Corpsing books

[Bbbeee]

Estimate on how long folks will be corpsing books for their guild bots?

[Jibartik]

Book not corpsed.

[Trexller]

Is Bvmmey at it again?

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/326188748

[Snortles Chortles]

corpse not up

[Baler]

Maybe they will disable book turn in because people were corpsing books.

[Mendo]

People helping guildmates is a bad thing? People will stop helping Rogue friends get epics when people stop helping kill Ragefire for Cleric epics.

[chowdah555]

Supposedly the raiding guilds already have surpluses that they're stockpiling for alts and future rogues.

[Baler]

Supposedly the raiding guilds already have surpluses that they're stockpiling for alts and future rogues.

remember during classic EQ when guilds stockpiled epic quest items before knowing about epic quests? :confused:

[Jibartik]

ban charming

[u_lock]

Ragefire: /random, limited to one per cleric.
Rogue Book: race, same 5 bots in the same guild have won 30+

One book per rogue. Problem solved.

[Swish]

Should be a list camp :rolleyes:

[chowdah555]

Ragefire: /random, limited to one per cleric.
Rogue Book: race, same 5 bots in the same guild have won 30+

One book per rogue. Problem solved.

Problem is the "professional" racers are just logging into other people's characters and racing for them.

[Un4Scene]

People helping guildmates is a bad thing? People will stop helping Rogue friends get epics when people stop helping kill Ragefire for Cleric epics.

Bullshit. It's a rogue-only race. There is no justifiable reason for one rogue to be collecting the book for another rogue. People are either collecting them to sell MQ's (which I've already seen from ST members), or they're "helping" guildmates that are not of sufficient level to get in to Hate... and, thus, too low-level to wield the epic.

TL;DR: people are being greedy douchebags.

[Abukii]

People are either collecting them to sell MQ's (which I've already seen from ST members)"
Got proof there big boy?

[chowdah555]

Bullshit. It's a rogue-only race. There is no justifiable reason for one rogue to be collecting the book for another rogue. People are either collecting them to sell MQ's (which I've already seen from ST members), or they're "helping" guildmates that are not of sufficient level to get in to Hate... and, thus, too low-level to wield the epic.

TL;DR: people are being greedy douchebags.

Maybe not to MQ for straight up profit, but I'm sure there's guild-based incentives in place to encourage the racers to do it for others.

[UrkTheSlayer]

If you don’t solo your book at 52 you’re not a real rogue.

[UrkTheSlayer]

If you don’t solo your book at 52 you’re not a real rogue.

I mean 46* oh whatever the lowest lvl is.

[Abukii]

Maybe not to MQ for straight up profit, but I'm sure there's guild-based incentives in place to encourage the racers to do it for others.

How about killing things faster? Wowie

[CancerMage]

noone in ST is selling book MQ's. full stop.

[Abukii]

Move to RnF this is full of more lies than Lori Grimes.

[Un4Scene]

Got proof there big boy?

I'm not in the habit of running OBS in EC, but I do have logs of it, yes.

[Un4Scene]

[Sat Apr 17 05:30:29 2021] Ramal auctions, 'selling Book of Souls MQ, taking serious offers only. looking for VP keys'
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] Players in EverQuest:
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] ---------------------------

[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] [55 Conjurer] Ramal (Erudite) <Seal Team> ZONE: ecommons
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] There is 1 player in EverQuest.

[Abukii]

[Sat Apr 17 05:30:29 2021] Ramal auctions, 'selling Book of Souls MQ, taking serious offers only. looking for VP keys'
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] Players in EverQuest:
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] ---------------------------

[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] [55 Conjurer] Ramal (Erudite) <Seal Team> ZONE: ecommons
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] There is 1 player in EverQuest.

Yeah because a magician clearly has a hate book after all we witnessed from bard/enchanter races now rogue only.

[Un4Scene]

Check the date. That was before the enchanter GFlux trick, and before it was a rogue-only race. I strongly suggest you try checking your facts before you accuse other people of lieing, or falsifying information.

[CancerMage]

seems legit, ill have a talk to ramal.

