Kingdom Does Not Run The Server

[Kareem2]

So many of you know me, and many have played with me. We have farmed, looted and had a blast. A lot of people don't know that I am one of the most hated people on the server, and allowed it to be that way as a joke for over 6 months. Sheat ends here.

There is a guild called Kingdom which did a great job at running a player run list on the AC List https://kingdomdkp.com/eqdkp/index.php/External/Ac-list-18.html for many months. Till I came along. I helped many guildies (and non-guildies) gets boots as they didn't farm them off Najena because most lacked the time involved. It wasn't the easiest of camp's.

Ive been accused of corpsing rings (against the rules) not handling the list as I should have (not true) and basically the worst dbag in the world. I've been good with that and anyone who knows me knows that its all BS.

I never broke a rule on server, nor was told i did anything wrong, and in fact the GM's never banned/suspended/reprimanded me in any way shape or form and yes they were there. In fact I have the log of the GM telling me he has never had so many complaints and simply asked me.. "Will you log out to put out this fire?" My response was simple. "Sure." and that's what I did.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D6CZo1HJXvm9cS9oe8_2OGp-lN3-1kqC/view?usp=sharing

If in fact, you simply log into your google, and read up on the right side chat list of that window, The GM even stated I did nothing wrong, and several players agreed with me then. Yet somehow, I am the biggest scumlord in the world.

I think this being the first 'helpful hint' needs to be addressed as it it clearly aimed at me and has absolutely no merit.

Just tonight when I was trying to do CoS/Idol camp Grimexe would not invite me and Raz from ST was grouped with him. I know grouping isn't required, but when your on a so called list it is standard to invite all there.

I am fine with you all hating me, and not even being able to see the truth, but the fact that website is allowed to slander my name for months when a GM personally responded to it is total BS. No guild should control a *truly* run player list as their bias will supersede what the hell is really going on.

Kingdom.. Get This BS off your website. Your slandering when no one did anything wrong.

I also expect a public apology.

Please feel free to ask a question if ya need...

Urbrutha Fromanothamotha
CI Till I die!!!

[derpcake2]

Anyone that plays along with that list is an idiot and can only blame themselves.

The people on the list usually aren't even online.

Elevated levels of stupidity involved.

[cd288]

Why is this rant not in rants and flames

[OuterChimp]

I harbor no hate towards anyone on this server....except them darn FP guards who always manage to gank the crap outta me when my invis goes down!

[guggle]

That kingdom list only applies to whoever can make it to the AC camp by the time the next placeholder spawns. Don't care if your next up but can't make it in time

[Tunabros]

cool story bro

[nyclin]

Urbrutha Fromanothamotha

this egregious violation of the naming policy has been noted, and reported

[Tuljin]

Kingdumb has many many Karens in it

[feniin]

cool story bro

[Gustoo]

Ya best takeaway is that somehow your name didn't get changed when you were talking to a guide.

All I see otherwise is how desperately PVP is needed here.

[Local]

Kingdumb has many many Karens in it

The Kingdom merger with <Karens of Karana> was a calculated decision that no one regrets.

[Seducio]

Kingdom has exactly one awesome individual: Eratani

The rest of Kingdom are girls.

Play accordingly

[Ezeakiell]

I have never heard of you until this post.

[Bardp1999]

What an immersion-breaking name OP

[loramin]

Ya best takeaway is that somehow your name didn't get changed when you were talking to a guide.

[reznor_]

Mods please move this to RnF

[Scalem]

Ya best takeaway is that somehow your name didn't get changed when you were talking to a guide.



I've made it a point to report any name that breaks the policy whenever I'm in EC and I can tell you that they basically don't change anyone's name. I've reported the same people with utterly stupid names that clearly violate the policy for months and nothing has happened.

[cd288]

I've made it a point to report any name that breaks the policy whenever I'm in EC and I can tell you that they basically don't change anyone's name. I've reported the same people with utterly stupid names that clearly violate the policy for months and nothing has happened.

