblake1981]

The new supra is half BMW. The engine is made by BMW but tuned by Toyota. Got a lotta different DNA going on but all good.

A good engine is a good engine, that is not my beefs. My beef is taking an established idea and doing that. They could have easily made a new model of car. They stuck the Supra on it because of the reasons, not all of them legit in my eyes.

When it comes to Japanese, American, German (whichever), prefer them to be from their country. That is getting harder to do these days I suppose. Japan like everyone else has their own quirks. When you hodge podge everything that is what you get.

I have a similar complaint with multiplatform standards in Windows gaming, which also seeks to remove the 'Windows' part of the equation.

[Danth]

In urban Houston? We have absolutely abysmal roads, I promise you

Here's a local side street from a picture I took maybe 15 years ago. It is by no means the worst one in the area. Ignoring the difference in rural scenery vs. cityscape, I can't recollect any similar-quality roads in Houston except those undergoing active construction (admittedly, I can't claim to have driven the entire area, being ~1500 miles away).

[Patriam1066]

Yeah our roads are at least paved, it is a city after all

Nonetheless, they are quite terrible

[Byue]

scroll down a bit, look at the pictures. (https://www.caaquebec.com/en/on-the-road/public-interest/worst-roads/) these are our roads. :(

[Gravydoo II]

A good engine is a good engine, that is not my beefs. My beef is taking an established idea and doing that. They could have easily made a new model of car. They stuck the Supra on it because of the reasons, not all of them legit in my eyes.

When it comes to Japanese, American, German (whichever), prefer them to be from their country. That is getting harder to do these days I suppose. Japan like everyone else has their own quirks. When you hodge podge everything that is what you get.

I have a similar complaint with multiplatform standards in Windows gaming, which also seeks to remove the 'Windows' part of the equation.

You know how much money it cost to develop that car??? Billions of dollars. Billions. If you could half your costs, share the wealth, and develop/share technology with BMW, wouldnt you??? Like, BMW could take the GT3 championship. If you could get BMW to help, wouldnt you?? Its not like they asked fiat... they didnt ask buick.

The toyota idea of building cars goes way back. They are an island nation with hardly any natural resources. These people were making swords from sand because there was no iron ore to be mined. Anyways, they see natural resources are precious and should be used sparingly to make the absolute best product you possibly can because you might not have more tomorrow. BMW, not sure. Pivot round the hips, ultimate driving machine and all that but I think they got a little muddled on that recently. Ive only had 1 bmw and it wasnt an E so my views are skewed.

[Mblake1981]

You know how much money it cost to develop that car??? Billions of dollars. Billions. If you could half your costs, share the wealth, and develop/share technology with BMW, wouldnt you??? Like, BMW could take the GT3 championship. If you could get BMW to help, wouldnt you??

The toyota idea of building cars goes way back. They are an island nation with hardly any natural resources. These people were making swords from sand because there was no iron ore to be mined. Anyways, they see natural resources are precious and should be used sparingly to make the absolute best product you possibly can because you might not have more tomorrow. BMW, not sure. Pivot round the hips, ultimate driving machine and all that but I think they got a little muddled on that recently. Ive only had 1 bmw and it wasnt an E so my views are skewed.

1. Again, a good engine is a good engine, that is not my beefs.

2. Gravydoo, did you just go into a small but detailed history of that people?
I mean, I get the "used sparingly to make the best" when it comes to the 2jz engines,
which were all in house Toyoda (and rumored help from Yamaha)

But none of that explains setting aside the things that make it interesting. :o

Note: I also like the Nissan RB series.

[Gravydoo II]

1. Again, a good engine is a good engine, that is not my beefs.

2. Gravydoo, did you just go into a small but detailed history of that people?
I mean, I get the "used sparingly to make the best" when it comes to the 2jz engines,
which were all in house Toyoda (and rumored help from Yamaha)

But none of that explains setting aside the things that make it interesting. :o

Note: I also like the Nissan RB series.