[Tnair]

For the real rogue experience you have to at least attempt to sneak in alone

[Abukii]

Check the date. That was before the enchanter GFlux trick, and before it was a rogue-only race. I strongly suggest you try checking your facts before you accuse other people of lieing, or falsifying information.

I'm surprised you have enough brain cells to breathe tbh, you are one smooth brained mofo.

[Un4Scene]

I'm surprised you have enough brain cells to breathe tbh, you are one smooth brained mofo.

I think there's a valid argument to be made that someone who has nothing to offer to a discussion except ignorant insults and baseless accusations might be reacting from a position in the lower echelons of the academic scale. That's just one person's perspective though...

See, I actually get it. I don't blame all of ST for all the BS that the guild does, because I understand that many members of ST think the heinous behavior and toxic attitude that they perpetuate is actually justified. People like you, Abukii, and Smash, and Vill, have been spreading lies and contempt for the other raiding guilds for so long that some people actually believe it. Some people actually believe that ST is always the victim, and that ST never violates rules, or the PNP.

The rest of us that are involved in raiding on Green, though... we see right through all the BS. At this point, ST has basically accused every other end-game guild on the server of something, and, the majority of the time, it's because ST thinks they're seeing tactics that they themselves have used, or at least considered. I can't speak to every individual situation, but sometimes an accident is just an accident. Sometimes unexpected shit happens, and things don't go as planned. The fact that those things don't always work in favor of ST is NOT an indication that someone is trying to cheat.

For anyone that has even the most meager ability to recognize a pattern of behavior, it is glaringly obvious. ST will bitch and whine about every little detail that doesn't directly give them an advantage; and yet they will scream for weeks if anyone even suggests that anything be changed that might reduce the advantages that ST has already established for themselves. It's happening right now - this very minute. I know you've seen it, Abukii, because you just can't help yourself from poking the bear on the Green UN server.

Yes, of course ST wants to perpetuate the current system used for the rogue book race, because one specific rogue from ST (Appletop) has grabbed that book at least a dozen times. And while ST is stocking up on books, guilds like Dynasty, Gathered Might, Venerate, Black Lotus, Fires of Heaven, etc... are lucky if they've gotten one or two.

This is not about skill, as ST leadership loves to claim. Appletop doesn't use any particular skill other than knowing the route. He's not strafe-running, or jumping, or anything else to minimize his travel time. So how has Appletop accomplished this? See... we have it on video. It's very plain and simple. Appletop arrives in the zone and starts moving several seconds before anyone else does. That's it. There's nothing else to it. No particular skill is needed to win a race when you have a significant head start.

Now, I know for a fact that Ramal had only recently joined ST when he was auctioning that book in EC. I'm not even mad about that... I think there's a strong possibility that he acquired the book prior to his ST membership, so I don't blame ST for that. It's kind of a shitty move on Ramal's part, in my opinion, but that's not necessarily the fault of ST.

What I DO blame ST for is corrupting the general demeanor and attitude of the entire server with all their lies, exploits, finger-pointing, and woe-is-me bullshit. The rest of the guilds are trying to find a way to work together in an equitable manner, while ST is doing everything in their power to tip the scales squarely in their favor; and at the same time, ST claims that everyone else is doing exactly what they're doing. That is simply not true. Yet.

See, everyone has a breaking point. The more ST keeps pushing this line of crap, the more fed up everyone else is getting. If it continues, eventually, enough people are gonna take a stand against ST to warrant the GM's taking a(nother) drastic action against them.

So here's my suggestions:
1) Stop being a douche.
2) Stop being a greedy douche.
3) Stop blaming everyone else for the problems that ST instigated.
4) Read the fucking PNP and at least make an attempt to follow it, like the rest of us do.

[Abukii]

I think there's a valid argument to be made that someone who has nothing to offer to a discussion except ignorant insults and baseless accusations might be reacting from a position in the lower echelons of the academic scale. That's just one person's perspective though...

See, I actually get it. I don't blame all of ST for all the BS that the guild does, because I understand that many members of ST think the heinous behavior and toxic attitude that they perpetuate is actually justified. People like you, Abukii, and Smash, and Vill, have been spreading lies and contempt for the other raiding guilds for so long that some people actually believe it. Some people actually believe that ST is always the victim, and that ST never violates rules, or the PNP.