Gonna guess that the limited time the unpaid volunteers have is dedicated toward dealing with more serious issues

[cd288]

Really hope this guy’s name gets changed just so his terrible post results in it lol

[TripSin]

Have seen so many terrible names, I don't think the name policy is actually enforced.

[Emberthorn]

Kingdom has exactly one awesome individual: Eratani

The rest of Kingdom are girls.

Play accordingly

Yeah so Kingdom = girls.

Girls = bad. Fucking sexist fuck.

Anyway, we all know that Kingdom doesn't run the server OP. Seal Team runs the server.

They're the only ones that have ever given a damn about this server unlike the rest of these other guilds.

[Seducio]

Why do you think girls are bad?

[sajbert]

So you’re saying that you didn’t corpse AC rings after being invited to the AC-list because I don’t see you saying that? Besides, I doubt the accusations are made up.

Wonderful thing about MMO’s is that your name matters. If you act like a D-bag people might just treat like one.

I had forgotten about you, thanks for reminding me what ur name was.

[guggle]

Corpse all the rings you want if no one else is at the camp. No one is making you participate in the kingdom /list. But don't complain if the current campholder is playing by the kingdom /list and you get passed over

[Seducio]

The opposite. If there is a Kingdom list it is your duty to ignore it.

There is no server-wide agreement about Kingdom lists. They are bs by definition. Kingdom creates these lists to attempt to leapfrog players following PnP.

Use server approved PnP and you'll be fine.

I don't know the OP but it is clear he knows this.

[Seducio]

TLDR:

Complain every time to Kingdom leadership anytime anyone in game ever refers you to a Kingdom list.

[Zyth]

Wait, we hate Kingdom now?

I thought Seal Team was the guild to hate on Green.

[feniin]

Seal Team is taking pointers from Freedom, apparently.

[Seducio]

Kingdom the guild is fine for what they provide their folks. There are members in the guild who know more than the leadership though as I mentioned above.

Kingdom lists out in the wild are worth hating. As far as I can tell this thread is about those lists not the guild as a whole.

[Tunabros]

Wait, we hate Kingdom now?

I thought Seal Team was the guild to hate on Green.

its only like 5 people who hate their guild

everyone just jumps on the bandwagon to hate on them because they got nothing to do

[tadkins]

Can someone explain to me what "corpsing rings" means? Genuinely curious, I've never really been to that area beyond buying mage spells.

[greenspectre]

Can someone explain to me what "corpsing rings" means? Genuinely curious, I've never really been to that area beyond buying mage spells.

So the Ring of the Ancients (for JBoots) is a Lore item. "Corpse"ing an item is when you have a lore item and die, then loot everything but your lore item. This enables you to loot a second Ring of the Ancients, and then you have a week to sell that MQ and loot your old corpse to sell another.

Alternatively, in Plane of Sky, people "corpse" their keys on the first island so they can raid sky again later that week without having to re-do the earlier islands and re-key.

Corpse'ing is a violation of server rules if there is somebody else who wants a camp, as when you get your loot you are supposed to pass the camp to next on list. However, if there is nobody available to take the camp by the time the next named spawns, then you aren't obliged to just leave the AC roaming around either.

[tadkins]

Ah, much appreciated, thank you. :)
I already was sort of familiar with the process (though I've only ever done it delivering bard letters when I happen to die mid-delivery, lol) just never heard that term before.

[adruidarkly]

This thing has been up like half a year and still so many don’t understand that the google doc has no authority it’s just an augmentation of the in game manual player list which also is of no authority. Whoever is at the camp when the camp holder gets their ring gets next period. If you do anything else than that you are going beyond your requirements just like this online list does.

You are right Kingdom doesn’t have shit for power over this but if you read that doc they obviously don’t assume they do, they are just the first to take initiative to address it. And it’s been wildly successful hundreds of rings coordinated fairly with only a few numbskulls causing problems. One probably is OP.

