Seal Team removes ourselves from all player agreements

[Phatez]

We agree to nothing.

[Scalem]

GM's make a simple change for the overall health of the server. ST instantly deletes the Green UN server and rage quits every agreement. Y'all really are a bunch of high school girls.

[Imposter]

titty babies

[zaneosak]

nobody cares you fucking baby

[Dildy]

Competition is hard

[Qcmagican]

GM's make a simple change for the overall health of the server. ST instantly deletes the Green UN server and rage quits every agreement. Y'all really are a bunch of high school girls.

[Vallaen]

It also doesnt matter if you remove yourself from the player agreements. If the rest of the server on green decides to agree than seal team will be forced to follow.

[Local]

Embarrassing.

[Iswin]

We agree to nothing.

Did you hit your pizza delivery quota for this weekend?

[Cawin]

Most mercurial neckbeards I've ever known. GG nerds.

[uygi]

https://i.imgur.com/rAb2omK.png

[Shinko]

What happens if more guilds agree to no rules?

[uygi]

Oh wow. You know it's big when there's a Shinko sighting...

[nphixion]

Welcome to your “book not up” moment in p99 history. Gratz on your OoAs that you couldn’t win through competition, and I hope that the GMs make an example out of your perverse addiction to being a victim.

To the guild with the most blood ember breastplates on the server: cheers.
I can’t wait to see how y’all destroy the epic bottlenecks for the rest of the sever too.

[Albanwr]

bunch of clowns lol

[Albanwr]

What happens if more guilds agree to no rules?

more GM intervention, more GMs giving out rules that the GMs dont want to do, more bans getting handed out that should have happened months ago.

[Redlite]

Lol, just more proof that despite all the cute bullshit spewed by st leadership, your goal is just to deny everyone else pixels and the chance to experience all of EQ.

[Daloon]

Wait Trak is the VP blocker... how on Earth are GMs enforcing that mob right now in its most crucial timeline? wtf?

[chuckleluckle]

muh welfare pixels

[nphixion]

Wait Trak is the VP blocker... how on Earth are GMs enforcing that mob right now in its most crucial timeline? wtf?

Yup. GMs did that. And to retaliate, ST went after the overseer of airs they couldn’t win by themselves.

[Bach]

Enjoy your upcoming and hopefully permanent BAN.

GM truthfully have no other choice but to ban you guys, you have been toxic from the start, it will be well deserve.

[dajudge]

Seal team created the UN, yeah? So did they just game it so they could hook people into player agreements and get free pixels for one cycle? They even left the UN once before and did the same thing if I remember correctly.

Pathetic, their leadership is rotten. Wonder when the rest of the server will pickup on their antics that they've been doing since their players transitioned from Blue to green.

[Ivory]

Yup. GMs did that. And to retaliate, ST went after the overseer of airs they couldn’t win by themselves.

Once upon a time there was a dragon called "SealiousTeam", and nearby was a green village.

It was a nice dragon, that would let the nearby villagers come and join in their deer hunts. Sharing in the meats. Would even play in races with villagers.

But, at end of day... it was a dragon, and dragons is free.

Dragons don't see the forest as belonging to anyone. The deer in the forest goes to whoever hunts it!! As is the way of dragons. As far as dragons is concerned, the villagers can hunt all the deer they can manage (and they get deer too).... in fact the dragons like the competition! It sharpens dragons senses.....

But the villagers don't see it the same way.... they see the forest as theirs. So they try to pass laws that regulate what deer the dragons can hunts....

They don't want to hunt like dragons do. They want to sit back and let the dragon hunt in the forest, and then say after a few deer, the dragon has to give deer to the village.

That goes against the dragon way!! Deer belong to who can hunt deer!!! Dragons will share deer already, one week every month they share their deer hunts with everyone coming on the hunt with them.

So if village doesn't want to live with the forest and deer belonging to those who hunt it.... then the dragon will get angry, and hunt harder than ever before! The village will starve for trying to take what they don't earn!!!!

[silo32]

First time i can agree with op. Un is dumb and only carries sand bag warm body guilds. Phuck the un phatez take the server down. Y'all should have never shared. Let East common flow with blood of tears.

Good on seal team. First time I be agree with your decision in years.

[HalflingSpergand]

Op tldr : look at me daddy

[xdrcfrx]

Once upon a time there was a dragon called "SealiousTeam", and nearby was a green village.

It was a nice dragon, that would let the nearby villagers come and join in their deer hunts. Sharing in the meats. Would even play in races with villagers.

But, at end of day... it was a dragon, and dragons is free.

Dragons don't see the forest as belonging to anyone. The deer in the forest goes to whoever hunts it!! As is the way of dragons. As far as dragons is concerned, the villagers can hunt all the deer they can manage (and they get deer too).... in fact the dragons like the competition! It sharpens dragons senses.....

But the villagers don't see it the same way.... they see the forest as theirs. So they try to pass laws that regulate what deer the dragons can hunts....

They don't want to hunt like dragons do. They want to sit back and let the dragon hunt in the forest, and then say after a few deer, the dragon has to give deer to the village.

That goes against the dragon way!! Deer belong to who can hunt deer!!! Dragons will share deer already, one week every month they share their deer hunts with everyone coming on the hunt with them.

So if village doesn't want to live with the forest and deer belonging to those who hunt it.... then the dragon will get angry, and hunt harder than ever before! The village will starve for trying to take what they don't earn!!!!

very cringe.

[zaldaben]

Once upon a time there was a dragon called "SealiousTeam", and nearby was a green village.

It was a nice dragon, that would let the nearby villagers come and join in their deer hunts. Sharing in the meats. Would even play in races with villagers.

But, at end of day... it was a dragon, and dragons is free.

Dragons don't see the forest as belonging to anyone. The deer in the forest goes to whoever hunts it!! As is the way of dragons. As far as dragons is concerned, the villagers can hunt all the deer they can manage (and they get deer too).... in fact the dragons like the competition! It sharpens dragons senses.....

But the villagers don't see it the same way.... they see the forest as theirs. So they try to pass laws that regulate what deer the dragons can hunts....

They don't want to hunt like dragons do. They want to sit back and let the dragon hunt in the forest, and then say after a few deer, the dragon has to give deer to the village.

That goes against the dragon way!! Deer belong to who can hunt deer!!! Dragons will share deer already, one week every month they share their deer hunts with everyone coming on the hunt with them.

So if village doesn't want to live with the forest and deer belonging to those who hunt it.... then the dragon will get angry, and hunt harder than ever before! The village will starve for trying to take what they don't earn!!!!

in the real world there are still villages and no more dragons soooo...

[Wyclef31]

Once upon a time there was a dragon called "SealiousTeam", and nearby was a green village.

It was a nice dragon, that would let the nearby villagers come and join in their deer hunts. Sharing in the meats. Would even play in races with villagers.

But, at end of day... it was a dragon, and dragons is free.

Dragons don't see the forest as belonging to anyone. The deer in the forest goes to whoever hunts it!! As is the way of dragons. As far as dragons is concerned, the villagers can hunt all the deer they can manage (and they get deer too).... in fact the dragons like the competition! It sharpens dragons senses.....

But the villagers don't see it the same way.... they see the forest as theirs. So they try to pass laws that regulate what deer the dragons can hunts....

They don't want to hunt like dragons do. They want to sit back and let the dragon hunt in the forest, and then say after a few deer, the dragon has to give deer to the village.

That goes against the dragon way!! Deer belong to who can hunt deer!!! Dragons will share deer already, one week every month they share their deer hunts with everyone coming on the hunt with them.

So if village doesn't want to live with the forest and deer belonging to those who hunt it.... then the dragon will get angry, and hunt harder than ever before! The village will starve for trying to take what they don't earn!!!!

The problem is the Dragon's appetite is too big and it eats more Deer than is sustainable for the environment. Balance is the way of the universe, Dragons or not.

[hewopepweow]

for trying to take what they don't earn!!!!

Like taking all the OoA's because you get waxed every noble race?

[Local]

Once upon a time there was a dragon called "SealiousTeam", and nearby was a green village.

It was a nice dragon, that would let the nearby villagers come and join in their deer hunts. Sharing in the meats. Would even play in races with villagers.

But, at end of day... it was a dragon, and dragons is free.

Dragons don't see the forest as belonging to anyone. The deer in the forest goes to whoever hunts it!! As is the way of dragons. As far as dragons is concerned, the villagers can hunt all the deer they can manage (and they get deer too).... in fact the dragons like the competition! It sharpens dragons senses.....

But the villagers don't see it the same way.... they see the forest as theirs. So they try to pass laws that regulate what deer the dragons can hunts....

They don't want to hunt like dragons do. They want to sit back and let the dragon hunt in the forest, and then say after a few deer, the dragon has to give deer to the village.

That goes against the dragon way!! Deer belong to who can hunt deer!!! Dragons will share deer already, one week every month they share their deer hunts with everyone coming on the hunt with them.

So if village doesn't want to live with the forest and deer belonging to those who hunt it.... then the dragon will get angry, and hunt harder than ever before! The village will starve for trying to take what they don't earn!!!!

I wonder if the dragon is going to feel silly when the GMs tell him that the villagers never asked for the thing the dragon burned the village down over.

[Fammaden]

Based GM's. Now do blue!!!

[Naonak]

Do perma bans still exist ?

[Ivory]

I wonder if the dragon is going to feel silly when the GMs tell him that the villagers never asked for the thing the dragon burned the village down over.

GMs is the mayor of the village. They pass the laws that make all the village suffer.

Dragons just want a nice forest and everyone free to hunt what they hunt. It isn't even about the meat, just the code of dragons and law of the hunt.

Villagers can (and have) beat dragons in many hunts. And when they do, the dragon doesn't get upset. In fact the dragon is happy the villagers are strong and hunt good.

Keep the forest free and there is peace. Try to make laws stopping that and dragons stop sharing as much with the village that is trying to ruin the law of the hunt.

[Fammaden]

GMs is the mayor of the village.

Nirgon is one of the gods who created the dragon itself and the entire fucking planet it lives on.

[Sarkhan]

The village will starve for trying to take what they don't earn!!!!
Like taking all the OoA's because you get waxed every noble race?

This right here. The first thing this "dragon" did was take the "deer" it couldn't earn for the past month. Great job.

[Lostfaction]

ST agreed to a race, lost the race, then rage quit and stole all the prizes. That’s not backing out of an agreement. You can easily back out of an agreement going forward but what happened here is severely different.

[Xersius]

Seal Team has finally taken off their mask. The farce of their desire to have the "best interestof the server" has been revealed. The leadership constantly refers to things as "their loot" and "their server". They need a reality check that this is the GMs server, and the overarching will of the GMs is for players to enjoy content with friendly competition. Like any monopoly, it must be dismantled.

They STOLE content which they were unable to win, as blatant retaliation to GM rulings. If that's not spitting in the face of the server admins, I don't know what is. This is months of content, shared among multiple end game guilds - a few week raid ban is nothing more than a slap on the wrist to these folks. An example must be made. Their leadership is toxic for the server, and their mindset will deteriorate the server like a cancer.

[Bach]

Seal team basically just have shown they cannot race when it is fair, they haven't touched a noble for more than a month cause other guild can actually have time to mobilise.

Then they find an excuse to screw it all and kill noble without competing for them.

And then that 120 people zerg say they're all about the competition? What a joke.

[branamil]

Imagine actually desiring virtual elf item #78228242 on server #1623675 for a 25 year old retarded goblin simulator so badly that you lose your job and get diabetes over it

[Scalem]

ST agreed to a race, lost the race, then rage quit and stole all the prizes. That’s not backing out of an agreement. You can easily back out of an agreement going forward but what happened here is severely different.

If the GM's don't come down on this it just sets a precedent moving forward that will not be good for either server.