The rest of us that are involved in raiding on Green, though... we see right through all the BS. At this point, ST has basically accused every other end-game guild on the server of something, and, the majority of the time, it's because ST thinks they're seeing tactics that they themselves have used, or at least considered. I can't speak to every individual situation, but sometimes an accident is just an accident. Sometimes unexpected shit happens, and things don't go as planned. The fact that those things don't always work in favor of ST is NOT an indication that someone is trying to cheat.

For anyone that has even the most meager ability to recognize a pattern of behavior, it is glaringly obvious. ST will bitch and whine about every little detail that doesn't directly give them an advantage; and yet they will scream for weeks if anyone even suggests that anything be changed that might reduce the advantages that ST has already established for themselves. It's happening right now - this very minute. I know you've seen it, Abukii, because you just can't help yourself from poking the bear on the Green UN server.

Yes, of course ST wants to perpetuate the current system used for the rogue book race, because one specific rogue from ST (Appletop) has grabbed that book at least a dozen times. And while ST is stocking up on books, guilds like Dynasty, Gathered Might, Venerate, Black Lotus, Fires of Heaven, etc... are lucky if they've gotten one or two.

This is not about skill, as ST leadership loves to claim. Appletop doesn't use any particular skill other than knowing the route. He's not strafe-running, or jumping, or anything else to minimize his travel time. So how has Appletop accomplished this? See... we have it on video. It's very plain and simple. Appletop arrives in the zone and starts moving several seconds before anyone else does. That's it. There's nothing else to it. No particular skill is needed to win a race when you have a significant head start.

Now, I know for a fact that Ramal had only recently joined ST when he was auctioning that book in EC. I'm not even mad about that... I think there's a strong possibility that he acquired the book prior to his ST membership, so I don't blame ST for that. It's kind of a shitty move on Ramal's part, in my opinion, but that's not necessarily the fault of ST.

What I DO blame ST for is corrupting the general demeanor and attitude of the entire server with all their lies, exploits, finger-pointing, and woe-is-me bullshit. The rest of the guilds are trying to find a way to work together in an equitable manner, while ST is doing everything in their power to tip the scales squarely in their favor; and at the same time, ST claims that everyone else is doing exactly what they're doing. That is simply not true. Yet.

See, everyone has a breaking point. The more ST keeps pushing this line of crap, the more fed up everyone else is getting. If it continues, eventually, enough people are gonna take a stand against ST to warrant the GM's taking a(nother) drastic action against them.

So here's my suggestions:
1) Stop being a douche.
2) Stop being a greedy douche.
3) Stop blaming everyone else for the problems that ST instigated.
4) Read the fucking PNP and at least make an attempt to follow it, like the rest of us do.

TLDR, have you tried getting good like Galach suggested?

[cd288]

[Sat Apr 17 05:30:29 2021] Ramal auctions, 'selling Book of Souls MQ, taking serious offers only. looking for VP keys'
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] Players in EverQuest:
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] ---------------------------

[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] [55 Conjurer] Ramal (Erudite) <Seal Team> ZONE: ecommons
[Sat Apr 17 05:30:48 2021] There is 1 player in EverQuest.

I’m guess you’re new here if you take ramal seriously (I don’t mean that as an insult to you, more of an FYI)

[cannobeers3]

So the disbanded racist ST alt RP guild is now just in ST.

Glad I could finally catch up.

[Abukii]

So the disbanded racist ST alt RP guild is now just in ST.

Glad I could finally catch up.

Wow nothing gets past you, want a cookie?

[Disease]

Yeah because a magician clearly has a hate book after all we witnessed from bard/enchanter races now rogue only.

Everyone plays one character?

[Ankara99]

Check the date. That was before the enchanter GFlux trick, and before it was a rogue-only race. I strongly suggest you try checking your facts before you accuse other people of lieing, or falsifying information.

I would certainly believe one of the servers bigger shit posters on an inflammatory issue definitely. As a further note the only thing Ramal does in Hate is fall asleep AFK. <3 Ramal.

