Luclin / Planes of Power would be amazing on p99 - change my mind

[Viscere]

I want to raid Vex Thal, The deep, Ssra, Plane of Disease, Kill Xegony, kill Rathe council, and have an amazing time in Plane of Time !

[Baler]

Staff have spent a vast amount of time removing everything including luclin+ content from the P99 code.

check out TAKP (https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php)

[Grumph]

Staff have spent a vast amount of time removing everything including luclin+ content from the P99 code.

check out TAKP (https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php)

So it would be quite simple really to add back in!

[Toryas]

I want to raid Vex Thal, The deep, Ssra, Plane of Disease, Kill Xegony, kill Rathe council, and have an amazing time in Plane of Time !

Go play TAKP.

[magnetaress]

Go play TAKP.

[cd288]

Fail

[magnetaress]

Takp is a really good box, and 2boxing is quite ez.

[loramin]

Go play TAKP.

TAKP is not classic EverQuest. Even if it had all of the millions of changes from the stock EQ Emu that P99 has (and it doesn't) ... it allows triple-boxing. Triple-boxing is a different game from classic (or at least the classic 99.9% of us experienced).

I truly hope someday someone will come along with R&N's passion for EQ, but with a love for some of the latter expansions (just stop before LDoN!) They could make a server that doesn't have all the classic code, but does have only those expansions and single-boxing, and that would be amazing.

And honestly, if someone pulled the above off and actually got a functional server going with a decent population ... I kind of suspect Nilbog might be willing to share those classic code fixes. Maybe.

[Baler]

No one here made the argument that content past velious is classic.

Yes takp does allow 3 box limit, It must be wonderful for the staff! Not having to dig through logs and get reports about people breaking a 1 box rule. Being able to port yourself, transfer items without dropping them on the ground or trusting strangers.

Trust me 3 box limit is unique and alleviates problems.
It's not like ProjectEQ where players are multiboxing 56 characters with cheating software.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/nGs9CZw.gif

[strongNpretty]

No one here made the argument that content past velious is classic.

Yes takp does allow 3 box limit, It must be wonderful for the staff! Not having to dig through logs and get reports about people breaking a 1 box rule. Being able to port yourself, transfer items without dropping them on the ground or trusting strangers.

Trust me 3 box limit is unique and alleviates problems.
It's not like ProjectEQ where players are multiboxing 56 characters with cheating software.

Common Baler. Boxing is sad.. You ever sit there by yourself as a little kid playing both player 1 and player 2 on the NES? That's what your doing.. Your sitting there by yourself playing both mario and luigi. Only difference is, you aren't doing it for the extra lives.....

[Baler]

Play project 1999 if you don't like boxxing.

[Yinein]

Go play takp, no one will care if you leave . Hope that helps.

[Bardp1999]

OP is a slime covered bitch

[Gustoo]

Can we use this thread for a systematic erasure of thought criminals like the OP?

Seems like the 2021 thing to do.

[magnetaress]

Takp is fairly classic like. It just takes forever to level as the exp is slow. The grind is really real there.

[RecondoJoe]

wtf is a takp

[magnetaress]

wtf is a takp

EQs ultimate form. Essentially.

[Trexller]

Can we use this thread for a systematic erasure of thought criminals like the OP?

Seems like the 2021 thing to do.

I kind of suspect Nilbog might be willing to share those classic code fixes. Maybe.

Highly doubtful, as nilbog stole what would become the p99 code from Yeahlight.

[Croco]

I want to raid Vex Thal, The deep, Ssra, Plane of Disease, Kill Xegony, kill Rathe council, and have an amazing time in Plane of Time !

This might be the only thing you've ever posted that I agree with. Unfortunately the extremely vocal, extreme minority, of people (many of which undoubtedly don't even play anymore on p99) will never allow it to happen.

[Naethyn]

yes

[Gustoo]

Staff has stated that at some point P99 might consider custom post velious content.

Maybe someday.

NOT going into Luclin is the whole point of project 1999, because that is the point when the game stopped being real everquest and started being a wannabe new era lamefest.

So I don't think full on luclin + is going to happen.

[Videri]

check out TAKP (https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php)

For real, TAKP is great. I played there for a year. Great and conscientious community. Several good guilds to join. All raid mobs are rotated.

I played a beastlord+necromancer+cleric three-box, or simply played my beastlord if I didn't feel like boxing. I got my 8th shawl on the bst and the clr and helped several other people get theirs.

I ached for classic and to play a wizard from scratch, so I left TAKP and started on Blue in 2019.

TAKP has a pretty good population. I think the only thing it needs is a few more players. Maybe you, reader, could be one.

[cd288]

For real, TAKP is great. I played there for a year. Great and conscientious community. Several good guilds to join. All raid mobs are rotated.

I played a beastlord+necromancer+cleric three-box, or simply played my beastlord if I didn't feel like boxing. I got my 8th shawl on the bst and the clr and helped several other people get theirs.

I ached for classic and to play a wizard from scratch, so I left TAKP and started on Blue in 2019.

TAKP has a pretty good population. I think the only thing it needs is a few more players. Maybe you, reader, could be one.

Not too surprised that the guy who defends his guildies when they box played on a boxing server LOL

[Nirgon]

Just harass the staff or buy it out of them

It works

[Videri]

Not too surprised that the guy who defends his guildies when they box played on a boxing server LOL

They weren't boxing. We don't box. Report all boxing on p99.

[Videri]

If you think someone is boxing, report them to GMs. If you're just trolling me, stop.

[Kohedron]

"change my mind"

why do I care what your insignifcant opinion is?

Think whatever you want, I don't give a shit.

[cd288]

If you think someone is boxing, report them to GMs. If you're just trolling me, stop.

Weren’t you the guy who told the person who reported them and provided video evidence that essentially “I asked them and they said they weren’t boxing so you’re wrong and they’re right”

[Snortles Chortles]

guys im going to double post as additional proof i do not box pls stop trole
(LOL)

[Nexii]

Veksar would be cool.

[Videri]

Weren’t you the guy who told the person who reported them and provided video evidence that essentially “I asked them and they said they weren’t boxing so you’re wrong and they’re right”

He posted a 30-second video of a mage pet killing a guard. It was not proof of anything. It was one person's word against another and it would be unfair to kick someone out of a guild without proof. I did the right thing. I'd kick them both out if real proof was provided.

pls stop trole

[cd288]

He posted a 30-second video of a mage pet killing a guard. It was not proof of anything. It was one person's word against another and it would be unfair to kick someone out of a guild without proof. I did the right thing. I'd kick them both out if real proof was provided.

pls stop trole

I could be misremembering but I believe he posted multiple videos of a hard sitting far away on the bridge while the mage afked and parked his pet in the spawn area of the guards so that the guards would attack upon spawn and get burned down by the fire pet DS. At best it was someone afk camping with their mage pet against server rules, at worst it was boxing. So either way your guildies were violating server rules /shrug

[Videri]

I could be misremembering but I believe he posted multiple videos of a hard sitting far away on the bridge while the mage afked and parked his pet in the spawn area of the guards so that the guards would attack upon spawn and get burned down by the fire pet DS. At best it was someone afk camping with their mage pet against server rules, at worst it was boxing. So either way your guildies were violating server rules /shrug

This is the thread in question. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366344

nycfla (Jobobn in-game) posted the following 30-second video of a mage pet killing a guard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=s43wHVqfwsw This is not sufficient evidence.

In the thread, both the mage and the bard responded to the accusation.

If there are videos showing them breaking any P99 rule at all, show them. Have you seen them? They do not appear in nycfla's posting history. Real proof was not provided so no action was taken.

[Snortles Chortles]

guys i sware!

[Videri]

<Castle> members know boxing is not allowed. And if I knew any one of them were boxing, I wouldn't tell them...I'd just report them to the GMs.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/0wAK5Du.gif

[Prismaticshop]

Luclin was not super awesome, but Luclin was the best raiding expansion.

Being locked in PoP would offer so much content

I remember bastion of thunder, my all time favourite eq zone !!

[DMN]

I want to raid Vex Thal, The deep, Ssra, Plane of Disease, Kill Xegony, kill Rathe council, and have an amazing time in Plane of Time !

GOnENVylxPI

[Viscere]

2005 called and they want their meme back

[DMN]

O0ikW7pVa_I

[Arvan]

Did someone say Cats on the Moon?

[Daldaen]

Luclin/PoP greatly fix a bunch of problems that P99 has.

It helps spread out the population across various tiers of raid content. You stop having the top guilds wanting to continue killing Kunark dragons because they have Elementals/Time to focus on. Middling guilds can grind through Vex Thal and PoP progression. New guilds can do NToV and lower Luclin targets.

AAs balance out classes quite well. With some classes like Wizard/Druid/Ranger getting much needed boosts. Also AAs provide incentives to continue grouping on your character after they reach max level, which currently does not exist in Velious until you get 200 rezzes and need to refill your EXP bar.

Raid window helps organize your guild on raids and awards kill credit/loot to the guild that does the most DPS. This allows for a more hands off raid rules approach if they wish to take it and just allowing DPS to reign supreme. However that is not necessary if they want to continue monitoring bag limits and drafts. Though as mentioned above, guild strength would naturally stratify guilds out into different tiers of content anyways meaning these drafts would stop being done between 5+ guilds instead only 2-3 guilds draft for elementals/time 2-3 draft for vex thal etc.

