This is "classic," but not that (your favorite "#ButClassic" rulings)

[Castle2.0]

What are your favorite calls on what is classic and what is not?

Here is my current one:


50%+ of the server bind @ firepots even though in classic it was very few

BUT

2-3 people cannot do normal classic quests to grind lots of exp, even though everyone grinded some levels via exp quests in classic



"Quest exp bad. We want people to gain their levels naturally, via killing monsters"

BUT

*leaves in South Karana Bread Quest on Beta for eons as druids/wizards exclusively quest exp grind levels 20-50+*


Both are classic mechanics. Both were used to a greater degree than classic... #ButClassic

What is yours? Feel free to steal the above format.

[kjs86z]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

[Castle2.0]

C'mon kjs86z, ya gotta share your favorite ^_^

[cd288]

Someone seems like they want a vacation

[Scalem]

Another day another new thread from Castle complaining about quest exp.

[Tuljin]

Another day another new thread from Castle complaining about quest exp.

Have yet to see Mannastone anywhere killing mobs higher than level 40, btw

[loramin]

Can we all just accept that Rogean and Nilbog no longer care about classic EverQuest as priority #1 (even though you used to be able to "set your clock" to that fact here) ...

... and just move on and enjoy our deliberately unclassic (but hey, still way more classic than live) free server?

P.S. As an "old timer" here, I do understand the anguish. For ten years this place was run by a version of Nilbog who once promised (prior to the release of Blue, not Green):

- Kunark and Velious, when open, will also be classic material.
(http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29619)

But even if management has changed their priorities in the decade-plus that they've been volunteering their time and effort to run this place, and server firsts now matter more to them than classic EQ ... again, we still get a free server, and it's still better than anything else out there.

The more we complain about the unclasic bits here (which will go back to being classic someday), the more it's just going to bring everyone down, and make us remember that "classic EQ" used to be priority #1 here ... so given the season let's just be thankful for what we have: an amazing, incredible server, where classic EQ is still priority #2.

[sajbert]

Another day another new thread from Castle complaining about quest exp.

before that it was /list camps and how /list until someone dies (because it fits Castle's obessive playstyle) was the only good way to go about it

before that it was manastone, manastone, manastone.

[BiG SiP]

Can we all just accept that Rogean and Nilbog no longer care

https://i.imgur.com/OaigDBm.gif

[Castle2.0]

Server is exquisite, no doubt.

I think people genuinely enjoy some of the non-classic changes, no doubt.

I also think people get boggled about classic v unclassic. Forums are an avenue for people to discuss.

This isn't a thread about quest exp specifically - just a related idea.

Feel free to share your own instead of derailing thread.x

cd28, I'm on vacation. I haven't had to go into an office (that wasn't a client's) for 10+ years.

Fooljin, I haven't seen any of your guys anywhere, so I don't know where you've been seeing me ;)

Sagbert, WTS manastone 300k

Ok, now back on topic. Favorite #ButClassic.

[loramin]

Feel free to share your own instead of derailing thread.x

In case it wasn't clear, the derailment is intentional.

Look, we're all playing a game with no quest XP. We all, every single day, see the contradiction between that, and a decade of R&N quotes (not to mention the graphic in the upper-left corner here).

What I'm saying is, at this exact moment when we're all smarting from classic EQ being deprioritized ... it doesn't do anyone any good to keep harping on it. Yes, there's some hypocrisy now; before when people used to bitch about the unclassic bits here, I'd refer them to http://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic%20Compendium, and explain how the staff couldn't help but make that bit unclassic. Now I can't.

We can't change that fact. But we can stop going around and around in circles about it. The devs will fix priority #2 (classic EQ) after they fix priority #1 (whatever mattered more to them than classic EQ). That day will come ... and until then I don't see the value in dwelling on and publically lamenting it.

[Castle2.0]

Alright loramin, we'll have to give your seat in the thread to someone else. Thanks for stopping by.

[Seducio]

Loramin is right.

[BarnabusCollins]

Nerfing seafuries is NOT classic.
South Ro AC spawning at 9pm only is NOT classic.
Felia Goldenwing spawning under the surface every time for 11 years is NOT classic.
The rediculous sit agro that comes with Everquest Titanium is NOT classic.
People account sharing for 150 hours and clicking "OK" 600 times in a row is NOT classic.

