what started as a good thing

[zaldaben]

ended with a bunch of toxic people. whether it be red, blue, or green. I use to play this game because I enjoyed it. Now if I go on a raid I have to run fraps or obs incase someone cheats or trains a raid. This easily discourages more people from playing p99 than encourages. hell maybe thats how they want it

[Arvan]

Getting along and sharing / enjoying the content at different paces for all guilds = extremely bad

Hyper competitiveness to the point of toxicity and 24/7 monitoring of other guilds behavior so you can be a tattle tale/rules lawyer = extremely good

Yes that is how the people who run these servers think and its unfortunate but that’s the way she goes

[Tunabros]

rotations solve everything

[Mesocyclone]

Green never started as anything other than toxic. It was predicted on the forum pre launch and has occurred in game every day since.

[apprentice04]

OP sounds like a tattle tell

[turbosilk]

One question is how many green servers would to be made to satisfy blue raiders pixel lust. Blue and green are insufficient.

[Power Flower]

No issues at low levels , everquest better below 50

[BlackBellamy]

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.

[OuterChimp]

I make alts and go to zones I wish I had done on my other toons....then make new Alts.

I have Alt-itis and I still enjoy EQ.

[Knuckle]

ended with a bunch of toxic people. whether it be red, blue, or green. I use to play this game because I enjoyed it. Now if I go on a raid I have to run fraps or obs incase someone cheats or trains a raid. This easily discourages more people from playing p99 than encourages. hell maybe thats how they want it

The behavior of players has not changed, the ease of recording and proving shenanigans just falls much more on the player now, since it is so much easier for players to record EQ while they raid compared to 10 or 15 years ago.

[ClephNote]

People have to run fraps because of sore losers, ignorant/frustrated losers and win-at-all-costs winners.

I’m kinda shocked that people hate fraps. “Oh, now I gotta prove it?!? I don’t care that much, you nerds. Go outside!”

Well, you cared enough to cry, post in RnF, Dischord, OOC, etc etc etc.

[Gustoo]

Play red. Tell your friends. It's like blue but you can solve some problems yourself. Otherwise you fraps em, same as blue. Get a little practice for red 2.0 which will be the next server that follows the classic timeline and will do so with all of the lessons learned from Green server.

Thanks.

[Fammaden]

Play red. Tell your friends. It's like blue but you can solve some problems yourself. Otherwise you fraps em, same as blue. Get a little practice for red 2.0 which will be the next server that follows the classic timeline and will do so with all of the lessons learned from Green server.

Thanks.

Good call thanks, I'll start on red today.

[cannobeers3]

Didn't OP already have a quit-post a couple months ago?

Either way, the game is the game. It will not change (here), aside from whatever workaround rules or alterations are put in place to counter the occasional exploit/raid BS/crybaby.

If the game is no longer enjoyable, why not just quit? Is it really worth it to you (OP and anyone else) to have anything about P99 get under your skin?

[Lambparade]

I have had very little negative experiences on blue/green over the last 10 years. Mind you I havn't joined any hardcore raiding guilds so maybe I'm just a prude :)

The most fun part of EQ for me has always been lvling, going to new places, and getting gear for alts, and chatting while I med.

Maybe you should take a break? or play some other games. Eq isn't going anywhere :)

[cd288]

Didn't OP already have a quit-post a couple months ago?

Either way, the game is the game. It will not change (here), aside from whatever workaround rules or alterations are put in place to counter the occasional exploit/raid BS/crybaby.

If the game is no longer enjoyable, why not just quit? Is it really worth it to you (OP and anyone else) to have anything about P99 get under your skin?

Yeah I thought he did. Did he delete it?

[Gustoo]

Its really easy to not get weighed down by the toxic

Don't try to be a level 60 raider

Be a level 50 druid and go buff people and help them with their quests.

ETC.

And if it gets bad, play another game.THis isn't a STFU post, but just a "go with your heart post" if EQ makes you feel bad throw it in the dumpster man.

[Bach]

GMs should enforce a Snake rotation just like what there is on blue, ST is toxic AF and ruined the raiding scene for everyone.

[Seducio]

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.

Good post. The happier types enjoying the game typically aren't raiding.

[Bach]

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.


Raiding is nostalgia value, nothing more nothing less.

Getting pride in being the first one to down mobs that have been downed millions of time on live is sad.
I mean the strats are widely available, mechanics that were obscure before are now well known, there s very little challenge.


