Kabull

[Zemus]

Was poking around and read your channel on riot’s discord. Sorry you got guild kicked and lost all that dkp. Not really, I think it’s hilarious you’re still mad and pixel hungry.

P.S. I’m better than you.

[Tunabros]

gonna need some context

[Cassawary]

https://i.imgur.com/AEGr4We.jpg

[Ripqozko]

no one cares about blue drama. hope that helps.

PS. neither of you have warder loot, sorry.

[Vallaen]

Your phone is at half, you should charge it.

[Solist]

Cool & Normal

[Zyth]

imagine wanting pixels in 2020

[Viscere]

So a Riot posts about an ex Riot that is now in Freedom and who just got an Abashi ?

Ill take a steak with that pile of salt plz

[reznor_]

OP should feel bad for this thread.

[JackofSpade]

Well, now that he is in Freedom, he did just get an Abashi from Vulak as riot stood by and watched Vulak die. Sounds like things haven't worked out too badly for him.

[Tethler]

Love me some good ol backfire threads. Too bad OP didn't even make it entertaining with some form of relevant information.

[voydent]

from what i heard, during his time in Riot, Kabull was infamous for harrassing (maybe terrorising?) other guild members for bidding against him for the loots he wanted (or he felt he was due). it was quite effective - over time his guildies did not bid against him just so they dont have to deal with the harrassment.

when he left, he also asked arcler to give him a severance package lol. i believe he asked for 3 items from KT, Vulak and one TOV dragon lol.... legit this is the first time i heard of such a thing...

[voydent]

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[Mikebro]

Kabul went from a player who knew nothing and did nothing to a player who knew nothing but thought he knew everything and still did nothing very fast.

He degraded guildmates and made them feel uncomfortable at the best of the times. I always tried to tell him to stay humble and remember where he began but it was far too late at that point his head couldn't fit through the door.

This is gonna be a grats Freedom.

[Prismaticshop]

Nothing as crunchy as ex guildies raging over someone that left them

[Mikebro]

Nothing as crunchy as ex guildies raging over someone that left them

I wouldn't say this is raging more so criticism long over due for the way he treated people.

[Fammaden]

I thought Riot was a place where people treated each other with respect and maturity and that's why everyone joins?

[Mikebro]

I thought Riot was a place where people treated each other with respect and maturity and that's why everyone joins?

Yea thats why he was kicked... 🤦*♂️

[kjs86z]

The Freedom spin team is in full effect here.

I wasn't going to do this, but since the can of worms is now wide open....

Kabull got gkicked due to habitual toxicity and bullying / intimidating fellow guild members when they were bidding against him on items for DKP.

After being removed from Riot, he harassed Arcler, Ity, Tani, and others over the months that followed about his "3300 lost dkp and 700 hours of time" despite the fact that Freedom gave him 1:1 DKP.

This is just a small fraction of the slew of tells / discord PMs as he raged on about dkp (again...he received 1:1 when he joined Freedom):

https://i.imgur.com/RUnOwxs.png

https://i.imgur.com/efoxgLS.png

https://i.imgur.com/mpq5fYr.png

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png


Honestly feel bad for Kabull. He's clearly suffering from extreme Pixel Sickness...but you don't tell other humans to kill themselves over a video game.

[Kohedron]

I can hear the snaggleteeth crunching together from here

[rjw513]

Yikes, seek help dude

[Fammaden]

What's 3300 dkp get you in Riot?

[voydent]

abashi

[Fammaden]

He'll have a better chance at that in Freedom anyway won't he?

[voydent]

he just got one last week. im assuming furoar gave him dkp signing bonus

[Molitoth]

More addition by subtraction.

[magnetaress]

Discord is simultaneously terrifying and liberating.

[Evets]

Hahaha so sad ... thread needs an appropriate lulz meme for this no lifer

[Zoggren]

When you embrace intersectional feminism, postmodern identity politics, and socialist economics as the three-legged stool of your political philosophy you’re not going to attract a lot of people grounded in the kind of reality necessary to do objectively good work — and sooner or later it’s going to become obvious that none of your people can make your trains run on time.



Your fucking quote is retarded. What, did you think that sounded smart and did some copy paste? Seriously go fuck off with your dipshit quote.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Your fucking quote is retarded. What, did you think that sounded smart and did some copy paste? Seriously go fuck off with your dipshit quote.

Sounds pretty smart and straightforward to me

[Zoggren]

Sounds pretty smart and straightforward to me

Please explain your answer. Elaborate.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Nah. Sorry it triggers you so much.

[kjs86z]

Nah. Sorry it triggers you so much.

[Nexii]

Sorry the Abashi's won't cure immersion sickness

[Zoggren]

Nah. Sorry it triggers you so much.

It's because you can't explain it.

[Zoggren]

Nah. Sorry it triggers you so much.

Probably because you don't understand what it means.

[kjs86z]

Your fucking quote is retarded. What, did you think that sounded smart and did some copy paste? Seriously go fuck off with your dipshit quote.

https://youtu.be/B_obeR1OIm8

[Twochain]

The Freedom spin team is in full effect here.

I wasn't going to do this, but since the can of worms is now wide open....

Kabull got gkicked due to habitual toxicity and bullying / intimidating fellow guild members when they were bidding against him on items for DKP.

After being removed from Riot, he harassed Arcler, Ity, Tani, and others over the months that followed about his "3300 lost dkp and 700 hours of time" despite the fact that Freedom gave him 1:1 DKP.

This is just a small fraction of the slew of tells / discord PMs as he raged on about dkp (again...he received 1:1 when he joined Freedom):

https://i.imgur.com/RUnOwxs.png

https://i.imgur.com/efoxgLS.png

https://i.imgur.com/mpq5fYr.png

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png


Honestly feel bad for Kabull. He's clearly suffering from extreme Pixel Sickness...but you don't tell other humans to kill themselves over a video game.


See, THIS is the type of shit you want to be posting when you create the threads. 2/10 thread now at least 6/10. Carry on.

[Zoggren]

https://youtu.be/B_obeR1OIm8


That video explains Trumpism very well.

[Ripqozko]

Seems like he will fit in, in freedom. I don’t see and issue.

[baakss]

The Freedom spin team is in full effect here.

I wasn't going to do this, but since the can of worms is now wide open....

Kabull got gkicked due to habitual toxicity and bullying / intimidating fellow guild members when they were bidding against him on items for DKP.

After being removed from Riot, he harassed Arcler, Ity, Tani, and others over the months that followed about his "3300 lost dkp and 700 hours of time" despite the fact that Freedom gave him 1:1 DKP.

This is just a small fraction of the slew of tells / discord PMs as he raged on about dkp (again...he received 1:1 when he joined Freedom):

https://i.imgur.com/RUnOwxs.png

https://i.imgur.com/efoxgLS.png

https://i.imgur.com/mpq5fYr.png

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png


Honestly feel bad for Kabull. He's clearly suffering from extreme Pixel Sickness...but you don't tell other humans to kill themselves over a video game.

Lol what a sick fuck. "Hope whoever you know in the hospital fucking dies"

Kabull is like school shooter level insane.

[Boptop]

That is legitimate criminal harassment.

[Twochain]

Seems like he will fit in, in freedom. I don’t see and issue.

We miss you babe

[Ripqozko]

We miss you babe

Hope you been good my dude.

[kjs86z]

https://i.imgur.com/X6lTC3y.jpg

[getsome]

The real victim in all this is the monk in freedom who had less than 3300 dkp and wanted an abashi.

[Fammaden]

The real victim in all this is the monk in freedom who had less than 3300 dkp and wanted an abashi.

I feel terrible for Detoxx's alt.

[Twochain]

I feel terrible for Detoxx's alt.

detoxx already has an abashi monk. and access to mine. lmao. I guess he could get one for his OTHER monk... but meh. He just got vulak robe for his alt wizard last week. He can chill.

[Fammaden]

Humbleflex, I'll allow it.

[Molitoth]

EQ is supposed to be FUN. You don't win any awards for being BiS. You don't win any Real life titles for being awesome at a 20 years old elf game. Honestly, you can't even make much money twitch streaming p99. This is a nostalgia PvE based game.

At the end of it's lifespan, when this server gets powered off... each and every one of us is going to have to look at ourselves and ask: "Was that good time spent?"
There will be no reparations or severance package from Rogean and Nilbog.

Enjoy the time spent with people you meet and like, and ignore the people you don't.
There is no need to immerse yourself so hard that you are wishing death upon people.

[tyrant49333]

Well, now that he is in Freedom, he did just get an Abashi from Vulak as riot stood by and watched Vulak die. Sounds like things haven't worked out too badly for him.

Pras Kabull!

[kjs86z]

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png

Pras Kabull!

[feniin]

Totally cool and normal. Fits in perfectly with the other broken children in Freedom.

[Toryas]

Looks like Kabull fits in well with the cesspit that is Freedom.

[Twochain]

Totally cool and normal. Fits in perfectly with the other broken children in Freedom.

https://i.imgur.com/MGf8F4m.png

[Ratchet51]

Kabull is a good kid. Sorry to Riot that one of their best members got recruited away from them, clearly he's doing well elsewhere and they should be happy for him. No need for all this foolish toxicity.

[Viscere]

Itt : angry criots crioting about losing members

[baakss]

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png


Kabull is a good kid. Sorry to Riot that one of their best members got recruited away from them, clearly he's doing well elsewhere and they should be happy for him. No need for all this foolish toxicity.