[Seducio]

People playing EQ for free

Not Classic.

And Awesome.

[Castle2.0]

People playing EQ for free

Not Classic.

And Awesome. I would 100% support Devs working out a deal with GameBreak Entertainment or whoever owns EQ, and getting us on subs for accounts. My only concern is they would put silly crap in like the store and ruin it all.

[Tunabros]

they do it for the money

[BarnabusCollins]

I would 100% support it staying exactly like it is. If it aint broke...

Who gives a shit about what matches up with 2 decades ago, I dont.

[Cen]

My bread quest video from blue really made it explode to where they had to change it even beyond classic nerfs. People found ways to get from 14-60 in a day when the pulling to zone thing happened nobody did that in classic lol

[Fammaden]

I would 100% support it staying exactly like it is. If it aint broke...

Who gives a shit about what matches up with 2 decades ago, I dont.

Turning in quests should result in negative xp to offset the faction and coin gains.

[BarnabusCollins]

People playing EQ for free

Not Classic.

And Awesome.

This guy gets it. You will NEVER find another emulator that polices boxing and RMT and KSing like p99.
We got it as good as it gets.

[Balimon]

You will NEVER find another emulator that polices boxing and RMT and KSing like p99.
We got it as good as it gets.

[Gustoo]

My peeve classic / not classic is that Red 99 had NO duck to cancel casting since the beginning, because of classic, but it has persisted, because of ???

And NO duck to cancel casting was never added to blue, despite being a classic feature.

That one really bummed me out.

P99 rules though, no question there.

[BiG SiP]

https://i.imgur.com/uapB9F5.gif?noredirect

[Tunabros]

This guy gets it. You will NEVER find another emulator that polices boxing and RMT and KSing like p99.
We got it as good as it gets.

[Baler]

This guy gets it. You will NEVER find another emulator that polices boxing and RMT and KSing like p99.
We got it as good as it gets.

[Lizard1]

Should be called the Wing server, they been winging shit since day 1

[Noselacri]

Can we do least favorite?

Are lifetaps still limited to mobs 5 levels above you, even though they shouldn't be? If so, that one. Ruining an entire class in raids just to nerf one gimmicky item.

[douglas1999]

In classic, I finished my druid epic by simply asking people from three different raid guilds if they would band together to help me kill the spawned version of feydedar. They somehow all agreed, for no compensation. I got my druid epic while being in a casual guild that could never in a million years finish an epic on their own.

There's no way in hell that could ever happen here, unless you can cough up 30-50k depending on the epic being done. This is highly unclassic and frankly they should implement changes to make players be nice to me like they were in 2001.

[adruidarkly]

Didn't read shite here, but the most unclassic part of p99 is the players. its our own fault shits like this cause you all cant self regulate.

[Graahle]

None of you ancient losers actually want 100% classic.

[Baler]

None of you ancient losers actually want 100% classic.

I want pure 1:1 classic. spawns, quests, mechanics, exploits, client and net speeds. Everything exactly how it was per each era. I want 1:1 era accuracy. Really, relive the 1999-2001 everquest years.

It's a dream though, P99 is the closest & best thing available.

[Graahle]

I want pure 1:1 classic. spawns, quests, mechanics, exploits, client and net speeds. Everything exactly how it was per each era. I want 1:1 era accuracy. Really, relive the 1999-2001 everquest years.

It's a dream though, P99 is the closest & best thing available.

Tbh it's 2020 and this server is over 10+ years old on it's own and most of you have been here for at least half that time. It's time to let it go and just accept what you get.

Meanwhile, life is much more relaxed on Aradune.

[mcoy]

I want pure 1:1 classic. spawns, quests, mechanics, exploits, client and net speeds. Everything exactly how it was per each era. I want 1:1 era accuracy. Really, relive the 1999-2001 everquest years.

It's a dream though, P99 is the closest & best thing available.

Bolt type spells should hit mobs on hills twice! I wish I knew about /log in those early days...

-Mcoy

[Old_PVP]

I would 100% support Devs working out a deal with GameBreak Entertainment or whoever owns EQ, and getting us on subs for accounts. My only concern is they would put silly crap in like the store and ruin it all.