Beastlords provide a different class experience from one people have gotten used to on the last 10 years of P99. Luclin opening would drive a rush of new beastlord creations and inevitably more low level groups for those characters.

PoP Progression would allow for more natural open raids to occur. All PoP targets are 3 days +/- 24hr so after the initial flagging rush from top guilds running open Grummus or Manaetic Behemoth raids to flag an open raid for CoDecay or PoTactics would become quite common place on P99 I think. A server with regular open raids is a much friendlier and pleasant server to be a part of. Even people who do not have the time commitment for a guild can access raids to progress their character if their schedule lines up to the open raid.

It really would be a good change for P99 Blue. I think once Green reaches late era Velious, you could just offer Blue /transfers to Green and Green /transfers to Blue, where Green stays Velious forever. Then Blue opens up Luclin and eventually PoP. It would be a really good time also to convert over to the TAKP Client which is much more accurate to the era rather than this Titanium out of era monstrosity that P99 has been stuck with since its inception.

[magnetaress]

Servers should just go to GoD and stop.

Would love to see a server launch in GoD and watch p99 guilds race for 1sts.

[Gustoo]

Luclin/PoP greatly fix a bunch of problems that P99 has.



As if we need the population spread out.

It would provide a handful of new permanent pharming spots while obsoleting a bunch of older pharming spots.

Paludal caverns are like maximum hyper power level for levels 1-10000 if you have classic EXP modifiers in place, that zone was insane.

So we would trade all content on vanilla, kunark, and velious, for the bazaar and like 2 or 3 other pharm spots.

Sounds dumb.

Geez do you not remember when these expansions hit live?

Please someone put me out of my misery.

Project EQ the grand creation will meet your needs though. Play there. Live your dream.

[Gustoo]

p.s. now I know how I sound like when I'm talking about the benefits of PVP to someone that knows deep down in their heart that my beliefs are complete hogwash bunk.

[Baler]

Paludal caverns is legit, can confirm.

[galach]

I would just like some AA's that you can only train in when you are 60. I feel like that could bring balance to several gimp classes like Paladin/SK.

[Baler]

AA's on blue would go a long way to giving people something to do. Of course they would need to be balanced around Velious era content. The power creep could be too much for say a monk in velious era with AAs.

I can see people logging back into blue for this.

[KansasComrade]

I would just like some AA's that you can only train in when you are 60. I feel like that could bring balance to several gimp classes like Paladin/SK.

Designers, make it work!

[Naethyn]

Enraging Blow on Blade of Carnage and Shawl 8 first.

[Prismaticshop]

I would just like some AA's that you can only train in when you are 60. I feel like that could bring balance to several gimp classes like Paladin/SK.

Galach, man, you guys can't give us such a good server with Classic, Kunark and Velious and stop there?

We could do a crowdfunding to finance a Project 2002 but made by Nilbog, to be REALLY classic.

You would get support and money.

Why not do this :(

Only the p99 team can deliver a true, awesome p2002

[Daldaen]

5 or 6 years of Velious raid gear is more power creep than AAs would be.

The itemization of Dozekar/Tunare/AoW/Vulak/City Leader Quest loot trivializes a bunch of content once your gear consists of mostly that kind of stuff.

As Naethyn pointed out there are plenty of pre-Luclin changes they could make before doing the Luclin plunge.

Blade of Carnage proc / Shawl 8 additions are good starts. Stacking Flowing Thought is another good one.

Cazic-Thule revamp would be amazing content for P99ers as it is a very difficult zone at level 60. Nothing in there is vulnerable to pacify or charm and very few camps have single pulls so it wouldn't be dominated by Chanter/Shaman solo farmers like many P99 camps are currently. I think it would even be viable to keep classic Cazic Thule and add an alternate zoneline to revamped CT for people to use.

Adding focus effects to items would be another good change. Gearing casters/priests on P99 is very lackluster compared to melee/tanks. Add in those focuses gives a whole new value to a different set of loot that is currently rot loot right now.

Revamping Vulak to be the 2.5 hour Ring Event it was would provide a real end-game raid challenge for guilds to try to conquer instead of the easymode faceroll he currently is.

AoW revamp to have Idol inbetween Statue->AoW pop, allowing guilds to stack up Idols for multi-AoW nights or allowing lower tier guilds to kill Statue without blowing AoW spawns.

[Grumph]

This all sounds fun.

Just replace all the vah sir up there with existing Kerran models.
Don’t allow pc cats.

And we’re g2g.

Honestly, can go ahead and roll back on Iksars too.
Those things suck and are stupid.

[Nocht]

Nobody cancels the Sebilisian empire! Look what happened to Trakanon!

[Fammaden]

5 or 6 years of Velious raid gear is more power creep than AAs would be.

A single group of manaburn wizards can one-shot Sontalak.

[Smotr]

I say skip Luclin, go straight to PoP, add AA's but keep level cap at 60.

[RecondoJoe]

As someone who has played an SK and Paladin, I didn't feel as gimped playing either of those classes as I did playing a Warrior, Rogue or Ranger.

SK / Paladin were both solo'ing in zones that Warrior, Rogue, Ranger would get slaughtered in, and when I did group, I found like I was tanking/pulling on easy mode.

The idea that they are gimped must be from a very specific field of view?

[Tentarro]

Once Green catches up to Blue they should just bite the bullet and do it.

[Tethler]

This same thread has been rehashed so many times. Like 2-3 times a year. Devs have clearly stated that post-velious content is not in the cards for p99. Personally, I'd be happy going up to PoP, but our individual opinions are irrelevant.

Something like QoL changes (shared bank, keyrings) and individual zones (veksar, CT revamp, etc) would be possibly more welcome by the powers that be.

[Gustoo]

5 or 6 years of Velious raid gear is more power creep than AAs would be.

The itemization of Dozekar/Tunare/AoW/Vulak/City Leader Quest loot trivializes a bunch of content once your gear consists of mostly that kind of stuff.

As Naethyn pointed out there are plenty of pre-Luclin changes they could make before doing the Luclin plunge.

Blade of Carnage proc / Shawl 8 additions are good starts. Stacking Flowing Thought is another good one.

Cazic-Thule revamp would be amazing content for P99ers as it is a very difficult zone at level 60. Nothing in there is vulnerable to pacify or charm and very few camps have single pulls so it wouldn't be dominated by Chanter/Shaman solo farmers like many P99 camps are currently. I think it would even be viable to keep classic Cazic Thule and add an alternate zoneline to revamped CT for people to use.

Adding focus effects to items would be another good change. Gearing casters/priests on P99 is very lackluster compared to melee/tanks. Add in those focuses gives a whole new value to a different set of loot that is currently rot loot right now.

Revamping Vulak to be the 2.5 hour Ring Event it was would provide a real end-game raid challenge for guilds to try to conquer instead of the easymode faceroll he currently is.

AoW revamp to have Idol inbetween Statue->AoW pop, allowing guilds to stack up Idols for multi-AoW nights or allowing lower tier guilds to kill Statue without blowing AoW spawns.

This guy has some actual good ideas for post Velious late game final extra late game progess on P99 servers and things like this have been stated to in fact be in the cards (somewhere)

Remote, distant possibility but its a real possibility and a LOT more real than throwing garbage pile game destroying expansions like luclin and pop into the mix in-tact and whole.

Adding hardmode CT is a great idea with its own zone in.

[Croco]

This guy has some actual good ideas for post Velious late game final extra late game progess on P99 servers and things like this have been stated to in fact be in the cards (somewhere)

Remote, distant possibility but its a real possibility and a LOT more real than throwing garbage pile game destroying expansions like luclin and pop into the mix in-tact and whole.

Adding hardmode CT is a great idea with its own zone in.

Luclin was a great expansion and PoP was the pinnacle of EQ.

[Videri]

our individual opinions are irrelevant.

[Gustoo]

Luclin was a great expansion and PoP was the pinnacle of EQ.

Project EQ the grand creation my friend. Goes up to Omens now but you should be able to enjoy all the stuff between velious and there.

[Croco]

Project EQ the grand creation my friend. Goes up to Omens now but you should be able to enjoy all the stuff between velious and there.

GoD and Omens are garbage. Basically everything after PoP jumped the shark hard. Trust me if there was a p99 version pop server to play on that didn't allow boxing I wouldn't be here.

[Tethler]

GoD and Omens are garbage. Basically everything after PoP jumped the shark hard. Trust me if there was a p99 version pop server to play on that didn't allow boxing I wouldn't be here.

This is my dream as well. No boxing to velious is pretty rad though too. I'll take what I can get.

[Ravage]

I would donate to get a server managed by the Blue/Green staff that goes to PoP. If you never got to raid it in live, you missed out. Luclin wasnt the greatest but POP did not disappoint at all. It offered an amazing array of content.

[Tethler]

I would donate to get a server managed by the Blue/Green staff that goes to PoP. If you never got to raid it in live, you missed out. Luclin wasnt the greatest but POP did not disappoint at all. It offered an amazing array of content.

VT was such a snoozefest. I did enjoy Ssra though.

