Covid Spike Proteins (mRNA Vaccines) cause Vascular Damage

[Horza]

I didn't make an atomic bomb dipshit. Just like I'm not knowingly injecting baby fetuses into my body.

Your concept of culpability and false equivelence is beyond retarded. That is some seriously impressive mental gymnastics.

While fetal cell lines may be used to develop or manufacture COVID-19 vaccines, the vaccines themselves do not contain any aborted fetal cells. The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna do not require the use of any fetal cell cultures in order to manufacture (produce) the vaccine. Early in the development of mRNA vaccine technology, fetal cells were used for “proof of concept” (to demonstrate how a cell could take up mRNA and produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein) or to characterize the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine. However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines. Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion…one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.” (https://www.health.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/COVID%20Vaccine%20Page/COVID-19_Vaccine_Fetal_Cell_Handout.pdf)

[Jibartik]

I didnt read any of that but did you know that spike protines are what the zombie virus is?

[Raev]

None of the covid vaccines contain this you moron lol

The Johnson & Johnson flavor of the TrumpVax, as a normal vaccine, is propagated via cancerous fetal cells from a 1985 abortion, which are then pureed and centrifuged. You'll have to decide whether you think this qualifies as fetal tissue. Personally, I wonder why anyone would intentionally inject pureed cancer cells into their body.

Ignorance on display.

Byue, if you want to change people's minds, why don't you post facts rather than calling them idiots? And while I am the last person to defend US Imperialism, the atomic bomb was used 76 years ago. I don't think anyone alive can reasonably be held responsible for that. Even Henry Kissinger, then 23, was busy oppressing conquered Germany rather than deciding to nuke Japan. Why don't you talk about the US drone assassinations? Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._drone_strikes) claims over 10,000 deaths of which some 1500 were civilians and 400 were children. It's a beautifully bipartisan program, too. Obama started it and Trump expanded it.

The alternative? An FDA with expertise in neither food nor drug? I'm not going to see a doctor for my ruptured appendix, he's a career medical insider!

I don't see how you can claim that the FDA is an alternative to government/corporate corruption when it is in fact part of the government. Emergency surgeries are one of the few things our medical system does well, probably because it's difficult to fake a clinical trial of someone bleeding to death in front of you. But for everything else, well, why do you think there exists a complete parallel health care system in the US that people pay for out of their own pockets? For example, the Kresser Institute (https://kresserinstitute.com/). If the mainstream medical system actually worked they would have crushed the alternative practitioners by now.

[cd288]

The Johnson & Johnson flavor of the TrumpVax, as a normal vaccine, is propagated via cancerous fetal cells from a 1985 abortion, which are then pureed and centrifuged. You'll have to decide whether you think this qualifies as fetal tissue. Personally, I wonder why anyone would intentionally inject pureed cancer cells into their body.



Byue, if you want to change people's minds, why don't you post facts rather than calling them idiots? And while I am the last person to defend US Imperialism, the atomic bomb was used 76 years ago. I don't think anyone alive can reasonably be held responsible for that. Even Henry Kissinger, then 23, was busy oppressing conquered Germany rather than deciding to nuke Japan. Why don't you talk about the US drone assassinations? Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._drone_strikes) claims over 10,000 deaths of which some 1500 were civilians and 400 were children. It's a beautifully bipartisan program, too. Obama started it and Trump expanded it.



I don't see how you can claim that the FDA is an alternative to government/corporate corruption when it is in fact part of the government. Emergency surgeries are one of the few things our medical system does well, probably because it's difficult to fake a clinical trial of someone bleeding to death in front of you. But for everything else, well, why do you think there exists a complete parallel health care system in the US that people pay for out of their own pockets? For example, the Kresser Institute (https://kresserinstitute.com/). If the mainstream medical system actually worked they would have crushed the alternative practitioners by now.