I will say at least the online list is auditable for corruption unlike the shady shit that historically went down at Hadden several times, likely from those who are vocally opposed to this augmentation.

[BlackBellamy]

Have seen so many terrible names, I don't think the name policy is actually enforced.

Good! You think some name is terrible but it doesn't affect you or your gameplay at all so why worry about it? Why be a snitch and ruin someone's good time?

[Local]

This thing has been up like half a year and still so many don’t understand that the google doc has no authority it’s just an augmentation of the in game manual player list which also is of no authority. Whoever is at the camp when the camp holder gets their ring gets next period. If you do anything else than that you are going beyond your requirements just like this online list does.

You are right Kingdom doesn’t have shit for power over this but if you read that doc they obviously don’t assume they do, they are just the first to take initiative to address it. And it’s been wildly successful hundreds of rings coordinated fairly with only a few numbskulls causing problems. One probably is OP.

I will say at least the online list is auditable for corruption unlike the shady shit that historically went down at Hadden several times, likely from those who are vocally opposed to this augmentation.

No. Begone with your sense making. We must cater to the vocal idiotic minority rather than the content majority. This is the way.

[Kareem2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elNPuU9Fsbo

Your Welcome.

To all the people bitching about my name. Get a damn life.

I never corpsed a damn thing. So... Again, re-read it and see what I am saying. They are causing serious defamation of character and yet at the same time acting like they run the list...

Urbro'

[OuterChimp]

Defamation of character, defamation of character, or defamation of character?

Are we talking in EQ, in P99 EQ, or in real life?

What if you defame the character of my character? Does this still count as defamation of character? Or would it count as defamation of a character's character?

I guess the real question is, can you really defame the character of a character without defaming the character of the character's owner? ...another question that just popped up, who truly owns the character?

[Kareem2]

Defamation of character, defamation of character, or defamation of character?

Are we talking in EQ, in P99 EQ, or in real life?

What if you defame the character of my character? Does this still count as defamation of character? Or would it count as defamation of a character's character?

I guess the real question is, can you really defame the character of a character without defaming the character of the character's owner? ...another question that just popped up, who truly owns the character?

Man I want some of the chit dis guy smoking!

Urbro'

[loramin]

This thing has been up like half a year and still so many don’t understand that the google doc has no authority it’s just an augmentation of the in game manual player list which also is of no authority. Whoever is at the camp when the camp holder gets their ring gets next period. If you do anything else than that you are going beyond your requirements just like this online list does.

I think you are half right. You are 100% correct that the google doc basically has no authority ... but if you follow that logic then "Whoever is at the camp when the camp holder gets their ring gets next period." doesn't naturally follow. Let me just use my Guise of the Dark Elf Lawyer to explain ...

https://i.imgur.com/KurGZJ8.jpg

If you check out https://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings#Camp_Waiting_Lists, you'll see that way back in 2014 GM Derubael clarified P99's list policy. I've added emphasis to three key sentences in his quote:

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt.

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

Thus, as I understand it, there is currently no obligation on any player to hand the camp to the next person on the list. The only obligation is that whoever they pick to get the camp next must be there, and they can't lie about who is next.

This rule would seem to encourage guilds to monopolize camps ... and they've done exactly that over the course of P99's history, as far back as year #2 of Kunark on Blue! https://wiki.project1999.com/Raid_History#Temple_of_Droga_Lock-Down

So, personally I would LOVE it if the staff came out and said "if you got a camp by waiting on a list, and there are still others on that list, you are obligated to A) maintain that list, B) keep its established rules, and C) pass the camp to the next person on that list". I'd love it even more if they said "if someone is waiting for a camp, you must create a list and add the person waiting as the first person on it (even if you want to give the camp to a friend/guildmate)" ...

... but unfortunately P99 history, GM quotes, etc. seems to instead suggest that you can wait on AC list, get the camp, and then hand it over to whoever you feel like (eg. a guild friend) after ... as long as they are there on time, and you don't lie and promise the camp to someone else.

