KWSM moving the bar

[Naethyn]

https://imgur.com/Sf7NC3B.jpg

2021 and KWSM is telling casual guilds they don't get a spot.

[Tunabros]

you are a monster for using discord white mode

[Nexii]

Sounds like Galach agrees. And I'm inclined to. 1 Vindi kill per 3 months shouldn't equal 5 freebies.

[reznor_]

you are a monster for using discord white mode

[k9quaint]

I'd be curious to see the encounter logs of that Vindi.

[Arvan]

Kittens #1 server bad guys

[Samoht]

I'd be curious to see the encounter logs of that Vindi.

MT from Riot
CH chain from Freedom

This was NOT a Seal Team kill.

[pogs4ever]

Kittens #1 server bad guys

[Daloon]

MT from Riot
CH chain from Freedom

This was NOT a Seal Team kill.

Snitches get stitches.

[Swish]

https://imgur.com/Sf7NC3B.jpg

2021 and KWSM is telling casual guilds they don't get a spot.

How long before the leadership put lame wrestling avatars up?

[feniin]

you are a monster for using discord white mode

[feniin]

run some IP checks on that Vindi kill. Bet quite a few active Freedom and Riot raiders pop up.

[Nirgon]

ahaha ohoho ho ho dunked on

[Zekayy]

run some IP checks on that Vindi kill. Bet quite a few active Freedom and Riot raiders pop up.


the problem with that is anyone can change their IP address.

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/60s2qty.png

[feniin]

the problem with that is anyone can change their IP address.

I don't have a lot of faith that the people who are trying to game the system in a 22 year old elf simulator are all that bright.

[titanshub]

How long before the leadership put lame wrestling avatars up?

https://i.imgur.com/L6ve8Bj.jpg

Am I doing this correctly?

[Fammaden]

run some IP checks on that Vindi kill. Bet quite a few active Freedom and Riot raiders pop up.

Half of the "Seal Team" I saw in who looked like familiar retired Aftermath toons.

[Viscere]

https://i.imgur.com/NTe1Q3q.gif

[Toxigen]

pras to KWSM

love those guys

[Naerron]

MT from Riot
CH chain from Freedom

This was NOT a Seal Team kill.


and sandwiches from your mom..=P

couldn't help myself

[Grumph]

Regularly participating in earthquakes seems like a good way to demonstrate...

Regularly... earthquakes...

...earthquakes...


"Hey SEAL TEAM! Great job on Vindi!"

"Now all you need to do is be sure to kill something during our regular earthquakes."

"Totally fair! B/c earthquakes are nothing if not consistent. There's basically zero chance of going months without one!"

"Just be ready for to regularly participate in all of those many earthquakes we'll get before the next draft AND.... YOUR IN BRO!!!"

[Grumph]

"Hey SEAL TEAM! Great job on Vindi!"

"Now all you need to do is be sure to kill something during our regular earthquakes."

"Totally fair! B/c earthquakes are nothing if not consistent. There's basically zero chance of going months without one!"

"Just be ready for to regularly participate in all of those many earthquakes we'll get before the next draft AND.... YOUR IN BRO!!!"




I propose that <Kittens Who Say Meow> be forced to change their guild name to <Robinhood>


Just like <Azure Guard> was.

[kempoguy80]

Sorry your alt guild can't play, just log in your alts in the guild that are.

[Grumph]

Sorry your alt guild can't play, just log in your alts in the guild that are.

"We're not moving the bar on Vindi!"

"And we're not moving the bar on quakes either!"

"That's an alt guild anyway and has been the entire time!"

"And our arguments have been consistent! Zero Bar Moving!"

[Viscere]

well it's your feeder/alt guild

would be strange for you not to love em

[Vianna]

I don't have a lot of faith that the people who are trying to game the system in a 22 year old elf simulator are all that bright.

Well you are definitely not that bright. So makes sense.

[feniin]

Well you are definitely not that bright. So makes sense.

:confused:

Are you upset that you can't double dip on rotated content?

[Vianna]

:confused:

Are you upset that you can't double dip on rotated content?

Yeah totally upset. I can't sleep at the prospects of it.

[Grumph]

How is this complicated!

It's important that CSG guilds get a seat at the table to draft uncontested mobs.

It's also important that only the guilds who suffered through the dark periods of neck beards eating weeks and months of suspensions can be considered legitimate CSG.

What doesn't Phatez understand? It's a big club. He's just not in it.

[Nirgon]

Guys it's the beta server, anyone should be allowed to show up and test content

[booter]

How long before the leadership put lame wrestling avatars up?

imagine living rent free in swish's head :o

[druidbob]

Seems like Galach made his stance pretty clear the last time Seal Team tried this, not sure why they expect a different result.

[Mickets]

Are the players of green not giving seal team enough attention or what

[Arvan]

Seems like Galach made his stance pretty clear the last time Seal Team tried this, not sure why they expect a different result.

Cause they are just trolling?

[Argh]

Looks like Galach moved the bar, not Kittens. Thoughts and prayers to Seal Team.

[voydent]

Guys it's the beta server, anyone should be allowed to show up and test content

LMAO

[Bardp1999]

Seal Team is a very real and legitimate guild entity on Green and many of those players have toons on Blue from before Green launched. Seems very weird that they are getting the armbar from the staff.

Scumbag move in my opinion - ST has as much a right to free mobs on Blue as KWSM

[OuterChimp]

Consider Teal. We don't put up with Toxicity on the Alpha Server.

[Harvest]

KWSM is a very real and legitimate guild entity on Blue and many of those players have toons on Green from after Green launched. Seems very weird that they are getting the armbar from the staff.

Scumbag move in my opinion - KWSM has as much a right to free mobs on Green as ST

[Nirgon]

Ahaha beta clowns shook as fuck

[Naethyn]

Open rolls - NBG is always corrupt.
Codify entry requirements well ahead of time.

[Nirgon]

How bout you bring your paladin lookin ass over to the official server and quit clingin those beta pixels

[Zoggren]

I'm fine with Seal Team entering the draft, provided they delete their guild and characters on green! I think it's only fair...

[Fammaden]

I'm fine with Seal Team entering the draft, provided they delete their guild and characters on green! I think it's only fair...

That's ridiculous. They should have to transfer the entire guild roster from green to blue.

[Bardp1999]

KWSM is a very real and legitimate guild entity on Blue and many of those players have toons on Green from after Green launched. Seems very weird that they are getting the armbar from the staff.

Scumbag move in my opinion - KWSM has as much a right to free mobs on Green as ST

Completely agree - KWSM is more than welcome to enter the Green raiding scene - however, it's a bit different since Blue has been around for 10+ years and ST actually has developed characters capable of competing. Nice try though idiot

[xdrcfrx]

I'm sure everyone remembers those people from childhood that used to love being disruptive because they thought "this will definitely make everyone super impressed," but actually everyone just cringed for them.

[Drakborn]

The question is easily answered by what happens during a quake - that shows the guild's priority. If both servers quake, does <insert guild here> race for targets on green or blue?

Now, about that quake.....

[Akg49]

KWSM blue server heroes, good job Jute.

ST go crawl back into your green hole.

[Bardp1999]

I can see how quakes and rotated scheduled content are the same, of wait they are polar opposites of each other

[Drakborn]

I can see how quakes and rotated scheduled content are the same, of wait they are polar opposites of each other

:clown:

[Kaitainz]

the problem with that is anyone can change their IP address.

Ask Furoar how that worked out for him... he may digress with your assumption! Hahhaha

[sydbarrett25]

Trust me, if Kittens had the authority to make any changes I am sure there would be plenty. Why you blame this on Jute is beyond me. Is he the final ruler over this draft? I think not

[Nirgon]

Look at the beta clingers moving goal posts for who is even allowed to try to compete for mobs. Can you fuckin imagine!!!