Things you are told by QAnon followers don’t qualify as accurate sources lol

[Horza]

For example, the Kresser Institute (https://kresserinstitute.com/).

Chris Kresser, M.S., L.Ac., is a renowned expert, leading clinician, and top educator in the fields of Functional Medicine and ancestral health. He has appeared regularly in the media, including The Dr. Oz Show and Fox & Friends.

Sounds legit.

[Raev]

Things you are told by QAnon followers don’t qualify as accurate sources lol

How about Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-johnson-aborted/fact-check-johnson-johnsons-covid-19-vaccine-does-not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9)?

Johnson & Johnson used a human fetal cell line called PER.C6, developed from the retinal cells of an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985 in its production and manufacturing stages. “Though fetal cells are used in the production of the vaccine, they do not remain after the production process,” Adalja explained. “The contents of the vaccine or filtered in a way that removes extraneous material prior to packaging.”

He calls it filtering rather than pureeing and centrifuging, but he means the same thing. Simply put, they do not know what is actually in there.

[Horza]

How about Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-johnson-aborted/fact-check-johnson-johnsons-covid-19-vaccine-does-not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9)?



He calls it filtering rather than pureeing and centrifuging, but he means the same thing. Simply put, they do not know what is actually in there.

Bro quit posting acupuncturists like they know anything about immunology.

[cd288]

How about Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-johnson-aborted/fact-check-johnson-johnsons-covid-19-vaccine-does-not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9)?



He calls it filtering rather than pureeing and centrifuging, but he means the same thing. Simply put, they do not know what is actually in there.

I’m not really sure what your point is. It’s not like using a fetal cell in a production stage in order to create a vaccine for testing is dangerous to your health when you get the vaccine lol

[Gwaihir]

I would venture to say "sin" is in there, as well as I pretty much all of the other vaccines for other stuff. I don't want that shit in my body. Final answer.

[cd288]

I would venture to say "sin" is in there, as well as I pretty much all of the other vaccines for other stuff. I don't want that shit in my body. Final answer.

You’re a moron lol

[Raev]

I’m not really sure what your point is. It’s not like using a fetal cell in a production stage in order to create a vaccine for testing is dangerous to your health when you get the vaccine lol

How do you know? There are no long term studies of any of the COVID vaccines.

In any case the Johnson and Johnson flavor of the TrumpVax contains all of the parts of the pureed cancerous fetal cells that were small enough to make it through the filtration. Does it not seem eminently reasonable that injecting that into your body might be, well, not a great idea?

[Baler]

I'm happy people are so eager to test the vaccine for me.

You people are my Cup bearer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cup-bearer), making sure it's safe.

[Kaveh]

I’m glad you survived covid baler

[Raev]

I'm happy people are so eager to test the vaccine for me.

Well said! I don't understand why people are lining up to take Trump's emergency-use-only vaccines. Personally I don't trust that weasel farther than I can throw him, and he's quite overweight.

[Kaveh]

How do you know? There are no long term studies of any of the COVID vaccines.

In any case the Johnson and Johnson flavor of the TrumpVax contains all of the parts of the pureed cancerous fetal cells that were small enough to make it through the filtration. Does it not seem eminently reasonable that injecting that into your body might be, well, not a great idea?

All of this is completely made up my man, how do you live with yourself when lying is a sin? You do realize Christ forgives but only those who go to him in purity? Others, yourself included, go to the Lake of Fire

[Baler]

I’m glad you survived covid baler
I don't know why you don't like me, we can be frens.

Was never at risk of dieing from covid, even if the worst case spit in my open mouth. Past posts of mine reflect that I do think the vulnerable and high risk should be protected.

[cd288]

How do you know? There are no long term studies of any of the COVID vaccines.

In any case the Johnson and Johnson flavor of the TrumpVax contains all of the parts of the pureed cancerous fetal cells that were small enough to make it through the filtration. Does it not seem eminently reasonable that injecting that into your body might be, well, not a great idea?