[Albanwr]

TL;DR: people are being greedy douchebags.

Welcome to Green.

[Darkwoo]

This server is such a mess...

[Local]

I think there's a valid argument to be made that someone who has nothing to offer to a discussion except ignorant insults and baseless accusations might be reacting from a position in the lower echelons of the academic scale. That's just one person's perspective though...

See, I actually get it. I don't blame all of ST for all the BS that the guild does, because I understand that many members of ST think the heinous behavior and toxic attitude that they perpetuate is actually justified. People like you, Abukii, and Smash, and Vill, have been spreading lies and contempt for the other raiding guilds for so long that some people actually believe it. Some people actually believe that ST is always the victim, and that ST never violates rules, or the PNP.

The rest of us that are involved in raiding on Green, though... we see right through all the BS. At this point, ST has basically accused every other end-game guild on the server of something, and, the majority of the time, it's because ST thinks they're seeing tactics that they themselves have used, or at least considered. I can't speak to every individual situation, but sometimes an accident is just an accident. Sometimes unexpected shit happens, and things don't go as planned. The fact that those things don't always work in favor of ST is NOT an indication that someone is trying to cheat.

For anyone that has even the most meager ability to recognize a pattern of behavior, it is glaringly obvious. ST will bitch and whine about every little detail that doesn't directly give them an advantage; and yet they will scream for weeks if anyone even suggests that anything be changed that might reduce the advantages that ST has already established for themselves. It's happening right now - this very minute. I know you've seen it, Abukii, because you just can't help yourself from poking the bear on the Green UN server.

Yes, of course ST wants to perpetuate the current system used for the rogue book race, because one specific rogue from ST (Appletop) has grabbed that book at least a dozen times. And while ST is stocking up on books, guilds like Dynasty, Gathered Might, Venerate, Black Lotus, Fires of Heaven, etc... are lucky if they've gotten one or two.

This is not about skill, as ST leadership loves to claim. Appletop doesn't use any particular skill other than knowing the route. He's not strafe-running, or jumping, or anything else to minimize his travel time. So how has Appletop accomplished this? See... we have it on video. It's very plain and simple. Appletop arrives in the zone and starts moving several seconds before anyone else does. That's it. There's nothing else to it. No particular skill is needed to win a race when you have a significant head start.

Now, I know for a fact that Ramal had only recently joined ST when he was auctioning that book in EC. I'm not even mad about that... I think there's a strong possibility that he acquired the book prior to his ST membership, so I don't blame ST for that. It's kind of a shitty move on Ramal's part, in my opinion, but that's not necessarily the fault of ST.

What I DO blame ST for is corrupting the general demeanor and attitude of the entire server with all their lies, exploits, finger-pointing, and woe-is-me bullshit. The rest of the guilds are trying to find a way to work together in an equitable manner, while ST is doing everything in their power to tip the scales squarely in their favor; and at the same time, ST claims that everyone else is doing exactly what they're doing. That is simply not true. Yet.

See, everyone has a breaking point. The more ST keeps pushing this line of crap, the more fed up everyone else is getting. If it continues, eventually, enough people are gonna take a stand against ST to warrant the GM's taking a(nother) drastic action against them.

So here's my suggestions:
1) Stop being a douche.
2) Stop being a greedy douche.
3) Stop blaming everyone else for the problems that ST instigated.
4) Read the fucking PNP and at least make an attempt to follow it, like the rest of us do.

Speaking as someone who has won this race many times and has lost to Appletop more times - your characterization of what Appletop does to win races is woefully inaccurate. He's a good dude, he's a good racer, and you're not even keyed in to one of the most critical aspects of this race that he has mastered that others like yourself don't seem to even be aware of. That makes your perspective here difficult to entertain seriously. Put in the time and the reps required to better understand this race, and you, too, may have a shot at beating Appletop and other "professional racers".

Also Ramal gonna Ramal. ST wouldn't let him sell a book he won from their resources, just not realistic. Ate the onion on that one I'm afraid.