PoP was a blast. So many cool encounters.

[Grumph]

VT was such a snoozefest. I did enjoy Ssra though.

PoP was a blast. So many cool encounters.

Can we just do some PoP without Luclin?

[starkind]

Can we just do some PoP without Luclin?

If they launched pop directly they could leave luclin models disabled.

[Croco]

VT was such a snoozefest. I did enjoy Ssra though.

PoP was a blast. So many cool encounters.

For as bad as VT was, and it was really bad, Ssra was fantastic. Also the nice part about progression from luclin to pop was you didn't have to raid VT if you didn't want. You could go straight from Ssra/non-VT content in luclin to lower planes and work your way up to PoTime.

It really was the best time to play EQ.

[cd288]

Can we just do some PoP without Luclin?

And without pok

[Snortles Chortles]

Cuclin

[Gustoo]

The experiences of raider grinder minmaxxers are so different than the experiences of "normal" players. I say normal like that because the people on P99 may all tend to be the kind that want to beat the game, so I can see the appeal of those high end expansions, but geez I mean really what is bad about live now versus what you're asking for? Thats an honest question.

[Jimjam]

~Mission Creep~

Get those trilogy bug reports in you bunch of betas.

[Croco]

The experiences of raider grinder minmaxxers are so different than the experiences of "normal" players. I say normal like that because the people on P99 may all tend to be the kind that want to beat the game, so I can see the appeal of those high end expansions, but geez I mean really what is bad about live now versus what you're asking for? Thats an honest question.

The answer to that would be a short story a number of pages long. Just like people think that PoP resembles nothing like what they like about EQ classic-velious, current day live EQ might as well be a different game than how it was during PoP. Mercs is just one thing I could point to, player housing is another, transmogs, level boosting, 7000+ aa's... etc etc.

[RecondoJoe]

I never got to mine much AA back in the day, I had that one that made you run faster (which was nice for indoor dungeons)... all my AOE friends and people who could solo were getting like 200 in the time I was getting 6 lol. Being Rogue was pretty rough honestly.

But yeah, the AA I something I would like to see in future MMOS. I think it would be possible to have an MMO where you entirely level AA rather than levels. I guess in a way that's kind of how SWG is.

It's a neat idea.

[Daldaen]

A single group of manaburn wizards can one-shot Sontalak.

Sontalak has about 100k HP. Max Manaburn value in Luclin/PoP is 9492. It would take nearly 2 groups of manaburn wizards.

Also worth note, 2 weeks before PoP launch Manaburn became a DD+Debuff with 1min duration with this line:

2 Stacking: Block new spell if slot 2 is effect 'Manaburn' and < 1

https://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhistory.html?id=2751&source=Live

2002-10-16 11:15 Changed Durationtext from Instant to 1 min
2002-10-16 11:15 Added Slot 2: Stacking: Block new spell if slot 2 is effect 'Stacking1' and < 1

Essentially it prevented multiple manaburns from landing on mobs that had just been hit by it. So after Luclin finished and PoP was close to release, you could no longer stack Manaburns. With Luclin AA rates and the fact that you need to get 24 AAs to unlock Manaburn I would be shocked if any guild had 12 wizards with Manaburn by PoP launch considering Spell Casting Fury/Mastery are more valuable AAs to get for a raiding wizard.

Also to everyone who hates on PoK, people already refuse to run a huge amount on P99. See all those people in EC asking for a teleport to South Ro for example, all 3 zonelines away. People on P99 tend to just pay someone who may as well be an NPC as far as they are concerned for a teleport to their destination. Having played both a 60 druid and 60 wizard on P99 I can tell you the social interactions from people asking for ports are basically non-existent. They're about 2 tells with travel destinations, payment offers and thanks. No one is forming friendships or static groups with the random guy asking for the druid or wizard to port them to another group that doesn't want a druid or wizard to join it.

Having PoK stones in though allows groups to pick up members without worrying about a huge travel time/delay to replace a member and it allows you to skip exp-highway zones and travel to oddball zones that don't see much traffic. Also by this time, druid/wizards are balanced out much better with AAs/Spells in Luclin and PoP, so the "loss" of porting it pretty negligible. Not to mention the Kunark/Velious/Luclin ports all still hold value, as do the Karana, Ro, Commons and Stonebrunt ports. Less than half of the classic teleports have a PoK book in them, 0 of the expansion ports have a PoK book (except Nexus/PoK themselves which don't really count)

In summary, when Green reached Velious end-game, make Blue a Luclin->PoP bound server.

[Naethyn]

Anyone who says luclin isn't possible because of past comments doesn't really get how software development works. We are playing a game called Project 1999 and the game we are playing is closer to 2001. Pushing it to 2002 isn't a big leap here, it just takes the right person interested in doing it.

[cd288]

Anyone who says luclin isn't possible because of past comments doesn't really get how software development works. We are playing a game called Project 1999 and the game we are playing is closer to 2001. Pushing it to 2002 isn't a big leap here, it just takes the right person interested in doing it.

Would be interested in the legal ramifications of additional expansions if the live EQ owners saw that as more of an issue for their business model.

[Baler]

I bet it's in the p99 - daybreak contract to be limited to velious era.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/F58X6Vy.jpg?1

[Hibren]

The answer to that would be a short story a number of pages long. Just like people think that PoP resembles nothing like what they like about EQ classic-velious, current day live EQ might as well be a different game than how it was during PoP. Mercs is just one thing I could point to, player housing is another, transmogs, level boosting, 7000+ aa's... etc etc.

You know none of that is in era on TLP servers right?

[Croco]

You know none of that is in era on TLP servers right?

I played on Agnarr for 2 years. It's good but not quite the same. Freeport is different, e&w commons are a single zone and all of the old raid content has a buff that reduces your spell damage, melee damage, and dot damage by a set percentage. During PoP era on my monk I use to be able to go back and solo old raids like trakanon. On TLP that's not possible.

[Gustoo]

Love it we have Z boy P99 players looking for the good old days back in the 2010's before ruined everquest got ruined 2.0.

Like I said soon we are going to have project 2009 emulating original Project 1999 blue server timeline with ITS timeline that was slowly progressing towards velious.

Looking for old forum sources "Nah they were at vanilla for 3 years before kunark rolled out, and it rolled out a day early on red because blue was being fucktards. Here are the relevant sources"

Croco I'm just going to have to ask you to trust everyone that started P99 knowing that velious was the terminal location. After velious its dumb. I'm sorry that the game is too easy to beat, but thats how it is. Hopefully you give pvp a try on red 2.0 when it happens because you will see even more clearly how superior the original content is.

The broken stuff is fun. I always wanted to be a 1200AA's psychopath mass murdering mobs but thats not a good game, even though its fun after you put that 10 billionth hour into it and complete that journey.

But really the TLP server is like 99.5 percent what you're after and it will do a better job than an EMULATOR at being what you want. This project reverse engineered all the code to feel like actual everquest. Its a full frankenstein. They did a great job.

[Croco]

Love it we have Z boy P99 players looking for the good old days back in the 2010's before ruined everquest got ruined 2.0.

Like I said soon we are going to have project 2009 emulating original Project 1999 blue server timeline with ITS timeline that was slowly progressing towards velious.

Looking for old forum sources "Nah they were at vanilla for 3 years before kunark rolled out, and it rolled out a day early on red because blue was being fucktards. Here are the relevant sources"

Croco I'm just going to have to ask you to trust everyone that started P99 knowing that velious was the terminal location. After velious its dumb. I'm sorry that the game is too easy to beat, but thats how it is. Hopefully you give pvp a try on red 2.0 when it happens because you will see even more clearly how superior the original content is.

The broken stuff is fun. I always wanted to be a 1200AA's psychopath mass murdering mobs but thats not a good game, even though its fun after you put that 10 billionth hour into it and complete that journey.

But really the TLP server is like 99.5 percent what you're after and it will do a better job than an EMULATOR at being what you want. This project reverse engineered all the code to feel like actual everquest. Its a full frankenstein. They did a great job.

Yeah it's not dumb though. Only the extremely vocal minority in this very small corner of the internet thinks that. Luclin and PoP were extremely popular and successful in era. I started playing during kunark and quit around prophecy of ro. People bitched about killing aliens on the moon for about a month then we started experiencing the content, and doing the raids, and getting the loot and there were no issues.

Is velious better than luclin? Probably. That doesn't make luclin garbage though. There's a reason posts like this pop up all the time and it's because the majority of p99 players would LOVE post velious content. There's just a very small very loud very angry contingent of people on the forums who yell and shout and make it seem like no one wants it but it's just not true. It's just the same two dozen people being negative nancy's.

[Viscere]

GMs would probably make a P99 Yellow, that would go from Classic to PoP.

They probably wouldn't have Blue/Green go all the way to PoP, due to coding issues.

I think it would be something different. I sure hope they are thinking about it though.

Rogean/Nilbog tend to be definitive when they take a decision. If it slowly creeps in their minds that the people do consider Luclin/PoP as part of the classic experience, they might slowly think about doing it.

[A Knight]

I've actually been kinda in the mood for Luclin/Pop.

I think I am still afraid people will swoop in and say, "Ok this is good? Lets shut down p99? Make everyone Luclin pop. Luclin and pop forever". And then its the death of Everquest all over again.