I would not pay one dime for this old ass game. The biggest draw to P99 is that it's free.

There are many things not classic on P99... the biggest and most glaring is the ugly Titanium UI and the ability for people to use custom UIs. Item linking; another big one. Basically any type of "Quality of life" mechanic wasn't classic.

[pivo]

I don't care if it is classic.

I do care P99 server is up and available to us ;)

[Jimjam]

My bread quest video from blue really made it explode to where they had to change it even beyond classic nerfs. People found ways to get from 14-60 in a day when the pulling to zone thing happened nobody did that in classic lol

This is the biggest unclassic thing to me.

It’s the mentality of the player base. We’ve gone from a player base of ‘I’m going on an adventure!’ Bilbos to a bunch of Saurons intent on domination.

On live the highpass orcs and gnolls were a popular place to level. In Lake of Ill Omen you’d get teenage iksar mixing with fresh off boat young elves on the beaches and at the fort. Here it is just level 50 pet casters farming clickies.

It’s a race to the top to horde pixels which misses out on adventure.

[Scratch&Sniff]

Not being able to change in game brightness levels is fucking asinine when you add /list and 1000 other non classic things

[GinnasP99]

cancel magic

[Gorster]

This is the biggest unclassic thing to me.

It’s the mentality of the player base. We’ve gone from a player base of ‘I’m going on an adventure!’ Bilbos to a bunch of Saurons intent on domination.

On live the highpass orcs and gnolls were a popular place to level. In Lake of Ill Omen you’d get teenage iksar mixing with fresh off boat young elves on the beaches and at the fort. Here it is just level 50 pet casters farming clickies.

It’s a race to the top to horde pixels which misses out on adventure.

[Dolalin]

This is the biggest unclassic thing to me.

It’s the mentality of the player base. We’ve gone from a player base of ‘I’m going on an adventure!’ Bilbos to a bunch of Saurons intent on domination.

On live the highpass orcs and gnolls were a popular place to level. In Lake of Ill Omen you’d get teenage iksar mixing with fresh off boat young elves on the beaches and at the fort. Here it is just level 50 pet casters farming clickies.

It’s a race to the top to horde pixels which misses out on adventure.

Fun fact, the reason LOIO was so popular back in the day was that for quite a long time it mistakenly had a ZEM of 100 when the only other zones to have that were Kedge and maybe some city zones. IE, it was an outdoor zone with a 33% xp bonus, unique in EQ.

People kept going there even after it was nerfed to 75, and then much later nerfed again down to 60.

(Historical details are in my big ZEM thread in the bug forums)

[Jimjam]

I don’t think it was a mistake, even if it was not officially sanctioned. It is the first natural meeting point for the ‘good team’ and the ‘iksar team’. It was right to incentivise players to come here both for the role play opportunities and of course to invest in the new expansion!

[chowdah555]

There are many things not classic on P99... the biggest and most glaring is the ugly Titanium UI and the ability for people to use custom UIs. Item linking; another big one. Basically any type of "Quality of life" mechanic wasn't classic.

This is true the way it's sort of selective. Even things like being able to Ctrl click and item or shift click a stack weren't added until later. Crafting was horrible to skill up!

[BiG SiP]

i still don’t know shit and die constantly

[Fammaden]

tem linking; another big one.

You shouldn't even be able to see what group members have looted much less see it as a link.

[cd288]

Fun fact, the reason LOIO was so popular back in the day was that for quite a long time it mistakenly had a ZEM of 100 when the only other zones to have that were Kedge and maybe some city zones. IE, it was an outdoor zone with a 33% xp bonus, unique in EQ.

People kept going there even after it was nerfed to 75, and then much later nerfed again down to 60.

(Historical details are in my big ZEM thread in the bug forums)

This wasn’t why it was popular though. It’s a phenomenal leveling zone with tons of content and close by FV for binding, banking, and vendoring for the good races.

[Daldaen]

Can we get some screenshots of banks/inventories of people who hoarded EXP quest pieces but haven't gotten to use them yet?

I'd love to see these collections.

[cd288]

Can we get some screenshots of banks/inventories of people who hoarded EXP quest pieces but haven't gotten to use them yet?