I just don't get the people in ST taking things so seriously, there is litteraly nothing competitive about a 20 year old raid, showing up asap isn't being competitive, playing mario kart races to decide who gets the loot_pinata_4549 is dumb, it's not how the game was and it's not enjoyable for anyone.

The fun is the reliving past glory with friends, nothing more nothing less.

You want some challenge, you should play live EQ, new and fresh challenging raids awaits, and mario kart is also on switch!

[Scalem]

GMs should enforce a Snake rotation just like what there is on blue, ST is toxic AF and ruined the raiding scene for everyone.

[Fammaden]

The snake might actually work on green since all the mobs outside of VP are hella easy if you have time to prepare.

[DMN]

https://i.imgur.com/H1uBMvC.jpg

[Natewest1987]

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.

I recommend less screen time.

[Mesocyclone]

I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months.

I forecasted the population to drop by 200-250 a couple months after Kunark hit. The newness fades, the grind becomes real, the fast scores don't happen, and those that can't handle it give up. Gotta be a real grinder; robot-mode and emotion-free, to "win" this marathon - it's not a race.

[sajbert]

Raiding sucks. I don’t know why people enjoy sitting at their screens tracking raid targets or port-ducking or whatever for hours on end day in and out ad nauseam.

Majority of fights are easy zergs once a guild is properly mobilized, that’s what competition is about now, dedication and mobilization.

There’s toxicity among guilds to be sure but I can’t say ST are the bad guys here. What’s clear however is that ST has more dedication and better mobilization. They’re better than the other guilds and that’s why they win most raid targets.

Under the current system other guilds aren’t entitled to shit. Should they be? Should simply being in a guild grant you the right to raid targets? Eh, it’s not the game ST wants to have and if competing guilds were winning I doubt it’s the game that they’d advocate for either. Drama will still exist.

Ultimately it’s up to p99 devs to decide they want the game to be. I respect any decision they make.

[Frug]

I forecasted the population to drop by 200-250 a couple months after Kunark hit. The newness fades, the grind becomes real, the fast scores don't happen, and those that can't handle it give up. Gotta be a real grinder; robot-mode and emotion-free, to "win" this marathon - it's not a race.

Based on history of P99, and basically every other popular freeshard of any MMORPG, a monkey could have made that prediction.

[JDFriend99]

No issues at low levels , everquest better below 50

couldnt agree more. Everyone gets bored or mad at end game unless they have people to call on to get stuff done.

Make a new toon and enjoy the game

[Kich867]

Set self-imposed challenges. Start a new character, don't twink it, only use gear you loot.

[Owls]

I make alts and go to zones I wish I had done on my other toons....then make new Alts.

I have Alt-itis and I still enjoy EQ.

Preach.

[OuterChimp]

You can never have too many alts.

[Power Flower]

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.


I have no idea why people dont understand this guys post, blue / green is so pointless and dumb i wish some of you would try red

i cant tell you how many times we had a nice pvp battle then a very narrow window to speed kill trak, and if you screw up you are going to have a hard time getting bodies

So much more fun knowing other guilds can port in and attack you while your doing something like talendor or gore. Try red guys, gear MATTERS and with low pop you can small man dragons and everything is up

PS NTOV hasnt been cleared in months and tune needs fresh meat

[Wall O Lead]

I've not given this much thought, but makes sense to me now.

Hear me out...

Suppose all the current raid rules magically disappear and consequences to breaking those rules are null and void. Everyone's raid /petitions are ignored and deleted. The raid scene is left to sort itself out (kind of like a free market).

You train a raid? Well, most likely, someone in that raid will retaliate and fudge with your raid in some form or another. Eventually everyone will figure out how to work together, after constantly being denied loot time and time again.

It's relatively easy to ensure mutual destruction in a scene like that.

Say 1 guild becomes absolutely dominate and gets all the phat lootz. Eventually everyone will flock to that particular guild and it will inevitably self implode from pixel lust/insurrection. Maybe, a crap ton of smaller/less effective guilds join together to ensure that dominating guild is unable to raid? Then that alliance starts to dominate. Eventually infighting will happen and it will fall apart.

From my short time here, I've seen P99 is very "Era" oriented. Winners will fall and others will take their place. Competition tends to drive innovation.

Just a thought. Feel free to shit on it.

[Power Flower]

Suppose all the current raid rules magically disappear and consequences to breaking those rules are null and void. Everyone's raid /petitions are ignored and deleted. The raid scene is left to sort itself out (kind of like a free market).

Red server

[Scalem]

Green 2.0 but planes, raid zones and other zones with raid mobs become pvp zones prior and during engages.