[A Knight]

After velious its dumb. I'm sorry that the game is too easy to beat, but thats how it is.

Yea but... That means it falls in the category of Wow. Wow games in theory are not bad.

Maybe Wow could be spruced up a bit. Add resists, make each item not just 10str 10sta 10 agi 10 ac, increasing by multiples of the level.

But Wow games must exists, and Luclin and Pop may just be the Wow version of EQ. I'm not saying the Wow version of EQ like Pantheon. I think that's possible to be very good and I wish them best for them. I mean Luclin and Pop is the Wow version, in a comedic way but still appreciated. Like a B rated movie.

[Charball]

P99 Yellow or Purple going to PoP would be a dream come true. The problem is it would depopulate blue and green to the point that the sad pixel horders/ poop sockers would probably commit suicide as all their hard work for dragon loots would become meaningless. The game is supposed to be fun, luclin and pop were fun as fuck. I played since October of 1999. Not quite the beginning but pretty close and of course all of this is opinion based but luclin and pop were amazing, just as good if not better than velious, for all the reasons listed.

I get the detractors too though. I understand the hate for mounts but they're also a great plat sink. I get the hate for cats on the moon but high fantasy often has a quirky or strange side. I get the hate for the bazaar but it was WAY better than what we have now with tunnel quest. I get the hate for the nexus / plane of knowledge / pop books but it honestly made the world more explorable, more accessible, MORE connected. Plane of Knowledge was the most social zone EQ had ever seen. The lore is amazing too. And wasn't PoTime instanced? I dont quite remember because I didn't raid it back in the day but I'm pretty sure it was instanced. That's a huge benefit there, the very top end zone with the best loot being instanced is incredible. And it's not a giveaway either because it took insane amount of time, gear, and flagging to even get in there.

Release P99 Purple. I want to go to the moon, like my doge coin.

[DMN]

Too many words to simply say P99 brown.

[Charball]

Too many words to simply say P99 brown.

P99 brown please.

[Grumph]

Here’s a common sense answer:

Have 4 servers:
Vanilla classic server
Kunark server
Velious server
Selected lucklin/pop server.

Can xfer a character up - but not down.

[Grumph]

Delete Red.

Add guild wars - specifically as an answer to any raid dispute ever.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/F58X6Vy.jpg?1

[RevSaber]

Just play tlp, poor ass. Aradunes on luclin.

[radda]

TAKP is not classic EverQuest.

actually it is.

[SantagarBrax]

I'd donate for Veksar. One can read on alla pop era 50's/60's fighting there and having a blast. Just take necro slow undead out because that would be the main reason to say no.

It was originally planned for kunark.

[MaCtastic]

TAKP is not classic EverQuest. Even if it had all of the millions of changes from the stock EQ Emu that P99 has (and it doesn't) ... it allows triple-boxing. Triple-boxing is a different game from classic (or at least the classic 99.9% of us experienced).

I truly hope someday someone will come along with R&N's passion for EQ, but with a love for some of the latter expansions (just stop before LDoN!) They could make a server that doesn't have all the classic code, but does have only those expansions and single-boxing, and that would be amazing.

And honestly, if someone pulled the above off and actually got a functional server going with a decent population ... I kind of suspect Nilbog might be willing to share those classic code fixes. Maybe.

Release the server source code we won’t have to wait another 10 years for someone to do it.

[Tentarro]

Just play tlp, poor ass. Aradunes on luclin.

Speak english

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/F58X6Vy.jpg?1

[A Knight]

So, if we decide to let people play Luclin and Pop, which we should.

What if we make a new expansion for classic after Velious?

I know people might not like this idea.

But what about a new continent of 3 human races. When you take the boat to the continent its a city of Samurai like classes, that have accepted the outer world access their port. Then to the west are Mongolian like horse riders. To the south west are elusive Native American like characters. They start with plus 100 track, and on their open planes its good for questing at low levels. Also nice cheap bows drop there often.

[A Knight]

Dang did they lower the timer of how fast you can edit posts?

[A Knight]

I was going to edit it so it says, "3 human civilizations" instead of 3 human races.

[Jibartik]

This is the raid level trolling section.

[Bearsnowls]

I want to raid Vex Thal, The deep, Ssra, Plane of Disease, Kill Xegony, kill Rathe council, and have an amazing time in Plane of Time !

No

[NPC]

As if we need the population spread out.

It would provide a handful of new permanent pharming spots while obsoleting a bunch of older pharming spots.

Paludal caverns are like maximum hyper power level for levels 1-10000 if you have classic EXP modifiers in place, that zone was insane.

So we would trade all content on vanilla, kunark, and velious, for the bazaar and like 2 or 3 other pharm spots.

Sounds dumb.

Geez do you not remember when these expansions hit live?

Please someone put me out of my misery.

Project EQ the grand creation will meet your needs though. Play there. Live your dream.

We need the raid content boost, maybe they could remove the bazaar and ports.
FYI,When Seal Team wakes the sleeper, they should drop Luclin just to spite them.

[NPC]

So, if we decide to let people play Luclin and Pop, which we should.

What if we make a new expansion for classic after Velious?

I know people might not like this idea.

But what about a new continent of 3 human races. When you take the boat to the continent its a city of Samurai like classes, that have accepted the outer world access their port. Then to the west are Mongolian like horse riders. To the south west are elusive Native American like characters. They start with plus 100 track, and on their open planes its good for questing at low levels. Also nice cheap bows drop there often.

Exactly a modified custom Luclin, without the bazaar, no Beastlords, no cats, just focus on the AA and spells/skills addition (KEI anyone?) an the added raid content. Leave the rest of the exp unpopulated, ). The level wouldn't be raise or anything obviously.

[NPC]

Sontalak has about 100k HP. Max Manaburn value in Luclin/PoP is 9492. It would take nearly 2 groups of manaburn wizards.

Also worth note, 2 weeks before PoP launch Manaburn became a DD+Debuff with 1min duration with this line:

2 Stacking: Block new spell if slot 2 is effect 'Manaburn' and < 1

https://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhistory.html?id=2751&source=Live

2002-10-16 11:15 Changed Durationtext from Instant to 1 min
2002-10-16 11:15 Added Slot 2: Stacking: Block new spell if slot 2 is effect 'Stacking1' and < 1

Essentially it prevented multiple manaburns from landing on mobs that had just been hit by it. So after Luclin finished and PoP was close to release, you could no longer stack Manaburns. With Luclin AA rates and the fact that you need to get 24 AAs to unlock Manaburn I would be shocked if any guild had 12 wizards with Manaburn by PoP launch considering Spell Casting Fury/Mastery are more valuable AAs to get for a raiding wizard.

Also to everyone who hates on PoK, people already refuse to run a huge amount on P99. See all those people in EC asking for a teleport to South Ro for example, all 3 zonelines away. People on P99 tend to just pay someone who may as well be an NPC as far as they are concerned for a teleport to their destination. Having played both a 60 druid and 60 wizard on P99 I can tell you the social interactions from people asking for ports are basically non-existent. They're about 2 tells with travel destinations, payment offers and thanks. No one is forming friendships or static groups with the random guy asking for the druid or wizard to port them to another group that doesn't want a druid or wizard to join it.

Having PoK stones in though allows groups to pick up members without worrying about a huge travel time/delay to replace a member and it allows you to skip exp-highway zones and travel to oddball zones that don't see much traffic. Also by this time, druid/wizards are balanced out much better with AAs/Spells in Luclin and PoP, so the "loss" of porting it pretty negligible. Not to mention the Kunark/Velious/Luclin ports all still hold value, as do the Karana, Ro, Commons and Stonebrunt ports. Less than half of the classic teleports have a PoK book in them, 0 of the expansion ports have a PoK book (except Nexus/PoK themselves which don't really count)

In summary, when Green reached Velious end-game, make Blue a Luclin->PoP bound server.

Wrong about the manaburn, you forgot the crits son. At one point was critting for like 12k with Agnarr's Thunder alone. You crit a manaburn an BOOM!

[A Knight]

I've grown to not hate beastlords. Maybe only in a different version, like Luclin or Pop.

I still think there may, need to be a split between Luclin, pop and classic though. It may just have too much of a Luclin feel no matter what. Even if we take away most spire ports to Luclin, so wizards and druids still have ports. Like I said Luclin may be fun in its own version of EQ but maybe it takes away from the feel of classic, even if the expansion could have been done better.

I think we may need an entirely separate expansion for classic. Also, people may need to consider doing what we did to rubicite to other items. Lower/Change/relocate drops, because the feel of items devaluing may be inevitable no matter how good the expansion is, after x given amount of expansions.

[starkind]

my biggest issue is the endless AA grind, it literally could take u 5 years to get 200 aas

[Rawzr]

How bout green never goes past velious..since its the final product as they say... and do this with blue. Arent you goons tired of fighting and making new raiding rules for the same content year after year yet?

[starkind]

i'm making my 100th set of tattered armor

[A Knight]

They went to the moon but an unknown Erudite wizard cast too powerful of a spell on it, leaving the moon in disarray. Another wizard opened a portal in time and teleported Vah Shir and all those adventurers to the nearest planet.