Seal team basically just have shown they cannot race when it is fair, they haven't touched a noble for more than a month cause other guild can actually have time to mobilise.

Then they find an excuse to screw it all and kill noble without competing for them.

And then that 120 people zerg say they're all about the competition? What a joke.

Yea they have never been about competition only the illusion of it, if they aren't punished in some way for todays event's they will just continue to do shit like this that continues to ruins things for others on the server.

[Finesteel]

Why are people calling for a GM ban on ST when ST hasn't broke any server rules? They just violated some player made agreements and declared some form of a guild war and killed some mobs? Buncha cry babies...

[LuffyP99]

Fucking pathetic. Lost all respect for ST and their members. Can’t win noble races so you Welch on an agreement and effectively steal 15 god level targets from guilds who earned them by practicing and playing by the rules. Dissolving the UN because the Gm’s come out with a new policy. Your guild already wins 75% of the content and 100% monopolizes key targets, and you still throw a fucking sissy fit when one thing doesn’t go your way? Absolutely pathetic. I hope the gm’s step up and hit your trash guild with a long suspension. I hope this is the beginning of the end of your Zerg guild. You no longer have my respect.

[Qcmagican]

Fucking pathetic. Lost all respect for ST and their members. Can’t win noble races so you Welch on an agreement and effectively steal 15 god level targets from guilds who earned them by practicing and playing by the rules. Dissolving the UN because the Gm’s come out with a new policy. Your guild already wins 75% of the content and 100% monopolizes key targets, and you still throw a fucking sissy fit when one thing doesn’t go your way? Absolutely pathetic. I hope the gm’s step up and hit your trash guild with a long suspension. I hope this is the beginning of the end of your Zerg guild. You no longer have my respect.

^

[Xersius]

Why are people calling for a GM ban on ST when ST hasn't broke any server rules? They just violated some player made agreements and declared some form of a guild war and killed some mobs? Buncha cry babies...

Something about a man's word and integrity....?

[Scalem]

Why are people calling for a GM ban on ST when ST hasn't broke any server rules? They just violated some player made agreements and declared some form of a guild war and killed some mobs? Buncha cry babies...

Yea why ever agree to something when you can just back out of it whenever it suits you and then fuck over everyone else who had agreed to it in the first place.

[Ivory]

Yea why ever agree to something when you can just back out of it whenever it suits you and then fuck over everyone else who had agreed to it in the first place.

GMs don't make such rule changes on their own.

They were petitioned by guilds who were upset that Seal Team were taking all the trakanons....

So the GMs decided to strong arm in a change that broke the single goal of keeping things as fair competition between guilds.

There is lots of politics happening behind scenes, pretending like raiding guilds are innocent in the GMs change is just bananas.

Which also means by getting the GMs to do things like that, they also break all the other agreements they have with ST.... and the forest returns to hunt what you can.

If a deer is alive, dragons will eat.

[YendorLootmonkey]

And then that 120 people zerg say they're all about the competition? What a joke.

LOL competition.... locking down Trak to make sure they have zero competition in VP so they can load up on free, uncontested pixels.

[Xersius]

GMs likely did an audit of Trakanon deaths, and realized that one guild was monopolizing content. They've said countless times monopolizing content is something that they do not stand for on THEIR PRIVATE SERVER.

[Xersius]

In my profession, when someone has cancer, you cut out the cancer and then start a chemotherapy/radiation regimen until no trace of the cancer is left.

Phatez is the primary tumor, and Seal Team leadership is the metastatic disease invading the P99 server.

Cut out the cancer, and start the chemotherapy before server death ensues.

[Scalem]

GMs don't make such rule changes on their own.

They were petitioned by guilds who were upset that Seal Team were taking all the trakanons....

So the GMs decided to strong arm in a change that broke the single goal of keeping things as fair competition between guilds.

There is lots of politics happening behind scenes, pretending like raiding guilds are innocent in the GMs change is just bananas.

Which also means by getting the GMs to do things like that, they also break all the other agreements they have with ST.... and the forest returns to hunt what you can.

If a deer is alive, dragons will eat.

GMs make whatever rule changes they want whenever they want for whatever reason they want. Who cares if the other raiding guilds are innocent or not. The fact is one guild decided they were going to throw a tantrum, delete the Green UN discord all while porting to sky to kill all the OoA/hands they couldn’t win fair and square. Completion my ass they are just upset that they can’t live in VP collecting pixels for free anymore.

[Ivory]

GMs make whatever rule changes they want whenever they want for whatever reason they want. Who cares if the other raiding guilds are innocent or not. The fact is one guild decided they were going to throw a tantrum, delete the Green UN discord all while porting to sky to kill all the OoA/hands they couldn’t win fair and square. Completion my ass they are just upset that they can’t live in VP collecting pixels for free anymore.

If the GMs want to give other guilds dragons without competition, then just have them spawn them with /spawn command and stop making weird rules that lock out random guilds just playing normally.

Have tuesday trakanons, where guilds line up and they can take turns killing it after the GM spawns it.

[hightension]

If the GMs want to give other guilds dragons without competition, then just have them spawn them with /spawn command and stop making weird rules that lock out random guilds just playing normally.

Have tuesday trakanons, where guilds line up and they can take turns killing it after the GM spawns it.

Can you explain all of this in your condescending metaphor ?

[Xersius]

https://ibb.co/0ZDX6Dw

And they're still trying to monopolize content by elf lawyering the definition of "competition".

These people are cancerous, and this is PROOF

[YendorLootmonkey]

If the GMs want to give other guilds dragons without competition, then just have them spawn them with /spawn command and stop making weird rules that lock out random guilds just playing normally.

Have tuesday trakanons, where guilds line up and they can take turns killing it after the GM spawns it.

Which day do your uncontested VP dragons line up for you to kill them?

[Sarkhan]

Which day do your uncontested VP dragons line up for you to kill them?

Sunday.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Sunday.

Cool. Wouldn't want a schedule conflict to impede ST alts gearing up in other guilds before they transfer over from getting Tuesday Trakanon loot.

[Mesocyclone]

Seek sunlight

[Ankara99]

No one guild can monopolize raid targets on a quake. Its just not possible. Perhaps a Friday quake every week between 7pm EST and 12PM EST would alleviate a lot of the pressure and mean spiritedness.

The current system favors heavily the crowd who work from home and are able to arrange their life during a pandemic.

#stopthesock
#Quakefriday

[Lostfaction]

It's sad to see open raid content taken from the server due to a grudge of individuals directly against server staff. Will see how that one will work out. Still hoping for a frost book one day!

[Bach]

If the GMs want to give other guilds dragons without competition, then just have them spawn them with /spawn command and stop making weird rules that lock out random guilds just playing normally.

Have tuesday trakanons, where guilds line up and they can take turns killing it after the GM spawns it.

Not without competition, just without seal team, you know without a hord of toxic neckbeard no lifers.

Beside it was their decision on their server, don't like? Don't play.

At no point deleting the UN, destroying noble and stealing them( cause they didnt manage to touch one in more than a month) , streaming target from open raid was warranted, the Ban hammer is going to be well deserved.

[Tunabros]

lmao

[Byue]

I disagree with your disagreeing.

also, nazi.

[Bach]

No one guild can monopolize raid targets on a quake. Its just not possible. Perhaps a Friday quake every week between 7pm EST and 12PM EST would alleviate a lot of the pressure and mean spiritedness.

The current system favors heavily the crowd who work from home and are able to arrange their life during a pandemic.

#stopthesock
#Quakefriday

There isnt mean spiritedness from any guild other than ST, just ban them all, problem solved.

[greenacct]

Grats on your raid suspension. Will be fun to see! I hope they slap the server with a C/R/FFA rotation too to double fist you from behind.

[feniin]

GMs laugh in Seal Team's general direction. Remember what happened to The Heretics on Red?

[nphixion]

[The rotation lobby has entered the chat room.] hi all, let’s have a conversation about balance.

[Tunabros]

remember when everything was jolly and happy?

[zeke6191]

ST has been crying since they lost Noble FTE Friday, and the Trakanon rule just pushed them over the edge. If you’re surprised, you have not been paying attention. Phatez, Vill and Smash are neckbeard, jobless, sociopaths that cry when they lose, and change rules to favor them more when they win. It’s like playing a pigeon in chess - you make a good move, they kick over all the pieces and strut like they've won. I never post here, but these douches need to go. I’ve seen enough and just want to enjoy the game again.

[Kieel]

What sort of mental health issues do these guys have to make them behave in such a way. A good long suspension may force them to confront their own inadequacies in the cold light of day and cause them to make the positive changes they need in their real lives. It is quite obvious that the only validation they have in life is from this game. Not healthy.

[unsunghero]

So THIS is that “end game raid scene” I’ve been hearing about on p99...

[hannahgrams]

hektor broke seal team

[Lostfaction]

Like a fine wine

[hannahgrams]

i suggest we move Seal Team to their own server called Teal as a reward for this very smart move

[Xersius]

*Mic Drop*

[Kieel]

Heard a rumor Seal Team was now awarding DKP to their members for locking down Pained Soul to deny everyone else. VP loot isnt even that good outside one or two items and easily replaced come Velious. These guys just get off on denying people 20 year old elf pixels. Sad really, its just a game pals.

[Byue]

What sort of mental health issues do these guys have to make them behave in such a way. A good long suspension may force them to confront their own inadequacies in the cold light of day and cause them to make the positive changes they need in their real lives. It is quite obvious that the only validation they have in life is from this game. Not healthy.

well, when your strike force is a zerg and you have hundreds of mouths to feed, losing a single FTE means people get upset and their fragile equilibrium breaks apart.

Their machine needs oil and the pixel is oil and without rules that favour them, they will gnaw at each others.

[Byue]

things sorted itself out.


Seal Team is raid suspended indefinitely.

Due to the recent actions of this guild's leadership, I feel you don't deserve to enjoy the raid content we provide for you.

I’ve captured a list of ST membership. Do not guild remove and attempt to join another raiding guild.

[Tethler]

We agree to nothing.

Excuse me. I'm gonna need you to restore the food posts section in the UN discord ASAP. I ate a really good lunch I need to share pictures of.

[Cawin]

Play stupid games...

People before pixels ya'll

[zaldaben]

sooo.... how did that work out

[Croco]

They did such a good job removing themselves they removed themselves from all raiding on both servers, super effective!

[TripSin]

Looks like ya'll removed yourselves from more than just the UN lmao

[Cecel__Soulhealer]

Highly stable leadership that treats other folks with great integrity. How could this have gone so wrong? Forcing his members to ignore anyone and everyone coming to Xalgoz, I'm hoping they didn't need 5 folks down there to camp Xalgoz. May explain their 110+ people at Venril Sathir, though.

Just to mention, I'm no longer in Venerate so this post isn't a reflection on them but something I've been OBSing and screen shotting my interactions with several of the folks in their leadership. I never bothered to post it as being a Venerate Officer at the time it was frowned upon to post on the forums with stuff like this. Server staff had seen the screen shot and other stuff of Seal Team leadership, at least from what I was told, but let it continued on. So whose to blame, the child that got it his way till he couldn't have it anymore or the people that let them?

[Bach]

Mendez remove seal team from all player agreements , and from the raiding scene :D

[Byue]

sooo.... how did that work out

worked out great for the server.
not so great for seal... seal what again?

[Xersius]

WTS Poopsocks. Looking like I may no longer need them with only decent folks on the raid scene now.

[feniin]

Grats Kingdom!

[Xersius]

*Grats entire server

The parasite has been expunged

[Tunabros]

Thanks Seal Team! Now everyone can FINALLy get some targets

[TripSin]

Grats to Seal Team on the Seal Team kill

[Byue]

seal who? what?

oh yeah, it used to be a guild.

[Sabin76]

Well, that aged well...