Lol dude the way your mind works is wildly insane

[Raev]

All of this is completely made up my man, how do you live with yourself when lying is a sin? You do realize Christ forgives but only those who go to him in purity? Others, yourself included, go to the Lake of Fire

Lol dude the way your mind works is wildly insane

I don't understand why you guys haven't figured out that I source everything rigorously. https://www.jnj.com/innovation/making-johnson-johnson-janssen-covid-19-vaccine

In the first step of the production process, cells are grown in a bioreactor. "Then we introduce our virus seed, which is our actual drug product," Colarusso says. "These cells then replicate to a very high degree so that we can make millions of doses of our investigational Janssen COVID-19 vaccine candidate from one batch. Then we purify that solution to make something called drug substance, which is an active ingredient."

Let me break that down for you:

Reproduce cancerous fetal cells in bioreactor. They have to be cancerous because normal cell lines would have died off back in 1987
Add COVID (the 'virus seed') so the cancerous fetal cells can make lots of copies of it
'Purify' the solution means pureeing it and filtering it so nothing larger than a virus remains . . . which includes all sorts of celluar debris and toxins
Profit

[Baler]

eLet me break that down for you:

Reproduce cancerous fetal cells in bioreactor. They have to be cancerous because normal cell lines would have died off back in 1987
Add COVID (the 'virus seed') so the cancerous fetal cells can make lots of copies of it
'Purify' the solution means pureeing it and filtering it so nothing larger than a virus remains . . . which includes all sorts of celluar debris and toxins
Profit


This reads like a code error, like someone is treating the human body like a computer system. Something interacted where the programmers didn't expect it, but don't worry everything will be fixed in an upcoming patch. so 'sorry' for everyone who was negatively effected by the error.

[Raev]

This reads like a code error, like someone is treating the human body like a computer system. Something interacted where the programmers didn't expect it, but don't worry everything will be fixed in an upcoming patch. so 'sorry' for everyone who was negatively effected by the error.

And if this seems too heinous and downright evil to be real, go watch any nature TV episode. The people at the top are determined to win the game of evolution and have their children rule you like sheep.

[Kaveh]

I don't know why you don't like me, we can be frens.

Was never at risk of dieing from covid, even if the worst case spit in my open mouth. Past posts of mine reflect that I do think the vulnerable and high risk should be protected.

I said I’m glad you survived covid. Why do you think that means I don’t like you?

[Kaveh]

I don't understand why you guys haven't figured out that I source everything rigorously. https://www.jnj.com/innovation/making-johnson-johnson-janssen-covid-19-vaccine



Let me break that down for you:

Reproduce cancerous fetal cells in bioreactor. They have to be cancerous because normal cell lines would have died off back in 1987
Add COVID (the 'virus seed') so the cancerous fetal cells can make lots of copies of it
'Purify' the solution means pureeing it and filtering it so nothing larger than a virus remains . . . which includes all sorts of celluar debris and toxins
Profit


You didn’t source any of the claims you’re making. Child mortality was 50% before vaccines and antibiotics, I guess you long for the days of yore when death was common

SAD BIGLY!

[Gravydoo II]

Meatloaf said 2 outta 3 aint bad.

[Pulgasari]

The vaccine fetus thing is kissing kin to homeopathy, which is haram.

[cd288]

I’m loving being vaccinated it’s awesome.

And the best part about it is once they start requiring vaccine passports to get into places, go to concerts and events, fly on planes, etc. we won’t have to interact with idiots like OP because they won’t be allowed in anywhere lol

[Baler]

I’m loving being vaccinated it’s awesome.

And the best part about it is once they start requiring vaccine passports to get into places, go to concerts and events, fly on planes, etc. we won’t have to interact with idiots like OP because they won’t be allowed in anywhere lol

Thank you for taking an experimental vaccine which we don't fully understand the side effects of yet.

in 2022 I hope you are first in line to test the new vaccine! Otherwise your vaccine paperwork may not be valid.