P.S. Staff, I would be happy if you showed up here and told me how wrong I was, and how players are required to pass camps to the next person on the list. Please come tell me how wrong I am (and give us another helpful/clarifying quote in the process)!

[loramin]

P.S. The one thing that gives me hope I'm wrong is the staff's policy on "player agreements". While they've never officially clarified that player lists = agreements, they certainly seem like one to me. And we do have a staff quote saying you must follow player agreements ... when they involve rolling:

If everyone else is rolling and you decide that it doesn't apply to you, you're gonna have a bad time.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings#Player_Agreements_to_Roll_on_Mobs

[Sabin76]

P.S. Staff, I would be happy if you showed up here and told me how wrong I was, and how players are required to pass camps to the next person on the list. Please come tell me how wrong I am (and give us another helpful/clarifying quote in the process)!

A guild was allowed to monopolize the hierophant camp here on green for over a month, and now another guild has taken it over (not sure if they are monopolizing as I haven't been down there). This was in full view of the GMs (complained about in UN) and they did nothing about it.

[Local]

I think you are half right. You are 100% correct that the google doc basically has no authority ... but if you follow that logic then "Whoever is at the camp when the camp holder gets their ring gets next period." doesn't naturally follow. Let me just use my Guise of the Dark Elf Lawyer to explain ...

https://i.imgur.com/KurGZJ8.jpg

If you check out https://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings#Camp_Waiting_Lists, you'll see that way back in 2014 GM Derubael clarified P99's list policy. I've added emphasis to three key sentences in his quote:



Thus, as I understand it, there is currently no obligation on any player to hand the camp to the next person on the list. The only obligation is that whoever they pick to get the camp next must be there, and they can't lie about who is next.

This rule would seem to encourage guilds to monopolize camps ... and they've done exactly that over the course of P99's history, as far back as year #2 of Kunark on Blue! https://wiki.project1999.com/Raid_History#Temple_of_Droga_Lock-Down

So, personally I would LOVE it if the staff came out and said "if you got a camp by waiting on a list, and there are still others on that list, you are obligated to A) maintain that list, B) keep its established rules, and C) pass the camp to the next person on that list". I'd love it even more if they said "if someone is waiting for a camp, you must create a list and add the person waiting as the first person on it (even if you want to give the camp to a friend/guildmate)" ...

... but unfortunately P99 history, GM quotes, etc. seems to instead suggest that you can wait on AC list, get the camp, and then hand it over to whoever you feel like (eg. a guild friend) after ... as long as they are there on time, and you don't lie and promise the camp to someone else.

P.S. Staff, I would be happy if you showed up here and told me how wrong I was, and how players are required to pass camps to the next person on the list. Please come tell me how wrong I am (and give us another helpful/clarifying quote in the process)!

The citation from the wiki you quote is defunct. I cited the same when I was in the only camp dispute I've ever petitioned (over a Giant Fire Beetle Leg no less). Per Menden:

[Thu Oct 08 11:42:16 2020] Menden tells you, 'If a player chooses they can completely ignore you if they wish. They can also choose not to keep a list. It's their camp, their rules.'
[Thu Oct 08 11:43:18 2020] You told Menden, 'Gotcha. So the wiki is not accurate then on the Camp_Rules section?'
[Thu Oct 08 11:43:37 2020] Menden tells you, 'Pretty broad question, which part?'
[Thu Oct 08 11:44:19 2020] You told Menden, 'wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules'
[Thu Oct 08 11:44:29 2020] Menden tells you, '...'
[Thu Oct 08 11:44:32 2020] You told Menden, 'Last section titled "Camp Waiting Lists", )2 specifically'
[Thu Oct 08 11:44:39 2020] You told Menden, '2)*'
[Thu Oct 08 11:44:57 2020] You told Menden, 'per Derubael 10/22/2014'
[Thu Oct 08 11:45:01 2020] Menden tells you, 'The wiki is not accurate on many things. As far as waiting lists, staff do not provide any support when it comes to player driven lists.
[Thu Oct 08 11:45:29 2020] Menden tells you, 'We will set up if we feel a minority is monopolizing a camp. '

It's the wild west, friends.