[onlyrockerfan]

Sounds like you have more time to drink those white claws and reminisce about how you used to be the most dominant raid force Everquest had ever seen.

Hopefully the suspension lasts for a long time and you guys can have a few reunions to talk about that one time you killed VS and about how Kingdom was using illegal UI’s but yet you’re still the bad guys.

[Phoku]

Menden droppin' perma raid ban on em'.

Fuck Seal Team

-Raggok <Wolfe>

[JayDee]

I am not 100% but I have a feeling they dont agree with the ban ruling either

[zodium]

proposal: form a guild with all the best everquest players for the good of the server

reality:
https://i.imgur.com/BwYuRtx.jpg

[new2everquest]

I dont want to alarm anyone but I saw several senior ST members in EC tunnel in the wee hours of the night. They are most likely making all new untagged TWINKED characters to avoid the ban.

Server beware: emperor crush is going to be permanently camped in the near future! No way I am going to be able to get my Dwarven ringmail tunic now. FML

[Babittle]

i just feel bad for the people who followed orders fueled by this wild overreaction. Get the toxic leadership out and let the majority of good ST folks resume the fun. I have a feeling if reaction time was delayed and more level headed leadership was on, this would have not played out like this. Until then, RIP all the good folks in ST that was wanting to raid.

[Cecel__Soulhealer]

i just feel bad for the people who followed orders fueled by this wild overreaction. Get the toxic leadership out and let the majority of good ST folks resume the fun. I have a feeling if reaction time was delayed and more level headed leadership was on, this would have not played out like this. Until then, RIP all the good folks in ST that was wanting to raid.

I've always said Seal Team had the most bat shit crazy leadership, but overall the best core members. Their leadership is a Silver 3 Jungler in a Silver 4 game thinking they're Diamond.

Their guild members though, I have a huge preference in grouping with them then over most folks. It's crazy how much control a guild can have when you level bots for members to do a kill and log off instantly onto another bot to do another kill. Curious to me on the person I saw /quit out of our group yesterday to log on for a VS kill while the other two had to camp out. Almost like the IP exemption is used so an instant /quit can be used to instantly log onto another account without technically two boxing. VPN would serve the same purpose, though.

[HalflingSpergand]

Shittiest guild in norrath

[Kieel]

The Dark Men of Odus members who were present assisting Seal Team need to also be included in this ban.

[zodium]

[p99 forums, feb 2021]
green players: *chanting* purge, purge-

blue players, red players: purge, PURGE

me: *pounding my clipboard* PURGE! PURGE! PURGE!

[Phaezed-Reality]

The Dark Men of Odus members who were present assisting Seal Team need to also be included in this ban.

We take your statement seriously. and in will no way affect how we treat you and your guild in the future. We promise. No toxicity will come to you or your respective guilds in the future.

I promise.

[Bach]

The Dark Men of Odus members who were present assisting Seal Team need to also be included in this ban.

Dmo is basically a ST guild, they always raid together and were there for the infractions.

If you see them on any raid content, report them.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Dmo is basically a ST guild, they always raid together and were there for the infractions.

If you see them on any raid content, report them.

Why would i raid on a sever that has gone full AOC, if i wanted to rotate dragons i'd go to TLP. I came here specifically to play p99 because it was classic. I'm trying to play a game where the biggest winners are the people who put the most effort into the game. Not the biggest whiners.

Not some 2020 rehashed old content designed to make money offer exp potions and give everyone an instance of trak.

[zodium]

it's cool p99 has a gimmick guild whose gimmick is being as close to explicitly racist as possible without actually saying the quiet part out loud.

[Kieel]

We take your statement seriously. and in will no way affect how we treat you and your guild in the future. We promise. No toxicity will come to you or your respective guilds in the future.

I promise.

A thinly veiled threat to grief on a 20 year old elf simulator. Totally cool and normal. You should consider engaging in carnal relations with your wife's boyfriend, it may loosen you up a bit and make you more fun at parties.

[Daaz47]

it's cool p99 has a gimmick guild whose gimmick is being as close to explicitly racist as possible without actually saying the quiet part out loud.

DANIEL

[sajbert]

Dmo is basically a ST guild, they always raid together and were there for the infractions.

If you see them on any raid content, report them.

Were they there for the noble theft? If not, stop asking for everyone and their grandmother to be banned because you don't want competition for your pixels.

[Clumpoid]

it's cool p99 has a gimmick guild whose gimmick is being as close to explicitly racist as possible without actually saying the quiet part out loud.

Incels too

[YendorLootmonkey]

Why would i raid on a sever that has gone full AOC, if i wanted to rotate dragons i'd go to TLP. I came here specifically to play p99 because it was classic. I'm trying to play a game where the biggest winners are the people who put the most effort into the game. Not the biggest whiners.

Not some 2020 rehashed old content designed to make money offer exp potions and give everyone an instance of trak.

Then why would you start on Green anyway when the true competition server is Red?

[derpcake2]

Everyone involved should be banned.

Can't imagine staff checking which ex-ST players are raiding in the future.

The people involved have already wasted enough GM time.

[Relbaic]

Hey Phatez, make sure to add this to your server first discord forum.

[Sarkhan]

Can we just all agree it's good this happened in kunark and not velious? ST 100% would be the guild to wake sleeper to spite the server.

[Scalem]

Can we just all agree it's good this happened in kunark and not velious? ST 100% would be the guild to wake sleeper to spite the server.

Unless the GMs make it a rule, ST or some other guild will eventually wake sleeper.

[quido]

Median dick size in this thread: 2 inches

[billcrystals]

I just heard the news like some street urchin in a Charles Dickens novel. Some old coot calling out his 2nd story window: "SEAL TEAM IS DEAD! LONG LIVE P99!"

Honestly never thought I'd see the day, it makes me feel so much more confident about the GMs and the health of the server. Definitely going to log back in now that the raid scene has had its most toxic element excised.

[Sarkhan]

Unless the GMs make it a rule, ST or some other guild will eventually wake sleeper.

The Al'Kabor server let the sleeper sleep for many, many years. Even til 2007 it was still sleeping. It just takes guilds to not be controlled by asshats that are greedy that want to block all content from others from enjoying it...

[quido]

I thought this was the competitive server. TLP is ---> that way.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I thought this was the competitive server. TLP is ---> that way.

Red is the competitive server. Blue and Green are the elf litigation servers.

[baub]

The Al'Kabor server let the sleeper sleep for many, many years. Even til 2007 it was still sleeping. It just takes guilds to not be controlled by asshats that are greedy that want to block all content from others from enjoying it...

Sir waking the sleeper is the ULTIMATE content and the death threats from the Al'Kabor playerbase were uncalled for

[Phoku]

https://i.imgur.com/WGdbbvS.png

[Mirana]

i just feel bad for the people who followed orders fueled by this wild overreaction. Get the toxic leadership out and let the majority of good ST folks resume the fun. I have a feeling if reaction time was delayed and more level headed leadership was on, this would have not played out like this. Until then, RIP all the good folks in ST that was wanting to raid.

When you join ST, you enable, and by extension endorse, the behavior of the leadership. You are the one driving the getaway car. The only reason the guild exists is because of the members. I have 0 sympathy.

[rewinder47]

Why would i raid on a sever that has gone full AOC, if i wanted to rotate dragons i'd go to TLP. I came here specifically to play p99 because it was classic. I'm trying to play a game where the biggest winners are the people who put the most effort into the game. Not the biggest whiners.

Not some 2020 rehashed old content designed to make money offer exp potions and give everyone an instance of trak.

https://i.imgur.com/31hlllW.jpeg

[Byue]

When you join ST, you enable, and by extension endorse, the behavior of the leadership. You are the one driving the getaway car. The only reason the guild exists is because of the members. I have 0 sympathy.

this is true.
the toxicity is known but the pixel lust is real and the hope of getting scraps from such a tacit agreement is what drive members to join.

[hannahgrams]

tough day for <Ally McBeal Team>

loses court case
attacks judge
arrested by bailiff
sentenced to jail time

--

the biggest welfare pixel of all is your ability to play a game that doesn't exist anymore by the [mostly] benevolent overlords, you stupid leopard geckos

'lil tykes' timeout time!!!!

[sajbert]

tough day for <Ally McBeal Team>

loses court case
attacks judge
arrested by bailiff
sentenced to jail time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vN_PEmeKb0

[Imago]

Red is the competitive server. Blue and Green are the elf litigation servers.

This is true - ST is specifically only banned on Blue/Green, not Red.

Would love to see them all start up there. Could bring some vets out of the woods to feed on the fresh blood

[orcorogue]

Smash|Flogging|Brave|Star|StabToday at 2:29 AM
@everyone We are currently raid suspended. Until further notice you are to stay out of raid zones and avoid raid encounters including Plane of Hate, Plane of Fear, Plane of Sky, VS, Naggy, Vox, and Trak. Take this time to level your characters, work on VP keys, and camp other items you've had your eye on. Part of the GM announcement said not to leave Seal Team, or try to raid with other guilds.

We will continue to respect server rules, and this GM ruling. It is a disappointing bump in the road, just like the ruling that led to our response. As leadership, we have spent endless hours fighting and negotiating to preserve competition on P99 Green and to prevent the server from becoming akin to an instanced TLP server. Today's decisions are a disappointing setback in that effort, however, I have faith that in the end we'll be able to enjoy the classic and competitive environment we all desired when we started on this server.

We all have put in so much effort, time, work, and white claws to become the most dominant raid force Everquest has ever seen. So much so that items were nerfed, list camps were added, policies were changed, and targets limited in an effort to slow us down. Even a 3 guild raid force that doubled our numbers couldn't put a dent in our success. Today's GM decisions, in the end, will not either. We will be talking with the GMs and doing everything to resolve the situation. Have faith, and be proud of your accomplishments. We'll see you in the field of battle really soon!

[orcorogue]

Smash|Flogging|Brave|Star|StabToday at 2:29 AM
@everyone We are currently raid suspended. Until further notice you are to stay out of raid zones and avoid raid encounters including Plane of Hate, Plane of Fear, Plane of Sky, VS, Naggy, Vox, and Trak. Take this time to level your characters, work on VP keys, and camp other items you've had your eye on. Part of the GM announcement said not to leave Seal Team, or try to raid with other guilds.

We will continue to respect server rules, and this GM ruling. It is a disappointing bump in the road, just like the ruling that led to our response. As leadership, we have spent endless hours fighting and negotiating to preserve competition on P99 Green and to prevent the server from becoming akin to an instanced TLP server. Today's decisions are a disappointing setback in that effort, however, I have faith that in the end we'll be able to enjoy the classic and competitive environment we all desired when we started on this server.

We all have put in so much effort, time, work, and white claws to become the most dominant raid force Everquest has ever seen. So much so that items were nerfed, list camps were added, policies were changed, and targets limited in an effort to slow us down. Even a 3 guild raid force that doubled our numbers couldn't put a dent in our success. Today's GM decisions, in the end, will not either. We will be talking with the GMs and doing everything to resolve the situation. Have faith, and be proud of your accomplishments. We'll see you in the field of battle really soon!

[kaev]

When you join ST, you enable, and by extension endorse, the behavior of the leadership. You are the one driving the getaway car. The only reason the guild exists is because of the members. I have 0 sympathy.

^this^

You actively deserve your punishment, you made your bed now lie in it.. It's a damned shame you and most of your fellows are too wound up in being entitled crybabies to learn a desperately needed life lesson from this.

[Dicanomip99]

Posted this elsewhere but relevant here as well:

No sympathy for ST. They made their bed. This is a server for EVERYONE, and not just the typical ST neckbeard. They have plenty of good people in their ranks, but "just following orders" is never an excuse (see WWII).