[hobart]

Thank you for taking an experimental vaccine which we don't fully understand the side effects of yet.

in 2022 I hope you are first in line to test the new vaccine! Otherwise your vaccine paperwork may not be valid.

It's not we. You don't understand the side effects. That's because you're an ideologue with bad beliefs, bad ideas, and bad sources of information.

I feel like there are plenty of medical professionals who understand the side effects pretty well. Especially when they were studied the exact same way all other vaccines were with the exception of time.

[G13]

I’m loving being vaccinated it’s awesome.

And the best part about it is once they start requiring vaccine passports to get into places, go to concerts and events, fly on planes, etc. we won’t have to interact with idiots like OP because they won’t be allowed in anywhere lol

Proof that none of this has anything to do with a virus

[Baler]

It's not we. You don't understand the side effects. That's because you're an ideologue with bad beliefs, bad ideas, and bad sources of information.

I feel like there are plenty of medical professionals who understand the side effects pretty well. Especially when they were studied the exact same way all other vaccines were with the exception of time.

I give the guy thanks and you shit talk me :confused:
I'm thankful there are people who are willing to take it. This way I can make a decision based on results. :)

[Raev]

Proof that none of this has anything to do with a virus

Honestly this thread has been an eye opener for me. I know how these persuasion tricks work and yet it's still amazing to see their incredible power in action. I mean, just look at the past few pages of this thread. cd288 comes in and declares everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. He is then repeatedly shown Pfizer's and JnJ's own documentation to the contrary, but his brain simply refuses to process the new information, and after vanishing for a day he reappears and declares everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot and needs to be quarantined.

What makes this all so amazing is that I'm sure under most circumstances cd288 is an average guy with a job who can hold a conversation and make reasonable decisions. But having waffled and finally decided to take the TrumpVax, he's now internally committed and his rational brain has been overridden by his emotional brain. He won't blink at the third or fourth or fifth booster shots that he was told he wouldn't need, and he'll keep wearing a mask and social distancing despite his theoretical protection - after all, if the vaccine doesn't protect you from COVID, what's the point exactly?

However, I wonder if our Overlords may have slightly miscalculated here. They have spent so much time training Republicans and Democrats hate each other that the more the Democrats espouse the vaccine the more instinctively the Republicans will avoid it, and no system of control can be enforced when over 1/3 of the population refuses it. I have a strong suspicion that in the end the vaccine passport will work the exact opposite of how people expect. Texans and Floridians are already upset about Californians and New Yorkers fleeing their lockdown hellholes and bringing their politics with them. The obvious solution will be to not allow the vaccinated NPCs in. It definitely won't happen tomorrow, but I think within a few years Red and Blue states will be even more polarized than they are now.

[HalflingSpergand]

Maybe finally then we can do a civil war larp, there is hope for satanic murderers

[Gwaihir]

Pass on mainlining fetal soup.

[hobart]

I give the guy thanks and you shit talk me :confused:
I'm thankful there are people who are willing to take it. This way I can make a decision based on results. :)

You already have all the information you need.

I suggest the Death of Expertise by Tom Nichols. A Republican who teaches/taught at the Navy War College. Great read.

[hobart]

Honestly this thread has been an eye opener for me.

No it hasn't. You're still a conspiracy theorist.

[Horza]

I have a strong suspicion that in the end the vaccine passport will work the exact opposite of how people expect. Texans and Floridians are already upset about Californians and New Yorkers fleeing their lockdown hellholes and bringing their politics with them. The obvious solution will be to not allow the vaccinated NPCs in. It definitely won't happen tomorrow, but I think within a few years Red and Blue states will be even more polarized than they are now.

Raev being one of those vaccine shedder, Alex Jones types actually explains a lot.

[Jibartik]

Maybe finally then we can do a civil war larp, there is hope for satanic murderers

well...