[druidbob]

Welp, looks like Galach's decision was what most of us expected.

[Phatez]

Come kill dragons on blue with me and my friends!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377662

All Freedom, Riot, AG, Kittens alts welcome (bring clerics and rogues).

[Bardp1999]

Phatez is saving P99 - one server at a time

[Nirgon]

Welp, looks like Galach's decision was what most of us expected.

Confirmed they are 100% not going away

[LazyHydras]

Naethyn awakens from his EC tunnel slumber?

[Bellringer]

https://i.imgur.com/JmNL36X.gif

[getsome]

Blue is closed to new guilds.
No more PM sky slots.
No more slots in open server wide quarterly draft.

[Daloon]

<Seal Team> will take over the server unless we unite and stop them at every Vindi, Fear Golem. They are laying their foundation down. WE MUST STOP THE MOMENTUM.

[LazyHydras]

<Seal Team> will take over the server unless we unite and stop them at every Vindi, Fear Golem. They are laying their foundation down. WE MUST STOP THE MOMENTUM.

HOLD THE LINE.

[Awweshux]

Oh goody. Server about to get more toxic. Fun times ahead.

[Arvan]

Lookatchu bro

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Oh goody. Server about to get more toxic. Fun times ahead.


^this... the beards got told to gtfo off golems and now they will do whatever they can to undermine agreements... p99 never chages

[Boptop]

They must defeat a champion from each major blue guild to open a portal into the realm... wait that's mortal kombat.

[Danth]

Does somebody want to provide a run-down of what this is all about for those of us who don't tune into Discord as though it's some sort of soap opera?

Danth

[Bardp1999]

the TLDR - despite the countless times the staff has said they don't like C/R style rotations - they have decided once again to do rotations for select mobs. Seal Team has entered the fray because most of Seal Team has Blue level 60s and they want a shot at uncontested, scheduled content (that doesn't require endless hours of tracking/mobilization/time commitment) - the guilds on Blue are REEEEEEEing hard at this and saying Seal Team isn't a real Blue raid guild (despite most of Seal Teams level 60s probably being better geared than KWSM since most are from former top raid guilds)

To combat this Galach and CSG guilds are trying to set the bar JUST above where Seal Team would qualify, so they keep changing the requirements each time Seal Team reaches one.

[Bardp1999]

And for those confused by CSG - it means Casual Scum Guild and is a catch-all for all guilds not in the current top 2 Guilds

[sydbarrett25]

the TLDR - despite the countless times the staff has said they don't like C/R style rotations - they have decided once again to do rotations for select mobs. Seal Team has entered the fray because most of Seal Team has Blue level 60s and they want a shot at uncontested, scheduled content (that doesn't require endless hours of tracking/mobilization/time commitment) - the guilds on Blue are REEEEEEEing hard at this and saying Seal Team isn't a real Blue raid guild (despite most of Seal Teams level 60s probably being better geared than KWSM since most are from former top raid guilds)

To combat this Galach and CSG guilds are trying to set the bar JUST above where Seal Team would qualify, so they keep changing the requirements each time Seal Team reaches one.

Is it Seal Team? On the guild discussion forum it is titled Steal Team

[Boptop]

the TLDR - despite the countless times the staff has said they don't like C/R style rotations - they have decided once again to do rotations for select mobs. Seal Team has entered the fray because most of Seal Team has Blue level 60s and they want a shot at uncontested, scheduled content (that doesn't require endless hours of tracking/mobilization/time commitment) - the guilds on Blue are REEEEEEEing hard at this and saying Seal Team isn't a real Blue raid guild (despite most of Seal Teams level 60s probably being better geared than KWSM since most are from former top raid guilds)

To combat this Galach and CSG guilds are trying to set the bar JUST above where Seal Team would qualify, so they keep changing the requirements each time Seal Team reaches one.

You've ruined your own lands! You'll not ruin mine.

[magnetaress]

Wats KWSM stand for?

[Nirgon]

Lookatchu bro

[Arvan]

the TLDR - despite the countless times the staff has said they don't like C/R style rotations - they have decided once again to do rotations for select mobs. Seal Team has entered the fray because most of Seal Team has Blue level 60s and they want a shot at uncontested, scheduled content (that doesn't require endless hours of tracking/mobilization/time commitment) - the guilds on Blue are REEEEEEEing hard at this and saying Seal Team isn't a real Blue raid guild (despite most of Seal Teams level 60s probably being better geared than KWSM since most are from former top raid guilds)

To combat this Galach and CSG guilds are trying to set the bar JUST above where Seal Team would qualify, so they keep changing the requirements each time Seal Team reaches one.

Big mad

[getsome]

Does somebody want to provide a run-down of what this is all about for those of us who don't tune into Discord as though it's some sort of soap opera?

Danth

ELI5

Blue server implements open server wide quarterly draft of free raid mobs
Blue GMs and blue guilds declare guilds and/or alliance must be able to kill vindi to participate
A new guild on blue kills vindi and asks to participate in next draft
Blue GMs tell new guild to fuck off and legacy blue guilds start to cry about losing pixels

[Danth]

Thanks for the run-downs. Guess it's just as well to get these types of questions out of the way now. Sooner or later other new guilds will form and want inclusion as well. Leaving it murky will only see the "draft" ultimately fail for the same reason "Class R" did. There are never enough pixels to go around.

Danth

[apathe]

Wats KWSM stand for?

Kittens Who Say Meow, the #1 raiding guild on the server

[Nirgon]

The green server welcomes open competition

No moving goal posts or toxic beta clinger scum

[Zoggren]

It seems like the blue server is trying to do some fun community building server events, and the green neckbeard guild, of whom is made of many people the blue server was glad to see gone, has tried to grab some easy welfare pixels. I think Seal Team should help organize their own quarterly draft on the green server. Obviously it was a joke that they should delete their green characters, but I believe they should be excluded because they really aren't part of the blue server. They are merely trying to exploit a server event in which they had no part in forming. If they organize a quarterly draft of their own on green, then I think it could be reconsidered.

[magnetaress]

Wats KWSM stand for?

[Arvan]

The green server welcomes open competition

No moving goal posts or toxic beta clinger scum

This comment is toxic

[getsome]

https://i.imgur.com/GWD1xsG.jpg

[Cassawary]

Wats KWSM stand for?

Kittens Who Say MINE!

[sydbarrett25]

Kittens Who Say MINE!

Right, because kittens decides who gets to participate in the draft? Oh wait, no they dont.

[Nexii]

https://i.imgur.com/GWD1xsG.jpg

So much for bringing Rustle back to draft all the easy mobs with good droppables (Fear golems, Hate minis, Kelorek`Dar, Zlandicar)

[LazyHydras]

Lookatchu bro

thumpin your chest!

[Phatez]

So much for bringing Rustle back to draft all the easy mobs with good droppables (Fear golems, Hate minis, Kelorek`Dar, Zlandicar)

Rustle is we one to join Seal Team. We are all friends here just trying to kill dragons.

[Bardp1999]

Obviously it was a joke that they should delete their green characters, but I believe they should be excluded because they really aren't part of the blue server. They are merely trying to exploit a server event in which they had no part in forming. If they organize a quarterly draft of their own on green, then I think it could be reconsidered.

I hope this is a joke. If you left to Green you are now shunned from the Blue community into infinity? I have 4 level 60 characters on Blue and a handful more that were banned because I broke the rules. I am now not a part of the Blue community? My years of raiding on Blue and making it the toxic pit of piss that it is now are just to be forgotten?

[Zoggren]

Yes, shunned forever. Now piss yourself and an hero

[Nirgon]

This comment is toxic

One of those "facts are toxic" types

[tacomagradd]

I hope this is a joke. If you left to Green you are now shunned from the Blue community into infinity? I have 4 level 60 characters on Blue and a handful more that were banned because I broke the rules. I am now not a part of the Blue community? My years of raiding on Blue and making it the toxic pit of piss that it is now are just to be forgotten?