As to the ST sympathizers in here, this was agreed upon last night between the non-ST raiding guilds before the new UN Discord was even created (this morning). The idea that Kingdom or Venerate or whoever is just going to mirror ST's behavior and approach to the raiding scene is laughable.

"Delrake -Today at 10:04 AM-
@everyone In an effort to fix the wrongs created by Seal Team's response to a GM ruling yesterday:

1. The other competitive guilds agreed the next Vox (quake / No quake) will be an open raid to all Green Players who were not involved in the Vox's Slaying on 2/6/2021

2. We will restart Noble Rotation that was agreed on in the Green UN , first three 3-day Noble spawns will reward to non-competitive guilds that had their OoA stolen - CI, FoH and GM. The following nobles will split with Kingdom, Venerate and Black Lotus since their noble rotations will removed prematurely by Seal Team.

In the end, we wish to reflect the behavior that the GM expect from the Green Raid Community and to quote Blistiq to follow the "rule of cool" in our actions."

[uygi]

Some things age well:

[Irespectwomen]

I just heard the news like some street urchin in a Charles Dickens novel. Some old coot calling out his 2nd story window: "SEAL TEAM IS DEAD! LONG LIVE P99!"

Honestly never thought I'd see the day, it makes me feel so much more confident about the GMs and the health of the server. Definitely going to log back in now that the raid scene has had its most toxic element excised.

It will probably be worse once the other guilds start competing for FTE's, they had a common foe but now you have 3 guilds all relatively similar in size and organization capabilities. Should be interesting.

[Arvan]

consider red?

[Dicanomip99]

It will probably be worse once the other guilds start competing for FTE's, they had a common foe but now you have 3 guilds all relatively similar in size and organization capabilities. Should be interesting.

You mean the 3 guilds who have been close allies for the past year? Naw, they're going to get along just fine.

Worse than when ST's toxicity ruled the raid scene? Doubt it. No one wants to stare at a screen during a 16 hour window (except for ST). Things will be worked out amicably.

[Irespectwomen]

You mean the 3 guilds who have been close allies for the past year? Naw, they're going to get along just fine.

Worse than when ST's toxicity ruled the raid scene? Doubt it. No one wants to stare at a screen during a 16 hour window (except for ST). Things will be worked out amicably.

LOL

[Albanwr]

LOL

which ST member are you?

[zaldaben]

I have to say this thread as backfired in a spectacular fashion.

[quido]

I would like to point out that the server staff create the conditions and the rules under which we all operate.

[TripSin]

You mean the 3 guilds who have been close allies for the past year? Naw, they're going to get along just fine.

Worse than when ST's toxicity ruled the raid scene? Doubt it. No one wants to stare at a screen during a 16 hour window (except for ST). Things will be worked out amicably.

I mean, Kingdom was pretty toxic themselves iirc in a similar way to ST when they were on Teal and didn't have to compete with ST so it wouldn't surprise me. But hopefully this will still be a change for the better. It's hard for me to imagine this isn't just going to be a net positive change for the Green server, at least for the people who want to have a more cooperative community that tries to share the experience of the game instead of letting a few no-lifers monopolize it.

[nphixion]

I mean, Kingdom was pretty toxic themselves iirc in a similar way to ST when they were on Teal and didn't have to compete with ST so it wouldn't surprise me. But hopefully this will still be a change for the better.

Kingdom’s toxic leadership was ingested by fake-competitive ST. Kingdom Leadership now is mad cool.

[Dicanomip99]

Kingdom’s toxic leadership was ingested by fake-competitive ST. Kingdom Leadership now is mad cool.

This 100%.

"I mean, Kingdom was pretty toxic themselves iirc in a similar way to ST when they were on Teal..."

You are cherry picking back to almost a year ago. All of the toxic leadership long left Kingdom and joined ST. Birds of a feather, can't beat em join em, etc etc.

[TripSin]

Yeah, I haven't been playing much at all for many months now, just recalling what I remember from yesteryear. I'm glad to hear things have changed positively :)

[uygi]

I think people talking about toxic Kingdom leadership may be thinking of Sodak, who tried to take over Kingdom in a failed coup, then tried to take a group to defect to ST, but ST rejected him. So I'm told.

[xmaerx]

lol

[JDFriend99]

Why is it so hard to perma ban a group of people? If there's a click that did shit perma ban them.

In the past people have been perma banned for far less drama caused on the server and to community.

Just perma ban the associated toons account and call it a day. If they feel like retooling I mean rerollin then they can start over. If they do it again ban again. Eventually they get tired of trying.

I'm sure 20 days from now we shall see many ST players on in diff tag doing same crap. Just catch the person and ban the person. Pixels go poof and feeling of power goes fizzle.

One time I ran a guild ranked 9 game wide and removed 38 players from my 190 members count. Lost another 30 or so because they didn't agree with me.

In the end the guild was healthier. I'd expect staff to do th same to secure their efforts for a nice server otherwise why run it.

[xmaerx]

Beyond just laughing at Seal Team trying to bring down the little shreds of civilization on this server like a Final Fantasy villain formed from semen-infused tissue-papier-mâché, there is something worth mention:

Having been in "Seal Team" in other games, and having run "Seal Team" in other games, there is a certain atmosphere that permeates guilds like this. Statistically, it isn't even a mean mindset, it's just.. a meme mindset. People like and gravitate to that goofy fucking toxic ego-fest, crystallizing into a bunch of piss-flavored snowflakes around nucleation points failed-to-defuse by the guild's leadership. Every little thing that is said and done without recompense contributes to it, whether it's calling camps you're not at, casually swiping mobs from other peoples', or just generally showing disregard for the well-being of others.

Suddenly, your entire guild identity is that of an unwashed locker room, and everyone NOT inside is on the other team and worthless. Certain individuals will absolutely do dumb shit, get booted, and become examples. Unfortunately, those examples *aren't* for the people in the guild to witness and be better than. They're for people *outside* the guild to bear witness. They're purely scapegoats, intentionally or otherwise, shoved out to slaughter by the leadership who either thinks, or is pretending that they have control of the guild.

Unfortunately, it's not about those individuals. The guild itself is radioactive, having existed for far too long as a repository for the depleted uranium ammunition that is their bloated, un-preened roster. You can ban individuals and punish individuals all you want, but until the numerous, decent people in that guild decide to form something new, this is going to happen over and over again. Their refusal to do so means they're either not that decent, or they're not that numerous.

Keep the raid ban on the guild and its leadership until EQNext is released. Lift the raid ban on the players before epics come out. Give them a chance to reorganize and do better. Otherwise.. they're just going to wait out the storm, crack open a cold one with the boys and get back to soaking the rest of the server in ball-sweat.

[kage]

edited 5 more times to add big words

[Lostfaction]

ST members were told to follow orders and followed them into a raid ban, and yet I am sure they will come out of this continuing to follow those same toxic individuals because pixels.
It's surprising the number trying to defend the actions despite their leadership being completely shut down by server staff.
All actions here were unprecedented through a 10 year experiment with blue server and it will be interesting to see if any positive change in attitude comes from this.

[xmaerx]

edited 5 more times to add big words

Yes.

I proof read in chunks. This ain't The Times.

[Tunabros]

Why is it so hard to perma ban a group of people? If there's a click that did shit perma ban them.

In the past people have been perma banned for far less drama caused on the server and to community.

Just perma ban the associated toons account and call it a day. If they feel like retooling I mean rerollin then they can start over. If they do it again ban again. Eventually they get tired of trying.

I'm sure 20 days from now we shall see many ST players on in diff tag doing same crap. Just catch the person and ban the person. Pixels go poof and feeling of power goes fizzle.

One time I ran a guild ranked 9 game wide and removed 38 players from my 190 members count. Lost another 30 or so because they didn't agree with me.

In the end the guild was healthier. I'd expect staff to do th same to secure their efforts for a nice server otherwise why run it.

not everyone in ST is a loser neckbeard

just because their leadership is trolling doesnt mean we should put the blame upon

everyone in there

[xmaerx]

not everyone in ST is a loser neckbeard

just because their leadership is trolling doesnt mean we should put the blame upon

everyone in there

People know what is or isn't against the rules, at the scale of these events. If my guild said "We're going to COMMIT DOMESTIC TERRORISM BECAUSE WE'RE UPSET", I'd leave long before that took place. They had every opportunity to not be a part of this tomfuckery. Complicit, or cowardly. Either way, see you next Tuesday.

[Larken]

Outsider from Red99 looking in.

When I read all these blue/green disputes I always sigh to myself and wonder: "When will people realize that pvp is the answer to end game disputes". At the very least, make raid zones PVP enabled. Sure, it's not perfect, pvp comes with its own set of potential disputes, but they are far less than the embarassing lawyer questing BS grown men have to put up with. But I guess these are the times of the 21st century, where men have been feminized and made impotent.

[xmaerx]

Outsider from Red99 looking in.

When I read all these blue/green disputes I always sigh to myself and wonder: "When will people realize that pvp is the answer to end game disputes". At the very least, make raid zones PVP enabled. Sure, it's not perfect, pvp comes with its own set of potential disputes, but they are far less than the embarassing lawyer questing BS grown men have to put up with. But I guess these are the times of the 21st century, where men have been feminized and made impotent.

You think Seal Team's instant-cast 200 man Trakanon Raid Force would *lose* in PVP to a first-of-the-month open raid force who are forming up for a, previously, agreed upon Vox? Or somehow prevent them from deleting a discord? laugh emoji

Sure, there would be no disputes. Because there would be no players. See: P99 Red

[Castle2.0]

Just popped in from a long hiatus in the real world to briefly chuckle at ST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY


Ok, back to RL.

[sajbert]

People know what is or isn't against the rules, at the scale of these events. If my guild said "We're going to COMMIT DOMESTIC TERRORISM BECAUSE WE'RE UPSET", I'd leave long before that took place. They had every opportunity to not be a part of this tomfuckery. Complicit, or cowardly. Either way, see you next Tuesday.

I doubt the people who weren’t online had any chance to react.

[xmaerx]

I doubt the people who weren’t online had any chance to react.

While I'd cut them some slack, they signed up for this. Everyone in that guild knows they're on the edge of some dumb shit, every damned day. Preventing it is an active effort on the part of a SELECT FEW, whom probably don't deserve a ban. But these are the trials we face, I suppose.

[Imago]

You think Seal Team's instant-cast 200 man Trakanon Raid Force would *lose* in PVP to a first-of-the-month open raid force who are forming up for a, previously, agreed upon Vox?


Red has certain rules that prevent things like Trak-teething insta cast, etc that would make pvp viable in that setting. Could ST show up with 60 level 60 SKs to HT the mob? Sure - good luck getting there, and that's where the real fight is. Bring a fuck ton of fresh 60 SKs thru Seb on Red to HT trak down - I dare you. See what happens.

Please. Imagine months of that.

[Xer0]

I don't think I've ever seen so many virgins in my life lol. Both sides of this are absurd. You people need substance in your lives.

Red has certain rules that prevent things like Trak-teething insta cast, etc that would make pvp viable in that setting. Could ST show up with 60 level 60 SKs to HT the mob? Sure - good luck getting there, and that's where the real fight is. Bring a fuck ton of fresh 60 SKs thru Seb on Red to HT trak down - I dare you. See what happens.

Please. Imagine months of that.

Also, that's funny you'd use that particular analogy. You'd have to have to double the population of red and have everyone roll an sk-- at that point, who is competing and for what?


Outsider from Red99 looking in.

When I read all these blue/green disputes I always sigh to myself and wonder: "When will people realize that pvp is the answer to end game disputes". At the very least, make raid zones PVP enabled. Sure, it's not perfect, pvp comes with its own set of potential disputes, but they are far less than the embarassing lawyer questing BS grown men have to put up with. But I guess these are the times of the 21st century, where men have been feminized and made impotent.


are you trying to imply you're more of a man becuase you play red? I'll refer you to my early statement about the abundance of virginity in this thread.