Thank you for taking an experimental vaccine which we don't fully understand the side effects of yet.

in 2022 I hope you are first in line to test the new vaccine! Otherwise your vaccine paperwork may not be valid.

I think this could be a fun way to get us there, will be nice when the vaccinated come to collect for being guinipigs by forcing passports to buy or sell! :o

[Patriam1066]

If you guys care so much what goes into your bodies, why are you all obese? Lose some weight and maybe I’ll consider your skepticism. Until then, salute the flag and do your fucking duty

[Gravydoo II]

Because they are so busy reading all those science papers about vaccines and rna and shit. I imagine randy from trailer park boys in a lab coat, cowboy boots, and no shirt, burning that midnight oil studying up on vaccines, human biology, and their interactions. Got the little weber on the desk, flippin cheese burgers lolol

Cut em some slack

[Gwaihir]

If you guys care so much what goes into your bodies, why are you all obese? Lose some weight and maybe I’ll consider your skepticism. Until then, salute the flag and do your fucking duty

I'm not oh beast, bro

[Jimjam]

So any guilds providing DKP incentive for prosocial behaviours, such as getting vaxed?

[Jimjam]

If you guys care so much what goes into your bodies, why are you all obese? Lose some weight and maybe I’ll consider your skepticism. Until then, salute the flag and do your fucking duty

I enjoyed learning about the 'Over a tonne' window in the BMI thread.

[Gwaihir]

Just to clarify here for everyone.
Due to the nature of the dialog corresponding over the past 24 hours, it has become readily apparent that Gravydoop, and Horza; two resident outrage manufacturers on these forums, have indeed NOT been vaccinated despite shilling for you to get vaccinated for the past 30 pages, even though COVID vaccination is FREE at CVS Rite-Aid and a number of other retail pharmacy chains throughout the country.

They think YOU should be government mandated to get vaccinated while refusing to be vaccinated themselves.

[Byue]

I am vaccinated.
And everyone should.


You can resist intellectualism.
But why?

[HalflingSpergand]

Its gay

[Byue]

Its gay

What is.

your mom, your dad, your sister, your tendencies, your best friend whos aid he loves you last night?

Can you elaborate a little on your lack of original thought?

[HalflingSpergand]

Get fucked gay guy

[Evia]

LOL @ injecting yourself for no guarantee of immunity and calling it "intellectualism."

[Byue]

Get fucked gay guy

What a constructive reply. I feel informed now sir.
I wish you di that more often.
It is really helpful to the conversation and show everyone your great personality.

If I was a carebear, my bellybutton would spring forth with like a heart all the way over to your face bruv.
The world is a better place, thanks to you.

LOL @ injecting yourself for no guarantee of immunity and calling it "intellectualism."

I guess lol @ not injecting yourself during a global pandemic and believing you are smart.
I mean, the amount of work behind the vaccine, and to understand the vaccine, is basically intellectualism but you missed that.
How cute.

Continue your intellectualism crusade by telling people masks don't work.

[Gwaihir]

It doesn't stop you from spreading it to grandma either. It's advertised as "lessening the severity of symptoms" for one's self only.

[Pulgasari]

It doesn't stop you from spreading it to grandma either. It's advertised as "lessening the severity of symptoms" for one's self only.

Immunity to the symptoms is different from immunity how?

[Byue]

It doesn't stop you from spreading it to grandma either. It's advertised as "lessening the severity of symptoms" for one's self only.

So if you take the vaccine.
And you get greatly reduced symptoms and a greatly reduced chance to die and that both you and grand-ma take it, who is now safe?
You, or grand-ma, or both?

What is hard to understand?


Like you cannot die from a disease you catch fucking yet you put on a rubber if you don't know her. Not a single disease can kill you. Stop it, with AIDS, what are you, poor? Nobody dies from AIDS in western countries.

And you put on rubbers.