I mean, if you want to regularly play on blue, meet Galach's requirements, and kill Vindi with your own force, then go for it?

The draft wasn't designed as a reunion event for people who don't play during non draft weeks. It was designed to create some good will between entities that compete during the rest of the year. It is a cooling off opportunity to balance out what had been 100% competition 100% of the time. To crash the party and create drama is antithetical to the purpose and spirit of the draft.

And yes, drafting entities may discuss some revisions to some of the rules - as was clearly outlined in discussions developing this in the first place. That may mean we talk a little about the bar for entry - which is obviously an important topic given the flood of interest from entities that are not otherwise active on Blue. It is especially important now that we received directions from Galach about who is welcome, and who is not.

In the mean time, you and everyone else are welcome to join the server-wide encounters if you cannot meet the GM's requirements and expectations. Medris made some sick picks last time, and is sure to do the same in April.

[k9quaint]

I guess green is the beta. Poor Steal Team.

[Bardp1999]

Oh cool so the draft is a non-inclusive event designed to further alienate people from joining P99 or rejoining after a period of non-raiding.

Sounds really cool and competitive - why not just install mailboxes and you get e piece of loot lotteried to you once a month

[Arvan]

One of those "facts are toxic" types

Sorry all your posts are toxic

[feniin]

Oh cool so the draft is a non-inclusive event designed to further alienate people from joining P99 or rejoining after a period of non-raiding.

Sounds really cool and competitive - why not just install mailboxes and you get e piece of loot lotteried to you once a month

Join an actual guild if you want to play on Blue.

[Arvan]

You might be toxic if you make an alt guild just so you can /random draft loot

[Zoggren]

Oh cool so the draft is a non-inclusive event designed to further alienate people from joining P99 or rejoining after a period of non-raiding.

Sounds really cool and competitive - why not just install mailboxes and you get e piece of loot lotteried to you once a month

Thanks for ruining my clickies.

[xdrcfrx]

being jealous of people playing with the toy you aren't using anymore is totally mature, adult behavior, and not something we discourage in children ages 2-4.

[tacomagradd]

Oh cool so the draft is a non-inclusive event designed to further alienate people from joining P99 or rejoining after a period of non-raiding.

Sounds really cool and competitive - why not just install mailboxes and you get e piece of loot lotteried to you once a month

Cool and competitive is what happens the other 48 weeks of the year. You are totally welcome to get in on that hot mess. Hope you're good at Mariokart and own many socks.

Sorry, we will not be installing a loot mailbox for you.

Please address all loot to:

Jutebox
1337 Treehouse Way N.
Kelethin, Greater Faydark

[Akg49]

Seal Team? More like Seeeyalater Team, :D

[Cassawary]

Spyder what were you banned for on blue?

Trying to puzzle out why you're so invested in playing farm crew 🤔

[Jibartik]

you are a monster for using discord white mode

juFZh92MUOY

[Swish]

Spyder what were you banned for on blue?

Trying to puzzle out why you're so invested in playing farm crew 🤔

Those are just forum bans.

[Nirgon]

You might be toxic if you make an alt guild just so you can /random draft loot

How many years has this server been farming Velious now? Jeeze.

Beta Clingers Who Say Toxic needs to give it a rest.

[Boptop]

Leader of racist guild has issue with the word toxic, news at 11.

[Nirgon]

no issue, thanks for the dragon

https://i.imgur.com/4Pab3Xa.jpg

if you'll excuse me im gonna put this loot down the garbage disposal, because this server is 10x overfarmed for its timeline

[feniin]

https://i.imgur.com/iojvSeD.jpg

[Akg49]

Naggy doesn't count btw :D

[Nexii]

Rustle is we one to join Seal Team. We are all friends here just trying to kill dragons.

If you had the Rustle tag instead you'd probably get in

[Scalem]

St wants free loot on blue but is trying it’s hardest to limit open server raids on green. Can’t wait to see this toxicity banned from p99.

[Nirgon]

you being mad isnt a reason to ban someone

[Bach]

ST being as toxic on blue as they are on green I see:D
I guess they being half the server in raider number on green isn't enough, their thirst for pixels and greed is endless :rolleyes:

Funny to see them asking for freebies when they fight so much against it on green blocking any possible rotation agreements of raid targets.

Props on galach rightfuly blocking their asses:cool:

[Nirgon]

Anything I FTE is going straight down the tullet

[ClephNote]

If ST can’t join the rotations, does that mean they are not bound by rotations and may compete for any spawn?

[Bach]

I can see how quakes and rotated scheduled content are the same, of wait they are polar opposites of each other

Someone's mad.

Can't fait for the same to happen on blue, only a matter of time considering how toxic ST is.

[Arvan]

no issue, thanks for the dragon

https://i.imgur.com/4Pab3Xa.jpg

if you'll excuse me im gonna put this loot down the garbage disposal, because this server is 10x overfarmed for its timeline

Cringing for you

[Boptop]

If ST can’t join the rotations, does that mean they are not bound by rotations and may compete for any spawn?

I would think so

[druidbob]

If ST can’t join the rotations, does that mean they are not bound by rotations and may compete for any spawn?

Nah, the draft is GM enforced, they already said they would punish snipe crews.

[Boptop]

What if they claim diplomatic immunity as emissaries from Green? Or are you suggesting that the GMs don't "see color"?

[Nirgon]

Cringing for you

thanks for saving me the trouble

[Ashenden]

If you want in on the draft you have to form a guild with only characters that have never been tagged to a guild that kills raid targets. It doesn't matter when the last time those characters was used, only that they didn't detag from their guild back when Green launched.

Did KWSM have to kick all ex Riot and AMAGF members to prevent double dipping?

[Boptop]

Seems like an overly onerous rule. I like the defeating the champions of blue Mortal Kombat-esque suggestion to gain access that someone gave earlier in the thread.

[Arvan]

Seems like an overly onerous rule. I like the defeating the champions of blue Mortal Kombat-esque suggestion to gain access that someone gave earlier in the thread.

GMs give access that's about it

[Kelika2]

That month long ban and letting other guilds get some loot only incited more digital violence.

[Phatez]

I just want to kill dragons with my friends.

[adruidarkly]

I just want to kill dragons with my friends.

Might use some diversity in your hobbies if you want to do it full time on 2 servers. Don’t you get 7 non competitive dragons with your friends every weekend as it is on green? Omegayikes

[Akg49]

I just want to kill dragons with my friends.

no

[Settle]

I forgot how much more I enjoyed Blue after so much toxicity left for Green.

Please don't merge the servers. If this thread shows us anything, it's that these guys just want to bring their drama back with them.

[condap99]

I forgot how much more I enjoyed Blue after so much toxicity left for Green.

Please don't merge the servers. If this thread shows us anything, it's that these guys just want to bring their drama back with them.

I weep for how many times a day you must perceive yourself to be a victim. Your life must be very hard.

People who went to green just wanted to play classic with the classic timeline. No more. No less.

[Bach]

I just want to kill dragons with my friends.

Oh you want some welfare dragons now do you?

The tables, they turn!

[the_coyote]

Damn Green is so boring SealTeam is now raiding on Blue instead

[Nirgon]

Instead would mean they stopped raiding green.

Dictionary.com that one bud.

But even without that, instead would mean "in its stead" implying replacement. Looking forward to the further exposure of this bs "inclusive" "non toxic" raid environment.

[k9quaint]

KWSM rustles Greens.
Imagine being rustled by kittens...

[feniin]

Instead would mean they stopped raiding green.

Dictionary.com that one bud.

But even without that, instead would mean "in its stead" implying replacement. Looking forward to the further exposure of this bs "inclusive" "non toxic" raid environment.

I don't think anyone ever claimed blue was inclusive, healthy, or normal. They just don't want you idiots over here to shit in their outhouse.