[Imago]

Also, that's funny you'd use that particular analogy. You'd have to have to double the population of red and have everyone roll an sk-- at that point, who is competing and for what?

I don't think you'd understand what would happen if the Red Vets heard that a fresh Green guild was leveling up to take over the raid scene.

[feniin]

Hopefully try to keep them around so they have people to play with. I know it's hard to be an adult in a children's game.

[Xer0]

I don't think you'd understand what would happen if the Red Vets heard that a fresh Green guild was leveling up to take over the raid scene.

I think you overestimate anyone's, even the vets, interest in playign on red lol.

EQ and mmo's in general? They're boring without other people. and that's all red is. an empty server.

[xmaerx]

Red has certain rules that prevent things like Trak-teething insta cast, etc that would make pvp viable in that setting. Could ST show up with 60 level 60 SKs to HT the mob? Sure - good luck getting there, and that's where the real fight is. Bring a fuck ton of fresh 60 SKs thru Seb on Red to HT trak down - I dare you. See what happens.

Please. Imagine months of that.

You're either underestimating Seal Team's ability to poopsock and batphone, or you're overestimating every other guild on Green.

[Larken]

are you trying to imply you're more of a man becuase you play red? I'll refer you to my early statement about the abundance of virginity in this thread.

Yes, I guess that's what I'm implying. Why?
Because it's in the nature of men to solve issues with force, women queue up like little bitches asking their overlords what they can and cannot do.
Men have something called testosterone pumping in their bodies and men do not like when other men try to take over their territory. Keep drinking your soy latte.

[xmaerx]

Yes, I guess that's what I'm implying. Why?
Because it's in the nature of men to solve issues with force, women queue up like little bitches asking their overlords what they can and cannot do.
Men have something called testosterone pumping in their bodies and men do not like when other men try to take over their territory. Keep drinking your soy latte.

You're lonely, aren't you?

[Larken]

You're lonely, aren't you?

Ehm, no? I don't follow your logic. What does loneliness have to do with liking different ruleset for EQ?

[xmaerx]

Yes, I guess that's what I'm implying. Why?
Because it's in the nature of men to solve issues with force, women queue up like little bitches asking their overlords what they can and cannot do.
Men have something called testosterone pumping in their bodies and men do not like when other men try to take over their territory. Keep drinking your soy latte.

So at what point did you discover testosterone? Was it before or after you chose to play on the ghost town server instead of the soy server?

[Larken]

So at what point did you discover testosterone? Was it before or after you chose to play on the ghost town server instead of the soy server?

That's a good point, but I can honestly say that I was of the misconception when I started on Project1999 that you needed 1000s of players to have fun. As you can see that post is from 6 years back.

I'm not denying that 90 people on red at peak hour is a low amount of players (200+ is enough) but I'd rather play with that amount of people anyway, so there is your answer, right? I chose Red99 over Soy99 where you're at DESPITE the numbers. Should tell you something.

I mean just look at the ongoing clusterfk of lawyer questing you guys run into regularly. How fun is that, not to mention queing up for pixels. Insanely retarded when there's a fast track option of duking it out. That's what the aqusition of gear is meant to be for, not gay fashion questing.

[Larken]

So at what point did you discover testosterone? Was it before or after you chose to play on the ghost town server instead of the soy server?

By the way, I'm flattered that you'd take the time to go through all my post history to try to dig up some 6 year old post. And you're asking if other people are lonely, lol... The jokes on you buddy.

[xmaerx]

That's a good point, but I can honestly say that I was of the misconception when I started on Project1999 that you needed 1000s of players to have fun. As you can see that post is from 6 years back.

I'm not denying that 90 people on red at peak hour is a low amount of players (200+ is enough) but I'd rather play with that amount of people anyway, so there is your answer, right? I chose Red99 over Soy99 where you're at DESPITE the numbers. Should tell you something.

I mean just look at the ongoing clusterfk of lawyer questing you guys run into regularly. How fun is that, not to mention queing up for pixels. Insanely retarded when there's a fast track option of duking it out. That's what the aqusition of gear is meant to be for, not gay fashion questing.

I don't give a shit how you get your kicks, kiddo. I'm calling you out on your "soyboy" commentary, because you seemed creamy in the pants to dive into the soyboy life more recently than I cleared out my spice cabinet.

Did red turn you into an incel poptart or were you just going through changes in your life?

EDIT: It took two seconds to use the forum to find one of your four posts. You're not worth the effort, but it took zero. Thanks though. Go eat your testosteroni with squeeze cheese and get the fuck to bed.

[Larken]

I don't give a shit how you get your kicks, kiddo. I'm calling you out on your "soyboy" commentary, because you seemed creamy in the pants to dive into the soyboy life more recently than I cleared out my spice cabinet.

Did red turn you into an incel poptart or were you just going through changes in your life?

EDIT: It took two seconds to use the forum to find one of your four posts. You're not worth the effort, but it took zero. Thanks though.

English please?

[Clumpoid]

English please?

It's over anakin

[OuterChimp]

This shit never happened on Teal.

#TealUN4life

[Eldini]

Beyond just laughing at Seal Team trying to bring down the little shreds of civilization on this server like a Final Fantasy villain formed from semen-infused tissue-papier-mâché, there is something worth mention:

Having been in "Seal Team" in other games, and having run "Seal Team" in other games, there is a certain atmosphere that permeates guilds like this. Statistically, it isn't even a mean mindset, it's just.. a meme mindset. People like and gravitate to that goofy fucking toxic ego-fest, crystallizing into a bunch of piss-flavored snowflakes around nucleation points failed-to-defuse by the guild's leadership. Every little thing that is said and done without recompense contributes to it, whether it's calling camps you're not at, casually swiping mobs from other peoples', or just generally showing disregard for the well-being of others.

Suddenly, your entire guild identity is that of an unwashed locker room, and everyone NOT inside is on the other team and worthless. Certain individuals will absolutely do dumb shit, get booted, and become examples. Unfortunately, those examples *aren't* for the people in the guild to witness and be better than. They're for people *outside* the guild to bear witness. They're purely scapegoats, intentionally or otherwise, shoved out to slaughter by the leadership who either thinks, or is pretending that they have control of the guild.

Unfortunately, it's not about those individuals. The guild itself is radioactive, having existed for far too long as a repository for the depleted uranium ammunition that is their bloated, un-preened roster. You can ban individuals and punish individuals all you want, but until the numerous, decent people in that guild decide to form something new, this is going to happen over and over again. Their refusal to do so means they're either not that decent, or they're not that numerous.

Keep the raid ban on the guild and its leadership until EQNext is released. Lift the raid ban on the players before epics come out. Give them a chance to reorganize and do better. Otherwise.. they're just going to wait out the storm, crack open a cold one with the boys and get back to soaking the rest of the server in ball-sweat.

bro eq next was cancelled years ago, are you living under a rock? also rip st hi guys

[Immok]

bro eq next was cancelled years ago, are you living under a rock? also rip st hi guys

That may have been the point

[BlackBellamy]

If I joined a guild and was promised a raid scene and then that guild did some awful crap that got the whole guild banned from raiding for an indefinite period and I was then trapped in that guild, banned by the GMs from leaving that guild and joining another guild, I would demand the guild disband immediately.

Since I can't leave the guild and I can't raid due to the actions of management, then management needs to dissolve the guild. I'm banned from leaving the guild as long as it exists. But if it no longer exists, I can then join another raid guild and go on with my life.

[Mesocyclone]

nobody cares you fucking baby

[Eldini]

That may have been the point

i like it then, good post.

[OuterChimp]

If I joined a guild and was promised a raid scene and then that guild did some awful crap that got the whole guild banned from raiding for an indefinite period and I was then trapped in that guild, banned by the GMs from leaving that guild and joining another guild, I would demand the guild disband immediately.

Since I can't leave the guild and I can't raid due to the actions of management, then management needs to dissolve the guild. I'm banned from leaving the guild as long as it exists. But if it no longer exists, I can then join another raid guild and go on with my life.

BB, you can join my guild on Teal. We are poopsocking the Ancient Crocodile in Guk.

[azxten]

LOL

[Blue4242]

Yes, I guess that's what I'm implying. Why?
Because it's in the nature of men to solve issues with force, women queue up like little bitches asking their overlords what they can and cannot do.
Men have something called testosterone pumping in their bodies and men do not like when other men try to take over their territory. Keep drinking your soy latte.

You don't know a lot about biology, do you?

[Mirana]

2 servers. One with no raiding rules and one with forced rotations. Server 1 can have 200 sweaty gamers competing against no one, and the employed people on server 2 can experience dragon tourism.

[messiah_b]

Edit: Not repeating that garbage.

Not getting involved. Just reporting the content.

[Swish]

I'm surprised the thread title hasn't been changed to something like "Disbanded guild gets no pixels from this point forward" :o

[Larken]

Wow you are quite a peach. Bio-truther hate speech...very nice.

Wow, so now it turned into hate speech? Sure, I wasn't sugar coating my words and making fun of some people, but damn brother, calling things you don't like hate speech? Lay off the MSM.

[messiah_b]

Edit: Not repeating that garbage.

Not getting involved. Just reporting the content.

[Local]

Wow, so now it turned into hate speech? Sure, I wasn't sugar coating my words and making fun of some people, but damn brother, calling things you don't like hate speech? Lay off the MSM.

I mean, you're using as a gender as an insult and characterizing an entire gender as helpless and subservient. I'm sorry evolved society has left you behind. We won't be coming back for you.

[bomaroast]

I mean, you're using as a gender as an insult and characterizing an entire gender as helpless and subservient. I'm sorry evolved society has left you behind. We won't be coming back for you.

Just wait for the knee-jerk rebound from this late style of antagonistic leftism. It's going to make trumpism look tame.

[Alexdoubz]

This is true - ST is specifically only banned on Blue/Green, not Red.

Would love to see them all start up there. Could bring some vets out of the woods to feed on the fresh blood

How many years is it going to take for you people to realize no one gives a shit about your dead server? A revival was never going to happen. Move on with your life.

[Local]

Just wait for the knee-jerk rebound from this late style of antagonistic leftism. It's going to make trumpism look tame.

Ah yes. Using gender as an insult and saying things like "women queue up like little bitches asking their overlords what they can and cannot do" is certainly not where the antagonism resides. Very defensible assertion. Keep fighting the good fight.

[uygi]

This was probably a year ago...

[nphixion]

Confirmed that non-ST are competing with ST at 3AM CST for *checks notes* a rotting skeleton camp. The drag-and-dribble of "we want to compete" must be understood as "we never want to compete, ever"

[uygi]

But, being able to schedule a raid for off-days in primetime for 6 dragons is the pinnacle of progression and competition...

[wicco]

I thought in my 30s I'd be one of the younger players of this ancient game. Most people playing live were in their 20s when I was 12. How does this old game have an edgy teen guild? They can't have been alive long enough to have nostalgia for this.

[Shanebear]

Would someone mind telling me the whole story here? I'm only getting bits and pieces from reading posts. I guess I'm out of the loop

[Nocht]

Would someone mind telling me the whole story here? I'm only getting bits and pieces from reading posts. I guess I'm out of the loop

Nerds can't share pixels on a ancient video game.

[Bardp1999]

Would someone mind telling me the whole story here? I'm only getting bits and pieces from reading posts. I guess I'm out of the loop

the TLDR is that the staff doesn't want Seal Team monopolizing VP so they are giving other guilds a chance at Trak teeth (every 4th Trakanon ST cant kill it). This was triggered because ST has killed literally every single Trakanon on Green since he started spawning. ST leadership had a meltdown that they could not kill every single Trakanon so they had a momentary lapse in judgment and deleted the UN discord and canceled all player-made agreements... So now the entire guild is banned from raiding for an indefinite amount of time because the GMs see these actions as childish (they are) - I would guess somewhere between 1 week and 4 weeks depending on how salty the GMs are at Phatez/Smash/Vill. Plus it seems they care less about Green than Blue, so they may try to crucify ST to set an example.

