Who is the best car/truck manufacturer?

[Gravydoo II]

Monaco documentary by goodwood. Came out today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_8jIB0j5s&ab_channel=GoodwoodRoad%26RacingGoodwoodRoad%26Rac ing

[Gustoo]

Danth - Yeah the 2jz is literally the best engine ever made, for all applications except gas sippers. Its ridiculously strong, and works perfect. Similarly, the other straight six 1jz in the 80 series land cruisers and others is also ultra reliable.

When I say ultra reliable I mean most of them are 300K engines and the bottom end is good for like 600k with a new 1000 dollar head thrown on.

Possible that you MIGHT need a head gasket at like 200,000 MAYBE its just a ridiculous engine.

Theres not even a contest. Theres definitely something about straight six engines though, even the shitbox jeep straight six is a good engine way better than the current v6's they have when it comes to doing car stuff (driving you places)

[Gustoo]

The accord is better than the Camry I’d say

Not as reliable, not as good. V6 have lots of problems due to cylinder deactivation. Lots of tranny problems too.

Neither of these are present in the equivilent Camry. Same goes with the Sienna vs Odyssey. I prefer the hondas if they were as reliable, but I've seen a lot of both. The sienna almost never loses a tranny before over 200k and the odyssey does maybe 20 percent of the time or more.

Accords are great, but they're not as reliable.

Still, top 2 isn't bad. Good job honda.

Honda lost me when they went full generic. No S2000, no element, civic same size as accord.

For honda its just the aesthetics and subective stuff like feel. A 2004 sienna is butt ugly inside vs the 2004 odyssey but its worth about 2000 dollars + more on the used market because they're straight up better, and the penny pincher knows this to be true.

And I'm a honda guy through and through. My first car was a 1988 honda CRX got 50mpg and I sold it to my dad and he took it to 290,000 miles and it still got 54mpg on the highway at that time.

But now that neither company makes a sports car I give a damn about, toyota all the way. If honda turned a new leaf which I'd bet my life they won't...I'll be there waiting.

[Patriam1066]

I will link you data about maintenance costs that disagrees with your rankings and places Honda #1, stay tuned. Regardless, I own a Toyota and not a Honda, good choice either way

[Patriam1066]

I can’t find it, so I’ll just admit I was wrong. When I looked for cost of ownership, numbers showed Kia and Hyundai being the lowest, and Mazda was lowest cost of maintenance

I stand corrected, although I still prefer the Honda Accord 2.0 sport to any Camry!

[Mblake1981]

civic same size as accord.

Bullseye. The current Ford Rangers are as big as 90s/early 2000 F150s. Everything keeps getting wider and fatter with safety. I don't think you can buy single-cab pickups anymore and they don't offer any cheap 'sport trucks' like they once did.

You need high end interiors and a suspension made for comfort. The pickup truck was a utility vehicle, not a soccer mom 'sport utility vehicle'. A work truck. Straight axle. 4X4.
It wasn't a $60,000 King Douche Ranch or something fay like that.

Fatter, wider, heavier, safety, uglier, comfort, safety. Needs to appeal to the Starbucks in you. Sprinkle glitter everywhere! :o

https://i.imgur.com/5FrhSvH.jpg

[Mblake1981]

I stand corrected, although I still prefer the Honda Accord sport to any Camry!

Before I found this Si in Houston and had it shipped here, the car I was looking at was an Accord sport with the 300hp V6 and Manual.. which is rare as hens teeth. Someone snatched it up before I could.

This was my next option, its smaller, less HP but has a 6-speed standard, thankfully no lady automatics or weirdo flappy-paddles in my street car. :mad:

I only want manual cars.

[Danth]

And I'm a honda guy through and through. My first car was a 1988 honda CRX got 50mpg and I sold it to my dad and he took it to 290,000 miles and it still got 54mpg on the highway at that time.

My first car was a Sedan de Ville I bought for a song--practically new--when the original purchaser barely used it then rudely died, leaving it to be repo'd. Beautiful thing, soft ride, open airy interior, huge seats, steering light as a feather--and the perfect car to be dating in when most of my peers foolishly wanted cramped-up sardine cans like Camaros or Porches. It demanded premium gas and if I drove it gently I could finagle 20 MPG or so out of it in normal driving, but gas was cheap. It met its end when some dweeb in an Accord decided to run a stop sign and I broadsided him at ~50 MPH. Car did its job--broke his Honda in half, protected me nicely. Other dude would've lost his legs if he was about 18 inches farther forward.