"because I don't want her to get pregnant it's different"


no.
You see a risky activity.
And you protect yourself from all angles, however low the chances are.
This is the simple truth you do not apply to coronavirus.

Because you have reasons.

"y u take it if it only reduce symptoms?"
Eating only reduce symptoms of hunger and it is great.
And if everyone get reduced symptoms.
And a reduced chance of dying.

I'd say the shit is working.
But I no as smart as u.

This is basically: if we all work toward the same goal, we will make it!
you: but if I don't help, it won't work, right?
me: yup.
you: ok cool I'm not helping.

[Pulgasari]

Viral nucleic acids are seeds of the rebel Lucifer and must be thwarted with extreme prejudice

:cool:

[Gwaihir]

So if you take the vaccine.
And you get greatly reduced symptoms and a greatly reduced chance to die and that both you and grand-ma take it, who is now safe?
You, or grand-ma, or both?

What is hard to understand?


Like you cannot die from a disease you catch fucking yet you put on a rubber if you don't know her. Not a single disease can kill you. Stop it, with AIDS, what are you, poor? Nobody dies from AIDS in western countries.

And you put on rubbers.

"because I don't want her to get pregnant it's different"


no.
You see a risky activity.
And you protect yourself from all angles, however low the chances are.
This is the simple truth you do not apply to coronavirus.

Because you have reasons.

"y u take it if it only reduce symptoms?"
Eating only reduce symptoms of hunger and it is great.
And if everyone get reduced symptoms.
And a reduced chance of dying.

I'd say the shit is working.
But I no as smart as u.

This is basically: if we all work toward the same goal, we will make it!
you: but if I don't help, it won't work, right?
me: yup.
you: ok cool I'm not helping.
I'm cool with suffering the full brunt of it. Grandma can go get vaccinated if she's scurried. I'll take my 99.98% chance. Thanks for your concern though.

[Byue]

I'm cool with suffering the full brunt of it. Grandma can go get vaccinated if she's scurried. I'll take my 99.98% chance. Thanks for your concern though.

I wish you get it, feel like shit for a few week, suffer from long covid and that covid mutated in you and now is a strong variant and we find out where it mutated and we give the new variant your full name so we can still agree to how stupid you are in 2000 years.


A stranger has 99.99% chance of knocking you out and never be found out.
Just remember that when you talk about covid.

[Gwaihir]

That's very humanitarian and kind of you. Thanks. The warmth just radiates off of you. I'm feelin' it. Wanna grab a coffee sometime?

[Byue]

That's very humanitarian and kind of you. Thanks.

Just so you are aware, I knew this was your angle of attack.
I mean, you got the subtlety of an old barely working tractor.

Can you imagine what does that make you, though?

Very humanitarian and kind of you to refuse a vaccine that could reduce death and the variant possibility and the chance that this virus becomes a nuisance.

In the middle of a pandemic.



You republicans really need to reevaluate your gotcha moments.
What does that makes me, to wish you a virus that you think is harmless and what does that make you, refusing to vaccinate against a virus most consider a threat?

You are clearly a humanitarian and a very kind person -and courageous and brave- to refuse a vaccine during a global pandemic.

It's not like it could help.

[Gwaihir]

Wanna catch Covid together? You can get the lesser, and I can get the greater. I just wanna drink codeine cough syrup with you

[Gwaihir]

Btw. The vaccination doesn't claim to decrease the chance of mutation in those who become infected with covid. Look at India

[HalflingSpergand]

I wish you get it, feel like shit for a few week, suffer from long covid and that covid mutated in you and now is a strong variant and we find out where it mutated and we give the new variant your full name so we can still agree to how stupid you are in 2000 years.


A stranger has 99.99% chance of knocking you out and never be found out.
Just remember that when you talk about covid.

Wishing death on fellow forum enjoyer, not healthy!

[Gwaihir]

Wishing death on fellow forum enjoyer, not healthy!