Repercussions include ST losing all their scheduled raid times in Sky/Hate/Fear (they will get more, but they won't be the same ones), and a harsh lesson that they play on the server, they don't run it.

I for one support Seal Team and hope my overly immersed brothers can handle not raiding for a bit. For all that we joke, there are people who seriously live and breathe P99 and I genuinely care for my fellow nerd's mental health

[strongNpretty]

Smackin cheeks and beatin geeks!

[TripSin]

Would someone mind telling me the whole story here? I'm only getting bits and pieces from reading posts. I guess I'm out of the loop

Staff put in a rule saying if you kill 3 Trakanon's in a row, you need to sit out one so that other people can also experience that content. Seal Team, the toxic nolifers who probably never properly learned basic social skills like sharing and being friendly and were monopolizing the raid content and had been killing every single one, consequently threw a puerile tantrum, violated the rules, left and then violated player-made agreements regarding content sharing (without giving any proper notice), basically said "fuck the rest of you, we'll do whatever we want" to the Green server, and went taking other content they weren't supposed to like Vox during what was supposed to be an open raid for every high enough level character on the server who wanted to join. They've now been suspended from raiding.

[Shanebear]

the TLDR is that the staff doesn't want Seal Team monopolizing VP so they are giving other guilds a chance at Trak teeth (every 4th Trakanon ST cant kill it). This was triggered because ST has killed literally every single Trakanon on Green since he started spawning. ST leadership had a meltdown that they could not kill every single Trakanon so they had a momentary lapse in judgment and deleted the UN discord and canceled all player-made agreements... So now the entire guild is banned from raiding for an indefinite amount of time because the GMs see these actions as childish (they are) - I would guess somewhere between 1 week and 4 weeks depending on how salty the GMs are at Phatez/Smash/Vill. Plus it seems they care less about Green than Blue, so they may try to crucify ST to set an example.

Repercussions include ST losing all their scheduled raid times in Sky/Hate/Fear (they will get more, but they won't be the same ones), and a harsh lesson that they play on the server, they don't run it.

I for one support Seal Team and hope my overly immersed brothers can handle not raiding for a bit. For all that we joke, there are people who seriously live and breathe P99 and I genuinely care for my fellow nerd's mental health

Lol. Thanks for the explanation. "Arrogant, Entitled Toddler Gets a Pants-Down Spanking at the Grocery Store: The Movie" sounds about right.

[Nexii]

Confirmed that non-ST are competing with ST at 3AM CST for *checks notes* a rotting skeleton camp. The drag-and-dribble of "we want to compete" must be understood as "we never want to compete, ever"

I mean if I were in ST I'd be farming my keys. Gotta plan ahead for when the guild gets nuked by the GMs.

[Benanov]

the TLDR is that the staff doesn't want Seal Team monopolizing VP so they are giving other guilds a chance at Trak teeth (every 4th Trakanon ST cant kill it). This was triggered because ST has killed literally every single Trakanon on Green since he started spawning. ST leadership had a meltdown that they could not kill every single Trakanon so they had a momentary lapse in judgment and deleted the UN discord and canceled all player-made agreements... So now the entire guild is banned from raiding for an indefinite amount of time because the GMs see these actions as childish (they are) - I would guess somewhere between 1 week and 4 weeks depending on how salty the GMs are at Phatez/Smash/Vill. Plus it seems they care less about Green than Blue, so they may try to crucify ST to set an example.

Repercussions include ST losing all their scheduled raid times in Sky/Hate/Fear (they will get more, but they won't be the same ones), and a harsh lesson that they play on the server, they don't run it.

I for one support Seal Team and hope my overly immersed brothers can handle not raiding for a bit. For all that we joke, there are people who seriously live and breathe P99 and I genuinely care for my fellow nerd's mental health

That's not even half the story. But it's the forums, and you won't find the other half here. I'm sure as hell not going to tell you.

[jijii]

are you trying to imply you're more of a man becuase you play red? I'll refer you to my early statement about the abundance of virginity in this thread.

Yes, I guess that's what I'm implying. Why?
Because it's in the nature of men to solve issues with force, women queue up like little bitches asking their overlords what they can and cannot do.
Men have something called testosterone pumping in their bodies and men do not like when other men try to take over their territory. Keep drinking your soy latte.

yikes lay off the man, okay? he doesn't have time to lose his virginity. he's too busy being a Real Big Man defending HIS TERRITORY (4 frogs) from the vicious onslaught of 11 other very manly men on the same elf simulator. it's very stressful and requires a lot of attention, hence the disdain for soy lattes. this is a man that needs to boof the beans straight.

keep fighting the good fight larken.

[feniin]

That's not even half the story. But it's the forums, and you won't find the other half here. I'm sure as hell not going to tell you.

The other half is that DMO and ST are a bunch of impotent man children who never learned to share and still throw toddler rage temper tantrums in a 22 year old elf sim.

[hewopepweow]

That's not even half the story. But it's the forums, and you won't find the other half here. I'm sure as hell not going to tell you.

is the other half how they defied direct GM orders to honor UN agreements for atleast 72 hours after leaving and went and sniped all the OoA's they werent able to win through fair competition?

[zaldaben]

That's not even half the story. But it's the forums, and you won't find the other half here. I'm sure as hell not going to tell you.

I mean he did leave out the part about sniping an open server vox

[Nirgon]

The other half is that DMO and ST are a bunch of impotent man children who never learned to share and still throw toddler rage temper tantrums in a 22 year old elf sim.

Is that how this started? Seems like saddle sore and less organized crews lobbied for exactly what would end the UN.... via you, guessed it, what you're projecting here.

Lobbying constantly for things you agreed not to via a UN existing makes the whole point of ever doing that UN stuff a joke. So did petitioning around it before.

ST was good buddies till this.

[Scalem]

I mean if I were in ST I'd be farming my keys. Gotta plan ahead for when the guild gets nuked by the GMs.

Even with the zerg that is ST basically all their main raiders are keyed for VP. They are at the point of keying alts and guild bots.

[Gustoo]

Convert server over to PVP immediately. It won't solve raid problems but at least you guys can kill eachother.

[unsunghero]

Convert server over to PVP immediately. It won't solve raid problems but at least you guys can kill eachother.

If violence doesn’t solve all of your problems, then you’re not using enough of it

[Forlin]

Yes, I guess that's what I'm implying. Why?
Because it's in the nature of men to solve issues with force, women queue up like little bitches asking their overlords what they can and cannot do.
Men have something called testosterone pumping in their bodies and men do not like when other men try to take over their territory. Keep drinking your soy latte.

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. You are just radiating insecurity in all directions and everyone is laughing at you. It's almost as funny as it is sad.

[Gustoo]

The fact is that the kind of camp disputes you guys have disappear when they require people to actively participate in the game in order to "secure' a camp. You can't just AFK wherever you want and permacamp every single mob. It's better for server health.

When it comes to raiding its still hard to manage, but I dunno, might be better.

Not about manliness just about making the game better. I don't look down on non PVP players but I do wish they could all try some good PVP experience so they could know why a lot of people won't go back.

[Eagleblooded]

Lollllllllllllll �� ST gets some well deserved karma. Read all 21 pages and it’s all great. Entertainment to the max, I can’t stop laughing ��

[unsunghero]

Yes, I guess that's what I'm implying. Why?
Because it's in the nature of men to solve issues with force, women queue up like little bitches asking their overlords what they can and cannot do.
Men have something called testosterone pumping in their bodies and men do not like when other men try to take over their territory. Keep drinking your soy latte.

It’s actually a bit of a misconception that testosterone increases aggression in humans

On one hand, there are about 10 times as many men as women in prison for violence. But on the other hand, there has been no proven correlation between high doses of testosterone and aggressive behaviors. As someone who is an avid lifter and former steroid user, I have shot up to 800mg testosterone per week and can vouch that “roid rage” really isn’t a thing. I noticed, like many others, no negative change to mood

That being said, I think you do have a point that having a pvp solution to the problem removes the need to constantly involve GM’s. That has always been WoW’s policy on pvp servers: if there’s a pvp solution to the problem, then there is no problem. I think unfortunately EQ’s pvp might involve more sketchy tactics. I remember from playing on Sullon Zek server back in the day that rez box training was pretty rampant during pvp conflict in pve areas. That’s where someone dies somewhere, gets a rez, then leaves the message to accept the rez open while they round up every KOS mob in the zone. They then run the mobs over to the opposing faction, then click yes to accept the rez which instantly poofs them out of existence leaving the mobs to kill everyone nearby. Those kind of exploits would still require GM intervention

[tadkins]

I remember from playing on Sullon Zek server back in the day that rez box training was pretty rampant during pvp conflict in pve areas. That’s where someone dies somewhere, gets a rez, then leaves the message to accept the rez open while they round up every KOS mob in the zone. They then run the mobs over to the opposing faction, then click yes to accept the rez which instantly poofs them out of existence leaving the mobs to kill everyone nearby. Those kind of exploits would still require GM intervention

I played on SZ too. :) Good times. Was my last server before finally quitting Live back in the day.

I remember that server being coined as the "no rules" server by the devs though. Admittedly I didn't have much experience with the tactics you describe but I do remember that the GMs only intervened on the absolute most extreme cases. It's why the level restrictions were lifted in non-newbie zones, with the Fansy and SG shenanigans that were taking place early on. But for the most part, wasn't it basically "anything goes"?

Just a small story, my friend and I back then felt it was our sworn duty as neutrals to make life hell for the evils, who were the dominant team at the time. One of the things we liked to do was make low level neutral dark elves, and suicide ourselves onto the pets of necros that were leveling in the Neriak FQ. They'd lose faction and after a few kills became KoS in their own city. Looking back now I feel kinda bad but we were just dumb kids in those days. xD But that was the sort of stuff that was considered legal on that server if I remember correctly.

[Larken]

Wow never thought I'd ruffle so many feathers with my testosterone/women being weak remark as it wasn't really meant in a serious way (there are females playing on R99).
Quite funny though, now being accused of hate speech, being insecure and what not. But all good my soybro's on Soy99 as I still honestly cannot fathom how you cannot see that the solution to 95% of your problems is solvable by PvP. Today you're trapped in a artificial "solution" which steals away countless of hours of time from yourselves and GM's to solve a problem which is solvable within the game design itself (PvP). Not to mention people practising game tactics for months on end (FTE runs) just to adhere to these artificial rules - is beyond my understanding. I think the core reason people hate the idea of PvP are largely based on 2 aspects.
1) Misconception of PvP and people being afraid them being griefed. This is an incorrect perception as we have LnS (Loot and scoot) rules in place to avoid this on R99. 99.9% of people respect these rules as breaking them will get them suspended/banned.
2) Ego. People just can't handle getting killed by another player. It's understandable as when I got killed the first times playing EQ pvp I was also fuming, but now if I get killed I just say GG and move on with my life. Many times, the person/group that killed you will even toss you a ress and send you off on your merry way.

Anyhow, good luck with whatever...

[tadkins]

1) Misconception of PvP and people being afraid them being griefed. This is an incorrect perception as we have LnS (Loot and scoot) rules in place to avoid this on R99. 99.9% of people respect these rules as breaking them will get them suspended/banned.


Last time I was there, giving that server a try, some dude was getting griefed repeatedly. I know because the red server announces PvP kills server-wide. I even chimed in OOC (also server-wide) "lol don't you guys think he's had enough?" and one of the killers responded "nah".