[Blango]

I just want to kill dragons with my friends.

No one is denying you the opportunity to kill dragons, there are some in window now, get to tracking. People are upset because you aren't a competitive raid guild on this server and just want free pixels during the draft.

[Nirgon]

I mean you told us to consider blue... it's not looking good over here

[druidbob]

Any sort of draft or rotation exist on Green? Seal Team's desire to be part of the Blue draft clearly shows that they support a rotation system, other guilds on Green should point to that and get one going for themselves.

[karadin]

Any sort of draft or rotation exist on Green? Seal Team's desire to be part of the Blue draft clearly shows that they support a rotation system, other guilds on Green should point to that and get one going for themselves.

I fully support a serpentine draft on Green. Let's make it happen.

[xdrcfrx]

I fully support a serpentine draft on Green. Let's make it happen.

[Scalem]

I fully support a serpentine draft on Green. Let's make it happen.

Ironically ST would do everything they could to block that on Green.

[Boptop]

Any sort of draft or rotation exist on Green? Seal Team's desire to be part of the Blue draft clearly shows that they support a rotation system, other guilds on Green should point to that and get one going for themselves.

A fair point, indeed.

[Nirgon]

Galach says no, blue UN says no. It was an easily pierced veil of lies.

We are glad to have you compete on green. It's all good.

[Blango]

Galach says no, blue UN says no. It was an easily pierced veil of lies.

We are glad to have you compete on green. It's all good.

We are glad to have you compete on blue too. But coming to blue just for the draft to get free pixels isn't competing.

[k9quaint]

I fully support a serpentine draft on Green. Let's make it happen.

[OuterChimp]

There is no draft on Teal. We all raid whatever mob, whenever we want. Consider Teal.

[sydbarrett25]

I fully support a serpentine draft on Green. Let's make it happen.

[matticas]

you are a monster for using discord white mode

[BlackBellamy]

Hahaha P99 middle-management success strategies simulator. A competitive Vindi takedown will operationalize our serpentine draft entry and increase ROI. The second prize is a set of steak knives.

[Nirgon]

Hahaha P99 middle-management success strategies simulator. A competitive Vindi takedown will operationalize our serpentine draft entry and increase ROI. The second prize is a set of steak knives.

3rd place is you get shitty raid rulings on the real server for pissing G/M off

[Cassawary]

victory to the mods

[regandna]

In ST's defense, why would they not want to join a friggin draft? You guys are such hypocrites. Nobody wants to poop sock all day. That is what they are still doing on green. If the GM's created this precedent, ST should advocate for it on Green or be allowed to join in on Blue. If you were on green raiding you would want to come back to Blue too. They left likely for some of the same problems that this draft fixed.

[feniin]

The draft, other than the server wide raids, should be for active raiding guilds that compete at least somewhat regularly. Kittens, Riot, Freedom/AG. 3 slots. That's more mobs for the server raids too.

[Scalem]

In ST's defense, why would they not want to join a friggin draft? You guys are such hypocrites. Nobody wants to poop sock all day. That is what they are still doing on green. If the GM's created this precedent, ST should advocate for it on Green or be allowed to join in on Blue. If you were on green raiding you would want to come back to Blue too. They left likely for some of the same problems that this draft fixed.

ST never left green. Them crying about being denied things on Blue is the exact same thing they do in the UN on green.

[Nirgon]

Wrong

[sydbarrett25]

https://youtu.be/RY7je7q0mB0

[Littul Jonn]

This is confusing, why can’t people practice on the beta server?

[k9quaint]

This is confusing, why can’t people practice on the beta server?

They can. They did. Just make a guild and get on the raceline for 16 hours like everyone else! :D

[Nirgon]

You have to prove you can get multiple Vindicators and face large amounts of hostility to join the rotated non toxic content. We are working on it.

[Zekayy]

I don't have a lot of faith that the people who are trying to game the system in a 22 year old elf simulator are all that bright.

you arent wrong

[Bach]

In ST's defense, why would they not want to join a friggin draft? You guys are such hypocrites. Nobody wants to poop sock all day. That is what they are still doing on green. If the GM's created this precedent, ST should advocate for it on Green or be allowed to join in on Blue. If you were on green raiding you would want to come back to Blue too. They left likely for some of the same problems that this draft fixed.

It is ST's fault there is no rotation on green and everyone is suffering 16hrs windows.

It serves them well being blocked from it on blue

[spiritsofrock]

Yea man Jesus that hurts my eyes

[Nirgon]

It is ST's fault there is no rotation on green and everyone is suffering 16hrs windows.

It serves them well being blocked from it on blue

Green has open raids every month.

No hoops to jump through or moving goal posts. No one flames you for doing it or asking to come. No one tries to deplatform you.

[Bach]

Green has open raids every month.

No hoops to jump through or moving goal posts. No one flames you for doing it or asking to come. No one tries to deplatform you.

Open raid on some targets hardly qualifies as a rotation.

Galach is on point willing to keep ST toxicity at bay.

[Nirgon]

So we allow people to openly raid targets once a month without a bunch of red tape, lies and moving goal posts.... and that's "more toxic". I am sorry, but you are wrong here. You just don't like your false narrative being torn down and that is understandable. It can be frustrating.

[k9quaint]

Green server is a certified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level#Biosafety_level_4 lab for the study of virulent pathogens. Please follow all safety protocols.

[xdrcfrx]

So we allow people to openly raid targets once a month without a bunch of red tape, lies and moving goal posts.... and that's "more toxic". I am sorry, but you are wrong here. You just don't like your false narrative being torn down and that is understandable. It can be frustrating.

Are there regular open raids for Trakanon? In VP? Or are open raids restricted to the Nagafen's and Faydedar's of the world?

[Twochain]

Gonna have to side with Seal Team on this one, assuming they snag a couple more Vindis before the next draft. Here's why.

-While their roster may comprise of some alts from F/AG + Riot + Kittens etc... so does Kittens. I know many raiders who have alts in Kittens, and have had them in the guild for years.

-It's hard to fault a guild for not being "active" on blue, when, Phatez didn't start pushing to take down content on blue until, what, a week ago?

-When was the last time a non F/AG+Riot guild killed a CONTESTED Vindi? Not, oh vulak is up and everyone is in tov Vindi. A 7pm, pull on spawn contested kill? I can't think of a recent one.

-Speaking of contesting, when was the last time a non F/AG+RIOT guild killed a CONTESTED VULAK? Sadly, i'd put a $1000 that Seal Team could compete for a contested Vulak before ANY of the other guilds could. With maybe the exception of Kittens teaming up with Riot. If Phatez wanted to compete for Vulak, he could probably do so within a month or two. So it wouldn't be fair to say Seal Team is getting "free" mobs..... when aegis getting first pick in the snake draft and selecting Vulak is a possibility.

- <Seal Team> ... while it may be a new entity, is comprised mostly of semi-retired blue players. I saw a lot of ex AM/AW names tagged in Seal Team that I haven't seen forever. If 30-40 geared players looking to take down one or two raid mobs a week isn't a raiding guild... IDK what is.

- My vision for the server post green is that green's characters dumps into blue after it's timeline is over, and the top dog of velious competes with the top guilds of blue. That would be a blast for a couple months. (Although, 3 entities competing in TOV atm is completely broken due to rooted dragons. Guild A gets FTE, Guild B trains, guild C takes the mob for free - Wasn't nearly as much as an issue pre root) .... might as well get used to it now. As I see a day <Seal Team> competes on blue.

-Phatez, along with <Seal Team's> Officer core (from what I understand) haven't played on blue in a long time. This isn't a case of an active blue raid leader looking to cash in on some free loot for their alts. Which was frowned upon in the class system. This is a new situation, where a certain number of players who play on Green wants to do some Blue content. You should be allowed to compete on two servers if you want.