Typical of lefties though.

Listen to me or die. Totally not fascist

[Gwaihir]

I long to be remembered for rivalling Maleficent,and Skeletor

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/pS07UIk.png

[Gwaihir]

We're going to need you to get vaccinated bro

[Jibartik]

lol what horza thinks conservatives talk about

[Jimjam]

lol what horza thinks conservatives talk about

If you think about it, horza having this knowledge is an admission that horza is conservative.

[Gwaihir]

Could the reason Horza hasn't vaxxed be because he doesn't "trust the science"?

[Horza]

lol what horza thinks conservatives talk about

I mean it's why Teppler's first forum account got banned.

[Evia]

What a constructive reply. I feel informed now sir.
I wish you di that more often.
It is really helpful to the conversation and show everyone your great personality.

If I was a carebear, my bellybutton would spring forth with like a heart all the way over to your face bruv.
The world is a better place, thanks to you.



I guess lol @ not injecting yourself during a global pandemic and believing you are smart.
I mean, the amount of work behind the vaccine, and to understand the vaccine, is basically intellectualism but you missed that.
How cute.

Continue your intellectualism crusade by telling people masks don't work.



I understand the vaccine just fine. That's exactly why I'm not taking it.

Intellectualism imho would be critical thinking. Which would involve going through the following steps in your mind.

1)it's not natural or normal to inject foreign shit into your body. Especially in the name of fear.
2)it's not guaranteed immunity
3) side effects. Sometimes severe
4) if you have an adverse reaction to the vaccine you cannot hold anyone liable.
5)understanding you have an immune system for a reason
6) how many other deadly diseases are out there that we don't vaccinate for? Some scarier and more deadly than the ones I'm supposed to vaccinate for.


So anyone who is ACTUALLY using their brains and thinking can see how outrageously ridiculous it is. The only ones who don't are either worshiping the sources giving you the FEARinformation or too niave to think to question.

[Horza]

If you think about it, horza having this knowledge is an admission that horza is conservative.

When you're a generic looking white guy in the U.S. acquaintances will say some really stupid shit.

[Gwaihir]

When you're a generic looking white guy in the U.S. acquaintances will say some really stupid shit.

Agreed. My sister-in-law, whose a diehard leftie, covers her mouth sideways when she whispers about not wanting to live near "the blacks" when she discusses the travails of her and her husband are shopping for a house in the Sacramento area. They're actually vaccinated though.

[Gravydoo II]

I understand the vaccine just fine. That's exactly why I'm not taking it.

Intellectualism imho would be critical thinking. Which would involve going through the following steps in your mind.

1)it's not natural or normal to inject foreign shit into your body. Especially in the name of fear.
2)it's not guaranteed immunity
3) side effects. Sometimes severe
4) if you have an adverse reaction to the vaccine you cannot hold anyone liable.
5)understanding you have an immune system for a reason
6) how many other deadly diseases are out there that we don't vaccinate for? Some scarier and more deadly than the ones I'm supposed to vaccinate for.


So anyone who is ACTUALLY using their brains and thinking can see how outrageously ridiculous it is. The only ones who don't are either worshiping the sources giving you the FEARinformation or too niave to think to question.


Yet the Us military does this to every single recruit, every single one of them. Way to say every single person in the military is a moron for allowing them to inoculate against illness. When you got 6000 people sharing a ship, disease spreads like fire. They are all dummies though, every last one of them, according to you. Suckers and losers, right? Just like daddy said.

This is the thinking of a coward. Commissar?? Where is the commissar??

[Cecily]

The operation Onesimus referred to consisted of rubbing pus from an infected person into an open wound on the arm. Once the infected material was introduced into the body, the person who underwent the procedure was inoculated against smallpox. It wasn’t a vaccination, which involves exposure to a less dangerous virus to provoke immunity. But it did activate the recipient’s immune response and protected against the disease most of the time.