[Fammaden]

I would like intervention on a minority of raid guilds monopolizing content then.

[Bigcountry23]

1) Amazed you are still around with such a black spot on your rep. Bust a deal and face the wheel.
2) This list is an amazing service to the community and I've always appreciated that Kingdom put it together (I personally wish all "list" camps on this server ran in this fashion).
3) This should be in R&F

[Seducio]

Local's CSR evidence looks pretty clear. Server approved PnP are the rules of the land.

This means it is every p99ers duty to ignore any Kingdom list. Complain about it directly to Kingdom leadership. CSR does not care about Kingdom lists. Neither should you.

Follow PnP and you will be fine.

[Local]

Local's CSR evidence looks pretty clear. Server approved PnP are the rules of the land.

This means it is every p99ers duty to ignore any Kingdom list. Complain about it directly to Kingdom leadership. CSR does not care about Kingdom lists. Neither should you.

Follow PnP and you will be fine.

That strategy definitely worked well in this instance.

[Bach]

The whole server made this list work and made the camp more manageable for all.

On the other hand there is selfish people like you who corpse rings and wipe lists.

People do not hate you, they just do not care about you and do not want to interact with you, and if CI leadership had any integrity they would get rid of you.

It's mostly idiots and seal team who complains about it, go figure, guys are toxic af

[greenspectre]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elNPuU9Fsbo


Dude, this has gotta be the smoothest jam I've heard in a while now.

[Xer0]

Ya best takeaway is that somehow your name didn't get changed when you were talking to a guide.

All I see otherwise is how desperately PVP is needed here.

the numbers speak for themselves. no one likes red.

[OuterChimp]

feels great not reading anything in this thread

I'm waiting for someone to give me the TLDR version of this...

[Nirgon]

So many of you know me, and many have played with me. We have farmed, looted and had a blast. A lot of people don't know that I am one of the most hated people on the server, and allowed it to be that way as a joke for over 6 months. Sheat ends here.

There is a guild called Kingdom which did a great job at running a player run list on the AC List https://kingdomdkp.com/eqdkp/index.php/External/Ac-list-18.html for many months. Till I came along. I helped many guildies (and non-guildies) gets boots as they didn't farm them off Najena because most lacked the time involved. It wasn't the easiest of camp's.

Ive been accused of corpsing rings (against the rules) not handling the list as I should have (not true) and basically the worst dbag in the world. I've been good with that and anyone who knows me knows that its all BS.

I never broke a rule on server, nor was told i did anything wrong, and in fact the GM's never banned/suspended/reprimanded me in any way shape or form and yes they were there. In fact I have the log of the GM telling me he has never had so many complaints and simply asked me.. "Will you log out to put out this fire?" My response was simple. "Sure." and that's what I did.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D6CZo1HJXvm9cS9oe8_2OGp-lN3-1kqC/view?usp=sharing

If in fact, you simply log into your google, and read up on the right side chat list of that window, The GM even stated I did nothing wrong, and several players agreed with me then. Yet somehow, I am the biggest scumlord in the world.

I think this being the first 'helpful hint' needs to be addressed as it it clearly aimed at me and has absolutely no merit.

Just tonight when I was trying to do CoS/Idol camp Grimexe would not invite me and Raz from ST was grouped with him. I know grouping isn't required, but when your on a so called list it is standard to invite all there.

I am fine with you all hating me, and not even being able to see the truth, but the fact that website is allowed to slander my name for months when a GM personally responded to it is total BS. No guild should control a *truly* run player list as their bias will supersede what the hell is really going on.

Kingdom.. Get This BS off your website. Your slandering when no one did anything wrong.