Itt : angry criots crioting about losing members

Pras Kabull!

I wonder how weird it must be for the normal people in AG/Freedom to have to reconcile all this.

[xdrcfrx]

lol none of them seem too upset to have lost the guy telling people he hopes their friends/family/whomever is in the hospital dies.

[strongNpretty]

Is that a for real post from this guy? If so, then a big Fuck you to him, and anybody who supports this guy.

Nothing that happens to you in a video game should ever result in saying this shit. No excuses.

[magnetaress]

A lot come in here to heal, some do the heal'n

~starkind

[kjs86z]

Is that a for real post from this guy?

100%

https://i.imgur.com/vhjf9CR.jpg

[2eazy4]

Donating $100 dollar so we can setup a exhibition boxing match for you nerds who want the smoke, all talk on the internet but no bite in real life =)

[xdrcfrx]

very cool, and very legal.

that's a big yikes.

[KansasComrade]

Is that a for real post from this guy? If so, then a big Fuck you to him, and anybody who supports this guy.

Nothing that happens to you in a video game should ever result in saying this shit. No excuses.

Ok, did you not read the thread? 3300 dragon kill points.

[strongNpretty]

100%

https://i.imgur.com/vhjf9CR.jpg

Yeah 100% fuck this guy then

[getsome]

700 hours / 40 hr week = 4 months of work with no pay.

But don’t worry, I will make sure you get a check for $600. I know it’s a hard time of the year.

[strongNpretty]

Ok, did you not read the thread? 3300 dragon kill points.

Hahahahaha

[kaizersoze]

So a Riot posts about an ex Riot that is now in Freedom and who just got an Abashi ?

Ill take a steak with that pile of salt plz

Well, for context, Kabull is like the rest of Freedom and completely unhinged and telling people to kill themselves for bidding against him. One of the reasons he was removed. Sort of like you and your "criot pussy" shtick and Furoar being so big mad he logged in a guild bot and trained Riot, or Detox being detoxx in general.

[Viscere]

I usually say Criot

Upgrading it to Criot pussy, ty mate

[kaizersoze]

I usually say Criot

Upgrading it to Criot pussy, ty mate

lol

[Ratchet51]

Well, for context, Kabull is like the rest of Freedom and completely unhinged and telling people to kill themselves for bidding against him. One of the reasons he was removed. Sort of like you and your "criot pussy" shtick and Furoar being so big mad he logged in a guild bot and trained Riot, or Detox being detoxx in general.

“The Loser always fall in love with the past, the fool always fall in love with the future, and the winner always fall in love with the present.” Gratz to Kabull on his success, may the good fortune continue to flow for a proven champion of Norrath.

[Terrok]

Well, now that he is in Freedom, he did just get an Abashi from Vulak as riot stood by and watched Vulak die.


Like you don't watch other people score points in a game you don't play like football, or some other sport that has men in tights running around chasing each other, pretending they are just going for the ball. Some of those dog piles seem to last longer then they should. Every Competition needs its cheer leaders, don't hate.

[Terrok]

“The Loser always fall in love with the past, the fool always fall in love with the future, and the winner always fall in love with the present.” Gratz to Kabull on his success, may the good fortune continue to flow for a proven champion of Norrath.

the forum is 10 years old, move on, let go of the past...

[Terrok]

I usually say Criot

Upgrading it to Criot pussy, ty mate

Would a young child be able to successfully argue with another young child without resorting to name-calling? No, because the children are too young to communicate their hurt feelings to each other and reconcile as adults do.

Same with the people who, when faced with the truth, still cling onto outdated beliefs. With no facts to back them up, they have to resort to name-calling, insults and maybe even fistfights to get the upper hand.

In both cases, the attackers can’t verbalise their arguments because they are grasping at straws. They can’t accept the fact that they are wrong, because doing so would mean an attack on their identities. It’s human nature to do whatever it takes to protect oneself, so they resort to put-downs, insults and fighting in an attempt to preserve their “dignity”.

[strongNpretty]

“The Loser always fall in love with the past, the fool always fall in love with the future, and the winner always fall in love with the present.” Gratz to Kabull on his success, may the good fortune continue to flow for a proven champion of Norrath.

This is cool.. You respect a guy so much in a video game that even when he says scummy real life shit, you just ignore it cause he's got such cool pixels and he's been playing for so long.. Hmmmm I feel like im missing something here. I dont know all these forum, P99 celebrities but what the serious fuck here......

[kaizersoze]

This is cool.. You respect a guy so much in a video game that even when he says scummy real life shit, you just ignore it cause he's got such cool pixels and he's been playing for so long.. Hmmmm I feel like im missing something here. I dont know all these forum, P99 celebrities but what the serious fuck here......

In a nutshell.

[Ratchet51]

im missing something here.

[fritzad1]

Kabull is a good kid. Sorry to Riot that one of their best members got recruited away from them, clearly he's doing well elsewhere and they should be happy for him. No need for all this foolish toxicity.

You sir are a moron

[Mikebro]

Wow "best members"... that's fucking gold... why don't we just call Conda and FTE Legend as well.

[charmcitysking]

merry lonely christmas and happy lonely new year

[Zoggren]

This is cool.. You respect a guy so much in a video game that even when he says scummy real life shit, you just ignore it cause he's got such cool pixels and he's been playing for so long.. Hmmmm I feel like im missing something here. I dont know all these forum, P99 celebrities but what the serious fuck here......

You see one post in a video game forum, and you're out here with torches and pitch forks.

[strongNpretty]

You see one post in a video game forum, and you're out here with torches and pitch forks.

Right.. Pitch forks and torches bud...... Wildin out...

[kaizersoze]

You see one post in a video game forum, and you're out here with torches and pitch forks.

WHen theyre telling people they hope everyone they know dies in real life, yeah. Honestly the person who messaged that too should have petitioned it and gotten them a long suspension for their behavior. The community doesn't need that in it. I dont like Detox / Furoar / much of Freedom, but I wouldn't wish death on anyone they know, nor their members like the one that just died.

[Zoggren]

WHen theyre telling people they hope everyone they know dies in real life, yeah. Honestly the person who messaged that too should have petitioned it and gotten them a long suspension for their behavior. The community doesn't need that in it. I dont like Detox / Furoar / much of Freedom, but I wouldn't wish death on anyone they know, nor their members like the one that just died.


Listen man, you've got a white male cis gendered hetero supremacist in your guild flaunting his sig, basically telling me I should be ok with patriarchal slavery, so fuck off.

[Zoggren]

WHen theyre telling people they hope everyone they know dies in real life, yeah. Honestly the person who messaged that too should have petitioned it and gotten them a long suspension for their behavior. The community doesn't need that in it. I dont like Detox / Furoar / much of Freedom, but I wouldn't wish death on anyone they know, nor their members like the one that just died.

I'm honestly sick of you saying you care about Freedom, only in posts in which you need it to talk trash about them through one of theire members. Another care troll post.

[kaizersoze]

I'm honestly sick of you saying you care about Freedom, only in posts in which you need it to talk trash about them through one of theire members. Another care troll post.

Yet when Viscere screams criot literally every other post he's hilarious. Or their guild leader commits bannable offenses and gets off light it's fine, or Zippity makes a thread about riot on it's death bed because they got a vulak or a doze, the list goes on.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I dont start those threads.

[Zoggren]

Yet when Viscere screams criot literally every other post he's hilarious. Or their guild leader commits bannable offenses and gets off light it's fine, or Zippity makes a thread about riot on it's death bed because they got a vulak or a doze, the list goes on.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I dont start those threads.

At least they own their hyper-partisanship, you're lying about caring about a man that died, in order to take a dig at Freedom. That's as cold as ice man. I think I'm just going to call you the Ice Man from now on.

[Boptop]

Pretty sure he is taking issue with a player harassing someone else with verbal abuse without provocation on a regular basis, not whatever you're arguing.

[kaizersoze]

Pretty sure he is taking issue with a player harassing someone else with verbal abuse without provocation on a regular basis, not whatever you're arguing.

I did say other members are unhinged, but in different ways. Kabull is definitely a fucking extreme even for Freedom though.

[Boptop]

Well we're all playing a 20 year old fork of an elf game - we're all unhinged to some extent tbh.

[Zoggren]

I did say other members are unhinged, but in different ways. Kabull is definitely a fucking extreme even for Freedom though.

You're extreme, for Riot. You literally can't help yourself. Youre no different from those other folk you mentioned

[Nirgon]

The Freedom spin team is in full effect here.

I wasn't going to do this, but since the can of worms is now wide open....

Kabull got gkicked due to habitual toxicity and bullying / intimidating fellow guild members when they were bidding against him on items for DKP.

After being removed from Riot, he harassed Arcler, Ity, Tani, and others over the months that followed about his "3300 lost dkp and 700 hours of time" despite the fact that Freedom gave him 1:1 DKP.

This is just a small fraction of the slew of tells / discord PMs as he raged on about dkp (again...he received 1:1 when he joined Freedom):

https://i.imgur.com/RUnOwxs.png

https://i.imgur.com/efoxgLS.png

https://i.imgur.com/mpq5fYr.png

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png


Honestly feel bad for Kabull. He's clearly suffering from extreme Pixel Sickness...but you don't tell other humans to kill themselves over a video game.