I'd love to see these collections.

It's really just Castle 2.0 with his million Gnoll scrolls on alts

[OuterChimp]

I'm just glad we don't have the luclin player models!

[Castle2.0]

It's really just Castle 2.0 with his million Gnoll scrolls on alts

Only gnoll scrolls? Only me?

Sorry pal, you don't have the full story. You must only watch Elf News Network. Freaking pro-wood elf propaganda BS rotting your brain and denying you the full story :cool:

[Xandria]

Dont get me wrong here i want quest xp tuned back on and all but....

Biggest non classic thing ??

Castle pestering some one to help him with hundreds of transfers of plat and or items to hundreds of accounts......

you know since boxing is not allowed and you couldn't have transferred the items to your alts by yourself.....

[Castle2.0]

Drop traded the majority. Not telling you my spots. They got spotted later anyway and I had to call in the wife. Tough call, but since we decided to have Tomagotchi style children in the form of elf alts she concurred, since I'd be building up the family name to run for political office in Norrath later, or at least have a level 60 to farm the far corners of elfdom.

Not like I am doing laundry for a month to pay her back or anything. I'm too cool for that 8)

[Ananka]

Not to slightly get off topic but the one non classic feature I'd like to see added is /melody. I'm about to start my second bard even though Carpal Tunnel wrecked me by 2002. Classic everything for me except please give us /melody.

Mighty Isis protect my hands!

[Tigris67]

*Raises hand* I just want me pets to not evaporate whilst crossing zone lines... >.>

[kaev]

This is the biggest unclassic thing to me.

It’s the mentality of the player base. We’ve gone from a player base of ‘I’m going on an adventure!’ Bilbos to a bunch of Saurons intent on domination.

On live the highpass orcs and gnolls were a popular place to level. In Lake of Ill Omen you’d get teenage iksar mixing with fresh off boat young elves on the beaches and at the fort. Here it is just level 50 pet casters farming clickies.

It’s a race to the top to horde pixels which misses out on adventure.

Amen Brother! Preach it to all these cheap-assed semi-employed 40-something nerdboys making this awesome free server 1000x shittier than it needs to be!

[7thGate]

...does anyone else remember tradeskill bags eating everything in them if you accidentally hit "combine" when full of non-tradeskill stuff or just the wrong items for a recipe? I'm about 50% sure I did that with a jeweler's kit back in early live. If I'm remembering correctly, I'm really happy that's not a thing here.

Also, I remember accidentally hitting 'a' on live my first time playing since I didn't hit enter before trying to talk to an NPC in erudin and getting destroyed. That's probably just a client thing, but I don't miss that kind of thing at all.

[Castle2.0]

...does anyone else remember tradeskill bags eating everything in them if you accidentally hit "combine" when full of non-tradeskill stuff or just the wrong items for a recipe? I'm about 50% sure I did that with a jeweler's kit back in early live. If I'm remembering correctly, I'm really happy that's not a thing here.

Also, I remember accidentally hitting 'a' on live my first time playing since I didn't hit enter before trying to talk to an NPC in erudin and getting destroyed. That's probably just a client thing, but I don't miss that kind of thing at all.

Yes, TS containers eat everything inside when you click combine. After that it checks if it's going to make something or not.

Yes, 'a' is still default auto attack. I never grew out of it so I left it 'a' :)

[Daldaen]

So how many quest items does the person making all of these posts have stored away? And what level did they obtain once they were able to turn them all in?

[7thGate]

Based on some investigations I helped someone do, I think we estimated you need approximately ~1200 gnoll scrolls to go from 51 to 60. There were some other quests that had potential too though, Gnoll Scrolls were just the obvious one that I would have expected a lot of people to do to some extent (though, probably not too many people with a full 51->60 block). Castle's been dropping hints that his approach may not just be gnoll scrolls, so kind of curious to see what he ends up doing.

[jadier]

This is the biggest unclassic thing to me.

It’s the mentality of the player base. We’ve gone from a player base of ‘I’m going on an adventure!’ Bilbos to a bunch of Saurons intent on domination.