[xdrcfrx]

Shocking. Former <Aftermath> player sides with other former <Aftermath> players. Who could imagine?

It's not about checking specific boxes, like "oh we killed a Vindi on such and such date," and contesting Vulak is never going to be the bar for guilds to participate in the draft.

Seal Team, a group with 0 active presence on blue, wants to take part in events that are designed for the blue community. Maybe if instead of trolling that community, they tried just coming and being a part of it, they'd get less pushback.

[Daloon]

I just dont like the cocky vibes that Kittens give out lately.

You are meant to be the "better half" of the community, and here you are shitting it all up once again. We need either a new Kittens or new leadership ASAP to fix the branding.

[Croco]

I just dont like the cocky vibes that Kittens give out lately.

You are meant to be the "better half" of the community, and here you are shitting it all up once again. We need either a new Kittens or new leadership ASAP to fix the branding.

Yeah don't you kittens know there's only 1 guild that's allowed to be cocky and shit it up everywhere?! Kittens trying to dethrone Freedom wonders will never cease. Then again kittens does have more solo raid kills than freedom so maybe this was bound to happen.

[Nirgon]

I didn't see any ntov dragons or klandi/zlandi in your free rotation either.

Perhaps the possibility exists but we've been unable to discover the faster than light speed goal posts on the move.

I truly believe we're gonna get you there on understanding this situation. In the mean time, come for the open raid targets on green and see how simple it is. People show up, kill the mob and roll on the drops. There's no red tape like "has this person ever killed a raid mob in everquest before".

I mean, just think of the precedent being set. Are you going to tell TLP guilds that want to come over and play that they're "a TLP guild" that has killed the statue and fear golems before? Or call anyone a troll who makes good on meeting criteria and then throw them out of the UN?

Want you to seriously consider,
D.N., DDS

[druidbob]

Do a /all seal on Blue right now, zero players online. Same thing yesterday. They logged on to kill vindi, again to kill naggy, and haven't been seen since. They have no intention of actually playing on Blue. That's not an active guild, that's a snipe crew. We see it, and so do the GMs.

[Nirgon]

All of my characters are level 60 and raid ready. I don't need more alts on the overfarmed beta. In fact, I have a 60 of every class. We are interested in testing mobs on the beta, it is that simple. Any "trolling" is due to us responding to how absolutely ridiculous your claims are, or continuing to move goal posts that shouldn't exist to begin with.

[Snaggles]

Out of curiosity I've done a /w all and usually find 3 people or less from Seal Team online. I don't know when they play but it doesn't speak to the active presence on Blue.

Doing a /w all for Riot, AG, and Kittens frequently nets "Your request was cut short...too many players". Freedom seems more likely to return a specific number (at the moment 16) but I've seen this message quite often with them as well. For comparison, nobody from ST is currently online.

So the question (to me) is what determines a raid presence and are these players simply offline when I am not or are they being shuffled around via clever guild removals/inviting. Is one vindi kill and one naggy kill sufficient or is it a stunt to meet the bare minimum requirement?

[Snaggles]

Do a /all seal on Blue right now, zero players online. Same thing yesterday. They logged on to kill vindi, again to kill naggy, and haven't been seen since. They have no intention of actually playing on Blue. That's not an active guild, that's a snipe crew. We see it, and so do the GMs.

I was posting this same thing after noticing it. Very odd.

[xdrcfrx]

All of my characters are level 60 and raid ready. I don't need more alts on the overfarmed beta. In fact, I have a 60 of every class. We are interested in testing mobs on the beta, it is that simple. Any "trolling" is due to us responding to how absolutely ridiculous your claims are, or continuing to move goal posts that shouldn't exist to begin with.

Lol you guys showed up in October when FRAG and Riot were banned, and the unbanned guilds that had worked out things between themselves were reasonably accommodating, if I recall.

Asking on 12/31/20, like 12 hours before the first draft took place, to also enter is 100% trolling. The way you're going about it now is trolling. It is plainly obvious. You can tell by the way that it is.

If you want to test mobs, then set up a test server.

[Nirgon]

Naw I only showed up for the recent Vindis.

Phatez can deal with all the beta red tape, high emotions UN and various bans from it/reinvites. I've seen the sickness of this server and have long known the dragons sickness that lies on even the Kunark mobs here.

Maybe the "troll" comments will stop if you just play with a straight deck and quit being so hostile to him.

[strongNpretty]

All of my characters are level 60 and raid ready. I don't need more alts on the overfarmed beta. In fact, I have a 60 of every class. We are interested in testing mobs on the beta, it is that simple. Any "trolling" is due to us responding to how absolutely ridiculous your claims are, or continuing to move goal posts that shouldn't exist to begin with.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!! Dude.. This has to be what you look like.... Honestly, how can i not assume that's your physical appearance.. You need to get figure out how to move your legs again my man..

https://i.imgur.com/OvDxvfY.jpg

[strongNpretty]

Another possibility of Nirgon's physical appearance in 2021. Krang lookin ma'fucka.
https://i.imgur.com/tLEWTOk.jpg

[Nirgon]

Haha whew I love this guy

[Nirgon]

If you want to give us our own personal replica copy of p99 beta, be my guest. Out of the box eq emu servers aren't of use to us.

[xdrcfrx]

lookatchu bro

[Twochain]

Shocking. Former <Aftermath> player sides with other former <Aftermath> players. Who could imagine?

It's not about checking specific boxes, like "oh we killed a Vindi on such and such date," and contesting Vulak is never going to be the bar for guilds to participate in the draft.

Seal Team, a group with 0 active presence on blue, wants to take part in events that are designed for the blue community. Maybe if instead of trolling that community, they tried just coming and being a part of it, they'd get less pushback.

Look if you want to talk about the blue community.... you're talking about players who spent over a decade on it. Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community. Many of those players in <Seal Team> helped theorycraft raid strategies we use to this day on Blue.

Phatez said some trolly shit, but i'm sure that's because how dismissive everyone was about it right off the bat.

Now, i'm not saying 1 vindi = serpentine draft entry, i'd like to see them attempt to compete/kill a mob once or twice a week. But outright dismissal due to their focus on the green server is wrong in my elf law opinion.

[xdrcfrx]

Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community.


That's exactly what it means! They willingly left to go play on another server, which is totally fine. But "haven't been around in the last 18 months" doesn't exactly add up to "am an active member of the community." 18 months is kind of a long time. (query: if you were in AM, and didn't attend a raid for 18 months, were you still in AM, or did you get removed for inactivity? Were you still allowed to spend DKP, or did you need to maintain a R.A. over a certain percentage?)

I otherwise agree with the rest of your comment, mostly. If they are around and have a legitimate sustained presence on blue, then cool please join us in the community events, for the community of which you are a part! Showing up just to spite everyone else doesn't inspire a ton of good will, however.

[Danth]

We are interested in testing mobs on the beta, it is that simple.

Since you guys don't care about pixels, care if I tag along if/when you get your draft and loot anything I like? Can't stand raiding on P99, so that's the only way I'd ever get that stuff.

----------------------------------------

Said it before, I'll say it again: Doesn't hurt to hash out the criteria for a new entity to join the "draft." Other new guilds will form over time, as well, regardless of where the players come from. If "reasonably constant activity on Blue" is one requirement, that's fair enough, but it ought to be spelled out someplace where everyone can see it. Would prefer a strict policy rather than something left up to interpretation or else you'll quite inevitably see a circle-the-wagons mentality as the present guilds do their best "Class R big guilds" impersonation and attempt to interpret any and all newcomers out of qualification for this or that reason. Pixel Sickness does that to guilds--so count on it and plan for it.

Danth

[Twochain]

That's exactly what it means! They willingly left to go play on another server, which is totally fine. But "haven't been around in the last 18 months" doesn't exactly add up to "am an active member of the community." 18 months is kind of a long time. (query: if you were in AM, and didn't attend a raid for 18 months, were you still in AM, or did you get removed for inactivity? Were you still allowed to spend DKP, or did you need to maintain a R.A. over a certain percentage?)