Consider green

[Viscere]

Making Freedom sound like we are all social misfits, out on bail, shooting meth before we get on the line for FTEs

I fucking love it

Apply now, first pipe is on the house

[Boptop]

Incelfs waiting for that next hit of pixildust

[Ripqozko]

It’s too bad the pixel dust will never be warder loot. Hope that helps.

[Zoggren]

It’s too bad the pixel dust will never be warder loot. Hope that helps.

Consider red

[Zipity]

Now this is an RnF.

[Gustoo]

So scared. I am sad that everquest message board is the least safe place I go on the internet. Bristlebane help those in need.

[Gustoo]

Pixel rot is really scary

[Ripqozko]

Consider red

There is no warder loot on red either , or people. Hope that helps.

[Boptop]

Pixel rot is really scary

what is the biggest item you've ever ninja'd and /q'd on?

[Smackahoe]

This might be a crazy idea, but if he keeps messaging, why not just block him? Its a feature you know

[getsome]

Those screen shots are clearly fake. Anyone can change their alias in discord or log onto 100’s of eq servers with someone else’s name and perpetuate this type of propaganda.

[Goodest]

Good Rnf read 8/10

[Solist]

Not a whole lot of substance here.

Kabul feels he was ripped off. He spent 6-9 months peacefully and kindly talking to tani, Ity and arcler. They only ever finally replied once he joined freedom. Talk about rage inducing. Also he’s pretty inconsolable about it, riot was happy to use him to track, fte, swap toons, port, whatever for over 1,500dkp of time earned AFTER they decided to kick him. At least kicking me it was relatively instant; not drawn out to exploit free labour.

He bud 1123dkp for an abashi, which he had 1900dkp, and was given 750 joining freedom. So he never actually used any of his ‘dkp package’ amount.

The real fuckhead in this story is Detoxx bidding on an abashi above me for my main, for his 3rd abashi monk.

Can we get back to the real villain in this story?

[getsome]

You just gonna get that monk banned for flexing on the forums, he was doing you a favor.

[Solist]

Some got unbanned thankfully, but not all; because P99’s record keeping is disproportionate to the lack of accountability for insane staff of the past.

[Mikebro]

Yikes

[G13]

That video explains Trumpism very well.

The movie was made about people like you

[baakss]

Kabul feels he was ripped off. He spent 6-9 months peacefully and kindly talking to tani, Ity and arcler. They only ever finally replied once he joined freedom. Talk about rage inducing. Also he’s pretty inconsolable about it, riot was happy to use him to track, fte, swap toons, port, whatever for over 1,500dkp of time earned AFTER they decided to kick him. At least kicking me it was relatively instant; not drawn out to exploit free labour.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo

[KansasComrade]

This might be a crazy idea, but if he keeps messaging, why not just block him? Its a feature you know

Yes, clearly the person being harassed is the issue. Good point.

[DoodyLich666]

Hahaha so sad ... thread needs an appropriate lulz meme for this no lifer

[Cassawary]

The real fuckhead in this story is Detoxx bidding on an abashi above me for my main, for his 3rd abashi monk.

Can we get back to the real villain in this story?

3rd abashi monk.

3rd abashi monk.

3rd abashi monk.

3rd abashi monk.

3rd abashi monk.

3rd abashi monk.

3rd abashi monk.

3rd abashi monk.

[Solist]

That’s right! Everyone’s pile on detoxx ��

[Solist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo

Ahh I forgot about possibly the most terrifyingly unstable person in riot. Man the things I’ve heard, you need help.

[Detoxx]

Not a whole lot of substance here.

Kabul feels he was ripped off. He spent 6-9 months peacefully and kindly talking to tani, Ity and arcler. They only ever finally replied once he joined freedom. Talk about rage inducing. Also he’s pretty inconsolable about it, riot was happy to use him to track, fte, swap toons, port, whatever for over 1,500dkp of time earned AFTER they decided to kick him. At least kicking me it was relatively instant; not drawn out to exploit free labour.

He bud 1123dkp for an abashi, which he had 1900dkp, and was given 750 joining freedom. So he never actually used any of his ‘dkp package’ amount.

The real fuckhead in this story is Detoxx bidding on an abashi above me for my main, for his 3rd abashi monk.

Can we get back to the real villain in this story?

You called?

[kaizersoze]

To be fair, I think Detoxx's warrior is as geared as it can get. Not sure what other alts he has aside from apparently monks, but if he has the dkp so be it lol.

[baakss]

Ahh I forgot about possibly the most terrifyingly unstable person in riot. Man the things I’ve heard, you need help.

I'm sure you've heard a lot of things from chronic liars.

You were one of three people ever removed from Riot for behavioral reasons. And in your case, you were given repeated warnings over a sustained period of time. I'd hardly call that a quick removal, as you put it. But perhaps you were too dense to see all those warnings for what they were?

And in Kabull's case, practically everything you said is a lie. I'm actually not sure if you even believe what you're saying. But it is easily disproven with various screenshots of PM's and conversations at the time of various incidents.

[Nexii]

Imagine how toxic you have to be to get guild kicked in this competitive zerg meta where guilds will take almost anyone

[Daldolma]

this whole thread is cringe olympics, but “700 hours of labor” is hands down gold medal winner for cringiest

not even dsm can diagnose what would have to be wrong with someone to result in 700 hours of 20 year old simulated elf raids

[saftbudet]

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png

I wonder how weird it must be for the normal people in AG/Freedom to have to reconcile all this.

Is this what thread is about?
And then Viscere are defending Kabull. Just amazing. Your really marketing Freedom Viscere.

[Bondrake]

Is this what thread is about?
And then Viscere are defending Kabull. Just amazing. Your really marketing Freedom Viscere.

Lmao you know this guy has a horrible shitty poor life and was raised from a single awful parent or an unstable and broken household growing up. Guaranteed ugly as fook too. No wonder why he's so mad at life.

[greasemonk]

Yall mother fuckers need Jesus

[Penish]

AG was cool once when the kid and his mom ran the guild.

[Secrets]

Is this what thread is about?
And then Viscere are defending Kabull. Just amazing. Your really marketing Freedom Viscere.

You're really marketing for players to decide against playing on P99 for raiding by posting stuff like this.

[feniin]

You're really marketing for players to decide against playing on P99 for raiding by posting stuff like this.

Sounds like he's providing a public service. Nobody should be involved in the p99 raiding scene.

[Nirgon]

from what i heard, during his time in Riot, Kabull was infamous for harrassing (maybe terrorising?) other guild members for bidding against him for the loots he wanted (or he felt he was due). it was quite effective - over time his guildies did not bid against him just so they dont have to deal with the harrassment.

when he left, he also asked arcler to give him a severance package lol. i believe he asked for 3 items from KT, Vulak and one TOV dragon lol.... legit this is the first time i heard of such a thing...


This guy fucks

[Viscere]

You're really marketing for players to decide against playing on P99 for raiding by posting stuff like this.

I agree.

Criots came in here to expose their dirty laundry and horrible atmosphere, which led to the departure of their former member to join another Guild.

The crioting sodium levels apparently surged after said ex-member secured a fine piece of BiS vulak loot with his new successful entity.

Can't blame them to be aggrovated, however it does indeed shine with a bad light on their community.

[Twochain]

I'm sure you've heard a lot of things from chronic liars.

You were one of three people ever removed from Riot for behavioral reasons. And in your case, you were given repeated warnings over a sustained period of time. I'd hardly call that a quick removal, as you put it. But perhaps you were too dense to see all those warnings for what they were?

And in Kabull's case, practically everything you said is a lie. I'm actually not sure if you even believe what you're saying. But it is easily disproven with various screenshots of PM's and conversations at the time of various incidents.

sooo who's the other two?

[Twochain]

I agree.

said ex-member secured the best item in the game with his new successful entity.



FTFY

ABASHI>

[Sancta]

But it is easily disproven with various screenshots of PM's and conversations at the time of various incidents.

Why stop there? Where dem screenshots of PM's and conversations at? Let's goooo

[Zoggren]

Riot demands 7 Trakanon's and 4 Vulak's for signing Kabull.

[planarity]

Criots came in here to expose their dirty laundry and horrible atmosphere, which led to the departure of their former member to join another Guild.


Ah it's just a misunderstanding then. Kabull was guildremoved for creating a horrible atmosphere. Then he asked us if he could rejoin, and gave up and joined your guild when we didn't respond to that request as quickly as he wanted us to.

So it's kind of the opposite of what you thought.

[Viscere]

Thread backfired pretty spectacularly, gg OP lol

[Twochain]

Riot demands 7 Trakanon's and 4 Vulak's for signing Kabull.

We'll offer up 2 talendors, a Silvewang, a Wu's Quivering Staff, and loot rights to ONE vindi*

*head only

[Twochain]

Ah it's just a misunderstanding then. Kabull was guildremoved for creating a horrible atmosphere. Then he asked us if he could rejoin, and gave up and joined your guild when we didn't respond to that request as quickly as he wanted us to.

So it's kind of the opposite of what you thought.

https://i.imgur.com/P9SiBsA.gif

[Viscere]

You know criot alarms are ringing when you get their officers to spin in here

[planarity]

You know criot alarms are ringing when you get their officers to spin in here

I'm happy to let the reader decide which one of us is spinning.

[Detoxx]

I'm happy to let the reader decide which one of us is spinning.

How would you even know? Arent you fully immersed and camping medallions on Green for 30 hours straight?

[planarity]

How would you even know? Arent you fully immersed and camping medallions on Green for 30 hours straight?