Or they accidentally went back in time, and history was incorrect. There use to be dragon people that ruled norrath.

[Hibren]

my biggest issue is the endless AA grind, it literally could take u 5 years to get 200 aas

What a shame, having something to do to progress a character instead of parking it in tov to collect loot.:cool:

[hobart]

AAs before everyone had 17 level 60 alts was one of the best things ever to happen to EQ. It prevented so much of what is gross about P99.

What classic means and doesn't mean is an opinion. I think classic EQ is vanilla through LDoN. GoD/OoW was when two shitty expansions in a row combined with the release of WoW and EQ2 at the end of 2004 saw people leave EQ in droves.

A lot of people didn't like LoY or LDoN much either, but not a lot of people quit over those releases.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/F58X6Vy.jpg?1

[Charball]

https://i.imgur.com/F58X6Vy.jpg?1

I've come to expect more from you. This is really disappointing and low effort. Wasn't good the first 2 times you posted. Please find a better image and resubmit. Thank you.

[starkind]

Have u ever visited a real landfill Chortles? Went to a commercial one, and holy hell that place smelled.

[A Knight]

I think making a mmorpg fun, may be a combination of components that you wouldn't agree with and the only way to figure it out is just playing other games. (I know that's contrary because not many people play classic but /shrugs my opinion.) I think if you take away those components you slowly start to lose the feel of the game.

This is a game for nerds who like to dress up as elves after all.

I realize its a process of taking away one thing in the game, that will lead to more until its no longer a game for nerds who dress up as elves.

But, I think I could get into AA's, just maybe only a small amount of points into regen or something.

[Tethler]

But, I think I could get into AA's, just maybe only a small amount of points into regen or something.

Yeah, some of the passive AAs would be nice for balancing. Would really love to see melee and spell crits, ranger bow AAs, stuff like that. Activated skill AAs are too strong. Though really, with the gear levels on blue, even the passive stuff really isnt needed for content, just just additional progression instead of leveling alt #9.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/F58X6Vy.jpg?1

[starkind]

I'm OK if u just give us a /transfertotakp command

[Graahle]

TAKP definitely more classic than this funbox. Within 5 seconds of logging in you can tell lol.

[Graahle]

Oh and AAs are not hard. Get into an AE group in The Deep and you'll literally get 6 AAs an hour minimum. That poster saying 5 years to get 200 AAs has no idea what he's talking about lmao.

[starkind]

TAKP definitely more classic than this funbox. Within 5 seconds of logging in you can tell lol.

Oh and AAs are not hard. Get into an AE group in The Deep and you'll literally get 6 AAs an hour minimum. That poster saying 5 years to get 200 AAs has no idea what he's talking about lmao.

TRUE on both counts but i'm antisocial and wierd, so I don't do that kinda thing.

[Daldaen]

Yeah, some of the passive AAs would be nice for balancing. Would really love to see melee and spell crits, ranger bow AAs, stuff like that. Activated skill AAs are too strong. Though really, with the gear levels on blue, even the passive stuff really isnt needed for content, just just additional progression instead of leveling alt #9.

Frankly I think this is too many people’s view who just aren’t familiar with Luclin/PoP era AAs.

In Luclin, the only activateable AAs are in the tab window and most classes only have 0-3. Most of them are actually quite awful. The real strength of most AAs comes from the passives.

Warriors getting extra Mitigation/Avoidance with Combat Stability/Agility and extra HP with Natural Durability, and all of the about with Physical Enhancement is about 90% of the value warriors pull from Luclin AAs. Their class activateables are War Cry (group immunity to fear for 10 seconds every 36 minutes), Rampage (1 melee swing at every mob in an area every 10 minutes), and Area Taunt (a 100% success rate taunt on all mobs in an area every 10 minutes, doesn’t work on some dragons and NPCs with high centers of gravity like many NTOV Permarooted dragons). Among those only Area Taunt is super useful and even that isn’t huge with clicky aggro and a functional CH rotation.

Luclin AAs absolutely trivialize Velious raid content though. It is already extremely trivial since basically every event is a single dragon with 1-2 AEs and maybe Rampage or Flurry. No really touch mechanics to deal with at all. But AAs don’t belong on the server unless you add Luclin also. They definitely offer a great way to develop your character and prevent the best use of your time from being Powerleveling another level 60 alt to park out at a dragon. But they are designed for harder Luclin/PoP raids.

[A Knight]

I wonder if they did a Diablo 2 Resurrected project, on Everquest with it ending at Pop, how could they make better?

- Only way to spire port to Luclin is in West Commonlands.

- Remove Kael Tov Loot. Make Deepwater kunark classes armor more rare and also appear on the moon.

- Every time you gain a level you get the ability to use a Pop Book once.

[A Knight]

Up next. World of Warcraft made to be Everquest classic.

Not sure how many would want to be an Orc warrior with just Auto attack, taunt and kick. /shrugs I'd play.

[RecondoJoe]

WoW classic is truly closer to EQ than it is WoW Retail.

When you play WoW classic after recently playing on P99 you see the heavy influence in the game.

Pretty sure the run through Wetlands was made to mimic the long runs in EQ for young players.

And then having to ride a little boat out to an island in Feralas makes me have flashbacks from several zones in EQ.

[A Knight]

Wow classic seems to have overpacked zone content. I get it if people want to always have a mob attack you, to make it more hardcore. But I do enjoy the more "open" feeling of EQ zones. I want to look at wiki or something, while running, and then if a mob appears on the pathline, or I wander off it, it may be a significant encounter. A zone full of mobs and quests packed together makes it annoying to try to risk running through the zone somewhere.

And Wow quests might be an illusion of fun we all want to believe in. But turning in 10 apples, 10 pumpkins or kill 10 knights or 10 skeletons, for a basic bland piece of equipment, may just not be fun, even though we all wish it was.

FPS, RTS and other games may be for super intense mental contests of skill vs skill. But maybe mmorpgs are for chillin and taking a break, and feeling like I have accomplished something while pressing auto attack on a warrior. I also like the feeling of a simulated world that is very harsh, to remind me my life isn't that bad.

Don't get me wrong, I think pvp/battlegrounds in Wow could be/is awesome. (I've had fun so far.) It's just hard to get there unless you roll level 20 battlegrounds over and over.

And Wow is for people on Adderall.

[RecondoJoe]

I was trying to explain that to my friend who I play Classic with. He always asks about EQ because he never played it. Like in EQ, the zones feel real. Mobs move all over the place, there's random events.

In WoW the world feels fake. There are hundreds of mobs everywhere, and you can just mount up and run through all of them without a care in the world. They don't really roam or wander, and just stand stationary in the same spot. It makes the world feel very inanimate and dead.

If you just tried to run through a bunch of hostile mobs on EQ, bad things would happen. You either die, or you train someone else.

[A Knight]

I fully grasp the idea of Wow games though. Clicking lots of buttons make the game feel more legit. I just hope pantheon throws a rogue and wizard class that's pretty basic.

I thought it would be cool to have two types of warriors in a mmorpg. A normal warrior like classic EQ, but its mostly defense based. And then for those who like to click a lot of buttons, make them play simon. (Like the game from the 90's, where you press the colors in a pattern.)

Because it is true sometimes clicking the same set of buttons in a pattern, feels like you are doing something, but maybe not as much as one thinks. But if a warrior has to repeat a pattern to hold aggro, it will feel like there is a skill level of accomplishment.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/F58X6Vy.jpg?1

[Jimjam]

I fully grasp the idea of Wow games though. Clicking lots of buttons make the game feel more legit. I just hope pantheon throws a rogue and wizard class that's pretty basic.

I thought it would be cool to have two types of warriors in a mmorpg. A normal warrior like classic EQ, but its mostly defense based. And then for those who like to click a lot of buttons, make them play simon. (Like the game from the 90's, where you press the colors in a pattern.)

Because it is true sometimes clicking the same set of buttons in a pattern, feels like you are doing something, but maybe not as much as one thinks. But if a warrior has to repeat a pattern to hold aggro, it will feel like there is a skill level of accomplishment.

This is what /Gems is for. Everyone knows getting some sweet gems combos will improve your RNG.

[imsorryGMs]

Yes

[rahmani]

https://i.imgur.com/nGs9CZw.gif

[gredoo]

Wasn't EQ Mac locked at PoP until it's death? I think one could look at that as a example of how healthy a everquest server run long past it's expiry date fairs in terms of content.

[Fammaden]

Wasn't EQ Mac locked at PoP until it's death? I think one could look at that as a example of how healthy a everquest server run long past it's expiry date fairs in terms of content.

The takeaway there is, much like the TAKP server that emulates it, its easy to share and rotate when you have a mere fraction of the population of the more popular servers.

[Arteker]

P99 Yellow or Purple going to PoP would be a dream come true. The problem is it would depopulate blue and green to the point that the sad pixel horders/ poop sockers would probably commit suicide as all their hard work for dragon loots would become meaningless. The game is supposed to be fun, luclin and pop were fun as fuck. I played since October of 1999. Not quite the beginning but pretty close and of course all of this is opinion based but luclin and pop were amazing, just as good if not better than velious, for all the reasons listed.

