Iksar Warriors Pre-Velious?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Just wondering how Iskar Warriors hold up at end-game in Kunark. What does their end-game armor setup look like in Kunark? (I know they can't wear Cobalt)

[Taiku]

I've heard they're roughly 10% "worse" based on the gear available at the very end game, and getting stunned from the front, but in velious they catch up, and potentially get a few % advantage over other races.

This is based on just what I've read I have no experience in it!

[azeth]

You dont want to hear this response, but nothing matters.

Your gear least of all.

Everyone is too good at the game, knows too much, optimizes too much, raid with too many people.

Just roll whatever race/class you like, nothing matters.*

*except rolling as Ogre for stun immunity

[Samoht]

Ogre stun immunity is highly overrated, especially in the era of click aggro.

Calling it stun immunity is a lie. It only works when a stun attack comes from the frontal cone. Ogres can still be stunned from the back or the side.

It does not prevent interruption on spell cast. Ogres can still be pushed out of a spell. They can still be stunned out of a spell from the back or the side.

There may be once or twice in the life of your character where it actually makes a difference. Those once or twice moments could be huge, or they could be insignificant.

There are other racials that offer just as much versatility like AC bonus or regen or sneak or hide or faction or even forage for the time where your cleric is out of food but for some reason you have a stack of water pods.

Summary: don't pick a character just for ogre frontal stun immunity.

[reznor_]

me ogre, me smash

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Great thanks alot. I mainly wasn't sure how much the lack of Cobalt hurt them in Kunark

[Taiku]

Oh maybe I misunderstood your definition of end game, I don't think warriors wear cobalt at all in actual end game raiding, and you don't need the buffs they provide cause you've got a group around you to buff you up anyway. Pretty sure the only very valuable one to have is the shrink one, but as anything but ogre/troll it's not needed anyway!

Cobalt buffs are more suited for doing small group/solo stuff I think!

[Zipity]

Frontal stun immunity is definitely a perk for a small DPS boost when tanking which bodes well for the ogre, the AC bonus for iksar which moves the cap bodes well for taking less quad max hits which is crucial in big fights.

In Kunark ogres with better starting stats and plate gear are the superior tank
I’m Velious with Equal gear I’d say the scale tips toward iksar, especially on unslowables.
As others have said unless you are min/maxxing for a couple of percentage points of mitigation or DMG with endgame gear race doesn’t really make much difference.

[Toxigen]

gnome war master race

[totmanc]

Ogre stun immunity is highly overrated, especially in the era of click aggro.

Calling it stun immunity is a lie. It only works when a stun attack comes from the frontal cone. Ogres can still be stunned from the back or the side.

It does not prevent interruption on spell cast. Ogres can still be pushed out of a spell. They can still be stunned out of a spell from the back or the side.

There may be once or twice in the life of your character where it actually makes a difference. Those once or twice moments could be huge, or they could be insignificant.

There are other racials that offer just as much versatility like AC bonus or regen or sneak or hide or faction or even forage for the time where your cleric is out of food but for some reason you have a stack of water pods.

Summary: don't pick a character just for ogre frontal stun immunity.


Cool Story, did you know that when you are stunned your riposte and parry stop working? So when an ogre does not get stunned tanking he will take less dmg then all other races.

[Jimjam]

Cool Story, did you know that when you are stunned your riposte and parry stop working? So when an ogre does not get stunned tanking he will take less dmg then all other races.

Prove it.

Edit:
I'm convinced.

[Keebz]

FSI is very very good, but let's be real basically every warrior race has tanked every raid target in this game.

If you are in a top guild and really want to remove any potential competitive advantage (real, perceived or otherwise) between you and other guild tanks, such that all things being equal YOU get to be the guy, then maybe go ogre.

Otherwise, do whatever the hell you want.

Iksar is a solid choice, imho. Around the time you're 60, Velious will be out and you'll be good to go.

[Jimjam]

[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] You are stunned!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] A greater skeleton bashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:29 2021] A greater skeleton tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:30 2021] You are unstunned.
Now I'm not convinced... but I think the stun effect is client side, so possibly my character recovered from the stun before it got reported to the console log.

edit found a dodge too

[Thu Jan 14 07:54:40 2021] A large skeleton tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Thu Jan 14 07:54:40 2021] You can't attack while stunned!
[Thu Jan 14 07:54:42 2021] You try to slash an ogre guard, but an ogre guard parries!
[Thu Jan 14 07:54:42 2021] You are unstunned.

[Zipity]

Cool Story, did you know that when you are stunned your riposte and parry stop working? So when an ogre does not get stunned tanking he will take less dmg then all other races.

Another person rambling unproven non empirical data.

[Zipity]

Did you know that when you are stunned the raid mob won’t Riposte you?! Therefore taking less random damage.

[Bonethunder]

this is funny , if theres 500 people waiting for a 32k hp boss to spawn does it matter if your an iksar or ogre? Lol

[Zipity]

this is funny , if theres 500 people waiting for a 32k hp boss to spawn does it matter if your an iksar or ogre? Lol

No skill required even clerics should nuke, if you have a DA engage to bleed the nasty AoE/Fear/Banish whatever, if you have 200 people and they all average 9DPS the dragon is dead in under 18 seconds.

[ClephNote]

In P99 all that matters is your raid attendance/DKP and which guild you are in. The "worst" race in a tier 1 guild with a lot of DKP (and subsequent purchases) will out tank 99% of the server and can tank any encounter in the game.

[Samoht]

Did you know that when you are stunned the raid mob won’t Riposte you?! Therefore taking less random damage.

Confirmed true.

[Bockscar]

Ogre stun immunity is highly overrated, especially in the era of click aggro.

Calling it stun immunity is a lie. It only works when a stun attack comes from the frontal cone. Ogres can still be stunned from the back or the side.

It does not prevent interruption on spell cast. Ogres can still be pushed out of a spell. They can still be stunned out of a spell from the back or the side.

There may be once or twice in the life of your character where it actually makes a difference. Those once or twice moments could be huge, or they could be insignificant.

There are other racials that offer just as much versatility like AC bonus or regen or sneak or hide or faction or even forage for the time where your cleric is out of food but for some reason you have a stack of water pods.

Summary: don't pick a character just for ogre frontal stun immunity.

And bash doesn't always stun, regardless of race. Don't know what the percentages are, but bash has a chance to stun. It also has a chance to interrupt without stunning (though irrelevant for warriors) and a chance to do literally nothing other than the damage it deals. FSI was really powerful before these changes, when bash was just always a stun and had no built-in interrupt besides the stun. Now even non-ogres can take a bash without getting stunned/interrupted, and ogre casters can get interrupted by bash. Just not as often.