No.

[Confit]

OP is cringe. And this thread is a yikes from me dawg.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Seems like the TLDR for this thread is: leave riot, get vulak loot. Seems to align with how vulak has been going past few months

[Ripqozko]

Seems like the TLDR for this thread is: leave riot, get vulak loot. Seems to align with how vulak has been going past few months

[kjs86z]

The Freedom spin machine is unreal.

You guys really are a sad bunch, especially Visc.

Its almost like you think if you troll / lie / divert enough...the few people reading this might not see Kabull's slew of insane, harassing messages.

You need your fucking teeth knocked in.

[indiscriminate_hater]

You need your fucking teeth knocked in.

Yikes. I thought this was just a game?

[strongNpretty]

Yikes. I thought this was just a game?

Yeah, but a lot of people in this world do in fact need a good tooth knockin regardless of the reason...

[Ripqozko]

The Freedom spin machine is unreal.

You guys really are a sad bunch, especially Visc.

Its almost like you think if you troll / lie / divert enough...the few people reading this might not see Kabull's slew of insane, harassing messages.

You need your fucking teeth knocked in.

Yikes this is what riot is all about?

[Evia]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

[strongNpretty]

Like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJXrewjTN_Y

[Solist]

The all inclusive open loving guild has a legitimate discord channel to attack an ex member. Just making sure this point isn’t lost on people so one sided.

Oh and fucking detoxx.

[strongNpretty]

Join Blackheart Pirates today yall! We mad peaceful over here :)

[sydbarrett25]

https://i.imgur.com/AEGr4We.jpg

[Viscere]

Why do I have a feeling strongnpetty is 5" , ginger and has more body fat than jabba the hutt ?

[strongNpretty]

Why do I have a feeling strongnpetty is 5" , ginger and has more body fat than jabba the hutt ?

It's called my power belly, SIR! Just kidding, i just seriously enjoy the sport of strongman. Also i'm 5'8, half japanese, 145 pounds..

[getsome]

Kabull got gkicked due to habitual toxicity and bullying / intimidating


You need your fucking teeth knocked in.

https://i.imgur.com/A1cU4iI.png

[Tunabros]

Join Blackheart Pirates today yall! We mad peaceful over here :)

they still around?!

[strongNpretty]

they still around?!

Hahaha no, just my 1 character that remains in there.. A few random folks do still login that are BHP tagged, its fun to catch up with them!

[Ripqozko]

I'm happy to let the reader decide which one of us is spinning.



You need your fucking teeth knocked in.

I'm sold

[Terrok]

Why do I have a feeling strongnpetty is 5" , ginger and has more body fat than jabba the hutt ?

you have a type, for sure.

[strongNpretty]

you have a type, for sure.

[Fitzy2020]

this section of the forums seems fun!

[Viscere]

RnF is the absolute best

I thank my criot pussy opponents and trust me, they are thankful we are there too

[Molitoth]

Alright folks, we are down to the finale. This is for all the beans. Who will win the championship?

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png
vs

You need your fucking teeth knocked in.

[Ripqozko]

Alright folks, we are down to the finale. This is for all the beans. Who will win the championship?

https://i.imgur.com/QFcrdNV.png
vs

both are pretty cringe, voting no warder loot

[Twochain]

I mean I’d bang every single one of your moms.

Also there’s something missing from these screenshots. They aren’t 2015 detox level hilarious. Someone collage all of them together at least. Then y’all can post both detox and ka bull rage posts to make all of us in freedom feel very bad about our choices.

It’s hard out here on the streets of norrath. Guy was trying to work an angle for loot. Do you guys remember what it was like to play this game in 2001? Mfs would have gouged out their grandmas eyeballs with a butter knife for a cloak of flames.

Like by harassment, do you mean like messaging people telling them they are pieces of shit for bidding against him? Or just shit like “fuuuuuck dude plz don’t outbid me lol”

[Psyborg]

The Freedom spin machine is unreal.

You guys really are a sad bunch, especially Visc.

Its almost like you think if you troll / lie / divert enough...the few people reading this might not see Kabull's slew of insane, harassing messages.

You need your fucking teeth knocked in.

Your own guild mate started this thread and you were the one that posted the screenshots because the “cat was out of the bag.” If you can’t see why you and your guild are as pathetic as anyone raiding on p99 then that is some serious lack of awareness.

Here’s the obvious take away here: Riot desperately kept Kabull around long enough until they couldn’t handle him anymore and that’s how it’s going to be for any guild he lands in if he pulls stunts like this. Freedom is no worse for giving him a chance than Riot was.

There is so much pretentiousness coming from a guild who had the longest uncompetitive reign at the top of the raiding scene and is now more concerned with scoring free Vulaks. Freedom might have a handful of players that rustle your jimmies but at least they are willing to compete and have some fun. I’d be absolutely embarrassed to be part of a guild that would prefer to leave up a Vulak blocker until after prime time. Say what you want about our horrible PR game, but I’d rather uninstall and play Hello Kitty Online than leave a Vulak blocker up until a time where Riot has trouble fielding a force. Absolute embarrassment.

[reznor_]

Toxigen plays a tough guy on the internet

[Baylan295]

The disappointment I have is that Detoxx, at least at one point, cared about this kind of stuff.

I remember being told to kill myself by a member of AM in /ooc who was instantly guildremoved. I got apologies from multiple officers.

But it's clear that was all a facade. Winning matters more than Freedom removing toxic assholes. Monrezz, DMX, and others were what made AM work. I haven't logged in for months, just check in on occasion because I still have a lot of friends that play. But the fact that Furoar and Detoxx are cool with their members telling people to kill themselves and wishing death on people says enough about what they care about.

Kabull was a dude I enjoyed playing with, but he has been too immersed. I hope he's doing well, but I really hope he moves on from p99 because that's probably the healthiest thing for him.

[Viscere]

Well you have guildies in here physically threatening others with a nice <Riot> tag above their heads

As lord getsome, king of rustled jimmies, would say : pot meet kettle

[Twochain]

The disappointment I have is that Detoxx, at least at one point, cared about this kind of stuff.

I remember being told to kill myself by a member of AM in /ooc who was instantly guildremoved. I got apologies from multiple officers.

But it's clear that was all a facade. Winning matters more than Freedom removing toxic assholes. Monrezz, DMX, and others were what made AM work. I haven't logged in for months, just check in on occasion because I still have a lot of friends that play. But the fact that Furoar and Detoxx are cool with their members telling people to kill themselves and wishing death on people says enough about what they care about.

Kabull was a dude I enjoyed playing with, but he has been too immersed. I hope he's doing well, but I really hope he moves on from p99 because that's probably the healthiest thing for him.

If Kabull was a dude you enjoyed playing with, why wouldn't we give him a chance? There's no correct level of immersion.

I think a good portion of us has said fucked up shit on the internet, idk, it's hard for me to take that kind of thing serious. If someone told me to kill myself on the internet, it would mean nothing to me.

[baakss]

If Kabull was a dude you enjoyed playing with, why wouldn't we give him a chance? There's no correct level of immersion.

I think a good portion of us has said fucked up shit on the internet, idk, it's hard for me to take that kind of thing serious. If someone told me to kill myself on the internet, it would mean nothing to me.

I mean these messages were coming in completely unprompted for weeks. And for a good deal of time a mere 15 minutes apart. A normal psychopath would have been done after a few barrages.

I have never seen anyone wish deaths on family members since I've been involved in this raid scene. That is a disturbing level of toxicity. If you consider that a "correct level of immersion", then I don't know that we'll ever agree on what's normal.

[Twochain]

I mean these messages were coming in completely unprompted for weeks. And for a good deal of time a mere 15 minutes apart. A normal psychopath would have been done after a few barrages.

I have never seen anyone wish deaths on family members since I've been involved in this raid scene. That is a disturbing level of toxicity. If you consider that a "correct level of immersion", then I don't know that we'll ever agree on what's normal.

Correct level of immersion meaning we all a lil tarded

i'm sure people have said much worse about dongtoxx, shit i have

[lookitsjb]

dongtoxx

Please tell me this is a legit alt... This needs to be a legit alt...

[magnetaress]

I used to be super immersed in this game. I still am but it's different now. It's not about pixel immersion, its more like 'what is gonna happen today' and sometimes I'm surprised by something cool and amusing. Guys like OP and his budy are fun to interact with because sometimes this situation gets avoided and they become friends instead of hateful enemies over some pre-originated digital bits that have sorta existed since 1999 ish and just are.

I mean it's not like the pixels are unique. Or special. Their just a database entry and some shared graphics with like a global graphics file of other items.

I think several swords use the abashi icon and in game graphic?

But needless to say, I would have given someone my abashi, but not if they threatened me and called me names, then I would probably kick them from the guild and let them think about their life choices, maybe report them to the online safety PC police. These guys don't need perma bans tho, they need some incentive to keep trying.

I think what happens in a lot of cases is these guys just can't get it right, so they fight and scream and get upset only instead of being good sports. There needs to be a way we can rehabilitate these people so they learn to be obedient and lawful about pixel acquisition and to wait their turn like gentleman. If they get banned or quit, they just reroll and come back and yell at us again with a different name.

IDK. Some people can't be rehabilitated tho. And some people will always demand they get at least 10 abashi's while other people have none. It's not for me to decide who gets abashis, because I'm not willing to personally put in the effort to see one drop off a mob I helped kill.