I get the detractors too though. I understand the hate for mounts but they're also a great plat sink. I get the hate for cats on the moon but high fantasy often has a quirky or strange side. I get the hate for the bazaar but it was WAY better than what we have now with tunnel quest. I get the hate for the nexus / plane of knowledge / pop books but it honestly made the world more explorable, more accessible, MORE connected. Plane of Knowledge was the most social zone EQ had ever seen. The lore is amazing too. And wasn't PoTime instanced? I dont quite remember because I didn't raid it back in the day but I'm pretty sure it was instanced. That's a huge benefit there, the very top end zone with the best loot being instanced is incredible. And it's not a giveaway either because it took insane amount of time, gear, and flagging to even get in there.

Release P99 Purple. I want to go to the moon, like my doge coin.
instanced content showed up on lost dungueons of norrath, pop zones where accesible trough a flag system and keys .

They removed some restrictions of said flag eventualy due to moans and bitchin of people wich could not even finish the trials of justice to acces plane of valor

[gredoo]

The takeaway there is, much like the TAKP server that emulates it, its easy to share and rotate when you have a mere fraction of the population of the more popular servers.

wasn't EQMac hitting at least 1000 players at peek?

[Fammaden]

Wasn't EQ Mac locked at PoP until it's death? I think one could look at that as a example of how healthy a everquest server run long past it's expiry date fairs in terms of content.

Your very own post I was responding to is talking about it being past its peak. I'm sure there's some people on TAKP who played there and would know what the population was like in the years after they stopped updating and supporting the server. I was under the impression it was a more small and tight knit community as the years went on.

[gredoo]

Your very own post I was responding to is talking about it being past its peak. I'm sure there's some people on TAKP who played there and would know what the population was like in the years after they stopped updating and supporting the server. I was under the impression it was a more small and tight knit community as the years went on.

I'm more curious in general what eqmac population was like in it's last years - like are we talking 300 at peak or 2000? I'd consider p99 a 'tight knit' community.

So if server population is similar to P99 did it have the same problems - a couple guilds dominating all the content,causing endless drama, and leaving no pixels for the casual who can't drop everything to login and race?

Question i'm really asking is if PoP is sorta the sweet spot for Everquest where there is enough content for everyone but not too much of a desert

[Shawk]

I'm more curious in general what eqmac population was like in it's last years - like are we talking 300 at peak or 2000? I'd consider p99 a 'tight knit' community.

So if server population is similar to P99 did it have the same problems - a couple guilds dominating all the content,causing endless drama, and leaving no pixels for the casual who can't drop everything to login and race?

Question i'm really asking is if PoP is sorta the sweet spot for Everquest where there is enough content for everyone but not too much of a desert

This is what ruined Everquest in the first place IMO (at least for me..)

Everyone wanting to participate.. I get it but it actually ruined MMORPGS in general.

Today, MMORPGs are literally made for the ultra casual basically.. Something like WoW today may be a little different but generally everything being made so anyone can have anything they want.. Paying for that feat is also an option now adays.

Seems all inclusive, but is actually all exclusive.. Literally everyone was arguing this on live, whining about guilds having control when that is literally what a guild is suppose to do. So then what, make more servers, spread the community way out.

This was a fucking disaster in Dark age of Camelot, they spread everything so thin, then had to mash the servers back today (Server clusters are dumb) just so a bunch of people can get everything they want.. get bored.. and leave anyways.

There is zero loyalty in players who just want control. Those Guilds who have control work hard at it.. It isn't hard to see, and they deserve their pence.

This way of thinking about EQ really just puts more money in the pocket of the developer (short term..) and kind of forces the dev to just keep pushing out garbage content for a specific type of people that alienate the core audience.

Doing this IMO goes against the core of your character being built and ruins any sort of feat that came from actually doing quests and tasks because to deal with this developers dumb the game down.

With Role Playing games in general, Online versions especially, you are suppose to Role Play (or at least you were suppose to back when people had imagination..) So if you are a casual, roleplay someone who is a casual.. But of coarse that suggestion today seems silly because everyone wants everything easy. MMORPGs have become achievement hunter games for people who just want every title, every item, every alt varietion of class, every race..

Ironic gamers called Everquest players "Carebears" but the truth is the game use to be hardcore.

"Content for everyone" leads to Instancing.. And zero desire for that content any longer, the magic is gone, the immersion is gone.. and really disagreement with this usually just comes out as the reality that people who need this all inclusive game design never really played the game for the Role Play aspect of the mmoRPG genre so id had hoped developers would just let them fall off the game, instead they catered to them.

There will always be an argument between PoP and Classic. PoP people want to force the player base (you wouldn't have on a PoP server..) to play on a PoP server.. So dumb.

[Grumph]

We could use more raid content. I think that’s the biggest drive behind the ideas.

Luclin and/or PoP is one way to do that.

Another would be: buff some existing mobs/zones.

Talendor, Faydedar, Phini, Naggy and Vox (fun idea: have existing 52 lock versions spawn in LS and Pf with banishment - put buffed versions in dungeon), something in Paw, CT (zone).

Or even easier.

Give each class guild GM a head drop - to turn into another GM.


Honestly, without any more expansions or content additions, all that happens is content shrinks.

Items get nerfed (either along timeline or not). More restrictions/limits put on raid guilds (fewer chances at mobs).

Wow - same reason people ask for rotating zems. Desire for more content. (Vs staying in one zone forever).

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/F58X6Vy.jpg?1

[Fammaden]

We could use more raid content.

...

Desire for more content.

No we don't need more raid content. You want it because you've exhausted what you have, but many people come and go and others still show up for whom the progression path is still viable and novel.

The project has delivered exactly what it promised. We have a place to play classic through Velious EQ in a decent emulation of what the game was.

This isn't a live video game, there's zero obligation to keep feeding anyone more or newer raid content. If P99 no longer delivers for you then its time for you to either move on or adjust your expectations.

[gredoo]

"Content for everyone" leads to Instancing.. And zero desire for that content any longer, the magic is gone, the immersion is gone.. and really disagreement with this usually just comes out as the reality that people who need this all inclusive game design never really played the game for the Role Play aspect of the mmoRPG genre so id had hoped developers would just let them fall off the game, instead they catered to them.


For everquest we aren't talking about any of that simply providing enough enticing content for the hardcore to fight over so scraps are left for the casuals. How many years has the current content been effectively trivial?


There will always be an argument between PoP and Classic. PoP people want to force the player base (you wouldn't have on a PoP server..) to play on a PoP server.. So dumb.

Folks have invested a lot of time and effort into p99 - for better or worse it's where the population is. Why would anyone join a server with 200 players (half of which are going to be boxs) when p99 is hitting - right now 1025 players on green and 686 on blue?

[RevSaber]

Aradune TLP Starts POP on Wednesday j/s. Got 120 aas ready to spend too!

[Shawk]

For everquest we aren't talking about any of that simply providing enough enticing content for the hardcore to fight over so scraps are left for the casuals. How many years has the current content been effectively trivial?



Folks have invested a lot of time and effort into p99 - for better or worse it's where the population is. Why would anyone join a server with 200 players (half of which are going to be boxs) when p99 is hitting - right now 1025 players on green and 686 on blue?

Not saying you are wrong or anything. I know the feeling but.. Try having zero content for 10 years I mean I have been watching EQEmu development for what seems like 20 years and everything had been really really slow the first 10 years, No one else really even tried.. this last 5 years has been amazing for p99 and as much as I agree I find that this stretched out growth gives people time to really digest the content.

And to be honest, I don't play end game period. I could play Blue for 40 years and still have shit to do, I am very casual.

I HOPE the owners are focused on preservation of the content in their individual eras rather than preservation of "entertained players", So id love to see something like this:

Blue (Velious)
Green (Kunark)
Purple (SoL)
Poop-Brown(PoP)

Hard lock the servers at those expansions, Actually preserving the game as it should.

Planetside has zero players on its emulated server.. Sad, but kinda shows how good EQ is, and Blue having the amount of players it has at the moment is kind of example of how this locking of servers at specific expansions is a good idea. IMO.

[Shawk]

oh and the best server

Marble (Classic)

[Barik]

Staff have spent a vast amount of time removing everything including luclin+ content from the P99 code.

check out TAKP (https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php)

This.

[Bisonzabi]

Luclin was a cool concept, but the expansion was obviously rushed (an understatement really). Also didn't help that it capped the scope of how big Norrath is and any additional continents were usually tied to some stupid plot device that it was beyond some invisible mist or some shit.
And while many people didn't like the spires for valid reasons, there was obviously a problem with each new expansion spreading the community out further and further. Ever wonder why the the devs placed the gateway to Velious just a zone away from one of the gateways to Kunark and near the EC tunnels rather than on the western side of Antonica or even Odus?

[RecondoJoe]

I feel like the average person probably didnt consume most of Luclin content before PoP or even GoD/OoW came out

like I remember there only being a few top guilds doing high end raids in Luclin when PoP came out

always feels weird when people speak about the expansions in hindsight and now how they actually affected the average player base, who was likely still struggling with kunark when luclin came out lol

[myrddraal]

I feel like the average person probably didnt consume most of Luclin content before PoP or even GoD/OoW came out

like I remember there only being a few top guilds doing high end raids in Luclin when PoP came out

always feels weird when people speak about the expansions in hindsight and now how they actually affected the average player base, who was likely still struggling with kunark when luclin came out lol

thats because Vex Thall keys were cancerous.