I otherwise agree with the rest of your comment, mostly. If they are around and have a legitimate sustained presence on blue, then cool please join us in the community events, for the community of which you are a part! Showing up just to spite everyone else doesn't inspire a ton of good will, however.

It shouldn't matter how long/why they haven't been active on Blue. You're talking about raid leaders who have been here since the <TMO> days and beyond. On top of that, 99% of their raiders would immediately be invited into ANY top raid guild on blue if they wished to do so individually. Which leads back in to "removing for inactivity"..

If Franswa, who is kind of the grandfather of Riot, wanted to come back and do a <Core> style guild where 30-40 of his peoples competed for some mobs, i'd argue the same for his guild entering the draft.

[Arvan]

Look if you want to talk about the blue community.... you're talking about players who spent over a decade on it. Just because they haven't been around for the last 18 months because they were enjoying our communities new fresh classic server, doesn't mean that they are not part of our community. Many of those players in <Seal Team> helped theorycraft raid strategies we use to this day on Blue.

Phatez said some trolly shit, but i'm sure that's because how dismissive everyone was about it right off the bat.

Now, i'm not saying 1 vindi = serpentine draft entry, i'd like to see them attempt to compete/kill a mob once or twice a week. But outright dismissal due to their focus on the green server is wrong in my elf law opinion.

0 seal team online all day yesterday and today, I'll keep you in the loop!

[xdrcfrx]

It shouldn't matter how long/why they haven't been active on Blue. You're talking about raid leaders who have been here since the <TMO> days and beyond. On top of that, 99% of their raiders would immediately be invited into ANY top raid guild on blue if they wished to do so individually. Which leads back in to "removing for inactivity"..

If Franswa, who is kind of the grandfather of Riot, wanted to come back and do a <Core> style guild where 30-40 of his peoples competed for some mobs, i'd argue the same for his guild entering the draft.

If people that haven't been around in years want to come back, by all means. If they all come back and are invited to blue guilds, cool! If they want to start a new blue guild, also great! But it's ridiculous to assert, after being absent for a year or more, that you are an active member of the community and should be able to benefit from events established for that community. Can they re-join the blue community if they want to? Of course. Have they done that, yet? No, they have not. Galach's comment from the 1st draft was that GM's don't want alt-guilds and guilds that exist just for the draft. That's exactly what Seal Team is right now. Doesn't mean that's what they'll be in the future, but it is the present reality.

If they really want to have a sustained presence on blue, that'll bear itself out over time.

[strongNpretty]

People need to fucking retire from this game man..

[k9quaint]

It is nice that some folks on Green have realized the error of their ways and have come crawling back to Blue begging for pixels.
Perhaps if they streamed the deletion their Green toons as a sign of commitment to the Blue raid scene, the GMs might take them seriously.

[matticas]

People need to fucking retire from this game man..

[Keebz]

It's really weird seeing a bunch of relative newcomers try to gate keep a handful of blue server legends.

Hate to break it to yall, but whatever bar to entry you set, Seal Team is very likely going to meet it.

[Arvan]

It's really weird seeing a bunch of relative newcomers try to gate keep a handful of blue server legends.

Hate to break it to yall, but whatever bar to entry you set, Seal Team is very likely going to meet it.

You would be surprised how many old timers there are in the casual guilds - they just choose not to join the toxic neckbeards

[Nirgon]

the kind of toxic neckbeards that would make up this whole rigged system of raid rules or?

[Samoht]

-When was the last time a non F/AG+Riot guild killed a CONTESTED Vindi? Not, oh vulak is up and everyone is in tov Vindi. A 7pm, pull on spawn contested kill? I can't think of a recent one.

Is this sarcasm? Because this is almost a daily occurrence. They even dunked on ST directly just an hour or so before your post.

[Daloon]

Is this sarcasm? Because this is almost a daily occurrence. They even dunked on ST directly just an hour or so before your post.
This aint 2020 buddy. Vindi is insta pull now, and has been for the majority of the last 50 kills or so.

[Twochain]

Is this sarcasm? Because this is almost a daily occurrence. They even dunked on ST directly just an hour or so before your post.

? I think you're confused. I said a non Freedom/Azure Guard/Riot guild.

[Foxplay]

It's really weird seeing a bunch of relative newcomers try to gate keep a handful of blue server legends.

Hate to break it to yall, but whatever bar to entry you set, Seal Team is very likely going to meet it.

If the bar is set to not be a toxic piece of shit trying to be ultra greedy on 2 servers then no they won't meet that bar

[Arvan]

the kind of toxic neckbeards that would make up this whole rigged system of raid rules or?

2 seal team online right now! They are truly a very active guild on blue. I think they should get all the slots they want.

[Vianna]

2 seal team online right now! They are truly a very active guild on blue. I think they should get all the slots they want.

So you are spending your time tracking their numbers.

[Nirgon]

I mean first they want us to go away now they want us on all the time

[boukk]

So we allow people to openly raid targets once a month without a bunch of red tape, lies and moving goal posts.... and that's "more toxic". I am sorry, but you are wrong here. You just don't like your false narrative being torn down and that is understandable. It can be frustrating.
You allow?

Perfect exemple of ST thinking they own the server.

And yes crushing a few target with random 300 people once a month isn't rotating weekly targets.

[boukk]

Gonna have to side with Seal Team on this one, assuming they snag a couple more Vindis before the next draft. Here's why.

-While their roster may comprise of some alts from F/AG + Riot + Kittens etc... so does Kittens. I know many raiders who have alts in Kittens, and have had them in the guild for years.

-It's hard to fault a guild for not being "active" on blue, when, Phatez didn't start pushing to take down content on blue until, what, a week ago?

-When was the last time a non F/AG+Riot guild killed a CONTESTED Vindi? Not, oh vulak is up and everyone is in tov Vindi. A 7pm, pull on spawn contested kill? I can't think of a recent one.

-Speaking of contesting, when was the last time a non F/AG+RIOT guild killed a CONTESTED VULAK? Sadly, i'd put a $1000 that Seal Team could compete for a contested Vulak before ANY of the other guilds could. With maybe the exception of Kittens teaming up with Riot. If Phatez wanted to compete for Vulak, he could probably do so within a month or two. So it wouldn't be fair to say Seal Team is getting "free" mobs..... when aegis getting first pick in the snake draft and selecting Vulak is a possibility.

- <Seal Team> ... while it may be a new entity, is comprised mostly of semi-retired blue players. I saw a lot of ex AM/AW names tagged in Seal Team that I haven't seen forever. If 30-40 geared players looking to take down one or two raid mobs a week isn't a raiding guild... IDK what is.

- My vision for the server post green is that green's characters dumps into blue after it's timeline is over, and the top dog of velious competes with the top guilds of blue. That would be a blast for a couple months. (Although, 3 entities competing in TOV atm is completely broken due to rooted dragons. Guild A gets FTE, Guild B trains, guild C takes the mob for free - Wasn't nearly as much as an issue pre root) .... might as well get used to it now. As I see a day <Seal Team> competes on blue.

-Phatez, along with <Seal Team's> Officer core (from what I understand) haven't played on blue in a long time. This isn't a case of an active blue raid leader looking to cash in on some free loot for their alts. Which was frowned upon in the class system. This is a new situation, where a certain number of players who play on Green wants to do some Blue content. You should be allowed to compete on two servers if you want.

Sure, once they agree to stop blocking content and agree to a rotation on green.

Until then screw em.

[Twochain]

I agree with the kittens sentiment that the purpose of the serpentine draft was to provide the casual community a chance to experience encounters they otherwise wouldn’t. Also ST didn’t exactly do itself any favors by leading with the “where do I sign up for free mobs” statement.