[Baylan295]

If Kabull was a dude you enjoyed playing with, why wouldn't we give him a chance? There's no correct level of immersion.

I think a good portion of us has said fucked up shit on the internet, idk, it's hard for me to take that kind of thing serious. If someone told me to kill myself on the internet, it would mean nothing to me.

For the same reason Monrezz/Detoxx instantly guild removed the guy in AM that told me to kill myself in OOC? It’s unacceptable behavior from anyone. Some things don’t deserve second chances. Telling folks to kill themselves and that they hope their family in the hospital dies is orders of magnitude worse than the things I’ve observed on this server. And reality is that reputation is *supposed* to matter here.

Of course, I’d say logging in another guild’s bot to train them is also unacceptable behavior, but that’s for another thread.

[greasemonk]

Please tell me this is a legit alt... This needs to be a legit alt...

That name has been rejected.

There is hope.

[lookitsjb]

That name has been rejected.

There is hope.

Is there even a reason to play P99 anymore? Everything is a lie. Nothing has meaning.
Hello darkness, my old friend...

[magnetaress]

Is there even a reason to play P99 anymore? Everything is a lie. Nothing has meaning.
Hello darkness, my old friend...

Have you gotten a lvl 60 on red yet? Got to get that under your belt, then your done with EQ :) ;)

[tyrant49333]

Your own guild mate started this thread and you were the one that posted the screenshots because the “cat was out of the bag.” If you can’t see why you and your guild are as pathetic as anyone raiding on p99 then that is some serious lack of awareness.

Here’s the obvious take away here: Riot desperately kept Kabull around long enough until they couldn’t handle him anymore and that’s how it’s going to be for any guild he lands in if he pulls stunts like this. Freedom is no worse for giving him a chance than Riot was.

There is so much pretentiousness coming from a guild who had the longest uncompetitive reign at the top of the raiding scene and is now more concerned with scoring free Vulaks. Freedom might have a handful of players that rustle your jimmies but at least they are willing to compete and have some fun. I’d be absolutely embarrassed to be part of a guild that would prefer to leave up a Vulak blocker until after prime time. Say what you want about our horrible PR game, but I’d rather uninstall and play Hello Kitty Online than leave a Vulak blocker up until a time where Riot has trouble fielding a force. Absolute embarrassment.

qft

[xdrcfrx]

I’d be absolutely embarrassed to be part of a guild that would prefer to leave up a Vulak blocker until after prime time. Say what you want about our horrible PR game, but I’d rather uninstall and play Hello Kitty Online than leave a Vulak blocker up until a time where Riot has trouble fielding a force. Absolute embarrassment.

You sincerely expect anyone to believe that given the choice between 1) kill zlexak, and give riot an equal chance to contest you on vulak, or 2) leave zlexak in place until riot was disadvantaged compared to you (or disqualified entirely), that AG/F would choose the former?

lol sure thing.

[magnetaress]

So if you have to kill a noble creature to attain abashis, does this make you evil?

[Terrok]

I’d be absolutely embarrassed to be part of a guild that would prefer to leave up a Vulak blocker until after prime time. Say what you want about our horrible PR game, but I’d rather uninstall and play Hello Kitty Online than leave a Vulak blocker up until a time where Riot has trouble fielding a force. Absolute embarrassment.


Is this the same blocker that was at 50% before riot got trained? I mean if you want blockers dead, then don't kill the guilds killing them.

[Terrok]

https://youtu.be/gwfums63zjU?t=23

[regandna]

Yea thats why he was kicked... 🤦*♂️

Sick

[Psyborg]

You sincerely expect anyone to believe that given the choice between 1) kill zlexak, and give riot an equal chance to contest you on vulak, or 2) leave zlexak in place until riot was disadvantaged compared to you (or disqualified entirely), that AG/F would choose the former?

lol sure thing.

100%

I would never even entertain the idea because that isn’t fun. I can see leaving it up until prime time EST if it pops really late so that everyone is at an advantage, but not some 9AM ridiculousness. It’s a lose lose proposition unless all you care about is pure pixels. Killing Vulak without proper competition is unrewarding and if you somehow lose after having a huge advantage you just deflate your guild’s morale. We saw how they played out with Riot.

[lookitsjb]

100%

I would never even entertain the idea because that isn’t fun. I can see leaving it up until prime time EST if it pops really late so that everyone is at an advantage, but not some 9AM ridiculousness. It’s a lose lose proposition unless all you care about is pure pixels. Killing Vulak without proper competition is unrewarding and if you somehow lose after having a huge advantage you just deflate your guild’s morale. We saw how they played out with Riot.

So I'm torn with this post.

On one hand; I completely agree with you in that it isn't fun sitting around with a blocker up...

On the other hand I have historical evidence: On numerous occasions when the final blocker spawned (Lady N, Jorll, Trips) FRAG and Riot were at a stand-still for literal hours trying to identify the best way to handle the Vulak Blocker. There is one unique case in that FRAG was killing Lady N for approximately 1+ hours consistently, holding Lady N at around 5-10% while they worked out a plan for Vulak.

So your argument is sound; it isn't fun. But the "We would never do this", historically, is entirely inaccurate.

[Molitoth]

So I'm torn with this post.

On one hand; I completely agree with you in that it isn't fun sitting around with a blocker up...

On the other hand I have historical evidence: On numerous occasions when the final blocker spawned (Lady N, Jorll, Trips) FRAG and Riot were at a stand-still for literal hours trying to identify the best way to handle the Vulak Blocker. There is one unique case in that FRAG was killing Lady N for approximately 1+ hours consistently, holding Lady N at around 5-10% while they worked out a plan for Vulak.

So your argument is sound; it isn't fun. But the "We would never do this", historically, is entirely inaccurate.

Winner post.

[Molitoth]

4-6 hour contested vulak raids with blockers is brutal.

Playing smart throughout the cycle should bring an advantage, so don't screw up and get to a point where you have to concede mobs.

All guilds have messed up at some point or another and lost an advantage.
It sucks, but forces us all (Regardless of you guild tag) to try and play better.

[Molitoth]

Wait, this is posted in a Kabull thread...

errr, yeah.

[Psyborg]

So I'm torn with this post.

On one hand; I completely agree with you in that it isn't fun sitting around with a blocker up...

On the other hand I have historical evidence: On numerous occasions when the final blocker spawned (Lady N, Jorll, Trips) FRAG and Riot were at a stand-still for literal hours trying to identify the best way to handle the Vulak Blocker. There is one unique case in that FRAG was killing Lady N for approximately 1+ hours consistently, holding Lady N at around 5-10% while they worked out a plan for Vulak.

So your argument is sound; it isn't fun. But the "We would never do this", historically, is entirely inaccurate.

We would never leave a blocker to an hour of the day where riot would have an issue mustering numbers. What you’re describing is leaving up a blocker so that we could have a chance at competing and was only something that was an issue before the Vulak blocker rule was added. It was rather silly that killing the last blocker effectively put you at a major disadvantage for Vulak.

[Psyborg]

4-6 hour contested vulak raids with blockers is brutal.

Playing smart throughout the cycle should bring an advantage, so don't screw up and get to a point where you have to concede mobs.

All guilds have messed up at some point or another and lost an advantage.
It sucks, but forces us all (Regardless of you guild tag) to try and play better.

I would not want to be part of a guild that waits until 9AM to kill the best target in the game just so that competition was reduced or eliminated. To each his own, but I would rather lose contested Vulaks than win free ones. Obviously if another guild needs to concede a Vulak you take it and move on.

[Loke]

On the other hand I have historical evidence: On numerous occasions when the final blocker spawned (Lady N, Jorll, Trips) FRAG and Riot were at a stand-still for literal hours trying to identify the best way to handle the Vulak Blocker. There is one unique case in that FRAG was killing Lady N for approximately 1+ hours consistently, holding Lady N at around 5-10% while they worked out a plan for Vulak.


The example you give kind of illustrates his point though. Instead of sitting by allowing the blocker to act as a blocker, we came up with a strategy that allowed us to kill both while Riot sat around waiting for us to kill Nev. Yes, it took us awhile to coordinate everything, but at least we were doing something that wasn't sitting around hoping the other guild would gift us a free Vulak.

Also interesting to note that in typical Riot fashion, they attempted to lawyer quest over it. Why compete when you can write 20 page google docs petitions?

[Psyborg]

The example you give kind of illustrates his point though. Instead of sitting by allowing the blocker to act as a blocker, we came up with a strategy that allowed us to kill both while Riot sat around waiting for us to kill Nev. Yes, it took us awhile to coordinate everything, but at least we were doing something that wasn't sitting around hoping the other guild would gift us a free Vulak.

Also interesting to note that in typical Riot fashion, they attempted to lawyer quest over it. Why compete when you can write 20 page google docs petitions?

Yep, we give them 2 free shots to game Zlexak instead of 1 and they petition it. A thing of beauty.

[lookitsjb]

We would never leave a blocker to an hour of the day where riot would have an issue mustering numbers.

There really is no hour of the day that Riot cant muster numbers. That's not a flex, if anything, it reinforces the main purpose of this thread...

What you’re describing is leaving up a blocker so that we could have a chance at competing and was only something that was an issue before the Vulak blocker rule was added.

I'm not sure I'm following this piece; "Leaving a blocker was only an issue before the blocker" doesn't make sense to me. I think I get what you're saying based on the below sentence though...