I also expect a public apology.

Please feel free to ask a question if ya need...

Urbrutha Fromanothamotha
CI Till I die!!!


Get in line, they still have to apologize to Ramal

[Kareem2]

Still waiting Kingdom.... I didn't go anywhere, and your BS Slander still on a page you host...

Fix this shit please.

Urbrutha'

[Kareem2]

Get in line, they still have to apologize to Ramal

Oh and btw... I expect an apology as requested.

GET UR DUN!

Urbrutha'

[Skarne]

Some of you guys need a parent or guardian to tell you when to get off Everquest for the day.

[Kareem2]

Some of you guys need a parent or guardian to tell you when to get off Everquest for the day.

I haven't logged in in 3 days.. You were saying?

[Kareem2]

HELPFUL HINTS:
* Invite Urbrutha at your own risk, last time he took the camp, he tried to corpse rings until a GM was called. Then he wiped the list. Do not give him edit access.

So basically your telling people to not invite me, as last time i was the only person there I wiped the the list (as anyone should) and a GM was called and found me of no wrong doings. Yet you also say I should not be able to edit the list... Hmmmm....

* This is a player-run list. It is not GM enforced, and <Kingdom> is not responsible for deviations.

But you basically are when you give direct orders to other players. "Do not give him edit access."

* Next on list has until the PH (following the previous holder’s AC) spawns to claim their turn, otherwise it will go to the next person down on the list (who is online and can engage that PH immediately)

That's exactly what I did...


* The list holder at the camp is the master of the list. This page is by no means meant to replace that, and rather meant to be a helpful tool. Go to the camp to get added by asking in /say. Do not add people from tells or ooc alone. List holder gets access to edit the list by going here https://docs.google.com/document/d/19UxBK8wVlS9o2QfqU1iMReqBq9SCldKhG9vVt-3eWtM/edit?usp=sharing and clicking the “request access” button at the top of the screen (may need a gmail account to do this).


I was the list holder as no one was online at that time. nor for the next 45 mins...

* When your turn is up, notify players in the order of the list via tell. As above, don't be a dick.

I did try. I did a /who to check zone, and I also checked the next 20 on list via tell... What the hell more am I supposed to do? Not to mention the 5 shouts in zone.. which are all in logs.

* Kingdom members on the list will try to keep this page and the in-game list in sync

Yea, I think I am seeing the problem now..... Kingdom controls the list.


Fire away you sob's, I have the logs. Tell me I am wrong please.

Urbrutha'

[Kareem2]

Again, Kingdom. Clean up that list, and issue a public apology for the defamation of my character in which you have caused.

Urbrutha'

[zaneosak]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Move on, brother.

[Scalem]

Big mad

[adruidarkly]

Fire away you sob's, I have the logs. Tell me I am wrong please.

Urbrutha'

well?

[Coridan]

Remove MQ. AC list issue solved.

[Kareem2]

Thank you kingdom for fixing your obviously biased page and deflecting to others you say not under your control!

The last step in correcting this issue is the formal public apology. I made this post 3 weeks ago and we just now got the list cleaned up.

I await it.....

Urbrutha'

[Kieel]

OP has autism / aspergers. Move to resolved.

[Local]

Hey <CI>, come get your boy.

[Tankwipe]

Why is this rant not in rants and flames

[Local]

Congrats, Urbrutha:

Kingdom will no longer be hosting this document on our website and will not be associated to Kingdom in anyway.

https://kingdomdkp.com/eqdkp/index.php/External/Ac-list-18.html

[Bach]

Local's CSR evidence looks pretty clear. Server approved PnP are the rules of the land.

This means it is every p99ers duty to ignore any Kingdom list. Complain about it directly to Kingdom leadership. CSR does not care about Kingdom lists. Neither should you.

Follow PnP and you will be fine.
Oh it's you, what a surprise.

You and the original poster def are a perfect fit.