Still, there should be a barrier of entry. ST has ran the green server pretty much since day 1. So in my opinion, they should be held to a little bit higher standard than an established blue leveling guild who managed to take down a vindi.

So what would that barrier be? Tov and velious targets would be close to unfair, as you don’t see non friotag guilds take them down. Vindi is a decent measuring stick.

Player requirements for guild? I think 50 individual players with a level 50+ Is a good number. Assuming 60% of the raid force would show up during prime time raid batphones, thats enough people to take down most content.

I think we should require them to win a contested (non earthquake) kunark dragon + maybe 1 more naggy/vox/fear golem.

Sev, gore, VP. Vp dragons can be done with as low as 9-10 people. If they can snag one, let them on. I can guarantee that we would go hard in the paint to beat them. I personally would find it hilarious to beat their asses in their own kunark ass content. I hate VP, but I would show up to a VP sock If I was around if it meant beating ST in Kunark.

[Twochain]

Sure, once they agree to stop blocking content and agree to a rotation on green.

Until then screw em.

Huh?? I guess out of the loop on green raiding.... (srs) what content are they blocking and what mobs are you suggesting need to be rotated

[Phatez]

I agree with the kittens sentiment that the purpose of the serpentine draft was to provide the casual community a chance to experience encounters they otherwise wouldn’t. Also ST didn’t exactly do itself any favors by leading with the “where do I sign up for free mobs” statement.

Still, there should be a barrier of entry. ST has ran the green server pretty much since day 1. So in my opinion, they should be held to a little bit higher standard than an established blue leveling guild who managed to take down a vindi.

So what would that barrier be? Tov and velious targets would be close to unfair, as you don’t see non friotag guilds take them down. Vindi is a decent measuring stick.

Player requirements for guild? I think 50 individual players with a level 50+ Is a good number. Assuming 60% of the raid force would show up during prime time raid batphones, thats enough people to take down most content.

I think we should require them to win a contested (non earthquake) kunark dragon + maybe 1 more naggy/vox/fear golem.

Sev, gore, VP. Vp dragons can be done with as low as 9-10 people. If they can snag one, let them on. I can guarantee that we would go hard in the paint to beat them. I personally would find it hilarious to beat their asses in their own kunark ass content. I hate VP, but I would show up to a VP sock If I was around if it meant beating ST in Kunark.

Better see you on the line for gore tomorrow my friend.

[Dolalin]

you are a monster for using discord white mode

[boukk]

Huh?? I guess out of the loop on green raiding.... (srs) what content are they blocking and what mobs are you suggesting need to be rotated

None, just thought I would jump on the bandwaggon and start throwing some flames too :D

Although some green rotated would be good too, was discussed at some point then was buried for some reason.

I don't care what happens on blue:cool:

[Nirgon]

You allow?

Perfect exemple of ST thinking they own the server.

And yes crushing a few target with random 300 people once a month isn't rotating weekly targets.

Okay replace allow with.... don't go hard for those targets and share them during that time?

Your system is a fraud, your server is incredibly toxic.

[Erati]

Gore w 9-10 people?

Would be quite a kill in the SoulFireless / No Push era.

[xdrcfrx]

Gore w 9-10 people?

Would be quite a kill in the SoulFireless / No Push era.

one day I will achieve my dream of a druid-only gorenaire kill.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

There's an easy way to solve this so everyone gets what they want

Is ST is going to be an active presence on blue allow them into the draft

If ST is like twochainz says and a bunch of frag/riot/kitttens/insertguildnamehere alts then at the end of the draft week compare isp/hwid/client logs to the encounter logs and permanently ban any accounts that double dip

This will ensure that ST is a legitimate stand alone entity and will punish those who undermine the draft by double dipping... win/win

[Nirgon]

Ahhha no no. We are as active as we have time. None of us to my knowledge need to do any further xping or farming entry level items. So we will log in for the pops we have numbers for.

You don't get to make up new rules on the fly... well maybe you do. I can't imagine staff agreeing to this but maybe they're just exhausted from it and following the path of least resistance.

The system offered has been exposed as a fraud.

Green (not specifically ST) allows for open raiding. There's no games, gimmicks or moving goal posts. You show up and roll on items. You can even ask to be the person who pulls or tanks if you seem able.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Soooo you want in but you don't want to have consequences for double dipping the draft ( something GMs have already said they don't want )


It sounds like your a bunch of alts that want to double dip and undermine the draft for selfish reasons... if you aren't and want to be a legitimate part of the blue scene this shouldn't be an issue

[Nexii]

Gore w 9-10 people?

Would be quite a kill in the SoulFireless / No Push era.

Doable with the right tactics

[Nirgon]

Where did this double dipping shit come from.

A bunch of us dug up our old blue chars to practice competing for Velious mobs.

I've seen this bogus alt guild narrative on green. Makes me wonder if there's some dots to connect. It is fraudulent and scummy.

Spend more time being inviting and less time rigging your rule system. Maybe your friendly open environment narrative will hold up better if ya do. It is currently in shambles

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

You can blame twochainz for the double dipping response as he said in a previous post that ST is just a bunch of frag/riot/kittens etc alts... the GMs have said they don't want farm crews or ALT guilds popping up for the drafts... if your not a bunch of blue alts this shouldn't be an issue

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

one day I will achieve my dream of a druid-only gorenaire kill.


Project wildfire!

[Nirgon]

We've competed for Vindi and won. We met the criteria. We are interested in getting some practice on Velious targets. Playing TLP or another p99 server (beta or live) has nothing to do with this and is the crux of this whole stupid oppositional argument.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

We've competed for Vindi and won. We met the criteria. We are interested in getting some practice on Velious targets. Playing TLP or another p99 server (beta or live) has nothing to do with this and is the crux of this whole stupid oppositional argument.

So your all experienced blue raiders but you need practice on velious targets? Does this not make sense to anyone else?

[7thGate]

I know Artelius at least was at one point working a plan that I strongly suspect would have a decent chance of executing a 10 man gore. Of course, when he was active with Aegis, it didn't really matter because we can't actually get a gore FTE. I would be both impressed and relatively unsurprised if Seal Team could execute that. If you gave them an open shot with a day to try different stuff out and made that the pass criteria for draft entrance, I can think of multiple approaches that might work and I bet they could pull one off.

On a tangent, I would love to see a low man gorenaire competition some day actually, where groups bid a number of people and the lowest bid gets to try first until someone succeeds. It would be interesting to see what people try.

[xdrcfrx]

On a tangent, I would love to see a low man gorenaire competition some day actually, where groups bid a number of people and the lowest bid gets to try first until someone succeeds. It would be interesting to see what people try.

This sounds fun AF. Creative thought!

[Arvan]

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[Nirgon]

Listen, we can obviously kill the mobs. We aren't asking for practice as a progressionary measure. Hell, I'd hope no serious guild still needs progression attempts or anything even AoW at this point. The purpose of doing this is to become more efficient, and get back in the Velious rhythm before it launches with an unawakened Kerafym on green No one should have a problem with that and be twisting all this nonsense up about it.

[Trademarked]

Phatez can deal with all the beta red tape, high emotions UN and various bans from it/reinvites.

Maybe the "troll" comments will stop if you just play with a straight deck and quit being so hostile to him.

Hostile to him? You mean the guy that came into Blue UN and started calling other guilds filth? Yeah, he's the shining beacon of decorum that all other guilds should aspire to.

The guy also said his guild is a composite of other guilds' alts and exists specifically to double dip in the draft because all other guilds do it. And you wonder why <ST> is being refused a spot.

Lots of dragons to be had with his friends as he's so adamantly gungho for, just doesn't have the drive to actually go out and do it. That's on <ST>.

Blue also hosts open raids quarterly, as per GM slotted draft spots, and <ST> gets to fulfill that desire to "kill dragons with my friends", that literally no one is preventing those members from participation, so can spare everyone from that self pity party.