Bought it after trashing the hell out of dad's Mercury. Teenage boys are such jerks. I'm glad I have a daughter.

I've only ever owned Cadillacs and Buicks, up 'till the present Dodge van I use as a daily driver (and do not love). Worst car the wife and I had between us was a Lincoln Continental of hers that blew head gaskets on about an annual basis. Ford never seemed to fix that particular problem. We ended up ridding ourselves of the stupid thing and she bought a new Grand Marquis instead....even that's a few cars ago, now. Time flies.

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Blake: Not only are modern trucks huge, but most of them are jacked up so high now that they're difficult to actually use for work, loading and unloading. I'm tall and I have a hard time reaching over the bedside of some of them. It's silly.

I don't care for stick shifts, though. An F-600 flatbed cured me of that particular affliction.

Danth

[Patriam1066]

Before I found this Si in Houston and had it shipped here, the car I was looking at was an Accord sport with the 300hp V6 and Manual.. which is rare as hens teeth. Someone snatched it up before I could.

This was my next option, its smaller, less HP but has a 6-speed standard, thankfully no lady automatics or weirdo flappy-paddles in my street car. :mad:

I only want manual cars.

Exactly why I almost bought a type R as a daily driver, but it looks like shit and only Chinese with tattoos who think they can fight because they take jiujitsu would drive

[Gustoo]

Bullseye. The current Ford Rangers are as big as 90s/early 2000 F150s. Everything keeps getting wider and fatter with safety. I don't think you can buy single-cab pickups anymore and they don't offer any cheap 'sport trucks' like they once did.

You need high end interiors and a suspension made for comfort. The pickup truck was a utility vehicle, not a soccer mom 'sport utility vehicle'. A work truck. Straight axle. 4X4.
It wasn't a $60,000 King Douche Ranch or something fay like that.

Fatter, wider, heavier, safety, uglier, comfort, safety. Needs to appeal to the Starbucks in you. Sprinkle glitter everywhere! :o

https://i.imgur.com/5FrhSvH.jpg

You can still get a single cab F150 short bed and a single cab dodge short bed.

But chevy dropped it.

Yeah I like ricer style, but the new civics are just not small. I'd rather have a ford fiesta ST

But yeah a new truck is 40,000 dollars.

I mean almost a new anything is 20,000 and mostly 30,000

[Mblake1981]

My first car was a Sedan de Ville I bought for a song--practically new--when the original purchaser barely used it then rudely died, leaving it to be repo'd. Beautiful thing, soft ride, open airy interior, huge seats, steering light as a feather--and the perfect car to be dating in when most of my peers foolishly wanted cramped-up sardine cans like Camaros or Porches.

Small, cramped interiors and a manual are tough. When the lady wants to 'kiss you goodnight' while driving. Not for the uncoordinated! :o

[Patriam1066]

The new BRZ supposedly has 230 horsepower. Not bad if it’s a stick and 3000ish lbs

Those small ass tires are garbage though

[Mblake1981]

You can still get a single cab F150 short bed and a single cab dodge short bed.

But chevy dropped it.

Yeah I like ricer style, but the new civics are just not small. I'd rather have a ford fiesta ST

But yeah a new truck is 40,000 dollars.

I mean almost a new anything is 20,000 and mostly 30,000

Ah, I didn't know or just haven't seen any. Not like it used to be anyway. I don't like ricer style and would actively hate on it, I often diss 'elite computer gamers' who have RGB disco lighting in their rigs. 2 fasst 2furious and all that, complete with racer chair. Notice how the computer industry started to focus on gimmicks when a new processor or better GPU didn't get the attention. :o

[Gustoo]

Just look for a used version of any toyota car, its a lot of money, or 200+ K miles

Regularly I find 200,000 mile 4 runners for 20,000 dollars. Thats a totally whipped car being sold for about half of a high spec brand new one. Thats insane. Thats loyalty, and thats trust in a platform. Nothing else comes close.