Yeah, let BMW do all the heavy lifting. Toyota will tune it up, make it sexy. It was developed WITH toyota. Wasnt just BMW said heres your engine take it or leave it.

What did they set aside? Its a decent car. Its not 300k. Its 40k. A corvette is 50k, 100 more horse power. You are getting what you paid for and thats a good thing. BMW engine or not. The spirit of it is toyota. You think they'd put a piece of shit in their flag ship car?? Hell nah. Its sort of a committee car, but if you aint pagani or konigsegg, they all are.

Yes, I did just go into a small history of japanese craftsmanship and manufacturing.

[Gravydoo II]

Like I hear you. I want toyota to make a japanese dodge viper. I do. They wont though. Its just so unsightly and vulgar in a conservative society like that. They gotta make a car they can sell, in japan. lol.

[Danth]

How well do the 2jz engines actually work day to day? Mere strength doesn't necessarily impress. I have bad memories of stuff like GM's Northstar, which was quite strongly built--derived from racing engines--and perfectly capable of withstanding very high outputs....but which was also a POS for street cars due to problems like head bolt separation and excessive carbon buildup. That engine, by itself, probably sealed Cadillac's fate during the late 90's and 00's.

Danth

[Mblake1981]

Yeah, let BMW do all the heavy lifting. Toyota will tune it up, make it sexy. It was developed WITH toyota. Wasnt just BMW said heres your engine take it or leave it.

What did they set aside? Its a decent car. Its not 300k. Its 40k. A corvette is 50k, 100 more horse power. You are getting what you paid for and thats a good thing. BMW engine or not. The spirit of it is toyota. You think they'd put a piece of shit in their flag ship car?? Hell nah. Its sort of a committee car, but if you aint pagani or konigsegg, they all are.

Yes, I did just go into a small history of japanese craftsmanship and manufacturing.

1. Guy, like I said in the first post, that I would be ok with that if they made a new model. Because it is interesting. But they put it in a Supra, which was as far as I know an all Japanese performance car. It's like someone trying to tell me Bioshock is a Windows game. You already know my scowls forming.


2. What did they sit aside? they sat aside an all Japanese design. My complaint is not about the price of the object or what social class it would appeal to, nothing queer like that at all. You are getting what you paid for, an interesting co-design between Toyoda and BMW. I am sure the quality is fine, my complaint is not about the quality.

Your comment about a committee car. :o

Japan like everyone else has their own quirks. When you hodge podge everything that is what you get.

I have a similar complaint with multiplatform standards in Windows gaming, which also seeks to remove the 'Windows' part of the equation.

[Mblake1981]

Like I hear you. I want toyota to make a japanese dodge viper. I do. They wont though. Its just so unsightly and vulgar in a conservative society like that. They gotta make a car they can sell, in japan. lol.

I don't know what that means, but here is this.

http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/09/feathers-ruffled-2jz-mopar/

[Mblake1981]

How well do the 2jz engines actually work day to day? Mere strength doesn't necessarily impress. I have bad memories of stuff like GM's Northstar, which was quite strongly built--derived from racing engines--and perfectly capable of withstanding very high outputs....but which was also a POS for street cars due to problems like head bolt separation and excessive carbon buildup. That engine, by itself, probably sealed Cadillac's fate during the late 90's and 00's.

Danth

You are talking practicality and good sense, my apologies Danth as I am treating this as just mere interest. If I had the money for these things I wouldn't care all that much.

I drive a honda Si because it runs forever, but that has been true of Japanese products, even 4x4 'redneck' trucks since the 90s.

JZ engines were in many Japanese Toyoda models.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_JZ_engine

[Gravydoo II]

They are reliable. If kept up on maintenance, like anything. They do have some issues like the timing belt, its a belt and with age they stretch. It can jump a tooth, bend a valve or two. The tensioner goes bad after a while. The engines are all 20+ years old so this is life. Valve stem seals get not so sealed after 20 years. Their oil pumps are another weak point. The seals inside the accessories, pretty much. If you want it to last and work properly, needs to be maintained properly. Ive never owned one but had a few customers, my brother has one.