So I wouldn't say this is entirely accurate. I think if I did end up leveling my character to the high end, I'd be on the receiving end of that quite a bit, especially being an enchanter which isn't the greatest PvP class. No one would care if a disc-popping rogue decided to yeet me out of existence with no shot to fight back.

[Larken]

Last time I was there, giving that server a try, some dude was getting griefed repeatedly. I know because the red server announces PvP kills server-wide. I even chimed in "lol don't you guys think he's had enough?" and one of the killers responded "nah".

So I wouldn't say this is entirely accurate. I think if I did end up leveling my character to the high end, I'd be on the receiving end of that quite a bit, especially being an enchanter which isn't the greatest PvP class. No one would care if a disc-popping rogue decided to yeet me out of existence with no shot to fight back.


This is simply not true in the sense what will happen to you if you played on Red99.
What you are describing is an AFK player getting killed at his bind point, not to mentioned that it might be friends doing it to themselves for some reason. Again, just simply call out LnS and you get 30 minutes to get your corpse and leave the zone. That's it. And anyone who breaks it will most certainly get suspended/banned. Seriously, who would ban his own account just to kill some random level 27 dude in Mistmoore that they have no history with? And if such a person exists, then his account is gone.
People perpetuate the scenario you described above as something that's part of life on R99 - it's honestly not.

I've leveled several toons on R99 throughout the years and I have never been corpse camped. I think I've called LnS once because the vast majority of the times the killer is happy with his 1 kill and moves on.

Thanks for sharing your exp on R99 though.

[Larken]

Oh and by the way (sorry to hog the thread)
Does anyone see the irony in the fact that you guys are already engaged in PvP? Just a way more toxic one with words and "lawyers". I would go out on a limb and guess that the toxicity and hatered going on on the blue/green servers can reach much deeper levels than on red server because so much more ego gets involved.

At least on the red server, you can accept defeat and move on to a different zone and leaving no residue in your mind.

[alexdoofaz]

Towards the end of these great threads it always devolves into TLDR walls of text. Why is that?

[tadkins]

I just feel like, if I did stick with Red, as an undergeared newbie enchanter I'd spend pretty much all of my time "accepting defeat" against folks that have been there for a decade and are probably leaking MR out of their pores. That wouldn't be fun in the least.

Nowadays I'd rather just be able to play the game. I'll take the competition and occasional verbal disputes over what I described any day. Also, have you tried a soy latte? They can be quite good. :)

[Larken]

I just feel like, if I did stick with Red, as an undergeared newbie enchanter I'd spend pretty much all of my time "accepting defeat" against folks that have been there for a decade and are probably leaking MR out of their pores. That wouldn't be fun in the least.

Nowadays I'd rather just be able to play the game. I'll take the competition and occasional verbal disputes over what I described any day. Also, have you tried a soy latte? They can be quite good. :)

Fair enough, I get it, everyone has a different mentality.
Haha yes I've tried soy latte, and taste wise it's fine but I avoid soy for other reasons than taste :)

[unsunghero]

I played on SZ too. :) Good times. Was my last server before finally quitting Live back in the day.

I remember that server being coined as the "no rules" server by the devs though. Admittedly I didn't have much experience with the tactics you describe but I do remember that the GMs only intervened on the absolute most extreme cases. It's why the level restrictions were lifted in non-newbie zones, with the Fansy and SG shenanigans that were taking place early on. But for the most part, wasn't it basically "anything goes"?

Just a small story, my friend and I back then felt it was our sworn duty as neutrals to make life hell for the evils, who were the dominant team at the time. One of the things we liked to do was make low level neutral dark elves, and suicide ourselves onto the pets of necros that were leveling in the Neriak FQ. They'd lose faction and after a few kills became KoS in their own city. Looking back now I feel kinda bad but we were just dumb kids in those days. xD But that was the sort of stuff that was considered legal on that server if I remember correctly.

Yea Sullon was a no rules server. It also had a no rules message board that had some of the filthiest chat I have ever seen on a video game forum. If people think this stuff is “hate speech” ohhh man they shoulda seen the sullon zek non-official forum back in the day...

Lol I do remember Fansy the legend protecting S Ro with his sand giant friends that sometimes accidentally step on him. Your trick I hadn’t heard of before but is also pretty devious

[Cecily]

Sorry if this is too late, but wanted to make sure you got this.


https://i.imgur.com/QJcuC5M.png

[itsSergent]

This shit never happened on Teal.

#TealUN4life

rip to the best server

[azxten]

Oh and by the way (sorry to hog the thread)
Does anyone see the irony in the fact that you guys are already engaged in PvP? Just a way more toxic one with words and "lawyers". I would go out on a limb and guess that the toxicity and hatered going on on the blue/green servers can reach much deeper levels than on red server because so much more ego gets involved.

At least on the red server, you can accept defeat and move on to a different zone and leaving no residue in your mind.

Remove the GM lawyers and the ST problem goes away. I've said this for awhile. It also livens up the server because a core part of MMOs is the social aspect. Shitty guilds like ST get trained and griefed off the server without the GMs doing anything. In game is much more entertaining when there are "no rules."

We really need a no rules roleplay server with transferable no drops. Ultimate escape from ST and similar loot drama. Much better social atmosphere with extreme drama between players.

[Dolalin]

A Wild West server where might-makes-right and mob rule is enforced by massive trains.

Or, people start behaving like the 40 year old adults that they are.

Tough choice for staff...

[hewopepweow]

Remove the GM lawyers and the ST problem goes away. I've said this for awhile. It also livens up the server because a core part of MMOs is the social aspect. Shitty guilds like ST get trained and griefed off the server without the GMs doing anything. In game is much more entertaining when there are "no rules."

We really need a no rules roleplay server with transferable no drops. Ultimate escape from ST and similar loot drama. Much better social atmosphere with extreme drama between players.


I swear half the people play on this server because this level of toxicity has been legislated out at the gameplay level from modern games, and theres nowhere else these people can still be the Y2K era shitlords that they are and have been for their developmentally stunted existence.

[Phaezed-Reality]

A Wild West server where might-makes-right and mob rule is enforced by massive trains.

Or, people start behaving like the 40 year old adults that they are.

Tough choice for staff...

no. :) don't know it until you try it. its amazing. not for the faint hearted wood elf though.

[tadkins]

It also had a no rules message board that had some of the filthiest chat I have ever seen on a video game forum. If people think this stuff is “hate speech” ohhh man they shoulda seen the sullon zek non-official forum back in the day...

Ooooooh yeah...the memories. :D

[BlackBellamy]

Sullon was the original no rules server…until they started making rules. Because what Fansy was doing was totally fine according to their no rules rules. But then all of a sudden they came up with a concept of zone disruption and Sullon had its first rule. And then more rules followed. On the no rule server. Because you can’t have no rules anything ever. It’s a pipe dream some fantasy completely unrealistic. Because no rules means one thing to your average regular person and it means a completely different thing to the sociopath.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Yea Sullon was a no rules server. It also had a no rules message board that had some of the filthiest chat I have ever seen on a video game forum. If people think this stuff is “hate speech” ohhh man they shoulda seen the sullon zek non-official forum back in the day...

Lol I do remember Fansy the legend protecting S Ro with his sand giant friends that sometimes accidentally step on him. Your trick I hadn’t heard of before but is also pretty devious

Lol PVPers were the WORST. I played on TZ and we had a message board called "The Tallon Zek Times" that functioned as a daily recounting of server drama and just general shit posting. Good times.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

I swear half the people play on this server because this level of toxicity has been legislated out at the gameplay level from modern games, and theres nowhere else these people can still be the Y2K era shitlords that they are and have been for their developmentally stunted existence.

No other game allows for such DIRECT denial of other player's fun and advancement.

Ironically these people who love to cry about modern MMOs having instanced dungeons and raids are the very reason that change had to occur. Because without instanced content you WILL have groups of players on every server who's goal is not just advancing their own character, but equally the prevention of others from advancing as well.

Of course with P99 the problem of RMT ties directly into this - just look at the shitlords on Blue who permacmaped things for years so they could RMT the MQs (many of whom are now playing on Green, of course)

[tadkins]

Ironically these people who love to cry about modern MMOs having instanced dungeons and raids are the very reason that change had to occur. Because without instanced content you WILL have groups of players on every server who's goal is not just advancing their own character, but equally the prevention of others from advancing as well.

I totally agree. That kind of opinion gets you crucified on this server but I am a fan of instancing, and also things like LFR/LFD. Being able to play and have fun shouldn't depend on the good graces of others. Why is it fair for folks to be blocked out of content just because they don't happen to be in the right clique?

I'm not naive enough to think those features would come to P99, but I'm not going to say they weren't good things in other MMOs.

[azeth]

Question, did ST bother to ask for 4, 5 or 6 consecutive Trakanons versus 3, before this all transpired?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Nerds can't share pixels on a ancient video game.

The same nerds that spent the last FULL DECADE monopolizing content on Blue nonetheless!

[nyclin]

y'all motherfuckers need GM enforced rotations

[Juntsie]

Juntsie have da big book of da business, da super hot troll wife, and fifteen childrenz to feed in Grobb. He no get how da folk bash raid merbs like dis or have time fer dese disputes dis days. Culd care less, but wish dat it not give folk headaches comparable to whut happens after sniffing too much swamp gasses.

Whut happened to jus' giving young trolls gud clubs in da swamp, bashing wit friends, and enjoying delicious local-foodsz? Dem are the gud times.

On da related note, Juntsie WTS professional troll raid and forum dispute resolution services at prime, special rate of 5,000 plat per hourz. PST todayz.

[Gustoo]

Speaking as a satisfied customer of Juntsies services, It was well worth the 50k plat I paid him for 10 hours of mediation. He also delivered my wifes baby AND did not feed it to his family, because of all the other food I gave him. So he makes a good Doula too.

Thanks Juntsie.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

These same players ALSO woke the Sleeper on Blue AND transferred as a guild to the Al'Kabor (EQ Mac) Server to wake Kerafym there as well. On Al'Kabor, Kerafym had been sleeping since 2005 when Velious launched on that server, via a serverwide player-agreement that ALL raid guilds agreed to.

These are the type of people we're dealing with. They are psychopaths who derive pleasure from the misfortune of others.

[Twochain]

These same players ALSO woke the Sleeper on Blue AND transferred as a guild to the Al'Kabor (EQ Mac) Server to wake Kerafym there as well. On Al'Kabor, Kerafym had been sleeping since 2005 when Velious launched on that server, via a serverwide player-agreement that ALL raid guilds agreed to.

These are the type of people we're dealing with. They are psychopaths who derive pleasure from the misfortune of others.

I mean is this what really happened? All of the leadership of ST was in Rampage... and they all went to eqmac to wake the sleeper 15 years later... because they are psychopaths.

You need to relax. These aren't psychopaths who derive pleasures from misfortunes of others. You seem a little unhinged. It's quite alright to want to play a video game because you want to beat other people. Just like any other "game" out there. I'm a competitive person, so I would want to win whether it was in a game on Monopoly, Uno, Basketball, whatever.

And Classic EverQuest, like a lot of raiders like me, scratches the competitive itch for whatever reason. I REALLY only play competitive video games. The only other games i've really played in the last decade other than EQ is Dota 2, CS:GO/CSS, Valorant, CoD, Pubg, Apex Legends. And some Diablo 2.

Something about EQ, (Especially in the pull era) really just got my competitive juices pumping. It's fun. It's complex, yet easy enough to teach a first timer how to DPS, or heal. It can be grueling, and the lowest lows and highest highs that have only been matched in my experience with playing Dota and CS. There is a lot of people like me in our community, and we're not going to just want to stop because you want a turn to win. Unlike dota and cs, where you are only competing against 5v5, this is a 50v50, 75v75, 150v150 event. I don't even like MMO's, but competing on p99 is unlike anything i've experienced in any others.