It is a shame that a regular pickup is so hard to come by. Last I checked a regular basic F250 could be had with Zero features and rubber floors and stuff, but I'm sure they are 30K or close to it.

Stick shifts are not my favorite in trucks, but it really depends on the car. I like them on things that I need as much control as possible or that I need the most power out of as possible, like a small light car. The other good application is something you want to last as long as possible (WAY LONG) and have no high maintenance surprises. An auto is great until it breaks, and even toyota automatics (aisin?) can fail once you get above 150k but usually in the 200k miles mark. With an auto thats 2000 dollars or more, with a manual thats a 250 dollar clutch set and a saturday.

So, ya. The trouble is that cars because they are directly connected to the cost of raw materials, labor, health care for that labor, insurance, etc are direct indicators of the cost of business. A normal persons ability to buy one outright is a very good indicator of the weakening of the American middle class and their relative wage decreases over the years against inflation.

Since this is a forum for insanity to take place, I would propose that wages that employers pay have gone up SUBSTANTIALLY they are very generation, but those increases all go to health insurance fleecer / scalpers and liability insurance fleecer / scalpers and none of those increases go to the employee.

It is the legal liability system that cripples most of what people want to do in the USA. We have a non common sense based system that ruins lives all over the place. Many things are decided against not because they are good or bad but because they expose someone or some company to liability that isn't worth the trouble. Its hell.

[Mblake1981]

Stick shifts are not my favorite in trucks, but it really depends on the car. I like them on things that I need as much control as possible or that I need the most power out of as possible, like a small light car.

Driving is boring and not interesting without something to do. I have to say that I live in the country side with minimal city traffic during my work day, I probably would not own a manual if I had too much stop-n-go traffic.

It's a skill being able to do it well, in all conditions and locations. I like that, it feels good.

A clutch is so second nature to me that I will try to find the clutch pedal when I sit in an automatic, like when I drive a friends car. Light turns red, I have that minor "oh shit" moment when my left foot hits the floorboard. :o

[Gustoo]

Ya it takes me about 2 seconds to get used to my wifes auto vs my manual. But yeah I don't prefer manuals in trucks.

[Shawk]

I have never had anything but standard.. Manual everything I swear makes a car last 200% longer, and even if you fuck up a plate, replacing it isn't as hard or expensive as replacing a auto transmission..

Same goes for automatic windows etc, replacing those engines is extremely annoying/expensive in comparison to a manual window, and they are always way cheaper. That said I know how to do everything manual so I guess I am bias.

In general at least in my area owning a manual is way cheaper.. Gas too if you know how to drive economically.

[Gravydoo II]

The new BRZ supposedly has 230 horsepower. Not bad if it’s a stick and 3000ish lbs

Those small ass tires are garbage though

wide tires would make it darty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RME5l2vV60c&ab_channel=MSNBCMSNBCVerified

UCC ODR diesel drags, dyno, and pulling.

[Mblake1981]

https://twitter.com/WorldofOutlaws/status/1400971110569713667

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[Toxigen]

Ferrari on Pole in Baku.

[Mblake1981]

https://twitter.com/SSuperTrucks/status/1401214987671068675

https://i.imgur.com/aed5fv7.jpg

[Gravydoo II]

Ferrari on Pole in Baku.

cant cheat, it wont last.

[Gravydoo II]

it didnt.

[Toxigen]

What a race today.

No points for Mercedes, 5 different teams in the top 5, Checo, Vettel, Gasly podium.

And of course this restart:

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Precisely why F1 is by far the best form of racing. Period.

[Jibartik]

as a layman here it looks like the fastest driver lost because of a random malfunction so doesn't look like skill is a factor with this sport?

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/odFrCm7.jpg

[Toxigen]

as a layman here it looks like the fastest driver lost because of a random malfunction so doesn't look like skill is a factor with this sport?

Pirelli estimated 40 laps on hard tyres.

Stroll's left rear failed w/ 31 laps on them.

Verstappen, the clear race leader, left rear tyre failed with 6 laps to go (33 on the tyres) and he went into the wall at 200 mph.

They red-flagged, standing restart, Checo was in front. Hamilton's brake balance was out of whack (full heavy to the fronts) and he blew the first turn going for an inside pass.