It was rather silly that killing the last blocker effectively put you at a major disadvantage for Vulak.

So yeah, this one I don't fully grasp, as it wasn't Riot that stalled Lady N for the FTE Lottery on Vulak, it was FRAG. At this particular Raid, FRAG had about +30 more people combined in comparison to Riot, but still held the Lady N engage for over an hour.

Regardless; to get back to the meat-and-potatoes of this thread, you touched on something extremely important here; waiting until competition is reduced.

I'm not in any way speaking on behalf of Riot, Kittens, FRAG, etc. just as some sad-sack that plays a 20 year old elf sim like the rest of you guys. But the purpose of waiting isn't to reduce competition, but to reduce the impact of that competition. We're all in the UN channel and see the bickering that goes back-and-forth in there. 30 year olds acting like children over pixels that respawn in a week (Someone can insert the "Sorry you didn't get Warder's loot" here :D)

No one enjoys investing a ton of time into prep just to get trained by another guild, then watch that guild leapfrog and kill something. And that isn't a dig at FRAG or Riot, that's just a general statement. It's hard to claim you want competition in any guild, when you're unwilling to accept loss or failure. If mistakes drive you to do un-sportsman like shit, then competition isn't your motivator; winning is, and you're proving to the entire community you're willing to cheat to win.

The "target" of this thread took the game to a level that it should never be taken to. It's concerning that someone would reach out in 15-minute intervals wishing harm upon another person. IRL that would legit warrant a restraining order or court appearance. The trajectory of this raid-scene and community isn't healthy if the first resort when seeing this is to poke fun or mock someone in this state of mind...

Just my 2 cents though.

[Toryas]

I would not want to be part of a guild that waits until 9AM to kill the best target in the game just so that competition was reduced or eliminated. To each his own, but I would rather lose contested Vulaks than win free ones. Obviously if another guild needs to concede a Vulak you take it and move on.

Pleased to hear you’d rather sit around playing with yourself whilst ~5 people do anything useful for 5 hours. I’d love to have that much spare time. Also, believe it or not, there are other time zones than EST, hence Freedumb are constantly badgering Riot’s Eurasia playerbase to be competitive during ‘muricas off-peak.

[lookitsjb]

The example you give kind of illustrates his point though. Instead of sitting by allowing the blocker to act as a blocker, we came up with a strategy that allowed us to kill both while Riot sat around waiting for us to kill Nev. Yes, it took us awhile to coordinate everything, but at least we were doing something that wasn't sitting around hoping the other guild would gift us a free Vulak.

Also interesting to note that in typical Riot fashion, they attempted to lawyer quest over it. Why compete when you can write 20 page google docs petitions?

If I remember; the petition was because FRAG held Lady N at 5-10% for over an hour on 2 separate engages (after wiping from the first engage) which is a clear-cut stall. The issue wasn't Vulak; it was that for over an hour FRAG prevented another guild from competing entirely on 2 targets while they "worked out a strategy"...

[Psyborg]

I'm not in any way speaking on behalf of Riot, Kittens, FRAG, etc. just as some sad-sack that plays a 20 year old elf sim like the rest of you guys. But the purpose of waiting isn't to reduce competition, but to reduce the impact of that competition. We're all in the UN channel and see the bickering that goes back-and-forth in there. 30 year olds acting like children over pixels that respawn in a week (Someone can insert the "Sorry you didn't get Warder's loot" here :D)


The purpose of Riot waiting until 9AM yesterday to unlock Vulak was 100% to reduce competition.

[Psyborg]

If I remember; the petition was because FRAG held Lady N at 5-10% for over an hour on 2 separate engages (after wiping from the first engage) which is a clear-cut stall. The issue wasn't Vulak; it was that for over an hour FRAG prevented another guild from competing entirely on 2 targets while they "worked out a strategy"...

You're definitely overstating this. It was never held for an hour. We wiped twice trying to hold it and Riot never took any steps to engage N in between wipes.

[Loke]

If I remember; the petition was because FRAG held Lady N at 5-10% for over an hour on 2 separate engages (after wiping from the first engage) which is a clear-cut stall. The issue wasn't Vulak; it was that for over an hour FRAG prevented another guild from competing entirely on 2 targets while they "worked out a strategy"...

This just isn't true. First of all, we wiped twice (for 3 total engages). After each wipe, any guild had ample time to engage and try themselves. None decided to - instead waiting for us to kill it so they'd have a free shot at Vulak. No single engage was over an hour. In fact, I don't think any of the engages were over 30 minutes. I know this because of a certain someone finding out how the enrage mechanic works (e.g. it refreshes). I was also the tank on the final engage, so pretty familiar with how long it took.

Additionally, at least according to traditional stall rules, that didn't count as a stall since we had a raid force actively engaged. The only rule that ever existed on this server about how fast you had to kill a mob was that you had to get it in summoning range within 1 minute, but I don't even think that rule is applicable anymore, and only existed to prevent DA stalling on CoTH race mobs.

[Psyborg]

Pleased to hear you’d rather sit around playing with yourself whilst ~5 people do anything useful for 5 hours. I’d love to have that much spare time. Also, believe it or not, there are other time zones than EST, hence Freedumb are constantly badgering Riot’s Eurasia playerbase to be competitive during ‘muricas off-peak.

This is just silly. For the same reason I don't want to play PUBG or CS:GO against bots, I don't want to play EQ raiding against nobody. I really hope Riot sticks around for a while because otherwise raiding just ceases to be fun until the next raiding guild emerges.

[Toryas]

This is just silly. For the same reason I don't want to play PUBG or CS:GO against bots, I don't want to play EQ raiding against nobody. I really hope Riot sticks around for a while because otherwise raiding just ceases to be fun until the next raiding guild emerges.

You find staring at a wall listening to Furoar and Detoxx scream shit at you for 5+ hours fun?

You do you bro.

[Samoht]

If I remember; the petition was because FRAG held Lady N at 5-10% for over an hour on 2 separate engages (after wiping from the first engage) which is a clear-cut stall. The issue wasn't Vulak; it was that for over an hour FRAG prevented another guild from competing entirely on 2 targets while they "worked out a strategy"...

Wait, is rito complaining that someone used their own strategy against them? Or did you forget all the times rito stopped DPSing targets because someone else was locked to it.

[Psyborg]

You find staring at a wall listening to Furoar and Detoxx scream shit at you for 5+ hours fun?

You do you bro.

If you think that's how raiding in FRAG works then I can only laugh my ass off at you.

[Toryas]

If you think that's how raiding in FRAG works then I can only laugh my ass off at you.

I've raided under Furoar's "leadership", seen the screenshot and heard Detoxx's nasal breathing on YouTube videos... happy for you to enlighten me though.

[lookitsjb]

This just isn't true. First of all, we wiped twice (for 3 total engages). After each wipe, any guild had ample time to engage and try themselves. None decided to - instead waiting for us to kill it so they'd have a free shot at Vulak. No single engage was over an hour. In fact, I don't think any of the engages were over 30 minutes. I know this because of a certain someone finding out how the enrage mechanic works (e.g. it refreshes). I was also the tank on the final engage, so pretty familiar with how long it took.

Additionally, at least according to traditional stall rules, that didn't count as a stall since we had a raid force actively engaged. The only rule that ever existed on this server about how fast you had to kill a mob was that you had to get it in summoning range within 1 minute, but I don't even think that rule is applicable anymore, and only existed to prevent DA stalling on CoTH race mobs.

I don't want to get into the back and forth nonsense about why what you said is inaccurate, maybe you're just misremembering.

This is a 20 minute long video of the MIDDLE of that engage, I have 3 other 20 minute videos I can share for before after as well as from another attempt. If you think I'm lying or cutting- you'll notice the right-side timers are the FTE 30-minute countdown timers and Lady N isn't even on the list, meaning 30 minutes past before that 20 minute video even started.
https://youtu.be/aELGR2fH00g

Again; you're somehow twisting my commentary into an attack on FRAG and/or Riot, and that isn't the case. I'm talking in generics specifically because this issue isn't unique to a single guild, it's a community issue stemming from the Raid Scene, and if people are willing to put down their tags for 2 seconds and recognize that there are serious issues that require serious discussion, regardless of tag, then maybe we can all start to enjoy this game again.

[lookitsjb]

If you think I'm lying or cutting- you'll notice the right-side timers are the FTE 30-minute countdown timers and Lady N isn't even on the list, meaning 30 minutes past before that 20 minute video even started.

The part 2 I linked has the timers, my apologies; I overlooked those, meaning this was before the final attempt which was another 15 minutes from this point so approximately 45 minutes total, give or take just from this FTE alone.

[Samoht]

The part 2 I linked has the timers, my apologies; I overlooked those, meaning this was before the final attempt which was another 15 minutes from this point so approximately 45 minutes total, give or take just from this FTE alone.

There’s a major difference between your strawman and the zexlak blocker. Rito did not even attempt to kill the last mob. Ritos opponents were forbidden from killing the blocker. Both situations caused by rito.

[lookitsjb]

There’s a major difference between your strawman and the zexlak blocker. Rito did not even attempt to kill the last mob. Ritos opponents were forbidden from killing the blocker. Both situations caused by rito.

My apologies; are you unable to grasp the concept of my posts? If so, please help me clarify so we can move past this. I'm not talking about specific raid issues here. This is the Kabull thread, not the blocker thread. Maybe I mislead by responding to someone else's post about it, and for that I apologize.