Watching WoW "competitive" guilds is pretty boring. It's basically either a race for first, or a time trial. Pretty boring imo.

But if I could watch those two guilds compete directly with each other for ONE mob? That could be interesting.

I don't play on green. Leveling a human monk in classic was too boring. And by the time I started working on my enchanter, it felt a little bit like it was too late so I never bothered. But I know a lot of these guys in ST from Blue. They don't want to kill your parents. They want to win the dragons.

End game raiding in EverQuest was supposed to be hard. And practically unobtainable. I played Kunark a lot on live. I don't even think I ever heard of Veeshan's Peak, let alone saw anyone link an item from there in 2000. From the wiki, the staff released this statement when the zone was released on live.

We recommend that only the most advanced and organized players in the game even attempt to enter this zone.
The customer service staff (GMs and Guides) will not assist players in any way in regards to this zone.
This includes help for issues such as unrecoverable corpses (see your local Necromancer),
or characters finding themselves stuck (see your local Magician), bugs, etc.
- Gordon


Does this sound like a zone that was to be occupied by more than one or two guilds in era? No. It was reserved for the sweatiest, cheetos and mountain dew'd faced nerds that played the game.

Struggling to get access to VP is very classic.


It seems to me like the GM's are very, very sick of hearing people cry incessantly about the free game they provide for you, moderated by volunteers who are subjected to nothing but scorn no matter what they decide.

Personally, If I was them, i'd remove CSR from raiding until Velious came out. It'll work itself out.

Nobody is missing out on a once in a lifetime item from VP..... And if your guild can't get it's shit together enough to make it into VP before Velious comes out... Then so be it.

The game isn't going anywhere guys. If you keep getting beat by the guys who play to win the game, it's not going to stop just because you get 1 trakanon every 3 weeks. Velious is the end game here. Get enough clerics and rogues, and at least a few tanks with respectable HP, and get ready to keep ST out of Sleepers.

Velious is a numbers game in the current meta. It won't be like Rampage's domination of the expansion, Where they could execute great strats against larger guild alliances.

At the end of the day, I'm just glad the project exists. You guys should be too. For all of it's beauty, and all of it's ugly.

[G13]

I mean is this what really happened? All of the leadership of ST was in Rampage... and they all went to eqmac to wake the sleeper 15 years later... because they are psychopaths.

You need to relax. These aren't psychopaths who derive pleasures from misfortunes of others. You seem a little unhinged. It's quite alright to want to play a video game because you want to beat other people. Just like any other "game" out there. I'm a competitive person, so I would want to win whether it was in a game on Monopoly, Uno, Basketball, whatever.

And Classic EverQuest, like a lot of raiders like me, scratches the competitive itch for whatever reason. I REALLY only play competitive video games. The only other games i've really played in the last decade other than EQ is Dota 2, CS:GO/CSS, Valorant, CoD, Pubg, Apex Legends. And some Diablo 2.

Something about EQ, (Especially in the pull era) really just got my competitive juices pumping. It's fun. It's complex, yet easy enough to teach a first timer how to DPS, or heal. It can be grueling, and the lowest lows and highest highs that have only been matched in my experience with playing Dota and CS. There is a lot of people like me in our community, and we're not going to just want to stop because you want a turn to win. Unlike dota and cs, where you are only competing against 5v5, this is a 50v50, 75v75, 150v150 event. I don't even like MMO's, but competing on p99 is unlike anything i've experienced in any others.

Watching WoW "competitive" guilds is pretty boring. It's basically either a race for first, or a time trial. Pretty boring imo.

But if I could watch those two guilds compete directly with each other for ONE mob? That could be interesting.

I don't play on green. Leveling a human monk in classic was too boring. And by the time I started working on my enchanter, it felt a little bit like it was too late so I never bothered. But I know a lot of these guys in ST from Blue. They don't want to kill your parents. They want to win the dragons.

End game raiding in EverQuest was supposed to be hard. And practically unobtainable. I played Kunark a lot on live. I don't even think I ever heard of Veeshan's Peak, let alone saw anyone link an item from there in 2000. From the wiki, the staff released this statement when the zone was released on live.

We recommend that only the most advanced and organized players in the game even attempt to enter this zone.
The customer service staff (GMs and Guides) will not assist players in any way in regards to this zone.
This includes help for issues such as unrecoverable corpses (see your local Necromancer),
or characters finding themselves stuck (see your local Magician), bugs, etc.
- Gordon


Does this sound like a zone that was to be occupied by more than one or two guilds in era? No. It was reserved for the sweatiest, cheetos and mountain dew'd faced nerds that played the game.

Struggling to get access to VP is very classic.


It seems to me like the GM's are very, very sick of hearing people cry incessantly about the free game they provide for you, moderated by volunteers who are subjected to nothing but scorn no matter what they decide.

Personally, If I was them, i'd remove CSR from raiding until Velious came out. It'll work itself out.

Nobody is missing out on a once in a lifetime item from VP..... And if your guild can't get it's shit together enough to make it into VP before Velious comes out... Then so be it.

The game isn't going anywhere guys. If you keep getting beat by the guys who play to win the game, it's not going to stop just because you get 1 trakanon every 3 weeks. Velious is the end game here. Get enough clerics and rogues, and at least a few tanks with respectable HP, and get ready to keep ST out of Sleepers.

Velious is a numbers game in the current meta. It won't be like Rampage's domination of the expansion, Where they could execute great strats against larger guild alliances.

At the end of the day, I'm just glad the project exists. You guys should be too. For all of it's beauty, and all of it's ugly.

All toxicity that exists across both Green and Blue lead back to IB

10+ years now of playing the "I got dragon loot, you don't" game

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Unhinged? They literally went to AlKabor, leveled up their toons and all got raid-geared with the express purpose of waking Kerafym.

Hopefully this time around the raid guilds can work something out. Naive, I know, but I'm hopeful.

Aslo EverQuest was not intended to be a competitive game. In fact it was conceived to be the exact opposite. It was intended to be a cooperative, "online dungeons and dragons" style game that was created SPECIFICALLY to compete with all the other competitive/PVP MMOs that made up he market at that time.

[Twochain]

Unhinged? They literally went to AlKabor, leveled up their toons and all got raid-geared with the express purpose of waking Kerafym.

Hopefully this time around the raid guilds can work something out. Naive, I know, but I'm hopeful.

Aslo EverQuest was not intended to be a competitive game. In fact it was conceived to be the exact opposite. It was intended to be a cooperative, "online dungeons and dragons" style game that was created SPECIFICALLY to compete with all the other competitive/PVP MMOs that made up he market at that time.

Right. There was no competition. There was one guild, and then the rest. Vp on live (and I’d really love to hear input from somebody who did it in era on live) was probably dominated by one guild on 90% of the servers. I guanrintee you a ST raid is a lot more cooperative than in era raiding guilds.

A lot of that stuff came down to knowledge, and numbers. My memories of playing kunark on live was a bunch of tight knit community esque guilds, such as the one I was in from the beginning to end, and we rarely raided. I remember doing vindi while Luclin was out.. and I mean LATE luclin. And I only remember one raising guild from my server. Pak Cafan? I think..?

Also which players from rampage woke the sleeper on eq mac and are now ST? Honestly this is the first time I heard this.

The other point I make is that if EverQuest wasn’t supposed to be competitive, it’s not a burden to its legacy that it became that way. It’s actually kind of bonkers, and a complete ode to the games greatness, that it DID become competitive over 20 years after it went live.

People complain about raiding on this server, and I counter that it’s the most thrilling dragon raiding available on the internet.

If your guild isn’t strong enough, find other likeminded guilds to team up with.

Maybe try to come to an agreement? If coth racing isn’t doing it, maybe try foot races with lockouts. That will give you a decent chance.

ST is banned because phatez acted like a dick. If I had to guess, he’s losing his shit because he feels like the GMs are turning their back on the raid scene because the casuals finally cried enough to get loot. He needs to chill, but I don’t completely disagree with him. There’s better ways to go about this though.

Getting 1 trak for free isn’t going to change anything. Your free trakanon today won’t help you kill LTK tomorrow.

[getsome]

All toxicity that exists across both Green and Blue lead back to IB

This guy knows how to hold a grudge.

[unsunghero]

Saying EQ is the most thrilling pve competition is completely 100% your opinion and not based in any objective reality. The objective reality states that the ACTUAL most thrilling pve competition to the majority of consumers is the one that is the most popular and that definitely isn’t an emulated 20 year old game. Hell, even classic WoW wasn’t considered better pve than live, and both of those are infinitely more popular than EQ

Edit: from what I’ve heard from the majority of players here the late game pve on p99 sucks ass

[getsome]

Also which players from rampage woke the sleeper on eq mac and are now ST? Honestly this is the first time I heard this.

The only one I can remember first hand who woke sleeper on both servers is sussy. https://twitch.tv/sussypoo

The eqmac sleeper was awakened by less than 10 people boxxing a few accounts. I think my wizard was used for it. I was invited, but was busy that day. It was done a few months after the guild we were in stopped raiding on that server.

[Fammaden]

Nothing about your competitive meta is intrinsic to Everquest. Its all things that P99 has shoehorned into place in order to address player behaviors and try to reduce guilds butting heads at raids, not induce more conflict.

FTE messages, lockouts, 16 hour variance windows, the entire rulebook and petitionquest meta surrounding the raid scene..... Those are the aspects that your crew has learned to run game around, and to be fair you've done a superior job in dominating that mini game. But none of it was put in place as a means to an end for game design reasons, it evolved because of the player behaviors that they didn't want to leave unchecked.

And if the owners of the box are sick of it they have every right and reason to force it to end or change. Rotations are very very classic, many servers used them, enforcing them would not be an affront to EQ's legacy whatsoever. Neither would doing hard resets (quakes) more often, as all the servers were frequently brought down for maintenance resulting in repops that both the top hardcore and lowest casual units could feast upon.

[zaldaben]

Right. There was no competition. There was one guild, and then the rest. Vp on live (and I’d really love to hear input from somebody who did it in era on live) was probably dominated by one guild on 90% of the servers. I guanrintee you a ST raid is a lot more cooperative than in era raiding guilds.

A lot of that stuff came down to knowledge, and numbers. My memories of playing kunark on live was a bunch of tight knit community esque guilds, such as the one I was in from the beginning to end, and we rarely raided. I remember doing vindi while Luclin was out.. and I mean LATE luclin. And I only remember one raising guild from my server. Pak Cafan? I think..?

Also which players from rampage woke the sleeper on eq mac and are now ST? Honestly this is the first time I heard this.

The other point I make is that if EverQuest wasn’t supposed to be competitive, it’s not a burden to its legacy that it became that way. It’s actually kind of bonkers, and a complete ode to the games greatness, that it DID become competitive over 20 years after it went live.

People complain about raiding on this server, and I counter that it’s the most thrilling dragon raiding available on the internet.

If your guild isn’t strong enough, find other likeminded guilds to team up with.

Maybe try to come to an agreement? If coth racing isn’t doing it, maybe try foot races with lockouts. That will give you a decent chance.

ST is banned because phatez acted like a dick. If I had to guess, he’s losing his shit because he feels like the GMs are turning their back on the raid scene because the casuals finally cried enough to get loot. He needs to chill, but I don’t completely disagree with him. There’s better ways to go about this though.

Getting 1 trak for free isn’t going to change anything. Your free trakanon today won’t help you kill LTK tomorrow.

p99 wasnt recreated so one guild can dominate a server. It was created so people can enjoy the experience of the original content. 2nd many servers had guilds that came to agreements to rotate content and took turns raiding the planes etc. to pretend like only the most populous guild on the server has the right to enjoy the end game content is dumb. when one guild creates an environment where 75 percent of the people playing are shat on goes directly against why p99 was created.