[Delekhan]

I think there's a valid argument to be made that someone who has nothing to offer to a discussion except ignorant insults and baseless accusations might be reacting from a position in the lower echelons of the academic scale. That's just one person's perspective though...

See, I actually get it. I don't blame all of ST for all the BS that the guild does, because I understand that many members of ST think the heinous behavior and toxic attitude that they perpetuate is actually justified. People like you, Abukii, and Smash, and Vill, have been spreading lies and contempt for the other raiding guilds for so long that some people actually believe it. Some people actually believe that ST is always the victim, and that ST never violates rules, or the PNP.

The rest of us that are involved in raiding on Green, though... we see right through all the BS. At this point, ST has basically accused every other end-game guild on the server of something, and, the majority of the time, it's because ST thinks they're seeing tactics that they themselves have used, or at least considered. I can't speak to every individual situation, but sometimes an accident is just an accident. Sometimes unexpected shit happens, and things don't go as planned. The fact that those things don't always work in favor of ST is NOT an indication that someone is trying to cheat.

For anyone that has even the most meager ability to recognize a pattern of behavior, it is glaringly obvious. ST will bitch and whine about every little detail that doesn't directly give them an advantage; and yet they will scream for weeks if anyone even suggests that anything be changed that might reduce the advantages that ST has already established for themselves. It's happening right now - this very minute. I know you've seen it, Abukii, because you just can't help yourself from poking the bear on the Green UN server.

Yes, of course ST wants to perpetuate the current system used for the rogue book race, because one specific rogue from ST (Appletop) has grabbed that book at least a dozen times. And while ST is stocking up on books, guilds like Dynasty, Gathered Might, Venerate, Black Lotus, Fires of Heaven, etc... are lucky if they've gotten one or two.

This is not about skill, as ST leadership loves to claim. Appletop doesn't use any particular skill other than knowing the route. He's not strafe-running, or jumping, or anything else to minimize his travel time. So how has Appletop accomplished this? See... we have it on video. It's very plain and simple. Appletop arrives in the zone and starts moving several seconds before anyone else does. That's it. There's nothing else to it. No particular skill is needed to win a race when you have a significant head start.

Now, I know for a fact that Ramal had only recently joined ST when he was auctioning that book in EC. I'm not even mad about that... I think there's a strong possibility that he acquired the book prior to his ST membership, so I don't blame ST for that. It's kind of a shitty move on Ramal's part, in my opinion, but that's not necessarily the fault of ST.

What I DO blame ST for is corrupting the general demeanor and attitude of the entire server with all their lies, exploits, finger-pointing, and woe-is-me bullshit. The rest of the guilds are trying to find a way to work together in an equitable manner, while ST is doing everything in their power to tip the scales squarely in their favor; and at the same time, ST claims that everyone else is doing exactly what they're doing. That is simply not true. Yet.

See, everyone has a breaking point. The more ST keeps pushing this line of crap, the more fed up everyone else is getting. If it continues, eventually, enough people are gonna take a stand against ST to warrant the GM's taking a(nother) drastic action against them.

So here's my suggestions:
1) Stop being a douche.
2) Stop being a greedy douche.
3) Stop blaming everyone else for the problems that ST instigated.
4) Read the fucking PNP and at least make an attempt to follow it, like the rest of us do.

It disappoints me to see this type of post filled with anger and jealousy over people they don't even know. I think you should take some time to reflect on your negative emotions and take some time away. I assure you that the casual guilds will get more than their fair share of opportunity at obtaining loot and easier access to items such as the book in due time. The line for the book is finite.

[ClephNote]

Once upon a time where was a King who had two rivals in his court. One was exceptionally greedy and the other was exceptionally envious.

In order to teach them a lesson, the King decided to invite them to court and make them an offer: he would grant one of them whatever they asked for, on the condition that the other got double. The King believed he was clever, and they would learn to be generous and kind in the face of his generosity.

After receiving the offer, the greedy and envious men left to determine strategy. The greedy man simply refused to leave anything on the table and demanded that the envious man asked first, so he could have the full amount possible.

The envious man was furious. How could this greedy man get more than him? It wasn’t fair! He didn’t deserve more than him!