[Graahle]

thats because Vex Thall keys were cancerous.

VT Key is significantly easier than VP key. By a long shot.

[Boptop]

you can afk the worst parts of vp key.. only real bottleneck is trak

[myrddraal]

you can just buy the medallions for like 25-30k lol. Vex thall was waaaay worse.

[Bisonzabi]

Rereading Tigole's rants from 2002 about VT is always good fun
http://web.archive.org/web/20090608040522/http://www.legacyofsteel.net/oldsite/arc23.html

[Mblake1981]

Rereading Tigole's rants from 2002 about VT is always good fun
http://web.archive.org/web/20090608040522/http://www.legacyofsteel.net/oldsite/arc23.html

Read most of that.

[Croco]

I feel like the average person probably didnt consume most of Luclin content before PoP or even GoD/OoW came out

like I remember there only being a few top guilds doing high end raids in Luclin when PoP came out

always feels weird when people speak about the expansions in hindsight and now how they actually affected the average player base, who was likely still struggling with kunark when luclin came out lol

My experience as a mostly casual when Luclin came out couldn't have been different than what you're supposing. People weren't struggling with kunark when luclin launched because people didn't consume expansions one after another in strict order.

Everything in velious except AoW had been killed by the time luclin launched so raiders and the average person/casual alike were thrilled about experiencing the new content because beastlords were all the rage and there were a lot of people, not me personally, who were excited about the new character models.

Also the nexus and bazaar were very welcome additions to the game. Coming from a server that didn't have a DaP type system/guild in place the nexus was a complete game changer for being able to go from one continent to another without taking boats.

[RevSaber]

It would suck, no one could RMT and the dragons would still be rooted and communist ;)

[RecondoJoe]

It would suck, no one could RMT and the dragons would still be rooted and communist ;)

In all seriousness I feel like RMT is a lot easier on TLP...

[Jibartik]

I thought TLP was designed for rmt?

Krono has a fricken stock ticker lmao

[Grumph]

We need more content so that everyone who got max BiS gear can see their hard work... extended in new and exciting avenues!

And eveyrone who bargain shopped for 2nd teir items can go bravely into new lands feeling almost as well equipped!

[Gustoo]

Go play TAKP.

[RevSaber]

Just pay $15 bucks... Jeez poors

[Bardp1999]

Pantheon will solve all our problems

[bomaroast]

Dang, I just want to raid some omens of war. Why stop at pop?

[starkind]

So

I

Found

This

Amazing Art

In Luclin <3

who woulda known? I went 50 years without seeing it !

glad i took the time to go exploring for once!

https://i.imgur.com/qe6rOO7.png

[starkind]

so i just logged back into scarlet desert again finally but this time i had my headphones on and turned up, amazing music :P

we need a fantasy-sci-fi-western in space game

[mcoy]

I'd play Firefly: Online.

-Mcoy

[Baler]

I'd play Firefly: Online.

-Mcoy

I would have played Stargate Worlds. :)

[starkind]

I'd play Firefly: Online.

-Mcoy

I would have played Stargate Worlds. :)

I K R

i was in the office the day they offered to let us beta test stargate worlds, but i left that company shortly after R.I.P.

[Reddarok]

OP mad because vanquish is dead...

[Jibartik]

man eq stargate sign me up

[Patriam1066]

Pantheon will solve all our problems

Lol’d

[SantagarBrax]

Yes please, allow Blue to go to luclin and in 5 years or so pop. Problems solved.

We've heard the "custom content" rumor forever now. Reintroduce the luclin code and tweak what you feel you need to, it'll be much easier and faster.

Those of you that don't want it, stay in velious and get all the pixels that the raiding guilds won't be there for. Except Vulak and AoW, you guys are never getting that unless its a handout. :)

[bradsamma]

I will donate $100 to the server if they open luclin.

[RecondoJoe]

I will donate $100 to the server if they open luclin.

Why not just play Luclin on Mischief or Thornblade?

I agree a P99 that went to Luclin/PoP would be very interesting for a number of reasons, by also impossible IMHO, without completely starting over and it may actually infringe on the agreement they have with DBG?

I can tell you as someone who has played on P99 and on TLP... a lot of the things that I thought made P99 cool and "hard" were just stupid

Being able to log into the game and play is really fucking nice.

On TLP you will never have to worry about never being able to camp the mob you want to camp because some guild has it perma AFK farmed. You will never have to worry about your entire guild missing out on their scheduled raid set because another guild drew aggro first.

It's just nice to be able to log in and play EverQuest. TLP has given me more nostalgia than P99 did and i genuinely mean that. The EverQuest experience I remember 20 years ago was logging in and going down to Lower Guk and camping half the undead zone for exp and loot without having to worry about getting banned because some guild claimed 80% of the mobs indefinitely.

I remember being able to log on and join a PUG raid and maybe get a piece of planar gear. This is still the norm on TLP.

It's just like... P99 really fell off the tracks with PnP. Like welp, can't exp in any zone where good loot drops, so instead we'll be forced to kill greens in zones where the loot is fucking atrocious (CT, Hole, looking at you). Have some free time? Maybe go join a PUG raid. Nah, that's not allowed literally at all on P99. Pretty sure you would get straight up banned if you decided you were going to pug anything on P99. Like legit AF.

[bradsamma]

A) I have a lot of friends on p99
B) I am attached to my characters I've already leveled to 60.
C) I don't want to have everyone boxing a dozen characters.

[RecondoJoe]

A) I have a lot of friends on p99
B) I am attached to my characters I've already leveled to 60.
C) I don't want to have everyone boxing a dozen characters.

I've never made close friends on P99, and I find that kind of sad because I genuinely love conversation with people online. So I was pleasantly surprised to discover that people on TLP are way more interested in friendship and social interaction with one another.

I played the hell out of some P99 and never heard a single friend's voice on voice chat. My first night on TLP I had a group invite me to Discord, and started regularly having voice chats 1-50. Makes the game a lot less mind numbing and disorienting when you have friends to talk to and joke with.

It's honestly nice to be able to hear someone's voice too, and see what they look like or learn more about them or where they're from. You can tell when someone's getting tired or if they are serious about trying to pull an all-nighter. If they're trying to be greedy with loot or if they genuinely want something for an upgrade.

Also a shocking amount of females play on TLP, which was surprising for me, but it really shouldn't be. Like go on Tiktok and search EverQuest and that's literally the tip of the ice berg. I would argue that TLP has a female population comparable in proportion to that of WoW.

Also another thing about TLP that makes it more social is the fact that you can group with your friends. On P99, you don't just log on and group with your friends unless you are lucky. You usually take whatever group you can get, and a lot of times that's no group at all. But on TLP you build a group of friends, and then go to whatever zone you want to play in and type /pick and have fun. It feels so much better when you play the game with people you consider friends and not just the only group in your level range who would invite you, and whose name you probably won't remember 2 days from now.

[RecondoJoe]

A) I have a lot of friends on p99
B) I am attached to my characters I've already leveled to 60.
C) I don't want to have everyone boxing a dozen characters.

Also most people boxing will never impact you at all, it's like most of them are playing the game single player and will go out of their way to ever be in the same /pick as you. very few people (in my experience none) are going to multi-box 6 toons to join a 40-man raid guild. It just doesn't happen.

One thing that is funny though that ive noticed since playing on TLP.. like sometimes it's really hard to tell when someone is boxing and it makes me wonder how many people on P99 were boxing and I had no clue... like there is this monk/druid box on EQ who will simultaneously be moving both characters around different corridors of a dungeon, pulling with both of them. I have no clue how he does it, but it's very, very, very hard to tell that one person is controlling both characters.

Then other times when I think someone is boxing they're actually not and I'm shocked. Like IDK.

[cd288]

TLDR: Joe is really upset that people on P99 dislike him so now he just wants to talk about how great TLP is to try and like insult P99 or something. No other reason why he would keep coming here and posting about it. Just gets sadder and sadder the more we see of him

[RecondoJoe]

ITT a fat person talks about being sad

[cd288]

ITT a fat person talks about being sad

Translation: Joe is so mentally messed up that he thinks if you don’t try to brag about yourself on the internet it means you’re fat or unemployed etc.

Side note, he talks so much shit on P99 yet at the end of the day he can’t get enough of it and can’t keep himself from coming back here lol

[RecondoJoe]

TLDR fat kid is mad kid

[cd288]

TLDR fat kid is mad kid

Joe is off his meds tonight he’s having meltdowns left and right in every thread

[RecondoJoe]

Imagine calling yourself a liberal while having the audacity to make fun of people who have mental health issues

Like I’m a conservative who hates PC culture and even I won’t stoop that low

[cd288]

Imagine calling yourself a liberal while having the audacity to make fun of people who have mental health issues

Like I’m a conservative who hates PC culture and even I won’t stoop that low

I’m not making fun of people with mental issues I’m just making a factual statement about your current state. Your low IQ strikes again

[starkind]

A lot of rly gr8 music in luclin pplz.

[Faxi]

+1 for Luclin.