I, personally, give no shits about the targets. From Vulak to Mayor Gubbin. The raid scene is shit, and the ban did absolutely nothing to fix it. If anything; it's worse now. I provided insight into why targets get left up as well as expanding on that insight to the core purpose of this thread, in that; what is being viewed as "competition" isn't competition, but is an exercise in mental fortitude, which people are starting to leave the community over.

I shouldn't have brought up the Lady N, I just wanted to reiterate that, yet again speaking in generics; Both guilds are guilty of doing the same thing, as a response to someone else. If that digressed from my core point, then let's just say you win and we can move on.

[Psyborg]

My apologies; are you unable to grasp the concept of my posts? If so, please help me clarify so we can move past this. I'm not talking about specific raid issues here. This is the Kabull thread, not the blocker thread. Maybe I mislead by responding to someone else's post about it, and for that I apologize.

I, personally, give no shits about the targets. From Vulak to Mayor Gubbin. The raid scene is shit, and the ban did absolutely nothing to fix it. If anything; it's worse now. I provided insight into why targets get left up as well as expanding on that insight to the core purpose of this thread, in that; what is being viewed as "competition" isn't competition, but is an exercise in mental fortitude, which people are starting to leave the community over.

I shouldn't have brought up the Lady N, I just wanted to reiterate that, yet again speaking in generics; Both guilds are guilty of doing the same thing, as a response to someone else. If that digressed from my core point, then let's just say you win and we can move on.

But it’s not the same thing. Keeping up a mob that only you can kill until your opponent can’t pull numbers is the opposite of engaging a mob with the knowledge that you will be at a disadvantage once it does. Choosing to kill the last blocker in the previous Vulak meta was a disadvantage but something that has to be done or nobody has a shot at Vulak.

Surely you can see why your example doesn’t actually align with what we saw yesterday.

[Loke]

A lot

So I may have been off on the time, I still don't think it was two hour long "stalls" as you initially claimed. Seems your videos back that up.

Also, still not the same. One involves letting a mob sit up for hours to avoid competition, the other involves a lengthy engage to break the aforementioned stalemate.

Additionally, wasn't Riot the guild who blew up Tunare and Ring War agreements because other guilds weren't engaging fast enough, but now have no problem leaving Vulak up for a day to give themselves an advantage?

As for the problems and having serious discussion about it, pretty sure that has been tried ad nauseam on this server and never goes anywhere. IMO, things were much better when the rules were minimal, GMs were mostly hands off, and people didn't sit around in the UN and pretend they care about anything other than maximizing their guild's targets. The UN is 90% theatre where everyone tries to act fair and reasonable, but are really just posturing. Nothing of actual value getting done in there.

[lookitsjb]

But it’s not the same thing. Keeping up a mob that only you can kill until your opponent can’t pull numbers is the opposite of engaging a mob with the knowledge that you will be at a disadvantage once it does. Choosing to kill the last blocker in the previous Vulak meta was a disadvantage but something that has to be done or nobody has a shot at Vulak.

Surely you can see why your example doesn’t actually align with what we saw yesterday.

I see the differences clearly to your points, yes. But surely you must see the similarities.

Having a target unengaged to reduce competition is, to your point, nothing like the Lady N engage I mentioned previously.

But, engaging a target to prevent another target from engaging with the intent to kill (admittedly) but stalling the killing blow until you can devise a plan is just as devious as leaving the target up, in that Riot could have went in and just killed it. The outcome may have been the exact same, sure. But holding a target while plans are devised and leaving a target up has the same outcome; Vulak is blocked.

Again; it's not the point I'm going for, and I don't see issue with either side for a few reasons:

Competition on this raid scene is still, if not more, toxic than when the video was taken, therefore if executing a plan to reduce competition is a guild's way of maintaining their sanity away from the toxicity, is that wrong? Would you partake in an event where, upon losing or making a mistake, you were punched in the nose? What if you could avoid the punch simply by waiting an extra 30 minutes, would you take it?

Guilds going at each other's throats non-stop just because of a tag is inane in my opinion. We want competition but can't handle it. Winners taunting losers rather than congratulating them on a good attempt, "The Slighted" doing shit that gets them banned and/or g-kicked (reference other thread for that one)... This isn't healthy. We all play P99 for some semblance of nostalgia, and instead turned being BIS into the most important thing ever on a time locked server that's already 6ish years into the current timeline, and threw a middle finger to the community that helped build this in the process.

[Loke]

But, engaging a target to prevent another target from engaging with the intent to kill (admittedly) but stalling the killing blow until you can devise a plan is just as devious as leaving the target up, in that Riot could have went in and just killed it.

As previously mentioned, we wiped twice. Riot or any other guild had at least two windows to engage, and instead sat at trips CoTH spot hoping to snipe Vulak. The way you're framing what happened doesn't match what actually occurred. Riot 100% could have engaged Nev, and on more than one occasion decided not to. Us engaging is not what was blocking them, their own desire to get Vulak was.

[lookitsjb]

As previously mentioned, we wiped twice. Riot or any other guild had at least two windows to engage, and instead sat at trips CoTH spot hoping to snipe Vulak. The way you're framing what happened doesn't match what actually occurred. Riot 100% could have engaged Nev, and on more than one occasion decided not to. Us engaging is not what was blocking them, their own desire to get Vulak was.

You really wont let this go, nor will you admit that there are similarities just as much as there are differences?

You're "wipe" was your tank died and the 3 people that remained up there holding the engage died as well. You had more people up there than Riot. You were able to spare 30 people and still 1:1 contest Riot in terms of numbers.

Are you so driven by pixels that you can't even admit the similarities? Is winning so important to you? If so then you know what, I apologize for even bringing this up. You win, you are the greatest ever. I would wish you luck in your future endeavors but your sheer skill dictates that you don't need luck, because you're so amazing.

Can we move past this now, or is there some other arbitrary concept you want to gloat about completely removed from the core of all of my statements?

[Loke]

You really wont let this go, nor will you admit that there are similarities just as much as there are differences?

You're "wipe" was your tank died and the 3 people that remained up there holding the engage died as well. You had more people up there than Riot. You were able to spare 30 people and still 1:1 contest Riot in terms of numbers.

Are you so driven by pixels that you can't even admit the similarities? Is winning so important to you? If so then you know what, I apologize for even bringing this up. You win, you are the greatest ever. I would wish you luck in your future endeavors but your sheer skill dictates that you don't need luck, because you're so amazing.

Can we move past this now, or is there some other arbitrary concept you want to gloat about completely removed from the core of all of my statements?

I see we've moved past the actual events in question and devolved into ad hominem attacks, nice.

I think whether or not an entity actually went for a target when presented the opportunity is relevant in a discussion about whether another entity was blocking them. It speaks to intent. If Riot had no intent on engaging Nev, as shown by them not doing so when given the opportunity; it seems disingenuous to claim we were blocking them.

In one instance a guild clearly leaves a mob up with the intent to block another guild from killing Vulak. In the other instance a guild has a prolonged engage while setting up for an instant engage on Vulak. These things are not the same.

[Samoht]

stalling the killing blow until you can devise a plan is just as devious as leaving the target up

Are you seriously going to pretend that rito does not employ this exact strategy all the damned time? I mean they did it with CT just this week alone trying to keep another guild FTE locked on it while they arranged people to screw with them against the next raid target.

[kaizersoze]

I see we've moved past the actual events in question and devolved into ad hominem attacks, nice.

I think whether or not an entity actually went for a target when presented the opportunity is relevant in a discussion about whether another entity was blocking them. It speaks to intent. If Riot had no intent on engaging Nev, as shown by them not doing so when given the opportunity; it seems disingenuous to claim we were blocking them.

In one instance a guild clearly leaves a mob up with the intent to block another guild from killing Vulak. In the other instance a guild has a prolonged engage while setting up for an instant engage on Vulak. These things are not the same.
There were people preparing to engage nev on at least one of those days that you guys stalled her. But we also cant go in and help kill your mob for you to free up Vulak either when its all thats left.

[kaizersoze]

Are you seriously going to pretend that rito does not employ this exact strategy all the damned time? I mean they did it with CT just this week alone trying to keep another guild FTE locked on it while they arranged people to screw with them against the next raid target.

Also, lol what? You clearly were nowhere near the CT fight. That wasn't really a stall so much as people legit being super LoM and battle rezzing etc. That was a hard earned CT kill when you guys had him in your AoE pile iirc.

[Ripqozko]

double posting cause you mad

[Samoht]

So it’s just a coincidence that it took exactly 30 minutes from the FTE for it to die?

[kaizersoze]

So it’s just a coincidence that it took exactly 30 minutes from the FTE for it to die?

Yeah kind of. When people are LoM, pets breaking and dps is low for most of the fight it does take a while. Was a pretty fun fight.

[Samoht]

DPS is going to be low if DPS waits 25 minutes to even engage, lol

[kaizersoze]

DPS is going to be low if DPS waits 25 minutes to even engage, lol

They didnt lol. We, like you guys, ended up with CT in a pile and it set us back. Lots died, rezzes went out, we prevailed. Lots of pets died in process tho, rip harambes.

[lookitsjb]

I see we've moved past the actual events in question and devolved into ad hominem attacks, nice.

This is not my intent. This is the Kabull thread, not the Vulak/Zlexak thread, and I keep trying to push away from the Vulak/Zlexak conversation and back to the core of my statements, but you seem intent on tunnel-visioning on this one very specific thread. I would argue this should be moved to the other thread where we can have this conversation, if you'd like.