Play nice policy as its name states encourages cooperation amongst players, unlike what you are advocating which is basically the opposite.

[Bach]

Congrats, Urbrutha:

Kingdom will no longer be hosting this document on our website and will not be associated to Kingdom in anyway.

https://kingdomdkp.com/eqdkp/index.php/External/Ac-list-18.html

This is why we cannot have nice thing, people like seducio and urbrutha are just people everyone should ignore.

[Gynecologist]

Lol you all are funny.

It is time for a new pvp server.

[Seducio]

Kingdom made a smart move. Any Kingdom list was a liability waiting to happen. The leadership doesn't need that headache.

Bach. You have demonstrated that you are a liar. Multiple people on the forum have pointed this out other than me. Follow PNP yourself for once.

[Bach]

Kingdom made a smart move. Any Kingdom list was a liability waiting to happen. The leadership doesn't need that headache.

Bach. You have demonstrated that you are a liar. Multiple people on the forum have pointed this out other than me. Follow PNP yourself for once.

Following PNP? From an obvious ST member that's rich!

Guess not having the authorisation to raid and stir crap amongst guild leave you with lot of time to stir up crap on the forum instead.

We really need to add a button to ignore toxic people like the original poster and seducio, make it happen!

[Seducio]

Let's make this clear. I have no affiliation to Seal Team and have never claimed to. The last guild I had affiliation with was Kingdom.

Bach. You are a fucking idiot. So stop lying. Show some fucking character.

[Gynecologist]

Where do I go to sign in to wait in line to play everquest now that there is not a formal list?

[Local]

I have doubts that you’re a real gynecologist.

[Seducio]

I would imagine individuals pretending to be a gynecologist online would struggle deeply with the realities of being a real gynecologist in a clinical setting.

[Local]

I would imagine individuals pretending to be a gynecologist online would struggle deeply.

Streamlined that for you a bit.

[Seducio]

Thanks for the laugh man.

[Bach]

Let's make this clear. I have no affiliation to Seal Team and have never claimed to. The last guild I had affiliation with was Kingdom.

Bach. You are a fucking idiot. So stop lying. Show some fucking character.

Wow someone got triggered :D

[Seducio]

Nah. It is just clear you are an idiot and a liar. Talking to you Bach.

[Lostfaction]

Y’all need Jesus

[Bach]

Nah. It is just clear you are an idiot and a liar. Talking to you Bach.

TRIGGERED!!:mad:

:D

[bomaroast]

It was never acceptable for there to be a list with people not even in-zone or in-game.

It was never acceptable for there to be a list that only certain people can edit.

This is basic fairness equations people. We all learned this stuff at the age of three.

[Local]

It was never acceptable for there to be a list with people not even in-zone or in-game.

GMs blessed the list's existence (though didn't require adherence).

It was never acceptable for there to be a list that only certain people can edit.

Used to be editable by everyone until Urbruthra blew it up, requiring access to be throttled to requesting permission; anyone who requested permission received it.

This is basic fairness equations people. We all learned this stuff at the age of three.

It's certainly a three year old's understanding of the situation.

[Allurya]

Thanks

[bomaroast]

Pull out. You've spent too much time in elf sim lawerquesting. It's really a game, and it's rather simple.

[Seducio]

TRIGGERED!!:mad:

:D

No. I am not talking about Joe Rogan's comedy special from 2016 on Netlix. Talking about you, Bach.

Bach's stupid thought process:
1. Bach doesn't like Seal Team - so GMs should ban Seal Team
2. Bach doesn't like guy on forums - so guy must be Seal Team
3. Guy on forums proves he is not ST - Bach keeps saying he is Seal Team anyhow
4. Bach doesn't like to get called a liar after getting caught lying - calls guy triggered

Bach. Categorically man. You are a stupid individual.

[Local]

Pull out. You've spent too much time in elf sim lawerquesting. It's really a game, and it's rather simple.

Only quitters pull out.

Also "lawyer".