EQ was vastly better past Velious. Classes were developed, itemization was better, bosses actually had mechanics over boring AF mindless tank and CH macro. Luclin and PoP were better in every way. I disagreed with the enormous power jump in PoP but whatever.

WTF hasnt someone launched a 1 ... ONE... 1 true box, Planes of Power Emu server? TRUE TO ERA. DO IT. p2002 might get more than 100 players if it werent a crappy 3 box server. its actually pretty great otherwise.

[Gustoo]

It's not better, its just those things you described.

Luclin + literally deletes the entire old world + kunark + velious. Old world items are like complete garbage, old world zones not really needed at all...ghost town. ETC.

So yeah at level 60 you get cooler items. AA points let you do cool insane things.

But every aspect of actual everquest is stabbed in the heart and head chopped off.

So its a cool game, and you should play p2002

but people are playing here because "classic" everquest is different, and the people here like it.

For reals play the TLP server starkind and others are playing I bet you would love that.

[starkind]

It's not better, its just those things you described.

Luclin + literally deletes the entire old world + kunark + velious. Old world items are like complete garbage, old world zones not really needed at all...ghost town. ETC.

So yeah at level 60 you get cooler items. AA points let you do cool insane things.

But every aspect of actual everquest is stabbed in the heart and head chopped off.

So its a cool game, and you should play p2002

but people are playing here because "classic" everquest is different, and the people here like it.

For reals play the TLP server starkind and others are playing I bet you would love that.

Yeah. No point in luclin only server when u can really enjoy luclin at your own pace.

TLP is a great break from classic.

[TripSin]

Planes of Power was probably my favorite expansion. Didn't play to many more after that, though.

[Croco]

It's not better, its just those things you described.

Luclin + literally deletes the entire old world + kunark + velious. Old world items are like complete garbage, old world zones not really needed at all...ghost town. ETC.

So yeah at level 60 you get cooler items. AA points let you do cool insane things.

But every aspect of actual everquest is stabbed in the heart and head chopped off.

So its a cool game, and you should play p2002

but people are playing here because "classic" everquest is different, and the people here like it.

For reals play the TLP server starkind and others are playing I bet you would love that.

I'm not sure if you know this but Velious literally deletes kunark + old world as well except for some clicky items and a couple quest items that were introduced to kunark after velious anyways.

Go back and look at the luclin aa's, there's nothing "insane", it's all just good quality of life stuff and slow/steady power increases. You don't see the "insane" AA's till later in the game.

What is the "aspect of actual everquest"? Please shake your fist at the clouds more. Luclin was fantastic and PoP was the pinnacle of EQ. People are playing here because it started out as a classic server, it no longer is, and because there was no other game in town. If there was a true/single box server that went up to Luclin or PoP the population of p99 would plummet.

[starkind]

the stuff that made tlp was the gating and quests like vt key that were just straight up bottle necks, so on live most of that stuff for most of that content is relaxed or not even needed

anyway, a luclin only server would be fun for a bit, but it really is a mediocre unfinished expansion

even pop has a lot of unfinished ness to it, and it was obvious the devs were checking out with pop (EQ should have went to the planes to help their respective gods and have real story not just kill them (this is were some later expansions go a little bit))

[Graahle]

I’d be curious to see some examples of “unfinished” you refer to

[nyclin]

I’d be curious to see some examples of “unfinished” you refer to

it wasn't particularly egregious but:
- grimling war/acrylia caverns storyline quest was broken for quite a while, this was supposed to be the 'casual' path and required less players than ssra or seru
- vex thal key quest was intentionally broken for a bit while VT was completed. VT went live with a completely different mob set (and also about 2x the trash as the 'finished' version)
- seru bane weapons either weren't working or were unobtainable... i can't remember, either way lord inquisitor seru was much harder to kill than intended until bane weapons were fixed/available

[starkind]

My big gripe about pop mostly is we don't ally with our gods and quest for them and everything is in pop.

My wizard worships errollisi. She was kos to the armor suit golems in halls of honor. Now she's kos to everything there cuz they attacked her and her Goddesses partner, whatever is now a loot pinata. I ran around invis and hailed some of the named npcs b4 the golems wrecked my faction. They don't say anything...

There's tons of stuff like this it's obvious every expansion was really ambitious but the board of investors, cfo, producers had to pull the plug on development at the last month and quick itemization and named mobs were hacked in to get a release.

As much as ppl bitch about blizzard, and as much as they have come from the opposite direction, being skimpy on art and heavy handed with itemization and loot piñatas, they actually did way better than SoE in the coherent storyline and thematic faction department.

It's quite obvious Seru, and Tsaph r both vampires. Bertoxxulous should have had us corrupting and toppling a city in his own expansion. And Sol Ro should have sent us back in time to stop the combine empire from defeating The Rathe Council, etc... that got shelved and handed to whoever is the big boss of the plane of Discord in SoD, etc..


Anyway There's plenty of scraps left behind and great stuff to infer, and I personally think 2 expansions back should definitely just be soloable. There's no point in those expansions dying and falling into oblivion within two years. Expscs are like $80 bucks, definitely should get at least 5 years out of them, 1 year for the mmo competition. And then let the casual scum see them.

On live most people didn't even see the elemental planes until late into OoW.

[starkind]

My big gripe about pop mostly is we don't ally with our gods and quest for them and everything is in pop.

My wizard worships errollisi. She was kos to the armor suit golems in halls of honor. Now she's kos to everything there cuz they attacked her and her Goddesses partner, whatever is now a loot pinata. I ran around invis and hailed some of the named npcs b4 the golems wrecked my faction. They don't say anything...

There's tons of stuff like this it's obvious every expansion was really ambitious but the board of investors, cfo, producers had to pull the plug on development at the last month and quick itemization and named mobs were hacked in to get a release.

As much as ppl bitch about blizzard, and as much as they have come from the opposite direction, being skimpy on art and heavy handed with itemization and loot piñatas, they actually did way better than SoE in the coherent storyline and thematic faction department.

It's quite obvious Seru, and Tsaph r both vampires. Bertoxxulous should have had us corrupting and toppling a city in his own expansion. And Sol Ro should have sent us back in time to stop the combine empire from defeating The Rathe Council, etc... that got shelved and handed to whoever is the big boss of the plane of Discord in SoD, etc..


Anyway There's plenty of scraps left behind and great stuff to infer, and I personally think 2 expansions back should definitely just be soloable. There's no point in those expansions dying and falling into oblivion within two years. Expscs are like $80 bucks, definitely should get at least 5 years out of them, 1 year for the mmo competition. And then let the casual scum see them.

On live most people didn't even see the elemental planes until late into OoW.

Idk. I sorta see now why SoE sold the IP. They probably kept losing developers and writers cuz SoE didn't repect the point and spirit of MMOs, let alone rpgs...like I'm not even saying the big boss was evil, just they had this multi million dollar corporation breathing down their neck and had to make do... rather than release 1 really amazing expansion every 3-4 years.

[Bisonzabi]

SoE never sold the IP, their company just branched off from Sony, was bought and controlled by an investment group, and sold to a holding company recently. Darkpaw Studios is still part of the 'SoE'/Daybreak nucleus that holds the IP along with Planetside 2, DCO ect. This is much in the same way how Verant was part of 989 Studios (SoE) from the start but branched off in case EQ1 turned out to be a failure at launch.

I honestly don't think the franchise was worth much hence why it was sold to an Eastern European investor rather than being acquired from a credible publisher in the game industry. The recent worth of DBG as a whole was $300 million which is pretty low when you combine all of the MMO ip's they have acquired for publishing rights.

[Arteker]

My big gripe about pop mostly is we don't ally with our gods and quest for them and everything is in pop.

My wizard worships errollisi. She was kos to the armor suit golems in halls of honor. Now she's kos to everything there cuz they attacked her and her Goddesses partner, whatever is now a loot pinata. I ran around invis and hailed some of the named npcs b4 the golems wrecked my faction. They don't say anything...

There's tons of stuff like this it's obvious every expansion was really ambitious but the board of investors, cfo, producers had to pull the plug on development at the last month and quick itemization and named mobs were hacked in to get a release.

As much as ppl bitch about blizzard, and as much as they have come from the opposite direction, being skimpy on art and heavy handed with itemization and loot piñatas, they actually did way better than SoE in the coherent storyline and thematic faction department.

It's quite obvious Seru, and Tsaph r both vampires. Bertoxxulous should have had us corrupting and toppling a city in his own expansion. And Sol Ro should have sent us back in time to stop the combine empire from defeating The Rathe Council, etc... that got shelved and handed to whoever is the big boss of the plane of Discord in SoD, etc..


Anyway There's plenty of scraps left behind and great stuff to infer, and I personally think 2 expansions back should definitely just be soloable. There's no point in those expansions dying and falling into oblivion within two years. Expscs are like $80 bucks, definitely should get at least 5 years out of them, 1 year for the mmo competition. And then let the casual scum see them.

On live most people didn't even see the elemental planes until late into OoW.
seru wasnt a vampire, He WAs the archetype of Evil paladin .

Nothing beats being a MM paladin back on pop and ur guild first kill on plane of valor b ends with you gettin the kill shot.While allready having The Betrayer tittle