Mather was fascinated. He verified Onesimus’ story with that of other enslaved people, and learned that the practice had been used in Turkey and China. He became an evangelist for inoculation—also known as variolation—and spread the word throughout Massachusetts and elsewhere in the hopes it would help prevent smallpox.

But Mather hadn’t bargained on how unpopular the idea would be. The same prejudices that caused him to distrust his servant made other white colonists reluctant to undergo a medical procedure developed by or for Black people. Mather “was vilified,” historian Ted Widmer told WGBH. “A local newspaper, called The New England Courant, ridiculed him. An explosive device was thrown through his windows with an angry note. There was an ugly racial element to the anger.” Religion also contributed: Other preachers argued that it was against God’s will to expose his creatures to dangerous diseases.


https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-onesimus-slave-cotton-mather

[Patriam1066]

I understand the vaccine just fine. That's exactly why I'm not taking it.

Intellectualism imho would be critical thinking. Which would involve going through the following steps in your mind.

1)it's not natural or normal to inject foreign shit into your body. Especially in the name of fear.
2)it's not guaranteed immunity
3) side effects. Sometimes severe
4) if you have an adverse reaction to the vaccine you cannot hold anyone liable.
5)understanding you have an immune system for a reason
6) how many other deadly diseases are out there that we don't vaccinate for? Some scarier and more deadly than the ones I'm supposed to vaccinate for.


So anyone who is ACTUALLY using their brains and thinking can see how outrageously ridiculous it is. The only ones who don't are either worshiping the sources giving you the FEARinformation or too niave to think to question.

6. Plague is treated easily by antibiotics. That’s why we don’t vaccinate for it, like most bacterial pathogens. TB has a vaccine because it’s a nightmare to treat

Hep C doesn’t have a vaccine, nor does HIV, because one has not been developed yet. They’ve been working on both for decades, with no success.

What you’re implying isn’t at all based on the science, and it’s deeply conspiratorial. You’re basically implying “the powers that be” want HIV to persist. I hope you don’t actually believe that

I didn’t address any of the other points because some of them didn’t warrant a response, but yeah, there are potential side effects. I can’t argue with you on that. You just have to weigh that against 600,000 American deaths, with the nonzero chance that the next could either be your own or that of a family member. Most of us who are vaccinated probably think that that outweighs the infinitesimally small chance of a serious adverse event, but if your objection is side effects, I can respect that. What I can’t respect is “vaccines are fetal parts” or “covid is a hoax.” You’re allowed to dissent, but lying to yourself or others is still morally repugnant. Make your argument in good faith, don’t make shit up because you don’t understand, etc

As a reminder, under age 5 mortality was 50% prior to antibiotics and vaccines

[HalflingSpergand]

That's what they say isn't it

[Patriam1066]

Well sure, if everything ever learned in a school by everyone independently in every scientifically advanced country on earth is a lie, it could be that it’s all a conspiracy. But the simpler solution is that the Japanese and Taiwanese are smarter than you and you’d rather believe nonsense

[Mblake1981]

But the simpler solution is that the Japanese and Taiwanese are smarter than you and you’d rather believe nonsense

Give me the nonsense then. :o

[HalflingSpergand]

For the record i don't believe there is anything conspiratorial going on

[Jimjam]

Virgin: Dying of a severe cold virus.
Chad: Protecting yourself and those around you.
https://i.imgur.com/voeigJM.jpg

[HalflingSpergand]

No

[Xer0]

yep the covid spike rips of your bloodstreams. had it happen 2 me, but i didn't need the ER because i took care of myself, the doctors woulda just been dumb and probably killed me.

Sucks to live in America.

Lol you can't even form a coherent sentence in english, do you expect anyone to believe you know what you're talking about?

[Xer0]

ARE THEY DYING? Just curious because that's what fat old people do

Thats what everyone does. careful on that edge little man