Suddenly, the envious man had a flash of insight. He told the greedy man that he agreed to ask first and they requested an audience with the King.

The greedy man was incredibly pleased with himself, a giant grin on his face.

The King was happy to see these two had figured it out and was looking forward to peace in his court.

The King said, “What is your wish? And remember, your friend will receive double.”

The envious man grinned and replied, “Pluck out one of my eyes.”

[Nirgon]

sorry u arent offered multiple book mqs

[Un4Scene]

Speaking as someone who has won this race many times and has lost to Appletop more times - your characterization of what Appletop does to win races is woefully inaccurate. He's a good dude, he's a good racer, and you're not even keyed in to one of the most critical aspects of this race that he has mastered that others like yourself don't seem to even be aware of. That makes your perspective here difficult to entertain seriously. Put in the time and the reps required to better understand this race, and you, too, may have a shot at beating Appletop and other "professional racers".

Also Ramal gonna Ramal. ST wouldn't let him sell a book he won from their resources, just not realistic. Ate the onion on that one I'm afraid.

I don't play a rogue. I've never taken part in the race. I *do* believe in supporting every member of the guild that I'm in, however, and I do believe every word that I said before.

So, please, enlighten us all! What is this mysterious "critical aspect" of the race that everyone is missing? What is it that you think is more consequential in a race than having a 3-4 second headstart?

If there actually is something that significant that is being kept a secret, then I say again "Don't be a greedy douche." Perhaps I should remind you that when Black Lotus found a way to consistently win the races (the enchanter GFlux trick) they shared it with the server before the next race. That's what it means to be equitable and fair.

Personally, I think it's more likely than you're just talking out of your ass, and making shit up to make yourself feel important. It's up to you to demonstrate the truth.

[Local]

I don't play a rogue. I've never taken part in the race. I *do* believe in supporting every member of the guild that I'm in, however, and I do believe every word that I said before.

So, please, enlighten us all! What is this mysterious "critical aspect" of the race that everyone is missing? What is it that you think is more consequential in a race than having a 3-4 second headstart?

If there actually is something that significant that is being kept a secret, then I say again "Don't be a greedy douche." Perhaps I should remind you that when Black Lotus found a way to consistently win the races (the enchanter GFlux trick) they shared it with the server before the next race. That's what it means to be equitable and fair.

Personally, I think it's more likely than you're just talking out of your ass, and making shit up to make yourself feel important. It's up to you to demonstrate the truth.

Nah. Gotta write the pages of your own playbook.

[drackgon]

There is no trick other then Having good Hardware, Fast connection, Be lucky to live closer to the server. There is no special trick other then Zig zagging back and forth. Zoning in 3 seconds faster then anyone else is key here.

[Local]

There is no trick other then Having good Hardware, Fast connection, Be lucky to live closer to the server. There is no special trick other then Zig zagging back and forth. Zoning in 3 seconds faster then anyone else is key here.

SSD is required, yes. Server proximity is nice but only required to an extent (I'm in the Midwest and still win races; we've had an Aussie win a race). You're still missing a crucial aspect of the race that can save you another good 1 second+ (which seems marginal but is often the margin of victory in a 35-second race). Unfortunately, need to exhaust every avenue for min/maxing available on such a short race. Exhaust harder.

[Bbbeee]

Well the race this morning only had 3 rogues running, so seems to be starting to die down. With a low amount of runners, being seen and killed certainly begins to come into play.

[chowdah555]

Well the race this morning only had 3 rogues running, so seems to be starting to die down. With a low amount of runners, being seen and killed certainly begins to come into play.

At the same time, wasn't everyone socking 7-day spawns? Or was that over by the time of the race?

[Xer0]

TLDR, have you tried getting good like Galach suggested?

who let this clown in here

[BarackObooma]

Having graphics and spell effects turned way down/off?

[Emberthorn]

Gathered Might member seems to be selling the book for MQ https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384689

Don't think corpsing books is much of a problem any more?

[Abukii]

It's almost like the book issue went away like the golem one did in weeks, golems are left up for HOURS now btw. So you can't bitch about the book hooray. Onto the next outrage.