[regandna]

You can blame twochainz for the double dipping response as he said in a previous post that ST is just a bunch of frag/riot/kittens etc alts... the GMs have said they don't want farm crews or ALT guilds popping up for the drafts... if your not a bunch of blue alts this shouldn't be an issue

I am following your logic, but it is BS. What is Lighthouse then? An accumulation of mainly alts or mains from other raid guilds? And Aegis has a shit ton of members in Riot. Namely from their Europa side. So that logic is flawed my friend.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Listen, we can obviously kill the mobs. We aren't asking for practice as a progressionary measure. Hell, I'd hope no serious guild still needs progression attempts or anything even AoW at this point. The purpose of doing this is to become more efficient, and get back in the Velious rhythm before it launches with an unawakened Kerafym on green No one should have a problem with that and be twisting all this nonsense up about it.

So you don't actually need practice killing them? You already know how?

[regandna]

Lighthouse would never be able to compete for shit beyond Vindi, if even Vindi if they were in a push. They get that mob-handed to them weekly through their Riot and other connections. They are also good people who are more in it for the thrill and not the pixels, per se. But if they can be in the draft why cant ST? Lighthouse is essentially a farm crew at that point. Kittens, AEGIS, Riot, DB, and other guild members who lose out on their guilds draft will dip in with them, right?

I say just throw ST the low hanging fruit. They should create tiers for the draft. No guild who cant kill a Vulak should be getting a draft for a Vulak. But I think running an exclusive club house is also BS.

[Erati]

Doable with the right tactics

BardFTE+MT group
BEEFY Paladin
Wizardx7
Druidx1

Could prob do it if all heals are reapers or worts and Wizards each have Confal wands.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

I am following your logic, but it is BS. What is Lighthouse then? An accumulation of mainly alts or mains from other raid guilds? And Aegis has a shit ton of members in Riot. Namely from their Europa side. So that logic is flawed my friend.

The logic is not flawed... it just needs to be enforced equally for all entities

[xdrcfrx]

But if they can be in the draft why cant ST?

Because they are an active organization on blue, and ST is not?

If ST wants to be the equivalent of 5th year seniors in high school, more power to 'em I guess. Seems weird for a group of people who constantly prate at the rest of us that the beta is over, though.

[Nirgon]

stuff

So he joined the channel and called everything filth. That's exactly how it happened huh?

And as a 30+ yr old "grown ass man" you were really so hurt and offended by it, he has to be banned from the channel for that reason?

You exposed yourselves then and have again here.

[Twochain]

My point was that there WILL be overlap, not that the entirety of ST is all already in FRiotAG. Since the green server opened, blue population is on average down about 300-500 people. Meaning at MINIMUM 1000 overall players stopped playing actively on blue, and started playing on Green. There are a lot of people in ST that are not and have not been in an active raiding guild on blue for a while.

[druidbob]

So he joined the channel and called everything filth. That's exactly how it happened huh?

And as a 30+ yr old "grown ass man" you were really so hurt and offended by it, he has to be banned from the channel for that reason?

You exposed yourselves then and have again here.

You keep saying he was banned from the UN, a quick check in the channel shows Phatez is still in there.

[Nirgon]

He was banned for saying someone or some guild was filth based on the flak he got. I think you read what I said and are still being dense intentionally.

I guess a GM stepped in and reinvited? Who removed him? Who reinvited him? My point above stands. Your depiction of the events is intentionally lacking your end of things.

The fraud has been exposed in this supposedly warm, inviting beta server culture. Will you correct it and get on Green's level?

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

He was banned for saying someone or some guild was filth based on the flak he got. I think you read what I said and are still being dense intentionally.

I guess a GM stepped in and reinvited? Who removed him? Who reinvited him? My point above stands. Your depiction of the events is intentionally lacking your end of things.

The fraud has been exposed in this supposedly warm, inviting beta server culture. Will you correct it and get on Green's level?


Why? The beta is over remember?

[Naethyn]

I’ve discover that this is actually a plot by ST to recruit the longtime blue players who were left behind. Steal team isn’t after your pixels, they are after your players.

[druidbob]

He was banned for saying someone or some guild was filth based on the flak he got. I think you read what I said and are still being dense intentionally.

I guess a GM stepped in and reinvited? Who removed him? Who reinvited him? My point above stands. Your depiction of the events is intentionally lacking your end of things.

The fraud has been exposed in this supposedly warm, inviting beta server culture. Will you correct it and get on Green's level?

Once again, ten seconds of checking the discord shows that he was never kicked, because he only joined the channel once. If he was kicked and came back, there would be a message on the welcome page. He was never removed, either someone lied to you or you are the one being intentionally dense.

[xdrcfrx]

Listen, we can obviously kill the mobs. We aren't asking for practice as a progressionary measure. Hell, I'd hope no serious guild still needs progression attempts or anything even AoW at this point. The purpose of doing this is to become more efficient, and get back in the Velious rhythm before it launches with an unawakened Kerafym on green No one should have a problem with that and be twisting all this nonsense up about it.

Then why are you also trying to get in on the golem races? Do you guys needs practice on those, too?

[Danth]

I’ve discover that this is actually a plot by ST to recruit the longtime blue players who were left behind. Steal team isn’t after your pixels, they are after your players.

Heck I've been thinking of joining. I'm not in a guild right now anyway. I don't think I meet requirements though (I don't use discord) and I'm not really all that interested in regular raiding but maybe I'll drop by and say "hello" if I see 'em online sometime.

Danth

[Local]

Listen, we can obviously kill the mobs. We aren't asking for practice as a progressionary measure. Hell, I'd hope no serious guild still needs progression attempts or anything even AoW at this point. The purpose of doing this is to become more efficient, and get back in the Velious rhythm before it launches with an unawakened Kerafym on green No one should have a problem with that and be twisting all this nonsense up about it.

Lotta goal post moving from the guy complaining about goal post moving.

[Arvan]

Listen, we can obviously kill the mobs. We aren't asking for practice as a progressionary measure. Hell, I'd hope no serious guild still needs progression attempts or anything even AoW at this point. The purpose of doing this is to become more efficient, and get back in the Velious rhythm before it launches with an unawakened Kerafym on green No one should have a problem with that and be twisting all this nonsense up about it.

Goalpost moved waaaaay back to the outfield folks!

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

Listen, we can obviously kill the mobs. We aren't asking for practice as a progressionary measure. Hell, I'd hope no serious guild still needs progression attempts or anything even AoW at this point. The purpose of doing this is to become more efficient, and get back in the Velious rhythm before it launches with an unawakened Kerafym on green No one should have a problem with that and be twisting all this nonsense up about it.

Oof


Did you mean to move the goal post that far? Or was that just foot in mouth?

[Nirgon]

Then why are you also trying to get in on the golem races? Do you guys needs practice on those, too?

Yes



Lotta goal post moving from the guy complaining about goal post moving.

No

[xdrcfrx]

yeah, feels like the goal posts are movin' here from practice to somewhere else. oh how the turn tables.

[Nirgon]

Explain?

I suggested you get on Green's level and be more inclusive. That's not you completing a requirement then changing the requirements or still denying you things after the fact.

[sydbarrett25]

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[Boptop]

How about a staff sponsored pre-planned color blind inclusivity-based Earthquake that could include guilds from Green? From each according to their neckbeard, to each according to their needs.

[sydbarrett25]

Listen, we can obviously kill the mobs. We aren't asking for practice as a progressionary measure. Hell, I'd hope no serious guild still needs progression attempts or anything even AoW at this point. The purpose of doing this is to become more efficient, and get back in the Velious rhythm before it launches with an unawakened Kerafym on green No one should have a problem with that and be twisting all this nonsense up about it.

Because.... like trying to kill a dragon on green unrehearsed is not fun? Lets trivialize the game so much that its just work? I dont understand