[Mblake1981]

Precisely why F1 is by far the best form of racing. Period.

Because only fake fans would appreciate the engine noises. :o

[Mblake1981]

Knock Knock

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[Gravydoo II]

that was crazy. i wish all the races were like that

[Toxigen]

the memes are solid this week after baku

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[Mblake1981]

aww yeahh

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[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/fr7T14q.png

[Gravydoo II]

damn when that continental truck unsettled the Carlisle truck for that one second it was over.

[Mblake1981]

https://twitter.com/TonyStewart_Rcg/status/1403431007240568832

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/cscczW9.jpg

[Jibartik]

Who is the best car/truck manufacturer?

soccer fans ITT

FIAT!

Opal!

[Gravydoo II]

alfa romeo! lol

[Toxigen]

alfa romeo! lol

hey at least alfa has a F1 team

[Gustoo]

https://i.imgur.com/cscczW9.jpg


Merc stands for mercury for fucks sake.

Benz perhaps? Geez

[Toxigen]

Merc stands for mercury for fucks sake.

Benz perhaps? Geez

tough crowd for a tits meme

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checo save absolutely nasty

[Mblake1981]

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[Gravydoo II]

Dont believe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Yy5P6FUes&ab_channel=WhistlinDiesel

No fluid in radiator. Rock climbing im moab or some shit. Stock toyota.

[Toxigen]

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[Mblake1981]

*sniff*

A steering wheel and gearbox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_MP4/6

https://i.imgur.com/KQOOLUa.jpg

[Mblake1981]

Highlights from Dubuque.

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[unsunghero]

Got royally fucked by my oil change place who left my radiator cap off and fried my frontier’s engine. Now I have to take them to small claims court

Had to get a new vehicle in the meantime. Always wanted a Tacoma ever since I was a kid, and when I was looking for a used one I noticed new ones were only like $1-3k more due to how well they keep their value

So then I set out to get a new one, but the market is absolutely fucking bonkers right now. No dealer can keep any mew vehicles on the lot due to a major lack of supply due to the computer chip shortage

I had to drive 130 miles to get the new 2021 Tacoma TRD Off Road (Automatic, don’t hate, I drove a manual truck as my first truck for 5ish years before I got sick of manual). 37k MSRP, and there is NO haggling on price in this environment, sadly. Dealers don’t give F if you walk, they actually spend all their day apologizing to people for not having any stock

I’ll be making payments on it the next 7 years since I couldn’t do a trade in since my truck was totaled (until my lawsuit gets me the money to fix the engine). But she’s a beaut. First pic is right after I got her, second one is after washing and 303’ing (rubber/vinyl UV protector) this morning

[Baler]

Why are vehicles not made out of stainless steel?

seriously,. less prone to rust and longer lasting.

Oh Profit. sorry.

[Gustoo]

No, its bad at everything besides rust. It experiences galvanic corrosion when touching dissimilar metals like aluminum and stuff, its expensive and soft and heavy as hell. Literally bad at everything compared to high strength steel EXCEPT corrosion, and even stainless steel can and will still corrode.

So galvanized HSS is best, and yeah that might be for profit that cars aren't more rust proof, because I've got a galvanized bucket that has been outside filled with water for 15 years and has zero rust.

But it's not just being scum bags. There are real reasons.

Best material is plastic, or carbon fiber or whatever and an anodized aluminum frame. That is strictly a cost issue I believe, as the unibody of a steel car is strong and safe and structurally sound and can be made more quickly than an aluminum space frame with plastic/fiberglass/carbon fiber panels or something.

I dunno. Car MFG's are smart though. The fact is that the outside of a car mostly lasts as long as the car is designed to last, 200k miles or so.

Beyond that the car is considered ready for the dump. This isn't how we should be making cars, but resources are valued too low to justify the cost of human labor to keep repairing old cars, so we scrap them.

[Mblake1981]

Lots of good racing this weekend,
Super Trucks are on after Indy.
Happy 4th! :cool::D

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[Gozuk]

More than you can afford, pal. Ferrari.

[Mblake1981]

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[Blingy]

More than you can afford, pal. Ferrari.

Enzo got his ass kicked by a farm boy that wore overalls.