On live the highpass orcs and gnolls were a popular place to level. In Lake of Ill Omen you’d get teenage iksar mixing with fresh off boat young elves on the beaches and at the fort. Here it is just level 50 pet casters farming clickies.

It’s a race to the top to horde pixels which misses out on adventure.

Now that we've all lived through the month (and counting) experiment of "No Quest XP", I wouldn't mind a month of "randomized ZEM + trivial loot code in all zones". I'm curious what it would do.

[Castle2.0]

So how many quest items does the person making all of these posts have stored away? And what level did they obtain once they were able to turn them all in?

Many people are making posts. Many people are making threads. This is a grassroots movement.

Stay tuned.

[Gustoo]

I think on the next project 1999 timeline server, it should be level locked for a given period of time.

I think it should also not have any legacy drops or bind points. They are either in the game fully, or not in the game.

So for first 2 weeks, level 10 max. For next month, level 20 max. For next Month, level 30 max, for next two months, level 40 max, then open.

Then there is no rat race to the top, and no rat race to get limited edition pixels.

Still going to have long poopsock lines for items like fungi but at least all the manic insanity for manastones and DE masks and bind clickies and stuff can go away and more people can focus on adventuring like they used to, instead of attaining little have/havenot trinkets.

Project 1999 PVE CASUAL once blue and green are integrated and after red 2.0, which I think should have the same server rules.


The reason I say this is because we can't replicate classic when in reality half the players are trying to replicate a previously never before attempted PERFECT play through where they hit all the high points.

DE mask, Lustrous Russet, Guise, Bind items from Kunark + bound at firepots, + +

These all take a lot of grinding and a lot of poopsocking when half of the server wants to hit these special secret knowledge places.

Manastones would be only attained via casino lottery like on LIVE, which keeps inflation from happening, and extra rare drop from the mob itself?

I dunno about guises, maybe the same thing. Rare drop, and casino lottery.

P99 has already done a lot to try to force classic life on the server and after green99 launch we know that we can't have a classic feeling launch anymore. People taking single spawn level 1 mobs because of over crowding is hardcore insane.

[Kaaji1359]

So how many quest items does the person making all of these posts have stored away? And what level did they obtain once they were able to turn them all in?

I can't speak for everyone but most of these posts, including mine, seem to be from people who have maybe 50 CB belts, or 50 LS/GLS, etc., waiting to turn-in at the quest giver. It might give me 1 level, maybe 2 if I'm lucky (that Ranger exp penalty is real). Nothing significant, just trying to play the game as it was intended.

Now lots of us are stuck in a limbo of: do I wait longer and play an alt in the meantime even though I really want to play my main character, or do I run all the way back to the bank to re-organize everything (again) just so I can start playing my main again? Running back on my Ranger without SoW from the gypsy camp all the way to Qeynos isn't trivial, and it would be annoying to do that just to have the Devs turn back on quest exp.

[Castle2.0]

I can't speak for everyone but most of these posts, including mine, seem to be from people who have maybe 50 CB belts, or 50 LS/GLS, etc., waiting to turn-in at the quest giver. It might give me 1 level, maybe 2 if I'm lucky (that Ranger exp penalty is real). Nothing significant, just trying to play the game as it was intended.

Now lots of us are stuck in a limbo of: do I wait longer and play an alt in the meantime even though I really want to play my main character, or do I run all the way back to the bank to re-organize everything (again) just so I can start playing my main again? Running back on my Ranger without SoW from the gypsy camp all the way to Qeynos isn't trivial, and it would be annoying to do that just to have the Devs turn back on quest exp.

If you're committed to playing by the rules and are doing "nothing significant" you should be okay, but be careful if you play by the rules and try to do do "something significant."

I say double down. Got 50 GLS? Go make it 100. Got 1200 scrolls, go make it 2400. Let's go!!!

[Kaaji1359]

If you're committed to playing by the rules and are doing "nothing significant" you should be okay, but be careful if you play by the rules and try to do do "something significant."

I say double down. Got 50 GLS? Go make it 100. Got 1200 scrolls, go make it 2400. Let's go!!!

How? I have no bank space and no inventory space left.

[Castle2.0]

How? I have no bank space and no inventory space left.

Bummer, well I guess I can't help you then. I wish there was a way to get more bank/invo space or more banks/invos.