My intent is to discuss the raid scene and it's impact on us as a community as well as on individuals mental states.

If my commentary and "forced digressions" are coming across as attacks in any way, I apologize. I'm not intending on attacking but instead on dropping this topic on this thread particularly (not in general).

[Loke]

All my posts have been direct replies to comments you've made which bring up the Vulak/Zlex issue - so if your intent is to drop that issue, you aren't doing a very good job of it.

Also, thanks for your concern, but I don't think a forum dedicated to an elf sim is really the place to be solving the issues relating to the mental states of individuals. If that is your goal, I think you're going to be disappointed.

[lookitsjb]

All my posts have been direct replies to comments you've made which bring up the Vulak/Zlex issue - so if your intent is to drop that issue, you aren't doing a very good job of it.
I can see that now, yes...

Also, thanks for your concern, but I don't think a forum dedicated to an elf sim is really the place to be solving the issues relating to the mental states of individuals. If that is your goal, I think you're going to be disappointed.
Definitely not trying to resolve anyone's mental state, but more bring to light the toxicity of the community and it's impact on individuals, using this particular thread-opener as a "guiding light".
Is the text that comes after your name in a 20 year old game that's been time locked in current-era for 6+ years really so important, that we cant honestly work together? After this long, hasn't anyone realized that the tag you fly in game isn't permanent, and the people you once competed against will likely be your guildmates once your current guild goes belly up for whatever reason?

[Loke]

Definitely not trying to resolve anyone's mental state, but more bring to light the toxicity of the community and it's impact on individuals, using this particular thread-opener as a "guiding light".
Is the text that comes after your name in a 20 year old game that's been time locked in current-era for 6+ years really so important, that we cant honestly work together? After this long, hasn't anyone realized that the tag you fly in game isn't permanent, and the people you once competed against will likely be your guildmates once your current guild goes belly up for whatever reason?

Some people like the competition. Basically every other EQ server has some form of rotation or cooperation. P99 is unique and largely remained as popular as it has because it is the one server that has traditionally catered to a more hands off competitive raid scene.

As for the toxicity, why is it bad? Are online games not the best place for people to exercise their demons a bit? One of the other games I like to play is Rust, specifically because it is so toxic. When someone fucks me over in Rust I don't assume they're a bad person or lecture them on how we should all play nice - because that is part of what makes the game interesting. It is exactly because these games basically mean nothing in the grand scheme of things that toxicity doesn't matter. No one is actually being materially harmed because we're all bored nerds slinging shit at each other, and it certainly isn't a problem anyone should be devoting any sort of significant time to solving.

[lookitsjb]

Some people like the competition. Basically every other EQ server has some form of rotation or cooperation. P99 is unique and largely remained as popular as it has because it is the one server that has traditionally catered to a more hands off competitive raid scene.

As for the toxicity, why is it bad? Are online games not the best place for people to exercise their demons a bit? One of the other games I like to play is Rust, specifically because it is so toxic. When someone fucks me over in Rust I don't assume they're a bad person or lecture them on how we should all play nice - because that is part of what makes the game interesting. It is exactly because these games basically mean nothing in the grand scheme of things that toxicity doesn't matter. No one is actually being materially harmed because we're all bored nerds slinging shit at each other, and it certainly isn't a problem anyone should be devoting any sort of significant time to solving.

That may work for Rust, but is pretty clear-cut against the rules in P99 EQ. I mean there's literally a rule-set dedicated to "Play Nice". I don't think arguing toxicity is something that's part of this game is applicable here. I'd argue further that toxicity was what lead to 2 guilds being banned, reinforcing that toxicity is not tolerated here.

[Loke]

That may work for Rust, but is pretty clear-cut against the rules in P99 EQ. I mean there's literally a rule-set dedicated to "Play Nice". I don't think arguing toxicity is something that's part of this game is applicable here. I'd argue further that toxicity was what lead to 2 guilds being banned, reinforcing that toxicity is not tolerated here.

There is a middle ground. If you think the server is toxic now, you should have been around in the IB/DA/FE/TMO days... p99 is basically a daycare playground compared to back then.

I'm not advocating for straight up breaking the rules, but talking shit on the forums or discord literally hurts no one, and I would argue makes the server more interesting. Back in the day we used to regularly have like 100+ page RnFs with IB, DA, TMO and spectators from other guilds going back and forth. Now RnF is basically a mixture of General and Off-Topic. I mean, what is the point of even having a RnF forums if Rants and Flames are considered "toxic"?

Most normal, well adjusted people don't take this shit seriously. I can't even count the number of people I've shit on during an issue we're on different sides of, but actually like and get along with. Most of the people who have been raiding here for any significant amount of time have been around long enough that they realize how incestuous the guild factions have become at this point, so while you might argue issues in the moment, holding grudges is pointless.

The issue with this server right now isn't "toxicity", its an unclear and overly burdensome set of rules that enables lawyer questing and requires players the have some sort of encyclopedic knowledge of all the constantly changing ruling precedents.

[greasemonk]

The issue with this server right now isn't "toxicity", its an unclear and overly burdensome set of rules that enables lawyer questing and requires players the have some sort of encyclopedic knowledge of all the constantly changing ruling precedents.

You literally just described the mechanics of Everquest and are surprised that the metagame shifted towards an in-system adjustment towards its end-game.

This mother fucker needs Jesus.

[Loke]

You literally just described the mechanics of Everquest and are surprised that the metagame shifted towards an in-system adjustment towards its end-game.

This mother fucker needs Jesus.

What are you even talking about? Only allowing 2 mages has nothing to do with the mechanics of everquest. Not allowing characters designated as "trackers" get FTE has nothing to do with the mechanics of everquest. Restricting what buffs racers can use (or races themselves) have nothing to do with the mechanics of everquest. limiting the number of mobs a guild can engage at once has nothing to do with the mechanics of everquest. Imaginary lines that only a certain number of players can cross have nothing to do with the mechanics of everquest. restricting where raids are allowed to kill a mob has nothing to do with the mechanics of everquest. I could go on...

Nothing I was talking about has to do with the mechanics, it all has to do with a succession of staff imposed rules that aren't actually updated or compiled in full anywhere that I know of, and seem to change depending on the whim of which particular member of the staff you're dealing with.

You know when the server rules were simple? No-CSR VP, and I'd argue that was also one of the most fun and popular raid eras on this server. Even in classic / kunark, raid petitions where pretty much limited to blatant trains... because there weren't a myriad of esoteric rules people could debate over endlessly.

Want to fix the raid scene? Scrub the rule book clean, enforce things already in the PNP (e.g. no training), and make minor adjustments if/when they arise and are necessary. Continuing to pile new rules onto a system spanning multiple game eras and server staff only adds more fuel to the petition-quest fire.

[Thulian]

Protip: Everyone who has discord installed on their computer has no money in the bank

Hope this helps

[lookitsjb]

Protip: Everyone who has discord installed on their computer has no money in the bank

Hope this helps

Too real. I need you to apologize. The holidays are hard enough as it is...

[LazyHydras]

merry lonely christmas and happy lonely new year

it's a hard time of the year.

[kjs86z]

I'm sure quarterly Fantasy Football rotations will fix the issue.

[Psyborg]

I'm sure quarterly Fantasy Football rotations will fix the issue.

At least we aren't getting the full rotations Riot was pushing for. I can live with 4x per year, though I think we'd be smarter to land them during holiday weeks going forward.

[Legday]

I have no idea what p99 is like these days, but I'm sure its not fun and I'm even more sure that to make ToV fun again you just need to do these 5 things:

Bring back binding in zone
Unroot dragons
Unnerf recharges and cast times for bladestopper etc.
Delete range limitations for agro
Make it no-csr

If you've only been in ToV since *any* of those first 4 things were changed, I promise you we used to have a lot more fun.

Also maybe blow open a wall somewhere and make some custom wing with harder content but that's a heavy lift.

[Fammaden]

I have no idea what p99 is like these days, but I'm sure its not fun and I'm even more sure that to make ToV fun again you just need to do these 5 things:

Bring back binding in zone
Unroot dragons
Unnerf recharges and cast times for bladestopper etc.
Delete range limitations for agro
Make it no-csr

If you've only been in ToV since *any* of those first 4 things were changed, I promise you we used to have a lot more fun.

Also maybe blow open a wall somewhere and make some custom wing with harder content but that's a heavy lift.

Thank you grandpa, time for your nap now.

[Mikebro]

I have no idea what p99 is like these days, but I'm sure its not fun and I'm even more sure that to make ToV fun again you just need to do these 5 things:

Bring back binding in zone
Unroot dragons
Unnerf recharges and cast times for bladestopper etc.
Delete range limitations for agro
Make it no-csr

If you've only been in ToV since *any* of those first 4 things were changed, I promise you we used to have a lot more fun.

Also maybe blow open a wall somewhere and make some custom wing with harder content but that's a heavy lift.

Shut up... just shut the hell up. You had me at unrooted dragons. <3

[Solist]

Just a bump to remind people Kabull made the drusellar camp like 15-18hrs a day long, and is a scumbag.

[Nirgon]

You watch your mouth talkin about Kabull, hes an alphafux.

[Naonak]

Wow, Kabull is famous.

[greasemonk]

Yall kabmotherfuckin need Jesus.